/vr/ - Retro Games

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Doom 4 reveal! Well, kinda. Only those dudes who were actually at Quakecon got to see it firsthand, but here's a basic rundown of what happened there. It might not be terrible! http://pastebin.com/W8P7fdq3

The rumor mill/Tarnsman says Back to Saturn X's second episode will come out on September 1st. Nevermind that they're more like full seasons, but hey!

hobomaster22 is making a mod manager for Doom in the vein of Quake Injector, and has built-in /idgames support! It's pretty neat, give it a look. http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doom-general/69346-doom-frontend-development-beta/

Here's a music stream that only plays Doom music, 24/7; feel free to listen if you're interested http://liquiddoom.net/ (direct link 403s)

Some anons did a 200 min. speedmap WAD and this is the result! http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=17781 COMPLETELY VANILLA, tell us what you think!

Wanna see John Romero deathmatching in 2014? Do you live in England? He will be present at Revival '14 on August 9, see more details here http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1283115; for reference, this happened at GDC http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXkipPv0b4KMKE7z3WwlYYUCDLACNoYfE..

The Space Pirate still hasn't updated! Latest version is currently https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxbbtKR5bll_anFPaVhUQVZqcnM/edit?usp=sharing (tutorial: http://youtu.be/mrFF8LCZw5Y).).

HDoom has its 5th techdemo! http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=m12-hdoom-techdemo5.pk3

Mods that also got updated (links lead to their forum thread)

Doom RPG (not the mobile game): http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33292
Hideous Destructor: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=12973
Pirate Doom: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=32674
DoomRL Arsenal: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=37044
GMOTA: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=742401

Got something news-worthy? Reply to this post, or it'll likely be missed.

1st for "What mod is that a screenshot of?"

So I shut everything off involving shaders in GZDoom, and it still won't run the games properly.

What the fuck could've happened? I played through the entirety of Doom 1 fine, and then it couldn't run anything.

>>1831383
Took it from the Doomworld screenshot thread. Dude named Da Werecat posted it a week and a half ago, and I don't see it on the ZDoom forums or Doomworld forums, so it's a WIP.

Has anyone made a Guardian of hell sprite?

>>1831398
looks really good

You can now run GZDoom on Android, but I don't quite understand why you would want to.
>paying for sourceports

>>1831465
you have to pay to be able to run GZDoom on Android?
Shouldnt there a lawsuit or something?

>>1831472
I'm surprised there isn't, even if you still have to supply the IWADs.

>>1831465
touchscreens a shit

I just want an xperia play (why don't they make new ones with better hardware?). Wonder if prboom+ for android can utilize the controls.

Any wads that are sort of like Blood Dragon? Have like a cheesy, 80s B-movie feel?

>>1831497
This is the same app that packages chocolate and prboom+. It supposedly supports gamepads, but I don't have one, so I haven't tested that.

>>1831472
There's people who charge for fucking EMULATORS on there too. Google play is a fucking mess.

What's a Wad that has some seriously bullshit moments but still is fun overall? I have an idea.

>>1831528
Both Turbocharged Arcades, but I think that's the point.

>>1831498
What of we make a blood dragon wad?

>>1831465
apk when?

>>1831354
Is that Baron dressed like a clown?

>>1831535
I love the hell out of those, and might do a video on them, but they don't fit what I'm looking for. I'm talking about wads that are just maps, no added gameplay elements.
Something you can pair with a gameplay wad.

>>1831561
Hellbound.

>>1831561
Scythe, the last ten maps in particular.

Anyone got some nore asthetic mods like sipsons batman and pirate?

>>1830548
If the dude who de-IWADified DoomHack it's here I want to say you should release it, if you credit the persons who made the sprites and all that shit you shouldn't fear anything since even the guy who made it haven't said anything about it for a long time.

>>1831393

Did you try overwriting your current GZDoom files with the latest version?:

http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdoom/

>>1831528
Hey Debauch have you tried reuploading those videos with less potential-to-be-removed names?

>>1831707
Nah, but I put 'em up on Mega. Got the links right here.
https://mega.co.nz/#!VMojlTzL!Y74ohrDNaIbb8GzVWAAOdi3wQpKt9dxafZ0X6uRiHX0

https://mega.co.nz/#!YVBhWCrQ!Im6fcr9r1ERlwOOe1bqlIghLhMfaB7kEWuMPZtvLtzU

And the other two weren't removed, I just moved 'em here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP9AAA-q_ZmY7cWOjCEey6Q

Hey, what was the name of that one wad that was all of Doom 2 in a single map? I want to try it out, but my mind is drawing a blank on the name.

>>1831715
Memorial.

>>1831715
>>1831725
Interesting, i havent heard of this before. Does it change the levels at allthough ive played through doom 2 maybe a dozen times and not really feeling like doing the same thing again

>>1831725
Thanks.

1st for dinos

>>1831731
>Does it change the levels at all
there are a couple of changes here and there. it is mostly identical, though.

>>1831734
That Firestorm Cannon really needs more than 4 frames of animation.

What sourceport should I use for playing old as dirt wads? ie: batman doom, aliens tc

>>1831760
I think batman only works in prboom

>>1831765
http://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/Batman_Doom

chocolate doom claims to support it by the existence of this page.

DoomRLA manages to load, though actually playing it with a touch screen is another story.

>>1831472
>>1831496
I recently asked on the forums who I would actually get sued by if I hypothetically distributed G/ZDoom for money

The answer was along the lines of, "Bethesda probably, and Ken Silverman, and the guys who made FMOD"

i.e. not Randy or Graf Zahl

>>1831498
>>1831536
I can provide the music, and work on levels, and I'm good at code and graphic manipulation.
http://music.onslaughtsix.com/album/the-john-carpenter-ep
http://music.onslaughtsix.com/album/back-for-blood

>tfw completing your first ever map

This is quite fun. It's one of those activities that just eat the entire day away in what feels like 10 minutes.

How do you feel about maps that look like things in the map?
I've been considering making a few of those.

stimpack drawan

>>1831465
Man, I'd almost be tempted if my piece of shit phone didn't slow down when playing on Boom.

And if I had some kind of gamepad attachment, because playing Doom on a touch-screen is just wack.

>>1831890
>no ctrl Z ever
I wish I could be that confident with drawan, but no, never

remember when you make shotgunchan she has to be the best waifu ever, better than all others
she's the one you rely on

>>1831890
Neat.

good going keeping track of people PROMOTING stuff from /doom/

http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=5088

gg fgts, no re

With apologies to both Erik Alm and GMOTA Guy... a sneak preview of the next series of non-content that I'm "working" on. Yes, that's Windows Movie Maker. It's all that's needed, really.

>>1831472
>>1831818
It's licensed under GPL, which gives them the Ok to sell it. Freedoom is the same way.

Only problem is that (G)ZDoom features non-GPL code and assets so that would definitely be lawsuitworthy.

>>1831668
Actually, I got an e-mail back from that guy. I'll post it there in a minute.

>>1831734
What happened to that dino doom guy?

>>1831845
post it nigga

>>1831845
Now post it so I can tell you what to fix

(Although I can already say right now it needs more non-square geometry inside the actual levels, and you could probably do with some different floor textures throughout)

>>1831930

>Windows movie maker

How can you possibly subject yourself to that

>>1831942
I'm progressing slowly, nothing presentable yet, this would be better with my own PC

>>1831890
>Computer can't run OBS

Now I'm sad.

>>1831947
It's not that bad, and it's free if you have a modern computer

Honestly I've edited all my music videos with it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI3eltYdtEM&list=PL5at-CxEzCXjEFSS0a6iNet-_AUbzzlyP&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuGV0wUOSlY&list=PL5at-CxEzCXjEFSS0a6iNet-_AUbzzlyP&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QCrvRqNDZk&list=PL5at-CxEzCXjEFSS0a6iNet-_AUbzzlyP&index=3

>>1831947
Because, as I said, it's all I need for now. It ain't great, but it works.

>>1831930

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TucUi4odRf0

sup

>>1832029
Oh.

>>1831947
It's actually pretty good for making something in a hurry, if you don't need anything more than titles and transitions.

>>1832038

I was wondering why you're doing a scythe playthrough. But I didn't say anything because I wanted to see your silly commentary.

Please finish the video and upload it?

>>1831354
hey I'm on zandronum, anyone knows how do I prevent particles from disappearing ?

>>1832038
We really care a lot more about your commentary than you playing something no one else has. It's what turned just another video into something worth downloading from Mega.

>>1831945

http://wwwfiledroppercom/exmap1

There's probably something glaring I've missed completely, but advice is always nice.

