/vr/ - Retro Games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tEOKTFtR_k

It's okay, OP. If you're not into SRPGs, there's nothing you can do.

Strange, because I really enjoyed the NES incarnations.

Star ocean 2...

Each and every Zelda after aLttP. Every. Single. One.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4jQ2ZFvPVg

>>1811463
I can't get into this one myself.

Or Metroid II

I blame the game boy

DQVII

I just do not have the constitution.

>>1811476
>hey! i have an idea! remember those great games we made? with relatively free-roaming world exploration? yeah? well fuck all that! let's take out everything that made those games good, reduce them to babby-tier handholding gameplay and make it so easy and unfun that a head of lettuce could beat it! wouldn't that be great?

tried and tried.

Every resident evil before 4

>>1811553
Not retro, but have you tried REmake for the GC?

>>1811553
Can't blame you. Those fucking tank controls ruin them.

Deus Ex, System Shock 1&2, every RPG ever made excluding Souls games.

Fuck RPG.

Planescape Torment, or any of the old bioware rpgs for that matter

I never make it past the intros...

>>1811561
That's the only one I have left to try, although I don't think better graphics can save the game for me

>>1811525
>metroid 2 and links awakening
>babby-tier handholding gameplay and easy

>>1811579
Metroid 2 just took Metroid and made it clunkier.

No Zelda game is hard.

>>1811584
>No Zelda game is hard.

Not even Adventure of Link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3uCyHkPkdk

>>1811576
Controls? They can definitely be annoying, but they're supposed to be the way they are. You're supposed to feel like you're fumbling through a daunting experience.

>>1811587
>>1811584
The thread isn't about "being too hard"

it's about not being able to have fun playing the game

I never have gotten more than a couple hours into this. I just don't really have any fun with it. Even as a kid it didn't really hold my interest for that long. The multiplayer is pretty fun, though. I played the shit out of that with my cousins back in the day.

>>1811603
Anyone that complains about tank controls is a fucking casual that needs to be smacked. RE It is pretty much the only survival horror series with a pretty consistent speed run community. If the controls were anywhere near clunky let alone bad i doubt that the community would hardly even exist.

You might as well complain about Castlevania's controls too by this logic.

>>1811649
As much i love the game, i can understand where you're coming from. For a platformer it has some really stiff physics, plus the fetch quests/character guiding can be annoying. The game is really good looking though and the humor/references are definitely there.

Currently forcing myself to play through Legend of Legaia after reading through a LoL thread here on /vr a few days ago. Having the same problem playing it now as I had back in the day.

After beating Zeto, shit just gets stupid boring. Already learned all the arts I can (except for books and miracle), only get like 1 new magic spell each dungeon and usually not even that useful, the plot and NPCs are ghey as all hell, and Noa needs to just shut the fuck up already.

Supposed to head towards Ratyayu or some shit, but haven't touched it in a couple of days. Eh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lWaQe8LPW0

>>1811680
Do you not like it or are you not very good at it?

>>1811692
Its nyquil in video game form. I don't see how anyone plays it for more than a few minutes.

>>1811704
I-I can literally play it for hours at a time, and it will never, ever get old...

Different strokes I guess.

>>1811723
Same. It's easily my favorite version of tetris.

>>1811734
I was just talking about tetris in general. GB tetris 4 lyfe by the way.

>>1811649
I wanna have consensual sex in the missionary position in an attempt to procreate with Berri

Most Zelda games. Of the ones I've played I've only been able to enjoy Zelda II and ALTTP, and I definitely wouldn't call either of them "teh best game evur".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX8Rgw_YExY

RPGs. Even Action RPGs.


I don't even care. I play games to improve my skills, reflexes and quick thinking. RPGs don't engage me whatsoever: They don't get my adrenalin flowing and they don't give me a sense of accomplishment.

Anyone with enough time and common sense can play an RPG which is not something you can say about a bullet hell or fighting game.

>>1811785
I'm getting a superiority vibe from your post. People play things for different reasons.

Super Metroid

>>1811784
Just played this yesterday with a friend, was pretty darn boring. The fact that there's co-op is pretty cool for a game like this though.

>>1811785
>Anyone with enough time and common sense can play an RPG which is not something you can say about a bullet hell or fighting game.

Sure it is.

>>1811785
>I play games to improve my skills, reflexes and quick thinking

I play games for fun. I realise I'm probably in the minority though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzb4Tonx0WI

>>1811802

Sure, and I said why I play games. I'm not judging anybody.

>>1811818

Some people lack the reflexes and hand-eye coordination or just can't improve for whatever reason. Don't tell me anyone can complete a bullet hell or even an arcade shooter.

>>1811821

So do I. I described what I find fun about playing games. Unfortunately my opinion differs from yours.

>>1811772
And I want to discuss retro games on a retro game imageboard

>>1811423
Chrono Trigger

I have the Snes cart. the Ds game and access to roms, but I've never even played it.

>>1811891
Never even started it up? People aren't just being fanboys when they claim it's the greatest JRPG ever you know... Xenoblade has now taken that position, but it's not retro

>>1811891
Can you really say you "can't get into it" if you've never even played it?

>>1811891
Maybe it's too hyped up and you subconsciously think you'll be disappointed. It's happened to me few times.

>>1811902
>People aren't just being fanboys when they claim it's the greatest JRPG ever

I wish people wouldn't do this. I really like CT too, but this just sets up people to have their expectations too high.

>>1811476
I liked that game, but I don't understand how people regard it as amazing. I see a lot of them saying it's their favorite/best Zelda game.

>>1811912
But it really is... As far as retro jrpgs are concerned.

>>1811553
Nigger, them's fightan words!

>>1811423
>>1811891

call me a normalfag but damn, these both are in my top 5 of all time. dayyyymmmm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjl3yLYePmE

>>1811784
not that good compared to SD3. or SoM and SoE for that matter

>>1811423
Every Megaman
Every Zelda
I find Megaman terribly designed and Zelda MINDNUMBING

But apparently i'm on my own on this, because a lot of long time gamers and modern retro gamers find both to be absolutely life changing, who knows.

>>1812017

>Megaman terribly designed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FpigqfcvlM

Not something that I usually say but you have no fucking business discussing games.

>>1812017
You're not alone on every Megaman. It's like one game rehashed over and over.
First Zelda is great but the rest is meh. The SNES one that everyone cums buckets over put me to fucking sleep. It's so forgettable that I can't even recall the name of its title.

>>1811772
if you dont you are a gay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NvkRzgNTzU

>>1812017
>>1812040

Stop shitposting fgt

>>1812046
not a faggot but she could do without the chipmunk shit

>>1812076
butthurt zeldafag.

Not the other guy, I only like megaman X series, and zelda (and pretty much the entire action-adventure genre) is bore inducing shit

>>1812076
>having an opinion contrary to yours is shitposting

Faggot you didn't even contribute to the thread, shitposter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2STUx_9bkB4

Chrono Trigger / Cross

>>1812031
rock paper scissors is arguably some dumb bullshit

Not this guy but if he's referring to this i feel him

Arcade shooters. The only ones I've ever completed are the Metal Slug games, mostly because the humor keeps me looking and coinfeeding.

I admit it, it's because I'm a major pleb. I find them way too hard, and that's just fine.

