/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1908706
Its emulation and could fuck your saves.

Just emulate on the Wii or some of those android tv devices. You will be getting the same result.

>>1908706
>What's /vr/'s opinion on the Retron 5?
You must be new here.

Everyone on /vr/ hates it because its an emulator. Then theres the issue with the tightness of the connections potentially damaging carts as you have to force them in and forcibly remove them. Lack of support for the intended audio and video outputs with forced HDMI only. Major compatibility issues with games like Sonic and Knuckles, any kind of piggy backing cart fucks it, multi-game in one carts are also fucked a lot of the time, some games just flat out don't work. Multiple different carts (SNES and Genesis for example) won't work, 1 cart only despite it having multiple cart slots. It works by simply dumping the carts rom into the machine and doing that. Which means once the rom is dumped the cart is no longer necessary.

Shall I go on?

It's an emulation box with some compatibility problems but most stuff works. $140 so it's not a bad price. I'll probably pick one up unless a better emulation solution comes around that doesn't need the carts and isn't any bigger.

Rest of thread is going to be "Just emulate for free on your PC", "Retron 5 sucks because I said so", and someone will probably bring up crts.

>>1908716
Not to stomp on your hate parade but the firmware update has apparently made sonic and knuckles work .

>>1908720
>$140 so it's not a bad price.
>I'll probably pick one up unless a better emulation solution comes around that doesn't need the carts and isn't any bigger.

The Retron's target audience, folks. Clueless consumers who'd rather buy the first thing they see than actually look into it. Enjoy your buggy shit that can't match even a modded Wii

>>1908728
>Enjoy your buggy shit that can't match even a modded Wii
Love a side by side comparison of your benchmark of emulation.

Just ignore and report.

>>1908706
Whats your opinion now, OP?

>>1908746
Wii:
> the only game that I've played that didn't work right is fucking Top Gun
> every game ever that I can hold on one SD card
> simple to use menus with good options
> individual emulators for each console or Retroarch if you're a faggot
> Wiimote as Zapper, Superscope, Justifier or Sega Menacer support--top that shit, Retron
> as many players as the game can support
> can use Wiimotes, Classic Controller, nunchuck, even GameCube controllers
> can also play Sega CD, GBA, TG-16, and other consoles
> GB emulators had rad Super Game Boy support including borders and colourisation
> Outputs in RCA, RGB or even SCART while letting you choose what resolution to play at, allowing your games to possibly look even better than they would on real hardware

Retron:
-You can use your carts if that's something you give a fuck about, I guess

>>1908746
If Retrobit wants to send me a test system I'd be happy to do side-by-sides but I sure as hell wouldn't buy one. The Wii is capable of emulating 3x+ the number of consoles the Retron does though.

>>1908775
>>1908773
That's nice that listed a bunch of shit you can do with a WII. Not screenshot comparisons though.

But the one thing
>Outputs in RCA, RGB or even SCART while letting you choose what resolution to play at, allowing your games to possibly look even better than they would on real hardware
Because hdmi isn't a better option? I guess if you really want to play duck hunt.

>>1908782
>720p fixed over HDMI vs 480p/480i switchable over YPbPr for 240p content
I'll just let you think about what you're saying for a minute...

>>1908706
IT'S PURE SHIT OP

It's pure shit. It sucks. Stay away. I was hyped for it, don't believe the shills.

>>1908782
>240p on HDMI poorly scaled to 4:3 and stretched to 3x over Native RGB 240p just like a real console

>>1908785
I'll take hdmi. 240p source doesn't matter when you emulate.

>>1908793
You won't take HDMI when you see the pixel distortion on the Retron because it can't do 4:3 stretching.

>>1908793
>properly displaying an image doesn't matter
>scaling doesn't matter

>>1908793
Then you deserve what you get.

>>1908792
>Native RGB 240p just like a real console
Ya that isn't going to stretch at all on a hdtv because the magic of rgb. Also I thought the wii did 480p?

>>1908801
>>1908798
>>1908797
>retron emulation is so bad
>stretch
Again how about some screenshots of these claims?

>>1908773
This to the max.

>>1908706
It's awful you can stop shilling it now

>>1908773
>>1908773
>>1908773
>>1908773
THIS jesus christ

everything that has been said has been done already over 9000 times. DO NOT BUY THIS PIECE OF BUGGY SHIT unless you're an idiot.

NEVER
PAY
FOR
EMULATORS
i can't stress this enough holy shit

>>1908968
also this

Have you noticed how EVERY SINGLE retron5 thread lists the same bullshit excuses?
"I've got a few extra bucks laying around"
"Space is becoming an issue"
"I hear it's ______"

i swear to god, this is the worst shill ever

Is it time for Retron week again?

every so often we get a post like OP's obvious marketing post that asks /vr/ about the retron.
Every time the vast majority of posts bash it for being an extremely flawed emulator box on cheap hardware and the posts praising it, which are few and far between, never seem genuine and come off as advertisements, almost as if the company itself were posting them.
Every
Time

>>1908974
This also means you shouldn't buy a Wii unless you want to play Gamecube or Wii games. A computer has far more options for emulation and far more power. A newer one can even emulate a Wii.

>>1908706
I like the idea of being able to use my collection of carts.
So I bought a roll of tape so I can stick one to the back of my phone when I emulate. Plus I can play my games via HDMI cable, so that's a bonus.

>>1909003
While I agree that a PC is, without contest, the best candidate for emulators, not everyone is willing to spend $500-$1000 on an emulation machine, or to move their main rig to the living room.
A Wii is a cheap, effective method of emulating games up to the N64 in the living room.
Hell, I got mine for $50 on eBay with some cheap-o accessories that work just fine.
Add an external hard drive, or even a flash drive, and you've got everything you need.

Obviously a first gen Wii is best, because fuck Nintendo for removing the only option for a wired controller.

>>1908724
>potentially fucks your games
>not free
>dumps carts into roms anyway
>into roms

but hey it plays sonic and nucks 3 now rite?

just buy a raspberry pi so you can write different games on each sd card and pretend you're using cartridges

>>1909020
So does my $12 gamecube with a $2 sd gecko.

>>1909010
While I understand your point, I refuse to believe that a emulation-capable PC costs $500-$1000

>>1909010
You can get a new computer for around $200 and it will run retro machines fine and serve a variety of other functions. If you buy used parts or reuse things you've lying around it gets even cheaper. Even an old Core 2 Duo is a lot more powerful than the Wii's PowerPC.

>>1909029
you can find emulation capable pc for free in garbage bin and emulate stuff up to PSX without much trouble

>>1908706
No flash cart support
No homebrew support
No repro cart support
No SD emulation support
No thanks

>>1909038
>literally emulators in a shit computer
>sd slot
>requires loading game from legit cart anyway

You can't be serious.

>>1908724
Is there a firmware update that keeps the pins in the cart slot from breaking?

>>1909040
it's real, it doesn't even let you play roms unless you buy a repro or a flashcart

retron a shit

>>1908773
Retron shills blown the fuck out

>>1909010
You can easily get a second hand PC for well under $50. Probably free.

>>1909030
right, but will it be quiet, compact and also play Gamecube and Wii games?

I love PCs, but for living room emulation, I'll take my Wii

>>1908706
This is literally the same pitch I've seen on here like 4 fucking times. I'm not one to shout shill but this is copypasta bullshit by the company. Go fuck yourself. Your retron bullshit sucks ass.