Hnnngh

Can't wait for these to be done

>>1832090
>Doom styled Quake sprites
butifel

>>1832090

oh my.

>>1831794
Waiting for somebody to play HDoom on a touch screen
:^)

>>1831765
no, batman doom runs fine in chocolate-doom.

>>1832089
Well, alright!

You have a handle on mapping, but there's some "quirks" that I'd like to point out. These could easily become part of your mapping "style" but are things people don't generally do, which in turn kind of makes your map seem like it doesn't "belong."

-Cardinal Romero-breaking rule: "If the player can see outside, make sure there's a way to get there." Obviously you can just jump out the window but considering the map is otherwise vanilla-compatible and there's no way to get back in (or out) without jumping, it's...not a great idea. Mark the window lines as Impassible, and add a real way to reach outside.
-Similarly, I don't really like to put enemies that drop ammo or weapons in places the player can't reach them; I'd replace them with Imps since this is obviously a Map01
-A LOT of enemies wake up when you first shoot, and suddenly become active and start swarming the player. Consider making some of them deaf.
-Similarly, your monster closets are really telegraphed; they seem to come through these SUPPORT2 doors which don't look really good. Similarly, I don't really like mixing SUPPORT3 in with techbase textures but there's no reason you can't do it.
-Plus, lots of little rooms seem to exist for the sole purpose of having monsters in them, and nothing else. Instead of building the level around little hallways with little rooms, in the future consider making larger rooms (separated and connected with smaller rooms and hallways) that have non-orthogonal (read: not square or rectangular) shapes, with lots of height variation.
-In fact, the level has almost no height variation at all; everything is the same basic hallway shape. Plus, I REALLY don't recommend using the same floor texture throughout most of a level--change it up between room themes, the tan STARTAN can use the tan variation of the floor texture you have. Don't forget to change the floor height (even if only by 8 or 16) when you change floor textures.

>>1832131
>-A LOT of enemies wake up when you first shoot, and suddenly become active and start swarming the player. Consider making some of them deaf.
Better: sound-blocking lines. It's more natural, anyway.

>>1832131
>>1832089
-Similarly, don't use the same flat for the ceiling in the same room, that just looks bad
-There are some COMP textures that are missing from the level; are they from Doom 1? Doom 2 has a few missing textures/flats from Doom 2; I recommend using the Doom1 Textures for Doom 2 pack (d1gfxd2.wad) for that. You can include it in the zip, include it in the WAD (use SLADE) or just tell people they need to run it.
-I would recommend against chaingunners in the first map, just because killing them gives the player the chaingun, and that's already half their arsenal in the first level. It's very hard to balance a larger level set around that.
-I would very much recommend against using a door as an exit switch, and definitely put an exit sign by the exit so the player knows it's the end. Players don't always want to exit the level as soon as they find the exit; they may want to travel back and find secrets, pick up weapons, ammo, health, etc. Making it an innocuous door texture makes it easier for the player to "accidentally" exit the level; doubly so if there's no exit sign to tell them, "Hey, this is the exit."
-My main concerns about texturing is the very liberal use of SUPPORT2 the way you seem to do it; IMO that texture doesn't really look good in large patches the way you tend to use it, but that's personal taste I guess
-None of your doorways have Upper Unpegged on the textures; do this and they will automatically align with the rest of the wall
-No secrets, what the hell? ALWAYS place a secret in the level, even just one.

>>1832175
>>1832089
-Almost the ENTIRE level is lit at the same level. Lighting variation is a HUGE part of Doom levels and their atmosphere; keeping everything at 192 just keeps everything the same level throughout, and isn't very tense. You use a lot of light textures as steps or details (particularly, say, around the indented "carpet" rooms) which is...a little weird, and would make lighting those areas a little weirder. I would recommend using STEP textures instead and keeping the lights to areas they make sense.

>>1832137
This is also an option but is a little harder to control. Deaf enemies aren't purely deaf, either, it's a misnomer. What they really do is they still "wake up" when they hear you, but will only attack when they see you.

>>1832185
>>1832089
Overall I wouldn't say it's "bad" and a lot of the problems I have are more design-related than technical, but IMO both things are equally important to Doom level design. A lot of levels are better done if you think about specific areas you want to make first, and then build the level around that, instead of just starting a level and building from there. Doing it the other way will let you more organically integrate secrets, monster encounters, different shaped rooms with interesting lighting and variation, etc.

You've got a good start, now just keep working. Play through Knee Deep In The Dead again and really look at the way certain things are, and don't be afraid to pull it up as a reference point when you're doing a level. If you're ever like, "What ceiling texture goes good with TEKGREEN?" don't be afraid to minimize Doom Builder, open up the game and literally go find a level with TEKGREEN and use that same texture.

We're conditioned to look at the game as it exists, so by imitating and aping parts of it, players will immediately think your stuff is good.

>>1832201
>>1832089
Oh, last thing I swear: You seem like you like detailing; it's entirely possible that you might just be a "detail mapper" and not be any good at coming up with layouts. Which is fine! There are tons of mappers who like to do level layouts but suck ass at detailing, so maybe you can team up with someone and make maps that are the best of both worlds.

>>1832089
>This webpage is not available
???

>>1832212
Oh I got it, had to put in the dots.

>>1832212
Put periods in the obvious places. He did it to avoid spam filter

Did id really test their games on Nightmare difficulty? Who exactly did it?

>>1832220

probably Romero. He's arguably the father of speedrunning, after all

>>1832220
Nightmare didn't exist when Doom first came out.

They use Ultra Violence.

>>1832221
Speedrunning goes back much further than Doom.

>>1832220
>>1832221
Also Romero set the PAR times.

http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/Par_time

>>1832238
>John Romero generated the par times by completing each level as fast as possible, rounding off the resulting time and adding 30 seconds.
>E1M1:30s
So he completed the level in approximately zero seconds?

>>1832238
>doom.wikia.com
Nigga...
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Par_time

>>1832247
>Rounding off the resulting time.

>>1832248
Sorry, just wanted to answer the question quickly.

Anny suggestions for how to redesign a Guardian of hell as a doom sprite?

>>1832090

They look pretty damn nice, but something about that painting style bothers me. The highlights aren't sharp enough. Everything kinda looks like the same material, but with a different texture/color.

I like the pickups a lot though.

>>1832089
Found a technical issue.

These boogers were stuck together. Like boogers.

>>1832251
>Rounding off the resulting time.
You needed to give slightly more information. He rounded down to the last 15s increment, it seems, so he beat E1M1 and E1M8 in under 15 seconds.

>>1832265
Also, I can't get out of this room. I'm guessing you only tested in ZDoom.

>>1832271
E1M8 doesn't have a par time, as you don't get an intermission screen after it (at least in vanilla).

>>1831472
Happens all the time on the Android market. There are people who actually have the balls to charge like $5 for SNES9X.

>some mapping contest for a sonic mod
>someone made a map based off the great gatsby

>>1832278
You can't open that door? There's no reason you shouldn't be able to. (Not the map maker)

>>1832261
It resembles D64 a lot, so

>>1832286
E4M8 has a >30s par time though, but it's been so long I don't remember if it actually has an intermission screen or not.

So I had this idea the other day, mentioned it in the IRC, but would anyone be interested in starting another hopefully manageable /vr/ wad project? The idea:

A 20 level mega-wad, each level being done in the style of of your average pwad in a year of Doom wad creation. 1994 - 2014.

So level one would be 1994, so maybe start out with a room similar to ORIGWAD, and move up to slightly more advanced stuff as it goes, pretty much just using Doom 1 resources and monsters.

1995 would be more doom 2, and may feature some altered textures that probably don't fit well with the palette too well. But areas are more thought out and such.

1996 things would pick up and geometry would be getting more detailed, but nothing amazing. Sprites/textures are more in-tune with the Doom style.

etc...

Anyway. Thoughts, concerns, input?

>>1832332
Have /vr/ collabs actually produced results before?

>>1832340
We just put out a megawad of speedmaps.

>>1832298
Yeah there is - there's a WR line right in front of the door that eats the use attempts.
Marking the line to have use pass through (Pass Use in SLADE 3, dunno in DB2) fixes the issue.

>>1832340
200 minutes of /vr/ was the first collab we ever really did.

Someone wanted to get together a room by room wad, but that's not super feasible.

This idea might not be either, at least not with anonymous posting. Would probably have to either hop on IRC, or start a group somewhere else to get anywhere... But that's why I asked for input :-p

Would you guys like to see Romero working with ID again or rather not? Especially after Carmack left the ship.

>>1832332
Doesn't sounds quite interesting.

Why don't we start a normal boom-compatible megawad without any gimmicks? No restrictions, no specific rules, just stick to few pre-defined themes. I think we got what it takes to make the next classic megawad.

