/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1867172
Have the NDS enhanced remake?
It adds new levels and features.

I like it a hell of a lot more than Galaxy. A few people on /v/ masturbate to the Galaxy games and I can't see the appeal.

But I can't put my finger on what 64 does better. I think it's easier to keep your momentum going because you don't have to stop and teleport.

I, also, wish there was more levels; but, I also wish there was more exploration of the castle allowed.

I think the DS version had more levels and more areas; but, it could've been limited due to the technology of the time -- so, I can't fault the game.

>>1867178
>enhanced
Yeah, no. It looks and it controls like crap. Mario's "friends" can go fuck themselves for all I care. If it ain't broken, don't try to fix it. 64 DS is a travesty.

>>1867197

I totally feel ya man. I appreciate what they were going for but a lot of the mechanics just felt unecessary and took away from the tight platforming. Have you tried 3D World yet? They really nailed the fast paced platforming and I feel it's the best 3D Mario to date. It definitely feels like the true evolution of the 2D games.

It's a good game. Some people will tell you it's unplayable because of the camera but that's a joke. I've never died once because of the camera, although it does do strange things once in a while.

>>1867215
With the 3DS it controls a lot better.

>>1867221
>because of the camera
What? The camera was kinda crap in Sunshine, and only some times. Here in 64 it was perfectly fine.

the DS remake is shit. worse graphics, worse controls, forcing you to play as yoshi and other shitty fucking mario characters, and all the extra content is shit.

Camera in 64 is acceptable if you don't mess with it too much. It tends to stick to fixed angles most of the time.

>>1867229

>forces you to play as yoshi

Worst fucking offence right here. Right next to removing Mario's peace sign.

Seriously though, if you really want to play SM64 on the go and have a 3DS it's not so bad.

>>1867224
It's still digital and controls like shit. Even the touch screen controls with that shitty nub that came with the original DS are better.

There is maybe two points in the game where the camera becomes an issue and that's inside the volcano and inside the pyramid. These are minor and anyone complaining about the camera as a detraction from the game is just being a contrarian, fanboy, or in college for videogame design and desperately trying to justify their poor life choices.

>>1867240
It's true though. If I wanted to play as Yoshi or Wario, I'd be playing a Yoshi or a Wario game, not fucking Super MARIO 64. If you're gonna be stupid and shoehorn them in a game that's not made for them at least have the decency of making them optional.

I assume the people complaining about the camera are modern gamers that are used to a completely unlocked camera.

>>1867263
I got this game about 4 months after launch and I still complain about the camera.

Game could use a re-release that involves the use of a second stick. It was the best they could do with that controller, but it can be done better.

>>1867263
There was a whole thread recently trashing a guy who said the camera was the worst thing in the world. /vr/ knows what's good.

>>1867268
>/vr/ knows what's good.

no. /vr/ is just as shit as /v/ in that it thinks everything is bad.

>>1867269
Well, if you learned how to distinguish between knowledgeable adults and shitposting kids you would see that's not true.

I've never had a problem with the camera that said I'm not shit at video games like most of 4chan and I'm also not a picky bitch like most of 4chan.

Go play actual garbage shovelware games with legit bad camera angles/controls before you judge SM64.

>>1867279
>if you learned how to distinguish between knowledgeable adults and shitposting kids
What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you seriously think you can do that on 4chan?

Also believe it or not, but most of the shitposters on 4chan, including the video game boards, are adults.

>>1867284
Calm down, kid. Just because you've been here for a short while doesn't mean you know everything.

I beat the N64 version emulated on pc with a keyboard in 2008, and the DS one last year on a 3DS.
The controls of the DS remake are so bad that it was easier to control Mario on the keyboard.


I think Mario 64 is a masterpiece. The controls are perfect, the great thing about the game is that it is a 3D game and you have complete control over the character's movement, the game never autoplays for you as it happens in most 3d games who have autojumping, or lock on, or auto aiming.

