/vr/ - Retro Games

What was the name of those missions where you followed the bleeding Pagan?
I loved those missions. From the gameplay-cutscene where the Mechanists don't want to go into the graveyard, to the spooky portal, to revisiting the maw, to sneaking through the ape-men's habitat, that mission arc (or chapter if you will) was baller as fuck

>>1807331
Trail of Blood. Good shit. I should replay Thief 2. Been focusing on Thief 1 recently.

>>1807376

>>1807384
New water(the HD packs water is too direction imo)

>>1807389
Anyway. Just for those who remember me, wanted to let you know I haven't been doing nothing. Baffords manor is almost finished being retextured. I think I have ~7 textures left or something.

>>1807397
Oh shit you're the guy redoing the textures?
I haven't been around in the past few threads, do you upload a WIP map every so often or are you saving for the full release?
Also is there a blog or something I can follow you on? I wanna be there when you finish

>>1807415
>WIP map
meant WIP pack, whoops

Never played any of the Thief games before, but got the first for $1 in the Enix bundle.

Is it good to go vanilla?

>>1807461
Sure dude
If the textures are too ugly for you, get the HD texture pack
The only "wrong" thing with it is that the artist changed the paintings so that his girlfriend could be in it

And let's not talk about that reboot(not to mention that isn't retro)
seriously eidos montreal why did you do this to me I thought you are cool guys and capable of making nice games

>>1807461
If it's Steam version, you probably should use the TFix(compatibility fix/high resolution patch): http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134733

>>1807415
Just saving for a release of baffords redone (sans object textures, just BSP textures atm)

>>1807415
>>1807591
Oh, and no blog. Release will be posted here first most-likely (either in a random thread, or if /vr/ has a modding thread kicking, then there) then I'll make a ttlg thread.

(pic is a WIP of the most time consuming texture in the game, which also just happens to be in the first level, go figure)

>>1807461
It has some issues on modern systems but the TFix fan patch >>1807508 mentions gets it working like a charm.

>>1807595
I remember you posting about this a few months ago. Still looking really good!

>>1807603
Thnx. I took a break to work on some Doom maps and stuff, but I'm getting back into it now. Going straight through the game (except training mission, that'll be last methinks). So after this it's Cragscleft (which nearly none of is done, doesn't reuse many textures from baffords), which ought to be fun on a bun. Lots of gravel, wood, and stone... Getting tired of bricks. Half this game is bricks.

What made haunts so scary compared to normal humans?

>>1807626
Love this picture. I'd like some more thief lore, plox. (actually something I'm attempting in the texture pack it to make photoreferenced textures more in-line with thief lore)

>>1807629
The whispers.

Anyone else hear the whispers in the haunted cathedrals library? I could barely hear them my first playthrough, so I turned up the volume and heard "help us, please, we're hungry" being whispered. Suddenly a zombie burst through the door with a loud clang and I nearly had a heart attack at the age of 15.

anyone else encounter that glitch where Constantine's sword vanishes?
How do you fix that?

>>1807807
Never did, but IIRC it can be knocked out of the air before you pick it up. Might look around the area below just in case.

>>1807835
oh, no.
I'm talking about it goes missing from your weapons, like the viewmodel vanishes.

I looked around and it's apparently a glitch caused by patching the game

>>1808524
Huh.
I never thought I'd ever see anime thief fanart.

>>1808669
you have no idea, mang

>>1808524
Yo the hammers despise the heretic mechanists, that haunt would kill the shit out of her

>>1809230
You're doing the Builder's work, son.

I love how PC gaming gives some games a chance to get better with age.

>>1808669
Should I use TFix even if I already have newdark patched gog version?

>>1809957
TFix uses Newdark so I'm pretty sure you're good.

>>1807640
>The whispers.
>Anyone else hear the whispers in the haunted cathedrals library?
This, fuck. To this day nothing in a game has ever horrified me as much as their rattling whispers. Especially that part where there's the elevator that goes down into darkness and you can HEAR them down there and you just can't force yourself to go down without flipping out and slamming the escape key when the whispers change to screams.

>>1807595
dat artwork
10/10

>>1807626
Is that an official thing or fan-made ?

>>1810281
AAHAHAHAHAH
AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAHAHAAAAHAAHAAH
*cling* *cling* *spaff* UUUUURGHHHH
u r ded

Do you guys consider using the blackjack cheap? I always feel like a lesser thief when I have to knock someone out to pass an area.

>>1807595

It looks good but you should know that TTLG is letting anyone collaborate on a texture pack which aims to be as close to the originals as possible. They're perfectionists when it comes to which texures make it in the pack but if you post WIPs they leave some really constructive criticism on what to fix. There's no point in having multiple textures packs around for the same game.

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140187

>>1810990
I like to knockout everybody and then running freely in the level.

>>1810990
Ghosting is harder and a fun challenge, i don't consider the blackjack to be cheap necessarily, it just depends on my mood with which way i wanna play.
There are a few levels in thief 1 for sure that are impossible to pure-ghost, like no search modes or nothing. The room in thieves guild where the second in command guy has the bracelet and house key is an example. A guard staring right at the door or loot with no way to get past. Many of the original missions are possible though. Baffords, cragscleft, assassins, the sword, etc.
One neat trick i discovered while trying to ghost thief 1 is that stationary, unalerted spiders are looking out of their butts. That is when theyre just sitting there, turning around occasionally, their vision cone is coming out of their asses, not their eyes. I dont they actually turn around when they appear to. This is why spiders are so hard to sneak past.
I think walking spiders have vision out their front though.

>>1811037
How is it possible to ghost assassins? I can't ever seem to get past the one part where you need to pickpocket the purse from the lord's belt. There's a guard that's just standing in the doorway.

>>1811054
The guard is there sometimes and sometimes he's not. I'm not sure what the conditions for his appearance are. It may be the version of thief gold. I noticed a surprising number of changes when i patched to newdark, like garrett had new lines even. But idk. Maybe try getting there sooner?

>>1811060
In fact I wonder if he isnt one of the guys that have a conversation and then walk away. So if you can get there before triggering the conversation, he wouldnt be there.

>>1809957
tfix and tafferpatcher are best because they are maintained to this day. newdark only got a release some months ago.

>>1811037
is it possible to ghosts mage towers?
I gave up stealth in the fire tower

>>1808669
There's all kinds of Thief fanart.

>>1811820
I sure do love fanart that shits all over the story

>>1807470
Wow, classy way to announce that you're getting some I guess.

>>1811834
I'm pretty sure it's meant to be amusing, don't be such a buzzkill.

>>1811231
I'm pretty sure fire tower is ghostable, you just need moss arrows for jumping across those gaps onto metal, and a few water arrows wouldnt hurt

>>1811021
Yeah, I know. They're doing great work too, but mines a bit different. They're doing theirs based on the original sources (mainly), and I'd rather paint mine based solely on the low res images and thief lore, and more painted. Photo-real textures in a low res game look off to me. They used my carpet textures as a base though, actually...

Also when I finish the textures I may remodel the objects/characters/retool the levels. If it comes to that I'd rather it all match style wise...

It'd be cool to fix the animations to stay on-balance and add facial expressions during fights and stuff, but that would take a complete re-tooling of the animation system. Hopefully Newdark guy didn't call it quits.

I really want to enjoy Thief. I watched someone play Gold on youtube and it looked fun, so I tried Thief 2. But I guess I just suck too hard. I'm only on mission 3. I spent hours on mission 1 alone. I couldn't finish mission 2 until I lowered the difficulty off Expert. And then it was too easy and was no longer fun. But on Expert it was just frustrating.

Now I'm on the third mission, the game says I can't even knock anyone out, and there are strange Mechanist faces (I think that's what they're called) paired up with guards and I just can't handle it man. I can't do it!

>>1811935
the game is not impossible, it's you should be able to pull it off

>>1811935
Why play on Expert before you've learned the game? Knowing where the best stuff is beforehand helps a lot.

