/vr/ - Retro Games

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NEWS
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-Doom 4 reveal! Well, kinda. Only those dudes who were actually at Quakecon got to see it firsthand, but here's a basic rundown of what happened there. It might not be terrible! http://pastebin.com/W8P7fdq3

-The rumor mill/Tarnsman says Back to Saturn X's second episode will come out on September 1st. Nevermind that they're more like full seasons, but hey!

-hobomaster22 is making a mod manager for Doom in the vein of Quake Injector, and has built-in /idgames support! It's pretty neat, give it a look. http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doom-general/69346-doom-frontend-development-beta/

-Here's a music stream that only plays Doom music, 24/7; feel free to listen if you're interested http://liquiddoom.net/doom/radio.html

-Some anons did a 200 min. speedmap WAD and this is the result! http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=17781 COMPLETELY VANILLA, tell us what you think!

-Wanna see John Romero deathmatching in 2014? Do you live in England? He will be present at Revival '14 on August 9, see more details here http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1283115; for reference, this happened at GDC http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXkipPv0b4KMKE7z3WwlYYUCDLACNoYfE..

-The Space Pirate still hasn't updated! Latest version is currently https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxbbtKR5bll_anFPaVhUQVZqcnM/edit?usp=sharing (tutorial: http://youtu.be/mrFF8LCZw5Y).).

-HDoom has its 5th techdemo! http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=m12-hdoom-techdemo5.pk3

Mods that also got updated (links lead to their forum thread)

Doom RPG (not the mobile game) - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33292
Hideous Destructor - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=12973
Pirate Doom - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=32674
DoomRL Arsenal - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=37044
GMOTA - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=742401

NOTE: Got something news-worthy? Reply to this post, or it'll likely be missed.

xth for sound a shit

>>1808801
>>>/vg/

>>1808802
>The Space Pirate still hasn't updated!

don't get sassy with me op

So I am trying to figure out how to make this Autoshotgun sprite sheet work for me.

I am borrowing the code from Eriguns, but cutting the sprite sheet to something usable and having a transparent background doesn't seem to work for me.

I am not sure what I'm doing wrong.

>>1808818

Too bad he just did.
WHAT NOW.

>>1808816
Not just the Doom thread, the Roller Coaster Tycoon, and all those generals that are posted here here. You would think with those constant threads reaching their bump limit, they would do just fine in /vg/ where smaller generals are often pruned because they don't get replies as fast as the other threads

>>1808818
no

>>1808801
>"Generals"—long-term, recurring threads about a specific game—should be posted in /vg/. This is not to say threads about specific games cannot be created on /v/ (or in this case vr), just that long-term, recurring threads belong in /vg/.

>>1808830

>>1808830
And I'm sure the shmups, Roller Coaster Tycoon, and all these Doom threads have been posted for weeks in a row, for them to count as long term and recurring enough for /vg/

>>1808832
And? So are a lot of other games posted in /vg/ and that is where recurring generals belong to

>>1808821
I'll say mean things about him to everyone he knows.

>>1808825
lets melee. no items, fox only, final destination

Awesome levelsets with custom textures, go.

Hard mode: No BTSX.

>>1808841

UAC Ultra

>>1808841
Scythe 2.

So ignoring the stuff that's been said, whatever happened to that guy making a Samsara Invasion server?

>>1808841
Strain

>>1808841
Community Chest

>>1808838
>lets melee

As you wish.

>>1808857

According to the #bestever log, he did make it.
I guess he didn't post about it, or it didn't work, or something.

So back to creative boss fights any wads you can recomend as inspiration? Some that serve as dos and donts?

>>1808874
I thought Soulcrusher had a few decent bosses in there.
Winter's Fury has a few kinda fun bosses at the end but they are just too simple really.


Don't do something like what Unloved did, or what City of the Damned 2 did, or what Threshold of Pain did.

Those fights were very lackluster and simple.

What's a good Zdoom gameplay mod that introduces new maps as well? I already know about Reelism, are there any others?

>>1808838
>>1808867

DID SOMEONE SAY MELEE?

>>1808905
Zen Dynamics.

>>1808908

H-H-HEY GUYS C-C-CAN I JOIN?
Please? Nobody likes me...

>>1808908
gmota_gay pls go and stay stay.

>>1808918
>>1808908
I-i don't suck masculine dicks you faggot.

>>1808908
I wish I knew how to use your mod well enough to do what's happening in that animation.

Doom sucks. Prove me wrong.

>>1808935
Eh, its your opinion, but quake general is somewhere els.

>>1808820
Don't fuck with the transparent background, just leave it aqua. Import it into SLADE, do the offsets. Then right click, Convert Gfx, and then you can actively choose to make the aqua transparent. They did all the hard shit for you.

>>1808935
If Doom sucks then why does the Pain Elemental have Lost Souls fly *out* and not *in*?

CHECKMATE CHRISTIANS

>>1808929

Zoom to throw out grapples, reload to power the sword up, grappling with the power sword sends out a scatter grapple. Go forth and cleave

>>1808935
There is a metric shitton of wads on idgames alone.
If Doom sucks, why are so many people still playing and creating for it?

>>1808885

The thing is, a lot of bosses generally boil down to just "circle strafe, shoot, win".
Call me old-fashioned but I like something a bit more tangential. Especially for a final boss.

A final boss should be a test of all the skills you learned through all of play.

>>1808953

Why did you respond to him? Why? Why, why, why?
The bait wasn't even that good, but you just HAD to respond.

>>1808935
if doom sucks then why is there doom 2
atheists: 0
god: 0
spiderman: 1

So...why is Doomguy green, anyway? And not, like, red, or blue, or whatever.
Why'd they settle on green for the default color?

>>1808953
Cuz its gay

>>1808959
I thought he was making a generic "Why is Doom so good? Discuss" post.

>>1808969
because he is an american marine, classically dressed in green

>>1808969
Because greenish colors are commonly associated with the military.

>>1808938
Thank you anon, I will try this.

It's probably a lot easier than it sounds like.
This is just my very first time trying something like this.

>>1808956
Soulcrusher's bosses did have attacks that would hit you if you try to circlestrafe blindly.

A good place to look at boss ideas would be something like Ys.
That has fun patterns to deal with.

>>1808841
Eternal Doom

>>1808969
Couldn't tell you, anon.

Look out, Mike! You got competition!

44th for qt traps and v&

>>1809095
just an fyi
i already checked with the dude
and he is cool with people using these for any hdoom mods

>>1809069

That looks more...grey-tan than green.
Fuckin' lighting.

>>1808969
Military green? Maybe they just liked how the color looked

>>1809115
Well the idea is that Doom drew inspiration from the Alien movies.

Because it was originally going to be an Aliens game.

Also Doomguy looks pretty good in the 4 default colors.

>>1809115
Aliens is a dark-ass movie.

>>1809107
>HDoom Mods
Fuck.
YES.

>>1809095

>>1808841
Back to Satu-

>hard-mode

>>1808841
Lunatic

Well fuck me.

So I got the Autoshotgun sprite sheet going on properly but I have no idea how to make reloading weapons at all.

And I tried to check Demon Eclipse but that uses ACS for whatever reason.

Then I checked Brutal Doom and that uses some sort of inventory token.

I took Reloading through DECORATE for granted and now I'm just lost again.

I wonder if this is useful at all.