I would buy a remake of the game with new graphics, and a second analogue stick that controls the camera, but the ds version ruined the controls, and the extra playable characters thing was done badly because sometimes you could get stuck, because you can't get all stars with all characters.

>>1867229
This. A lot of people seemed to like it, but I really couldn't get into it.

I remember some kids at school talking down on it at the time, but I never agreed. mario 64 is pure fun. it's not perfect and the camera can be a bitch at times, but its got tons of variety and plays well. it also really established what you can do with 3d gaming.

>>1867221
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>>1867281
Rose tinted nostalgia goggles.

>>1867648
Sure, all of us must be wrong. I wish I could replay games to form a current opinion but that's impossible, isn't it?

>>1867659
I don't mind if you like the game but it has flaws, pretending it doesn't is just delusional.

>>1867663
Nobody you quoted said the game, or the camera was flawless. The camera is archaic and sometimes unpleasant, but it's not bad enough to affect gameplay.

Maybe you should look up some reading comprehension lessons.

>>1867665
>it's not bad enough to affect gameplay
You're wrong. 3D platforming relies on what direction you jump in and the camera plays a big role in that.

All early 3D games had a bad camera like that, SM64 happens to be slightly better than most of them. From a modern perspective the camera seems awfully primitive. So what?

I replayed the whole game recently and I was surprised how well most of it holds up. There are rough spots where you can tell they had no idea what they were doing going in, pioneering true 3D platforming and all that. But it's shockingly good for such an early attempt.

>>1867665
>not bad enough to affect gameplay
I love how kids that believe that obsessing over a game long enough to get good at dealing with its major flaws means the game's flaws aren't still horrible.

I got fucking awesome at 2600 E.T. back in the day. But unlike you Mario 64 kids, I would never pretend that the game is anything but complete shit.

>>1867670
>>1867673
>having to get good with MK64 camera

Guess what? It's literally no problem. If you have trouble controlling Mario in the game that says more about you than the game or anyone who likes the game.

>>1867673
>I love how kids that believe that obsessing over a game long enough to get good at dealing with its major flaws means the game's flaws aren't still horrible.
There are no major flaws to deal with in order to play the game. This is a kid's game, what are you even talking about? I didn't think about the camera when I bought it and I don't think about it now either.

>>1867686
>I-It's not a flaw... it's a feature!

>>1867706

You're whining about how bad the camera is but everyone here is saying how it didn't bother them. What's your point? Nobody is saying the camera is good but it's not worth complaining about either.

>>1867713
It's not whining when the camera makes the game nearly unplayable. A difficult camera is a flaw not an achievement.

>>1867717

The camera is terrible and if you played a modern platformer for 5 minutes you would realize it.

It was one of the first 3D platformers but it's far from the best.

>>1867717
Are we really going to have this thread again. You got fucking anally raped in the last Mario 64 thread, give it up.

nearly unplayable? Ok.

>>1867648
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>>1867738
samefag

>>1867743
I wasn't in the last thread but my point still stands.

>>1867753
>my point still stands
>didn't do anything to support his point
Nah. It's definitely you.

>>1867754
>camera is bad
>everyone agrees it's bad
Point proven.

>>1867757
Everyone also agrees it's nowhere near enough to prevent the game from being fun. But, let's do this again. Go through all your shoddy evidence about how you're incapable of playing a game designed for children so we can tear through it again.

>>1867751
Well, that's obvious. wtf lol

Wait so you think it's actually this guy? Because that would make 2 threads I've torn him apart in.

>>1867759
Just because you can tolerate it does not mean the flaw doesn't exist.

>>1867757
Yes. But somehow you're the only one who has trouble playing a kid's game with a bad camera.

Maybe you should have brushed up your skills on COD before taking on such a hard game.

>>1867770
You haven't torn because there's a reason SM64 camera didn't become the industry's standard.

>>1867772
Nobody is denying that it exists you miserable waste of flesh

>>1867773
All video games are designed for children.