>>1811976
I heard if you play on lower difficulties, you miss out on some content. I don't know if that's true or not, was trying to avoid spoilers.

>>1811985
You can play through twice.

>>1811985
You miss out on more challenging (and imo more fun) objectives.

These objectives can be completed regardless, though.

>>1812161
well aside from the few levels that actually change geometry depending on the difficulty

>>1812207
W-what? Really? Wow, I've missed out.

>>1812207
Oh shit. I forgot about that actually. Yeah. That shit is cool as hell. Far cry away from today's standard of more damage/less damage.

>>1811935
SAVESCUM, man. If you feel safe, save. That's how life works. Especially if you don't know the game.
Also, my experience from Thief 2 :
> be Garrett
> walk in the street, no enemies in sight
> suddenly, a kind of metal face 5 meters away throw something
> IT'S A FUCKING BOMB
> LIKE A MEGAMAN BOMB
> WHAT THE FUCK IS MEGAMAN DOING IN MY STEALTH GAME
> the bomb knock the screen of my computer
> I lost half my life
> look at the bomb like a retard
> it explodes
> I die
Then I learnt these motherfuckers could also throw shurikens.

>>1811935
You should play Thief 1 first.

>>1812219
well only if you haven't played on expert

>>1807315

I started playing Thief Gold the other day and liked the atmosphere a lot.Should I continue playing vanilla or are there any mods that make the game better? (game resolution change maybe, no new textures or models).

>>1811847
It's more than ghostable, it's perfect supreme ghostable. Also that reminds me I should finish this fan mission someday, but compilation errors are a bitch. Haven't touched it in a while.

>>1814370
Are you using Tfix? It does game resolution change and a number of other useful things.

>>1814420
Nope.I'll try Tfix, thanks.

>>1814409
Yes, you should.

The "Guild" mission wherein you steal a vase just took me an hour and a half to complete, Jesus.

>>1814641
That level is about twenty times larger than what it needed to be.

Really, as nice as Thief Gold is, Song of the carverns was the only good new level

>>1814719
It was mainly me getting lost in those fucking sewers. Everything looked the same, I just ran in circles until I made it to wherever I was going.

>>1816284
We need more thief webms.
Also
>that overhead swing-jump
wtf are you doing mechanist?

I have a simple job plan for this evening. Break into /v/, start another Thief thread and leave quietly. Lord Summer is out of town and the rumour has it that the mods went with him, as a bodyguard. So the time is ripe for a decent thread. The front page is always full with non vydia threads, and /vg/ is far to exposed. But Cutty tells me there's a better way in, around to the side, more out of the way. Only regular Taffers, and likely no shitposters to...complicate matters. The piece Cutty wants is a decent thread,good arguments, the usual adornments. It should provide a good discussion. Lord Summer, like most of his kind, probably keeps his best comments on the top floor of the place. Close to his heart, and far from his his console peasant servants. No point in waiting... I have Cutty's old sketches of the place, and every underage who's going to be asleep inside already is. It's time to begin.

>>1817379
I'll go to your thread and shitpost about how Thief 2014 is a good game.

>recently got to Thief 2
>mfw the police station mission on expert made me realize how much I still suck at this

I beat the first game and I still can't get by without knocking everyone out.

>>1817708
What's really crazy is that there's people so good at the game that they steal every final piece of loot on Expert without blackjacking, being noticed, or even dousing torches.

>>1816491
considering the way thief models were animated, these animations are actually really good, and very complicated. The way they had to do it is create a tweening effect with the vertexes on each polygon on the model. This is because they hadn't used the method called skeletal animation, which Valve popularized.

The models may be a little quirky and weird, but dammit what they pulled off with the animations is worthy of praise, they're great, expressive, and accurate.

>>1817708
that mission is pretty easy, at least, for what it's asking of you. It's designed to be ghosted, so it's a lot more forgiving.

>>1817910
>which Valve popularized.

Playing thief is really seeing how innovative half-life was at the time, not necessarily gameplay wise but animations, models, keyboard controls

>>1817920
to an extent...I think it did a lot of things sloppily, and often gets a lot of undeserved credit for being this innovative game, when the reality is it merely combined a number of elements from other games that worked really well into one single package.

>>1817910
Well they're motion captured too. I've actually been looking into the rigs recently. I'd like to reanimate/clean up some animations, but the weird rigging kinda prevents it.

Nearly all of thief is impressive to me considering the tech they were using... If you watch some makings of it kinda gives the impression they worked around the engine at hand and came out with a masterpiece.

>>1816284
>that rapid quad-hammer
I didn't know those hammerites were this good
can they beat haunts?

>>1819475
Yeah.

By the way
>Thief 1 and 2 for $1.75
>Thief 3 for $2.75
All with steam keys

Bought these and the Legacy of Kain series for $11
https://www.humblebundle.com/store/promo/squareenix

>>1819475
This is a video of a haunt, actually. They carry hammers instead of swords in thief 2.

>>1819475
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22ssSgNj-OY

I'm a newbie anon from a while back. Been playing Thief Gold for the first time every now and then. Just beat Escape. Goddamnit this game is great.

I'm playing on expert and the difficulty is perfect. I can't wait to start Thief 2 (which I hear is actually a bit better), but I really want to do some fan missions, first.

>>1820583
n...no homo

>>1819793
I'm with those who think Thief 1 is the better game of the two, but Thief 2 is a taffing excellent game as well and does bring some gameplay improvements. Level design isn't as good and atmosphere is definitely not as thick but that's my opinion.
Also you should play some Thief 1/Gold fan missions before you start with Thief 2, that would be more logical I think. This chart here is far from complete but has many excellent missions. >>1808669

Heh I forgot I had this.

>>1811037
>Thieves Guild
god fuck that mission. took me 2 hours to complete.

>>1820717
Took me 8.

>>1820789
H-how...
took me more than 3 and in the end I had to look up some help because my head started to hurt from that mission

>>1820789
You beat me. Took me 6 hours the first time. I played on Expert first.

>>1820851
>>1820860
that level feels like 3 separate missions stitched together for no good reason.

>>1820860
> played on expert first

You're supposed to do that. I've never played any Thief on anything but. And even still it's not really all that much more difficult than normal if you're not one of those murdering taffers.

>>1807807
Yeah, I did. I checked a walkthrough to make sure it wasn't some spooky shit going on, and I ended up just restarting the mission.

>>1811935
What is it you're having trouble with? Unless you want to snipe everyone with arrows the game doesn't change THAT much, just more guards mostly.

>>1811976
As long as you explore thoroughly, you shouldn't have too much problem with the look requirements on Expert. I'm terrible at finding secrets and I've never gotten stuck on loot, though sometimes I have to do a final sweep to get over the limit.

>>1821070
Arrows are useless, I don't know the game hands you like 40 per mission

>insta kill if your sneaking
That's great
>takes like 5 arrows to drop an alert human
Why even bother that point?

>>1821090
Obviously if you play on Expert it doesn't matter, but

>insta kill when sneaking
How is that not useful? Sometimes stationary guards are in well-lit spots.

And even after they're alerted, if you're up in the rafters or something it's a way to kill them without risking a hit. But yeah, that's less useful.

They're good for killing spiders, so there's that.

>>1821103
In Thief 2 they're also useful for killing the ape-men. One of the few moments where I got to practice some archery on targets other than torches.

>>1808524
>>1808881
J-j-join u-us n-n-now :3

>>1821137

>>1821170
>Mechanist girl and Hammerite girl are the same person.

>>1808524
the joke is that his neck is pretty long

>>1821170
She converted back just in time for more necrophilia, don't worry about it

>>1807629
The haunts were pretty scary opponents.
Since I heard about Thief II not having as much supernatural stuff, I was surprised about seeing a hammerite haunt in the police station and the whole Trace the Courier arc.
However, I was caught off guard in Life of the Party when I found an apartment and took a mini-elevator to some hidden room with some book and some weird stuff.
I read the book then turned around I saw two zombies just standing there - I freaked out for a few seconds and thought...how am I going to get out of here without them wrecking me.
I just ran for the elevator and booked it, but not before hearing the zombie groans.

