/vr/ - Retro Games

better question: will the inflation of nintendo stuff ever go back down? Or are we doomed to suffer with overpriced super-common games for all eternity?

>>1845456

>Bought all my SNES games that I wanted 6 years ago
>Watching the prices boom.

In a couple years, I could probably sell most of the games I can run on my flashcart and go on a nice comfy vacation.

One day the prices of retro games will be so high, that noone will give a shit about them anymore. Then the prices will drop slowly as people tyr to get rid of their inventory.

also, when we get serious Virtual Reality, noone will give a shit about this crap anymore. They will be stuck in fantasy land.

Genesis games a dirt cheap in retail stores and flea markets, and you can occasionally find a good eBay deal if you look and wait. I personally have paid about $4 average for CIB games, commons and rares from my shops locally

>>1845486
I can't wait til they skyrocket in price so I can sell off duplicates and fund my NES collection as people abandon their stuff.

>>1845464
so does that mean people don't actually play the games they're buying? I thought people buy games because they want to play them. Except for mint in box sealed and stuff like that of course.

>>1845504
I have a collection, that I don't even play anymore because I just emulate them on my psp instead.

>>1845508
but is that a collection you just have from days past or did you go around hording a bunch of games and then not play them? There's a difference.

>>1845513
Bit of both sides. Had a large collection from past but still kept on buying more even though I didn't play them on hardware anymore.

>>1845428
thankfully i got most of the genesis games i wanted but trying to buy things like Mega Turrican, Contra, Sparkster and a few others that are that expensive are a bit of a turnoff.

I managed to get a lot of games for cheap too
Immortal for 5 bucks CIB
Starflight, Alien Storm and Steel Empire for about 14 all together also CIB
Space Invaders 91 CIB for about 8 bucks as well.
If you dont like the prices, just keep waiting. Youve waited 20 years already? Whats a bit longer.

Also look into lots of games, sometimes there will be rarers games bundled into some crap shit (casion games, bland sports titles etc)

I just resell that stuff at basically price of shipping. I dont want them and im not really trying to make a profit off of it although sometimes it does happen

Wow, I never realized sega stuff was so much cheaper. These are the prices I thought old vidya stuff would go for. Might actually buy a genesis

Still a shame I'll never actually get to build up my old SNES library from when I was a kid because all the decent games are stupid expensive.

The price of old stuff goes up as the people who experienced it when they were 12 start to make money. As those people get older and lose interest in reliving their youth the price drops because the people who came after them don't care about that stuff.

>>1845607
Then why is genesis stuff cheap while snes expensive? They're from the same time period.

>>1845620
Because Nintendo is the Apple of retro gaming.

>>1845624
Miyamoto = Steve jobs.


It's all so clear now.

Miscelaneous boxed non-sports Genesis games are what I generally will pay the most for at thrift stores.

I think that PS2 is the wisest current investment though. Make a note of it.

so do people that collect retro video games actually care about them or is it like beanie babies where they're collecting them because they're just trying to resell for a profit later?

>>1845456
better question: will collectorfags ever escape the plebian underworld and buy flashcarts and modchips ??

Some questions may never be answered

>>1845631
PS2 is great for the fact that it plays PS1 games, which I think had one of the strongest and most varied libraries.

>>1845649
theres def both. Ive met people at retro stores that just collect and buy shit just so they can resell later. Its aggravating, I dont get it at all.
I have a pretty decent Genesis collection and I buy strictly what I want to play. Ive come across some rarer stuff for cheap that I can resell but I see no point in it. It just skews the market and I dont want to be part of that

>>1845657
Because if you just have a flashcart you're not collecting anything, which is what collectorfags are all about. In fact, why bother with a flashcart at all? I'd say just emulate, unless we're talking about one of the N64 games that doesn't emulate well or something.

>>1845670

playing game on actual hardware always better than emulation. having to setup my controllers with adapters + not looking right + no on switch...

flashcarts worth it for the cheap fun factor

collecting worth what? You fulfilled by that there game wall? I'm sure mommy n poppa is proud

>>1845504
this is why i started selling off a lot of my retro vidya collection, it just sat on the shelf most of the time. i think i had more fun actually finding the games than playing them

>>1845680
>collecting worth what? You fulfilled by that there game wall? I'm sure mommy n poppa is proud
I never said I was a collector. I said that's why they do it.

>playing game on actual hardware always better than emulation
That's why I said except some N64 games, and otherwise there's no real difference. Especially on the popular games that you'd actually play

>controllers with adapters
just use whatever gamepad you have for PC. Unless you use a 360 controller in which case get something else.

>>1845691
>360 for retro vidya

come on. Unless you only play 3d retro games. I have adapters but still prefer actual console always.