>>1867783

And you still can't play them.

I think it's safe to say that the camera is flawed, but it's not gamebreaking. it's a weakness in a game that is overall fun and a very decent pioneer in 3d gaming.

>>1867776
You're trying to downplay it and sweep it under the carpet like it just doesn't exist.

>>1867793
This is what I've been trying to say. I think it's worth discussing in case there's ever a remake for SM64.

>>1867794
Nobody cares that it exists except you. It's clearly a problem for you and not for other people. Where is the argument here?

Here we go

>>1867806
It's a problem for everyone and it's room for improvement.

>>1867820
Room for improvement in a game that's 20 years old. Imagine that. You really have nothing to say, friend.

>>1867827
We can judge the game outside of age.

>>1867827

on top of that, as I said it was a pioneer. naturally it's not going to be perfectly polished when they were doing something new.

>>1867839
"It's new" isn't an excuse for having bad gameplay.

>>1867839
That makes sense but just it's 20 years old doesn't give it a free pass from criticism.

>>1867843

except that there's nothing bad about the gameplay.

I honestly believe Nintendo brainwashed everyone into believing this game is somehow good.

It's the only explanation for everyone loving such an objectively fundamentally flawed game.

>>1867843
>>1867845

Nobody is excusing it from criticism. Every single person who plays the game knows that the camera needed improvement. And cameras have indeed been improved since because it's been 20 goddamn years.

>>1867851
Or, you know, you're wrong and have a problem with your ego. You should see someone about that.

Let's analyze the timeline, shall we?

>nintendo's new console is coming and miyamoto is working on a new mario game
>in development it plays like New Super Mario Bros will years later
>everyone else has their console out and nintendo is about to be left in the dust
>miyamoto is hurried and pressured into making a true 3d game against his wishes
>nintendo forces everyone to like it by paying off reviewers and overhyping it and marketing it to new gamers that don't know any better
>zelda comes out in 3d and has a simple camera correction button and autojump which were two major problems in mario 64, basically an ADMITTAL these were problems
>two more 3d mario games come out with tweaks trying to solve the fundamental problems with 64
>"fuck it, i'm making the game I originally wanted"
>NSMB released

Proof Mario 64 was bad even in its creators eyes.

>>1867851
Maybe people actually play games and find enjoyment in them instead of letting their mental problems get in the way of that, like you seem to be doing.

>>1867862
>>1867870
What ego? I'm telling you there are objective, known problems in SM64 that can be demonstrated to anyone.

People that can't see them have the ego/mental problems.

>>1867870
I played SM64 and enjoyed it but I want to express my desire to see it do even better.

>>1867865
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>1867876
Well that was fast, as soon as you start attacking me and posting nonsensical reaction pictures, you might as well admit defeat.

>>1867873
And literally no one denies the camera needs work. You, however, have taken it one step farther to, "this makes the game unplayable". This is where the disagreement lies. Rather than accept that other people may like what you don't, you instead start throwing out conspiracy theories about how Nintendo paid off every reviewer in history to say that the game was good.

Please tell me how you don't see the problem here.

>>1867880
>if I say I won the argument it means I did
Sure champ.

>>1867882
The camera makes it very unplayable, amplified by the fact that the controls are fucking horrible too.

It's not just the camera. It's not just the controls. The design and gameplay taken ALL TOGETHER make this a bad game.

You fucking harp on the camera but it's much worse than that.

>>1867887
>if I don't make any counter-arguments at all somehow that means you lost
Sure champ.

>>1867889
>The camera makes it very unplayable
Funny, no one else seems to think so.

argument 1 - nintendo brainwashed everyone into liking a shitty game, except for a few enlightened people.

argument 2 - sm64 is a solid game overall, and a few people like to nitpick a 3d pioneer.

>>1867893

Let's troll /vr/. So much fucking fun!