>>1809208
>looking inside BD's coding

Who would've thought you'd come out of there alive

>>1809218
I was only interested in looking up how things use reloading.

I'm so fucking lost, man.

>>1809095
But it's just a regular Archvile sprite with tits pasted over. No wider hips, change of proportions, additional accents.
Translator's note: it's a lazy shitty edit.

>>1808969
Blue would've been too similar to megaman
Red would've been too similar to samus.

>>1809218
Of course he would. It's SPAGHETTI.
If anything we should be asking if he came out HUNGRY

>>1809223
I'm pretty sure it's a joke. Maybe. Who knows what kids'll get their rocks off to nowadays.

>>1809208
wildweasel's Gunlabs site has a tutorial for reloading weapons. I'd post a link but I recall 4chan thinking that it's spam.

>>1809208
>Then I checked Brutal Doom and that uses some sort of inventory token.

That's A way to do it, but I personally just write reload by having the reload state:
>check if there's ammo to actually load
>then check if ammo needs to be actually loaded, if none of these two, go to Ready
>add one round to the weapon magazine
>subtract one round from the ammunition pool
>let this loop until either the magazine is full, or there's no more rounds to add from the ammo pool
The easiest way is to have these checks and states run at 0 tics (unless you're making something that reloads one round at a time), and then run the reload animation after that (but there's no reason you can't completely implement this between the displaying frames).

Alternatively, you could run on a magazine based deal, where instead of carrying a pool of loose ammunition, you carry a number of magazines, and you subtract a magazine from your inventory to refill your gun (any unfired rounds in a magazine is lost when swapped out)
Some would say this is more realistic.

>>1809176
>>1809107
Doomitry is a go!

>>1809215
GMOTA guide when? Cluster missiles, JRPG-tier chests littered all about, all useless to idiots like me.

>>1809235
Well the idea is that it's an autoshotgun.
I was going to slap it onto Eriguns basically.

I was probably going to make it have 12 rounds per magazine instead of DE's 16 to tone it down a bit.

I have absolutely no idea on coding whatsoever so.. I don't really know how to make it work.

Hell the base DECORATE for DE's Autoshotgun has no reload state. It has Fire and Hold and uses ACS to reload it.

Needless to say it has tossed me into a corner.

>>1808801
Did Doom affect any of you guys tastes in music?

its pretty much the game that got me into metal.

>>1809240
Beat chests for physical items.
Beat purple boxes for magical items

Physical items take dark blue bar.
Powered physical items take light blue bar.
Magical items take red bar. Powered magical items take MORE red bar.

>>1809240
The chests contain subweapons, which are used with the sword's altfire. Those glass cubes contain subshots (such as cluster missiles), which are the arm cannon's altfire. Subweapons only require sword energy (the dark blue bar that fills just by holding the sword), while subshots require red mana (gained by shooting demons with the cannon).

>>1809240

>JRPG-tier

THAT IS FROM SUPER GHOULS N GHOSTS AND YOU WILL RESPECT THAT HERITAGE. KNAVE

I plan on making a HOW TO PLAY/HELP page eventually

>>1809227
>does it have breasts?
>well, technically it's an udder, but I guess you can probably say it has breasts
>unf unf unf unf unf

>>1809261
Just an F1 screen would be good yeah...

>>1809239
Doomitry?

>>1809253
Considering how I first played it when I was around 6, I think it helped predispose me towards Metal myself.
Still despise screamo metal. I do not like guttural toilets backing up into my ear when I want to listen to music.

>>1809240
>>1809257
>>1809261
>>1809265
get terminus to make one
he did one for fractal doom
and zdoom wars
and prop hunt

....and a lot, actually

>>1809269
Like Dimitry from darkstalkers

>>1809272

That wouldn't be very fair to ask that of Term. The guy does a million things as is.

>>1809252
Also I have to say, this is the very first time I have worked with DECORATE in any real way.

Normally I just fiddle with things a little bit so I have a very.. Barebones understand of what does what.

Like I know how to refer to a sprite in the code.
Or fiddling with offsets.
But the actual coding?
No idea.

>>1809257
>>1809260
That was a nice summary, thank you.

>>1809261
Ghouls 'n Ghosts developers are Japanese so I wasn't wrong.

>>1809274
Your main menu image is just great. Surely you could keep on that track to make one more image.

>>1809274
>>1809272

I wouldn't mind.
It'd be a nice challenge, and you probably won't be getting to it anytime soon.
I'll see if I can take a stab tomorrow or day after.

>>1809252
>I was probably going to make it have 12 rounds per magazine instead of DE's 16 to tone it down a bit.
Well that still works, 12 rounds is quite a lot for a shotgun, and 12 round detachable box magazines for a shotgun are good enough size to carry around.
Pic related is a 12 round magazine for a Saiga-12 shotgun.

Is it gonna be full-auto or semi-auto?
I personally prefer semi, as I think full-auto is a poor choice for a shotgun (in my own opinion).

>I have absolutely no idea on coding whatsoever so.. I don't really know how to make it work.
Well, the easiest way to go about is to just copy the way someone else's reload code is done, and modify it to your needs, rewrite it to call the sprites you want, in the order you want, for the duration you want, as well as modify the other parts, like state jumps, magazine size and all that to your desire.

If you look at how basic Decorate reloading is done, it's pretty fast to learn and pretty easy. Zen Dynamics is pretty basic in terms of reloading, as is Zero Tolerance (apart from the grenadelauncher), look at how those work (Zero Tolerance uses the AltFire state for reloading, but it works on the same principles and there's no reason you can't use your own reloading key, or an existing reloading key)

>Hell the base DECORATE for DE's Autoshotgun has no reload state. It has Fire and Hold and uses ACS to reload it.
It... it what?
That sounds needlessly absurd and complex. What the fuck is Eriance doing?

>>1809283

well it isn't RPG, fartknocker. But I'll let this slide just this once.

The other problem is shit has been changing drastically so much with GMOTA as of late that making a help image right NOW.

Also I'm thinking about giving the grappler, at least the standard one, a slight visual makeover and give it an actual -hook-

So let's say I want to take an asset from Mod A, and copypasta it into Mod B.

Assuming I don't know shit, but i have SLADE3 and both mods, what do I need to do?

(The asset is a weapon, btw)

>>1809293
But Terminus already agreed to make you an image. You'd better ask for the .xcf/.psd file.

>>1809296

Find out what files and data the weapon requires, make it stand-alone, and then put it in Mod B.

>>1809304
Easier said than done, but I'll get workin' on it.

>>1809296
Find the DECORATE declarations for the weapon
Find the SNDINFO declarations for the weapon
Find the sprites for the weapon
Shove the sprites into mod B
Add the DECORATE into mod B's DECORATE (if any. If not, just make the DECORATE yourself)
Add the SNDINFO stuff the same way.
Check for any conflicts.
Run it and check for errors. If any occur, it'll usually tell you exactly where the error occurred so you can start troubleshooting.

>>1809292
Well I know how to turn a weapon from full auto to semi-auto, so I would go with what feels nice.

>Well, the easiest way to go about is to just copy the way someone else's reload code is done, and modify it to your needs, rewrite it to call the sprites you want, in the order you want, for the duration you want, as well as modify the other parts, like state jumps, magazine size and all that to your desire.
This was the actual idea and I used DE's autoshotgun as the base since it makes sense.