The look of actual hardware is always better. Also the feel of actual hardware just feels right. It's always better than emulation. Except RPGs sometimes though, alot of them play better with fastforward IMO. Also this one might get me shot, but emulation can be good for save-state practicing arcade games. Although you can get save state attachments for actual consoles, atleast SNES and genesis

>>1845707
>360 for retro vidya
learn to read

>muh feelings
same argument people use for collecting the actual games instead of using a flash drive

>>1845734

playing actual game feels the exact same as flashdrive though. I mean how the game plays and all. Emulators actually have differences in how they run the game like speed, colors, graphic glitches.

>>1845627
minus the fact that miyamoto isn't an asshole publically

>>1845428
I think the boom is because people who grew up with new, SNES, and n64 games are in their early to late 20s, and miss playing the games they grew up with. Since more people had Nintendo than genesis systems, Nintendo games have gone up more. Genesis games starting to go up is probably due to resellers thinking any old game=valuable. In 5 or so years nes and maybe SNES games will probably be back to mostly normal prices and ps2 games will probably be expensive as dick

>>1845605
At this point I don't even know if I care about getting a SNES because most of the good games have usually better ports

>>1845970

I wonder about this. It's solid logic but this is a weird market. Comparing it to comic books, for example - the 'golden age' shit became extremely valuable years after the fact, but that perception of value never really crept up to include stuff from later years.

This isn't an absolute rule of course, there are plenty of comics from the 60s that are very expensive and perceived as being valuable, but almost nothing from the 70s or 80s excepting very important 'key' items.

All this is simply to say, that I feel like the PS2, Gamecube, etc games might never become valuable. I don't think there will ever be a Chrono Trigger or Earthbound of the 2000s era; I think it really might be 'cartidges are cool' forever.

I don't feel like I'm explaining myself very well :(

>>1845657
I'm a huge fan of retro games, I love to play what's in my collection. I purchased Everdrives for various consoles with expensive rare games. I try to collect on a budget but if I come across a game that is shit and insanely priced like Wayne's World for the NES, or Color a Dinosaur, you bet your ass I'll resell. I use the money to buy more games I've emulated or played on my Everdrive carts. I think I found a nice balance of hoarding, collecting and reselling

>>1846026
I know what you mean. There's something more timeless about carts. I can't imagine keeping an old collection of disc-based games, because discs are optical and actually have a lifespan, and that's without even considering scratches and all that.

That said, I looked at a price guide for GC games and they're surprisingly expensive. Even for games I thought were very commonplace like wind waker.

>>1846034
That's because you have the 90s fags growing up with real jobs and just now graduating college, so their nostalgic for their first system they played or owned as adults. Once the novelty wears off, the prices will drop, especially if Nintendo releases reasonably priced digital downloadable NGC games.

>>1845456
stuff is coming back down man, loose Conker is at $65 now. GENS stuff though, it will climb very slowly. it's good because most people don't know what games are worth anything and even the most expensive ones are 60-80 loose at best.

>>1846040
>Once the novelty wears off, the prices will drop

I'm curious to see if this ever happens. We've seen a big boom in geek culture in the past few years, and in general a much larger portion of the consumer population devouring their own childhoods. It's a big thing now.

This might die down, but that doesn't neccecarily mean that the prices will ever drop.

Does anyone here collect star wars toys or transformers or anything? I'm curious if stuff like that has remained at a static, steady aftermarket price or if things fluctuate with public interest.

>>1846057
I disagree with the "boom in geek culture" part of this.

Video games are universal, its not just a geeky thing or niche. Ever since the early 2000s and beyond more and more people are gaming, it's no longer a underground phenomenon that your average Joe or Brittany are ashamed to admit they enjoy. I blame this to the rise of prices. People enjoyed playing games over the last 14-15 years and realize they can take a look back at where home console games began and it's a novelty, just like buying vinyl. The fad will pass and interest will shift to the next big thing that is no longer "geek culture" like comics or trading card games.

>>1846057
the boom might die, but prices might not go down.
mario, zelda, mostly popular nintendo games will hold their prices. more niche stuff like gotcha force might go down a bit, but like I said in >>1846047 i'm surprised that went down.

it used to be $100+ loose and now it's $65. i'm selling my copy to someone I know for about $35 because I hate reseller scum.

just don't let yourself become pic related...

>>1846072

Alright bypassing the geek culture thing for a moment, and just taking it as a given that:

1. Because more people play games now, there is a larger base of consumers for retro games than there were before

2. Because there are more buyers, the prices are higher

I've got two questions -

1. Will the amount of buyers decrease
2. If the amount of buyers does decrease, will the prices drop again?

I don't know what to compare this to. Video games are objects, they're not really like stocks or a commodity like gold/silver.

