/vr/ - Retro Games

To this day I still think the Master System outzelda'd Nintendo with Golden Axe Warrior and...

... Goelvelius

Golden Axe warrior's overworld was massive too

Phantasy Star was the shit

the tunes on this bad boy, classic

My earliest memories of video gaming are Super Mario Bros. on NES and R-Type on the Sega Master System.

>Implying you could jump that gap in Stage 4-3 without the levitation jutsu.

This and Alex Kidd in Shinobi World were my most played games as a kid.

I like Wonder Boy.

I also think Miracle Warriors is cool.

I loved the Master System. Played Ultima for the first time on it as a young 'un.

>>1889754
So many hours spent on Miracle Warriors and drawing up a map of the overworld on makeshift graph paper

Sega had the best California Games, too bad they fucked up the 16 bit version

Just bought this on amazon. The guy said no manual, but it has a case. I hope its the actual case and not a replacement.

I don't really care about CiB games, but master system games are just something I want in the box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlSo4q6-9Zw

As a person who has a Saturn, Dremacast, and getting a Genesis+Sega CD.

Sell me on the Master System.

>>1889801
i fucking love this game. The last boss is fap material

Are there any worthwhile card games on the master system?

By card I mean they came on the plastic carts instead of the carts

>>1889991
That's not particularly easy.

The Master System is a very capable system, but it doesn't have a lot of worthwhile games on it.

You'd realy be best off buying a Power Base Converter, but then your Genesis choices would be limited to the Genesis 1 or the CDX.

>>1889991
>>1890462
Read the thread, all games that have been posted are worthwhile. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

>>1889768
The copy my father bought arrived without the manual with the story, the spells and no cloth map.
Fucking bullshit, let me tell you.

Why was the Master System so popular in Brazil?

>>1890506
Local electronics company had a contract with Sega and did a decent job of advertising and distributing their products.
Nintendo had never officially distributed the NES there, too, but NES clones were very popular too.

Didn't something similar happen in Australia?

>>1889594
>>1889579
It really is a good game. Such a shame that most people will just dismiss it for being a Zelda clone

>>1890512
>Didn't something similar happen in Australia?
The were both openly available, but I think the marketing push in stores was bigger with sega perhaps. I was too young to remember. Might have been just cheaper option...

It was a pretty even split between NES and SMS and owners between kids at my school

don't buy your master system from good will

>>1890587
>that price
why

>>1890592
Victor, NY Goodwill, not even once.

>>1890587
Are you sure that was the real price? Everything I've bought from Goodwill that didn't have the price indicated on a nearby sign (like books, albums, cds) has had the price hand written on a tag that's taped to the item, and there's never a UPC code.

>>1890587
>>1890615

Goodwill's are supposed to have a set price on items of certain kinds, they just go and label something because they feel like it.

The Salvation Army is different, though.

This is my understanding from connections I had in my area.

Enduro, man. What a game. Way better than Excite Bike. Wish it was longer, though.

>>1890615
yes, i asked if it was really 400 bucks

when she confirmed it i laughed so loud the whole store was looking at me.

i offered fifty bucks then walked out

>>1890587

>>1890821
please please please tell me you work at goodwill and were having a giggle m8

>>1890821
mfw them prices

What are some good Master System games?

TOo bad the NA Master System never got that FM Syth add on

>>1893794
not missing out on much honestly the PCM music is a lot better in some games. Wonderboy in Monster Lands PCM soundtrack is way more enjoyable than FM.

>>1893789
Wonderboy in Monsterland
Wonderboy 3
The Ninja
Shinobi
Golden Axe Warrior
Master of Darkness
Ninja Gaiden
Alex Kidd in Shinobi World
Alex Kidd in Miracle World

If you're into Ikari Warriors/Commando style games I really enjoy Rambo and Time Soldiers.

>>1893794
The weird thing is that some U.S.-exclusive games like Rastan Saga and Dragon's Trap.

>>1893804
And Rampage

>>1893804
Rastan Sagas PCM soundtrack is better anyway

>>1893803
>Sega Master System
>PCM

>tfw BR BR HUE
>Never had a master system

>>1893894
He means PSG, at least help him out instead of being a butt.

>>1893897
HOW?

>>1893914
NINTENDO KID

Used to rent SNES and later N64 games every weekend

Didn't even have a Mega Drive

>>1893898
yes that's what I meant, thanks for correcting that. I know PSG is programmable sound generator right? I have no idea what PCM is actually.

>>1893927
Pulse Code Modulation, basically sampled wave files. SNES used those.

Just look at that sexy beast...

>>1893934
ahhh thanks.

Picked up The Terminator and Wonderboy the other day at an op shop. Mint condition CIB for $5 each so was pretty happy. Actually whipped out the ol' MS for the first time this year.

Anyone else think the SMS port of Ultima IV is not only great but also the definitive version?

>>1890462
>it doesn't have a lot of worthwhile games on it

Are you out of your everloving mind?