But.. Well, the code doesn't.
I isolated the reload section of the code too, check it

ASGG BCDEF 3
ASGG G 3 A_PlayWeaponSound("Weapons/asgout")
ASGG HIJ 3
ASGG k 15
ASGG JIH 3
ASGG G 0 ACS_Execute(700,0)
ASGG G 3 A_PlayWeaponSound("Weapons/asgin")
ASGG FEDCB 3
ASGG A 8 A_PlaySoundEX("weapons/asgld1","auto",0)

I guess I will check out Zero Tolerance and hope it's easier to work with.

I just want a nice magazine loaded Autoshotgun, and Eriance's resprited version looks amazing. Had to edit the sheet though since Spricer saw some of those sprites as one unit, and seperated the magazine and gun at the top right

>>1809307
If you're still struggling by tomorrow I might look into it myself.

>>1809296
You'll need to copy over all the necessary sprites, sounds, and code (including ammo and dummy item definitions), and add the weapon to the weapon slots, which could be defined in the KEYCONF lump, the player definition, or each individual weapon. If the mod splits its decorate definitions into several different text files (as it should, because keeping it all in one file is hell), you'll also have to add the new DECORATE to the #include list.

>>1809306
Ah, okay then. Still a bit complex, but infinitely more simple than the other explanations (or, more clear, I should say, not simple).

Thanks for the writeup.

>>1809323
It's obviously going to be more trouble than that though.

Ever try "give shotgun" in Metroid Dreadnought? You can't switch weapons with the mousewheel, and can't get the shotgun back when you switch with 3.
You'd need a KEYCONF for that.

>>1809320 here covered a lot of the annoying fluff with merging wad assets. Dependencies, organization, and heaven help you if the weapon uses ACS.

I have a question.. or a uhh.. statement I want to kind of establish, but I don't know how.

Would you guys agree that having the talent or skill of 'survivability' in a game, as a player, is the most beneficial and important skill to have when playing video games? The reason I'm so unsure of this question is because what am I even contrasting 'survivability' against? What key skill would someone argue that is important as survivability, if any, and is it as if not more significant than survivability?

After watching some UV Doom speedruns, it just becomes ever more apparent to me that it becomes less about rushing through the levels and more about actually SURVIVING to the end of the level as if it's actually a factor.

I haven't slept in 26 hours so all of this might be completely retarded, but yeah. Food for thought.

>>1809367
Speedrunning is about going as fast as you can with limited resources and surviving with what you get in your route.

The route you takes determines your resources.

>>1809367
If you believe the ability/skill to play though a game without dying once is a mark of competence, then I admit I am FAR below Plebian level when it comes to Doom.

>>1809367
>>1809369
you have to survive because if you die you don't win (except for death exits - the point being you just have to reach whatever triggers the exit)

on the other hand you can take more risks because it doesn't matter if you end the level with 1% health because you're not going to have to survive the *next* level.

>>1809369
>>1809374
But would you say survivability is 'the' best skill-set for a player to have amongst any game?

Games like Serious Sam and Killing Floor, where movement and map awareness is even more significant than actually knowing how to kill an enemy, your ability to avoid damage by actively being able to dodge and maneuver as opposed to just being ace at killing or something.

>>1809379
That is actually a great way to contrast it, thank you.
Survivability as in ensuring your own safety as opposed to risk taking where you may get the job done by the skin of your teeth a lot quicker.. or something.

I should stop talking and just go play Doom some more really

>>1809367
>After watching some UV Doom speedruns, it just becomes ever more apparent to me that it becomes less about rushing through the levels and more about actually SURVIVING to the end of the level as if it's actually a factor.

that just depends on how hard it is, you can charge through an easy level but a hard level requires more caution/strategy to survive the monsters.

>>1809383
.. like i can charge for the exit on e1m1 and be almost certain of surviving any damage, but if try the same on e4m1 i will surely die so i have to hang back a bit and pick off some of the monsters first.

>>1809390
>rush e4m1
>15 health, 0 armour
>don't know any secrets for e4m2
>don't call it a grave, this is the destiny you chose etc.

>>1809379
>on the other hand you can take more risks because it doesn't matter if you end the level with 1% health because you're not going to have to survive the *next* level.
Unless you're speedrunning a whole episode from beginning to end instead of pistol starting individual ones.

>>1809393
>Don't know any secrets for E4M2
>No Berserk
>No BFG
>No skipping 2/3rds of the level
Dear god how do you put up with the worst level?

>>1809398
I get mad as fuck and save-scum.
Truth be told, I could say I've finished the first 3 episodes of Doom 1 about 150~ times, but only episode 4 and Doom 2 about 5 times.

I really don't admire the labyrinth/open-ended maps.

>>1809403
Let me tell you anon.

Look up them fucking secrets.
I can't even imagine doing E4M2 without the BFG after I found it the first time.

>>1808967
test

Alright, to the Anon who wants to learn how to make a shotgun that reloads with detachable magazines, here's some gun I made a long while ago. Fiddle around with it, modify it and stuff, it should be pretty quick to learn what does what.

http://pastebin.com/8kuKa8F9

This is a crude tutorial I cooked up just now, using an AK as an example weapon.
I'm not including any sprites, sounds or anything else, just the basic code as an example, mimic the code and behavior, or copy it, or modify it, or whatever.

It looks complex and mindboggling at first, but once you figure out what command does what, what state jumps do and how they behave, shit gets real easy, real fast.
If you're confused, look up the ZDoom wiki.

Love, Tyrone Cocksmasher

>>1809425
I will try my best with this, thank you Tyrone.

I managed to make the gun fire normally (And realized I love the animation for the gun even more while fiddling with offsets) so adding the reload is the hard part now.

Whats the best resource to learn to mod doom?
I can do maps easily but figuring out modding is impossible for me.

>>1809470
Well what I've always done is modify other Doom mods to my liking.

Like fiddling with with gun sounds, animations, character voice, face hud stuff and whatnot.

I am able to read the code kinda okay but still lost on things, and currently I am working with what's posted >>1809425 to make the Autoshotgun I was hoping Xaser would make one day for Eriguns.

It has been quite an experience for my first time at working with weapon code and offsets.

It's been a bit frustrating though but I am slowly learning more.

I am using a mix of SLADE, the ZDoom wiki and just what I've learned from fiddling with other mods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqlOQrMz9_M

Lord Blaz confirmed for not knowing how to throw flechettes

>>1809503
>Not throwing your slaphappy hand at your opponents

>>1809503
Xharkov goes to the store: Hexen edition

>>1809425
>>1809485
Well after fiddling with it for 40 minutes I am able to use the Autoshotgun and it reloads when the gun is empty.
I put some sounds to it too.

But the reload button itself doesn't work so I'm kind of stumped there.

But for the most part it's working and that makes me very happy.

>>1809532
Did you assign a reload key in the KEYCONF lump?
Did you make sure the Player actor spawns with the reload dummy items in his inventory?

>>1809537
>Did you assign a reload key in the KEYCONF lump?
Yes.
>Did you make sure the Player actor spawns with the reload dummy items in his inventory?
I gave the Action_Reload and Action_Reloadcancel.
Doesn't let me reload doing that.

Then I tried with IsReloading on top of all that and I reload after every shot.
So I am not sure what's going on here.

>>1809542
Could you upload the .wad somewhere so I can get a look at it?