>>1846106
I honestly believe it will drop or at least stabilize. I firmly believe the retro game market mirrors vinyl albums as far as market trends. We'll probably see a few small decreases followed by subsequent hikes until it levels out. I don't think the market will crash, despite what doomsayers say.

>>1846098
>30 bucks for some good games
Honestly... if you think about it.

Its 10 bucks or so on Virtual Console.
You're paying 30.
30 for hardware and the game so its actually not that big of a deal.

Of course /vr/'s cheap ass argument is >virtual console
>I use emulators

>>1846139
>market crash
>doomsayers

I'd say that'd be the opposite of doom. It'd be great if the market crashed and the people that wanted to buy old games because they actually want to play them (rather than just make jewbucks on ebay) would benefit

>>1846153
virtual console is overpriced for what it is, but that's another issue entirely

my preferred method of emulation is pirated VC wads though, especially for N64 games

>>1845464
>VR becomes reality
>Someone writes a VR emulator where you're in a comfy bedroom or lounge with a SNES
>Play a game of a guy playing your roms.

I will sell all of my games the day this becomes available.

>>1846214
man there are times where I feel like VC wads are the only way to go for N64

>>1846217
this is actually not that different from Retro Game Challenge for DS

>>1846230
Definitely. n64 emulation a shit. especially with that clusterfuck of random plugins.

It's just a shame there are so many games for the N64 that haven't received VC releases - even ninty titles. Not sure what's up with that.

>>1846235
Oh shit, yeah, I actually own that game and forgot about that element of it. Retro Game Challenge but viewing the bottom screen in first person through VR. Yes please.

Arino sim 2014

>>1846238

I think every N64 VC release required it's own dedicated bit of tweaking to make sure it was properly emulated.

I know people 'inject' N64 roms into VC WADs so that the emulator runs custom games, and that it often doesn't work very well because the WAD was designed to help run one specific game.

Probably took a lot of work to get those releases up to snuff.

>>1846287
you can inject but I can't even name many that work decently. Smash Bros used to be the prime example but then it came out for VC for real anyway.

All the titles that people would like to inject (goldeneye, banjo, other rare games, turok) don't work anyway.

>>1846290

Seriously. The thing that sucks the worst about that is the Wii Goldeneye is absolutely no replacement for the original game.

Sounds funny after talking shit on PC N64 emulation, but I will say - Project 64 always did Goldeneye justice for me and my bros, even with 4-way multiplayer. Just have to adjust yourself to using PS-style USB pads.

The Rare games leave such a hole, though. I think the Wii emu scene is really dying down for the most part, I don't think we'll ever wind up seeing an adequate homebrew solution to running that stuff on the Wii :(

Holding out hope for Retroarch but not much

>>1845631
This. And the og xbox. Haven't bought a lot of retro lately because I've been just buying up 6th gen games and building my collection while it's so cheap and abundant.

>>1846356
Yeah, Xbox games are cheap but there are so few games that you have a worthwhile collection in under ten games.

PS2 is a good call at this point though. So cheap and everything can be found pretty easily.

>>1846057
I used to be more into collecting Transformers when I was younger and I based upon my few peeks into what the market is like now, it's only gotten worse as time went on. In the early 2000s, the prices weren't particularly bad but now, for the original toys, they're pretty insane.

>>1846393
>>1846356
IDK something feels weird about collecting optical media. Might just be muh nostalgia, but it's also much less durable. Optical media deteriorates and can get scratched.

just a personal opinion though.

>>1846402
I'll never forgive my mom for throwing all my transformers and beast wars toys away

>>1845428
OP there seems to be a lack of Gunsta-
>Trouble Shooter
carry on.

Also, i find that Genesis carts will never go up in price because SEGA keeps releasing physical collections of Genesis games.

It unfortunately also makes me lazy as hell to collect Genesis games.

>>1846437
now if only nintendo would fucking re-release old cartridges as well.

>>1846393
Donno about that.
I have about 29 Xbox games that are worthwhile out of my 30.

>>1846440
i agree. VC imo does nothing to cart prices. it's physical collections like Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection that do.

Just look at Gunstar Heroes. released on VC and PC but not on anything physical (in the US), and now it goes for upwards $34.

that's just what i think, though.

>>1846413
I get what you're saying on that but deterioration can also occur with Sega cd/ps1 and etc. I feel like it's no real loss when I'm picking up 90% of games at a dollar a pop

>35 years
>nintendo carts still playing


What do you think the lifespan of a decently taken care of cartridge will be?

