/vr/ - Retro Games

Can't quite afford the 100 bucks at the moment but flash carts are really the way to go. It's really a must have for anyone that just wants to play the games rather than collect and store them in their manchild nerd caves that no one else ever sees.

I have an N8 and an EZ-Flash IV. Can't decide what to grab next, either an SNES or Genesis flashcart...

flashcarts don't give me that warm and fuzzy nostalgic feeling I get from being a collectorfag. if it was just about playing games pure and simple, I'd just emulate everything.

except certain N64 games, that is.

>>1876448

Go SNES, you will get more joy out of it. Unless you are a sucker for schmups, then Genesis is your better bet.

There's also an everdrive for the GB and GBC, works great on the GBA.

>The price might be high, but can that really compared to what you get.
Something that's inferior to emulating for free on my computer?
For most of those consoles I only play a handful of games anyway so even buying those games could be cheaper than buying a piracy device.

i play on an emulator because i can map buttons as i want on my preferred controller and the RF or composite video makes my eyes bleed. yea you can mod some consoles to output rgb or use s-video if available, but still... i don't have the room for ten consoles and have long sold my consoles (except saturn and dreamcast).

everdrive is like a weird middleman. you're not a collectorfag, but you're also not just emulating.

I never sold any of my old consoles, so what I already own is what I play on the actual console, and if I see a really good deal on something I'll buy it. But everything else I'll just emulate. I can't justify paying 30+ dollars for an old game and I can't justify paying 100-200 bucks per flashdrive per console either when you can emulate.

Love my 64drive and SNES Powerpak. PP is a bit older, but does the job. I think it's awesome that Banjo Tooie got cracked. Is that 100% compatibility now with N64 flashcarts?

Looking into getting an everdrive GB next.

>>1876439

But OP, I do!

I'm considering one for the N64 since of the cart systems its the one that emulates poorly. Though weird errors may be worth it to use a controller that isn't shit.

Posting asvi accidentally binned my doughnut and butter finger
i have a gba flash cart, and i love it so. Fuck buying games anyway, always pirate if you can. Exceptions - everything bar pc isos noeadays

>>1876472
>inferior to emulating
u wot

>>1876454
I was leaning towards a Genesis one, only because I have a handful of SNES carts I enjoy, and never really grew up playing on a Genesis, and I do like shmups. Then again, I only own an RF only model 3 Genesis so I'm conflicted.

>>1876501
it's a good compromise, imo

there's something about playing one the original hardware that just more fun (CRT looks better, no savestates, no computer distractions, original controller), but i have no interest in paying current retro prices, so yeah, flashcarts seem like the way to go

>>1876623
He may use other controllers, resolution mods, faster load times, or forced AA. Depends on what you emulate and what you prefer, but sometimes it is true.

Every time I want to play any game made for a system, I think about getting a flashcart for that system.

I then remember that I have a RPi emulation console that I already don't have time to play. Buying a flashcart isn't going to create time in my life for old games any more than building an emu box did. Then I get sad and realise I'll be late for work if I think about games any longer.

>>1876447
>needing people to see your collection
>not having $100 to spare
>projecting your fears of being labelled a manchild nerd

I hope you realise where you're posting. Maybe lurk a while because you're bumming everyone out with that tired, self-hating attitude.

did >>>/r9k/ come back? Maybe take it over there.

>>1876678
Why would you get bummed out? Nothing wrong with embracing your nerdy collector hobby as long as you accept that's what it is.

My Wii hooked into my CRT does good with emulation, except N64.
I would rather have the cartridges because I'm a huge faggot like that.

>>1876647
I find that emulation is only really superior in 5th generation and later full 3-D games that can really benefit from being displayed at a higher resolution with some nice shaders. Nothing inherently wrong with emulating older games, but playing them on the original hardware is nice.

>>1876439
Because I enjoy scrounging flea markets and yard sales haggling for good prices for good games. What's that line from Jurassic Park, "T-rex doesn't want to be fed, he wants to hunt", something like that.

>>1876439
I still have my collection of games since childhood, so I already own most of the games I want to play. Anything I don't have, I just emulate. I'd definitely invest in flash carts if I was starting from nothing, though.

Didn't SNES carts have tons of different specialized chips soldered to the boards? How do SNES flashcarts handle that?

>>1876636
Don't get me wrong, Genesis is great but I would bump up to model 1 or 2 instead of 3. 1 may be the better choice, but 2 wont be a disappointment in the long run.