> Be 5 year old me in the mid 90's.
> First gaming experiences was Sonic 1 and Fantasy Zone 1 on a model 2 Master System, plus some other games I forgot.
> Eventually we get a late 90's powerhouse PC and I move to PC gaming, and later on to the PS2.
> Master system disappears, along with a broken atari 2600.
> Didn't even know Mario existed till I was about 10, most people I knew didn't have Nintendo consoles aside from handhelds with Pokeman.
> Mostly forget about the Master System for ages, except for Sonic because hes fucking Sonic.
> Be me now at age 15. get into emulation, mainly Super Nintendo games.
> Move to Genesis/Mega Drive games, can't really get into them aside from the sonic games.
> Remember some weird game about a blue space ship shooting things, but I forgot which console it was on.
> Can't remember it's real or not.
> Download Some more ROMs.
> "Hmm, Fantasy Zone, that sounds familiar..."
> Load up game on SMS emulator.
> Holy Shit
> It's that fucking game
> MFW I hear that music again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcqJGwH8lBY

If the buying scene wasn't so shit everywhere I would totally start a Master System collection. I know they sold reasonably well in Australia so I might get lucky one day.

I find it a bit funny how I can't really get into the NES but love master System games, yet I love SNES games but can't really get into the Mega Drive. Doesn't matter now anyway because Sega doesn't make consoles and I'm a bit of Playstation fanboy these days. [spoilers]I'm probably getting a Wii U before I get a PS4 tho.[/spoilers]

Also as an OG Sonic fan it's hard seeing him fall to the depths of autism he has. R.I.P my little blue buddy. Did the SMS Sonic games come first or the Mega Drive ones? I don't remember seeing the Mega Drive versions anywhere.

Anyway heres more music I find nostalgic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOZZHxiJrGc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAZoROzFTjs

>>1894145
I'm 21 now btw. kinda made myself sound younger than I am :v

>>1894152
Are you sure youre not 12 years old

Zillion is still my favorite game to this day.

>>1894307

Never played it but it looks a lot like Impossible Mission. Is it?

>>1889991
It is incredibly comfy.
Has a nice controller (the original red/black one)
Has the best Alex Kidd games.
Is the famicon of sega, completely worth a shot.

alex kidd in the miracle world is way better than mario

>>1893926
>having a nintendo in brazil

fool
tectoy support for the master system was amazing, we never had (and never will again) such good structure for our local gaming like that

i still have my ayrton senna gp cartdrige with senna's mumbled voice, maybe it's really valuable today? not that im intending to sell

>>1894873
But Nintendo games were better.

To be honest, Tectoy wasn't strong here where I live (the south). The SNES was much more common.

>>1889738
I would always have to get that flying powerup on the bonus stage after 2-2. If I failed then I had to reset. Fuck that jump.

>>1889738
I find it funny how the Alex Kidd in Shinobi World cover art spoofed the Japanese Shinobi art, when the game wasn't even released there.

>>1894873
what did tectoy do to market the master system so well?

because honestly the NES library is so much better it kind of baffles me that the master system got a foothold anywhere

>>1896782
First off, your post comes out as really arrogant. Second, TecToy had a pretty active development studio which used to spit out br-only titles like crazy to meet the target. Total free-reign from SEGA.

>>1894317

Yeah, sort of. It's like Impossible Mission + Metroid. You rescue 2 other characters and can switch between them as you progress through the enemy base. There's gun upgrades, infrared goggle upgrades to see tripwires, and all sorts of awesome shit.

>>1896782
First, excellent support. Good prices. It was viable having a Master System, you could always find the games and if anything went wrong they would help you ASAP. Nintendo never gave a crap about here and either you imported the console and the games or you'd buy them really expensive, without having 5% of the "so much better" NES library you talk about and if your NES got broken or something? tough luck pal, you wish you had a Master System now huh?

TecToy also developed games and gave people a reason to make games. They actively contributed to gaming in brazil, not only to expand the market but to spark some interesting about us making our own games too. If Brazil has a small, niche scene of game developers today, it's because tectoy helped or everyone would be, dunno, playing soccer or something.We had tons of TecToy games in PORTUGUESE (they also translated all the major Master System games to portuguese too - i still have my portuguese Phantasy Star cartdrige here) and some of them were really fun, and they were cheap and viable to get. NES kids had 4, 5 games at most usually. Master System kids had 20+.

This is one of the saddest things about SEGA dying, to me. SEGA had this whole wider picture about the world and gaming, not just treating the world as Japan and USA only. Maybe that's why they died in the end, but it was cool while it lasted.

>>1889991
It pretty cheap.
Colorful graphics.
Sturdy as fuck.
Worldwide released games play fine on both NTSC&PAL.
Game library is rather small but that makes it easy to have every good game released.

Really loved the Master System, it was my first console. Played a lot of Monica (a modification of the Wonderboy games), Alex Kidd and Sonic.

Two of my favorite pieces of music are from MS games.
Black Belt boss theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMx0PnNQwg0
Sonic 1 - Scrap Brain Zone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSUZZXGbipc
(This theme is completely different from the 16-bit Scrap Brain Zone).

The developers must have loved it too, since the Bridge Zone theme appears on Sonic Generations too.

>>1889573
I had a Master System II as my first ever console when I was about 3 years old. I remember playing Alex Kidd, Sonic the Hedgehog, some football games and a racing game. One thing I thought was amazing about this console is that it had a game built into it, good on Sega for doing that.

Although after about a year or so of playing it, it started to spas out whenever I wanted to play a game and just refused to work anymore.