>>1846534

Honestly I don't think they'll really be reliably playable after 50 years. That's a really fucking long time. I mean if nothing else there have to be components in there that are mortally vulnerable to corrosion, right?

I mean I figure almost everything besides the ROM chips can be easily repaired if you really want to put the effort into doing that, but I just can't imagine these things lasting half a century.

Basing this on 0% science and 100% intendo feelings

>>1846572
I'll give it 100 years.
I think eventually the board will crack or something from microbes or some shit.

I don't think they are anywhere near death though.

>>1845428
I think I'll be enjoying my PS1 and PS2 games on the cheap while the rest of you act like idiots and buy Nintendo and Sega games at retarded prices.

>>1846576
>I think I'll be enjoying my PS1 and PS2 games on the cheap
Shut up.

You don't want to steer more people into collecting for those consoles, wouldn't you?
I have about 70 PS2 games and there's still a lot of games I need.

>>1846576

I can't justify buying PS2 games since I installed Free McBoot. It's my favorite system ever, but the worthwhile games are all like 50+ bux...

Best thread to ask this in. I have snes/nes/n64 games without boxes. Should I buy cib of them or just buy a box for them? Also as a collector should I buy games cib or should I buy carts only and buy boxes separate?

>>1846601
I had a large collection of games at one point.
All missing the boxes.

I felt empty. I had a respectable library but no boxes. I ended up selling them to end my disgust.

>>1846601

Some people have been buying 'universal game cases' and printing custom box art. I think it's interesting but I'm not sure it's the right move for me.

Where are you looking at buying boxes? Ebay? I've been curious about this, like if there's a reasonably affordable channel to go through for buying JUST the box for loose carts I have.

>>1846609
I've not looked much but eBay is where I saw a few.

>>1846601
fuck boxes. the whole reasons carts have, well, carts is because they're meant to be stored as-is - maybe with one of those pin protectors if you're concerned. there's nothing wrong with not keeping the paper box they came in.

genesis is a special case because they actually decided to include cases. That's different.

>>1846026
>All this is simply to say, that I feel like the PS2, Gamecube, etc games might never become valuable. I don't think there will ever be a Chrono Trigger or Earthbound of the 2000s era

You haven't been looking at enough games, then. .hack/// Quarantine, Rule of Rose, Haunting Ground, Gotcha Force, Cubivore, among a bunch of others, are pretty much at the level Chrono Trigger and EarthBound were in the early 2000s.

>>1846696
This. I've got all the SNES classics like Super Metroid, Super Mario World etc. without cases.

But I have always aimed to get CIB-only Genesis games, simply because they actually have a legitimate case.

Most of these games still cost much less than they did new

>>1846468
>it's physical collections like Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection that do.
Gunstar Heroes was on that and it didn't dent in the price.
It's a mixture of cult followings, general public view of an IP and/or rarity that effect the price.
FF7 drop in price over and over again every time it was re-release digitally and had no physical releases
Chrono Trigger has had three physical re-releases and is digitally available on everything other than the 360 and yet it's value stays in the 90 dollar range.

>>1846767
Yes but most of the games are in far worse shape than new.

>>1846767
>Yes but most of the games are in far worse shape than new.

Not only that, but they're not new. They're obsolete consumer electronics. It's like charging $20 for a VHS tape.

Maybe I'm just bitter because when I started doing this, I could get awesome intendo games for like $1 each :(

>>1847489
Not directed at you necessarily, but I think this is really the issue with a lot of people. The maybe unfortunate fact of the matter is that this is a collector's market. Just like any other hobby where there is physical merchandise involved, there will be people who don't know what they have and give it away for change, and people who will want to make a profit off of it. That's how it works with collectable toys, music, movies, coins, antiques, the list goes on and on. I guess I just don't understand why a lot of people expect retro games, something people collect and that is in limited supply, to be any different. Like, if you collected vinyls instead of games, would you be complaining that they shouldn't cost anything just because they're outdated? I'm not saying ebay sellers trying to sell Mario/Duck Hunt for $25 is okay, it's dumb and annoying, but is anybody actually paying those prices? I doubt it. If they are, then hell, more power to the seller for parting a fool and his money.

Currently it seems to me that people who did _not_ grow up with NES or SNES are entering the collecting "scene". People are are maybe ~20 are buying games despite not having owned them when they were new. Is it solely for the sake of collecting, since it's not a nostalgic thing like for us ~30 year olds who actually bought these games when they were out?

I once was like those of you who laugh at buying carts and systems and say "what idiots, you can play the same games on an emulator!" yet I constantly regret not starting collecting games earlier when they were cheaper. I only buy games to play them, though, so my collection is small, but all the games have nostalgic value to me.