>>1821214
Did you find the haunts in Truarte's estate and in the Mechanist Cathedral?

there's also a special haunt in a later level
and some apparitions haunting a certain library

>>1821245
I only heard it in Truart's estate.
In Truart's private chapel, I stopped on the metal flooring by the podium and heard the Haunt's alerted sound.

I don't remember it in the Mechanist Cathedral. I remember seeing a weird person with a metal face (which I later found out were the servants).
This is my first playthrough and I just finished Life of the Party - I haven't started Previous Cargo yet.

>>1821290
The Mechanist seminary (Eavesdropping) has two haunts on Expert (on Hard too I think), they patrol the catacombs near the laboratory.

That special haunt the taffer above you is talking about is in Precious Cargo. Explore thoroughly and you may find him.

>>1821320
There's 1 haunt in Eavesdropping on normal.

And now that it's been mentioned, I can for the life of me remember the ghost in Framed

goddammit, I with the Thief wiki was better, half the thief 2 levels are blank articles

>>1821339
The ghost in Framed is in the cellblock near the interrogation room. There's even some serial killer rambling in his cell nearby. The ghost has a haunt appreance but is commpletely oblivious to Garrett and non-physical.

>>1821339
You can append it can't you?

I'd like a more complete timeline myself. Not just plot related stuff, but deep ass lore. Every level has it's own history and timeline, which I think is what makes the game more atmospheric. Lotta thought went into the games.

Thief, for me, a rare example of a game where jacking the difficulty to the maximum actually made the game more challenging without making it cheap. More goals really tested my resolve, but I had so much fun doing it I never felt put off. These days it's all about bullet sponges and cheaper AI, the devs for this game knew what they were doing and did it perfectly.

>>1821350
godammit, I wish I had gone back there now
I figured I was in just the right spot for it to not notice me so I booked it

> be in Thief 2
> mission where you must stay unheard
> jump from carpet to carpet like a master taffer
> fail a jump
> land on marble
> instant game over
Am I the only one ?

>>1821049
One of the things that always pissed me off about Expert is that they give you a bunch of tools for killing dudes but you can't use any of them. I mean, you can use Broadheads as ghetto noisemakers, but I'd rather be able to sell them for some more water arrows or something.

>>1822350
Of course you aren't. I'm sure there's a support group somewhere...
>>1822951
Really the broadheads and sword are the only ones. But you can use arrows on burricks and other crabmen with no game over. If they didn't give you any in a level you could logic out "Oh, there's only people on this level" once you saw the pattern.

> playing Thief 1, Expert mode
> blackjack a guard
> where will I hide his body ?
> idea
> throw him in the water
> noone will find him (DEVILISH)
> savescum
> 30 seconds later
> GAME OVER
> he drowned

>>1823506
What the fuck did you expect?

>>1823528
I expected it didn't count as a murder. People can drown on their own, and you can kill them using a trap in Constantine's castle without getting a game over.

>>1823532
But you threw him in the water, it's still murder.

>>1823542
N...No, it was an accident, I swear !
I thought the game wasn't smart enough.

>>1823532
>>1823528
I was kind of wondering, if you were to lure, say a zombie into the hammerites in Cragscleft and it kills them would you still get a game over?

I kinda have figured Thief to be an old enough game where any death would be attributed to the player

>>1823581
No, you wouldn't. The hammerites choose to fight the zombie on their own will.

>>1824567
I sketched a picture of garrett back when thief came out, and scanned/colored it. Wonder what happened to it. Might still be floating around on a floppy somewhere.

New NewDark patch, 1.22!
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144235

Hi
Hello
Is this where I apply to become a Hammerite?

>>1826867
Mechanist race reporting in.
Go suck a Pagan's dick, you Hammerite pleb. Praise Karras.

> tfw no qt3.14 steam loli robot gf

>>1826908
btw, any idea who is that spooky robot child we see in Thief 2 ?
I assumed it was the "child" of Karras, but I haven't read anything about it.

>>1826908
>Implying your bastard branch and compete with the true nature of the Hammers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsgNX9eErU

>>1825890
Fookin nice.
It's at least good to know that the development of it hasn't ended anyway.

Hoping whoever it is is planning on adding newer features. Normal maps would be nice, and a proper skeletal system would be fucking ace...

>>1827282
Normal map support I mean, nothing added/changed to the main game by default other than bug fixes and what-have-you.

>>1826916
http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/Mechanical_Cherub

>>1827724
>The mechanical cherub was likely added by the developers simply to give players a jump.
Okay.

>that hidden house in the Haunted Cathedral Level
>all the time needed to find the last fucking piece of loot in that level too.

>>1828462
I remember that in that level there is a building with spiders inside where you have to do I-don't-remember-which objective in Expert mode, and in front of that building there is a vase on a roof.

>>1828470
That's the Watchman's Grave.

There we only two spiders, though. I just sniped them with fire arrows.

>>1828354
lorefag status BTFO

>>1828354
>>1828485
It certainly worked

>not just locking the cherub in the room and forgetting about the fucker

>>1821339
Yeah, for having such a strong community of mappers and players that presumable know the ins and outs of the engine, Thief is sorely lacking in a wiki or FAQ about how all the mechanics work. I guess not everything can be as good as the Doom wiki but come on, there should be basic stuff about how the AI functions and quirks of the engine.

>>1829343
>>1829346
kawaii~

Just a hammerite skin I made for a non retro game when it came out.

I did a Garrett one too that didn't suck, but I don't know where it is. There's also a better version of the mechanist somewhere I think, but I dunno where.

>>1829495
Whoops.

>>1829510
>>1829495
here's one I made that I based off of Thief 3 Garrett
I don't have any body screenshots on hand, unfortunately

>>1829892
This is my Thief 2 Garrett based off almost nothing but how I imagine he'd look, plus the eye.

There was a time when the only Garrett skin was mine. That soon changed.

>>1829892
>>1829991
Fuck, I'm bad at remembering images today.

>>1829346
I didn't know there was a Haunt one. Neato.
I've always preferred the T1 Haunts with their swords, and they also have a variant of their outfit that's darker. Speaking of which, did you taffers know that there is a Hammerite bowman in T1's files? It's even in some fan missions (Prowler of the Dark for example).

>>1830072
Sure didn't. That's rad though.

Are the gross monsters from the blooper reel ever used in any fan missions of note?

>>1830072
The bowman probably wasn't used because hammers are always in tight areas.

>>1830354
I don't think so, but they're quite nasty indeed.

>>1831596
Most probably yes. They look nice though.

>>1823167
Mines and fire arrows too. Though, yeah, a lot of the Thief 1 missions had non-humans. And explosives can be used to blow up those watcher faces in Metal Age.

>>1831898
And to blow open doors. I didn't realize it was possible to break open wooden doors for a long time. I think I was just frustrated with a fan mission or something and kept pounding on a door.

jesus christ, mage towers becomes a million times more bearable if you do the element towers first.

>>1832993

How so? More water arrows? I found the central, non obstacle infested areas way easier. Just guards there, lots of shadows.

>>1833846
because you get the shit part of the level out of the way.

the central tower is fun by itself.

I'm working on making a fan missions this week, entitled Descent It will be horror themed, but not with the usual monsters. Posting some screens from it.

>>1834502

>>1834508

>>1834512

What are everyone's favorite fan missions?

I really liked "Being Thief". It's like a short campaign of small missions wrapped into one big mission.

>>1834543
The ones that stand out most in my memory are Ominous Bequest, Broken Triad and Art of Thievery. Rowena's Curse was another good one - these levels are like the "Grand classics" of thief fm's, in my opinion. Most of them are like 3.5 hours long, Art took my 7 hours my first time, and they're just stuffed full of content and exploraton and detail and great story and gameplay, and original and innovative ideas.

