/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1890375
Same game, different character.

>>1890375

At least he was happy since he was reunited with the blue chicken

Tales of Phantasia has one of them right at the beginning.

Legend of Gaia

Terranigma

>>1890384
That's kinda the same character, since he's the one who turned into a Stalfos.

His name was Kojira? I think he was the son of the master carpenter in Kakariko.

That was a pretty creepy moment. Here's another one from OoT, the soldier in the back alley of Hyrule Town.

>>1890441
Cojiro is the name of the Blue Cucco involved in the sidequest. The character was called Grog on Majora's Mask, dunno if he had a name on OoT.

>>1890404
HAH

>>1890375

the whole adult part is grim as fuck

even MM can't match it

>>1890404

>>1890626

Well, Majora's Mask isn't really as dark as Ocarina of Time. The initial premise? Some of the occasional side events? Sure. The overall theme and story? Not really dark at all.

>Arc the Lad 2
>torture room below the orphanage

>>1890893
i know its not really /vr/ but imo it fits perfectly in the thread.

I even tried to redo the quest for saving the guy, but talking to this bitch before, to get her a man, but the result was this again.:(

>>1890898
OoT's not that dark at all either. In fact, both of them aren't really as dark as people say. Anyways, how does a story being "dark" equate to it being good?

>>1890932

>>1890436
What were the dark moments in Terranigma? It's been forever since I last played it but I remember one scene sticking out to me that really disturbed me when I was younger. As in, whenever I try to remember the scene, all that comes to mind is some sort of deer and the word "disturbing"

>>1890992
The game had a couple of them. But yeah, the scene you mentioned was a bit grim, and it was a goat.

>inb4 Nanny Goat eating her dead husband and telling protagonist to skin him for warmth and eat him for sustenance
>inb4 returning to that place later in the game to find two skeletons, presumable hers and that of her husband
Terranigma had a few dark scenes.

>>1891040
Oh. I was late. >>1891005 & >>1890992 sorta beat me to it.

>>1890945
>how does a story being "dark" equate to it being good?
Nobody said that, anon.

>>1891045
Might as well admit that saying that was my mistake.

Live a live in general is pretty dark.

I mean, I think only the caveman chapter doesn't have a dark moment.

I must say that Kirby, of all games, made me scared when I was little...

>>1890441
the only guy killed by ganandorf.

the evilest of villians

>>1890384
That dude always creeped me out when I was a kid...

>>1890375
Monster Party.

>>1890404
hahhaha fuck

>>1891084
not unreasonable anon, kirby always has these randomly creepy out of place things thrown into it. usually the (final) final boss is like this.

>>1891057

I'm playing it now. Cowboy wasn't dark. Wrestler wasn't dark. Caveman isn't dark.

Haven't hit the others.

>>1890375
Suikoden

I bawled my eyes out, sad and completely brutal if you visualize what actually happened to him. Then finding nothing but a pile of clothes, no remains, man...

>Cubone - Lonely Pokémon
Wears the skull of its deceased mother. Its cries echo inside the skull and come out as a sad melody.

I always found some of the old Pokedex entries to be pretty grim when I was a younger as well as the original lavender town in general. It contrasts the super happy happy theme of the other cities

Ecco the dolphin also freaked me out a lot when I was in primary school

I wanna get to the creepy parts of Ecco the Dolphin but I'm stuck on the fucking "swim slowly past 8 arms" mission. Fuck you you piece of shit psychic dolphin.

>>1890404

FUCK YES

I just opened this thread to see if someone did this joke

I hope good things happen to you for the rest of the year

>>1891005
Yeah, I looked back at the scene. It looks pretty tame to me now but back then I'm pretty sure I had no concept of cannibalism so I can definitely see how that scene freaked me out so much. It's amazing what a simple BGM change and a few words can do to you.

>>1892413
Damn, I only played that game a few months ago and that was such a scary scene.

Obligatory Earthbound "It hurts..."

>>1891090
Nabooru does mention that he killed people in the past.

>>1891057
>>1892401
The dark part is the endgame. For a JRPG from that era, yeah it's really dark by that point.

I would definitely say that Majora's Mask is a damn dark game. You are teleported (?) into a world that is going to perish in flames in three days, and almost every npc is drowning in personal problems. The dekus want to put an innocent monkey into boiling oil because their princess is lost, the gorons are freezing and starving, the zoras fear they can't give the concert while the children of mikau and lulu are captured and about to be killed by pirates, and in the canyon a terrible war has passed where nearly all inhabitants, including children, died, but their souls are restless unable to find peace.
And then there are so many more npcs in clock town and around...
Do you remember the deku butler and his son? Romani and Cremai (at the very end)? Kafei and Anju?

I don't know any other Nintendo game that dealt with death and loss as directly as Majora's Mask.