>>1908985
>>1909932
This, can we report this bullshit as spam at this point?

>>1909927
>but will it be quiet, compac
Of course. We're talking embedded GPU for that price and therefore you don't need a lot of space or cooling.
Emulating PS2, Wii or Gamecube in high resolutions will probably need a separate GPU which increases the price but it will still allow for small form factors.

You definitely get access to the PC library which is a lot larger than the one for GC or Wii and a bunch of systems the Wii doesn't emulate.

>>1909935
That's what I did in the past. Usually they got deleted after a while but it's a slow board with slow moderation.
Even if many people reported it and it showed up in the global report queue it wouldn't necessary help since you need to know the board to know where the problem lies.

THE
SAME
THREAD
EVERY
WEEK

the company that is making these threads needs to fuck off

>>1909002
>>1908968
>>1908724
>>1909031
This. This shill is annoying

STOP ADVERTISING YOUR SHITTY PRODUCT ON /VR/

nobody is that stupid to buy this

>>1909010
you will by able to build machine for less than 80$ with lga 755 Pentium 4 in it that will do a better job than retron.

so if I buy

1k of these
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Hyperkin-RetroN-5-Retro-Video-Gaming_173040830.html

and sell them 10 $ cheaper than you OP
will you be angry?

>>1910168
>US $30 - 50 / Unit
LEL what the fuck

Again this thread

>>1910179
It means you are fucking stupid if you paid $150 for that shitty plastic box which damages your cartridges and uses stolen open-source emulators.

It's impressive how retogaming marketting seems to be turning any idiot into a compulsive buyer.

>>1909951
Even if I build a cheap PC, getting it to natively connect to a TV is difficult.

oy vey buy the retron 5, good goy

>>1910241
Every modern computer will have DVI, HDMI or Display Port to connect to a modern TV. VGA is also still common.
For an older TV get a GPU with TV out.

>>1908974
WITH
THE
EXCEPTION
OF
FPSE
ON
ANDROID
But yeah, Retron 5 is just shilling.

Does anyone actually have screenshots to show how bad the retron is instead of hot opinions?

>>1910229
I'm in Brazil and that piece of shit is selling for like $300.

>>1910241
lolwat . get educated

sage-ing for retron bullshit

>>1910259
I'd never ever pay for FPSE either, fuck that, I pirate paid emulators.

>>1910268
Why would anybody buy that if it doesn't even have Master System?

>>1910267
You don't need any screenshots to know that a $140 box filled with stolen open source emulators that fucks up your original and quite possibly valuable cartridges is bad. Connect an old PC to your TV, get some of those USB or bluetooth controllers in the style of the classics, softmod a wii, play them on your fucking keyboard, anything but that pile of shit.

>>1908706

Nothing you say makes sense. You have the original consoles so why bother buying something else? You already mentioned compatibility issues, so why risk another purchase when you have the machines that will run things without issue?

If you have the original systems, then you should have original controllers, why bother buying a system that will give you the same ass controllers.

You say you want to save space and you use HDMI... I can't imagine anyone who uses retro consoles on a CRT would care about HDMI. I also don't see anyone playing retro systems on HD TV's as they look like ass with lag.

What you say doesn't add up in the normal world.

Stick to the originals. Retron are for the plebs who don't know how to download emulators and roms.

By the way, emulators and roms will run better than that thing, costs less and gives the option of doing much more for much less.

>>1910284
>open source
>stolen
That entire post. Thanks for the hot opinion that I didn't ask for though.

>>1910297
Open source does not mean free, you're meant to give credit to the original creators, dickhead.

>>1910297
what the fuck is a hot opinion. is that a mashup of "hot garbage" and "opinion"?

>>1910309
I don't think you understand what open source is. or a screenshot for that matter.

>>1910310
He's just shilling, sit back and laugh.

>>1910297
It's an emulator. An emulator which requires carts.
Ever used an emulator? Retron is that.
Except you need to get fucked by resellers before you can play anything.

>>1910315
I don't even care is the retron 5 is trash. All I see in these threads are a bunch of people saying it's shit and not providing any evidence. Is a screenshot comparison too much to ask for?

>>1910313
Open source: Once you've got it, you can do whatever the hell you want with it as long as the original author is acknowledged, may or may not be free.
Free software: Open source and free, go nuts.

>>1910321
Software can't be open source without being free. Having to acknowledge someone's work would imply there even was an original author which with open source there likely isn't.

>>1910269
I get the impression that the ones advocating Wiis are also shills. Every thread they make the same excuses.
I don't know if they work for Nintendo or some sort of hardware reseller.

>>1910331
Que? What excuses do people advocating Wiis make?

>>1910329
Most open source projects only have a small number of programmers. just because anybody can access the source code doesn't mean everybody can contribute to it, just that anybody can make a fork.

>>1910320
What the fuck is a screenshot gonna tell you about the actual emulation quality and limitations of its features?

All a screenshot is gonna tell you is what you should already know. You should know what it's gonna look like compared to the real consoles when people tell you that it doesn't support 240p connections and it's HDMI 720p-only scaled to 4:3. If you don't know what that shit means, then you need to lurk a LOT more around here.

>>1910331
And then you posted this while I was typing my post. You are actually retarded if you think that telling you to save money by buying a cheaper console that supports 240p, better emulators, and infinite ROMs on a single SD card is shilling.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about and it's clear that you love buzzwords and shitposting. (I still wanna know what a "hot opinion" is.)

>>1910275
You guys might think Brazil was the SEGA paradise but that's not really true. The truth is Brazil was always a generation behind. A console would only be popular after it's lifespan had ended. The only exception to the rule were the Master System and the MegaDrive, but by the time the 5th gen had ended, they started declining and declining and the SNES became way more popular.

I've never even seen a Master System and only knew one kid who had a Mega Drive. I had a SNES during the 6th gen, and that was when it was terribly popular. There were a bunch of SNES "arcade/pay for the hour" places and I rented games all the time. Then by 1999 the PlayStation was cheap enough to arrive and dominate and replaced the SNES, and then the PS2 around 2003.

I think we only truly caught up with the 360 and PS3 thanks to the advent of e-commerce. Everyone can buy consoles and games cheaper than what could ever be sold here thanks to smugglers. Also Sony started manufacturing PS3s in here.

I'm thankful to that, mostly because I'm only 21 years old. If I had been born in the US, I'd have spent my childhood with the PS2 instead of the SNES and later the N64 (got that over the PS1, it was popular too, plenty of places to rent games).

>>1910349
The whole point of modern emulation is to get away from 240p source. So again screenshot or you just gonna blast me with more wonderfully worded opinions?

>>1910356
I got that all wrong. Mega Drive was popular on 4th gen as it should be and SNES on 5th gen, sorry.

>>1910349
> infinite ROMs on a single SD card is shilling.
At least try to sound reasonable with your advertising. SD cards can only hold up to 128 GB which is less than a PS1 set. Even without CD based systems you can run into trouble.

>better emulators,
The Wii is hardly the epitome of emulation quality. For various systems the ones available on Android are more capable.
But obviously neither has the best.

>>1910359
240p on a real CRT is generally regarded by /vr/ as the standard for enjoying classic games. This is what I meant by you needing to lurk more. Few people around here like emulation because of inaccuracies compared to the real hardware.

But that's not even the point with Retron 5 criticism. The point is that, if you really do wanna emulate, there are plenty of cheap or free ways to do it using hardware you either already have or can obtain for cheap with far more options, convenience, and compatibility than Retron 5 can offer.