>>1808841
this >>1808995

>>1809253
The wad "Dark Covenent" is the very mapset that inspired me to listen to 80's Metallica back when I was 8 (14 years ago).

>>1808801
This makes me want a Dune wad where you play as either a Sardaukar or a Harkonnen Trooper and blow up some Atreides and Ordos forces.

>>1809559
Where can I upload it?

>16 years ago.
>played DOOM with keyboard only like a pro.
>Today.
>can't play at all without WASD and Mouse.

>>1809624
I can still do arrow keys and < > to strafe.

But it hurts my fingers after awhile because of how cramped it is.

What do these lines mean anyway?

>>1809646
It's just an indication line that shows what the half-way/quarter mark is, isn't it?

>>1809646
The linedef is facing that direction. In your case, the lines are facing left.

>>1809646
>>1809653
The leftmost linedef is facing right, though. It's important to consider which way a line is facing when assigning textures and when sectors are different heights than their neighbors.

>>1809646
Lines do have a front and backside, thats why.
Also this:
>>1809652

Ive played all the mods in the OP and pastebin + MSX, what are some other good mods I should play?

>>1809107
It always makes me smile when I hear about hdoom

>>1809674
Same here. In fact, HDoom is what brought me here to the /vr/ threads.

>>1809672
Brutal Doom, its a great mod.

>>1809672
omg weapons

>>1809726
>not Brutal Doom Sperglord Edition

Is there a remake of Doom64 in the Doom2 engine?

>>1809739

As in, Doom 64 levels done in Doom style, or the Doom 64 game totally ported in the Doom engine?

>>1809742
The later.

>>1809746
There's Doom 64 Absolution, but why bother with that when Doom64EX exists and is better in every way?

>>1809742
>Doom 64 levels done in Doom style
Does it exist?

This week is DURR GEE GEORGE the video the game. Some of the sounds in this actually made me chuckle a little, but they get old very quickly. Also, I'm pretty sure I remember this being from Of Mice & Men...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18JeUbMkVwk

>>1809271
>screamo metal
I assume you were born in 1999, and you first played it in 2005.
>>1809739
There's Absolution, but that's been long supplanted by Doom 64 EX which is pretty much a port of Doom 64's engine to PC. You'll have to find your own ROM to use it, but said ROM is pretty easy to find online.

>>1809253
I think metal is trash, and when I was a kid I used to play Doom with the music turned off. I've only just recently in the last couple years started warming up to the soundtrack.

Whats the optimal door size?

>>1809862
Enough for two monsters to fit through.

>>1809763
IIRC there was a project on Doomworld. Not sure what happened to it.

>>1809587
Do you have a Drop Box?
Or could you paste the decorate code onto a pastebin?

>>1809839
Were there any metal bands that put you off the genre?

>>1809894
http://pastebin.com/2k9tw1SW

Here is a Pastebin of the Autoshotgun code.

<3

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1lSmKy2T8vv

How do you create good maps? All I can seem to make are corridors and rooms.

Im going to try learning Doom mapmaking using http://www.doombuilder.com/index.php?p=tutorials but which of the 2 tutorials should I use, vanilla doom or the getting started one since they seem to be the same

>>1809915
Hmm...

I can't really see anything that's actually wrong here.

Can you register a Dropbox and upload the .wad there or something, or at least a .wad with the weapon itself? It'd be much easier to see what it does wrong by actually looking at it in action.

>>1809942
pen+paper

>>1809969
>>1809915
If he's using pastebin I suggest uuencode. Usenet solved the problem of sending binaries over an text-only link years before the web was even invented. For example: http://pastebin.com/91VEU4EX

>>1809987
This is absolutely fucking retarded. Why don't you just use mediafire or mega?

>>1809990
I just posted it on pastebin because I was kind of hoping that bit of weapon scripting would show what's wrong.

The reload and reload cancel and isreloading stuff was copied from the tutorial from earlier in the thread.

By all means it should be working so I'm not sure what's wrong.

>>1809990
Because he obviously doesn't want to use a service that requires registration?

>>1809997
pomf.se then.

>>1810000
Well I checked out pomf and this should be it http://a.pomf.se/qjziqh.wad

>>1809253
Metal a shit. Synthwave is all my ears hear.

>>1810049
Everyday conversations must be a trip.

Please help me

>>1810023
It seems to work for me when I click fire on an empty magazine, but it doesn't seem to want to reload manually.

When the reload state is actually called, it works, and it works flawlessly, but it doesn't seem to want to call.

Hmm...

Ah, yeah, I figured it out:

You didn't add this in the Keyconf before the reload stuff

addkeysection "extra keys" ultimatekeys


Otherwise the key won't show up to be bound in the menu.

Cool .wad by the way.

>>1809786
how do you do these things, i mean, are they first attempts or do you examine the level at all beforehand, or edit pauses, reloads, long periods examining the automap etc. out of the video?

obviously for this i planned the route a little, although it could go much faster

>>1810023
If you're not planning on Zandronum compatibility (which is already impossible due to the missile launcher's usage of A_SetCrosshair), you can skip all that bullshit with dummy items and KEYCONF and just use A_WeaponReady(WRF_ALLOWRELOAD) in the weapon's Ready state.

>>1809292
>>Hell the base DECORATE for DE's Autoshotgun has no reload state. It has Fire and Hold and uses ACS to reload it.
>It... it what?
>That sounds needlessly absurd and complex. What the fuck is Eriance doing?
Writing the code for Demon Eclipse in like 2009, because the demo hasn't been updated since then

ZDoom didn't always have a reload key; Zandro STILL doesn't which is why BD doesn't use it.

>>1810141
Will Zand 2.0 have the reload key, do you know?

>>1809359
>You'd need a KEYCONF for that.
>2014
> using KEYCONF

NO. You don't need KEYCONF for anything anymore, it's outdated and only exists now for compatibility.

All you need to do is put Weapon.SlotNumber x (where x is the number you want) in the definition for the weapon in the decorate file, and make sure the wad isn't using KEYCONF because that'll undo any slotnumber shit you define in decorate

>>1810152
Keyconf is required when you want to add custom key binds, or you want to add a weapon slot but don't want to completely remove the existing slots. For example, if you are making a wad with maps, and you want to add a homing missile launcher, but if people want to play it with MSX or BD, they can still pick up and select this missile launcher.

>>1809786
There's so much 1993 in this WAD it hurts.
>Hopping over demons
THE WAY IT WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED ETC
>Baron burps on death
I chuckled a smidge.
>>1809862
64x64 Units for a DOOR, 128x128 for a BIGDOOR.
>>1810152
I KNEW IT. Someone told me I still needed a KEYCONF if I just wanted a weapon and I wasn't sure. The Wiki certainly said otherwise.

>>1810152
>You don't need KEYCONF for anything anymore

what about, you know
configuring keys

(also addslotdefault actually has a chance of not being overwritten by setslot, and plays nice with the DECORATE methods)

>>1808341
>that was totally scroton; 'serious sam'-styled pickups, prolly for samsara.
Yeah, it was me. It's for anything though. not just Samsara; would be vanilla in the release but it would be really really easy for anyone to pick it up and use it for anything. Gonna finish it once I do a couple other things and stop playing HOMM2 so much.

>>1810148
I don't think the reload key was in ZDoom 2.5.0, which is the version they're updating to.

Is there a list for the oldest user wads? Like the earliest 10 or so?

Is there a WAD where you either play as an imp, or you can capture/use one?