A Thief 1 (not even officially or thief gold, though it runs in it) level was released last year called Nigel's Hidden Treasure which was pretty spectacular, it had all these different areas and was like a thematic summary of T1.

Of course there are a lot more than these. I think I've played maybe a hundred thief missions? But there are over a thousand of them. So like, three years of content, playing one level a day.

>>1834502
>>1834521
Lookin nice. Thief 1 or 2?

>>1834543
Did you play "Being Thief 2"? I think it was released earlier this year.

I enjoyed the Bathory Campaign, also made by Sensut. Not really in the Thief universe, but rather a game of its own, in semi-historical, semi-mystical setting. Which I think is a nice choice for experimentation. I have yet to check his other Dracula Campaign.

As for Thief universe missions, my favorites so far are "Disorientation" for T2 and "Shadow Politics" for TG. Both share emphasis on city style exploration, much like "Being Thief".

>mfw the first T2 mission on expert
I MUST'VE FOUND ALL THE GOLD AND GOODS
I HAVE FOUND THE FUCKING BONUS OBJECTIVE
BUT I ONLY HAVE 175 OF THE 200 REQUIRED GEMS
THE ONLY TRACE I HAVE IS THIS RED KEY FROM THAT ROOM THE GIRLFRIEND WAS RESIDING
BUT I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING TO USE IT ON
FUCK

>>1834659
It's the key from the door she was kept in. It's of no other use other than leaving the room if you get locked there by accident.

Look for secrets, the required gems are part of a secret.

>>1834608
Thanks. I'm using thief 2 but it will have a T1, maw-like setting.

never realized how big of an 'oh shit' moment it might be for new players when they start up return to cathedral and the game doesn't offer them holy water.

I don't think the game ever tells you that you can kill haunts and apparitions with the sword.

>>1835657
The game doesn't tell you a lot of things: leaning forward while the light gem is totally dark lets you BJ even when someone is searching for you, it's a little tricky because you have to hit them before they collide with your hitbox; if you jump off of something high and land on a mob, they take damage from being impacted, but you usually land just fine; in T1 you can build up enough speed to kill yourself when you slam into a wall by bunnyhopping (in straight lines only); flash bombs damage undead as well as causing the normal blinding effect; you can kill metal beasts with the blackjack; etc etc etc

Speedrunning Thief Gold tonight, trying to do the whole game in a single sitting. Just did Thieves Guild in 22 minutes.

>>1835746
The single-sitting speedrun continues, with The Haunted Cathedral in 26 minutes.

>>1835847
Mage towers in 34 minutes

>>1835952
I mean, 31.

>>1835959
Lost City in 28, time so far 3 hours

>>1836040
Opera house in 20, total time so far 3 hours and 22 minutes

>>1836107
Undercover in 15, now the talismans are done
Four more levels to go

>>1835847
>single-sitting speedrun
An RTA, eh. You wouldn't happen to be streaming?

>>1836186
I would if I knew how, but I've never done that before. Maybe in the future if someone can tell me how that crap works.

Return to the Cathedral in 3.5 minutes cause I climbed out with a box

>>1836230
Escape in 10 minutes, total time 3 hours and 50 minutes

>>1834659

Did you check in the workshop? There's a button under the bench.

>>1836269
Strange Bedfellows in 10 minutes, one level left.

>>1836315
And The Maw in 15. That's the whole game in one sitting, in four hours and fifteen minutes. IRL it was closer to five and a half hours total.

Idk why I did this.

>>1836230
Just look up a youtube tutorial on how to use Open Broadcasting Software
Great free service; I use it to stream horror games

>>1836230
Open Broadcasting and twitch TV. Both are great and both are free.

I'd watch a speedrun of some of these levels. I'm not sure how you'd beat some so quick.

>>1835713
Other than the flash bombs, those are engine bugs and exploits though.

The ability to backstab haunts with the sword is a tip that makes undead areas a lot more manageable for new players.

>>1834502
Nice, I've seen that pic over on TTLG and I like where this is going.

>>1835746
Here's a single-segment speedrun I did of TDP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRYqhbTBQCs&list=UUn3IhGQXjl3UhhoEZwuo3Mg

>>1837013
I think that that's just as likely a bug/oversight by the devs. Though I seem to remember someone saying that it was supposed to be a special property of Constantine's sword, along with the not incrementing the light gem.

Why is the master builder revered as God when he isn't actually the creator of humans, but rather just a Prometheus type figure?

>>1838403
Because them Hammerheads are fools, only the Trickster counts.

It took me 2 hours to beat Guild on expert. I don't know how I feel about this. I got lost a couple times and seriously fuck that bracelet hidden in the secret compartment of the fire pit.

>>1838486
Have you played Thief Gold before? If not, you're gonna love the next mission.

>>1838513

Yes, once before. I actually stopped playing it after I spent a full hour looking for the last piece of loot to meet the objective requirement on the Haunted Cathedral level. I decided the give the game another shot and started a new game. I vaguely remember The Sword, so I'm sure I'll get lost all over again.

>>1838541
I'd just find a loot guide for Haunted Cathedral, the level requires you to find the largest percent of loot (required number/total loot) of any level. And the maps is large and maze-like enough for it become a huge drag to track down everything

>>1838585
Seconding this. Also, the last piece of loot is probably in the corner of a roof across from the balcony where you go in the door to the watchman's grave. It's a big jar but you have to jump across to see it.

Looking Glass Stuidios is the best.

>>1807315
THATS IT IM FUCKING DOING IT IM QUITTING EVERY OTHER GAME IM IN THE MIDDLE OF AND PLAYING THIEF FOR THE FIRST TIME
this shit is getting me too excited. gonna start with thief 1 becaus eim not a casual. i have the gog version so im good for newdark, right? gonna be using a playonlinux install script. my only question is how casual is the thief hd texture pack and how video intensive is it?

>>1839021
idk if it's just me, but the hd texture pack actually made my game start to crash around five or six missions in. Idk if I'd recommend it.

For Thief Gold, you should use tgtool as an all-in-one fix that includes newdark:

http://www.saleck.net/creations/gamefixguides/thief.php

For Thief 2, use tafferpatcher.

Don't give up on Thieves' Guild. It's the last "intro mission". The game gets 1000% more interesting immediately after it.

Feel free to post here with your newbie reactions.

>>1839021
I don't care for it. It changes the feel of too many levels, and is just pretty un-artistic in many places.

Like he added new trees and shrubs, but just sorta plopped them around randomly. Not a lot of though into it. And a lot of the textures are just straight photo reference. Some of it's kinda nice, and a few are examples of how to do good photo referenced shit, but a lot of it seems to somehow make the game more bland.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/08/05/thief-2-hd-mod-is-due-out-later-this-week/

Thoughts?

just finished Thief Gold for the first time, like ten minutes ago. Wasn't expecting a sequel hook.

or that anticlimactic final 'fight', but I suppose it's perfectly fitting.

Speedrunning taffer from yesterday here, I figured out how to stream I think, if anybody wants to see thief gold done in five hours, some time in the next 24 hours or so.

Going to bed soon but I'll be available tomorrow.

>>1839173
Yeah. But I always liked the Maw itself. Just all their engine tricks jammed into one level.

>>1839143
The original wasn't faithful at all, but this one seems so. Neat.

>>1839283
Well. Bits of it anyway. Fuh. I dunno man. I dunno.

what's the best patch for Thief 2?

I liked TFix for Thief 1, is there anything similar?

>>1839735
Tafferpatcher.

A little update. You can break into most of these houses.

Shipping and Receiving is my favorite level.

>>1840754
Before Thief 3 came out, and they'd just announced there was going to be moderately open world areas, I had a dream of it. It looked a lot like this.

What other good open city fms are there? Ones with a lot of freedom.

>>1841572
Disorientation is the ultimate city mission in my books. The city is enormous and highly non-linear, full of secret areas to find and rooftops to explore.

>>1840771

Good 'first level' for the game, but my personal favorite is absolutely First City Bank and Trust. In all honesty, I think that's the only mission in which you feel like the thief you're supposed to be.