>>1847550
I'm 23, but I've been collecting retro games for years. I actually wasn't allowed to play video games as a kid, my brother got a gameboy when I was around 9, and the first actual system we got was the Gamecube, but before that they were banned from our house. For me it's not a nostalgia thing, and it's not even catching up on what I missed, though that may be a small part of it. Really I just enjoy retro games, they're still good and they're fun. A lot of people here seem to think that if you didn't grow up with it you shouldn't be allowed to enjoy it or some such nonsense, but a lot of my friends who are my age or even a bit younger really enjoy playing stuff out of my collection, and have even got into collecting themselves. Hell, my wife's little sister is 11, and she likes playing Sonic 2 when she comes over.

>>1847553
Oh, I'm not saying that playing or collecting retro games should be exclusive to those who played the games back then. I was just thinking that the rise in prices could be because it's not just a nostalgia thing anymore, and maybe a by-product of retro culture "uprising" in general.

>>1847562
Wasn't saying you were, no worries. I've just heard that argument before, that "kids" shouldn't be buying up stuff that someone older could nostalgia over, and that their somehow illicit interest was driving up prices. Whole thing is incredibly silly though. If someone younger would rather play Contra than Call of Duty 7: Modern Combat 3: WW2, I say that's great.

>>1847520
>I guess I just don't understand why a lot of people expect retro games, something people collect and that is in limited supply, to be any different.
People aren't consciously thinking about other markets they aren't involved in. I'm sure if I actually collected movies and coins I would bitch about how overpriced they are too.

>>1845428
I give up collecting games. Fuck use Pc and emulate some systems. Dont give money to resseller scum.

>>1846214
>emulation
>tfw nintendo wii with 8gb SD card holds all NES, SNES, GB, GBC, Master System, Genesis, Game Gear games, and quite afew n64 games of choice.

>>1847520
>Like, if you collected vinyls instead of games, would you be complaining that they shouldn't cost anything just because they're outdated?
My dad does all the time.
That said vinyl still has strong points like clearer sound quality.
Vintage games have jack shit in advantages short of saying "I have the original" which seems pointless if you didn't own the game when it was out.
Also gaming market has a lot of stupid people in it that you don't see as much in other markets.
Really, toy and game market are really strange because you have such a high amount of reseller nutjobs you don't get in the other markets.
You don't have dozens of guys picking through garage sales for multiple copies of the same Queen records just to resell them.

>>1848206
>vinyl still has strong points like clearer sound quality
>people still believe this

>>1848206

The difference is that Queen still get reprinted while most retro games have been completely out of print for a decade or more. The only alternative to owning the actual cart is digital copy or piracy.

Like seriously imagine how much a queen vinyl would be if you could only get the music from iTunes or TPB

>>1848206
The reason people say vinyl sounds better is because when CDs were first introduced most of the albums were a direct transfer without any clean up on the tracks. So think of early VHS to DVD transfers, like Ghostbusters, it was just as bad as the VHS version because they did nothing special to it. Now go and get some aging Led Zepplin albums and compare them to the recently digitally remastered releases, it's night and day.

The reason I bring this up is because we are seeing digital re-releases in HD more and more and we see people going back to remake an entire game just so it looks better, see Megaman X Maverick Hunters or the Final Fantasy series up to 6,

>>1847553
> actually wasn't allowed to play video games as a kid
>my brother got a gameboy when I was around 9
>. For me it's not a nostalgia thing, and it's not even catching up on what I missed, though that may be a small part of it
this almost sounds like my story except I had an N64 that I could never use till like 9 years ago and had a GBA instead of GB. I know this feel brah.

>>1850415
Roflz you think you know anything about audio? It's all about dynamics and compression. In the loudness wars everybody's trying to over compress audio for the loudest signal with the smallest amount of dynamics in order for it to stand our. Problem is it fatigues the ear and you lose the dynamics of performance so it's a lifeless turd. You can't mix the same way with vinyl because the needle will jump grooves. Cds were suppose to introduce a lower noise floor allowing for more dynamics but it also allows for over signal processing with limiters which the record companies wanted so it stands out on the radio. Also analog allows for a warmer sound with tubes and you'll loose high end frequencies

Most often remastering is only done to get your album back. Few insistence were you have the artists involved like billy joel, page and gilmour involved and it ends up for the better but in the end, they only did it to get their royalties back and own the albums out 100%

>>1845620
I think it's because Genesis was more targeted toward a older market that already had spending money.

>>1850597
Genesis stuff was far from being cheap. Check out these prices circa 1990. $99.88 for Strider would cost you $182.14 adjusted for inflation.