>>1832351
I don't give a shit about id. I just want Carmack and Romero reunited.

>>1832332
How do you begin to define the maps after that though? What constitutes a "2014" map? A "2007" map? etc.

>>1832348
I...have never heard about "Pass Use" and it's not an option in DB2 at all; is it a Boom feature maybe?

>>1832352
I'm in, I have tons of stuff laying around. Boomp-compatible or limit removing would be fine with me; I'm used to doing straight vanilla.

>>1832357
That did seem an issue to me too, you'd have to start aping specific mappers, since doom wads got more organized and categorized.

>>1832352
I'd be happy with this too, honestly.

>>1832340
We did 200 Minutes of /vr/, which I think actually turned out pretty good.

And when I say "we", I insinuate that I gave some pointers and ideas that showed up in the final result. Gosh, you guys make me blush, hurr hurr!

>>1832362
Yeah, Boom added a flag that allows use actions to pass through a line. Bit 9, if it's useful.
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Linedef

also is it just me or do my captchas get harder depending on which computer I use

>>1832332
I think instead of by year you should have them be done by jumps in technical advancements. So like have the first mod be something straight out of 1994 and then have the next one be a few years ahead for whatever advancement someone discovered in the Doom engine next for the wad and so on.

>>1832352
Well I'm already making a map for another piece of shit, and it's Boom-compatible. When (if) I finish that one, I could contribute to this.

>>1832357
Could use the top 10/Cacoward winners for each year as a baseline. For instance, 2007's Cacowards included KDIZD and UTNT, so the map for that year would likely include hyperdetailing to the point of annoyance (not to the point of unplayability, though) as one of its main features.

Hey, I posted a short MAP01 here a while ago. I'm mostly finished with the MAP02 but I wanted some advice on the gameplay and balance so far. Hopefully some of you fine folks can help on the ammo/monster balance front. I'm just uploading the MAP02 by itself so it can be played from pistol start. (Ignore the red door in the blue door room, there's nothing there yet.)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3d8MboB9Ll5ZmtUVDNSd3NNR3M/edit?usp=sharing

I'm thinking about putting the berserk pack in the chaingun room, since right now you can only get it through the secret, and you get enough shotgun ammo from the secret that you never need to use the berserk pack.

The video is doing it's thing. You folks be patient.

>>1832365
I usually hate slaughter maps but I really enjoyed /pol/ wad. That happening meter that goes up as you continue was such a nice touch.

>>1832376
Well then to use that, you'd have to make sure the map is made to Boom specifications instead of just Doom 2

Honestly it wouldn't be a problem if the dude made his doorways a lot bigger; 32 units should be enough instead of the 8 he has now

IMO the Doom engine isn't really built for subtlety that way; do shit in big swatches and it works much better

>>1832380
That's even harder to figure out in my mind...

Maybe it was a silly idea. Though >>1832384 has a good point.

Maybe we should just work our way up to a themed wad, and go with the next logical step like >>1832352 suggested. Though it'd still be nice to have some coordination with level difficulty and style anyway. Tech to Hell, or tech to Earth to Hell, or something. Start with Pluto, and move to jupiter then a space station over earth. That's what I'd do... Yeah... Space is rad.

How do I upload stuff to /idgames?

>>1832376
>is it just me or do my captchas get harder depending on which computer I use
Yes, captcha will be harder if you're not logged into a Google service on your computer in some way or other.
It also gets harder the more you fail at it.
(I really think moot should look at a better alternative)

>>1831818
>Ken Silverman
wut

>>1832421

Build engine code which was allegedly borrowed

>>1832390
I would say, add more health. Not a lot, just a few more stimpacks here and there in non-conspicuous places, or even just tossing them in the player's path. Ammo is fine, weapon progression is fine. I didn't find the blue key but I was too busy worrying about my health to do much exploring

Those stairs with the STEPTOP texture will cause a tutti-frutti effect in vanilla/chocolate since the actual texture is only 16 pixels high, but they're on a 20 pixel high surface. Any texture in vanilla Doom that isn't exactly 128 tiles high will texture oddly and have misplaced random pixels after its texture "runs out"

This room has a weird lighting effect that I think might actually be a slime trail (see picture)

>>1832407
What the difference between Pluto and Jupiter would be? I don't see many difference.

My suggestions are for three level sets:

> Map01-Map11 Space Stations
> Map12-20 Tech Hell (Either UAC Bases on Hell, or technological Demon strongholds, you know, let's make a "Sci-Fi Hell", to evade the "Medieval Hell" cliche)
> Map21-30 Twisted/Hellish/Destroyed City (Stuff like Hellbound or After the Holocaust)

>>1832431
Just the skybox. I was thinking a moon orbiting jupiter.

>>1832429
>>1832390
Here's what the steps (and the other area you used that texture on) look like in Chocolate

If this isn't your target, then you might consider making the map Boom-compatible instead, since most people using Boom will be using PRBoom+ or ZDoom, neither of which have the tutti-frutti problem

>>1832431
I'd suggest split the first episode between space stations and moon bases.

What sourceport do you guys usually play in?

>>1832440
I don't think Boom can do multiple skyboxes beyond what Doom 2 initially has, so keep that in mind.

>>1832431
I like this guy's concept. Gives me a chance to do a bunch of neat Hellbase E2 shit. Some of that can come creeping into the later E1 shit too (I think 11 levels of straight techbase will be boring as fuck but that's me)

>>1832445

ZDoom, pretty often because I'm lazy to play Boom maps on their proper port

But whenever I have the chance I do actually whip up PrBoom+ for Boom stuff, ZDoom for ZDoom stuff, yadda yadda. Mostly because there's an actual purpose for me to play it under the correct port (bugfixing, giving feedback about map testing, etc.)

Regular Doom play? ZDoom, once again, because I'm just that lazy and I just want to play Doom

>>1832445

Zandronum because that's what I mod for and GZDoom is quite broken for me at the moment.

Well, what about this?

>MAP01-MAP06 Space Stations
>MAP07-MAP11 UAC Tech Bases (either on moons or other planets)
>MAP12-MAP20 Variated hell levels (techbases, castles, organic levels)
>MAP21-MAP30 Variated City levels (destroyed cities, cities being assimilated by Hell, etc.)

And I think we should take Hellbound's example, by interconnecting levels exits and entrances, making it look like one level is a continuation of the previous one.

>>1832429
Yeah I got the same lighting issue in Prboom+. Not exactly sure what I fucked up there, I'll go back in and take it apart later.

>>1832442
Damn. Is there a way to convert it to Boom format without screwing up sector specials and linedef actions and such? Or does that all transfer smoothly?

>>1832467
Isn't recurring nightmares trying to do that with Knee Deep?

>>1832390
Honestly, health isn't that big of an issue - once you get your hands on the blue key, the hard part is over, and you can get a shiny SSG and kill everything without much issue. I didn't have any health troubles once I got the SSG.

The red key door behind the blue key door not opening was counterintuitive - why use the red door texture if the red key can't open it?

>>1832445
GZDoom all the way homie.

>>1832445
ZDoom if I'm not using fancy wads or playing regular Doom, GZDoom if I'm using the more fancy wads.

>>1832467
>>1832431
>City levels.
Honestly, did anybody like the city levels? And not in a "I don't mind them" way, I mean, did someone really like the city levels way more than the Tech Base/Hell Base/Hell levels?

>>1832448
Well we only need 3 for pluto Jupiter and a space station (or whatever).

Regardless 3 should be fine.

>>1832431
Here's a reverse for you. Start in hell, move to earth, last levels are a space station.

>>1832487
See the first post. Level isn't finished yet, there's nothing behind that door.

Thanks for the feedback - getting the SSG immediately actually made the level harder on my test runs, since you're probably going to be dealing with all the shotgunners in the main room at lower health. Also, using the SSG a lot may leave you a little short on ammo (I like this since it keeps you using the OG shotgun to take out imps and zombiemen).

>>1832537
No, I've never like the city sky textures, which is why I'd rather stick to more of a space horror theme. We can do Hell on Luna or something, but I'd like to stay off earth myself. Having earth itself in the skybox would be neat though.

>>1832537
I like anything that isn't Tech Base/Hell Base/Hell for the sole fact of not being another Tech Base/Hell Base/Hell map for the nth time.

>>1832332
why 20 levels? if its gonna be based off doom 2, why not a full 32 mega-wad?

>>1831354
Has there been any popular .wads based on other games? I'm surprised I've never seen any Mass Effect based stuff. I've only ever seen that Call of Duty one and Resident Evil Mercs one that was pretty cool

>>1832561
How's life 12 years in the future, anon?