>>1812118
hard = not fun

what's it like being an absolute plebian ?

Mind if i ask what you do for a living?

>>1812126

Better calm down and take your meds, son. He said it's too hard to be enjoyable. So what?

>>1812134
Did my post come off as angry? I just asked what the guy did for a living.

I just wanted to see if laziness in games correlated with being a failure in life

>>1812031
>using EgoRaptor to reinforce a point.

>>1812143

Prove it wrong. Show me how that game is badly designed.

>>1812140
the sperg on this one lol

I'd imagine a great correlation between losers and video games than successful people and vidya tbh m8

I don't see many investment bankers, lawyers and doctors playing video games for example. angry neckbeards on the internet, on the other hand...

>>1812158
I don't think that MM is poorly designed, but a video that cums buckets about shit like
>WOAH THE INTRO STAGE MAKES SURE YOU KNOW HOW TO WALL CLIMB BY PUTTING A WALL IN YOUR WAY TO WALL CLIMB
isn't proof of MM having good design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLeVlsuf0vs

>>1812168
was just a simple question. and I can think of a couple world record holders of games that are pretty damn successful. look at that billy fucker with the donkey kong highscore. nigga owns his own business and shit

what do you do dawg?

>>1812175
I'm not even the first guy you replied to m8 lol

>>1812175
I work in finance and I'm a lazy gamer. What are you even talking about?

>>1812180
was just wondering if laziness in games = laziness IRL

>>1812187
>people like this actually exist
kek
unless you're an epic troll, in which case well done

>>1812171

I don't really care for the video or his humor, but I wasn't about to write paragraphs in response to some shitposter who claims MM games are 'terribly designed'.

If even the intro level is well designed that already disproves his claim.

>>1812195
I just have a bunch of lazy ass friends that won't git gud in arcade games ever. But, other people I work with that are pretty successful take all of their hobbies seriosly, including games. Donno what's so funny really

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq7fDSYeM84

mortal kombat
>huur bloody gaems are bast gaems

>>1812210
I don't have the energy to devote to vidya because my chosen career is very demanding. As a result I make more money than any of my friends but my vidya abilities have decreased to below their level.

So no, there's no correlation, friend.

>>1811657
>Anyone that complains about tank controls is a fucking casual that needs to be smacked.
this. I hate saying "casual" but if you can't stand RE controls something is wrong with you. Especially if you don't understand why they have tank controls.

>>1812234
huh, ok. thanks for the wisdom dawg

3d Zelda. I've never tried 2d.

>>1811423
I tried to play FFT so many times. Everyone always tells me how amazing it is. How much fun there is to be had. And the game itself does speak to me on some level with it's promise of dozens of classes, intriguing plot and SRPG battles (witch I love).

The problem is that I find the game to be cumbersome, drawn out and frustrating to play. Not that it's too hard, but more that if you fuck up, you lose units and have to replace and retrain them. And lots of things are up to chance enough to fuck you over accidentally as well (like the rescue mission every early on)
And that's not even getting into the whole "let's ask the player 5 different times if he's sure he wants to do every little thing" element of the battle system. So rather than just "click, click, done", it's "click, click, click, click, click, click, done" for every little thing. Witch is annoying as fucking hell after the first few battles.
And then the random battles that will kill you early on because you don't yet have the Gold to prepare yourself and lots of other balance issues throughout the portion of the game I played.

And for better or worse, I find games like Disgaea and Vandal Hearts to be better in every way.

And I'm not exactly a pleb here. I play lots of games specifically because they're challenging. And I do "get" FFT, it just bores and frustrates me beyond all hope. It's just pointless for me to play because I don't enjoy it at all.

And this is kind of a breakthrough for me, because I've been in denial about these feelings for years...

Thanks 4chan.

>>1812324
>memorize confirmation button presses
>mash them right away

>>1812324
that sucks dude. The game is actually pretty easy, what the fuck are you doing ?

>>1812261
The first game I encountered them in Parasite Eve II, and I hated them at all but it makes perfect sense why it's like that once you play for awhile.

>>1812324
>And then the random battles that will kill you early on because you don't yet have the Gold to prepare yourself
Uh, just avoid random battle, I don't like to do random battle because it's grinding.
I can defeat most of them easily if I want.

>Not that it's too hard, but more that if you fuck up, you lose units and have to replace and retrain them.
You have 3 turns to revive them. I don't remember any of my units crystalize.

>"let's ask the player 5 different times if he's sure he wants to do every little thing"
You can remove this in option, it's the first thing that I do.
Navigation message : Off

>And I do "get" FFT, it just bores and frustrates me beyond all hope.
Vanilla FFT is really easy.
I completed several challenges (SSCC) where I can only use 1 unit with only the ability from that class.
Knowing some basic mechanic will help you, like female is better at magic, Chapter 1 units don't have magic evasion, higher Faith = better magic, how AT works, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SviOtUJvimM

>>1812112
only thing in this thread that made my blood pressure rise a bit

but it is a bit difficult, so i don't blame you

>>1812363
yeah I hate how people start up the game, realize the games controls are different and then don't even give them a chance enough to get used to them. Like this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARRSHaMTXh8 even though he may be trying to be funny.

>>1811457
I am also confuddled. What did you not like?

For some reason it's nearly impossible for me to get into any game with a fixed top-down camera. That includes isometric games, which is frustrating because I love the worlds and role playing of older RPGs. Although I did manage to force myself through Oracle of Seasons.
Also any stealth game, including Deus Ex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnLbFLg9fDg

I've tried to get into this game at least a dozen times in my life. I always lose interest. Can't quite put my finger on why.

I found the second one slightly more engaging but still not good enough to keep me interested through the whole game.

This might be an odd opinion, but I feel like Secret of Evermore was much better.

>>1812731

>>1811423
Same. I beat the game and disliked just about every minute of it. Glad to see I'm not the only one.

>>1812731
I was enamoured with this game as a child, but going back to try beat it now I can see it's really flawed in design. You just grind through a linear path dungeon _many_ times so that you're able to do the boss at the end, move on to the next area and repeat the whole process again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dwukeu8alE

I've been a treasurefag for years (since I got Guardian Heroes) and I just cannot into this crap. I like everything about it, how it looks, how it sounds, where it's from but I just cannot into those fucking controls. Ranger X? Can. This? No can do.

>>1812459
That guy is a moron.

I played about four or five hours into it and had the game crash constantly at some crypt and I gave up. The story wasn't really drawing me in and pretty much everything else about the game is not particularly fun.

>>1812832
git gud

>>1812832
What about it confounds you so?

I don't really care for Super Smash Bros. It's alright; I'll play it if three other people are playing it, but it's not a game I'd ever choose to play again for the sake of it. I loved the first one when I was like eight, but when I play it now I just get frustrated, because I can destroy most people I meet at "traditional" fighting games, but I always just float around and get my ass kicked in SSB.

>>1812324

interesting. most people complain about FFT being way too easy. the first time i picked it up i had a lot of trouble with the 1st Dorter battle, as I think a lot of people did. but once you realize you can just grind the shit out of random battles, the game is easy as fuck.

i do find myself getting in the habit of "grinding" on my own dudes at the end of every battle though. not getting that 10 xp / turn for every character just seems like a turn wasted. i find that a bit a annoying, but its a small price to pay for one of my favorite games.