Why would anyone have a master system when NES were so, so much better? Jesus.

>>1897385

I had both. Always prefered the SMS.

I still rate the Master System version of Sonic as one of the best games in the series, and a classic performer in it's own right. Sonic 2 less so, thanks to the screwed up difficulty curve.

I didn't experience most of the gems on the system until the 16bit days as I'm a brit and it was all 8bit micros in the early days here, but the idea that there was nothing to compete with the NES seems to be a peculiarly American one. Probably because lack of support many you didn't get a lot of the latter library.

>>1897387
Impossible. The SMS had what, 5 good games at its best? NES had that amount of good games released every six months or less. When you finished your two favourite and truly good games at the SMS what would you play? Them again? That's not enjoyable.

My cousin use to have a Master System which we played sometimes when I came over years ago. We played Sonic 2 and Alex Kidd a bunch. It was pretty sweet.

>>1897418
Entirely possible. The SMS had much more than 5 good games. But I assume you're in America so you didn't get as much good games over there as we did in Europe, which sucks.

Some games which make the SMS more enjoyable for me than the NES:

Shinobi
Wonder Boy 2 & 3
California Games
Zillion 1 & 2
Alex Kidd
Golden Axe Warrior
Phantasy Star
Phantasy Zone
Penguin
Space Harrier
Choplifter
Asterix
R-Type
Ghouls 'n Ghosts

>>1897436
You're right about the 'murrica thing.

I had most of those games in my NES, better versions even (and that's not me saying that, just look around in the internet). Also, did you really liked Space Harrier? Honest question.

>>1897516
Which of these games had an NES port except for California Games (which sucks on the NES)?

>did you really liked Space Harrier

Yeah, I did.

>>1897529
Shinobi did, but it was shit on the NES. Wasn't a fan of the SMS version either but the NES version was shittier.

>>1897542
Space Harrier also came out on the Famicom, not sure about the nes. It too was a terrible port.

>>1897529
Fantasy Zone, California Games, Shinobi, Choplifter, and Space Harrier were all on NES. Most of them were better on the Sega but the first version of Fantasy Zone was just as good as the Sega version. There was a Tengen version released later that I remember hearing was dreadful.

>>1897516
>I had most of those games in my NES, better versions even

Rule of thumb: If there is both, a NES and a Sega port, the Sega port is always superior.

>>1898503
>SMS Double Dragon
>Superior to the NES version
Thanks for the laugh, anon

>>1898505
What are you even talking about. NES Double Dragon was horseshit.

>>1898503
Does it really matter in the age of MAME

>>1898506
Why? Cause it didn't had 2P co-op? At least the combat mechanics and hit detection work, unlike the SMS version.

>>1890462
Theres a new variety of the power base converter on stoneagegamer that looks more like a cartridge... Also if you have a mega everdrive it plays master system roms without the converter.

>>1897385
At least in Brazil, we had something called "Market Reserve" (don't know the exact term in English), meaning we couldn't import quite a lot of things, including electronics and computers. So they've gone two ways:
- Imported/Smuggled the individual pieces, assembled NES clones and sold them by another name. The most famous here was the Phantom System.
- Tec Toy bought the Master System officially. Although that was a little after the market reserve ended.

>>1897436
To add to this list:
Black Belt
Vigilante
Sagaia
Enduro Racer
Kenseiden
Machinegun Joe

There's a video of Adam Koralik visiting a UK retro games shop and being stunned by the sheer number of European SMS games. Third party support thrived in Europe. The SMS even got ports of Amiga games such as Populous and Speedball.

The SMS used the Z80 processor, the same as the Spectrum, which British programmers were very familiar with.
The result of this was some pretty damn amazing games.

The SMS has a ton of great games, and some hugely underrated gems such as Penguin Land.

The SMS versions of Choplifter, California Games, Penguin Land, Spy Vs Spy, R-Type, Ultima IV, Ys, Ninja Gaiden, Shanghai, Rampage, Gauntlet, Populous, Speedball, PacMania, Impossible Mission, Golden Axe are all superb and in many cases the definitive versions.

>>1897572
California Games, Penguin Land, Rampage, Choplifter, Spy Vs Spy...all pissed on the NES versions from a great height.

Fantasy Zone 2 I seriously doubt the NES could handle. The later levels are batshit insane.

Also, the SMS was in many cases rather accomplished at 16-bit ports. Road Rash on the Master System is fucking amazing, and Populous has 10x more levels.

>>1898587
>Vigilante
I'm not sure how anyone could enjoy the SMS version. Hit detection was fucked up in that version and the control changes were completely unnecessary.

>>1898913
>Fantasy Zone 2 I seriously doubt the NES could handle. The later levels are batshit insane.
You said nothing about the Famicom. :p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVP9mRBzEQo

>>1898931
>those colors
The nes is so fucking weak, it's a shame the SMS never took off in the US.

>>1898935
Aside from the color display, I was never convinced by the argument that the SMS was more powerful than the NES. They seemed pretty on-par to me.

>>1898883
>in many cases the definitive versions
Yeah? Go on...