On another positive note, the mega everdrive will also let you run master system games as well, so you get more out of it as well.

In the end I would still pick the SD2SNES if I can only get one, but that is subjective to me.

Always know that you can wait between purchases. I got my SD2SNES over a year ago, I just got my Mega Everdrive a day ago.

Plus waiting really lets you know if you want, having that itch for over a year confirmed it for me. I've been loving Mega Man 1,2,3 in 16bit so far.

>>1876439
Considering getting one they seem a bit expensive though

>>1876641
Mega Everdrive allows for save states. Not the others though. Most also carry a game genie feature as well.

I like having a collection. Same reason why I buy CDs as opposed to just downloading the music.

Now, the Virtual Boy's flashcart on the other hand is the one I'd consider getting. Mainly for homebrew and/or Virtual Bowling.

>>1876796
SD2SNES incompatibility list
http://sd2snes.de/blog/compatibility

The super everdrive has a longer list as it is missing the DSP chip. The most notable games that wont work are mega man x2 and x3 and pilotwings.


Some games get hacked/patched so that it can work without its chip like Star Ocean.

>>1876815
yeah, they are expensive. But depending at where you collection sits at, it may be worth it. You just have to weigh your want v price. If your only looking to play like 5 games, then it might not be a good to get it. On the other hand, if you want to play certain games that are just too expensive to buy in cart form along with others, then it may be a better choice.

One thing I like is the fact that I can play many translated games or good hacks. I loved playing zelda outlands on NES, it's a great experience to play the "new" on the old.

And depending on what system you have, then you might have more incentive. N8 evrdrive for NES will let you play FDS roms with auto flipping. So with just your NA NES, you can now play the whole FDS library without need of a disk system.

>>1876852
A bit worried about them working in my pal consoles too as im guessing they are primary made for the Ntsc consoles

>>1876682
I do embrace my hobbies and I'm not ashamed of them, which is why I don't care to read posts from folks saying things like

>manchild nerd cave

In fact, reading it back it might have been a joke and I might have reacted poorly. Disregard me, I am the faggots.

I just have the following:

Everdrive N8 (NES version) (image related)
Turbo Everdrive
Mega Everdrive (the expensive one that works as a Sega CD ram cart)
TopToyDS (not retro, not good, just works for the most part)

I do not regret for buying any of these at all. Being able to play homebrews and GOOD hacks on an actual console is awesome. Also seeing what all the INFINIDOLLARS games play like outside of an emulator with a Dual Shock pad is nice as well.

>>1876864
Just a bit of self-deprecating humor. If I had the money and resources, I'm sure I'd have a room full of useless, collectible /vr/ stuff to lounge around in.

>>1876439
I already have all the games I want on Chinese >9000 in 1 carts I picked up for a few bucks at the flea market. I don't see the point in paying a lot of money to make by own.

>>1876860
Nope. The guy who makes everdrive is based in Ukraine and does his work on PAL consoles.

retrogate is the web site you should buy from as that is the creators site. He also has a forum for support on all the flash carts he makes/sells.

Except SD2SNES which is made by another guy but has close ties to retrogate which means you can buy it there as well. It's also the cheapest place to buy them.

>>1876894

Fuck yeah we would. I like collecting but the ability to play any game you want whenever you want is pretty godly.

Not retro, but I finally got around to making a FreeMCBoot card for my PS2 so my games can sit on shelves and I can play backups.

For anybody who thinks that flash carts are inferior to the real deal, try to tell which is which.

https://youtu.be/FPTGAxPbVbk

No, I don't remember, and I forgot on purpose, only remembering that I inverted the title and description word ordering so no one could use either as a clue.

>>1876439
>WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A FLASHCART?

1. because I only have 5-10 favourite/regularly played games for any machine that uses a cart, I can buy most of them for the price of a flashcart.
2. I have a ROM programmer and some soldering tools, it would be cheaper to just buy a donor cart and put socketed eeproms on it. Flash carts cannot beat THAT level of compatibility.
3. the system I'm most interested in is optical and has no SD loader (yet).

I do have a derpcart somewhere but no Gameboy.

>>1876973
>For anybody who thinks that flash carts are inferior to the real deal, try Pokemon

>>1876978
>programmer and some soldering tools
100% this. You don't even need donor carts nowadays. PCB layouts, CIC code, etc are readily available.

>>1877003
>You don't even need donor carts nowadays. PCB layouts, CIC code, etc are readily available.