>>1811569
I had to play PS:T on the easiest difficulty because I can't be bothered to combat. Still haven't beaten it. Same goes for Persona 1+2

I love story driven games, but the gameplay in these is some seriously unforgivable ass

I didn't care for the first game that much, but I like the second one a great deal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkExWD02Y9U

I pirated it because GOG was being a little shit. I'm glad I did. I did one game as Diedre and another as Yang and haven't picked it up since.

>>1813079
God, this game is so frustrating. I want to love it, I really do. I want to finish it and enjoy the story and how well written it is. I just can't force myself through the atrocious combat mechanics and adventure game-style pixel hunts the game can devolve into.

>>1813827
I'm working through FFT for the first time right now, and I'm getting frustrated with how uneven and inconsistent the diffuculty is. Every battle seems to boil down into me crushing everything in my path, or essentially getting one-shotted before I have a chance to do anything.

I guess I'm not grinding enough, but I've never particularly enjoyed grinding in any game, and while I do enjoy the mechanics, I'm not that in love with them that I'll spend hours fighting inconsequential battles against random monsters just to level up my guys enough to beat the next story mission.

>>1811430
Did anyone consider this "amazing"? It was a huge disappointment when it came out.

Chrono Trigger.
I've tried time and time again, but always just drop it around the time I get to the future. It just doesn't really grab me at all.

>>1811587
AoL isn't hard, it just requires grinding.

Super Mario RPG.
I've tried to get into this game more than any other. Mainly because the first Paper Mario is my second favorite game of all time, and I also love the sequel and the Mario and Luigi RPG's.
Super Mario RPG though just feels so bland and meh.

>>1811919
It's the atmosphere mainly.
The director of the game has even stated that he was outright inspired by Twin Peaks (yes, the American show).

>>1814054
1 easy trick to win every battle : all the doctors don't want you to know!!!11

just make sure everyone has the skill accumulate and just spam that until monsters get close enough to you. Using this with monks makes you pretty much unbeatable the entire game.

>>1814136
The future sucks, but bear with it. You won't be there long.
But you'll still be as hungry as before

I've honestly tried to get into this game, I just really can't enjoy this game beyond a "meh".

Arcanum.
I like Baldurs Gate I and II.
I like Planescape Torment.
I don't like Arcanum, and I dont really know why. I just do not.

>ohboyherewego

But seriously, played it with friend 2 years after it came out but couldn't get into it. Revisited many years later and got to the second disc I think.

Loved the atmosphere, and the music. Also the visuals had a certain charm. But dear god the random battles and grinding. I just couldn't carry it on. To me it takes so long for a battle to start after the whirly screen and you have the wait times between attacks.

I totally get why people love the game though.

>>1814314
the game is ok first disk, for me, It got really great in the 2nd disk, and had a great ending in disk 3.

>>1814314
It's a great Final Fantasy, probably the best if it wasn't for Final Fantasy VI IMO. Final Fantasy VII has an edge in story for having a character die, but Final Fantasy VI wins in gameplay easily.

>>1814319

Best version of FF6? I really want to get into one other than Mystic Quest

>>1814323
The SNES version is the best in my opinion. PS is garbage, don't bother. GBA has a better translation (although some things I didn't like in it), bestiary, bug fixes, and a bonus dungeon. Of course it has worse graphics, music, and well everything is worse aesthetics wise in general. Of course with rom hacking, I believe you can fix the graphics and music with a hack for the VBA rom to an extent.

>>1814204
Yeah, I'm doing that right now and wrecking everything, but the first chapter of the game is essentially "Here's a couple of basic monsters that are really obnoxious, but not particularly difficult. Oh by the way, here's a bunch of Wizards and Knights. Deal with it, Nerd."

>>1814452
with accumulate + a random encounter or 2, you can have your invincible monk force set up in no time. have fun mane, fft is one of the goat

>>1814476
Urgh... This is exactly what I was talking about. Everything was going fine, I was doing the side jobs from the bars while grinding random encounters, everything was fine, my accumulate monk and his companions were getting JP like mad

Then I suddenly find myself in a random battle with a Red Chocobo, a couple Coeurls, and a bunch of piscodemons spamming mind blast.

One member of the team goes down to a choco meteor before I even get a chance to act, and both my monks get berserked. One heads off the right way and actually does some damage before dying, the other starts beating the shit out of my friends, shrugging off three esuna castings in the process.

It's like the game lulls you into a false sense of security where you think you've finally gotten the hang of things, then ramps the difficulty up out of nowhere and dumps you into a virtually unwinable battle. I can only assume that there's certain "tiers" based on average level or highest level among your party, rather than a smooth difficulty progression, and it's really getting on my nerves.

It's been maybe a decade since I last played FFT, I stopped playing because grinding feels like a waste of time to me. I want to spend my precious gameplay time having fun, not repeating the same boring battles over and over again.

However, I don't remember ever using anything like "accumulate," does that make the grinding go by a lot faster?

I might try playing it again if I can avoid grinding, FFT seemed a lot better than any other FF game (all of which bore me for the same reason, boring repetitive battles but at least FFT has a better battle system).

>>1814753
Black and Red Chocobos will fuck you. Monsters in general are harder because thye scale with your level (as all random battles do) but story battles you can "out grind" becuase they have a set level range.

>esuna
Item is 100% reliable, white magic, unfortunatley is not

>puts you into a virtually unwinnable battle
I've gotten a nightmare team of like 4 red chocobos and 2 yellow chocobos as a full thief team. Every battle can be won, you just gotta use some strategy... maybe even some .... tactics?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HutD8ZXZucY

>>1814784
Accumulate and yell can break the game if you abuse them in a battle. In fact, if you used the shit out of yell, you could give your units more than one turn in a row. And accumulate can let you get so strong, you can kill anything with a single hit, once you max it out. This is how you can cheapen the Wiegraf / Velius fight

>>1812384
This, I want to like this game so bad but I can't because I'm way to used to the physics/feel of Kirby Super Star.

>>1811912
Not really. Greatest JRPG ever could mean it's a 6/10 cause the curve is all fucked up.

I get bored very fast

>>1814046
> atrocious combat
The problem with it is that you have to ditch your entire party to grind exp or be useless
> pixel hunts
There is one button that highlights all interactable objects

The amount of text for the tinniest thing really kills the game

For me, it would have to be Armored Core on the PS1. My only complaint are the controls because the games (understandably) didn't have dual-analog support. It just feels so awkward playing a TPS with the D-Pad

>>1814314
Ff7 is like the least grindy jrpg ever. Set battle text to super fast I guess...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsb2eFt7BCs

>>1815016

Not him, but I have the same gripes about FF7 being too grindy even if it is less grindy than other JRPG's. I honestly never enjoyed the genre for that reason along with the stories being almost entirely linear and devoid of actual role playing outside of managing numbers, but I did spend a long time trying to force myself to enjoy the genre just 'cuz every other nerd seems to.

I'm sure I would have loved JRPG's had I not been spoiled by cRPG's like Fallout and pen and paper RPGs like Dungeons and Dragons. JRPG's feel so shallow by comparison.

However, I will say that had I played JRPGs in the early 90s before I was introduced to the more "hardcore" RPG genres, I probably would have thought them to be very deep and interesting in comparison to the other console games of the time.