>>1810079

When I download them and open for the first time, I keep my recording software open and record the first run. If the wad is interesting, dumb or annoying then I'll most likely upload the video.

On the other hand, if for any reason I get my ass handed to me, I play through them multiple times until I complete it while recording.

New GMOTA build when?

>>1810165

>Hopping over demons

If you mean the Pinkie in the stairway, I didn't hop over it, I ran over it.

>>1808824
>Not just the Doom thread, the Roller Coaster Tycoon, and all those generals that are posted here here. You would think with those constant threads reaching their bump limit, they would do just fine in /vg/

No, they really wouldn't. Pic related.

>>1810182
>I ran over it
Still wasn't possible in vanilla.

>>1810184
even the pokemon board gets a thousand posts an hour

>>1810194
It's closer to 500 most of the time, and only goes up to 1000 at the peak.

/vr/ gets 50-150 most of the time, and 200 at its peak.

>>1810194

And it still gets dramatically outposted by /vg/. The post active Pokemon general wouldn't survive under the tidal waves of Katawa Shoujo, fightan, and Starcraft.
The /vg/ thread with the most equivalent active status to us, the RPG Maker General (about one post every minute and a half, mostly drawing off in the evening/morning depending on your time zone), needs bumps CONSTANTLY or else it dies off.

Doom would stand no chance.

>implying gb2vg-fags actually give a shit.

>>1809537
>Did you assign a reload key in the KEYCONF lump?
Doesn't this happen by default now? ZDoom has had a reload key forever.

>>1810175
Don't think so, but some manual digging turns up
>http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Origwad
>http://doomwiki.org/wiki/CROSS.WAD
>http://doomwiki.org/wiki/E2M1ED.WAD
>http://doomwiki.org/wiki/STONES.WAD

and a doomworld thread
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doom-general/39426-the-first-pwads/

>>1809271
> screamo metal
I don't think that means what you think it means. Kindly fuck off until you can listen to Strapping Young Lad all day.

>>1809862
128 wide, 32 thick. Door should be inset a little bit, there should be a "doorway" into it with a lowered ceiling; this can be as high or low as you think looks good, it's good to change it for different maps or different doors.

>>1810186

Are you a purist or are you just letting us know as matter-of-fact?

>>1809886
It's still happening, just slowly.

>>1810215
>CROSS.WAD

Haha that's this wad >>1809987

>>1809942
Make rooms, and then populate them. Think of something interesting to put on one end of the room.

>>1810094
THIS.

>>1810176
You can summon things in DoomRPG.

Alright autoshotgun guy, are you still having problems? Because I can help you now. Post your whole wad on mediafire and I'll fix it.

>>1810239
he already did post the whole wad

>>1810173
It did, pretty sure.
I remember because no mods used it.
>>1810225
Well if you're playing a Classic Doom wad shouldn't you play it with Classic Doom compatibility options?

>>1810225
i also winced at the rather gratuitous display of "true" 3d thing clipping but since the recorder was already using using freelook pervasively it wasn't worth complaining about.

>>1810225
i also winced at the rather gratuitous display of "true" 3d thing clipping but since the recorder was already using freelook pervasively it wasn't worth complaining about.

>>1810247
... and it's not like it significantly affected the run of the level.

>>1810241
My bad.

>>1810023
My god, I'm looking at this and it's kind of a fucking mess

Well, I have nothing else to do today

>>1810242
>Well if you're playing a Classic Doom wad shouldn't you play it with Classic Doom compatibility options?
Who cares about playing a shitty wad the right way? I get the classic mapsets that are actually worth playing, but what the hell's it matter for some random garbage from /idgames? It's going to suck no matter how you play it.

>>1810242

>Well if you're playing a Classic Doom wad shouldn't you play it with Classic Doom compatibility options?

As long jumping/crouching isn't used, which can break so many levels, then there shouldn't be a problem.

While freelook is enabled, auto-aim is off completely. It's more a case of download the wad -> play it -> that's it.

>>1810094
>59 minutes later
>>1810235
not even 200 posts. wow, >>1810184 and >>1810203 check out

Is it possible to make monsters go straight to point without all the swaying left and right and walking around bullshit?

TERMINUS

OH MY FUCKING GOD

WHAT DID YOU DO TO THESE ASSHOLES

thank fuck i can cut their rockets down

>>1808802
>-The Space Pirate still hasn't updated!
But HOMM2 won't play itself.

Hideous destructor is some intense shit

Why is the 3DO music so good holy shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjEx292Ph8M

>>1809937

GXSCC pls

>>1809943

yeah, they both are the same so theres no problem if you pick one or another

>>1810209
>The /vg/ thread with the most equivalent active status to us, the RPG Maker General, needs bumps CONSTANTLY or else it dies off.

and the one person who was almost 24/7 is long gone with no signs of coming back. ive seen these threads reach page 3 while still being on bump limit.

>>1810286

check the mauler demon or whatever his name is, he does a big front leap

>>1810312

>e1m6
>26 mins

holy crackers

>>1810312
I still cant figure out how to use the bloody medkits. I follow the instructions perfectly, rebind all the keys, do whatevers nesecary and it wont work. Otherwise seems like a fun mod.

alright i finally did it!
i beat doom and doom II on ultraviolence, my first full play through of the two games, and man was the icon of sin a wimpy boss!

>>1809253
Maybe. Doom 64 was the first one I played, and now I like noise.

>>1810332
Now play TNT and Plutonia. And Master Levels.

>>1810325
Use switch item keys to select the item you want to use (medkit in this case), stand still and press use item. Note use item is a different bind from use which opens doors and such

>>1810332

Congrats.
Now play Plutonia and prepare to cry.

>>1810332
Were you the guy using Brutal Doom?
If not, congrats!

>>1810339
I think brutal doom generally makes the game harder though

>>1810348
no man you think wrong

Has No Rest For The Living made it to the PC in any form, and is it any good?

>>1810353
Thats how i feel anyway, shotgun and especially chaingun dudes are way too strong. And baron of hell makes me cry

>>1810339
i did, vanilla doom is too fucking boring, if only because of the slow ass pistol. but i knew i had to play through the originals before i started fucking with the mods, so i compromised. an i keep hearing all this shit about how brutal doom removes the run and gun play, yeah fuck that. it doesnt. people just arent playing it right.

>>1810325
Use medikits to prevent bleeding. Don't move while doing so, or you'll just make things worse. They'll take a little time to work, so be patient. Use stimpacks to recover health after you've stopped bleeding - they'll make any untreated wounds you're suffering from even worse. Berserk packs will very rapidly heal you and make you capable of taking sustaining much more damage than usual, in addition to the usual melee buff and a large increase in mobility, but you can kill yourself if you use a second pack before the first one wears off. You'll know when it happens.

Also, if you've got a buddy to co-op with, being healed by someone else is much more effective than doing it yourself.

>>1810359
If anything you should play vanilla first to appreciate some of the changes brutal doom makes. But whatever. I do agree that gameplay mods are way more fun than vanilla but i have also been playing vanilla for like a decade before trying out any gameplay mods

>>1810359
i'll try tnt and plutonia without brutal doom so the purists dont rage out their assholes, and see if they manage to be as fun as they would be with brutal doom.

>>1810370
i mean i've totally played the shit out of vanilla, but it's never been able to hold my interest long enough to go for the gold.