>>1898938
Just look at the specs, the difference is really clear. This site does a comparison http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/sega-master-system-vs-nintendo-entertainment-system

>>1898945
The master system really is more advanced technically, but I don't know of many games that really demonstrate that

Wonderboy 3 is best game on the console.

It rivals the likes of Megaman for how well it has stood the test of time, and is everything Zelda 2 should have been.

The music is good, the colours are bright, and the bosses are big and varied.

10/10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2YbwIuhv0E

>>1899092
Man, that brings back memories. When I hear that, I imagine those octopus enemies jumping up and down.

Wonderboy 3 came to Brazil as Monica's Gang: The Rescue. Instead of changing forms like in the original WB3, you changed characters.

>>1899092
>how well it has stood the test of time

It really did. I'm amazed how much fun the game after all these years still is. Basically everyone who likes Metroid-esque games should give it a try.

Trying to find a game. Very vague...

Top down fantasy RPG, can seem to remember something about clouds, or being in the clouds. You can upgrade your weapons and armour and is incredibly hard. You step out of town and there are enemies moving about (blobs? slimes?) which pretty much insta kill you. I seem to remember alot of white and blue colour schemes.

Not really holding up much hope, as I've looked through every game screenshot and cant find it.

>>1902252
>rpg
>master system

you sure?

>>1902252
There aren't many RPG's on the system. It'll have to be one of these.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/search/index.html?platform=49&game=&contrib=0&rating=0&genre=48&region=0&date=0&developer=&publisher=&dist=0&sort=0&link=0&res=0&title=0&adv=1

>>1889579
It's much easier to surpass a game that was released several years earlier when every single concept is spelled out and designed for you.

>>1890526
>shame that most people will just dismiss it for being a Zelda clone
Agreed, but that's exactly what it is, and people are free to judge it by that alone if they want.

>>1903825
>Agreed, but that's exactly what it is, and people are free to judge it by that alone if they want.

And I'm not saying it isn't a Zelda Clone, that's quite exactly what it is. All I'm saying is, it's still a really good game, even if on a surface level seems like a shameless rip-off.

I played this hands-on once as a child. In the house of three welfare living future drug dealer convict kids I was neighborhood 'friends' with. They eventually 'borrowed' a few of my NES games....I 'accidently' threw this piece of shit out the window. I got jumped for that a few days later but you motherfucking right I got my copy of Who Framed Roger Rabbit back.

>>1889605
It still is. I emulated it expecting nothing and enjoyed the shit out of it.

>>1902252

Golvellius?

>>1894307
>that fucking manual requirement
Thank fucking god my copy was CIB.

>>1899092
So much agreed, but i have to make a note...
I've stressed one of my friends about this game being very good so he eventually tried it(he loves retro games and grew up with them just like me, but never had a SMS), and i watched him playing it...

He made some comments while playing it that made me think a bit..he said the levels are boring as they're nothing more than long, repetitive corridors with enemies, without any real interaction with the levels.
He also said the game punishes the player too much as it sends the player to the main town everytime you die, forcing you to do over and over the same boring levels(this is more noticeable when dying near the end of a level).
Plus, he couldnt buy the shogun lamellar at the shop due to low MP and few charm stones, and when he had enough of both, it was impossible for him to go back to the store due to being in piranha form. This made the volcano level extremely hard, to the point he decided to quit and never play itagain.
His final words were something like "it's basically Zelda 2, it offers nothing more except for more pleasing visuals and concept".
I never played Zelda 2 so i wouldnt know, but still.
Out of curiosity, i took the last save file he had(volcano level with no shogun lamellar), and i have to admit it was pretty tedious and boring to grind for money and generally progress from that point.

Now i wonder...is this game actually a very good game? Or is it just us having some huge nostalgia goggles for it?
Watching him playing it, I honestly cant say he's completely wrong with his comments.

Sold pretty well in the UK, a couple of friends had one. I remember some good times of us all sitting round playing Olympic Gold

Getting a Master System on wendsday with Phantasy Star.

Not getting a good price though, but oh-well. Paying $60 for the console and $20 for the game.

Two controllers, but neither are the gun. The Master System has a pre-installed game that uses the gun, right?

>>1905362
>The Master System has a pre-installed game that uses the gun, right?

Either Alex Kidd or Hang-On though I heard there are some later models with Sonic.

>>1905362
Mine has a maze game with a snail.

>>1904851
I never played this game or even heard of it as a child, I downloaded it on wiiVC one day on a whim and fell in love with it. I think it is safe to say your friend is an idiot just looking for reasons to bitch probably because its a sega game. The levels do have more interaction in them if he actually made it past the first level, like the dumbass didn't think anything of having to use the roof and floor in the mouseman dungeon (see he's just looking for shit to bitch about). I never once had to grind for cash to buy gear and never had problems buying gear. I think its safe to say your friend is just an idiot.

I think Wonder Boy III was the first game I beat on my own. Glorious feeling when you're like 5 or 6. Still one of my favorite games until today.

>>1890506
>MFW I buy 2 master systems. ONly 5 dollar each one.
Beside the "rarest" games i can find some cheap games. I buyed Alex kid high-tech world and out-run, 5 dollars each game.

I have this.

>>1898883
Some of these were better on PC Engine, but you can argue PC Engine isn't from the same generation as SMS and NES on some points.

>>1905671
What does it do?