>>1867896
didn't mean to quote

>>1867901
>discussing video games counts as trolling now

>>1867901
If you honestly believe discussion of game mechanics is trolling and people posting personal attacks and meme bullshit isn't, you need to get the fuck back to /v/ (or /b/) where you belong.

>>1867904
You're pathetic.

>>1867172
Great game. Still my favourite 3D platformer but in fairness I haven't owned a Nintendo console since the N64 so I missed out on the Galaxy games (oh woe).

I just wish you could get multiple stars in each level rather than exit the level after every star.

>>1867938
You missed sunshine too, in between.

>>1867945
nigga nobody gave a fuck about sunshine

>>1867896
>mario is apparently incapable of walking in a straight line (no, really--try it).

Should we really take the opinion seriously of someone who's never played the game? Or if they did play it, was too stupid to figure out that if you push up on the analog stick mario runs in a straight line forward?

Seems like someone was mad they sucked at a very easy game.

>>1867949
It was a good game and probably my favorite 3D Mario. Do you always go off of popular opinion?

>HURR MARIO CAN'T WALK IN A STRAIGHT LINE
This proves you've never played the game, or are too damn autistic to work very simple 3D controls.
You should probably stop breathing if this is the case, because you're pretty clearly too retarded to function in society.

>>1867951
>>1867954

Man you guys have to stop feeding the troll. At least read the rest of the thread first.

>>1867959
It's not worth reading the rest of the thread, considering about half the people who post that stupid troll line ACTUALLY believe it.

>>1867959
It confuses me to no end how these kids can enjoy getting reactions out of people who are usually just passionate about something, so they are inclined to argue. I mean what's the point of stirring up shit with anonymous posters, other than crying out for attention.

It's the saddest thing.

>>1867959
>>1867979
Criticism is not trolling, /vr/ is not your personal echo chamber.

>>1867984
Grow up.

>>1867989
Great comeback.

>>1867979

Meh it always goes on, sometimes it can be pretty funny.

>>1867984
>>1867991

There was (poor) trolling going on in here. This isn't /v/

>>1867984
>Criticism is not trolling, /vr/ is not your personal echo chamber.

Right. But you're posting an opinion that very few people share, and then getting really defensive when the obvious majority disagrees with you.

The opinion isn't what makes you a troll, it's the way you expressed it.

>>1867997
If anyone trolling it's you.

One dumb picture about walking in a straight line does not make the rest of the thread irrelevant or would you care to explain your logic to me?

>>1868000
>you're posting an opinion that very few people share
Everyone admits the camera is bad.

>the obvious majority disagrees with you
Where?

>>1868003

Read the thread and you'll see how there was a poster arguing in circles just to get reactions.

>>1868010
Link or it didn't happen.

>>1868009

The poster was saying that the camera was bad and that we were unable to see flaws in the game, but everyone said that the game was flawed. He kept saying it was unplayable and everyone said how it made to difference to their gameplay.

That's trolling, son. The average age here is higher than other boards.

>>1868015
The camera does make a difference and it's a part of the gameplay.

>The poster was saying that the camera was bad and that we were unable to see flaws in the game
The camera is the flaw.

>>1868025

And everyone agreed that the game was flawed. If you're done that would be great.

>>1868029
Then why do you keep replying? It's not my fault this exploded into an issue.

>>1867673
>trying this hard on /vr/

>>1868032

I've only replied to you twice, what's the problem? I'm saying there's no need to get people worked up intentionally. If people are agreeing with you about the game's issues, then to keep arguing is pointless. But that's what the poster/you kept doing.

One person's experience with a game does not necessarily correlate with another's.

>>1868042
If you're under the impression it's only one person then you have no one to blame but your own stupidity.

Didn't this same thing happen with the last SM64 thread?
Someone coming in and baiting everyone with absolutes and misinformation?

>>1868047
I'm not the same person from this last thread and I've never used misinformation.

It's still an amazing game. I even enjoyed the DS remake, even if the DS controls kinda sucks.

>>1868043

Okay, now I know.