>>1810023
OKAY. This should be what you want. It's not Zandro compatible but fuck that, it's messy as fuck and I don't like it

There's also a bug where it won't automatically switch when it's out of ammo BUT the only solution I read to that was to add +Weapon.Ammo_CheckBoth and that made everything go fucking haywire (weapon couldn't reload, weapon could shoot without ammo)
Also, one of the reloading frames was in Doom format which was weirdly causing it to be grayscale in-game so I fixed that for you
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62697468/Doom%20Stuff/autoshotgun_fix.wad

>>1810359
Shoulda got Beautiful Doom at least man, but whatever.
>an i keep hearing all this shit about how brutal doom removes the run and gun play
That's weird, I've never heard that.

>>1809718
Same here here.
Came for HDoom, stayed when I remembered how amazing a game Doom was.

>>1810332
>man was the icon of sin a wimpy boss!
being able to fire carefully timed rockets off a moving lift is an impressive skill, given the game previously requires very little in the way of timed accurate shooting. well done!

>>1810384
Whats Hdoom?

>>1810389
are you kidding me? i just grabbed a soul sphere, stood on top of that pillar and just mash clicked on the hole in its head till it was dead

So I was working on presentation for a boss fight, Imagin a massive bony hand rising from the ground, with an eye surrounded by teeth in its palm, blasting balls of dark power and jets of explosive blood from its fingers, sumoning demons from the eye continually

>>1810392
(Hentai)Doom

>>1810394
i don't understand, if you just stand on the pillar at the top you're too high to thread the rocket through the hole.

>>1810392
Check the opening posts, its a hentai build for doom

>>1810359
>slow ass pistol
Its the first weapon you have. It's supposed to be weak and slow. If you want fast weapon, use plasmagun.

>>1810395
sounds fucking metal

>>1810394
Did you use mouselook to aim down? Normally you can only hit the hole by firing just before the pillar reaches the top.

I'm new to decorate, how do you make a weapon shoot a custom projectile?

>>1810416
http://zdoom.org/wiki/A_FireCustomMissile

>>1810371
>so the purists dont rage out their assholes

there's none, this thread is flocked with nothing but ZDoom mods

get you head outta your arse

>>1810394
If you want a really hard boss fight the brutal icon of sin

>>1810413
you mean people still play Doom without mouselook?

>>1810428

if you love getting your health drained by 63hp out of nowhere for no reason, then sure

>>1810394
Icon of Sin is balanced for vanilla. If you want a boss fight balanced for Brutal Doom and Mouselook, use the final bossfight that Mark made.

>>1810335
which one of these do i play first?
-master levels for doom 2
-tnt
then
-plutonia
?

>>1810429
I'm just saying, with mouselook the Icon becomes pitifully easy.

>>1810440

plutonia first :-)

>>1810429
Doom wasn't originally designed around vertical mouselook. Using vertical mouselook makes the Icon of Sin a trivial fight.

>>1810440

The Plutonia Experiment

then try Going Down

>>1810371
Noone is raging at you. Saying things like that make you seem like a troll. And you aren't one, right?
>>1810440
TNT is okay. Plutonia is pretty good. Master levels are pretty meh, most of them anyways.

>>1810440

try plutonia

>>1810440
200 minutes of /vr/

>>1810452
alright i'm sorry about that, i just thought, you know, i just thought you guys didnt like brutal doom

>>1810461
Avatarfagging is against the rules.

>>1810429
>>1810440
>>1810461
Why are you avataring? You know that's the most obnoxious behavior imaginable

>>1810468
Why did you even respond in the first place?

>>1810436
I do admit its roar could stand to be nerfed

>>1810471

What are those pics from anyway?

>>1810472
He's obviously new and rather than report all his posts I thought I would help instead.

>>1810475

or completely removed of any harmful scripts against the player's health

dealing unavoidable damage to the player for the sake of just doing it is universally frowned upon, only fools would allow themselves to be harmed for doing absolutely nothing.

but ehhhh...

>>1810484
>dealing unavoidable damage to the player for the sake of just doing it is universally frowned upon
And for good reason. Doom is all about avoidable attacks. Even the hitscan enemies aren't perfect sharpshooters.

>>1810484
Actuaally of you hug some walls that let you face towards it you can mitigate the damage and take cover, still needs a nerf, like a signal or pain inturuption, from a design stand point it does a good job of emphesizing its scale

>>1810508
yes, it is implemented as a very large radius damage, the same kind of thing as a rocket explosion. and rocket explosions as you all should know require line of sight between the explosion point and the player. so you can protect yourself by crouching behind one of the rocks.

What game is this rock dude from again?

>>1810512
Which is fine, but its instantanious, and on top of all the other monsters unfair

>>1810484
>dealing unavoidable damage
It doesn't hurt you if you're not in the boss's LOS. Still complete bullshit because the only way to survive that fight is to keep running from enemies. An attack that forces you to dive for cover means you'll get chewed up by everything else.

>>1810515
What the fuck are you playing?

...

>>1810506
>Even the hitscan enemies aren't perfect sharpshooters.

BUT OH BOY WHEN THEY DO; a single chaingunner can drain 60HP in half a second, if you roll some pretty bad RNG, of course.

>>1810508
>>1810512

>you need to crouch

as if killing the "ULTIMATE FINAL IoS 2.0" couldn't have gotten more non-vanilla...

>>1810515

Jeesus....was it, ehhh, a Dungeons and Dragons game?

>>1810519
it's clearly balanced for regenerating health! haha, just kidding.

>>1810519
Hence my siggestion of a pain state, get I a good hit while it roars and it stops and can't act for a couple seconds

Uhuh.

I don't even.

>>1810524
>>1810532
hahaha
please tell us the name of this work of art

>>1810536
It's MAP 22: Prison Escape from the 1024.wad. These are behind the four yellow doors in that level, with the yellow key being an optional and hidden pick up.

>>1810523
Armageddon Invasion with Samsara

>>1810515
Looks like Might and Magic

>>1810526
Actually no need to crouch, just hump a wall that keeps you out of its line of sight

>>1810524

Anyone here played aeons of death? I tried to get it running but failed years ago, im thinking its not even worth hassling with

>>1810547
Do you know which one?

yeah nah, this is a setup

>>1810558
>That picture
>That user
Ew.

What are some maps that have unique bosses like Putereifier?

>>1810558
>>1810580
le yiff in hell me me !!! XD

>>1810583

UAC Ultra
The Island

>>1810585
What are you talking about? I'm just pointing out that the picture isn't the best, and the guy who uses it isn't the coolest either.

And, next time, please speak in english.

>>1810583

ZDCMP2

It suffers from the "previous boss is now a sub-boss/current enemy" but overall is pretty gud

>>1810558
I don't get it.

>>1810585
Somebody's mad.

Report and hide shitposts and the people that respond to them.

>>1810585
furfag spotted pls off yourself

>>1810617
Responces are a knee jerk attempt to make a perpetraitor realize they are wrong

>>1810617
>le REPORT AND IGNORE LE MAYMAY XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Fuck off DKG / Donald / CZ / Sarias / Sgt. Mark

Has anybody here tried Doom 2 in name only? I want to play it, since Doom 2 was disappointing (too much brown) and D2TWID was somehow as boring as the original Doom 2 (they replicated perfectly the feelings of the levels, but hexsoil was an amazing map).