>>1906479
Ys (CD) and R-Type are the only ones on the PC Engine.
Ys would be obviously better being on CD(not played it) and well, R-Type on the PCE is near arcade perfect but retains the balls-to-the-wall difficulty. SMS' R-Type is a little more forgiving and personally a lot more fun.

>>1897027
Holy shit, Phantasy Star was actually translated in Portuguese?

Penguin Land looks like a game I ought to have fun with but I think my copy is buggered because all the bloody penguin does is run left.

I know it's not my controller and I checked online it's not supposed to do that.

>>1898521
yeah but that last fight was epic with 2p especially when the bullets would flicker out of existence and miss.
god bless that shitty game

>>1907705
uh yeah? like most of the master system games? like i said, tectoy gave a good support to the brazilian market. we never had anything even near that after them.

What's the best way to go about emulating Master System on a PSP-3000? I'm using DGEN for Genesis, but it doesn't do MS.

>>1894169
>1990 was almost a quarter of a century ago

>>1906663
it's an entire master system dude

>>1907705

Yup. It was a shoddy job (some terms were translated literally, for example) but at least we could understand it.

>>1908315
Was it as bad as the Spanish translation of FFVII?

>>1908320
Heh, seems like every translation of FFVII was terrible. At least the German version got a decent fantranslation.

>>1906663
>Ys (CD) and R-Type are the only ones on the PC Engine.
Ghouls n Ghosts, Wonder Boy 3, Shinobi, a few others...

I have the Power Base Converter for my Genesis, but I am interested in picking up an actual Master System. Is there any positives to owning the system itself? Also does it have AV out or just RF? Also, does the Japanese Master System (not the Mark III) have compatability with Us and Eu games?

>>1907908
MasterBoy
http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Master_System_emulators
Also, there is a WIP build of retroArch for PSP, but i never tried it

>>1910512
Also, PicoDrive

Whelp. I got a Master System today. Came with Phantasy Star.

The two controllers I got are kinda shit though. One of them you have to push the buttons pretty hard, and the other has a broken Button 2.

>>1911243
Time to replace controllers

Bop.

>>1911243
Just use a Mega Drive controller. It's completly compatible and has a better D-pad.

>>1898883
R-Type had the best cover art on the MS.

>>1914375
That would be true...if the MSX cover didn't exist!

>>1914382
I think he meant out of all Master System titles... not R-Type box arts.

Mum gave my master system away when we moved some 13 years ago.

I still have the games.

I never finished Alien 3, that game was HOLY SHIT. I was so close too.

Rastan was awesome back then. Dunno how the port holds up to the original though. Still fun game.

>>1890462
>>1898563

also flashcarts play master system games without the need for a converter. If you're not a plebian video game collector , I mean

>>1902252
sounds kinda like Ys

Imagine gaming if Nintendo didn't nazi illegal exclusive deals with devs.
This motherfucker could have ruled as it had better hardware and was way cooler.

>>1902252
Golvellius (long shot)?

>>1905438
You and me both, that's the OG SMS right there.

>>1889579
>>1889594
>>1890526
>have master system as kid
>play original zelda years later
>man this is just a bad golden axe warrior clone

>>1893803
>not missing out on much honestly the PCM music is a lot better in some games.
Completely agree. I never though the Master System's FM audio was all that great and find myself preferring the PSG. I know any Compile-made game for it had some nasty SFX in FM.

>>1889991
>>1890458
-Sonic The Hedgehog (completley different form the genesis game)
-Danan the Jungle Fighter
-Land of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse
-Line of Fire
-Master of Darkness
-Rastan
-Power Strike (aka Aleste)
-Power Strike II (Completely different game compared to Aleste 2 on MSX2)
-Batman Returns
-Alex Kidd series (Especially Shinobi World)
-Pit Pot
-Gain Ground
-Ninja Gaiden
-Penguin Land
-R-Type
-Wonder Boy series (Especially The Dragon's Trap)
-Sonic Blast (Not the best 8-bit sonic game, but i kinda like this one..)
-Asterix series
-Hokuto no Ken (Released overseas as "Black Belt")
-Machine Gun Joe
-Golvellius: Valley of Doom
-Phantasy Star
-Kung Fu Kid
-Asterix
-Renegade
-Aerial Assault
-Choplifter
For more more info, check out this Game Sack ep dedicated to the system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N0kmU4E7T4

>>1918296
>Preferring PSG over FM
Jesus, the FM sound chip was the best mod I've ever done to a machine. Master System PSG is so god awful, one of the worst soundchips ever to be in a game console. So few sound channels and all games sound exactly the same. Don't get me wrong, I love my Master System, R-Type is a childhood favorite, but the first time I popped in Fantasy Zone 2 after installing the FM mod, I never wanted to go back. The FM should've been stock in all regions.

>>1914159
False. A lot of MS games won't work right with a Genesis controller.

>>1907835
Eh. Willy was much tougher in the NES version.

>>1918472
PSG can be godlike if people know what the limits are, they're able to work with really small interrupt frames, and they realize that if you don't have different waveforms, you can only add depth to the music by having each tune operate on different octaves.

Ever heard of Sonic Pocket Adventure? That's some 10/10 PSG use right there.

Trying to post...