>>1832564
excuse me?

>>1832554
We could go another route entirely. Underground cavern, Desert, Snowy, Space (I really want some portion of it to be in a space/lunar station), inside a canyon, that sort of thing.

>>1832561
Well the original idea was to do one level for one year. There aren't enough years.

But if we're just doing a restriction removing wad, then 32 (or however many worthy applicants we get) is fine. Which brings me to another thought: Quality. I feel like we should have some quality control. We can always add rejects to levels 33+ like we did with Anachronism, but for the main wad I feel like there should be a vote of some sort.

hey guise, I'm kinda new to the Doom modding scene, any PWADS i must try?

>>1832564

we just had a 32-level megawad released, try again

>>1832568
The idea for the project was to make a map based on the average map from each year. Since Doom 2 is 20 years old, that'd be 20 maps.

>>1832568
>>1832578
read the suggestion really carefully
one map per year
per year
has doom been around for 32 years?

>>1832537
I doubt it. I really loved the idea of city levels but they really flubbed when it came to the design of it. It hardly felt like I was in a city on earth at all.

>>1832584
Oh wait I thought you were talking about Doom 2 not city levels in general. I like city levels when it feels like I'm in an actual city.

>>1832582
>has doom been around for 32 years?

who knows

>>1832537
Speedrunning Downtown is fun but it's kind of boring to play normally. The second half of industrial zone is cool. Other than that they're mostly shit.

>>1832574
Sup. >>1801909


I recommend Deus Vult 2. It's pretty great.

>>1832586
>>1832584
I thought we were talking about the sky boxes... I don't like the city ones.

I actually don't care for the city levels in general either, but I'm sure we can do nicer in this day and age.

>>1832590
first 12 maps are maps in the style of maze war, midi maze, catacombs 3d, wolfenstein 3d and other early fpses

>>1832445
ZDoom for casual play of new levels, mods, etc.
PRBoom+ for casual "vanilla" play & sometimes level testing
Chocolate Doom for testing

>>1832563

Metroid Dreadnought was released recently.
It's pretty nice.

>>1832467
Interconnecting exits & entrances can be tricky, especially with as many map authors as we might have. Plus, some levels can end in, say, a walkover into a teleporter or a floor hole with a skybox; how do you "connect" those levels?

>>1832469
>Is there a way to convert it to Boom format without screwing up sector specials and linedef actions and such? Or does that all transfer smoothly?
Boom is basically just "Doom extended," it's not an entire rewrite of the line special system like Doom in Hexen or UDMF is. Honestly though, you'd be better off choosing a different texture for it entirely, it doesn't look that great in ZDoom either.

>>1832487
I never found the blue key, so I never got the SSG.

>>1832584
>>1832571
It would be hard to do very interesting desert or snow levels with the regular texture set; maybe we should decide on that first instead

So is there an apk of the newest version of doom touch? I know the gzdoom support and controls are gonna be shit but i can work with it.

>>1832665
I imagine we'd make textures as needed/wanted. 64x128 is pretty easy to knock out.

But yeah, those probably aren't the best choices.

>>1832709
Telling people to make new textures opens up a whole can of worms...It'd be easier to just pick a pre-existing texture pack and say, "Use this or use nothing."

Community Chest 4 had a good texture pack, there's the Doom 2 Recoloured pack, and some others that are all solid

>>1832723
Recommending cc4-tex.wad. It can get you through tons of maps styles easily.

>>1832738
Seconded. I haven't used it yet so it'll be interesting!

Do we really need another boom-compatible megawad?

Why don't we use Doom in Hexen Format our UDMF? Let's make something like Zpack, but without the unecessary Realm667 monsters.

>>1832746
Eh. I like Boom more, using it now. If I contribute to a UDMF project, it'll be... a Boom map copy-pasted over.

Yo.
What are some good, retro fps related, videos? Speedruns, frag movies, whatever.

What are some WADs with good custom monsters like Scythe 2?

Is Doom 64 worth playing?

>>1832746
There's no point in using Hexen format anymore, UDMF has surpassed it

Besiding that, much like the last project it will PROBABLY have a handful of "MyFirstMap.wad" and if possible, I'd like to encourage vanilla/Boom compatible for that instead of telling newbies to brush up on their fucking 3D floors and shit

It's VERY hard to get started with UDMF because then you have to keep track of shit like the door movement speeds, etc. and not a lot of people have the patience for that; it's easier to just say it's Boom compat and do that

>>1832782
Batman Doom
Twilight Warrior
ZanZan
Massmouth
Massmouth 2
Massmouthmass
Action Doom
Action Doom 2
Super Sonic Doom
Phocas Island 2
Foreverhood v1.0
Zen Dynamics
Cheogsh
Cheogsh 2
Realm of Cheogsh
Knee Deep in ZDoom
BGPA Missions: Liberation
Cold as Hell
Community Is Falling 3
Temple of the Lizardmen
Temple of the Lizard Men 2
Temple of the Lizard Men 3
Paranoid
Happy Time Circus
Happy Time Circus II
School Doom II
Vanessa the killer bitch
ZBlood
NeoDoom Gold Edition
Zombies
The Ultimate Torment & Torture
The City of the Damned Apocalypse
The Refinery

>>1832789
Yep

>>1832723
Yeah, CC4 is great. There's no reason to not use custom textures if you want to though.

>>1832782
Ultimate Torment & Torture, since a lot of the R667 monsters come from that.

>>1832789
On the console, I'm not sure. Emulating, definitely not, because if you're going to emulate it, you might as well just play Doom64EX, which runs on the PC and has mouselook and is basically awesome.

>>1832789

Doom 64 is the real Doom 3.

>>1832782
Beyond Reality.

>>1832801
>much like the last project it will PROBABLY have a handful of "MyFirstMap.wad"

So much of this; having it on any ZDoom-based format will be ironic considering how most people never expected us to whip up something in vanilla; you know, because we're /doom/, the little dirty zdoomish peoples who pirated their IWADs and play gimmicky mods

>>1832802
>happy time circus II

why are quake 3 weapon models so bad christ

>>1832789
yes, it's good. playing it with a real n64 controller (or any controller) can be a bit of a pain, there is a source port that takes the doom 64 rom, and makes it into a .wad to be played as a doom mod. It's called doom 64 ex, I like it better than doom 64 tc because it's more faithful to the original doom 64.

http://doom64ex.wordpress.com/

>>1832801
I with the vanilla/boom compatibility. Boom mostly. Vanilla is too limiting, and (sorry new mappers) it'd be nice to out a quality wad out of /vr/ (other than gameplay mods)

Has anyone ever attempted to translate DOOM?
I've been an amateur translator for years and I'm beginning a translation degree this year, and this looked like a good challenge in creativity translating the amusing text, and modifying the game's texts and graphics.

A lot of text is actually graphics and I have to tamper with the game's code, so I'll probably end up releasing it as a recompiled ZDoom with patches for the WADs.

>>1832827
correction, it would play as a standalone doom iwad that would be used by the source port it comes with.

>>1832803
Looks a little nicer when darker. More like a Hexen texture either way...

>>1832826
>laser sight on a double-barrel shotgun

>>1832835
I think most of the places it was released it had a native translation (French, German, etc.)

>>1832828
Well if anyone doubts we can do "quality" there's /vr/speed to shut them the fuck up

>>1832848
I know there is an official French translation, which is apparently rare and I can't find the WAD file.
I couldn't find anything about other languages. I doubt it was in Spanish and Italian because we got next to no games in our languages until the early 2000s, and there doesn't seem to be a German translation.

>>1832835
I only know of the French Doom II release and the Doom I/II releases for the Japanese PC-98.

>>1832868
There is this
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?file=utils/exe_edit/patches/french.zip
and this
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?file=utils/exe_edit/patches/frpatch.zip

>>1832868

Yeah I remember a video on youtube of a french guy (who happened to speak english, too) playing Doom 2 coop with /vr/ and /v/ (I think?) and the text messages and hud text was in french, interestingly.

>>1831959
dude are you using a potato

Ta-da! It's live!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir4N4dI0oCg&feature=youtu.be

Anyone know which WAD this pic is from? It's prolly the most well known image of doom (ingame, anyway).

>>1832897
Doom 2 Map24

>>1832853
Well, no, i agree. I mean consistent quality. For 200 minutes and the skill level many mappers were at I think we did damn admirably. But far from the level of many renowned wads.

>>1832654
I recommend every one to make a simple placeholder exit room, that can later be replaced and connected after the map order is decided.

>>1832906
I disagree, because that's just going to cause more problems than it would "solve."