But sure, if you really want a static screenshot of a game, which tells you nothing in relation to this entire argument, then here you go:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-06-04-hyperkin-retron-5-filtering-gallery
http://www.pinterest.com/hyperkin/retron-5-screenshots/

It's pretty much what you would expect from an emulator with filtering options running at 720p. Amazing. Took me two seconds to google these up, by the way.

>>1910359
Ok I'll explain it to you.

First, there's no way to "get way from the 240p source" on old games that aren't 3D. They'll always be 240p because they're sprites, you can't render them again on a higher resolution. What you'll have over HDMI is still 240p except it's scalled/zoomed in to 720p.

Second. SNES games are 256x240 (effectively 256x224), but when you play it on a TV, they get stretched to their correct 4:3 aspect ratio of 320x240. The Retron 5 can do this, but it does it poorly. You can't just stretch the image to 320x240, you need to resample the image and correct the scaling errors, or else you end up with distorted pixels. This is demonstrated here on pic related. The Retron 5 image has distorted pixels which are apparent on diagonals, they're supposed to be uniform, but some are bigger than others. You can verify it on this video at 2:15: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRiLTzrC88Y make it 1080p and blow it up on your screen, then look at the mountains, you'll see they're distorted as fuck. Also check the dithering of the spotlights on Streets of Rage, at 3:02. All pixels should be the same size, but they're distorted.

I was hyped for the Retron 5 at first, but in the end it's really intended to scam retro hipsters.

>>1910384
Every worthwhile game that can be emulated on the Wii won't even fill up a 16 SD card, and then there are HDD's which pretty much makes the point moot.

>The Wii is hardly the epitome of emulation quality

It does everything except 5th gen consoles really well, and even then some of those still work pretty well, combined with the many controller options it's great.

>>1910401
Call me when the Wii emulates the SNES as well as Higan Accuracy.

>>1910393
Took a screenshot of Streets of Rage. Check the distortion on the spotlights and the diagonal lines on the floor. It looks really ugly.

>>1910409
Obviously the Wii doesn't have enough power to do that. And obviously neither does the Retron 5. Don't be a fucking idiot.

>>1910393
>>1910410
Wow finally you have made me see the light. Was this so hard to do instead of hot worded opinions? I will leave the thread now. Thank you.

>>1910416
Yeah, sorry. I was just really lazy. I thought the Retron 5 was good when it was announced too. I actually hope it gets hacked and somebody gets it working with Retroarch or something like that.

>>1910391
>240p on a real CRT is generally regarded by /vr/ as the standard for enjoying classic games. This is what I meant by you needing to lurk more.
That would be because many of the older consoles output 240p. It's not the standard it's the native. So much for lurk more. Didn't bother with the rest of your post.
>>1910393
>>1910410
Thank you for actually providing some pictures and not just saying the Retron 5 sucked ass. Looks like I'll pass on the Retron 5 unless there's an update to make it better. I'll just stick to my PC and maybe get a framemeister later.

>>1910409
I am sorry,

What this all boils down to is placebo thinking that 'hey - it maxes out my CPU - I can hear my fan kicking in - must be teh accuraciez !!!'.

You can run your mouth all you want and you can see figments of your own 'cycle-accurate' imagination all you want - but I highly doubt you could point me to even one minuteau difference between how Mega Man X2/X3 run on SNES9x vs. bSNES. You couldn't pinpoint me to one noteworthy difference regarding the 99.99% of games that work on SNES9x just fine vs. bsnes.

Eventually I walk away with the impression you want 'accuracy' in your emu SNES life but you aren't entirely sure where that 'accuracy' kicks in and actually becomes something quantifiable for you - note - not the ROM hacker - not the speedrunner - you in specific.

It's really better you stop worrying about whether or not an emulator is 'cycle accurate' because it muddies your 'opinionmaking' since 'cycle accuracy' is something that makes no conceivable difference to your average end user anyway.

>>1910430
>That would be because many of the older consoles output 240p. It's not the standard it's the native. So much for lurk more. Didn't bother with the rest of your post.

Are you this insufferable in real life, too? Why do I even bother entertaining asshole shitposters like you with actual arguments? I need to stop falling for this shit.

>>1910414
I never said the Retron or other Android derived devices could.

>>1910438
I'm sorry you're upset about being wrong?

>>1910430
>and maybe get a framemeister later.
Yeah, that's what I'm looking on doing. Even when you go past the poor video scaling there's still compatibility problems with the Retron, in the end it doesn't even compare to real consoles

>>1910440
>haha u mad?

I said that /vr/ CONSIDERS 240p CRT to be the standard for how these games should be played. Thus that is why there are criticisms over Retron 5's exclusion of output options other than HDMI 720p.

I was explaining WHY this specific criticism of the Retron 5 exists on /vr/. I wasn't stating that it was the de facto only way to play old games. Please try some reading comprehension before you act like a jerk and dismiss entire arguments.

I don't even know why you're here anyway, since you said you're leaving in >>1910416.

>>1910454
That wasn't me.
Idk why someone would go out of their way to play on a crt with an emulator.

>>1910391
>Few people around here like emulation because of inaccuracies compared to the real hardware.
You sound like you are projecting.

>>1908773
Could also add the use of carts to the Wii list too, as you can use Retrode on the Wii.

And with that, Retron doesn't have a whole lot going for it then.

>>1909057
Even then does it support the flashcarts out there? I took a look inside some of the files for Retron's operating system and found a database file that had codes for the games it supported and I don't think I saw any flashcarts listed.

>>1910521

flashcarts are not like your usual game cartridge, even if it was added to the database, all the Retron5 would be able to dump is the OS ROM, the ROMs that are on SD or even the one that is flashed are not accessible by Retron5.

>>1910516
>You can use Retrode on the Wii.
Huh
Didn't knew that

>>1910561
This. The Retron doesn't actually behave like a real CPU fetching/loading from the cartridge. It just dumps the entire address space once on startup. So, any cartridge with special hardware won't work.

>>1910521

Flashcarts are not like your usual game cartridge, even if it was added to the database, all the Retron5 would be able to dump is the OS ROM, the ROMs that are on SD or even the one that is flashed would not be accessible by Retron5 because if you run the OS ROM in Retron 5 emulator, it will try to access flashcart hardware, which is not emulated and not accessible by Retron 5 software in real-time.

>>1910568
Retrode is seen as USB storage device by your computer, same thing on Wii

>>1910586
Yeah, the only thing though is I dunno if the Wii (or emulators on the Wii) can make use of the controller ports on the Retrode without any additional programming.

>>1910608
They can't... Yet.

SquarePusher is looking on implementing HID device support on RetroArch just like nintendon't does.

>>1910454

Will you STOP FEEDING HIM already?

>>1910636
Yes, SquarePusher says a lot of things but does not deliver much.

>>1910664
You're feeding him, too :^)

>>1910952
and you're bumping a shill thread. how about all of you fuck off to /v/.

nb

>>1908706
It's fucking garbage. Lurk more. Next.

>>1910956
Everyone but me fuck off to /v/.

>>1908706
>What's /vr/'s opinion on the Retron 5?
- It's shit
- It's overpriced
- It's unreliable
- It's fucking ugly
- It's a fucking money sink
- It's shilled at a weekly basis by assholes who never can take a hint

Now get the fuck out

>>1908720
>>1908724
Same shill fag

>>1910320
>All I see in these threads are a bunch of people saying it's shit and not providing any evidence.
Same goes for the shill who keeps saying the returd is the best thing ever, deal shill.