>>1812832
I actually know what you mean, I found Alien Soldier really frustrating the first few times I played it, and I think that's because everyone was comparing it to gunstar heroes.

You cant expect to play it like a typical run-n-gun and get very far (especially on the default superhard mode), you have to majorly take advantage of the dash and block moves.

When you get into the hang of the controls, the gameplay switches from a typical dodge and blast everything to a much more delicate balance of health, time and offensive capability.

Use your dash move to inflict massive damage, block shots when you can to recharge your health, dash again and repeat. Keep in mind that the time limits can be very strict and so you have to be really effective at maximizing your time, the best way to do this is to try and inflict chip damage with your normal weapons while waiting for the boss to shoot blockable projectiles at you.

My appreciation for this game grew a lot as I became more familiar with it, it really is very tight and fluid to control. It's a shame the level designs (as short as they are) are so bland. If Alien Soldier had 2 player mode and just slightly more fleshed out levels I think it would be a strong contender for best 16-bit game period.

>>1814987

Same here. Every time I try to replay it, I stop playing out of boredom sometime during the haunted castle ghost level. I think there's some sort of door puzzle or something there, but trying to figure out the puzzle kicks my boredom into overdrive and I lose the urge to go on.

Interestingly, I grew up with Sonic and think the genesis games are still fun to this day, but people I know who grew up with Super Mario World get too bored to finish Sonic while thinking that Super Mario World is still fun.

I think it's a nostalgia thing more than anything else. They're relatively easy platforming games designed primarily for children, so adult hardcore gamers are going to get bored before they finish them unless they have nostalgia for it.

>>1815087
I mostly hear people get upset with classic Sonic because they keep running into things because they don't understand the games are about physics and not speed specifically. Someone trying to go fast is going to get destroyed in a level like Marble Zone unless they know the game like the back of their hand.

>>1815365
I like the charm, but the combo of maps on rails and not being able to cast actual magic forever just damn it too much for me.

>>1815087
Opposite for me, I grew up with SMW but now Sonic 1 is my greatly preferred (comparable) game. In fact Sonic 1 is the only one I still play. 2, 3 and Knuckles are just too complicated and tiring to hold my interest.

>>1815016
Replace "grinding" with "tedious."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBOK0j7PbZ8

>>1815084
That seems to make some sense anon. Will keep your post in mind once I give it another shot, maybe look over a faq or something along those lines. Cheers.

Eye of the Beholder, or any real-time dungeon crawler. It's mainly because I get overwhelmed in combat but also a lot of these games are dated and navigating menus usually take a while.

It's such a shame because turn-based variants like Wizardry are my absolute favourite games, more games needed to have a pause button to issue commands like Might & Magic 6.

>>1815365
But Dragoon is a bad game

>>1814987
>>1815087
Are you guys me?

>>1815365
Glad that I´m not the only one. It just feels forced and I think Shana is fucking useless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNyFRhRK9kE

I've beaten this game three times, and I still feel nothing but apathy and a sense of obligation while playing it every time. I really WANT to like it because I'm supposed to, and keep hoping that next time it'll click.
Should I try to beat it a fourth time, or have I already given it a fair chance? Thinking of smoking weed while I do it so I'll have a different expereince than normal and it'll probally make me feel more like a kid getting itno games for the first time.

>>1816134

Nah, life is short and there are more good video games to play than you'll ever have time for unless you spend your entire life as a NEET.

There are two groups of people who consider Final Fantasy 7 one of the best games ever:

1) People who were blown away by the first AAA JRPG game of the 32 bit era, which felt a lot more "epic" than any JRPG before due to production values. Obviously, it doesn't have that glamor going for it now so people who have replayed it recently and disregard nostalgia (or don't have it) usually don't think it's even the best FF and tend to say "well the materia system is really cool".

2) Kids who were just being introduce to anime via Toonami in the 90s, and this was the most heavily marketed/advertised anime game at the time. So a ton of people look back on FF7 as favorably as anyone looks back on their first anime or the first video game they enjoyed, there's a lot of sentimental value there.

>>1816134
>I really WANT to like it because I'm supposed t
you can't force yourself to like a game, that's being a poser. You've beaten it three times and you still don't really care much for it. Just accept you're not really into this game m8

>>1816154
I actually was one of those Toonami kids but I never really had a system other than the Gameboy till the early 2000's. I guess I sorta ascribe a simular feeling to Persoan 2 Eteranal Punishment and the Lunar games, though like most JRPGS, I consider them a sort of gaming equivalent to comfort food. They're enjoyable to me, but I admit there ussually isn't enough substance for me really recomend them highly unless someone specifically wants to take it easy for a while.

I can't really easily toss the game up to nostalgia because the most loud and adament fans about it I've ever talked to are underages who had only just played and beat the game recently with the steam release and such.
It's part of what makes me think there's something wrong with me for not liking it but >>1816184 has a point.

>>1811423
Late to the party but same here. Final Fantasy Tactics is boring with poor character design.

>>1811423
>>1816230
I personally like it, but I can definitely understand that the story can be hard to get into and that there's plenty of other stategy RPGS that are worth your time.

>>1811423
Final Fantasy 7. Also, any strategy RPG.

>>1812171
I'm a doctor, and I play vidya. So do many of my friends, a good number of whom share my profession.

>>1816134
What is there to get. This isn't Blade Runner or anything, just a bunch of goofy cartoon characters chasing bigbad around the planet.

>>1816134
Don't force yourself to like a game.

If you don't like something, that's cool. Just put it down. Everyone has their own tastes.

I could not get into Majora's Mask even though I really liked OoT. But it's been years since I tried to play it and can't remember what I didn't like about it.

>>1816084
>Shana is useless
Granted Shana is pretty useless until you gain higher dragoon levels. After that she's suddenly your best healing/mage option who can gain one and a half levels without even having to make additions. Couple that with items that up SP gain and you have a near endless flow of healing.

Outside of that, outside of having the best Magic stat in the game she's rather shit. Actually most of the game is rather shit, but I have nostalgia goggles going for me.

>>1816230
>>1816245

if you like story , go play some visual novels. FFT has some of the best mechanics and gameplay of the genre , if not the best

>>1811463
This, but for for me each Zelda after Zelda 2. Yeah i only liked the NES Zeldas. Absolutely loathed Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask and i always see people praising them as masterpieces

>>1811680
This and Pac-man. Was born a few generations too late I suppose, I can't into arcade games

>>1816084
Shana AND Miranda are useless. Bitches were never in my damn party, my waifu Meru was the healer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs2Q-_8zuAU

>>1816326
You should try it again.

The only thing I can think of would be the time pressure (which really isn't an issue, particularly with slowed time. It's just the feeling of having to be swift rather than taking your time that you might not like), and the feeling of 'losing your progress' when you go back, instead of making steady progress.

That and it isn't actually the exact same game as its predecessor, which was enough to make me dislike Metroid Prime 2 first time I played it.

Dunno why. Maybe I'm just too used to the GBA games' controls.

>>1818153
Being a big fan of Strider, I agree the NES version kind of sucked. If you meant Strider in general, well my bad.

>>1818916
The controls (select for EVERYTHING) are poor. Worth working past, though.

>>1818916
Try the romhack designed for that specific purpose.

Never had the patience to keep playing

I always end up going back to Jagged Alliance

weird, cause I used to see my big bro play it all the time

Deus ex.