>>1840771

That's what I loved so much about Theif. It felt like a legit city. Life of the Party was another good one like that.

>>1841602
There's a lot of missions where you do traditionally Theify stuff. The Tomb Robbing level, the few levels where you break into some rich guy's home, Casing the Joint and Masks, etc.

In thief2, i don't know which mission, where you enter a large house, there is a room where is a man and a woman inside. I swear i heard the man sweet talking to her, like "the stepwheel connects to the spring, the spring to the cogwheel ..." or something like this. But when i tried it next time, i didn't hear nothing. Anyone else?

>>1842446
Mech2: mc2a0ch2: (Prayerfully) The piston connected to the spiral valve, the spiral valve connected to the step gear, the step gear connected to the steam jack. O! hear, thee, the word of Karras!

>>1842584
>>1842446

Aha. Apparently it's one of the Mechanist idle sounds. It's not triggered by anything but a Mechanist entity muttering to himself.

>>1842236

Point, but you feel like a fucking THIEF! You break into a bank vault...nothing else compares to that moment(break into a rich guy's home = thug, strip ruins bare of valuables = tomb robber, break into a bank vault = I'M THE FUCKING BEST THIEF EVER!).

Just my opinion, though.

>>1842956
>break into a rich guy's home = thug
No. Burglar. Thugs mug people.

And yeah, I'd like more missions with security systems, loopholes and big scores. To be a heistman...

And to be thorough - muggers, burglars, pick pockets, grave robbers, and heistmen are all thieves. And Garrett is a master at all of it.

Hey bros. Just beat Thief and wanted to start Thief 2. Is there anything like tfix that adds 1080p resolutions? Also what mods should I be using for this one?

>>1843482
No mods.

And tafferpatcher for fixes, but I'm not sure what all it does.

>>1842956
I know what you're saying, but all you described is what a thief does. Garrett isn't a master thief for nothing.

>>1843040
Heart of Bohn is an excellent fan mission in which you have to steal the Mystic's Heart that's kept in a well protected museum. It feels very much like the bank in terms of badassness.

Does anyone else kind of like the swordfighting in thief? I mean it's not really designed to be good, but it kind of captures a swashbuckling, clumsy desperation or something that I really like.

>>1843935
I always thought it had more potential than anything. It is oddly satisfying when your swords clash together though. Shame it was straight removed fro t3 instead of improved upon....

>>1844708
>>1843935
>start with an arthurian knight swordfighting game
>realize your swordfighting isn't dynamic enough, and change into a game where the character is a bad fighter and fighting is best avoided
>keep the swordfighting nonetheless

And there you have it, a thief sim, with an incredibly detailed sword mechanic.

I spent the entire night roombrushing the whole cityscape. I need to catch some fucking sleep. That manor house was a pain in the ass especially.

Now the good thing is geometry is almost finished. Two manor interiors to make and a sewer junction and it's done. Scripting and patrol routes should be fairly quick to do.

>>1844820
so fucking awesome

I need to learn how to do this

>>1844820
Got lighting done?

>>1845270
Yeah, I light the map as I go. It looks like this in-game.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SToPd5gt1cg

>>1845308
Nice. Looks a lot better with the light. I like the relatively clear shadows.

It's annoying when people put a lot of colored light and shit in the maps. I can't tell where I can hide and where I can't. Sometimes a red shadow is visible sometimes not! Take the chance and see how you'll die this time. Makes me dislike otherwise decent maps.

>>1845396
I mostly use desaturated lights and let the textures to their work instead. I usually dislike colored lighting unless it's very subtle.

>>1845467
I just hate how people light their maps for beauty as opposed to functionality. Thief is a rare example of a game where you should detail around your lighting rather than use lighting to show detail...

>>1844820
Hey man, why are you not streaming anymore ?

>>1847167
The map takes a long time to portalize/compile so it's no very fun to sit around while nothing really happens. As soon as I'm done with geometry I could stream my patrol route process a tad but eh.

In other news Thief 2 HD was released today and it is much, much more faithful to the base game than Thief Gold HD was to Thief Gold. It's ot very surprising since most of the textures come from the hi-res canon texture pack project over at TTLG. It still has some jarring textures but overall it is by far better than Thief Gold HD.

>>1847293
>much more faithful to the base game than Thief Gold HD
That's good to hear.

>>1847592

finished thief gold and want to start some fan missions

is there any order or should I just dive into the ones I find on TTLG forums

>>1848525
Here's a chart with some very good ones. Pagan flower for Thief Gold and gear for Thief 2. >>1808669

Thief 1 and 2 confirmed for true 10/10 perfect games without mods. With a few mods, and very small unofficial bugfixes, these are truly the best games of all time.

>>1844820
Room brushing was my least favorite part of building fan missions. Lighting was always my favorite. Portalizing and optimizing was a precarious thing because of how unstable dromed can be.

Shit man I haven't worked with dromed in over 10 years but now I want to start again.

In cregscleft, there's a brightly lit room with a hammerite priest and novice, with some loot in between them.

How the hell is it possible to get that loot?
Room is too brightly lit to sneak, and you don't get flash bombs until Assassins.

Not sure how you'd do it ghosting. Would it be possibly to lure them out by making some oise?

You might also be able to lean foward and grab it. Sometimes you can do that.

>>1848662
Yeah roombrushing is tedious and it's worse when you have octogonal towers above streets and shit. Still, roombrushing the mission took me only a night so it's alright by me. I keep adding shit everywhere (rooms, one-way routes and other stuff) but I'm really almost done with geometry, it should be finished in a few hours.

Also you should totally pick up DromEd again, NewDark made it significantly less unstable. It's still pretty rudimentary but it works better now. When I made my first mission I kept hitting these scene complexity errors that would make it crash. Reaching those now is almost impossible unless you really really want it.

>>1848852
If you want to ghost properly you have to either rely on luck so the novice faces the wall, or wait 10 hours so he and the priest slowly drift against the walls (I'm not joking). Or you can use flashbombs or make some noise.

>>1848948
>Or you can use flashbombs

You don't get flash bombs yet.

>>1848948
>rudimentary

That's what makes it so great. It's like a simple 8 color paint set that people make works of art with. Some of the fan missions completely outshine the real game. T2X was incredible.

wud u a viktoria

>>1849460
hu woodent

>>1849690
>>1849460
I'd fertilize her soil

Then I'd really hammer her for being a heretic in the eyes of The Master Builder.

>>1849707
I'd stick my penis in her vagina.

What the shit happened? Last time I was on 4chan Thief threads (usually) died in 10-20 responses or less (though there were the odd threads that hit bump limit). They weren't that popular on /vr/ either. I leave for a few months and now I'm seeing a 250 post Thief thread? Is this another one of those odd threads?

>>1849801
I kinda hope not. We could do with a good long lasting thief thread every now and then...

>>1849029
T2x had a few great missions for sure, but its story was pretty men to bad IMO.
And the 3d cut scenes were hard to .watch At least the ones with people in them. The briefing scenes were cool

>>1849801
Maybe the reboot got people interested in the old series? They on Steam and gog now, dunno if they were during the time you're talking about.

>>1850561
They've been on Steam and gog for a while now, but I do recall an explosion of Thief threads around the time Thi4f released.

>>1845308
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SToPd5gt1cg
Looks superb dude. I have nothing but respect for the Thief community, some really dedicated and skilled creators in there.

>>1849892
T2X has some issues, writing isn't great and there are certainly lots of spots where the hobbyist nature shows through, but damn, it's still a serious piece of work. I mean the effort to make T2X is basically as much as it was for LGS to make T2 after T1. It's one of the few examples I can think of where a community put out something equal in substance to what would have been an honest-to-god sequel on store shelves.

>>1849801
A lot of people got interested in Thief again when 4 came out. How many of these people are actual fans of the original series, I'm not sure, but probably not too many of them. I am a fan of the original series, and I used to make Thief threads on /v/ back in the day that'd be largely ignored. Now Thief is circlejerked to hell but it doesn't really bother me.