>>1810630
D2INO is really kind of disappointing.

notice how he is using pictures in an attempt to look like he is terminus

this might get out of control pretty soon and something has to be done about it

Well I'm taking a break from this thread

>>1810632

Terminus isn't the only dude here who likes toku.

>>1810179

Working on it. I'll release an update after I at least get early version of the combo strikes in

>>1810608
The person in the screenshot looks like the avatar

>>1810632
Yes, ban the germans

>>1810632
>Post toku picture
>Somebody thinks I'm terminus
Terminus likes toku?
I'm not going to derail the thread.

>>1810630

>MAP01: "Loading Bay" by RottKing
>MAP02: "The Compound" by Tarnsman
>MAP03: "Water Main" by Esselfortium
>MAP04: "The Siltyards" by Alfonzo
>MAP05: "The Boiler" by Pavera
>MAP06: "The Gorge" by Esselfortium
>MAP07: "Counterpoint" by Tarnsman
>MAP08: "Quarantine" by Purist & Tarnsman
>MAP09: "The Gambit" by Tarnsman
>MAP10: "Reservoirs" by Tarnsman
>MAP11: "The Garrison" by Pavera
>MAP12: "The Shipyard" by Esselfortium
>MAP13: "The Wharf" by Marcaek
>MAP14: "Flooded Library" by Jimmy
>MAP15: "The Causeway" by Tarnsman
>MAP16: "Cul-de-sac" by Pavera
>MAP17: "The Precinct" by Tarnsman
>MAP18: "The Sanctum" by RottKing
>MAP19: "Bedlam" by Alfonzo
>MAP20: "Leap of Faith" by Esselfortium
>MAP21: "Passage to Exile" by Megalyth
>MAP22: "Borderlands" by Tarnsman
>MAP23: "The Crucible" by Tarnsman
>MAP24: "Crushed Spirits" by Marcaek
>MAP25: "Dead Sea" by Esselfortium
>MAP26: "Damned Strait!" by Tarnsman
>MAP27: "The Bloodwash" by Alfonzo
>MAP28: "Abyss" by Xaser
>MAP29: "The Mortal Coil" by Esselfortium
>MAP30: "Hell on Earth" by Alfonzo
>MAP31: "Vorticon" by Xaser & Megalyth
>MAP32: "Well of Wishes" by Xaser

hexsoil?

>>1810630
It's worth a try, but I found it kind of frustrating. One 600+ monster marathon map after another, some great maps, but a handful of turd maps that are just a chore to get through.

>>1810648

I do.

>>1810650
Map 33.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBWGtXZMSdM

Are there any megawads with final level something different than icon of sin or survive-until-pillars-come-down?

>>1810598
i have no issue with cartoon animal pictures but something about that picture's expression makes me hate it. the "huh huh, nothing personal kid" arrogance perhaps.

>>1810630

D2INO is a completely mixed bag. Some levels are pretty cool and others are just plain awful

What I don't understand is that some time after the /idgames upload was done, people started to comment how they should've been played "on a pistol start way, in an isolated manner, as if they were single releases with no correlation". Where does it say in the damn readme that people have to do such thing?

They weren't prepared for the backlash, which saddens me. Hopefully they learned something from that and UDINO becomes a different beast.

One thing is true, MAP31 is the best out of the mapset

>and D2TWID was somehow as boring as the original Doom 2

they took the "the way id did" too much to heart, didn't they?

>but hexsoil was an amazing map

And here is something I don't understand too: they put in Hexsoil because they were trying to make a jab/nod at Betray and that other level they inserted in the XBox version of Doom.

Levels that have to do fuck-all with the whole WAD and were generally awful to play. But Hexsoil is pretty damn good and tough; seems like they completely missed the point of what they were trying to do.

>>1810650

Go to MAP02, and hump every little corner you see. It's near the beginning. Remember, the secret exit was done in the way of XBox Doom

>>1810662
ohhh, secret map. /vr/ had the decency to mention the secret map in its megawad!

>>1810669
>Go to MAP02, and hump every little corner you see. It's near the beginning. Remember, the secret exit was done in the way of XBox Doom
oh yes i know about the secret exit on d2twid map02, it shows up on the automap in prboom. i've just never visited map33 and didn't know its name.

>>1810571
Id say 7

There was this one wad where you could choose from multiple classes. And in order to pick up new weapons and ammo, you had to collect these little gems that dropped. Each weapon slot was represented by a different colored gem.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

>>1810679
that's my biggest rage-inducer with D2TWID actually. unlike a lot of people here i really like it. but why the fucking shitty fuck did they have to legitimize the BFG edition IWAD by putting a secret exit on map02 to map33?!

>>1810585
>le XD
People who post this asinine shit are worse than everything they criticize.

>>1810681

>>1810690
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/MAP33:_Betray_(Doom_II)

>MAP33: Betray is a secret map *1exclusive* to the Xbox version of Doom II, included with the Xbox Collector's Editions of Doom 3 and Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil.
>The Xbox 360 port of Doom II and the Doom 3: BFG Edition version also contain this level. However, it is inaccessible in both versions because the exit switch leading to the level in MAP02 is inoperable (in the Xbox 360 version, it does nothing; in the BFG Edition version, the switch causes MAP02 to be restarted).

It was there way before Big Retarded Moneygrab Edition was released. If anything, it's legitimizing the XBOX version, as you say in your post.

Not trying to stir anything here but...

>>1810353
Not the guy you're replying to, but in my experience, you can kill things faster, but they can also kill you faster, so if you know the level by heart you can mow shit down twice as fast, but if you get caught by surprise, you get fucked twice as hard.

>>1810706
>in the BFG Edition version, the switch causes MAP02 to be restarted
every time i think i've heard it all, that the bfg edition couldn't be any worse, i hear something new

>>1810710
uh yea except thats not even BD v19

Go shitpost elsewhere

>>1810710
are you sure that was direct? it looks like it hit the floor in front of you.

>>1810710

It's not even direct in both cases, but I do get your point. Pretty informative webm by the way; is it custom, or is it from a video?

>>1810710
Yes, we know BD is shit.
Please stop shitposting

>>1810710
>>1810724

Of all the things you could shitpost about regarding brutal doom you chose damage comparison when in brutal doom everything deals much more damage. And the webm isnt even BD

>>1810734
>and the webm is not even BD
Nice shitposting, retard. Next time play the mod before you defend it

>>1810734

Uh? But that wasn't me, and I'm willing to get my IP checked

>>1810679
Go and play it. It's good.

>>1810669
D2TWID is pretty awesome in that sense. Every level feels exactly like its D2 counterpart. Everything from MAP01 to MAP06 is meh. MAP07 is amazing, Counterpoint and Dead Simple are fun to play. The Gambit and Quarantine are mixed for some reason, since they should be Tricks and Traps, and The Pits. The Shipyard is just as empty as The Factory, the city levels are still based on Detroit, and everything after that I couldn't be arsed to remember.

However, I still want to play something Doom 2 related.

What gameplay mod do you recommend?
BD or Doom RPG/RL Arsenal?

>>1810740
I have the latest version and the rocket launcher does not look like that

>>1810748
Metroid Dreadnought.

>>1810748
HDoom

I remember this huge map that was intended to be a hangout place for some Doom community. had private rooms for some of the more outstanding members and all. But I can't for the life of me remember the name of that wad.

>>1810748
RL arsenal, not necessarily with RPG.