We're already going to have a variety of mapping styles, difficulty curves, etc. so IMO there's no reason to worry so much about "continuity"

IMO honestly, if a WAD has a bunch of cool levels I don't give a fuck what order they're in

>>1831682

Why are there trees in nukage?

>>1832896

>>1832906
Good plan.

Alright... So... Episode themes... Spit out ideas, and we can strawpoll for the top 3.

>>1832876
Oh, so there's a patch available!
Hopefully with this I can compare and learn more about changing the game's text... and getting more examples for the NIGHTMARE font style.

There's apparently some way to put several translations in a single file:
http://zdoom.org/wiki/LANGUAGE
And the original DOOM seems to have files for most (if not all) text strings in English and French, but I can't find where they are in zDoom.
http://sourceforge.net/p/chocolate-doom/code/HEAD/tree/branches/chocolate-doom-0.1/src/d_englsh.h
http://sourceforge.net/p/chocolate-doom/code/HEAD/tree/branches/chocolate-doom-0.1/src/d_french.h

I am pretty new to DOOM modding and editing source code in general, so I'd greatly appreciate it if someone knows where's those text strings.

>>1832914
Do whatever. Can't they come organically? If we have a bunch of spacey maps, then there's a space episode. If there's a bunch of hellbase shit, there's a hellbase ep. Anything that doesn't fit can probably be retextured.

I think you're overthinking it. Get off 4chan and get on Doom Builder.

>>1832924
Alright. Let's just fucking do it then.
CC4tex and random mapping - go.

>>1832913
pic related

>>1832924
Timeframe? As in, when's the cutoff date? Whenever we get 32 maps?

>>1832910
Connecting levels is easier than it sounds, I could even do this myself. On levels that seems impossible to be connected, you can always just toss a teleport, and make sure that these teleports matches the same style.

>IMO honestly, if a WAD has a bunch of cool levels I don't give a fuck what order they're in

I disagree. It's ok if they follow up the same theme, but I think it's a big of a buzzkill when you are playing a good hell map, then suddenly and without any explanation, you are on a techbase, then on the next level you get back to another hellish level. It ruins the atmosphere, and breaks any fantasy about fighting the forces of Hell to save humanity, and reminds the player that he is just running through mazes, shooting stuff and collecting keys.

>>1832928
Sounds fine to me. But shoot for a Halloween release.

>>1832826
>>1832841
They are pretty unforgivable, yeah. UT99 models were so much better it's not even funny.

>>1832537

City levels are only good in Duke Nukem

>>1832957

Douk's city levels are the best in douk. Some of my favorites in vidya

>>1832932
As a mapper, I don't like when other mappers make sweeping structural changes to my maps, even if they're only in the very end or beginning of the map

I am VERY picky about how my levels start, and having to match someone else's ending, or to shoehorn in my beginning to someone else's ending, is not a good idea.

If there are maps that it'll work for, fine, but not every map needs to do this.

> I could even do this myself.
I'd rather you don't.

Post some wads with great city levels.

>>1832965
>>1832932
Fuck it, guys. Just map. No matching entrances/exits unless agreed upon by the authors when the level order is figured out.

If you're cool with matching exits, then plan for it. If not, no worries.

>>1832972
Doom 2 IWAD.

>>1832976

hue

>>1832964

Roch Saga is the best

>>1832972

Hellbound
Urban Slaughter
Vanilla Sky

Would it be impossible to make a Doom source port that adds the build engine's features?

>>1832976
Doom 2 has terrible city levels. Shit looks like someones first attempt at a doom map.

>>1832996
Randi's doing Blood support for ZDoom.
So no.

>>1833000
Nice, looking forward to that.

>>1833000
>Randi's doing Blood support for ZDoom
Beg your pardon?

>>1833012
http://zdoom.org/Changelog
Scroll to July 29th.

>>1833000
>>Randi's doing Blood support for ZDoom.

Like Blood Blood? Or something like the TC wad? Cause if it's the actual game then holy shit I am really excited.

Caleb for samsara CONFIRMED

>>1833034

Didnt Termy said he wouldnt add him because of simularity issues?

>>1833038

I'm being a smartass. Let me have my fun

Dammit Terminus, I can't play a pre alpha over the top mod without a over the top hud, you made me do a shitty one myself

Hey guys.
Sorry if this is not the place to ask, I haven't played videogames in ages, much less visit these boards.
What do I need to play this? http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=33219

Speaking of Blood, looks like we know who owns the IP rights: Warner Bros.

>>1833060
You'll need GZdoom, and a copy of any of the Doom IWADS.

>>1833065
Ok. Why GZdoom and not Zdoom?

Also is it worth buying it or romero and carmack are getting no money out of it?
if that is the case, where can I find it?

>>1833000
Wait so ZDoom is also gonna support the Build engine now?

>>1833048

Oh shit, I fucking love that skull effect.

>>1833069

GZDoom because it renders using OpenGL and thus generally looks a bit better.

As for the buying thing, Romero and Carmack are not getting a dime out of it.

The IWADs can be found here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27048651/iwads.zip

>>1833069
>Also is it worth buying it or romero and carmack are getting no money out of it?

Neither of them are getting money out of it.
And check the FAQ in the OP.

>>1833080
>>1833082
Ok.
Thanks anons.

>>1833069
>>1833083

>or romero and carmack are getting no money out of it?

they don't get money out of the steam release.

carmack doesn't even care if you pirate it

>>1833048

I really like the skullhud (though it could use some polishing), but the extended bars are guaranteed to not cooperate with people who don't play in widescreen.
...that being said, before anyone goes >NOT PLAYING IN WIDESCREEN, there's the ability for sbarinfo to check for someone's screen ratio. So it might be double the work, but I could have the HUD accommodate people's preferences easily.

>>1833085

wut. not even the file i meant to post

here.

Remember:
Report and ignore..

What do you guys think of Brutal Doom, but be honest.
I think its actually okay, despite the fact that it uses modern elements.

You guys know if it will ever be possible for Reelism to get multiplayer support in the future? Seems like it'd be fun as hell to do infinite mode seeing who could survive the longest.

>>1833105
I think it's an ok wad that gets more praise than it deserves. Pretty much everything it tries to accomplish has been done better in other wads, hell Doom RPG has better gore than it and the gore isn't even the main focus of that one.

>>1833000
>>1833017
Shit you normaly expect this for eduke32, but Zdoom?

>>1833106

wait fot Zandro 2.0 for a semi-functional compatibility experience; in the meantime someone actually did a semi-butchered version of Reelism, it's in the forums somewhere

One thing is for sure, once Reelism arrives on Zandronum, oh boy, many mods will suffer a gruesome death for sure

>>1833106
>>1833112
You can always use the ZDoom multiplayer. Make sure the skill level is set to like 0 or 1 because that determines the game mode.

DO NOT RESPOND TO THE POST ABOVE
JANITORS WILL DO THEIR JOB

>>1833091
it's a skull from Heretic's hud that i tinted and slapped the shiny eyes, of course it needs polishing.

Doing code for widescreen is worth it as with longer bars you feel like the bar fills faster

also christ almighty coding without else

>>1833120
If mods delete that post then there's something wrong with mods
he's just trying to help

Doomhacknon here. I'm back and I have an orange slushie. Here's what I got in response to that email.

>>1832891
It's a 5+ year old laptop that has no working internal fan, no working battery, chipped, scratched, and just generally doesn't work right.

>>1832896
Excellent work good sir!
>Lady Imp-tan
Medieval Princess Imp-tan. We must see it.

>>1833000
I thought he was just making a Blood port via Reverse-engineering, similar to how what'shisface who did the Strife reverse-engineering did it.

>>1833069
None of the Id OGs are still in Id Software. Carmack was the last man keeping us fearful of distributing IWADs, and he's gone 4 gud.

Anyway, regarding the e-mail (read it if you want), I'll go ahead and throw up what I've got.

First off, his link there is
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/61176790/fatherofdoom.7z
(Not too sure what's in it yet.)

FIRST LINK: Doomhack the PWAD.
http://puu.sh/aDNLk.wad
This still has the modified Doom levels in it, but there's not enough to make it a full IWAD. It won't run standalone. I can find Doom 1 level modifications from 1994 on /idgames, so I figure this is cool.

SECOND LINK: Doomhack the Gameplay Mod
http://puu.sh/aDOGa.wad
This is pretty much the same as the first, but does not contain any maps or textures. It's pretty easy to make yourself from the first one if it's taking too long to download. This can be run on top of any megawad (or single-map wad even) that you want, provided it doesn't modify original monsters via DECORATE or something.

This mod DOES require ZDoom to play. Even though it uses DeHackEd it just doesn't seem to work in PRBoom+.