>>1908706
Go buy a softmoded wii anon..

>>1910436
>it maxes out my CPU
What kind of pleb processor are you using? Bsnes ain't that hardcore. Kinda overkill, sure, but nothing horribly unusable.

>>1910393
Holy shit does that look bad

>>1910393
RETRON SHILLS BTFO

>>1909927
You can get one Wii size that's quiet. Only issue might be if it runs some games too fast but you can turn on limiters in the emulator to fix that.

>>1910331
I get the impression only a retard would get that impression.

I gonna leave this here:

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?52092-looking-for-Retron-5-hack-to-play-Roms/page2

Retron 5 confirmed to be using modified versions of Snes9x, Genesis Plus GX among other free emulators, all based on Libretro/Retroarch.

>>1910229
>stolen open-source

I don't think you understand what open source is.

>>1912178

"Open source" doesn't exist.

Individual licenses DO exist, and a lot of emulators forbid commercial use.

>>1912178
>I don't think you understand what open source is.
>you
That's not how you spell "I"

>>1912181
Do you mean "open source" as a blanket term is flawed, or that no open source software exists?

>>1912181

Now I know you don't understand what open source is.

>"Open source" doesn't exist.

Of course it does, it is software which is distributed in accordance with the conditions set by the Open Source Initiative.

>Individual licenses DO exist, and a lot of emulators forbid commercial use.
And those emulators are not open source.

I'm not familiar with which emulators are used by the Retron 5. But if they are open source, as has been claimed, then they can be used for commercial purposes.

>>1908773
I agree completely, however, to play devil's advocate: The picture from the Retron5 is pretty infuckingcredible. Upscaled to 720p, it does look a notable bit cleaner than the Wii's max of 480p.

With that said, if you're playing on a boss ass CRT like me--which, if you aren't, why the fuck not?--the Wii's picture is perfect.

If you want your games up-scaled and filtered, you could also buy a handful of $10 controller adapters and play them on PC emulators and get more or less the same if not better experience there

tl;dr: Retron 5 does alot of cool things but there are cheaper options.

>>1912114

Oh man this is awesome. Retron5 confirmed to be fucking dead.

>>1911313
Try running bsnes Accuracy profile with a Cx4 game or a SuperFX game.

>>1912114
Everyone suspected they were using open source emulators, it's nice to see that confirmed.

>>1912305
Actually it seems the emulators they're using aren't open source, at least not all of them, like the Snes9x. And therein lies the problem.

>>1910391
lol get back to your containment thread man

>>1912264
>If you want your games up-scaled and filtered, you could also buy a handful of $10 controller adapters and play them on PC emulators and get more or less the same if not better experience there
The beauty of PC emulation is that it's extremely flexible. You can do things the way you want instead of being stuck with a specific piece of hardware. The possibilities are nearly endless.

>>1912329

Snes9x is open source, but it is specifically non-commercial. That is you can't sell it.

GenPlusGX and Picodrive also similarly are non-commercial.

This could be serious and if the courts get involved then production of it could be shut down.

Can you use it to dump roms to a computer at least?

>>1909023

Has anyone hacked a real cartridge slot onto a Raspi and tried running SNES games through that?
I imagine it'd help a lot with games that use coprocessors.

>Buying emulators

>>1912370
I suppose you could, but if you wanted to do that, why not just get a retrode?

>>1912379
There's no need for that when you can just use a retrode.

>>1910393

>SNES games are 256x240 (effectively 256x224), but when you play it on a TV, they get stretched to their correct 4:3 aspect ratio of 320x240.
What does this? Is there some kind of scaling chip in the SNES? Does the TV handle this? I've heard this 8:7/4:3 quirk with the SNES before but I'd like to know more.

>>1912403

It's handled by the tv.

>>1912416

I see. Yet another reason to only play on a CRT, I suppose.

>>1912210
>>Individual licenses DO exist, and a lot of emulators forbid commercial use.
>And those emulators are not open source.

Lulz.

Spoken like a gnu pedophile FLOSS tard.

No, open source code that is licensed under a noncommercial license IS STILL OPEN-SOURCE CODE, dumbass.

>>1912389
but how am i supposed to play my overpriced earthbound copy from ebay.

>>1912403
There's no scaling going on, a CRT will display only the vertical lines of resolution, while horizontal resolution is just part of the signal. CRTs will display 256x240, 320x240, and even 2560x240 the same way.

>>1912431
"Open source" refers to software licensed under a OSI approved license.
"Free software" refers to software licensed under a FSF approved license.
If it is licensed only for non-commericial use then it is neither, so call it "source-available" or "shared source" or similar.

>>1912486

That's pretty confusing but also very interesting. I need to learn more about CRTs... I hate that such a versatile and effective technology bit the dust.
Could you somehow change a CRT to make it only scan 4/5ths of the horizontal screen space to "properly" display the original 8:7 image?

>>1912501
What is libre software?
Could I occupy the term gratis software by forming a "Gratis Software Organization"?

>>1912506
That's not "properly", that's distorted. And yes, you can adjust the analog horizontal scaling to whatever you want on most CRT monitors (but not most CRT TVs).

>>1912513
"Libre software" is an alternative name for "Free software" to avoid the confusion of the double meaning of "free" in English.

By all means replace the name "freeware" with "gratis software", that's a better name.

>>1912519

Well yes, obviously the games are designed around 4:3 which is why I used the quotes.
Very interesting! If only I had a monitor to play around with.

>>1908706
/r/ Retron 5 threads to be instant ban form /Vr/

>>1909002
Watch.
As soon as this one disappears another will spring in its place possibly killing off better threads.

>>1912554
seconding. or at least word filter retron to steaming pile of shit

>>1912561
I'd filter it to "toaster"

>>1912561
>>1912554

But now there's going to be some nice drama with court cases trying to get Retron production stopped.

>>1912501
Sorry to break your control freak dreams but open source is not a trademark of OSI or FSF, it means the source code is available for anyone to use it under a specific license, be it a license approved by FSF or not.

Not sure when GPL faggots decided they owned that term but it's definitively not the case.

Also, even if licenses like GPL allow commercial use, they still require you to acknowledge and inform your customer that you are using GPL licensed code, as well as mentionning usual copyright notices, which Hyperkin obviously did not give a shit about.

Doesn't that shit run on Android? Enjoy your massive input lag, I guess.

>>1912572
Also, the point here is that they are apparently using code licensed for non-commercial use only. Not sure how these licenses and copyright claims are going to stand up in courts though (probably not far considering Hyperkin likely covered their ass and have much more financial power than people behind Retroarch).

If it has been a GPL violation, I am sure the organization behind GPL would have been more quited to attack Hyperkin.

>>1912486

>Horizontal resolution is just part of the signal.
How is that even possible?

>>1912586
>(probably not far considering Hyperkin likely covered their ass and have much more financial power than people behind Retroarch).

They're just some tiny company, it's not like they are some super powerful corportation that can destroy anyone in the courts. It's likely just some fools trying to get rich quick on the "retro game" craze.

>>1912356
I hope the Retroarch guys get this through. Fuck Hyperkin.

>>1912356
>Snes9x is open source, but it is specifically non-commercial. That is you can't sell it.
>GenPlusGX and Picodrive also similarly are non-commercial.

And that non-commercial clause means it fails on the first criteria for being open source.