>>1868047
Someone comes in and does this every time
and it probably is >>1868051

>>1868043
For some reason the guy always avoids the most rational criticisms, just like you're doing now.

Quite strange.

Like I said. Pathetic.

>>1868061
You're not making sense anymore, I don't know which guy you're talking about.

>>1868047

Yep and it's always the same tired shit. I guess if a few people fall for it it's a great success.

Super Mario 64 is a fine game, but it's not a successor to the 2D Mario games.

Nintendo created a new Mario series with Super Mario 64 - the 3D Mario series.

What's particularly interesting about Super Mario 64 is that it actually sold pretty badly...EXCEPT in USA where it sold amazingly. Those sales are all lopsided USA sales. Very interesting I find.

>>1868080

Maybe the camera was so bad nobody wanted to play it.

>>1868082
Can a mod please come ban this massive faggot for LE EBIN TROLLS XDDDD

>>1868095

I was joking. This thread has me exhausted and my sarcasm didn't come across.

>>1868080
The N64 only sold very well in the USA and Canada, in the rest of the world it did very bad.
IIRC, the N64 sold 33 million Units, and 20 were sold in the USA.

Here you have its best selling games list, http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/10/nintendo-64/

>>1868104
Huh, in Japan the N64 was basically "the Pokemon machine".

>>1868080
Nintendo specifically made the 64 for Americans, that's not surprising.

>>1868047
It seems pretty obvious that it's the same guy. He argues in the exact same way.

>>1868104
So it's essentially the anti-Saturn?

>>1868156
Yeah it is. He stopped when I had a serious go at him in both threads.

>>1868160

Not really, because N64 sold like 4 times what Saturn sold, and they were almost tied in Japan, Saturn sold 5.8 millions and N64 sold 5.5 millions there.

But to be sincere, the N64 had its ass saved by Rare (being the first console with popular first person shooters like Golden Eye) and the late 90s Pokemon fad.
Otherwise, the big decline that was seen with the Gamecube would have been seen one gen earlier.

Too bad I've had such a bad time emulating this console, there are so many classics from my childhood. It seems like any game out of the top 20 that I tried would be completely fucked.

>>1867648
>Rose tinted nostalgia goggles.
Learn to use the fucking camera

It's your friend, not your enemy. It's never given me problems.

>>1868203
For Western games the N64 was a pretty good console - the biggest problem is that all the Japanese developers went AWOL.

Nintendo flipped around with the Gamecube and made it a very pro-Japan console so they could reverse their massive downfall there. Unfortunately the Japanese were more way more interested in the PS2, though the Gamecube benefited from Sega's downfall and Xbox's non starter.

Aside from multiplats, the Gamecube didn't really have any West-centric games besides Eternal Darkness and Metroid Prime. They gave the console FPS market up to Xbox for example.

Gamecube kind of reminds me of the Saturn in the way it traded markets.

You actually got me playing this again OP and I'm starting up where I left off: Getting maximum coins on Tiny Huge Island.... Yeah.

YOU DUMB FUCKS LEARN HOW TO TELL A SHITPOSTER FROM AN ACTUAL POSTER AND REPORT THE FUCKING SHITPOSTERS. EITHER DO IT OR LEAVE AND NEVER RETURN. DO YOU HEAR ME?

>>1868289
Oh piss off already, this "report everything that upsets me" shit has gotten totally out of hand and "shitposting" is the buzzword enabling it.

>>1868098
>i got called out for shitpostingm, what do i od?!
>i know i'll sya i was LOL TROLLANZ SARKASMS
>wileecoyotesupergenius.jpg

Shitposter gets caught, tries to lie his way out. Sure sign of a shitposter who knows he's on his way to a permaban.

>>1868297

I made >>1868072 just before. Please calm yourself, kid.

>>1868297
Jesus Christ, you're obnoxious. It's actually an achievement to come across so repulsive over the internet. The poster you're calling out was arguing with the troll the whole time.