Hooray! Moot lifted the regional ban! Finally!

>>1911243
Genesis controllers worked OK for every SMS game I own. You use B and C as buttons 1 and 2. I've been doing that for 3 years as I could never find a proper SMS controller and sellers were too much of an asshole to be bothered to sell one from their SMS lots.
Try that.

>>1918472
It's 50-50. Some games profit from the FM, some from the PSG, and some, sadly, from neither.

Since you guys speak so much of Master System music, let me show you the absolute best it's ever done both with PSG and FM.

PSG: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPoMviKmtkA

FM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2f2Y-j9qls

Both are amazing, but the latter one is God-tier due to the composition. It should have been one of SEGA's best known songs of all time instead of being condemned to obscurity in an absolute release of a console with poor sales of a game that was not released worldwide and could only be listened to in FM in Japan.

>>1918842
Regional ban?
Where you from?

>>1918778
PSG can be godlike, just not the Master System's. It always reminded me of those crappy musical Christmas lights we had in the 90s. I think the thing that hurts it most is lack of sound channels.

>>1918853
Don't we all mean SN76489 by PSG? I don't know the technical details and that may be where I'm wrong, but I thought that every piece of hardware rocking a SN76489 can sound just as good as the next one? Maybe you get a little edge from having stereo, but I doubt that's what ultimately makes it good/bad.

Maybe you needed more RAM to load a driver that could own the PSG chip so MS was stuck with simple waveforms? Still, it has higher recognizable frequencies than the 2A03, why didn't people use them instead of jamming notes from the same octave all together?

>>1918848
Argentina. For the last two-three weeks moot had done a massive IP block. Dunno why.

>>1918853
See >>1918842

>>1902252
Description reminds of Super Hydlide, though that's a Mega Drive game.

>>1918920
Maybe he was pissed you guys failed the cup

>>1889573
this machine would have been quite better with some extra VRAM and RAM and bigger cartridges.

>>1921457
Most games don't use the full RAM. Sonic 1 has about 1.5 KB unused.

VRAM though? Well, for the pre-90's it was adequate, but the level of sophistication in games jumped up with the 90's (Sonic, New Zealand Story) and that's when it became tight.

But the real limitation of the hardware is that damn port-based transfer for VRAM. It's a huge bottleneck, preventing raster-based effects that the C64 was so good at.

If they had used memory-mapped VRAM then the console would have been able to do a whole ton more.

>>1890594
>>1890587
Western NY bros represent

>>1890594
>>1890587
Western NY bros represent. Bought my Master System five years ago, in box, with Phaser, 3D Glasses, two controllers, one stick, and eight games for twenty bucks. My how the times have changed.

>>1894081
Pretty much.

Cloude Master is a friendly yet fun STG.

>>1924593
those both are me, but i did post that master system pic as a new thread (fuck goodwill, or something) and i think we had like 5-8 other western ny dudes chime in, was pretty cool.

i haven't been back to the good will since, or maybe once, i cant remember, but i wonder if the master system is still there.

>>1925836
>STG.
What? Shoo Ting Game?

>>1926676
Shoot 'em up (also shooting game (“STG”), or “shmup”).

>>1898587
>Black Belt
Wasn't this just an edited Hokuto no Ken game?

Anyway, I like to play the Translated Jap version of Phantasy Star due to the special FM versions of the music.

>>1893803
>>1918296

I'd also recommend Kenseiden.

>>1926892
Black Belt and Hokuto no Ken have difficulty differences.

Not owning the superior version.

>>1928231
>buttugly
>no card slot

>>1928249
This.

Also get hold of the port of Quartet, as well as the much recommended WB3, Teddy Boy, Transbot and Rainbow Islands.

>>1928845
>tfw Nostalgia.

>>1928231

I have both

>>1918818
Did it work?

>>1924593
>Phaser, 3D Glasses
loved that 3D effect on Missile Defense and Maze Hunter. Full color and everything. fuck the virtual boy.

>>1928231
>No AV out
>No card slot
>Superior

>had the grey one with the white pause button

>couldn't accept the black one are being normal

Did anyone have a copy of Transbot on card? I saw it for sale once as a child, but never again.

>>1932329
What game came pre-installed?

>>1933212
still AK in MW, these consoles are identical to the normal black ones except for the colors of the upper shell and pause button.
the cardboard box was also identical to the standard black unit, except with the relevant colors of course

dont know why they exist, might be limited to the very first runs in certain pal countries?

>>1933301
Perhaps.

I was always a little jealous of people with the MS2 - I had the first version with Hang-On, Safari Hunt and a secret maze game installed.

>>1933716
Yes. This pleases me.

>>1926892
No, there are various differences.
- In Hokuto no Ken, you could get on top of ledges and stuff
- There was only the invincibility item (P letter)
- You recovered health after each boss, there were no items to recover health
- The boss of stage 3 is different (Giant in HnK, Sumo Fighter in Black Belt).
- Different track for boss fight (pretty good track)

The rest is the same. The final boss of Black Belt even does the Raoh pose.

>>1933729
>there were no items to recover health
Not true. You can get an "E" on certain stages by doing a high jump when the timer reads "080".