Regarding pic: It's the last day, a few hours before the moon crashes and destroys the entire land. "Chaeau Romani" is treated like alcohol (there's even a milk bar only adults are allowed to enter).

>>1895172
>I don't know any other Nintendo game that dealt with death and loss as directly as Majora's Mask.


Mother 3.

Fighting this enemy, the Owl Knight, in Castlevania SOTN.

Killing either the knight or the owl will make the other one break down in despair, like they had a long history with each other, before you murder them too.

Maybe Castlevania games are kind of dark to begin with, but this kind of thing still breaks my heart.

I found the cafe/bar in Earthbound to be very unsettling compared to the rest of the game. I'm not sure what it is about it, the music helps though.

>>1895172
>see you tomorrow

>>1895491
It's the easiest place to see Giygas' influence on just everyday people as well as the location for one of the major deaths and Moonside
That place is creepy shit and I don't blame you for being more creeped out by it than the blue guys with a blue cow and funny pom poms on their hat

>>1891090
What were all those ReDeads in Castle Town then

>>1895505
>See you tomorrow!
Replaying Majora's Mask and understanding that scene for the first time really hit me
I just hung out in the ranch for the remainder of the cycle and reset it
Another situation like this is the sword trainer guy. He's in west clock town and on the final day he's hiding behind a counter weeping on and on about how he's never been afraid of anything before, but now he's afraid of death

>>1892438
Most of pokemon gen 1 and 2 had a pretty melancholy tone to them.

>>1895579
I have a feeling that was more due to graphical limitations than anything else.

>>1895579
I have a feeling that was more due to hardware limitations than anything else.

This and Youngtown were really really unsettling, especially in Tomato's translation of the M1+2

>>1895547
Go into the milk bar on the final day and talk to the owner. He'll say:

>...As you can see, all of our customers have taken refuge. It may be my undoing, but I'm the sort of fellow who'll stay at his business through thick and thin. And I continue standing here at the counter hoping one of my favorite customers will appear... And I wasn't wrong. See? You stopped in.

>>1893116
> It hurts...
> Not the Mu Training
Seriously, wtf

>>1895172
Majora Mask is both the Darkest Nintendo game and the best game of all times.

Let's not forget the whole Ikana Canyon thingy, the three mask made from people that died in front of you, creepy faces and music etc.

>>1897060
the first time i played it, years and years ago, i peed a little when the mask seller shook link

>>1897060
>Majora Mask is both the Darkest Nintendo game and the best game of all times.
oh boy oh boy
i hate N64 zeldababbies

>>1896993
God, fuck that scene. The fact that it just happens then is never mentioned again is so fucked up.

Can we talk about Secret of Evermore?

>>1890375

Ocarina of time and Majora's mask are honestly pretty dark and depressing games (Although with OoT you kind of have to infer and look into it a bit more)

I'd even have to say they have the most depressing Link as well, since he basically loses any sort of family and friends he's made

>>1897113
more info:

http://rainwoodworks..(spotofblogs).com/2010/09/secret-of-evermore-was-one-of-my.html

apparently blogspot is filtered so replace it,

>>1897086
Definitely the most unexpectedly dark thing in that game. I expected giygas to be a dark and intense battle. But the Mu training was out of left field. Really creeped me out.

>>1897060
>Majora Mask is both the Darkest Nintendo game
You best be shittin me

>>1897074
It's a common phrase thrown around, sure, but Majora's Mask actually IS the darkest Zelda game
Even Twilight Princess didn't talk about straight up dead people and it didn't have a depressing theme like Majora's Mask
Dunno if I'd say MM is the best Zelda game though, Twilight Princess or ALttP would probably be my pick

>>1897773
>but Majora's Mask actually IS the darkest Zelda game
Good job moving the goalpost

>>1892413
Honestly fuck Gremio, never liked his brown nosing ass, my only qualm was losing all the shit I had in his inventory

>>1895172
It was neither the darkest nor the best, but it was good, and it was dark.

And that pic.. It's like when I watched Meancholia. Holy fuck.

>>1895480

Same thing in the secret room on SCV IV.
When you kill the dog's ghost, the old man ghost will come close to it and start crying until both their souls vanish.
Truly heartbreaking seeing the old man crying for his doggy, I always try to pick up the health and some gold quickly and get out without killing the dog.

>>1897928
I'm with you on this. Gremio, maybe it was the brown nosing, or the fact that he wouldn't leave your party for anything, to stick to "Young Master" so he wouldn't get into trouble.

Then again, I hate the same feeling about Nanami from 2 and Lulu from 3.

>>1895172
That's kinda tame compared to Romani getting abducted by aliens. When you see her afterwards, her eyes are all fucked up and she keeps grabbing her head like the aliens messed with her brain. It's nightmarish.