>>1850689
Thanks. I've finally put the last terrain brush just now. 5700, not too bad considering my last mission had around 3800. That one is just much bigger, much more open and more detailed with many places to visit and raid. Praise the Builder for NewDark, I wouldn't have been able to make this mission otherwise.

Thief 3 crashes every time I run it, Steam and Gog versions. Advice?

>>1851282
Don't play Thief 3. It's shit.

But is it crashing like in the menu or while you're in the game? I had a couple of crashes first hour of the game then none since. I guess it helped that I was in the quicksave constantly habit from Thief 1 & 2.

>>1851238
What was the name of your last mission?

>>1850674
It was mostly just bitching about how shitty the new thief was.

Hopefully it at least got more people interested in the old'ns.

>>1850693
Yeah man, not shitting on them at all. It just could've used a better, less predictable plot really. The levels were at least thief 1 quality, and oftentimes thief 2 or better - gameplay wise.

Also the main characters voice actor should've emoted more and characterized less... If that makes sense. Still fun. Still played through to the end. And that train level is the shit. Made it worth it on it's own.

>>1851465
I liked it. Not as good as 1 or 2, but still had a ton of fun with it.

Someone needs to remake the in-game rendered cutscenes though. They're pretty shite. Worst part imo.

>>1851507
Between These Dark Walls, the person who made the chart included it (along with Shadow Politics, even if that one is meh in comparison, especially when you compare it to my upcoming mission). Here's an top view shot of the map in the editor.

>>1852014
Your FMs have any voice acting (hopefully not any poor garrett impersonations, but good garrett impersonations are worthwhile)

>>1852075
My upcoming mission features some voice acting for the person you're going to rob, but not for Garrett. The voice set is pretty cool too, the character being pretty vicious.

>>1852112
Neat. None of the others?

I haven't played many FMs, but the voice acting always ruins it for me - at least when they over-act, or do a poor Garrett impersonation... You figure there'd be at least one good VO artist in the community willing to help everyone out.

>>1852014
I literally just finished playing this level!

I'm >>1848525 and this was the first FM I ever played so I feel a bit spoiled since it was really amazing. I just picked it randomly, too, from that chart (well, not randomly because it said rooftops and I love those). Just checked the loot list and I missed a couple hundred in loot but still did fairly well. I loved all the hidden and hard-to-reach places like the Hammerite basement and the thief's room. Great style and atmosphere.

can't wait to play some more of your work

looks sick!!

>>1852014
Playing this now. Is there a reason why you picked T1 instead of T2? This might be an annoying question; I've been playing FMs for years but can't remember if there are simple reasons why someone would map for one vs. the other. Different texture set maybe?

>>1852267
Nope, the others don't have any voice acting. I wanted to have some for the Keepers in Between but it would've been too much work, and the voices in TDS are not very good imo.

>>1852362
Thanks! That FM (and the one I'm working on right now) have been heavily inspired by several FMs including Disorientation, which I consider to be by far the best Thief 2 FM.

>>1852387
I prefer the grittier and darker style of Thief 1 and the vibrant colors of its textures, that is sadly lost when you transfer them over to Thief 2.

>>1844820
Here's what this area looks like in game. Putting all these falling raindrops takes a while but I have around 65% of the mission covered. I doubt toasters will be able to run that map considering it has thousands of polys in view in a couple of areas and all these particles.

>>1853363
that is beautiful

are this is with only NewDark, right? Or are there new textures / texture pack you are using?

>>1854638
Thanks. I'm just using custom textures coupled with vanilla textures and objects and tried to mesh them coherently so they look like they could belong in the base game. I don't like these HD packs as they have little thought for coherence, texture combinations or alignment and I recommend people who play my missions to disable them entirely.

>>1854784
I think your level looks pretty good with some higher res textures (though mine aren't really "HD"... Texel density is only 4x)

>>1854931
I'm mostly referring to stuff like Thief Gold HD that just throws together a bunch of random hi-res textures and calls it a day, but I like yours.

>>1853363

fog + rain is great. The lighting there is perfect -- makes me want to dash for a dark alley or onto a rooftop.

I wouldn't worry about toasters. It's 2014 -- go all out if you can

>>1854784
Just started your level btw. Good so far.

>>1854956
Ah, you have these blank curtains! Somehow Thief likes to erase the texture for these or something. Do you have any texture/object packs installed besides your own?

>>1854942
Thanks! If all goes according to plan it should be released before the end of the month. The stuff I need to do is cake.

>>1854964
Nope. Using NewDarks loader.

>>1854956
download link when?
also my captcha is a fucking cat

i wonder if the voice actor for Garret speaks to himself in character like that all the time about mundane daily tasks.

>>1852014
>>1852387
Just finished on Expert. Great map, nice dense and twisty layout. I think I finished with around 3300 loot so there was quite a bit I missed.

I think you have a good eye for lighting and clean, good-looking architecture, a lot of missions have "nice" and "rough" areas but this one was consistent throughout.

>>1855213
For what? The textures or the level?

Did you type out "a fucking cat"? any other answer is wrong.

>>1855275
both look nice, if you'd be so kind to spoonfeed

I tried "meme cat" but that was wrong and I got a boring number

>>1855275
The level name is posted... Here >>1852014.

>>1855287
>>1855281
oops. misquote.

>>1855287
oh, I thought that the other anon was playing the level that the *other* anon was giving updates for
thanks, though!

Hello, taffers. I was just listening to this song and it hit me that it seems like the kind of song that would fit perfectly in one of Thief Gold's levels. Tell me what you think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bea7uLr8pHg

>>1856469
>doesn't start with the rumble

Can't be a thief track without the rumble, man.

>>1856469
>>1856576

Thief had an amazing soundtrack given how easy it would've been to screw up and do something less atmospheric/ambient than what it was. It's great because it blends in effortlessly

>>1857130
I never noticed it had a soundtrack, really. Aside from the cutscenes.

>>1857360

>>1857473
Not him but to be honest the soundtrack is mostly made of short looping sounds combined called schemas, and you can combine up to three schemas to create an ambience, so the possibilities are quite huge.

>>1856576
I've been playing this game for years and the meaning of that sound has always eluded me. It sounds amazing and badass but I have no idea what it's supposed to be. I just call hit keehit since the file is called keehit_s (or something similar).

>>1857830
>mostly made of short looping sounds
This was more or less my point. It's like the most ambient thing you could do. Noticed there was a soundtrack, but I couldn't hum any of them. Except the 'csh csh cshkuh kak kak" in the Thieves Guild...

>>1858065
it's supposed to ambient and atmospheric.

this isn't a pop album.

>>1858104
I know. I never once said this was a bad thing.

Hell, pop albums are made out of short looping sounds, it's just worked into the environment in Thief.

>>1858172
Yeah, it's something that you probably don't even notice until you play a FM that doesn't put any music in at all.

>>1808669
I'm playing Mystic Gems: Heart of Bohn now. Man, this is a big-ass museum. Great looking mission, fun stuff so far.

I have a request though. Can anyone recommend fan missions that are more on the challenging side even if you don't ghost? I'm not a huge ghosting fan and I feel most FMs are a little easy, OMs like First City Bank and Trust sometimes have lots of tile and robots and cameras and few "free knockout" shadow locations. Good FMs I have played with this style are Hidden Agenda and Conspiracies in the Dark. Either that, or a mission where ghosting is enforced would be nice, like the police station in Thief 2.

>>1861218
Seven Shades of Mercury. It's gigantic, there's a lot of guards that are unblackjackable (even ungassable), and the early part of the mission is really intense because you don't have any equipment yet.

>>1861814
I've heard the name many times over the years, but never tried this one out. Will do, thanks.

Is Shadows of the Metal Age worth checking out?

>>1861926
For the missions themselves, yeah. Don't expect a lot from the main plot. Though the atmosphere and lore behind the missions is pretty ace.