>>1810757
Nigga i dont play multiplayer

>>1810776
You can play it in singleplayer too.

I am kinda dissapointed there is only one singleplayer map made specifically for Metroid Dreadnought. I wish they made full TC of Metroid Prime.

>>1810752
It says at the beginning that it's using the Sperglord Edition nigga.

>>1810787
>Sperglord Edition

Is that a real thing? What does it change?

>>1810719
Sperglord edition was made to remove the things people complained about. My thesis is that if it's bad there, it's probably worse in straight BD.

If the populus requires I will go ahead and get BDv19.

>>1810724
I did it myself just now.

>>1810730
I was trying to show comparisons to the people who are DISCUSSING Brutal Doom.
Get some facts in there to avoid misinformation.
Just posting about it isn't Shitposting.
Goddamn.

>>1810742
IP Checks be damned. Here's my screenie.
http://puu.sh/atCrY.png

>>1810769
Doomcenter or something?

>>1810720
Well then... ROUND 2!

>>1810783
tried it in singleplayer and wasn't that fun tbh

Right now I'm using Smooth Doom.

>>1810734
>everything deals much more damage
>video clearly shows a rocket in BD doing pitiful damage compared to a rocket in vanilla

>>1810786

Hopefully someday some mappers will sign on to the project.
I would love to go through old-fashioned Metroid areas in 3D.

>>1810794
>My thesis is that if it's bad there, it's probably worse in straight BD.

Brb comparing the two versions.

>>1810794
What kind of armor are you wielding in BD:SE? why does the armor take 60 damage, and you just lose 30 hp? Usually, its 50:50 on armor and health

>>1810794
No, it wasn't Doomcenter.

>>1810795
>>1810748
Project MSX

>>1810794
By the way, you can use the "freeze" console cheat to make it easier to test things out.

>>1810815
shit, project msx does not work on my monitor

>>1810813
Whichever one you spawn next to in E2M8? I just pistol started.

>>1810813
Armor is jacked up in BD, I don't know about green armor but blue armor provides either 66% or 75% protection, I forget which.

>>1810823
>Whichever one you spawn next to in E2M8?

bloo

>>1810794
What difficulty is this?

I tried normal version of BD v19 and vanilla zdoom on Hurt Me Plenty and in both version rocket is 1 hit kill on 100 health 0 armor. And BD version of cyberdemon shoots faster rockets

>>1810848
He's using the Sperglord Edition, not straight BD

>>1810821
if your issue is the HUD not fitting, you could always use the force aspect ratio option. It won't look great, but the HUD will look better

>>1810848
I'm assuming HMP since I just used the MAP command from the title screen.

>>1810814
>>1810794
>>1810769
Oh! Now I remember! It was Mag HQ.

>>1810854
What does sperglord edition do exactly? Make monsters weaker? Doesnt seem like a valid comparison then

>>1810748
Satanic Redux. Raise corpses as your minions, steal health from living creatures, and shoot satanic imagery from a magic gun!

>>1810356
yes, look for NRFTL+.wad
>is it good?
it's not bad, much better than the master levels

>>1810863
Check out the changes for yourself.
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=37889&sid=de7dc393f7f5727b811d125e2e6728dd

>>1810858
My problem is that whenever I take damage, the screen flash does not cover the entire screen and there is an error stating something about an "invalid resolution"

>>1810805
>>1810794

Both Sperglord and Brutal Doom Cyber rocket does 8-64 damage on impact. It explodes for 80 damage over a 150 radius. It does the Explosive damage type, which the player has no resistance to. Compare to vanilla's, where it does 20-160 impact damage and 128 damage over 128 damage.
The Brutal Blue Armor also protects more, since it has an of Armor.Savepercent 70 rather than vanilla's Armor.SavePercent 50
This is pathetically easy to survive.

tl;dr: The Brutal Cyberdemon is a fucking bitch.

>>1810879
didn't mean to tripfag btw, was playing 4chan risk

>>1810882
>Compare to vanilla's, where it does 20-160 impact damage and 128 damage over 128 damage.

Pardon, 128 damage over 128 radius.

>>1810884

no worries

>>1810873
Instead of skimming through all this shit care for a quick summary of the most important changes?

I mean its obvious the mod nerfs if not damage of all monsters then the damage of cybie and thats not exactly a good thing

>>1810863
Lots of little rebalancing things and much better weapons, most of them with secondary fire

>>1810863
Here's it in the "official" v19.

>>1810890
>I mean its obvious the mod nerfs if not damage of all monsters then the damage of cybie and thats not exactly a good thing

Nope. Exact same damage values.
See >>1810882
and >>1810895

>>1810895
>blue armor

yeah...

>>1810897
>Exact same damage values.
If that's true then care to explain why did I get 1hit by cyberdemon on BD v19 and zdoom from 100hp and 0 armor?

you know what would be good in these cases? demos.

Both of them are being played on stable ZDoom 2.7.1, right?

If the exact files are being loaded then both demos should play correctly in all ends, right?

>>1810890
Buddy. Pal. Muchaho.
If you don't want to read through it all, what makes you think i do?

Do you use anything special for MIDI playback, or do you just stick with whatever is default?

>>1810904

Luck.
At maximum damage in Brutal Doom, that's 144 damage, more than enough to kill anyone.
The thing is, even at absolute minimum damage, vanilla has 148 damage, which is...still more than enough to kill anyone.

>>1810901
What's your point?

>>1810895
Thanks, anon! I was just about to do it myself. Here it is after 2 hits in BD. 1 just left me with about 57% and I was 2slow to dodge the second before screencapping.

>>1810901
Your point? My video had him wearing Blue Armor in both circumstances too.

>>1809253
Sort of, DOOM and THPS pretty much got me into heavier and punk music.

>>1808801
I have a question about Doombuilder 1 (my computer is shit and can't run DB2), I'm trying to build rising stairs but every time I hit the switch to activate them, it lowers the rest of the floor but raises the stair sectors too. Is there a specific way I should be building the steps/linedefs?

Is the RPGDoom extras or the DoomRL monsters add the cool randomized bosses?

>>1811003
I feel anger every time I see this image.
Only because I can't figure out how to set doomRPG up. None of the guides have been helpful. I feel like an idiot.

>>1811003
>Download BD v19 SE
>Try to launch
>This happens
Does it want to save me?

>>1811025
Didnt meant to quote etc etc

>>1811017
>>1811025

Make sure that you have the latest SVN version of GZDoom. Are you using the launcher? If you are trying to use DoomRL make sure to download it separately.

Hope you guys get it working. DoomRPG with DoomRL Arsenal and Monsters, with Ketchup and Beyond the Saturn is amazing.

Any wads/mods that have god tier dungeon crawling that aren't epic2>

>>1811032
>Beyond the Saturn

>>1811032
Okay, so after I download it, I rename the DoomRpg "Master" folder into just "DoomRpg", right? And then, where do I put the launcher?
Sorry for being a scrub

>>1810912
So basically the cybie does way less damage on top of the blue armor being much stronger AND dies in only 7~12 headshots instead of 40+ rockets?
Neat.

>>1811067
Wherever you want.
It'll ask you where the DRPG folder is.

>>1811067
Anything can go wherever. Just make sure the DoomRL wads are in the same folder. Nothing needs to be renamed.

>>1811070
>>1811075
I think I see what's going on here. My Antivirus seems to think it's a trojan.