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYb9kSCkjE8

>>1898852
I always found the smaller details nice; like the deku butler near the baby deku tree in the end credits - whereas in the game he talked of how his son went missing and you remind him of his son, or the fact that you never see Kafei when he's not a kid anymore (despite seeing Anju from a grown body in Kafei's perspective) - which when you look at the old theory was symbolism for how link never grew up.

>>1892438
>Parasect is based on a parasitoid fungus that has drained its host of all nutrients and taken control of its body, which in reality kills bugs and thrives on their corpses

Not even half as disturbing as it was as a kid.

>>1898957

>>1897415
>>1897074
>>1897917

I hate it when people just start fuming about something innocuous like this, but then don't post any examples of what they're talking about, as though the answer is completely obvious.

So anon, what sort of dark Nintendo games are there out there that put Majora's Mask to shame?

>>1897773
Twilight Princess is an objectively bad game.

Majora's Mask is not a dark game. It deals with 'Adult' themes, if you can call them that. Everyone is dealing with some form of death and/or loss in their own way and you're there to witness it. Even Link is dealing with loss; the whole reason for his journey was to find Navi. It's an interesting design decision for a Zelda game though, and it made a huge impression on a lot of people. But stop calling it dark. That's a loaded goddamned phrase.

>>1900790
>>1900859
Stop pissing against the wind.

WTF not dark in them? In MM, you not not only meat one-or two deaths, but a whole town/area is in the doorstep of extinction. And you confront with it every 3 day. Right at the beginning you meet malicious people, even who helps you, the mask seller is a bastard who dont cares if you live or die, and your partner, the fairy too.

>>1896993
The worst part is the music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdZOonbB3S0

I don't think the scene would have the same impact without it.

Also Earthbound ruined this song for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWR_qL_mxo0

>>1900859

I'd say the fact that the entire world you're in is always just a few days (or hours) away from death's doorstep is pretty dark, to say nothing of all the tragic backstory surrounding many of the NPC's. And then there's the music, most of which is quite bleak or tragic sounding.

>>1890375
>Unexpectedly dark moments in (retro) games
There are a lot of dark and gloomy moments in games but they shouldn't be unexpected.
Games shouldn't have been expected to be only for kids, and being at that for happy kids.
Vidya were expensive as shit at first and there was adult games since the first years of the industry, saying a game has any dark part at all isn't relevant in as a whole.

tl;dr dark moments are cool but not special, specially from Nintendo who always like to rustle the jimmies of the fans with shit like op's pic and then NEVER showing more, also in pokemon and practically every nintendo franchise ever.

>>1897120
>>1897113
Fuck yes we can talk about Secret of Evermore. I don't know why, but it's my favorite "RPG" of all time. Just hits a certain chord with the atmosphere, the music, and the companionship of a boy and his dog. Also posting best music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCqSHvyY_2I

>>1902269
>>1897113

Don't you see? We're characters in a vidyagaem!

>>1902269
Before I clicked on that I was hoping it was Collosia. SoE has so many great tracks, Horace's theme, Bluegarden's theme, Ivory & Ebony Tower, the boss theme. It's a shame it was so short.

>>1903521
They could have explored a lot of themes in SoE.

that part where the twins die in ff4

>>1904617
that's not dark at all

Is this a Zelda thread

>>1904694

The 7 posts before yours are about Zelda?

>>1900859

By the connotations of the "loaded goddamned phrase," it is, by all intents and purposes, a "dark" game. What makes it that is the stark directional difference from previous titles. Think of "dark" as a combination of "adult," "somber," and "unexpected." I know, I know, but I have to play devil's advocate.

Also, the word "adult" in describing art doesn't necessarily have to deal with the content so much as the delivery. I'd call it "adult" in the sense that the underlying metaphors are very natural (not contrived for a kid's show) and subtle (show, don't tell).

>>1895529
ReDeads are entirely magical beings - Navi says as much. It's why they always drop potions.

>>1899607
You posted a good example of it. The rape and murder of the sisters in the Forest Temple.

Alundra was really dark by moments. Going in people's nightmares, getting a new weapon every time someone died, killing the werewolf.
Great game.

>>1906136

I've played through OoT several times and have never seen anything that suggested this. The only remotely dark thing about the Poe Sisters (other than, obviously, them being ghosts) is how the purple one appears to weep before you fight her, presumably because you killed her other sisters (or sent them... wherever, since they're technically already dead).

The idea that they're victims of rape or whatever seems farfetched, like a really tryhard fan theory.

>>1908683
It's fairly obvious if you think about it a little bit. Poes are only created when the person dies in distress, the temple is in ruin after the war, the poes are particularly hostile towards Link who just happens to be male while letting Saria pass freely.
All the information is there, Nintendo games don't hold your hand with the lore.