>>1861926
Some of the voice acting is a little amateur, so expect some of that cheesy "well, it's a mod" feeling, but it's really nice to play an entire campaign with new briefings, cutscenes, VAs, conversations and scripted events in the levels, etc. It feels like a legit sequel, not just a level pack using the same stuff from the original game.

I wouldn't say any of the missions are the absolute best the community has to offer, but it's a solid campaign and many of them are quite good.

>>1807315

http://deepnight.net/games/beneath-the-city/

>>1861218
Mission X is super difficult and highly recommended. The Shadow of Doubt series can be ridiculously hard as well.

>>1861926
It's an amazing piece of work, sometimes topping Thief 2.

Phew, I've finally have a test version ready for this mission here >>1853363
Hopefully nothing's broken so I can release it before the end of the month! I just successfully collected all the loot while ghosting and it took me 1h45, and that's with knowing the mission by heart.

>>1862247
Always wondered, how fun can it be, playing your own mission? I would imagine not very exciting. Also, aren't there some volunteer testers at the mapping community?

>>1862465
Playing your own mission isn't very satisfying especially when you're sick of working on it. Yeah there are testers there, I already have a bunch, but everyone's welcome (I have made a thread on TTLG).

>>1862571
I get the opposite in Doom levels. I love playing my maps because they're made specifically to my tastes. In thief though I can see how it'd be a lot less interesting. Half of thief is exploration and all...

Is there more detailed thief timeline floating around? Or just a history synopsis? Curious, so I can find some way to make sourced textures like pic related fit into thief lore better. I have a version where I changed the block in the dudes hand on the right into a hammer, but that's too easy. I'd like to represent specifics in some textures if possible.

>>1863037
I'd suggest putting a hammer on the book and making one of the animals bare their teeth to represent the trickster

>>1863136
I kinda made the animals look a little more uneasy, but I'll probably go with your idea.

Still curious for more lore though for specific events.

>>1864276
You could throw some glyphs in there somewhere. They're mostly a Keeper thing, but sometimes the Pagans use them and the Hammers supposedly used them in the distant past. Dunno if the Precursors have anything to do with them.

It doesn't have to be like outright slapping it on there--could even be really subtle, like shifting some leaves or roots or bricks around to form a glyph.

Replaying Thief missions and looking back at 1998, one of the coolest thing about the engine was the detailed object placement. Loot could be nestled in cracks, leaning up against a flowerpot, or tucked away between two books. The feeling I get from Thief where hidden stuff is actually hidden, often in a realistic way, is something I really miss in modern games. It's a far cry from glowing highlights, map markers, and popup text. And before anyone says "pfft, that was crap, it was basically 3D pixel hunting" Thief usually only got really sneaky when it was secret or unnecessary stuff, which (surprise) is another thing games barely do anymore.

>>1865168
Yeah. Games seem to be less about real exploration now and more about spoonfeeding a story through cutscenes or blatant exposition... Unreal had a lot of unnecessary bits and bobs to find as well that made the world feel more fleshed out. Even if it made less sense, like finding a bunch of rocket ammo in a church urn.

>>1865208
>like finding a bunch of rocket ammo in a church urn
>he doesnt know about the holy hand grenade

>>1865258
I was sure that was used in the 6th century to blow up a rabbit...

This thread has no business being so old and so alive
I like it.

>>1866618
don't die on me now, thread

>>1868632
>>1866618
sorry man, I got nothing to contribute.

Playing FMs for the first time (for original Thief).

I've started Calendra's Cistern.
>an intro movie!
>voice acting is actually kinda good
>there's an in-game shop where you can buy supplies
fuck this is awesome

why are Thief fans so talented and amazing

>>1868632
If it does we'll just make another one.

I'd post more 4x texel density textures, but I'm working on a few difficult ones and have had too much other work outside it to contribute...

Mapperbro? You here? Save the thread, man. Or any other OC creators out there.

>>1870534
I'm still here but nothing out of the ordinary to report, beta-testing goes pretty well so far with most major bugs already squished. One of my testers took more than 2hrs and a half to finish the mission with 3/4th of the loot. I've added 2-3 more objectives across the city including a hidden, bonus one. Here's what the objective screen on Expert looks like.

>>1870553
how easy it to get into mapping? I have UDK experience and still activiely map for Doom.

>>1870601
It's rather easy but DromEd (the editor) is old and a bit primitive. You can do lots of scripting shit with it but it's knd of obscure, and in terms of geometry there is no vertex manipulation at all.

>>1870553
You really like wardens, don't you ?

>>1871108
I love the criminal underworld in Thief and find it underdeveloped in TMA and TDS.
My (eventual) next mission will be undead-heavy though.

>>1871275
Why not both?

>>1871313
ZOMBIE CRIMINALS?

>>1861218
>OMs like First City Bank and Trust sometimes have lots of tile and robots and cameras and few "free knockout" shadow locations

I've been trying ghost runs, or at least no knockouts, on the OMs and although you said you're not into ghosting I agree with you

they have more metal and robots and tougher setups in general I feel like

i know there are tough FMs out there but most of the popular and polished ones are on the easier side

>>1871323
ZOMVICTS

>>1872773
CRIMBIES

>>1871275
>>1871313
>>1871323
>>1872773
>>1872791
Why not have Zombie Garret lead a zombie raid on the living and steal stuff while trying not to be caught in the crossfire

>>1873197
GARRHAUNT?

I'm replaying Thief 2 and I just learned that in Blackmail, it opens up a secret if you use a water arrow to clean up the mead that Benny spilled on the rug. I don't usually look up 100% walkthroughs even for games I've finished, so sometimes they keep surprising me.

Also, I resisted ghosting for a long time, but man, it's actually a lot of fun. Really makes you appreciate the guard patrol layouts and distribution of keys and locked doors more.

>>1874717
I didn't know that... I should replay Thief 2.

>>1816284
god fucking dammit am i the only one who cannot stop laughing at this
>that overhead jump swing by the mechanist
>the way the haunt just fucking rapid taps them both back and forth with the hammer
>the robot runs by in between the two mechanics as they fall over and gets chased by the haunt

>>1874830
lolling my balls off at it :)

>>1874717
ok when I'm done with a few more thief FM I am moving onto Thief 2.

All I have left for baffords is the hard stuff, and one stone texture. Bookshelf is taking a while. Any book title suggestions? I titled one "on burricks", anyway.

>>1875378
"Annals of the City" could work
"The Many Tricks of the Trickster"?
Don't the hammers have a holy book? If the shelf isn't used anywhere but places that are presumably following the hammerites, then the title of that could work, but I don't remember it. I think it was in Thief 3.

>>1875467
Not sure if lord bafford is too into the hammerites himself... But rich people often have religious texts for historical reasons, or just to look well read... So it should fit.

>>1876012
Considering Bafford's captain, Cedric, speaks in Pagan-ish gibberish I'd say he wouldn't really be into the Hammerites. Ramirez on the other hand has Hammerite banners and sometimes yells "Builder's gold!"

>>1876161
Yeh. I can't really differentiate between the two. Any religious bits that end up in one or the other could just be historical relics anyhow...

>>1875378
"On Shalebridge Cradle, or: Debunking the Popular Myths of Grey Ladies and Ghosts."

>>1876176
I can't fit something that long. I had to shorten "Many Tricks of the Trickster" to just "Tricks of the Trickster" and it still barely fit on decent sized book. so 22-24ish characters long, tops to be legible (though I don't want the words to stand out too much anyway).

>>1876252
It'd be funny if you made that numbered book series be the harry potter series

>>1876252
Ah, I had assumed you were talking about front covers for some reason. In that case, would "Mythical Creatures" work?

>>1876506
Yeh. Anything about that length. I'm only going to be putting a few titles in. Don't want it to get clustered up.
>>1876394
That's... No.

>>1876252
>13245687

dude bafford get your shit together

I know you're doing a texture pack and not a mission or something, but having a code on a numbered series of books like this would be pretty cool.