I liked human revolution, but this game is just too fucking boring in the beginning. I can't play long enough to get to any good parts.

>>1811902
Sorry, but how the fuck is Xenoblade the new best JRPG? FF6, 7, and 9 still exist. CT still exists, as you mentioned. XenoGEARS still exists. SMT Nocturne and DDS exist. The World fucking Ends With You still exists!

>>1812324

It's okay friend. If feel exactly the same. I love the SPRG genre - Atlus titles, Vandal Hearts, Kartia, Front Mission, fucking 3x3 Eyes, you name it, I've played it, and of them all I honestly find FFT to be the most boring and annoying. It's a bad game, poorly balanced, poorly designed, and in no way engaging or enjoyable.

>>1819819
my autism

elder scrolls daggerfall. the combat is fucking horrid i really want to get into it but i cant cuz of the combat. I love morrowind though

>>1816090
i hate you

>>1816134

>i have beaten this 30+ hour game 3 times
>i dont like it though!

i will never understand this

>>1814323
PS is plagued by bad loading times as are all anthology releases, don't even touch the Android / iOS re-release.
SNES is pretty much universally considered the best, though GBA adds a bit more content adding to replay value despite the controversial changes to the translation (some folks love Woolsey) and overall worse graphics and sound.

>>1819819

>opinions

there are a lot of flaws, but it has customization for your team unlike most games. the real downside is that the base game doesnt require most of those skills/jobs.

>>1814141
Not even much of that. Beat bosses and get items. Don't set any crystals until you've got as far as possible. Crystal = level up. Should get you to 888 easy.

Mario 64. I was 10 when it came out and I remember thinking it was the single most amazing thing I had ever seen. I pick up the controller and the magic died instantly. Over the years I have continuously gone back to it and even beaten it a few time but for me it's just not fun to play for more than 20 minutes max.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhsacIcTHSE

>>1823656
wow. just wow.

I remember being 12 and going through that whole game over a summer holiday with my cousins. Getting all 120 stars over those long endless summers when you're a kid. one of my most cherished memories.

>>1824642
This game starts out fucking amazing.
But it becomes a super grind fest and honestly almost luck based progression, if you want the most powerful versions of units (Mages into Sorcers and Liches) you need RANDOM DROPS.

Not to mention if you're playing it on PS1 the load times are slow as shit and it kills the pacing of the game.

I want to like it, but so many of the mechanics and shit you need a guide for, and otherwise its just a dead simple RTS with very little input. You seriously choose where you send your dudes and hope for the best with some healing with items. It doesn't help that the maps become astronomically large later on.

>>1813884
That's because the first one was just two mediocre games slapped together while the sequel was one fantastic game.

>>1814314
My issue with FF7 was the first half hour or so was fucking amazing when the plot focused on you being a bunch of environmental terrorists in a cyberpunk city but then it just kinda ditched that for a more average JRPG story. I would have probably liked the game a whole lot more if you just stayed in Midgar the entire time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsfeYYql0mo

>>1824971
Fightan words

Although I agree that the individual sections aren't overly interesting, together they form something more then just the sum of its parts.

ITT defend your favorite game that other people don't like

I think I'd have to go with Parasite Eve. I love both survival horror and jrpgs, but all the awful "overworld" walking around ruins it.
The battles weren't very fun either. I don't know, I was expecting something a lot different.
A lot less RPG, anyway.

>>1816134
I'm a huge final fantasy nerd and I don't like VII much, if at all. I was much more impressed by VIII and IX.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bnmcYJHNCo

>>1811476
Maybe I will try my 4th attempt on this game, one day I will conquer the boredom it gives me and play it through.

>>1811569
Yeah and they really take some time to get rolling, dropped PS:T at the undead city for a month or so. If you can mange to start these games up again the progress goes much smoother somehow.

I even dropped Baldurs gate 2 at the underdark for around 5-6 month's, glad to have played it through though.

>>1811423
all retro castlevania with nes-like movement.

>>1825445
beat it with Gameshark when I was a kid.
>have it
>so hard to get into
>i am old
>mfw

>>1811423
>not, quite, retro
>I want to love it, but it just makes me want to play
>pokemon

>>1816582

>waifu meru

My nig of nigs.

>>1825332
What didn't you like about it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBRkqsX-YR8

>>1811680
>NES Tetris
No wonder. You're playing a shitty version of the game. Downloading the Tetris The Grand Master series on MAME if you want to see a good version of Tetris.

Bought the original Klonoa used from GameStop when they were still selling PS1 games due to a strong recommendation from an online friend. Only played once then to see if it worked and never looked back until recently.

Playing it now and I don't see what's the big deal is. It's just another overly cutesy 2.5D platformer with a difficulty level designed with infants in mind. Maybe Klonoa 2 is better.

>>1824971
>That's because the first one was just two mediocre games slapped together while the sequel was one fantastic game.
My nigga! I don't see what people saw in that God sim minigame in the original ActRaiser to go out of their way to shit on the sequel. If I wanted to play God, I would've bought Populous instead.

>>1828253
Have you finished the game? The difficulty starts to rise steadily at Vision 4, and the plot makes it all worth it in the end.

>>1828239
TGM2 is almost unplayable after getting used to TGM3/TGM Ace.

>>1828253
>cutesy

OK, buddy, whatever you say. Finish the game, and tell us all about how cutesy it was.

>>1811684

Shitty fucking ass controls

It's an epidemic in the entire genre, too.

>>1811423
Pretty much all JRPGs

I'm so sorry

>>1828253

The game starts pretty slow. The level design later on starts to get much better. By the time you get to Coronia you won't want to put it down.

>>1828784

>"I'm too stupid to take 4 seconds to adjust to the control scheme"
>This makes the game bad

Yeah, OK...

>millions of other people had literally no problem with the controls at all at any point in time
>literally emotionally disturbed teenagers (like I was)(clinical depression and maybe a little schizzo FYI) mastered the controls within minutes

but big bad mr "these controls suck!" is retarded, so now the entire genre is shit.

Go back to CoD and Halo and fuck yourself in the ass with a large oddly shaped object while you're at it.

>>1828807
Not him, but I hate tank controls-- they make movement really awkward an robotic feeling.

Oddworld.
I really like the style and "creative" gameplay in theory but when I play them I just find them boring and not that funny.

A bit like Soul Reaver in that regard. Great style/setting but the gameplay and controls is kind of ass

>>1828807
>Go back to CoD and Halo
Not the guy you replied to, but are you going to use that strawman against everyone with a viewpoint you don't agree with? It makes you look a butthurt fanboy.
>He doesn't like what I like, he must be a CoD Kiddie.

>>1828832

welcome to /vr/, where most all disagreements are handled by saying "go back to /v/", "You're a kid", or "go play COD"

>>1811657
This.

>>1811723
Sounds like you're a rather boring person, to be honest.

I always found the original Streets of Rage to be overrated and I think it's a miracle that it got a sequel. It's basically a Golden Axe reskin in an urban setting. I'm guessing kids back then were just desperate to play any beat-'em-up with a 2P mode on a 16-bit console, no matter how lackluster it was, but I much rather play the SNES Final Fight. Thank God that the sequels were superior

>>1814314
Grinding? In FFVII? Are you serious?