>>1868336

My nigga.

I've seen this poster sperging irrationally in a few threads now.

>>1868289
What the fuck, son?

lol next time this guy comes back maybe he'll have a different routine.

>>1867249
Well, there's also climbing Tiny Huge Island where it becomes a problem for a moment, but other than that, entirely accurate.

>>1867896
I can make mario do EXACTLY what I want him to in that game, the controls are tight. And the camera really isnt that hard, srsly.

>>1867461
I liked having Mario 64 that was portable and with some different stuff, but I sure as hell didn't like it more. Some people tried to tell me it was strictly superior, and it bothered the fuck out of me.

>>1867783
Custer's Revenge?

I like Super Mario 64. Too bad it's too fucking hard.

Am I the only one that doesn't like how Mario has a non-zero turning radius? Like when you're moving and taking a sharp turn, Mario has to move a bit to spin. It's more like what would happen in real life than what I've come to expect from games, so it always throws me off.

>>1870614
You can buy the official game guide, friend.

That's what I did ;)

I'm currently playing this game again with emulator, and kinda surprised that this is quite playable with keyboard. Hell, even one of the youtube walkthrough is done by keyboard and he played pretty well in those videos.

>>1870558
Teaching our young people about the glorious gift that is Manifest Destiny.

Should be a mandatory part of the highschool curriculum.

Got this on PSP and it's pretty awesome going back but also frustrating as I remember that I have never ever managed to get all the stars and how frustrating that is.

Pretty awesome game.

>>1870614
>>1870641
You guys actually consider this game too hard? We're not talking about the NES here. Please help me understand this.

>>1871647
He was coming back to troll some more and I dealt with it. No confusion here.

Despite all the nostalgia of being my first 3D game, I just can't bring myself to say that this holds up today. I actually really liked the DS remake though. The extra levels and characters were really fun.

I found this gif on tumblr, but I don't know what course this is. Is this from a hack?

>>1871664
No idea, but holy shit I feel like this reminds me of a dream I can only half-remember.

>>1871664
It might be either Super Mario 74 or Super Mario Starlight worlds or something.

Ha ha, the camera thing is a myth. It was actually very good for its time. It only has that reputation because it *shipped with the N64* at a time when no one knew how to actually use a camera, and it was lots of people's first exposure to 3d games in general - watch your parents get confused trying to use two analog sticks at once so they aren't running off cliffs or getting lost and you'll see what I mean.

This was the case for console gamers at least, but come to think of it, I don't recall any 3rd-person 3d games for the PC before then either.

Anyone who thinks the camera was really that bad has never owned a PS1. The PS1's library had fucking AWFUL cameras.

>>1871696
>don't recall any 3rd-person 3d games for the PC before then either.

alone in the dark

>>1871707
Shit I still have to play that, thanks for reminding me anon.

>>1867865

You are aware the NSMB games are done by a B team right? Miyamoto didn't have a hand in it.

He's consulted sure but he hasn't actively worked on the franchise since Sunshine.

>>1871707
>alone in the dark

Sorry to bust in but I was under the impression AITD had pre-rendered backgrounds, a la RE. Anyway that guy is a dick, I never had any problem with most PS1 cameras.

>>1867224
No it doesn't. Just because you're using an analogue-enabled device for input like the 3DS circle pad does not magically make SM64DS use analogue input. Just like I can't just play 2D virtual console games with the classic controller's analogue stick and expect analogue control. It doesn't work like that

SM64DS still only allows 8 directions of input and you need to permanently hold down Y to move quickly. The virtual analogue stick might have worked decently if it didn't move around and just stayed fixed to a point on the screen.

>>1867717
>nearly unplayable
opinion invalidated

>>1871708
Don't bother. Past the first room the game is terrible.

I've been working on a 16 star speed run lately, my first speed run work in any game ever. It's really giving me a greater appreciation for a game I already adored.

>>1867889
>unplayable

son.

no.