>>1833135

KNOWN BUGS:
- Yukkuris will revert to original Demon graphics on death. This happens in the IWAD too.
- Sometimes the Autoaim function will just refuse to work. A port to DECORATE may fix that.
- Some songs might be really quiet or just not play at all. Trying to pin the cause of this one. (It might just be my computer.)

So uh, enjoy. I'd like to hear what you guys would like to see from this mod. The first thing I'm thinking about doing is adding obituaries so you don't just keep getting "Player died." I thiiiiink I removed every copyrighted asset.

>>1833135
>Medieval Princess Imp-tan

So, the HDoom imp-tan in a dress?

>>1833135
B-but I don't know how to sprite edit!
I was just going to use HMOD again, except censor the boobies and caption it: "Within the lady's personal bedroom..."

>>1833139
>- Yukkuris will revert to original Demon graphics on death. This happens in the IWAD too.

They're all supposed to play a Doom 2 gibbed death animation on death; can't really remember which one

Anyway, HUGE, HUGE thanks for releasing this.

>>1833135
>>1831359

>>1833154
Oh hey yeah, here's some news, newsguy!
Nothing truly spectacular but "Some guys are fixing Doomhack!"

Also I just checked that "Work folder" TCT posted and it's already tons better than what I hockled together. Use that instead.

>>1833156

What's Doomhack? It's prolly in >>1833135 but I'm too lazy to read it atm.

what are the maps that have the best geometry/architecture?

already played sunder and frozent

>>1833160
Doomhack is a mod from 2010 for ZDoom using DeHackEd. In it, you play as Dick Gumshoe and there is a lot of internet memes in it.

It's terribly horribly OP and unbalanced and tons of fun at least just to look at.

The only thing stopping it from garnering any sort of attention was due to it being a modified IWAD, which is illegal. These are modified modified IWADs turned PWADS, so they're significantly "more legal".

It's hard to describe. Just give it a shot.

(I'd post a better file but the one I was going to post is already here >>1830548 )

>attempt to activate wall with lift texture
>nothing happens

Map pet peeves?

>>1833176

>map geometry perfectly doable in vanilla
>map was done in ZDoom in Hexen

this question was left unanswered >>1830216 probably no one had the will

or maybe people thought it was a rhetorical one

Are there any levels that use the 32X soundtrack?

http://www.doom2.net/~doomdepot/music.html#32x

>>1833197

none as far as I know, probably because it'll be berated by AVGN groupies

>>1833202
>it'll be berated by AVGN groupies

Or because the 32X soundtrack was just rushed garbage. It could have sounded fantastic if the people who made that port actually took their time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZKg2ryLGYM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brBQVcf37Xc

Would love to see a soundfont using the sound that the Genesis or 32X had.

>>1833191
If you don't like pixels you don't belong on /vr/ period

>>1833210
The Genesis chip was just perfect for doing all the instruments that were popular in the late 80s early 90s. It's amazing.

>>1833176
>Megawad is a roller coaster of difficulty with a map having monsters near the thousands, then the very next having barely a hundred
>Overuse of monster closets
>Cyberdemon popping up behind you with no warning, no alert sound, no teleport sound, nothing
>Map kills you if you don't speedrun it, yet is extremely heavy on trial and error traps
>Map says you're on Earth
>It's textured like the fucking moon
>Lifts that surround you with hitscanners when you reach the top
>Every map is designed to be pistol started but the last few maps pretty much give you nothing until long after you've been anally fisted by Revenants and Arch-viles
Guess the wad

>>1833223

wow.wad?

>>1833210
To be fair, the 32X had a shelf life of about three weeks. If they took any more time to work on the music, the console would have already been on clearance

>>1833228
Well that was definitely my verbal reaction. All those relate to the same wad, by the way.

>>1833176
>"decorative" doors that can't actually be opened
>uses the exact same door texture as openable doors

>>1833223
>Map says you're on Earth
>It's textured like the fucking moon

Out of all the complaints to level, this one is pretty fucking weak.

>>1833135
>personal stupid request:
adding a "GS pokéball" (rare and limited ammunition) as a weapon is out of question? So I can capture Broly or Airman and use it against the horde?

>>1833210
>Thunder Force 4 style
Noice

>>1833253
Can that even be done?
I don't think that can even be done.
And if it can I want my Pokemon Doom mod already.

>>1833223
Scythe? I don't remember it having some of those though.

Lots of recommended WAD's tend to be megawads. What are some other high quality WAD's that are lunatic/vanguard length???

>>1833223
Chillax?

>>1833263
Yeah, it's Scythe. Pretty good wad overall, but I was getting a little agitated towards the end.
>>1833249
And no, a map isn't ruined for me if it doesn't look like what it should, I just found it strange. I guess considering Doom 2's city I shouldn't be surprised, but eh.

>>1833048
What mod is this?

>>1833269

Epic
Dissolution
Shaitan's Luck
Combat Shock

>>1832537
>Honestly, did anybody like the city levels?
Hellground has great city levels.

>>1833281

DemonSteele, a very-pre-alpha mod started up recently about being an chinese ninja. Pretty fun, though the lack of weapon sprites is starting to show.

https://github.com/TerminusEst13/Folded1000Times

>>1833173
>>1833139
>>1833135
I don't care what do you say, you are awesome for converting DoomHack into a .wad file and you have my grattitude.

>>1833283
*Hellbound

Wow, are DeHackEd patches always a mess to read?

I just finished playing through Reverie as recommended in one of these threads. It was very enjoyable. I think I like maps like those in Reverie better than the type where you have a huge open room with 200 enemies all shooting at you at once. It has a few situations like that but nothing like what I had in some other wads that people say are great.

>>1833316
It has a distinct style, pretty unique but it is super easy to get lost on some of the maps. Tech towers comes to mind.

>>1833314

you may probably want to open that using either the DOS exe or WhackEd.

there's people within the community which would easily create a .DEH file from scratch without guides, just the pure text editor. remember, this thing has been around since 1995

http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Dehacked

>>1833321
>http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Dehacked
Of course, of course, I just was hoping I could decipher this shit without having to download another program.

To be fair, I got kinda close!
(Someone please come up with a better obituary than that.)

>>1833327

you may waint to replace the ["$OB_Zombie"] bit with the actual ["%o was yadda yadda"]; the stuff in green is for comments

//this is how you put random comments in DECORATE without harming the code

>>1833328
>Mfw I've worked in DECORATE before and I miss this.
Fuck me.

>>1833327
"%o's power was stolen by Mega Man. "

tarnsman got all butthurt last night when someone here said he had the worst stream on twitch. he made it the title of his stream and was complaining about how it's fucked up everyone hates him.

>>1833135
Oh for crying out-

I didn't think you were gonna post that email I sent.

Well, as long as DoomHack is on the table, I may as well offer my input. I just ran the PWAD and Gameplay Mod versions on clean installs of ZDoom, PRBoom and Chocolate Doom, and ZDoom is still the only one that works "fully." Here's what I found as far as bugs:

-The music anomalies are probably because, aside from MAP30's, they're all SNES SPC files which only play in ZDoom and even then, not very well. Flavorful as they are, they should probably be axed or placed in a separate WAD. And feel free to get rid of MAP30's music, it's an MP3 and would shrink the filesize quite a bit.

-Kunios (Shotgun Guys) aren't supposed to make the Pikachu noise or the freaky scream, just the "huh-HUH" laugh. This is because their idle sound is DSPOSIT2, which now also calls DSPOSIT1 and 3 but didn't in older versions of ZDoom.

-In MAP02, somehow I botched my Zelda lore for the title. The Blue Ring was only 250 rupees. Durr.

-The Yukkuri does indeed play the last few frames of the Demon death when it dies...It's not supposed to do that. It looks like its death frames past SARGH0 didn't make it into the PWAD version...was it like that in the one I sent you? I dunno how that could have happened but I can resend the correct frames if needed.

-Pikachu doesn't play the right idle sound. It's supposed to play that shrill noise that the Kunios do.

(1/2)

>>1833370
(2/3)

-Devil Gundams (what replaces Arachnotrons in maps) don't trigger their respective MAP07 linedefs. IIRC, this is because I had to shuffle some creature IDs around in DeHackEd to get...SOMEthing to work right, I forget what, and even though DGs "replace" Arachnotrons, they aren't Arachnotrons internally. If you use "summon arachnotron" from the console and kill the resulting Metroid that spawns - or if there's a Metroid on the map in the first place - the linedef will trigger. This is no bug, this was me being a dumbass and not thinking of what might happen if DoomHack were to be played with another level set. DECORATE can probably fix this.