>Open source doesn't just mean access to the source code. The distribution terms of open-source software must comply with the following criteria:

>1. Free Redistribution
>The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale.

http://opensource.org/osd

They are not open source emulators, if they were then the people producing the Retron would be free to bundle them together and sell them.

>hyperskin steals emulators left and right

Well, is anyone surprised? You didn't actually think they were capable of programming emulators for 5 consoles, right?

>>1913029
Once again, open-source is not a trademark and its definition does not belong to OSI or FSF, no matter what they claim.

In common language and initially (understand, before your GNU friends tried to appropriate themselves the definition and restrict it to their definition of free software), open-source simply means the sourcecode is open i.e made accessible to anyone, as opposed to closed-source software. It has no relation to the kind of license being used.

And once again, even if a license allows commercial use, it also generally asks you to publish the licensing term and copyright notices in your product, which is clearly not the case here and de facto a license violation.

I got the 3rd, it works okay except the controllers that come with it are total shit

>>1912970
A company probably registered in HK or Taiwan, which would make difficult to sue them for license violations.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4sCejfVUu9k

fake or not ?

Shit sucks, just use a PC and buy adapters for your controllers.

>>1913218
Fake
Not Fake
Who Gives a shit

>>1908720
>$140 so it's not a bad price
>$140
>not a bad price

Get the fuck out shill.

With that money you can buy a PC, a Wii or a PSP and emulate all the systems this shit emulates.

>>1913175
b-b-but muh OSI!

>>1913175
The term Open Source was coined in 1998 by people involved with the free software movement who opposed the FSF social activism and wanted to form a business orientated approach to the movement. Those same people created the definition I have posted and the Open Source Initiative shortly after. So they aren't the ones who appropriated the term, you're the one trying to appropriate the term.


It's also worth noting that if you look at the Snes9x website you'll see they refer to it as freeware, rather than open source. Probably because they actually know what you're talking about.

Similarly the MAME FAQ clearly states it is not open source for the same reason.

But no, we'll all except your own personal definition because you're a special little snowflake and words mean whatever you want them to mean.

>>1910356
the SMS is the NES of Brazil. I know this because I have a Brazilian friend that lived there back then.

>>1913250
>they actually know what you're talking about.
*they actually know what they're talking about.

>>1913236
Well, if it has been hacked to load roms from SD like this video is claiming, then it is going to boost up their sells.

Wouldn't surprise me if it was actually some Hyperkin dev anonymously doing this on purpose.

>>1908773
All of this is false. Wii emulation is pure garbage while my Retron has had no issues.

>>1913250
Once again, you are using the capitalized term on purpose, please note I did not.

So how would you call a program that is not closed-source but do not adhere to FSF terms ?

By not allowing these kind of program to be defined as open-source and indirectly categorizing them in an opposite "camp" to free software, you are insulting developers who believe in sharing knowledge/sourcecode without asking any form of monetary profit in return, the ONLY difference with OSI approved licenses being a non-commercial use restriction.

As you know it, freeware does not necessarely means the source is available, and so is a very reductive term to define such applications.

And since you talk about MAME stance, maybe you should read the whole answer in their FAQ about that subject. The key word is capitalization, Open Source might be reserved term but open-source is not.
>MAME's License is a modified version of the standard BSD license. The primary modification is that we do not allow commercial distribution or use of MAME, in order to limit some of the obvious abuses of the code. Because of this modification, MAME's license does not fall under the definition of an Open Source (uppercase) license. This is one of the reasons you don't see the MAME source code hosted on sites such as SourceForge.
>Confusingly, MAME is often referred to as open source (lowercase), as its development shares much in common with other open source projects. However, in spite of its freely available source code, MAME may not be used in a commercial setting, as specified by its license.

>>1910393
Wtf? There's no difference.

>>1912431
Your idiocy hurts kid. Open Source relates to liscenses defined by the Open Source Initiative's Open Source definition. The first part of this states the following

>1. Free Redistribution

>The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale.

Meaning simply if you prohibit your software for comercial purposes its not Open Source.

Wait
So it loads the cartridge into RAM
But you can't run ROMs on the SD card?

>>1913250
>>1913292

Open Source is a term invented to define a license that is compatible with OSI free software definition.

open source is the opposite of closed source and means the sourcecode is publically available.

snes9x is open source (as opposed to closed source) but is not licensed under an Open Source license.

Haven't tried the Retron 5 so I can't say much. But I know my little laptop hooks up to my TV, can emulate up to 6th gen, and is crazy easy to navigate from the couch with either a mouse or controller. Games are all free too...

>>1913302
>kid
Can yall cut this shit out? One internet aspie condescending to another internet aspie is pointless. Get the fuck over yourself.

>>1909279
I got mine used in $150 god knows when, and I probably can emulate WiiU if it where possible now.

>>1913302
Just because a bunch of guys wanted to make money from other people's code and decided to put a very generic and confusing name on licenses allowing them to do that, does not change the fact that anyone who isn't a GPL integrist or OSI sect guru will think to open-source as the opposite to closed-source.

>>1913292
>So how would you call a program that is not closed-source but do not adhere to FSF terms ?

The FSF have nothing to do with this. I'm going to assume you meant the OSI's terms.

If it does not meet the OSI's terms I would consider it closed source, non-free or proprietary, assuming it didn't fall under any other free software licenses.

You are assuming the terms open and closed source refer to the availability of the source code, this is wrong. Having freely availability source code is only one criteria for begin open source.

Similarly the term closed source does not mean the source code is unavailable. It simply means there are restrictions on how the software can be used. Such as a restrictions on bundling the software with a commercial package.

As for MAME, if you take the time to read what you have quoted you'll see it simply says MAME is often referred to as open source.

Chimps are often referred to as monkeys, this does not mean they are monkeys.

>>1913341
But muh original cartridges.

Which reminds me, am I the only one who is reluctant to put his carts into a dubious console with questionable build quality?

Get a RetroDuo with SNES to Genesis, and just buy a GBA for that part. The RetroDuo works perfect for me, I've heard many many issues with Retrons and those issues are what steered me away from getting one. RetroDuo works just fine. It has NES and SNES then you can use a SNES to Genesis in the SNES port and play Genesis games. Mine is a version 3.0, and here it is.

>>1913374
Sorry for the blurry pic, btw. But it also claims it's compatible with most Japanese imports, though I have no proof of this as I've never tried an import on it.

>>1913358
>If it does not meet the OSI's terms I would consider it closed source, non-free or proprietary, assuming it didn't fall under any other free software licenses.

you realize that all these terms are kinda subjective and very negative, right ?

They also deliberately belittle the contribution of the developer by hiding the fact knowledge and code is being shared without any kind of profit, as if it wasn't a valuable moral stance.

Also, OSI only defined the term of Open Source license, now you are putting definitions to closed source, proprietary, non-free...

The problem is that you are speaking as if all these terms were put to stone and OSI was some kind of authority that can decide what all programmers should use to define their work and what words they are allowed to use or not.

And this is not the same as categorizing monkeys, words can have multiple meaning and already had before OSI decided they wanted to control the definition of what open source means. In generic opinion, open source means that the sourcecode is available and closed source that it is not because that's what the word "open" and "closed" generally means.

You can say the code license is not compatible to OSI or Free Software definition but you cannot define what open source or free is for software, because those words are too generic and their opposite words ("closed" and "not-free" or "proprietary") do not accurately define a non-commercial software which makes its whole sourcecode available.