>>1845631
>PS2
There are literally hundreds of millions of PS2s of billions of PS2 games, I highly doubt the worth of the system will go up more at all

>>1846356
The original Xbox however is indeed worth collecting for, If you haven't checked out the game collection I recommend to do so now as it's got a very high amount of great exclusive games that can still only be played on an Xbox (or a 360 if it's compatible)

>>1846312
Not64 runs Goldeneye X perfectly (set splitscreen mode to vertical to avoid 2 player issues) and Goldeneye and Perfect Dark with varying levels of competence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI78QqPIXxk#t=29

>>1846393
>so few games
There are about as many Xbox games as there are Gamecube games and I'd say it has about the same good game ratio to overall games released as the Gamecube, which is to say very very high

>>1850610
Those earphones though...

>>1847072
It's not on there bro.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic%27s_Ultimate_Genesis_Collection

Dynamite Headdy is though. I see your point regardless.

>>1850617
>>1850623
Absolutely agree. Games like Panzer Dragoon Orta, Jet Set Radio Future, Oddworld Strangers Wrath, Ninja Gaiden Black and Jade Empire are great to name a few.

>>1846214
>>1846230
>>1846238

Is there any guide anywhere for doing that? I've been looking at pirating n64 wads on my wii but I wouldn't know where to start.


Any help?

>>1850653
>https://sites.google.com/site/completesg/how-to-use/wad-manager
Assuming you have homebrew channel installed

>>1847520
>That's how it works with collectable toys, music, movies, coins, antiques, the list goes on and on. I guess I just don't understand why a lot of people expect retro games, something people collect and that is in limited supply, to be any different.

We do expect games that are actually rare/very popular to have high prices but this spilled over to were it's "It's retro so it's automatically rare and valuable!" with prices for common games going for over several times it's average price.

It's like a toy seller having a box of chewed up happy meal toys for 80 bucks or a music seller trying to sell a scratched up Spicegirls CD for 40 because they're retro.

>>1850617
>There are literally hundreds of millions of PS2s of billions of PS2 games, I highly doubt the worth of the system will go up more at all

Same was true of the really popular NES and SNES games. Video game prices seem to be based less on scarcity and more on just popularity. Of course there are the super-expensive games that go for so much because there were like 5 carts made, but the ones that are moderately expensive are actually ridiculously common.

That said, I don't think PS2 will become collectible (save for certain games). Even in 20 years people won't see PS2 as "retro". It'll be remembered fondly, but it's no longer the early days of vidya and that means something when it comes to collecting shit.

Also fuck collecting optical media

>>1850870
I disagree entirely. A lot of hard to find PS2 titles are already expensive, and some common but great titles are already going up in price. A great example is Star Wars Battlefront 2; the Xbox version is rare-ish, and has always gone for around $30- $40, for years. The PS2 version however, which is much much much more common has been dirt cheap until very recently when it started going up. It hovers at around $10 right now, up from literally pennies less than a year ago. On top of that, as you said disks are damaged more easily than carts, so disk based games are going to become much scarcer much more rapidly. 6th gen is a wise investment for any collectors who want anything from that era.

The problem is there are so many impatient people who just say "fuck it" and buy a game they want for higher than they'd normally pay. Maybe because bidding takes patience and can be a pain in the ass and they just settle for the convenience of inflated buy it now prices.

But then that starts to set the precedent for future sales, as resellers see what prices people are willing to pay. And each time, they try to bump it up just a little more. yadda yadda yadda, you get inflating prices. At some point it's gotta equalize though.

Genesis isn't nearly as bad as the nintendo consoles when it comes to this stuff, but it has its fair share of price inflation. Just check out price chart websites and you'll see games that were going for ~5 bucks two or so years ago are now going for ~30. But at least many of the great genesis games don't have the same pop culture omnipresence as some of the IPs seen on nintendo consoles, where anything with megaman or zelda on it goes for like 3-4x what it should.

>>1850884
>On top of that, as you said disks are damaged more easily than carts, so disk based games are going to become much scarcer much more rapidly
I don't think you understand. I'm not just talking about scratches and general wear-and-tear. Optical media degrades over time, whether you play it every day or keep it in the CD or DVD case.

>>1850895
But there still hasn't been a case of a disc being rendered completely worthless by time, only cases of disc rot due to shitty pressing methods

>>1850902
And optical media is still relatively new, so that's a moot point. It's really a gamble if you want to sink money into a disc-based collection and then have it eventually go bad. Maybe not happen until we're 60 years old, but still. It's like a looming threat on the horizon.

It's not as bad as collecting perishable bananas or something, but yeah.