-Some strings from the endgame sequence didn't make it, as well as the intermission paragraphs. This is because they're running off of the outdated/limited DeHackEd strings. I ended up tweaking the LANGUAGE lump, which didn't make it into the PWAD version because I had it in zdoom.wad instead... *facepalm*

-Any MAP30 other than the one I made for it (I promise this one wasn't a bastardization of an existing map) probably won't play nice or even be beatable. This is because I left the head-on-a-stick alone (for compatibility purposes, ironically) and used the normally-invisible-and-intangible cube spawner as the basis for the final boss. The final boss is very much tangible, which means it gets stuck in the original Icon of Sin's brain hole and doesn't do anything until you shoot it, at which point it launches a shitload of danmaku in response and everything goes to hell. This could present a problem, unless there's a method in DECORATE to make a Thing not clip walls but still be shootable with projectiles.

>>1833371
(3/3)

-By the way, the final boss being able to kill you while invincible is NOT a bug. That was 100% intentional. Maybe it's a bad design choice, maybe it isn't, but I personally felt that a final boss should be challenging and not cheeseable with IDDQD. The final boss may have to be nerfed or axed altogether, honestly, as the fight is very much one of attrition and most maps probably don't have the health and ammo (and invulnerabilities) required to actually kill it.

-There's supposed to be a MAP33 after MAP30, with a "zoo" of all the different creatures, but it doesn't load in either the PWAD or Gameplay Mod versions. This, like this strings problem, is because I was a lazy fuck and just modified D2INFO in zdoom.wad instead of putting it with the rest of the material.

-STBAR is slightly broken. Vanilla Doom and the older ZDooms aligned their digits differently, so they fit perfectly with the little HP and PTS suffixes in the Health and Armor boxes. Now, they should just be erased, in my opinion.

Here's a zip with those aforementioned lumps in it, for anyone interested:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/61176790/lmps.7z

>>1833370
...Shit just got real. Uh oh.

>I didn't think you were gonna post that email I sent.
I was just going to end up having to relay it to /vr/ for an explanation as to what's going on. Sorry. I did censor the names though! :U I just figured you said it best.
I'm not good with my words.

>ZDoom is still the only one that works "fully."
I don't think it would work on the others anyway. I'm assuming ZDoom special bit magic had something to do with that. I figured "Gameplay mods are ZDoom exclusive nowadays anyway."

>would shrink the filesize quite a bit
Would it scare you if I said this is one of the smaller "completed" ZDoom wads I've downloaded?

>[Any DeHackEd errors mentioned]
Well I'm going to DECORATE anyway...

>somehow I botched my Zelda lore for the title.
Duly noted!

>was it like that in the one I sent you?
It most certainly is. I'm working off that one right now. The ones linked in the other post are based on the really old Doomhack IWAD I had, so they're bound to have glitches galore.

>Devil Gundams don't trigger their respective MAP07 linedefs
There's a ZDoom DECORATE flag that fixes this!... If I recall...

>Some strings from the endgame sequence didn't make it, as well as the intermission paragraphs.
You'll have to Pastebin them or something. That'd be neat and help me figure out what kind of mindless plot this thing was supposed to have anywa-
>which didn't make it into the PWAD version because I had it in zdoom.wad instead... *facepalm*
...Old habits die hard, eh?

>the final boss being able to kill you while invincible is NOT a bug.
It's an old design trick people liked to use. It's why you could telefrag yourself in God Mode in certain maps.

>>1833383
Continuing...
>The final boss may have to be nerfed or axed altogether, honestly, as the fight is very much one of attrition and most maps probably don't have the health and ammo (and invulnerabilities) required to actually kill it.
First off we're not really gunning for balance anyway, but yeah it might be a little broken even by its own standards. We have a lot of fancy DECORATE nonsense that lets us do this kind of crap. The Creeper in Lasting Light is a monster that can clip through walls and still be shot (if you summon in some gunz) and someone posted a ghost revenant thing earlier that did the same, so that's definitely doable. Heck, I've been brainstorming ideas for ways to make bosses have little cinematic stuff without being idiotic ZDoomismy

>MAP33
...I thought that was supposed to be a hidden map. Lots of packs add a MAP33 that can't be accessed by default for a secret so I thought it was supposed to be like that. (Hell, 200 Minutes of /vr/ does it too.)
If you want to, It'd be trivial to add a MAPINFO lump that could do just that, AND we'd keep the THE END lumps showing and whatnot.

>STBAR is slightly broken.
Yeah, that'll need a lot of tuning up.

Anyway thanks for even showing up. That was a pleasant (and scary) surprise! And doubly thanks for the input!

I'll see where this goes from here, I suppose.

Sorry if I stepped on any ground/toes/et cetera!

Make a wad based on the last anime/cartoon you watched

>>1833394

But I'm doing that.

>>1833383
It's all cool, dude. I'm not mad, I just wasn't expecting to have the whole thing laid bare. It's probably for the best, though, since it provided a little insight into DoomHack's IRL history and saved me the trouble of having to retype my apologies. I'm kinda glad it forced my hand. And you did good censoring the names.

>filesizes
That does scare me. I still think any WAD over 3 or 4 megs must be srs bizness.

>SARG
NTCTDOOM2.WAD does have SARGI though M, so it should be usable.

>design trick
I didn't know that was a "trick", though I have seen it done to force pistol starts on some maps. neat.jpg

>strings/MAP33
I uploaded those lumps, you want me to gut them for you and Pastebin 'em instead?

And you're welcome! Believe me, you haven't stepped on any toes. I'm surprised to see this thing even getting positive attention at all. Now that the cat's out of the bag I'll probably hang around.

>>1833394
>Gurren Lagaan
Um... halp!

>>1833394
What do I do with Digimon Savers?

>>1833396
Based on what?

>>1833361
>making smarmy comment title of his stream
>butthurt

yeah sure

>>1833402
Is that the one where the kids henshin into digimon? Or the one where they have to fight the world tree at the end? Because the former has some potential

>>1833397
>I uploaded those lumps, you want me to gut them for you and Pastebin 'em instead?
Well I didn't notice the link before I hit post there so It's fine. I got em. Thanks tho!

>Now that the cat's out of the bag I'll probably hang around.
Haha! Welcome! Didn't mean anything malicious about this!

Now back to deciphering DeHackEd. Megaman is so almost done it hurts.

>>1833394
>Sabagebu
Well shit, that sounds easy. Reskin hitscanners to be anime grills and make a map imitating a warzone.

>>1833405

M.D. Geist, Bastard!!, Berserk, Cybernetics Guardian, the DMC animu, and Claymore.
I've been piling on some stuff for research as of late. Some of it's good, some of it's crap, but it's been giving me a lot of wonderful ideas.

I bought Blood on GOG. But when I ran it it runs worse than 25 fps most of the time. Is that the way the game was supposed to be ran? I would play the blood tc for duke nukem but it only has two episodes done. Also is there a way to disable the mouse mouse movement?

>>1832896
I liked it.
Thank you for uploading it.

>>1833394
>JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
I'm not entirely sure how I'd do it, it was the Part 3: Stardust Crusaders one that's currently airing though I'd probably wanna start with Part 1 and go from there. Still though, no clue.

>>1833402
>>1833412
Well each spirit would be a Blaz stile load out and maybe alter perspective and such to mach scale, you get one to start but have to hunt the others down as bosses while plowing thru mooks, then finally kill Lucemon

>>1833426
The Blood TC (BloodCM I bet you're referring to) Is complete shit.

What resolution are you running it at? 320x240 will run it spectacularly better than say 1024x768.

>>1833426
Try adjusting the CPU cycles for DOSBox while it's running, as for the mouse go and grab bmouse.

>>1833412
>Is that the one where the kids henshin into digimon?
That's Frontier. I'm talking about Savers/Data Squad where the protagonist punches out digimon on a regular basis.

>>1833428
As you kill demons you gane a stock of their avatars as your arsinem of stands, along with an expanded melee arsinel, all the stands fill the weapon slots

Is it me or is there no such thing as the perfect MIDI soundfont? Weeds3GM and SGM both suck. It seems like the best ones are copies of the SC-55.

>>1833437
Oh that's simple, reskin enemies accordingly , give the player options to play as hum an or digimon partner, partition abilities fittingly

>>1833401
Your screwed, no game could do it justice

>>1833446
>Is it me or is there no such thing as the perfect

There isn't.
There's no such thing as a perfect anything, much less a MIDI soundfont.

>>1833446
I have a solid one but I am unfortunately not at my computer right now. Tomorrow though.

Okay so question.
I've got this monster inheriting the Zombieman and I've redefined the See state. It works fine when I'm spotted, but when the monster gets hurt or shoots, he goes back to the default Zombieman's active movement style instead of the redefined one.