Manufacturing a clone cart may cost more than a donor cart, I think. PCB construction comes out to something like 10-20$ minimum last time I checked (may be more), but I can grab some junk cart for 2-3$ easily. Then slap on some sockets to it and start burning eproms.

However I'm not familiar with all the lockout chip bullshit that Nintendo was doing with their carts, plus all the carts that had extra hardware. Sega carts were mostly just a rom and 1-2 caps, and maybe some battery + ram in there. Not counting Virtua Racing, that was what they did with every title.

>>1877003
>try Pokemon

Why would I replay a dull pseudo-RPG?

>>1876439
To be honest... I don't know. I /want/ to want them. It's more economically efficient. I have 2 R4 carts and an EZ-Flash IV, and I love them. But I just can't want any of the Everdrives, for whatever reason. Maybe it's because all 3 of my current carts, plus extra uSDs, cost less than one Everdrive. Maybe it's because the convenience of having every game on one cart is much more important for handhelds than consoles. Maybe it's because I am lucky enough to still have the bulk of my childhood collection in tact. I don't really know.

Don't understand why they're so expensive though. Maybe they honestly are expensive to produce. Maybe they're just banking on retro bubble refugees looking for alternatives. If they start dipping below $50 apiece I will probably buy one for each console I own.

>>1877021
>Maybe they honestly are expensive to produce.

They're not made by Chinese slaves in the tens of thousands like most electronic components and devices people take for granted, so they're expensive.

>>1876439
because I have reservations about pirating games. If I didn't, I wouldn't have bothered to buy the console in the first place, I'd just emulate everything.

Also, I usually don't knwo what I want until I come upon it for a (perceived) deal at a shop, so... I like the thrill of the hunt?

>>1876439
I already have one for SNES and plan to get one for Genesis and N64, I am on the fence about the TG16 I just recently learned this console existed and the whole different versions sorta scare me from getting into it.

>>1877095
Do it. Nothing says you cannot still collect the authentic games. Fuck paying reseller prices, though.

>>1877137
>I am on the fence about the TG16 I just recently learned this console existed and the whole different versions sorta scare me from getting into it.

The Turbo Everdrive has a switch on the side to change between TG16 and PCE modes. You're golden. Check the HIIIIIGH RESOLUUUUUUUTION image I uploaded.

>>1876889

>>1876796
you can't play :
Kirby 3
Mario RPG
Megaman X 2 and 3
Mario Kart
Pilot Wing
Super FX racer
Yoshi's Island

and I think thats about it.

>>1876978
>3. the system I'm most interested in is optical and has no SD loader (yet).


Sega Saturn ?

>>1876439
I'm thinking of buying an EZ flash IV.
is it possible to connect a GBA with the game boy camera to a GBA with a flashcart with the game boy camera rom, exchange photos, then get the rom into my PC, use kiGB (only gb emulator to support the gb camera rom) and get the photos?
really I need to know of getting a gb camera is worth it or not.

>>1877140
>Kirby 3
>Mario RPG
>Megaman X 2 and 3
>Mario Kart
>Pilot Wing
why? mode 7 isn't hardare.

After wanting Earthbound forever and just recently discovering the existence of Ghoul Patrol, I have decided to finally get a Super Everdrive. I figure if I'm going to drop $80 on 1 cart I may as well go all the way.
Unfortunately they're all on backorder but I figure its worth the wait and money since they come so highly recommended.

>>1877157
No, but from what I understand, the extreme amount of calculations that those games required for their particular Mode 7 effects demanded an additional processor chip.

>>1877015
It will only cost that much is you're trying to replicate an original cart using pin compatible parts. If you use modern parts the most expensive thing you could make would be a SNES cart with save which would run about $6. A Genesis or TG cart would cost half that. By the time you find, ship, mod a donor cart I don't think you've really saved much if anything.

>>1877139
thankfully, I've never had to pay these "reseller prices" I keep hearing about. I always buy from shops I know or thrift shops and garage sales, usually $5, never more then $20.

>>1877157
All of those games have enhancement chips. I imagine that's the reason, not Mode 7.

>>1877207
I live in an area that used to be rich with game stuff, but now... Ugh. The reseller baron has a veritable army of cronies he uses to scour the lands clean of vidya. No man with a day job can match his tireless efforts to claim all that the sun touches. I'm being dramatic, but it's true. Eastern Ohio and Western PA are basically deadzones, with a few good game shops dotted around.

Still, I paid $35 for Super Fucking Metroid, not $15. Reseller prices.

>>1877193
but pilotwings was literally the first mode 7 game.
any sources?