>>1850907
I don't think factory pressed CDs will ever lose data though since the data is actually pressed (as in it makes pits on the physical plastic) and then it's coated with a protective layer. That isn't to say some other form of degradation could occur but I don't think cartridges are more immune to this effect either

>>1850916
it's possible for carts to maybe go bad, but if that happened you could just reflash it.

>>1850916
What can happen with CDs, although it's much more common with cheap discs and dual layer media, is the plastic layer will begin to de-laminate (even microscopically) and allow ambient moisture to reach the data layer and corrode it until it's unreadable. It's is why those warning lists of don'ts in the back of the manual say not to submerge the disc in water. I've never encountered an example of this though and it's probably impossibly rare without some major manufacturing defect or horrendous treatment of the disc.

>>1848204
and Neo Geo

>>1850695
I do, thanks anon!

>>1846098
>Pit Fighter
>$50

>>1845620

1. Clam shell cases are far more durable then cardboard boxes.
2. This means that there are more complete games
3. This in turn means complete games are cheaper, even the highly sought after stuff. Loose games are even cheaper than that.

There's obviously more to this but I want to know what everyone thinks about this.

>>1845428
knocked Contra Hard Corps off the list this weekend.

Im hoping it doesnt go too high... The Genny is so fun to collect for because it have a GREAT variety of games with decent prices still. Even the most expensive game is like $200 MAX

>>1852653
The most expensive Genesis game I'm aware of that isn't some sort of test cart or something is actually for the 32X, if that counts. Spider-Man Web of Fire, for a complete copy you'll be paying between $250-$400.

>get a 32X just so I can use my Model 2 cables because I only have RF for my Model 1 system.
Now I just need to get a cable that connects my Model 1 to the 32X itself, no luck so far...
I also plan on getting Afterburner and Space Harrier for it too, Knuckles Chaotix's price kinda turns me off though
Major games I'm looking out for currently are Contra: Hard Corps, Castlevania: Bloodlines, and Gunstar Heroes.

Pic related, my collection so far, minus Cool Spot, Spot Goes to Hollywood, and the 6-Pak.

>>1845428
Nobody even knows who Sega is. And this is a good thing.

>>1845620

not really, the genesis/megadrive wasn't around all that long, the snes lasted a lot longer and more people had them

>>1853226
That's incorrect. The Genesis lasted well into 1995 and came out in 1989 in the US. The market share was about 51% for Nintendo and about 49% for Sega, give or take.

>>1853226
The Genesis had games coming out internationally from 1989 - 1998. The first non-Japanese release on the SNES was 1991, the last in 1997. The Gensis was around a LOT longer then the SNES was, it was out before the SNES and was still releasing games a full year after the SNES was done.

>>1853213
get yourself Knuckles Chaotix and Treasure's Genesis outings, friend

>>1850627
I loved those earphones...

>>1853213
>3 copies of Sonic 1
For what purpose?

>>1853180
Nope the most expensive is now MUSHA went from 130 range to 400-500 range. But importing it is like 150 ish i assume something like that.

>>1853180
>32X
Nah. I've seen them CIB for $20-$25, loose for $10. Plenty of carts that go for more.

Too late for the Genesis bandwagon; should have hopped on 2 years ago.

>>1850610
i don't remember paying over 80 max for games in the US in the 90's. that ad might be CDN because i've never seen a GENS game for close to 100.

>>1853248
dude, GENS was dead in the US in 1995. it started in 89 and went to 95. the only reason games were coming out for it were sports for BR's. the SNES lasted way longer in JP than in the US.

>>1846098
>40 bucks for rocket knight adventures.
jesus tapdancing christ, I just bought that game off ebay for 10 bucks.

>>1854547
That applies to literally every retro console though. But at least most genesis games go for reasonable prices.

They already did. Musha went from the usual $150 average a year ago to somewhere like $400.

i get all my games at the flea market. my GENS collection is pretty much complete save for mutant league hockey and maybe one or two other games.

>>1854657
and loose stuff, in all about 30 games total.

>>1845534
I feel like a jackass for not buying Hyeprstone Heist when it went for like $50 CIB. Now it always goes for around $80. Oh well I hope people finally catch onto Syndicate being rare and driving the price of that up to absurd level so I can just sell that and get Hyperstone Heist along with a few others.

>>1854661
'm looking for syndicate and shadowrun.
i feel bad for anyone jumping in on retro games now, everything is either expensive or getting expensive. hell, most games that used to be 3-5 are 10+.

>>1845631
I think original Xbox is a wiser one. Lot of really good PS2 games already go for a decent demand unlike the Xbox which is still largely untapped in the collector's market. Hell most of the rare games for it are usually like $50 and I guarantee in a few years something like Breakdown which sold like shit and only goes for around $5 now will rise up like crazy once kids who owned an original Xbox grow up and start collecting for it.