What's happening? How can I fix it?

So Doom 4 is essentially going to be the Brutal Doom mod?

I keep getting an issue when trying to run DoomRL Arsenal with GZdoom. The error is "Script error, "DoomRL Arsenal Beta 7.9.wad:DECORATE" line 12721:
Invalid state parameter a_checkrange". Anyone know what the issue might be?

>>1833394
>Fairy Tail
I don't know man.
I guess it would work best as Erza since she has a bunch of different things she could use as weapons.

>>1833463
It will probably be Serious Sam 3 with double jumps.

I guess that would be okay.
I just want it to be fun and better than Doom 3.

>>1833467
Do you have the latest GZDoom dev build?

>>1833472
I have version 1.8.02 is there a later version?

>>1833461
When you inherit from an actor, it's because you want to use that actor's old info, so any info that you don't redefine (like shoot and death states) will remain identical

What you SHOULD do for this is just define a brand new actor and use the "replaces" command to replace all Zombiemen with...well, Megamans.

>>1833461

Inheritance is wacky.
The short of the matter is that he's not going back to the redefined states, he's going to the old inherited states.

Think of it like this:
Zombie behavior: NewSpawn > NewSee > Hurt > 1 > OldSpawn > OldSee > goto 1

Does it make sense? Not at all.
But that's what happens.

>>1833434
wow thanks, is my computer a potato or is this game not well optimized?

>>1833479
Yes. Use the developmental version, not the stable "official" release

>>1833486
Do I get it off the git repository?

>>1833479
Yeah, the unstable test builds are at 1.9. I forget the link to download them.

>>1833481
>>1833483
Cripes. That's painful.

Well at least I can redefine THOSE states and keep the old deaths and stuff without having to redefine them. It's a little ass-backwards but It'll do.
Thanks!
(I like how the ZDoom wiki tells you not to copy default actors directly because it can cause problems but if you change some names then poof, it works fine.)

>>1833461
Try copypasting the original code for pain and shooting into the states. Even though it's the same code it will be considered "new" and won't be connected to the old behavior.

>>1833435

Jesus god this website

>>1833490
Thanks I got it downloaded and working. Would it be possible to play GZdoom multiplayer online without too many issues? The person I want to play with lives pretty close so ping isn't an issue.

>>1833503
GZDoom over the internet is bad, but it's usually blown way out of proportion by haters. You may experience a Desync once in a... well once in a normal moon, but it's still an experience that at least works.

Just make sure your machine spirit is having a good day and make sure you do everything correct. You'll be fine, especially if you're command-line inclined.

>>1833461
Just copy all the states over.

>>1833495
>that tab

>>1833490
> (I like how the ZDoom wiki tells you not to copy default actors directly because it can cause problems but if you change some names then poof, it works fine.)
Then you don't understand WHY it says not to do that.

Right now you're inheriting from an actor named Zombieman. Let's say that you change Zombieman's Missile state to fire rockets. Instead of inheriting, you just copy over the Zombieman definition from the Wiki and make him fire rockets, without changing the name or anything else.

Now in my mod, which I claim can run with anything else, I inherit from the Zombieman; the only difference is, he drops red skull keys when he dies. Now because you redefined the original Zombieman, my skull key dropping Zombieman shoots rockets.

You see how this can quickly become a problem?

You can define a new, differently named actor where the code is identical. The problems come if you are literally redefining Iwad actors.

>>1833479
>>1833489

http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdoom/

Enjoy.

>>1833518
Well right it's just the way it's worded kind of makes it sound unnecessarily like everything will become glitchy and broken.

I understand exactly why It's not meant to do that but it kind of made me fear doing anything in DECORATE for the longest time.

>>1833401
I dunno, each level ups the scale?

>>1833507
>but it's usually blown way out of proportion by haters

Heh. Sure.

>>1832896

>goddamn it feels good to have a gauntlet that shoots sharp objects
>It's like a nerf gun only it hurts a little less when you get shot in the face

>>1833532
Well the thing is GZDoom over lan is wonderfully nominal unless your printer goes haywire or something.
GZDoom over supremely low ping is tolerable, as all of Edwardwhateverhisnameis's YouTube videos.
GZDoom over the average person's network, however...

alright, I installed bmouse and now it's running properly. Now how do i change the sensitivity? the in-game options aren't doing much and right now it's set to "quake pro". Also is there a way to allocate the right mouse button to alt fire?

Shit I forgot there was a new thread
>>1833554

>>1833557
thats the old one stupid

>>1833546
>as all of Edwardwhateverhisnameis's YouTube videos.

Well, see, there's the thing.
Of course Ednerd's videos are gonna showcase it being good, he made the damn netcode.

>>1833562
He's linking to something he said in the old thread that he wants the new thread to see, numbskull.

>>1832896
Fucks sake my phone refuses to let my copy this to me browser bar, it claims its copied to the clipboard and then nothing

>>1833407
Seemed a little rustled to me, why even acknowledge, much start a stream directly after getting done playing just to make an issue of it.

http://onomutilok.blog.shinobi.jp/doom/%E4%BB%8A%E6%97%A5%E3%81%AEdoom_265
>200 minutes of /vr/

>>1833552
Go into Blood's Setup program under Controller Setup:
Setup Mouse you can change what buttons do what
Setup Advanced Control Options -> Advanced Mouse Setup you can change the sensitivity as well as whether or not you want it inverted (the mouse sensitivity under regular mouse setup doesn't do anything with bmouse). By default, from what I remember, the mouselook is inverted so to make it normal you set the sensitivity to the negative value of what you want.

>>1833442
So basically Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow?

huh

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?file=docs/misc/bookofid.zip

and it better stay that way

>>1833579

I do pony art

>>1833394
>Samurai Jack
i only need to make a mapset and wait for demonsteele to be completed

Alternatively
>Courage the cowardly dog
Buttpain but without being dark and no post-abortion PTSD, instead its a big escort game in order to protect Muriel. THE ONLY BIG PROBLEM, the background music hasn't been leaked, therefore i can't convert it into MIDI without taking a lot of effort

>>1833424
watch CyberCity OEDO

Why do mods delete posts but dont ban?

thats cuz ur a fag

>buy laptop with 12 GB RAM
>i7, 8 motherfucker cores
>4 GB Nvidia Graphics Card

Time to run 10 NUTS.wad in Brutal Doom at the same time.

>>1833609

Will do, thanks.

that was my first pony ill paint more soon.
Probably get my sister to help me out with the next one. She probably has many usefull ideas.

>>1833624
i dare your sister to draw a Revenant

next time mention something a common person knows instead of whatever you just said (cant look it up sorry). second I want to mention that my sister died in a horrible car accident her head was crushed and deformed so badly we didn't even have a funeral for her and I was talking about communicating with her through black magic and receiving messages through her spirit. don't worry shes in heaven with jesus and the angels but I could try to have the spirit give you your answer if you want. you want that?

>>1833624
Yo buddy, using a name/tripcode is only allowed if you contribute to the community[i.e. making a map or a mod]

>>1832332
Where can I find the map from this pic?

>>1833630
>next time mention something a common person knows instead of whatever you just said (cant look it up sorry)

You're in a fucking Doom thread.

>>1833630
That just escalated quickly

>>1833630
>I was talking about communicating with her through black magic

Honestly not sure why this became a thing here, but yeah... WE SANIC NOW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlw-Myz0Ul4

Yo Doom RLA guy, how long until new monsters?

>Playing DoomRLA in Hellbound as renegae
>Map 06
>Open a box
>Motherfucking Judge of the dead appears
>I CAME BUCKETS
>Sniper moded it
>Killed everything in my way
>oh boy a portal with lots of enemies
>kill them all
>Go to portal
>icon of sin death skipmap
>lost the judge of the dead, along with all my upgrades
>my face when
I hate when they do that, i get that they try to do Doom 1's episode formula but come on, its ass sometimes

sorry I don't know what thread im in.
im lost help please help me.

>>1833648
Dunno.

I've got quite a few new ones done, but I really want to at least get Armageddon a bit more playable than it is right now. Stupid bloody drone chainguns.

>>1833651
You are in /vr/
the board you are searching is >>>/b/

>>1833650
but...

You can't get that out of a supply crate.
Like, at all.

goodbye 4chan goodbye forever

>>1833664
Really?
because i remember i got it out of a crate

The point here is
i lost it
Still, im renegade, i could get stronk because lots of shotguns

Why am I having massive deja vu from these posts

>>1833651
>>1833660
>>1833665

black magic

>>1833669
That's why DoomRPG is so good once you played through Hellbound once. Screw those death exits, use an invuln charge! :P

shut the fuck up fag