>>1933729
I think the graphics on black belt are better too cause hokuto no ken its just kinda desolate wastelands

>>1918842
Road Rash is one of the most technically accomplished games on the SMS.

And dat Outrun 3D, hugely underrated game, I wish it would get an upgraded arcade engine port to the 3DS.

>>1926920
Kenseiden plays more like a 16-bit game than an 8-bit one, its alot like Revenge of Shinobi and has Noryoshi Olba's hands all over it.

>>1934991
>its alot like

>>1934991
>Noryoshi Olba's hands all over it.
Ohba had nothing to do with Kenseiden. His only Mark III game was the Wonder Boy port.

>>1934094
>its just kinda

>>1936661
>>1938969
We know how hardcore you are. No need to shit up the thread.

>>1933301
>dont know why

>>1889589
>Goelvelius

How can you get the name of the game you like wrong when you saw it correctly in the filename?

>>1942803
I'm not going to let a typo correction kill this thread.

>>1889778
How did they fuck up the 16-bit port?

>>1928845
>>1929323
>Quartet
>Only two playable characters.
Lame. Double Target had the cuter girl anyway.

>>1946532
>I'm an elitist, you filthy peasant.

Arcade version had 4 player mode.
Hence why I said master system port.

In terms of aesthetics, Sega Mark III > Master System.

>>1946936
Eh, no the mark 3 looks like hospital equipment

>>1946946
"Hospital Equipment" > Your Grandma's VCR
opinions

>>1946936
how can you be so wrong

>>1890526
Who would dismiss a Zelda clone. It was a great game. That's just another great game to add to the table then.

>>1946949
They both have their merits, but for me it's the MS, for the nostalgia feels.

>>1894152
It's a shame you missed this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYt9MR5f4xw

Astro Warrior remains my favorite space shooter, although I never actually owned a sega so I guess it got bonus credit for being something I only played when my family was visiting friends the next state over.

This series could've been Sega's answer to Metroid or Zelda, yet they just decided to let it go. Unfathomable.

Inb4 I probably got the worst Alex Kidd, but goddamnit I'd never seen it so of course I was gonna buy it.

Love the PBC though, on the hunt for 3D games/cards.

>>1947415
Try to get Wonder Boy 2. It's not as great as WB3, but still lots of fun.

>>1946924
It has nothing to do with arcade "elitism." It's lame that they cut two of the protagonists and still called the game Quartet (hint: a Quartet requires four people). At least the Japanese title makes somewhat more sense.

>>1947505
>Japanese title makes somewhat more sense
how so?

>>1947510
Cause there's only two of them in the home version, duh.

>>1947517
>duh
you posted the Japanese arcade poster

>>1947525
Yeah, but I was referring to the name change from Quartet to Double Target in the Mark III version. I only posted the flyer to show why the game was called Quartet to begin with.

>>1899092
>Decide to replay this as a kid one day and make my way through the starting castle
>Accidentally tug on controller cable and the system almost falls off of the table
>Lightning reflexes grabs it and I put it back
>Game glitched
>All of a sudden I'm in the starting town as Hu-Man
>Can break those blocks and enter the transformation room

Whenever I replay the SMS this is one of the games I finish.

>>1914763
Good game.

Me and my mum and dad played it together and my dad finally got us to the last boss, killed it and then, nothing. Game glitched and we couldn't finish.

How much do these sell for? The ones on ebay seen retarded expensive

>>1889573
being a sms american fan is suffering. My sms system btw

>>1947342
I wish they had done it better only MWIV was good

>>1948629
Dragon's Trap was better. Fight me.

>>1948587
this sexy black and red beast

>>1948629
typical fucking hipster opinion. MW4 isn't even the top 3.

>>1948629
Wonder boy in monster world for the megadrive (WB5) was the best of the lot, closely followed by WB3. They both play so easily and have excellent sound tracks.

>>1948629
Monster World IV is a shitty way to end the series

Related tan.

>>1948587
Does the Sega Master System have region lock?

>>1953493
not between north america and the pal region but the japanese mark 3 has a different cartridge shape

>>1953493
Why are things region locked anyway?

>>1889573
I want a Master System so bad. I got to try my friend's a few years ago in college and it seems like a great system. My local shop sells Master System games, but I've only seen one Master System unit there before, and it was the model 2 which as far as I can discern is more expensive (not to mention it can't read game cards).

When I was a young lad, I remember going to Funco Land and finding a Sega Power Base adapter for the Genesis. I didn't even know what it was-- if I recall, at the time thought it was some kind of cleaning kit or cheat device. Had I known back then, I would have bought it and started collecting Master System games during my misspent youth instead of waiting until I was an adult and the games are even rarer.

>>1889790
It's funny-- I was just watching the AVGN Ghostbusters reviews on Youtube last night. I've played the ROMs for Ghostbusters and the Master System was definitely the closest to being a good game. It still had a bunch of problems but it's at least much more polished and pretty looking than the NES and Atari versions and is all around less frustrating to play.

>>1953520
Some companies think that people will import the games where it is cheaper rather than buy them locally

>>1889749
The only good Asterix game ever made

>>1956070
Nah, you just ignorant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy96hObgMGU

>>1953705
Don't buy the 2's, their sound output is beyond fucked and pretty much requires modding to sound decent

>>1956919
>you just ignorant

>>1956927
How did they fuck it up?