>>1854670
To be honest I'd only get Syndicate if you're like me and find the differences between ports really fascinating. Otherwise it's not that great unless you just wanna buy it cheap and flip it on ebay or are trying to have a complete Genesis collection.

>>1854679
i doubt it, no one will really shoot up the prices for xbox games, unless its something like Jurassic park

>>1854691
I gotta disagree with you unless the original Xbox gets usable emulation in the future. The lack of emulation alone is one of the reasons I can see the more obscure but good games will rise up in the future.

>>1854682
well, i already have shadowrun on SNES and I do like the PnP game, so ill get the GENS version too.

>>1854695
Shadowrun on the Genesis I totally do recommend. That game has been on my to get list for awhile now because I had a blast playing it on an emulator.

>>1854694
on the other hand, it's easy as fuck to hack the xbox and play games for free. So even if the games become super rare, you still only need an xbox

your point stands, but just saying

>>1854719
>on the other hand, it's easy as fuck to hack the xbox and play games for free

So is the PS2 and it even has reliable emulation.

>>1846047
> stuff is coming back down
Look closer at the trends from the last few years. Prices always drop right before the kids go back to school. Mark it down now: the prices this Christmas will exceed last years numbers by 15%.

/vr/ prices will never come back down.

>>1854730
So when is the best time to buy?
I collect NTSC, but have no idea how the US school system is dated.

>>1854730
This.

It's cyclical, but what you're dealing with is something that's oop and still highly demanded, as well as a product that generates new demand regularly thanks to youtube videos introducing younger gamers to retro, etc.

There's no reason to assume the prices on these games will be going down any time soon with no added supply to throw the market off.

The only thing that will cause the prices to go down will be when demand dies off, which will either be 20-30 years from now when we're all too old to give a fuck, or when the consoles to play the games on stop working and become difficult to find thus making emulation the only viable option for most people.

>>1854741

Summer in the US is typically when prices are the lowest, they tend to skyrocket around the holidays then gradually drop down until around now.

Since it's getting close to fall the prices will start to rise soon, this happens with most goods/services in America due to the holiday season.

>>1846047
Except for fairly rare games like MUSHA and Snatcher.

>>1854525
The 32X system or the 32X game Spider-Man Web of Fire? Because I was talking about the latter.

>>1854756
would right now still be considered summer, or are we close enough to the beginning of the school year?

Guess I should start collecting more stuff. I wanted to just get a few games here and there so I can actually enjoy them individually instead of just quickly amassing a giant pile of games and having no clue what to do with them.

>>1854770
i meant sega genesis, not 32X or CD. most people don't know about stuff like MUSHA, but Snatcher is usually on top ten lists for games.

>>1853180
There is an EXTREMELY rare version of Tetris on the Genesis that got sold for like $10,000.

>>1854795
I think most people here are talking about legit releases though, not stuff that was never officially released, recalled, etc.

>that feel when Saturn inflation is still a thing

>>1854814
At least you can just play pirated saturn games. Don't even need a rare and expensive everdrive

>>1850610
SWEET JESUS. Where games really that expensive back then? I suppose it was more of a niche product back then, but still.

>>1854832
Manufacturing cartridges was expensive, and at the time the Genesis was basically the closest you could come to an at-home arcade system.

>>1854741
Now. Buy now.

Summer in the US is the best time to buy. People clean out their closets, have garage sales and spend all day outside. As the weather gets shittier, people stay inside and buy more games. The prices match the trends.

>>1854606
It happened all the time, manufacturing costs were through the roof in the 90s due to earthquakes that damaged RAM manufacturing plants. At one point your RPGs which utilized more RAM than your average cart went upwards of $75+. It wasn't Canadian, Toys R Us had the same prices as you can clearly see.

>>1854606
This ad was mid 90s, probably 95 and 96

>>1854609
and i got it for $3 in late 2010 loose cart

>>1854771
Got it. Yes that game's pretty cost you.

>>1855312
Explain how Revenge of Shinobi has doubled or tripled in price since March?

>>1846576
>i came into a retro board to tell people buying retro games they are idiots

oh /v/, you're so silly. that's why we want nothing with you.

>>1855561
Its on a natural upslope due to hype and Sega becoming more popular.

>>1855561
Huh, I gutted a copy of Revenge of Shinobi for my Mega Everdrive.

It was dead and wouldn't run on any Genesis, no matter how clean the contacts were. I have another copy that works fine, though.

>>1845428
>buy megadrive in my younger days
>buy Phantasy Star 3
>look at abilities during battle
>techs(?) stupid named stuff
>fuck that
>go through the whole game using only normal attacks
>find out years later they were healing spells etc
>mfw