I'm too poor right now but I plan on getting one to play beta, translated, unreleased games in the future. Maybe some hacks too

What kind of faggot doesn't buy the games they play? your taking money out of developers mouths by not buying the cartidges you stupid fucks

>>1877245
I smiled

guys how much are gameboy cameras supposed to cost? the only one in my area is going for 20 dollars.
this is awful. I live in chile and all prices are fucking insane (seriously 40 fucking USD for a gameboy camera? fuck no) and what's worse, shipping is like 60 dollars so shipping one from ebay is fucking impossible.
should I buy this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Game-Boy-Pocket-Pocket-camera-Pocket-Printer-game-boy-cable-Boxed-/161397763250?pt=US_Video_Game_Motion_Sensors_Cameras&hash=item25940e6cb2

expensive

>>1877272
or this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CAMERA-NINTENDO-GAMEBOY-BRAND-NEW-/370630049728?pt=UK_VideoGames_VideoGameAccessories_VideoGameAccessories_JN&hash=item564b45bfc0

>>1877272
save up and get of chile obviously

>>1877285
I'm doing that already.
but holy shit is the old part of Valparaiso beautiful. the glimmering sea, the victorian housing, the leaning wooden elevators used to climb the mountains, the murals painted retelling recent history. shit makes me cry a little.
I'm making an horror game about it.

>>1877157
>mode 7 isn't hardare
DSP-1 is though

>>1877406
As is the SA-1, which knocks out SMRPG and the Kirby games.

>>1877406
>>1877432
just googled it, thanks, I didn't know these existed.
this kind of explains why these games were never supported in snesadvance, that emu could barely play the most basic games with no sound.
http://www.zophar.net/consoles/gameboy/snes/snes-advance.html
this emu is actually one of the reasons I'm buying a flashcart

>>1876439
I have plenty
EDFC
Master Everdrive
Mega Everdrive
EDGB
EZ-Flash IV
Acekard 2i
Supercard DSTWO
Gateway 3DS

Going to get an SD2SNES, EDGG, and ED64 v3 once it comes out. Still need to get a PC-Engine though.

>>1877140
okay, that's a deal breaker for me. USB snes controller and saving myself $100 it is then!

>>1877453
A better choice would be a USB SNES adapter considering you still have the original controllers.

if you have a 32X game loaded into a flash cart, does it need the actual 32X?

>>1877469
Yes

>>1877469
Yes, because the game is expecting the extra hardware the 32x provides.

>>1877469
you're not missing much by not owning one, though
only 50 released games and most of them run at 10 fps

>>1877472
>>1877480
I'm wondering if that "Sonic in Chaotix" hack would work if loaded into a flash cart

>>1877272
>supposed to cost?
No idea what that's even supposed to mean but for reference I paid $5 for a CIB one and $1 for a loose one

I'm waiting for sag to build my edgb.
Waiting...

>>1877514
sorry, ridiculous prices make me lose my grip on the english language, also, it's fucking 2 AM here.
I've been trying to set up the gba development tools

Can someone clear this up for me about flashcarts?

Since you aren't really emulating and using the console hardware, how does the flash cart handle games that required special chips that were only in the game cart like StarFox on the SNES. There are quite a few games that had special chips in the cartridge itself to help process the games.


How do flashcarts get around this?

>>1877518
by having those chips

>>1877518
flashcarts that support these chips just have a copy of each chip inside.

>>1877521
>>1877520

So could you mod an existing game to make it run better? Take Street fighter alpha 2 for the SNES.

It has loading times because of the sprite compression. It uses the SDD1 chip to decompress data on the fly. Would there be a way to add a second SDD1 chip to get rid of loading times? Or maybe even a SPC7110 that was also used for data decompression?

I mean has anyone tried modding an existing cartridge to increase performance?

>>1877541
16-bit games are coded in assembly, right?
Wouldn't you have to modify the game code to take advantage of the new hardware?

I have heard of people overclocking some SNES chips for less slowdown in Starfox, though.

>>1877452
>ED64 v3
>supports save backup without hitting reset

eh... already used to doing this with other carts anyway

>save-enabled games don't skim some KBs off the top of the 64MB flash, leaving all 64MB available for rom loading

No released save-enabled games are even that big.

>RTC

Not many people would play Animal Forest. Cool to know it'll be there though. Meanwhile Pokemon is extremely popular and the EDGB has no RTC...

Some interesting refinements but I guess I'll stick with my v2.