>>1956070
The one on 2600 was great, though it was just a reskinned Taz.

>>1894307
MEIN NEGGER

Still convinced that this and Blaster Master heavily influenced the eventual design of Super Metroid.

>>1889589
Golvellius is one of my favorite Not Zeldas.

>>1956927
interesting if true.

you're not confusing the sms2 with the smd2, right?

>>1956927
The SMS2 is still there, but today I spied a Model 1 SMS behind the counter-- it probably hadn't been tested so it wasn't for sale yet. I just bought a Saturn today so I won't be picking up another system any time soon, but I have renewed hope now that I know there are Master Systems floating around in my area.

>>1956919
Must've been a pain in the ass to color Obelix's pants in for all those frames. That said, there really is something alluring about French/European cartoon designs that isn't found elsewhere.

>>1960781
>French

It would be more accurate to write Franco Belgian in this case because a lot of those famous works are also by Belgian people

>>1961645
>Franco Belgian

You mean Wallonian.

>>1961650
Waffle land.

anyone remember this game? one of the best rpgs of the 8bit era imo

>>1894307
That theme tho

>>1963571
Looks like you are the only person who does

>>1964847
it was the first JRPG released in north america bruh. I'm not that guy but I know about it I havent picked it up and tried it yet though.

>>1964849
>I havent picked

>>1966176
fuck off shitposter my disregard for apostrophes did not make that hard to understand

>>1961650
What is Wallonia?

>>1967343
Google knows.

They just got a Master System in at my local shop for $59, but I am flat broke, and I haven't been getting enough hours at work this week-- not to mention the perfectly good Sega CD they have. Being me is suffering.

>>1967419
>Working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need

>>1967419
just buy a power base converter for genesis

>>1968515
But you can't brag about owning a Master System

>>1963571
not yours
can't have

Just in case anyone is about to encounter this screen, don't push up or down near the spikes. Just let yourself drift up into them and you will not be harmed. You can then push left and right to clear the room.

>>1969942
mindblown

>>1946170
California Games on the MegaGennie omits the frisbee event for some reason. There are only 2 air tricks in the BMX event. No "Louie Louie" title music.
Just generally inferior controls as well.

I kind of think the Sega Master System version of Sonic 1 was better than the first two Genesis games.

Seems like the level designs actually deliver some pretty challenging platforming. And the way you can't re-collect rings makes the game seem way less easy than the Genesis trilogy does.

>>1946958
>Not using question marks

>>1970063
That is a truly hipster opinion

>>1934991
>its alot

>>1970063

>worst Sonic game and is a port of a Game Gear title
>it's better than Sonic 2

Got your thick rimmed classes and Master Thesis on the themes in Majora's Mask?

>>1973132
>Not writing a Master Thesis about the themes in Sweet Home

Let's listen to the music of the space Harrier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evkR_V6qkbM

>>1934094
>its just kinda

>>1889573
i found my oldest brother Master System a year ago... but the ports are rusty as fuck. anyone know a product to clean it? i think the controller is in perfect condition

>>1889573
So seriously how come the NES beat out the Master System, the MS had superior graphics, faster gameplay with less flicker, arguably cooler design

Only downsides i can really think of is the music and pause button (or lack thereof)

>>1977654
Lack of third party support. Out the entire library almost all of it were Sega games and half of it were ports or conversions

>>1967419
Today i bought a Master System 1 in a mint condition Master System 2 box with 2 control pads, 2 broken control pads for spare parts, a sega stick, 2 light guns, 2 ac adapters, 4 av cables, a Sega SS-55 antenna, and along with Sonic the hedgehog x 2
Taz mania x 2
Qaurtet
Transbot
Thunder blade
Global gladiators
Teddy boy
Alex kidd in miracle world
Indiana jones and last crusade

For $72

>>1977668
That is a good deal

>>1977636
>oldest brother

*oldest brother's

>>1934094
>its just kinda

>>1889778
Why didn't you get a graph notebook?

>>1970063
>>1972224


tbh I kinda like SMS 1/2 over MD 1, mostly because Mega Drive sonic 1 has Marble Zone which is a fucking snore and Labyrinth which is just tedious. I also kinda liked the idea of the emeralds being hidden in the world to find rather than just only accessible through special stages [although MD 1/2 special stages are WAY better than 3+Ks.]

>>1889790
>its the actual

>>1894145
>hes fucking Sonic

>>1908320
The first line of PS1 in English is "Scum! Do not sniff around in Lassic's affairs!".

In Portuguese it literally was "Do not speculate about Lassic's romance!"

>>1988337
They couldn't wait until the first line to fuck it up

>>1969942

Son of a BITCH

>>1983305
I was a kid and didn't have the money for no fancy graph notebook.
Just used regular lined writing paper and drew vertical lines with a ruler and pen to make the graph paper.

>>1991416
Funnily enough I don't remember the rest of the game being as cryptic. Just that first line.
But then, it's not like even English translations at the time had complex grammar.

>>1992167
I think Engrish is easily more found in NES games than Master System ones

>>1968498
Leave this thread, and go back to gangbanging, lass shit.

>>1894145
I've never played a master system before, but holy shit, that legitimately hurts my ears.