It's as if someone created a group which decided the term "Video Game" should only apply to games that use 3D video.

>>1913250
Wholly shit! Linux was evil Micro$oft closed source OS until OSI existed!

I'm going to make a wesbite called ps4-is-retro.org. Then you will have to let me talk about ps4 here because a website says it's retro.

Do any of these have usb drives?

>>1913361
putting a cartridge into a retron 5 is like putting your dick into a herpes infested vagina.

>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.

>>1913374
what a hunk of garbage, you should be embarrassed to play games off that

>>1913590
Sorry, but it's actually not garbage. It saves a lot of space and works perfect with all my games. I've had it for 3 years and so far no issues with anything like some people would say. Being a collector, it's nice having a console that keeps me from having to plug in my NES and SNES over and over when I want to play one or the other.

>>1913621
>saves a lot of space

It's what, half the size of having a SNES and NES? I mean, if you're happy with it I don't want to take that from you like the guy above, but this is a fairly weak argument.

SNES and NES take the same cables, too. I just switch the console out, it takes 15 seconds.

>>1913631
When you have a fairly elaborate entertainment center like I do, it quickly becomes annoying

>>1913631
Well, that's not what I was meaning to say. What I was trying to say is since I don't have much space in my room for any of my games (can't wait to find a bigger house -.-*) that I used to have to switch the two out back and forth. It's nice having a switch to change from 8 bit and 16 bit.

It's shit, right?

>>1909010

>$500-$1000

You're insane anon. I'm actually paying for a relatively upper end computer for the living room, but that is because i also want to play PC games on it. You could easily build a $200 dollar emulation machine that doubles as a media center for the living room. Would be much cheaper than buying all of the consoles, games and peripherals if you aren't into collecting, or don't have the money to support such a hobby. Could probably build it for less if you forgo things like a disc drive.

>>1913649
It has errors even playing Pokemon, so yes.

If you are just looking to have some fun then it's fine. If you are a real gamer, the I out delay ruins it.

>>1913621
>Being a collector

So you're involved in such trivial things as game collecting but can't be assed to save some space for the fucking consoles which are supposed to be the stars. End your fucking life.

>>1913428
Please cite some examples of the term open source being used before it was coined by the people who founded the OSI.

Once again, words have meanings. I'm sorry that upsets you but that's how it is. Open source is defined as software which meets the criteria to be open source. That is the way it has always been defined.

But I'm just repeating myself here, so whatever. If you wanna think Snes9x is open source the it is. We can make Windows open source as well, and chimps are monkeys.

>>1913951
I think you might get all vital parts for 150 but that would include a cheap PSU with potential to blow up.
http://www.logicalincrements.com/

The best way to cut costs is to reuse parts you have lying around such as storage devices.

>>1913428
>you realize that all these terms are kinda subjective and very negative, right ?
That's why you should use the term "shared source". Popularizing that name for proprietary source-available software is one thing Microsoft did right.

>as if it wasn't a valuable moral stance
It's not a valuable stance, because copyleft licenses already sufficiently restrict all abusive commercial uses.

>>1914429
I'm from South America and I can probable get an Intel Dual Core PC with 1 or 2 GB RAM for less than 90 USD on a flea market. That should be enough even for playing arcade Killer Instinct. Playstation and even PSP games, with a better OS for emulation (Windows or Linux). And I could even play games lik Super Mario X and many other stuff.

The retron 5 is a waste of money. You could even hook up your android phone to your TV via HDMI and connect a PS3 controller via bluetooth, and that could probably be better.

Even an OUYA is a more decent option (It's shit, but at least it's cheaper, has a Tegra 3 CPU, and you can play other emulators and android games)

>>1914389
Here is an interesting article that clearly says why the term "Open Source" is misleading and how "open source" has always been used to define work that does not necessarely meet OSI restrictions.

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html

Also, no need to be sarcastic and sneaky like all OSI fanatics seem to be when they are being confronted about their faith, Windows source is not publically available and nobody is claiming it should be called open-source.

In common language,
"open" means it's open to the world and anyone has access to it
"source" means the sourcecode, not the distributed and licensed binary

So "open source" implies the source is accessible for anyone to open it, read it and learn from it. The way it can be used and binary builds distributed are covered by the license. You can talk about open or proprietary license if you want but the sourcecode itself is open if it is available to public and closed if it is not. Just because it does not meet some organization definition does not change the fact it is how it is understood by common sense.

The more I think about it, i think the main difference is that some people hold more value in the sourcecode and the informations it contains while others like you hold more into the end product, i.e the application, the sourcecode being only a mean to modify it, build it and sell it.

Those are also the same people who are hunting down projects on googlecode because they use a license that does not permit commercial use of freely available sourcecode, as if it was an offense to their "freedom".

I wouldn't be surprised if those die-hard defenders of OSI definition weren't just people who makes a living from selling open-source apps, such as Broglia on Android.

>>1914429
>http://www.logicalincrements.com/
Fucking stop.

tomshardware.com
anandtech.com
hardocp.com

There are three sites that actually BUY and BENCHMARK the hardware before giving clueless newbs a recommendation.

>>1914652
I don't think you get the purpose of the Falcon guide.

>>1914652
The purpose of logical increments isn't to give you a breakdown of the hardware and how well it performs, it's meant to provide people with up-to-date builds for every price range while ensuring that everything is compatible and will work well together.
Beginners likely aren't going to understand in-depth reviews of individual components, nor are they going to be able to gather parts that all work together without asking for assistance.

Wasn't it confirmed by Libretro that Hyperkin took RetroArch and the pre-optimized cores and simply put them in a cheap Android box and sold the softwares without acknowledging their creators?

Isn't this illegal and punishable under the GPL license that RetroArch is under?

>>1912598
It's analogue. There's not a horizontal "resolution" exactly. The faster the input signal changes the higher the resolution. To stretch horizontally you just turn the graphics card output clock rate down ever so slightly so that each snes pixel is a little bit wider. It's not infinite because NTSC/PAL causes an upper limit because of the bandwidth of the colour channel plus the resolution of the shadow mask/aperture grill but let's not get into that. The 224/240 thing I *believe* is merely that there are 8 lines top and bottom that are blanked out. Most TVs consider that well into the overscan area so you won't even see it. It was common for 8/16 bit era consoles/computers to have a border around the display area, many could be set to a solid colour.

>>1912535
If you have a later model CRT TV you could look up how to get into the engineer menu. There will be options for just about everything, plus you can fix any convergence problems you likely have developed since the TV was manufactured. Older TVs without software management had screws or knobs inside them but I'd strongly recommend you DON'T. Display experiments aren't worth 30kV shocks.

>>1914674
Yes and yes.
With the impending legal action, it's likely that Hyperkin will be out of the business for quite some time thank god.

Soon we'll be seeing Retron 5 systems on eBay with $600 price tags.

>>1914665
>while ensuring that everything is compatible and will work well together.
But they don't. They don't actually test any of this shit before recommending this. It's a trashy cash-in website with no work put into verifying their baseless claims.

>>1914665
>Beginners likely aren't going to understand in-depth reviews of individual components
Right, that's why Tom's does System Builder Marathons where they literally tell you what to buy. They actually put those systems together, try them (for real, with actual games running on their test rigs), and recommend that works.

>>1914694
>first part
You don't actually HAVE to buy any of these parts to ensure that they're compatible and will work properly together. You only need to have the actual hardware if you're benchmarking, which is what review websites (like Tom's Hardware) are for.
In fact, LI is likely using information from Tom's Hardware and a myriad of other sources to compile these lists.