>>1815365
That's just an all-around terrible game, no wonder you can't "get into it." It's like saying you can't get into the modern The Need For Speed. Of course you can't, there's nothing to get into, it's just bad.

>>1824976
That's the most com nly held sentimen about FFVII, really. The times of "best gayme evar" fanpeople has past.

>>1828869
Was a pretty great game to someone like me that was completely ignorant about Golden Axe or Final Fight.
Had a blast.

>>1828869
Streets of Rage 1? Overrated? People rarely talk about it, and even the fans mostly ignore it. SOR2 is where it's at.

Even though I really like platformers, I could never get into Kid Chameleon, Dynamite Headdy, Plok and Rayman.

>>1828228

This game is just plain awful and I cannot comprehend why it is considered an SNES classic. Don't feel bad about being unable to get into it since all you'll be doing is waiting for some bullshit Mode 7 gimmick to pass over. All the other Makaimura games are pretty great though.

>>1824796
>But it becomes a super grind fest and honestly almost luck based progression
No, just a super grind fest. You wipe out all enemy units, camp out for gold with only your main attack unit sitting near the boss, buy tons of cards, repeat. Or you can bust your hump trying to get the perfect ending which involves doing a long list of shit perfectly right.

I enjoy the game at times, but it annoys me at times as well.

>>1812324
as SRPG, Disgaea is dreadful. It can be a fun game, but if you want to play some kind of group tactic game, it's at the different end of the spectrum.

>>1819819
>Name a bunch of SRPG that are all flawed
>FFT stands out as the worst.
I would argue that shit like Vandal Hearts' text being a fucking clusterfuck is worse then anything in FFT. Theres flaws in all of the Strategy games, mostly the fact that they all require almost zero strategy.

>>1829772
Disgaea is especially bad. Disgaea is a grinding simulator, it has no strategy whatsoever outside of a handful of bullshitty stages with geo panels.

I've tried several times over the years but I can just never get into this. It's definitely one of the prettiest PS1 games I've played and the story seems interesting but the gameplay just never clicked for me

>>1829829
Going through this right now. I'd say I'm at least at the halfway mark but its starting to get a little boring. I think the music, graphics, and gameplay is fantastic though.

>>1828736
How are you playing tgm3? I play tap but the lack of floor kicks is annoying me.

I've never gotten more than 10 minutes into this game.

I've tried to play it four or five times.

>>1829893
Are you not into RPGs in general, or it's just FF6 that's not to your liking?

>>1829904
FF6
I just can't get into it.
I've played the other games. I can get into them just not 6 for some reason.

>>1829935

It's not just the first 10 minutes. The game fails to really pick up until you start getting espers a third of the way through.

>>1828791
I tried this recently. I beat the first tower and quit.

I think I'm jaded with gaming since I kinda get the gist of a game really quickly now. I'm sure I would have loved it when I was a kid.

>>1828948
>SOR2
That fucking soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrF3WPi_7uI&feature=player_detailpage#t=385

>>1829893
It's okay man, I got 10 hours into it and didn't care for it.

4 and 5 are better.

>>1829943

I think you just need a break.

>>1815068
In the 90s JRPGs were a arguably a lot better than 'hardcore' RPGs like Fallout. You criticize JRPG stories in particular which is strange because Fallout barely had one.

JRPGs did what they did so well they forced the entire RPG genre into the mainstream, but then I'd imagine hardcore RPG connoisseurs like you hated that.

>>1824976
>I would have probably liked the game a whole lot more if you just stayed in Midgar the entire time.
>50+ hours of the same city and enviroments

That sounds boring as fuck tbh. Not to mention the entire game wouldn't work and would have to be redesigned and written into something completely different

>>1828927
>That's the most com nly held sentimen about FFVII, really

That's because people are plebs and is why rpgs like Morrowind become action adventure hiking sims like Skyrim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JrjR4ZD6rQ

>>1811785
>What is Tales?

As for my tastes, there are games I wanted to get into but couldn't for some reason:
>Jet Set Radio
>Chrono Trigger
>Tails Adventure
>Majora's Mask
>SoTN
>Super Metroid
>JoJo DC
>Banjo Kazooie
>Revenge of Shinobi

and games I tried but soon hated
>Ocarina
>FF7
>Crazy Taxi
>Earthbound
>Dragon Quest
>Conker
>DKC

>>1811579
That's one of the most punchable faces I've ever seen

>>1814297
I really like the idea of it but the execution is kind of shit

>>1811542
I will forever dislike you

>>1811525
Egoraptor pls go

>>1830320
>You criticize JRPG stories in particular which is strange because Fallout barely had one.
The story of Fallout is the players actions and the consequences of them. But if you think exposition being shovelled into your maw in between tedious fights is a good story it's no surprise that you would miss the storytelling in Fallout.

>JRPGs did what they did so well they forced the entire RPG genre into the mainstream, but then I'd imagine hardcore RPG connoisseurs like you hated that.
Considering the state of mainstream RPGs today, yes, I definitely hate it.

>>1833530
>soon hated
>Crazy Taxi
You're the first person I've ever heard say that. What didn't you like about it?

>>1816154
Yeah I was 13 when FFVII was released, I had previously loved II and III (as they were known) on the SNES, I definitely thought it was the best game ever (along with Tactics) until I was 18 or so. It's just a thing that happens.

I tried, I really did. And the sequel. But those shitty controls...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuxgAAPXKk4

I gave it a shot. I really did.
But I just can't do it.

>>1833530
You just may have the worst taste in gaming possible

I wish the series never went RPG.
Rondo of Blood was the best Castlevania game.
The first, 3, and Bloodlines fall just below in no particular order.

>>1834643
So now you're trying to blame the shitty state of the industry in general on JRPGs? Jesus Christ.

If you can't find any decent RPGs then you can always go back to your tabletops. Nerds sitting around rolling a dice and speaking with ye old English accents is what true RPGs are all about after all. What a shame we moved on from that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4DcfLXlqAs

>>1835759
I dont think anyone considers Super Adventure Island 2 amazing by any stretch.

>>1811891
>DS cartridge

HNNNNNGG

Would you be willing to mail that to an anon who has searched literally miles for a copy ;_;

>>1812231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPyIK_Vnbl4

For it's time this was state of the art anon!

>>1834519
the number of fucks i give is inversely proportional to the number of controllers i own. and i just bought a pc joystick, gamepad, dualshock 1, and xbox S.

So said number just went down like your mom in my bedroom.

>>1811423
I could never make it past the first cave.

I want to like it but it just seems like everyone loves it because it was their first RPG?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtHY7ahoGwg

>>1811430
I thought it was Dino Crisis form the thumbnail

>>1835884
Maybe you should give it a chance before judging. Baldur's Gate is a "slow burn" type of experience. It takes some time to get into but there's a lot of depth there once you play long enough to recognize it.

In case you were wondering, my first RPG was (probably, can't be 100% sure) the first Might & Magic.

>>1835769
I thought it was a pretty passable Monster World clone in a system that never got any of the games.

>Beat enemies
>Get cash
>Go to the shopping malls and buy every stat boosters until you're strong to beat the next boss.
>Repeat process until you complete the game.
Such deep gameplay. I'll stick to Double Dragon II, thank you very much.