>>1895172
The part that always bothered me about Majora's Mask was that you never felt a sense of accomplishment.

At least in OoT when I saved people they would normally stay saved. But in MM I was constantly reminded that the clock was reset every three days.
Yeah, in one area I make some people happy in three days.
But when I reset the time they are feeling just as shitty because I cant make all of them saved. So people I don't help die and I save a few of them at the end.
That one girl who is on the farm dies by aliums, and there's that guy who never becomes an adult. Does the toilet guy have his paper to wipe his ass with?

Fuckin' hell that's a depressing way to play a game.

>>1899607
I've always seen Metroid as the darker series.

>>1908702
>games don't hold your hand with the lore.

that can be used as an excuse to find speculative deep lore in every game

>>1908702
>the poes are particularly hostile towards Link who just happens to be male
There's no evidence that they're hostile BECAUSE he's male.
>while letting Saria pass freely
Implying. You do realize the sages are dead, right?

>the temple is in ruin after the war
What war?

>>1909135
>What war

Point and laugh ladies and gentlemen

>>1909163
So you're dodging the question? Guess that means you have no response.

>>1909187
Not him
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Hyrulean_Civil_War

TL;DR Civil war happened before OoT. I also remember a comic that implied that links treehouse is where is mother died.

>>1909163

Not him either, but the war that's implied to have happened before the game takes place seems so distant from the rest of the game, and I think it's a little silly to try and put together fan theories like the Poe Sisters being victims of rape or whatever based on stuff that's already extremely loosely fit into the game.

Usually when I play old games I just assume most of the minute, cryptic things are just the result of the developers wanting some particular aesthetic or what have you because it looked cool.... Not that all fan theories are bogus, or stupid, but a lot of them just make the games they relate to seem far more thought out and complex than they actually are.

>>1909659
Exactly this.
>Forest Temple
>Well it'd be cool if it was HAUNTED. And you know maybe the player has to defeat the ghosts to access the lower floor

I am 100% certain they went with "Rule of Cool" then some cryptic bullshit about women being raped and turned into ghosts

>>1895172
I played MM when I was younger and a part that always stuck with me for some reason was finding the (otherwise brave and boastful) sword school trainer curled up in fear during the last few minutes of the last day.
>>1895547


There was no purpose in finding him and it was pretty much just an easter egg, but accidentally stumbling across a frightened, broken man was pretty heavy stuff for what was purportedly a game for kids.

>>1898852
Yeah, that was fucking creepy.
Her dialogue implies she pretty much got lobotomised or something to that effect

>>1908702
Please stop letting Tumblr color your opinions or thoughts about video games. Not every hostile female was raped.

>potentially interesting thread
>nothing but /v/-tier posts about how dark Zelda is

>>1909809
>potentially interesting thread

Naw, these type of threads always turn out to be circlejerking about how DARK and MATURE Nintendo games are.

>>1909809
>>1909824

It's a thread about unexpectedly dark things in games that are otherwise pretty kid-friendly and lighthearted. Nintendo games are typically kid-friendly and lighthearted, and many of them contain some unexpectedly dark things, so therefore these kinds of threads will largely be about Nintendo games.

What would you expect the thread to be about, anyway?

>>1909824
>Naw, these type of threads always turn out to be circlejerking about how DARK and MATURE Majora's Mask is.

ftfy

>>1902269
was't all the music done by a 19 year old or somthing?

>>1890375
>That spiky ceiling crushing Banjo and Kazooie in Gobi Desert

>>1909809
>>1909824
Way to contribute to the thread.

>>1909721
She looks high as fuck

>>1895172
What about the chicken farm, where all the little cucco chicks are gonna die, so you need to play the marching song so they become adults to cheer up Grog?

Get's me everytime. Amazing game.

>>1909703

Not that I support the "Poe sisters were raped" theory, but I don't think it matters what the developers' intent was when they put this thing or that thing there. People are free to come up with creative intepretations based on what is put forth in the game.

>>1912082
Sometimes I'm amazed at the color palettes British PC gamers put up with in the '80s

>>1909769
lol
>>1909163
>>1909257
>>1909659
I didn't think that the war had anything to do with the Temples, though? I mean, in OoT, from what I remember, Rauru says something like Ganon filled the Temples with evil once he entered the sacred realm and then the sages go and try to remove the evil. We've met Darunia, Nabooru and Ruto in Temples, and it has been mentioned that Impa had gone to the Shadow Temple. So, surely whatever evil that was in the Temples came from Ganon? Basically, what I'm asking is was the war actually supposed to have any lasting effects on the land, and Temples, or is it all meant to have stemmed from Ganon's take over?
>>1912049
I do agree, so long as people aren't adamant that their theory is supposed to be part of the lore, if the evidence is tenuous.