>>1877518
>How do flashcarts get around this?

They don't. They either have scavenged chips installed or they rely on an FPGA to replicate the chip's functionality. In both cases it's not currently possible to support all expansion chips.

>>1877541
>Would there be a way to add a second SDD1 chip to get rid of loading times? Or maybe even a SPC7110 that was also used for data decompression?

The game isn't programmed to support any of this and wouldn't know what to do.

>>1877571
I would too if I already had one but I figure why not since I don't. I tend to use clock patches for things like Pokemon, though I don't really play Pokemon too much in general.

>>1877157
The problem is all the special proprietary chips in those games that emulators often have trouble with:

Mario RPG and Kirby have the SA-1 chip
Megaman X2 and X3 have the CX4 chip
Super Mario Kart and Pilotwings have the DSP-1 chip
Yoshi's Island has the Super FX 2 chip

>>1876814
>On another positive note, the mega everdrive will also let you run master system games as well, so you get more out of it as well.
It can also boot 32x games and Sega CD BIOS images, and the USB port is fantastic for loading homebrew (starts/resets in under 1 second).

Are there any NES flashcarts with savestates? It would be nice to be able to save my progress on games without batteries

>>1877484
Gimme the ROM and I can try.

>>1877541
>Would there be a way to add a second SDD1 chip to get rid of loading times? Or maybe even a SPC7110 that was also used for data decompression?
You'd already need to go in with a disassembler and start hacking up the game's programming to make use of it. At that point, I'd probably just opt for a different, modern coprocessor (assuming this is its only task). Or, since you'd have already reverse-engineered the compression system and the decompression routines entirely, just store the data uncompressed.

>>1877541
If compression is causing the load times it seems to me getting rid of it all together would be a simpler approach now that an extra few MB of data would cost fuck all to store.

whenever someone tells me they liked a game, and they didn't use the original cartridge and console, do you know what I say to them?

I say "how do you know you like it? You haven't played it."

And they haven't. They've played a bit of programming attempting to replicate what the game is.

>>1880071
>tfw there are people who believe this

>>1880071
oh no, it's officially pasta now...

fuck, we /v/ now

>>1876439
anyone who doesn't have a flashcart is a plebian-tier collectorfag consumerwhore. I hope one day you can ascend from sub-humanity and accomplish something

>>1876450
>>1876754


also anyone who complains about them being expensive is fucking retarded. First of all you're getting the entire library of games for said console. Second they are handmade, self-RND. Worth every penny

People who don't flashcart don't play games, or are extreme nostalgia fags who only play their old carts.

>>1880071
I KNOW, tell me about it right! it's like those people who hear a new song on the radio and they say they like it. it's like, HELLO! Did you even see the band preform it live... No.... Then how do you know you could like that song when all you heard was a bit of programming attempting to replicate what the band is.

>>1880071

oh my lord you took the words right outta my mouth ;) now let me put your dick in it

>>1876439
Because I'd rather emulate everything so the beast that is my computer can play all games while eliminating any slowdown caused by playing those games on the original hardware.

>>1880683
sounds like buyer's remorse for your mustard race box

>>1880692
>Man I love playing games on my PC lag free
>HAHA YOU MUST HATE YOUR PC *CRIES INTERNALLY*

Sounds like you're the sad one. How does it feel playing at 10 fps and paying out the ass to do so?

>>1880683
Any good emulator will emulate slowdown. Stop using shit emulators.
>>1880697
>10 FPS
Unless you're a europoor, the fact that they run at 60Hz means we get 60 fps by default.

Go home, >>>/v/

>>1880697
>10 fps
>paying out the ass

you must be new .

>>1880751
>60hz=60fps

>>1880683
how much did ur PC cost dawg??

>>1880776
60hz = 60 crammable frames in one second in progressive mode

>>1880751
>Any good emulator will be shit like the console

lol no faggot. Any good emulator will maintain cycle accuracy while allowing your computer to beast mode and eliminate what slowdown there was.

If you're some kind of autist faggot, then I guess you might consider slowdown good because it's "authentic".

I bet you also like shitting in the woods and using leaves to wipe your ass while making fire by rubbing two sticks together because it's "authentic".

>>1880804
>Any good emulator will maintain cycle accuracy
>eliminate what slowdown there was

About that...

>>1876439
>tfw I want an Everdive 64 but my reset button just wont work and I don't know why.

>>1881004
Did you try opening it up?

>>1881004
Same with my N64. Curious. I'll pop mine open and look for any obvious damage.