>>1836367
Shodai Nekketsu Kouha Kunio-kun is much better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4kJiTDB5tM

>>1812731
I tried playing this game and couldn't get into it. It wasn't until I played it coop with a friend that I really enjoyed it.

I started playing this and quickly found the combat tedious. Then I read somewhere that the story is really where the game shines. But it's so simple and goofy that it doesn't really hold my interest. I feel as though I'm missing something.

Like other posters in this thread, I believe that playing it as a child would have possibly created a better experience.

>>1836374
I thought it was pretty rushed, more so than Super Double Dragon. The worst aspect of the game is the disorganized inventory system with no way to sort items, tell apart equipment from perishables or know how much money cards you have left unless you buy something. 2P mode is virtually unplayable due to how much friendly damage can harm each player and having one attack button with context sensitive moves is lame on an SNES.

I did liked the samurai game though (Downtown Special).

>>1835884
>I want to like it but it just seems like everyone loves it because it was their first RPG?
No, my first RPGs were the gold box games for DOS. BG1 certainly isn't perfect but it's a fun adventure using AD&D rules.

Also now I'm curious, what's YOUR first RPG?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UClnK8_ZJ_k

>>1833530
>Jet Set Radio
I love it even more than the Tony Hawk Pro Skater series, but to each their own.
>Chrono Trigger
I like some of the things it does with its battle system, but it overall comes off as very bland,. so I feel you.
>Tails Adventure
>Majora's Mask
Well, it can be rather intimidating and a lot of people don't like that there's a biggere emaphsis on optional stuff and less of one on the main quest/dungeons.
>SoTN
I think it lost its sacred how status years ago. I don't mind it or the model it made, but I understand people's objections about the RPG elements being added.
>Super Metroid
I haven't played it yet, it's the only Metroid game I haven't played and my foavirte is Metroid 2 so far, so yeah...
>JoJo DC
Well, it is another Capcom fighter,
>Banjo Kazooie
I think its pretty solid but I understand that there's a lot of different games like it on the N64 so it might feel stale.
>Revenge of Shinobi
My boyfriend hates it, so you're not the only one. My favorite Shinobi game is the Genesis version of Shadow Dancer, which I'd recomend over Revenge any day.

>Ocarina
To be fair, it's a game about atmosphere. If you don't like the atmosphere, there isn't much that's gonna make you like the game.
>FF7
I've beat this game 3 times but can't feel anything other than apathy and a sense of obligation every time I play it. I don't hate it, but I just don't see what the deal is.
>Crazy Taxi
Okay, at this point you just hate fun.
>Earthbound
I love the Mother series, but I understand that it may have been overhyped for you.
>Dragon Quest
Okay, at this point, do you just not like RPGS?
>Conker
Well, I can at least understand that the humor hasn't aged well. Have you tried the multiplayer mode?
>DKC
I couldn't get into it much either. Though for the graphics alone i can understand people liking it.
Anon, I'm curious. What are your favorite games?

>>1836630
Ugh, mean to say...

>JoJo DC
Well, it is another Capcom fighter, so I can understand people feeling the whole thing to be stale at this point, maybe even prefering something like Virtua Fighter, Smash, or Power Stone for their fighting games.

I like Jojo but I definitely prefer alot of other fights over it like Joy Mech Fight, Darkstalkers, and Battle Arena Toshinden GB

>>1834550
I've no idea what that means.

>>1835175
It was the year of my 15th birthday but I wasn't 15 just yet when it was released. I disliked it immediately from the get-go. I just dislike all these EXTREME CUSTOMISATION: The Movie: The Game sorts of games. I don't mind if, as in FFI, you pick a job and stick with it but I really, really dislike RPGs where everyone can do everything all the time.

>>1829802
I've a strong aversion to so-called sRPG games specifically because they are you say: not at all about strategy. Any sRPG that allows levels and grinding isn't an sRPG because no strategy is involved.

>>1836668
Basically the anon was comapring you to a flash animator/let's player e celeb made a half hour video video that criticized OoT and ALttP and Skyward Sword for being too hand holdy and went pretty in depth about it. But because the sacred cow was concenred and because he made LPs where he sucked at some games because he was just fucking around on and LP and pretending to be restarted because its funny, the guy is now the internet's biggest public enemy since Anita.

So because of this if you if you don't like a Zelda game you're called Egoraptor or Arin.

Ego's probally going to be murdered soon enough for it, sadly, so the meme is probally gonna pass soon.

>>1836973
*retarded

TMNT IV: Turtles in Time. Then again, I can't seem to get into side-scrolling beat-'em ups in general.

>>1836973
Ah. I thought it was some meme thing like philosoraptor or something that I was unaware of. I'm not terribly well versed in all the latest memes and social media things so I'm generally ignorant of this sort of thing.

OoT I can't say much about. I was bored to tears from the first dungeon and never got too far into the game; maybe a third the way through. Same with all other 3D Zeldas other than WW which was, at the very least, stylish and charming.

My disenchanting with Zelda began with aLttP, which was okay enough but was the beginning stages of hand-holding gameplay. Other than a few dungeons, they had to be played in a specific order. Not true for Z1 or Z2. In Z1, if I'm enough of a hard-ass, I could get the white sword before the wood sword (very difficult, but wholly possible) and generally do the dungeons in whatever order I'd wish. In Z2, if I wanted, I could do the Island Palace before Parapa Palace, go to the eastern continent and fuck around there. I have done both of these things and increased playability for me.
With aLttP, you can't leave the first few screens around the PC's house until you beat the first dungeon (Hyrule Castle Basement) then can't do the Desert Palace until you've done the Eastern Temple and gotten BOTH the dash boots and the arrows. You can't even access the mountain and Tower of Hera until you do those two dungeons and get the glove from the Desert Palace. You can't access the Hyrule Castle Tower until you get the Master Sword using the pendants from the three pendant-havin' dungeons. You can't get the fourth sword without having the second and third. You can't access the dark world levels out of order except for swapping two or three. You have to do the Temple of Darkness first to get the hammer to access the other areas. Bull-fucking-shit.
I find it frustrating that it's not about inventive and skillful play but about getting Item A to open Area B to get Item C to open Area D to get Item E to open Area F.

>>1836597

>>1835884
This guy here,my first rpg would be Wizardry VI Bane of the Cosmic Forge

>>1836973
It was more of his blatant fanboyism over alttp and 3d in zelda being shitty. Completely biased and fucking ridiculous nit picks on OoT and ignores a lot of ALttp's faults.

Of course its Ego raptor, so he can't be fucking wrong could he?

>>1811476
I love this game and am replaying it currently but I can see the beef but for reasons that I haven't heard before. The game has some very obscure shit required to progress and does a good job of not telling you, if you're not paying attention to a little detail something that should only take 20-30 minutes can take you hours; an example of this is the required trading quest where you have to: win a yoshi doll at a random crane game, give it to a random mother, give the bow she gives you to a chain chomp, give the dog food it gives you to a fucking alligator, and then give the bananas it gives you to a fucking random ass monkey. This is all required for progression and if you skipped talking to literally anyone there is no way you would have known this and thusly would get stuck and bored. The game is entirely overshadowed by the next two gameboy games in every respect but people love it because when it came it out it was by far one of the best gameboy games out there.