>second part
Yes. Their lists do the same things. One is just more beginner friendly.


Why are you arguing about this anyway?

>>1914637
Have you read the article? It says open source is software which meats the OSI's definitions and the people who believe it simply means freely available source code are misunderstanding the term. It then goes on to oppose the term all together on the grounds Stallman considers the term misleading and says it leads to misunderstandings like yours and arguments like this. I think it's fair to say he has a point.

But it's not supporting your arguments in anyway, it's backing up everything I've said about what the term actually means and how you've misunderstood the term.

>>1914687
>Hyperkin will be out of the business for quite some time
Not really, they'll simply take the retron off the market and pay out some cash.

>>1913539
No, you have to buy original games.

>>1914694
Have you actually tried reading the site?
>This is just a guide. The recommended components are sweet, but if you do your own research, you can probably do even better. NEVER buy something because "someone says so."

>>1913579
Don't tell me about it, i have a fucking infection right now.

>>1914745
What kind of infection? I had yeast last month. It was awful.

>>1913374
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7CHFC-223E#t=12m25s

Look at the 12:25 mark.

Hunk of garbage. Stay away.

>>1914678

I think I understand... So the only reason there is a set framerate and vertical resolution is because there are clear-cut VSYNC and HSYNC signals? While the horizontal resolution is handled continuously and not discretely like those?

>>1914678
>The 224/240 thing I *believe* is merely that there are 8 lines top and bottom that are blanked out
Yeah, exactly. All SNES games have 8 lines of nothing on top and bottom, so that's why it's effectively 224 lines. NES games draw the full 240 pixels, however.

>>1914810
I mean the full 240 lines of pixels

To those considering the retron 5. I recently picked one up to use for my family room. While it has nice features such as bluetooth remote and ease of use and really nice emulation. I really liked the software but i will say that the hardware is beyond cheap feeling and really low quality to such an extent that right out of the box the top half of my console was covered scratches. I personally dont see it being worth the 130 bones unless you really must try to save space.

>>1914820
>unless you really must try to save space.
How does a device with a volume over 9 litres save space and needs to be placed accessible so you can switch cartridges? Not to mention that cartridges take up a lot of space themselves.

>>1914820
Please check this out:
>>1910393
>>1910410

And confirm it. Any game that has apparent visible diagonals will suffice, like the slopes in Mario World (pic related).

You have to set the Retron 4:3 aspect.

>>1914716
My argument is that a small group of people can not decide what "open source" is or is not by choosing arbitrary criterias that only fit their own philosophy, because the words "open source" have a different meaning for the majority of people. This article clearly says that "open source" is constantly being used by medias, corporations and developers themselves to define something where the sourcecode is publically available and under cooperative work, which was my point all along.

There is no misunderstanding for the term "open source", people exactly know what they are talking about when they choose this term and they are often perfectly aware that OSI definition is more complicated but they just don't give a shit.

Because once again, OSI is no linguistic or scientific authority, they have no legit rights to define what an expression means or categorizing softwares like zoologists classify apes, so basically, anyone has the right to use the term "open source" for software that meets the common language definition.

There is just confusion because what OSI defines as "Open Source" is more restricting than what most people define as "open source", which indeed lead to endless arguments like this one.

As stated in this article, a better, less confusing term should have been chosen, something that does not try to make people think that a license enforcing non-commercial use of shared source-code is now proprietary, non-free or closed source application, which is not only misleading but also insulting for the philosophy behind that license choice.

But the truth is that OSI is an activist group with narrow-minded ideas (pretty much like a sect) that tries to enforce its own philosophy among software developers and that term was off course carefully chosen as a way to distinguish "good" and "bad" software according to their own subjective criterias.

If it's an emulator and it uses digital video cables, why not just get an emulator and play it on your pc?

Is /vr/ the equivalent of /ck/ in terms of moderation? These fucking shill threads have been going on over a year already.

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?52092-looking-for-Retron-5-hack-to-play-Roms/page3

> Assemblergames don't want to get Hyperkin into trouble

>>1913621
Why don't you "collect" an A/V switcher and power strip

>>1916318

maybe you should take that as a hint that things you think are against the rules are actually not

>>1913621

>paying $140 for the privilege of not having to reach behind the TV now and then.
kill yourself

>>1916318
You should have been here last year when the janitors and mods were deleting any post that implied DKC was a bad game.

Hey guys.
I screencapped OP's shill post for comparation purposes whenever the shill tries to create a new Retron thread.
Keep screencapping them as evidence of the shilling so we could get the retron threads deleted faster and faster.

>>1917748
Sorry we're not all poor.

>>1917889
>Having money means you should waste money
>>>/v/

We all know the costs of this hobby, and $140 just to play a bad emulator isn't one of them.

>Still advertising your shit console

C'mon mate, you have been at it for ages now.


Get out

>>1917887
Every day I am shillin'

>>1917906
Ban this guy for supporting this garbage threads!

>>1908706

RETRON 5 NOW WITH IPS SUPPORT!
So, like me, there will be a slew of new people coming here because Hyperkin's RetroN 5 system is now allowing IPS patches.
To my knowledge, this is the place to go to for finding translation IPS files.

May I suggest a new board dedicated to people with the system looking to request fixes for IPS patches (for RetroN 5 compatibility--if there should be an issue with one already)?
And a place for people (like me) to request that translations be done (even of games that aren't Japanese-exclusive)
example: I have Slapstick for Super Famicom (that's the Japanese Robotrek), but not the English Robotrek, so I'm out of luck unless I spend the money for the English cart or find a translation patch. Now, this game is in English if you have Robotrek, would it be possible for someone here to take the english from that game and make a patch for the Japanese game to like... swap the text? you know what I mean? I'm sure it's more complicated than that, and might even require an entire re-translation -- or maybe it doesn't. I don't know.
But what I'm saying is, like me, there are many others with large Japanese video game collections with RetroN 5s wanting translations, and there are a lot that aren't already on this website.
Many props and thanks so far, I was able to find many here, but there are also many I would like to request.
Plus I already had an issue with the Final Fantasy 5 patch here not working with RetroN 5 and someone already nicely made a fixed file that did work for me.

good idea? not yet? suggestions of where to post my RetroN5-related requests if not a new board? I already found the request wiki on here and added 2 things to it so far. Do translators check that often? Do I even need an actual translator to help with making Japanese games that already have english releases English?
Thanks, Hyperkin's facebook page isn't well organized and I would like to move onto here for questions about IPS patching.

>>1908706
Hey shill.

Go tell your company execs to make Retron 6 have the ability to play downloaded roms. Then I'll buy one.

For now please fuck off, thank you.

>>1908706
-Kulp
I have a RetroN 5 and a lot of Japanese video games.
Video game collection -- http://backloggery.com/Kulp

It seems so pointless. It's just a computer that can only run several emulation programs. Just hook a computer up to your TV, and if you REALLY need to use the original controllers, they make adapters for those. Much better than spending however much money a retron costs for an emulation machine with limited potential. I'd rather just hook an old desktop/laptop/whatever up to my TV and use it as a living room media center as well as for emulation

>>1918038
It's all about muh cartridges.

Get a RaPi for $25, hook it to your TV, and load it with emulators and roms. Way better than whatever the retron offers.

>>1918038
It is pointless, which is why EVERY post in support of it is written in Engrish, and very bad Engrish at that. Because they are shills shilling from Shill China.

>>1918046
But if people care about muh cartridges (hell, I do) then they should also play on original hardware. I'd assume if you already have a collection of game cartridges and controllers, you'd have the actual system as well.

And if the explanation is then "but the retron takes up less space!" then that's hypocritical since apparently all those different controllers and game carts don't. And if space is the issue, a living room PC works just as well

>>1918049
Not to mention you get to play with whatever controller you want and you get to play many different systems other than just sega/nintendo

>>1918054
>And if space is the issue, a living room PC works just as well
Better. If you factor the cartridges sticking out the R5 is as big as a Mini-ITX case, which is the smallest universal form factor. But there are options below it like the intel NUC that can be mounted behind the TV so it effectively takes nearly no place at all.

>>1915410
A mistake being commonly made does not make it any less of a mistake.

I have explained why you are wrong.

I have posted articles explaining why you are wrong

You have posted articles explaining why you are wrong.

You are wrong. Deal with it.

> This thread is still here

How is that even possible?

It's junk. Buy a PC.

>>1918178
There is no mistake being made, there are just different people with different philosophies, having different definitions for the same words, nobody is "wrong" and nobody can claim he owns the right definition of "open source".

The term "open source" is not trademarked by OSI and the right term should be "OSI compliant license". Just because they put the term "Open Source" everywhere on their website and articles does not change the fact those words CAN have a different meaning for different people.

http://cs-exhibitions.uni-klu.ac.at/index.php?id=224
>On the other hand "Open Source" without the definition of the OSI simply defines a software as "open source" if the user can access the source code.

Why is it so hard to understand and why do I feel like arguing with brainless indoctrinated sect addict ?

>>1918326
The right term is actually "OSI certified Open Source software".

http://books.google.fr/books?id=MOrWlmn_C5sC&pg=PA406&lpg=PA406#v=onepage&q&f=false

>>1918326
The right term is actually "OSI certified Open Source software" because the term "open source" is deemed to be too descriptive and can indeed be used to describe a software license not compatible with OSI approved licenses.

See
http://books.google.fr/books?id=MOrWlmn_C5sC&pg=PA406&lpg=PA406#v=onepage&q&f=false

Anonymous 09/07/14(Sun)01:09:35 No.1918389▶
>>1918326 (You) #
The right term is actually "OSI certified Open Source software" because the term "open source" is deemed to be too descriptive and can indeed be used to describe a software license not compatible with OSI approved licenses.

See
http://books.google.com/books?id=MOrWlmn_C5sC&pg=PA406

>Critics have said that the term "open source" fosters an ambiguity of a different kind such that it confuses the mere availability of the source with the freedom to use, modify, and redistribute it. Developers have used the alternative terms Free/open source Software (FOSS), or Free/Libre/open source Software (FLOSS), consequently, to describe open source software which is also free software.

>The term "open source" was originally intended to be trademarkable; however, the term was deemed too descriptive, so no trademark exists.The OSI would prefer that people treat open source as if it were a trademark, and use it only to describe software licensed under an OSI approved license.

>OSI Certified is a trademark licensed only to people who are distributing software licensed under a license listed on the Open Source Initiative's list.

Also:
http://books.google.com/books?id=MOrWlmn_C5sC&pg=PA407

>Another example was Scilab prior to version 5, which called itself "the open source platform for numerical computation" but had a license that forbade commercial redistribution of modified versions. Because OSI does not have a registered trademark for the term "open source", its legal ability to prevent such usage of the term is limited, but Tiemann advocates using public opinion from OSI, customers, and community members to pressure such organizations to change their license or to use a different term.

In short, OSI does not have any rights on the "open source" term but use propaganda to make people think they own it.

>>1917906
>>1917973
>>1918000
>>1918019
What the fuck is this? Seriously?

>>1918326
The right term is actually "OSI certified Open Source Application" because the term "open source" was deemed to descriptive to be trademarkable and because other licenses exist that claim to be open-source without being OSI compliant.

See http://books.google.com/books?id=MOrWlmn_C5sC&pg=PA406

>Critics have said that the term "open source" fosters an ambiguity of a different kind such that it confuses the mere availability of the source with the freedom to use, modify, and redistribute it. Developers have used the alternative terms Free/open source Software (FOSS), or Free/Libre/open source Software (FLOSS), consequently, to describe open source software which is also free software.

>The term "open source" was originally intended to be trademarkable; however, the term was deemed too descriptive, so no trademark exists. The OSI would prefer that people treat open source as if it were a trademark, and use it only to describe software licensed under an OSI approved license.

>OSI Certified is a trademark licensed only to people who are distributing software licensed under a license listed on the Open Source Initiative's list.

and also
http://books.google.com/books?id=MOrWlmn_C5sC&pg=PA407

>Another example was Scilab prior to version 5, which called itself "the open source platform for numerical computation" but had a license that forbade commercial redistribution of modified versions. Because OSI does not have a registered trademark for the term "open source", its legal ability to prevent such usage of the term is limited, but Tiemann advocates using public opinion from OSI, customers, and community members to pressure such organizations to change their license or to use a different term.

In short, OSI does not have any rights on the "open source" term but is using propaganda to make people think he owns it.

What is this? Shilling extreme?

>>1918178
>>1918464

lastly, another article that better states what I was trying to explain:

http://www.theopenforce.com/2006/12/open_source_and.html

>Despite it's fancy sounding name, the OSI definition of open source is really an opinion. It's not an official standards body, it's not sanctioned by legislation, they do not have a trademark on the words "open source', and there are no requirements to adhere to it's definition. So anyone can call software open source without the OSI's approval.

>>1917935
>That top one

Holy shit I can plug in my famicom to my 42" and it looks absolutely fine.

>>1918000
You spammed the same post here: >>1917997

Just connect your PC to your TV. It's basically the same.

bump

>>1912445
>tfw I have a friend who bought a 170$ Earthbound copy, and plays it on a retron

>mfw I got Earthbound for 15$ and play it on my SNES Jr.

He's a special kind of idiot.

>>1918874
Are you still in contact with your friend? Could you ask him something from me? Why does he play video games.

>>1918889
I sent him a text, and he replied "because I ain't got anything else better to do most of the time"

People like this exist, and consider themselves apart of this hobby.

>>1918909
That's actually a reasonable response, too bad he actually meant to say "because I've got money up the ass and people said I should buy expensive hardware and carts to increase my nerd cred instead of playing them on my phone or something".

>>1918874
There's no excuse for the retron when he could have got a SNES Jr and rgb modded it.
But in fairness, if you live outside the US and want a copy of EB then you unfortunately have to pay eBay prices.

>>1918935
> But in fairness, if you live outside the US and want a copy of EB then you unfortunately have to pay eBay prices.

I live in mexico, and there is a "retro" game store not too far from my workplace, if i remember correctly, i think they have 2 or 3 copies of Earthbound for $15 (or less) each

>>1918957
What are you waiting for? Pick those up and sell them to dipshits in the US. I've seen it go for $180 as little as a few days ago.

The dumbass collectors on ebay will pay anything for that game.

>>1918968

I was planning to get an expansion pack, Zelda MM, DK64 and a couple of replacement sticks for my N64 controllers, if there is any Earthbound cart left, i will probably buy it

>>1918957
that's beautiful. i would wear that shit 24/7

>>1918968
Reseller pls

>>1918968
This is why I gonna make some 1:1 repros and scam some idiots.

THE RETRON ISN'T /vr/