>>1836985
Turtles in Time is overrated as a beat-'em-up, but it's probably best among the ones available on the SNES. If you're fan of the genre though, you're best to stick with Capcom's early-to-mid 90s arcade output.

>>1836973

That video wasn't terrible for any of the reasons you listed; Egoraptor just had no idea what the fuck he was talking about. OoT has plenty of problems but the things he listed made next to no sense, like the giant big deal he made about Z-targeting "making the game world less fluid" or some horseshit.

Egoraptor's basically the stereotype of a dumb retrogamer that modern gamers think of; "EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT NOW I DONT GET IT, WHY CANT ALL GAMES BE LEGEND OF ZELDA 1 ANYMORE"

>>1837338
maybe he honestly doesn't like the game for the reasons he stated?

I don't like the oot at all because of a some of the same reasons. The framerate sucks, so it feels sluggish and unresponsive, and it makes you wait all the time which is annoying. You could say those are nitpicks, but they're enough to prevent me from enjoying the game at all.

Didn't he also go over a number of things he didn't like about a link to the past?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0DtwhbU3bc

>>1811423
My sister always had me watch when I was around seven or eight

>that window scare

>>1837448
Have you never played the arcade version?

It's god tier

>>1837660
I had the genesis version of this as a kid and I played the shit out of it. It's a completely different game but it's really good, definitely recommend.

>>1837660
People like this game?

I had it, but didn't care for it at all. What was I missing if people seem to like it?

>>1815019
This seriously. Shallow repetitive combat and dull dungeons. I got to the jungle/lion area one time and just couldn't be bothered to go anyway further.

>>1837330
I suppose BG is just not your kind of game then.
I wish people could admit that they just don't like something without needing to attack those that do.

Gothic, Ultima series, the Wizardry series, the Jagged Alliance series, the Arkania series, the Lands of Lore series

I just can't, I try and I try but I just can't get into them how can I say RPG is my favorite genre of games when I can't play the classics?

>>1811423
Not even that it isnt a fps, I like the genre it just feels so slow and that first area I cant get past

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7g17h-KOxg

>>1838924
It seems you just don't like non-linear open-world games.

>>1838982

Also Darklands, the Divinity series, Arx Fatalis, Betrayal at Krondor, the Might and Magic series

I just I don't know, I need to go to one of those spiritual retreats and think about my existence

>>1811491

>>1815068
You sound a bit like a self-righteous asshat, but to each his own

>>1814314
I've tried probably a dozen times to get into FFVII. I own two copies for the PS and even grabbed a PC copy. I want to like it so bad, but it never grabs me.

>>1838978
Temple of trials is fucking ass getting past.

Have you played the first one? I feel like if I hadn't played the first one and known that it gets better after that, then I might have been less then excited starting FO2.

it is kind of slow, though. but you get better at killing things eventually, so there's that. And the GOG releases have a fast forward with ctrl + numpad.

>>1837592
He did but the reaction is only to OoT and Skyward Sword for the obvious reasons of them being more modern and having more screen time in the video.

The irony is that there were a month here where it was the coolest thing ever to hate on a LttP because someone dug up and old interview of Miyamoto with Nintendo Power that it was made easier and more linear so it'd be able to reach a wider audience.

>>1811459
I love that game but I can't blame you, it hasn't aged as well as I would have hoped. Voice acting was terrible even for the time, and the character imbalance is pretty annoying. Still one of my favorites just for what it tried to do, and for the soundtrack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd2NqblSmIY

Kirby games. They have no challenge and the levels are overdesigned.

>>1811423
most of the Zelda games. I just don't care enough about them, I start them and get tired of them so quickly. However I really loved Link's Awakening. Everything else was nothing special to me though.

picture - next smash character reveal

>>1839181
Yeah. It's kinda stupid the game (at least Dream Land and Adventure) forces you to play through the babby's difficulty first.

>>1835648
different anon, but tabletops require other people and even if you find people who want to play even remotely similar types of games you still will have a bitch of time trying to match schedules.

>>1835884
"The first cave"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYdQnBkI9kg

Chrono Trigger
Tried to play it three times, farthest I got up to was a boss battle in the prehistoric era. Like some other things I've come across, I really like this kind of grand story feel of it, but the game isn't exactly grabbing.

>>1812725

I quitted this around the time of the church, I remember it being so much better when I was a young boy

>>1839591
Probably means the mines.

>>1825445
this can be one of the best games you've ever played if you put the time into it. I didn't like it at first either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIPFkdSQm6U

>>1811784
I enjoy this game a little, but not nearly as much as the previous Mana games. It's definitely a weaker title in the series and if you don't like it I completely understand why.

>>1841667
I don't know if I'd say LoM is weaker, but I think it does feel different from the rest of the series. I know that personally, it's really the only game in the series I like.

>>1841690
That's fine. What didn't you like about the first 3?

>>1841702
I wouldn't say I dislike them or anything,. I think they're fine games, they just don't really do much for me. I did have some fun playing SD3 with my bro. Some of it very well may be nostalgia, I played LoM back in the day before I played any of the other games in the series. I just find myself more immersed in LoM than the other games. I do admit that I've never played the first game, so I guess I can't say I like it more than the rest of the series in its entirety until I play that.

>>1841716
That makes sense if it's the first one you played. I first played Secret of Mana, SD3, and then Final Fantasy Adventure. I'm used to those games, so when I picked up Legend of Mana it felt kind of weird, I didn't feel like I had a primary goal. I should give it another shot. Also if you like Link's Awakening you'll like the first Mana game. I haven't played Dawn of Mana yet, and i'm kind of scared to. A lot of people say it's pretty bad, and I really do want to like the game. I'll have to give it a shot once I can find a copy.

Baldur's Gate II. I liked 1 but couldn't find the interest to even start 2.

>>1811542
It's a sign!

capcha domicoh odysseus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAlYYDgx-Yk

>>1815605
That's a shame, I want to run another run just watching that video. This was the closest to western crpg Japanese ever got IMO.

>>1842315
>Darkseed
>amazing

its an awful game and always was

>>1824971
>First one was two mediocre games slapped together
>Second one is just one whole mediocre game

I preferred the first one.

>>1811595
that game scared me shitless when I was a kid for unknown reasons. I think it is a fun game but it can be pretty frustrating some parts.

>>1825332
I couldn't get into SD3 either, which is surprising because I loved Secret of Mana. It didn't seem like a bad game, it just didn't keep my attention.

>>1811423
Any of the Dragon Quest games, excepting the first one. The first one has some pretty tense exploration, since you have only one character with very limited resources. There are times when it really isn't clear if you should press on or get out of a dark dungeon before all your torches burn out. It actually kind of felt like an adventure.

Also, any pokemon games. I imagine it boils down to not having played them when I was young and not being a collector/completionist in games. They seem like extremely boring, simplistic, and grindy RPG's.

does "amazing" mean to imply super overrated but actually bad?
if so: zelda 2, system shock 2, pretty much every old western rpg before morrowind, secret of mana

>>1811785
Why would building a series of useless skills be any more important than anything else you get out of a game? It's entertainment, you're either entertained by it or not. There's literally no difference in quality between enjoying yourself with one type of video game over another, one type of narrative over another, or between spending $60 on a video game or $0 on a game of stick ball. Your criteria for evaluation is entirely flawed and based largely on rationalizing your own ego rather than actually making any sense.