>>1876674
It would be... It'd be easy enough to edit the image if anyone wanted to though. I made this one 8x texel density instead of 4x, so the books didn't look like blurry messes.

does anyone have a picture of the the door from the second floor of constantines mansion with the face behind it?

I've been looking for it on google and I can't find it.

>>1876821
Just the texture?
I'm looking forward to it myself.

>>1876821
Took this for you

>>1877149
Did anyone else follow your sparring partner into his little room during the tutorial and subject him to violent sword abuse? That sound he makes when you hit him is hilarious.

>Hit him in the dick with my sword
>UUURGH! *doubles over*
>Slap him on the ass while his butt is sticking out
>*crunch* AAAARRGGH!

>>1877186
Play on expert, Grab the key. Follow him in. Play basketball. Read the secret credits.

Fire Shadows scare the pants off of me.

Having an enemy who bum rushes only to disappear is freaky.

Just bought Deadly Shadows today.
Does it even matter how fast you're moving or what surface you're walking on as long as you're crouching down? From what I can tell, crouching basically 100% silences your footsteps, and that's really disappointing.

>>1879131
Yes, it does. Moving too quickly on some surfaces alerts guards, and even creeping (slowest form of movement in the game) alerts guards on the infamous metal and marble surfaces

>>1879131
Depends on difficulty and shit.

The gameplay in T3 actually isn't too far off from the other 2... It's not perfect, and the character models look like dick balls... But it's pretty close.

>>1879413
>>1879131
>Deadly Shadows
>I totally thought he was talking about The Dark Project
I can't read well today
In Deadly Shadows, no, I don't recall anywhere where it alerts guards other than when you walk on grating, since marble is pretty much gone from the game.
Thief 3 is regarded as mechanically the worst in the series, though. I recommend pirating, nobody from Looking Glass is going to get the money anyway Thief The Dark Project or the updated version: Thief Gold

>>1878973
>Playing with that shit skin.

>>1879857
you can tell by the filename that I found that image somewhere, anon. calm down.

>>1879252
That's wrong. Crouch-walking is 100% silent in Deadly Shadows. It did not retain the deadly marble n' metal "clacks and clanks of doom" from T1 and T2. Surfaces still matter but crouch-walking will get you through anything just fine.

>>1880536
>>1879521
Blah sorry, I was in such a rush to correct you that I didn't see that you already caught it yourself.

>>1880539
>>1880536
>>1879252
>>1879413
>>1879131
In any case you should be playing with non official patches anyway. Unless you're playing on xbox I suppose.

Hey guys, how the fuck do I make Thief 2 multiplayer work on modern machines?
I know it doesn't work with NewDark, and I find if baffling considering NewDark is still being updated, and I'm pretty sure who made T2MP released the source code
Anyway, how would I go about making it work from a fresh steam install?

>>1880843
I dunno. It's been a long time since I've done it. Once you get it set up though, I'd just zip up the folder as T2MP or whatever and just use that forever.

>>1880843
I really don't know, but I do know that the Thievery mod for UT is a very mechanically faithful multiplayer port. You also might try DarkMod for the Doom3 engine.

bump

>>1884036
I wouldn't worry about bumps until we're page 6ing (though I dunno how far down we were, just figured it was worth mentioning since people tend to over-bump on this board for how slow it is)

>>1884092
me were on page 10, man.

>>1884092
You're on Page 1 as I type this, don't worry

>>1884117
Yeah, I just wanted to make sure it was well known...

>Eight old men up in a tower
>Eight old men, only one with power
>Turn away from the hand with the sword
>count seven and find your reward

Is this difficult or am I retarded? I'm in the room with all the stones but nothing in here resembles a hand with a sword.

>>1884314
Screenshot of room?

>>1884325

Nevermind. I figured it out.

The riddle is a cryptic way of saying "turn left, touch the seventh stone".

>>1822119
Perfect Dark did this too on top of increasing enemy damage and decreasing yours. It's the only other game I know of that does this.

>Beat the bonehoard on expert
>50 points short on loot
>I'll never know what item I missed

This triggers my autism. Fuck that level was huge.

I'm so glad I didn't give up on this game at the Hammerite prison. Nobody told me there were zombies in the game. I thought I was playing Robin Hood Simulator 1998 up until that point and I was so shaken upon encountering them that I couldn't get past the mines for a week. Then I found the fount of holy water and gibbed them all like some kind of undead holocaust. I killed every last one of those fuckers for all the terror they caused me. It was cathartic. By the time I got to bone hoard I was desensitized enough to at least generate a fight-or-flight response instead of quietly shitting in place. I still go into PANIC.jpg whenever I see one though.

I'm now on the fourth level where you return to the manor. It's pretty cozy in comparison, which is a good thing because my nerves need a break. I'm so glad to be hiding from guards instead of zombies that I haven't even killed any of them.

>>1884335
>>1884314

That's the riddle from the end of Mage Towers.
Yeah that riddle isn't very good, you can also identify the correct talisman by not knocking out the two mages in the room, and watching them. They stop and look at the real talisman and just walk past all the others.

>>1885216
I'm guessing what you missed was probably the silver nugget on a shallow ledge that's a little above your height i think, in the wall that's in the room with the "spiral" staircase that goes down into water, where all the zombies are. It's resting inside a large decorative inset in the wall, you have to look up a little, I think, to see it. It's easy to miss.

>>1881637
Can you rob the First City Bank and Trust in Thievery? Play fan missions?
I really can't imagine why isn't the community busting their heads over making this work, it would be an amazing multiplayer experience

>>1886651
Probably because Thief fans don't want to bother with learning how to make maps for UT
Once Thief 2 multiplayer is finished with NewDark/FM support, oh me oh my, it will be a treat

>>1885281
You'll like the second game then. There's no zombies at all, and only a couple of Haunts in the whole game. They basically had a totally different level design philosophy in the second game.

>>1886137
>They stop and look at the real talisman
What tricky shit they put in these games...

>>1886695
Is there anyone actually working on it, though?

>>1887579
NewDark just got an update 2 weeks ago or so. No one knows what the dev is actually working on though, so we can only hope they're pulling some MP code from SS2 and working on a Thief version. I imagine that's a pretty hefty undertaking though.

Anyway. A man can dream.

Ships sinking!

By the way, any good ship FMs?

>>1877149
>texture is like 2 pixels vertically misaligned
ow, my autism

>>1852267
https://soundcloud.com/stephanosrex/in-which-rex-was-a-dirty-taffer

>>1889382
Damn decent. Something is slightly off, but I think it's just the cadence or something. bretty gud. 6/8 m8, no h8. Any examples of doing typical garrett lines? "Since I'm in here I might as well pick up something for my self"

>>1889406
I think it's mainly my having a younger voice.

https://soundcloud.com/stephanosrex/more-garretting

>>1889454
Still a damn sight better than the typical FM quality. You ought to post on the TTLG forums. Garrett it up.

I'm not sure it's a younger voice that's the issue for a perfect (or near as you can get) impersonation. I think you just need to emote more naturally is all. Instead of "Ive ALways equated FEElings to getting CAUght" maybe just "I've always equated FEElings to getting caught..."

But I'm not a vocal coach or anything. Just something to think about maybe.

>>1889509

No, you're right, my delivery's all off. I was more focused on voice matching than the delivery- I've never tried recording anything for Garrett before.

>>1887056
It's all in the details, when it comes to Thief.

>>1889523
I think Garrett's voice has a little more hoarseness and strain, like a sense of weariness. There's more emotion in it.

>>1889523
Well don't get discouraged. I'd still say it's easily the best impersonation I've heard yet.

>>1889454
>https://soundcloud.com/stephanosrex/more-garretting

damn that is good. I think this anon >>1889704
is right about how to improve it. Mass respect, though -- I couldn't pull off anything close my voice sounds nothing like Garrett :'(

>>1889523
You should see if mapperbro needs any internal dialogue done for his upcoming map...

Yeah... That'd be cool.

>>1889868
>>1889745
>>1890365

Thanks guys. I actually do VO work professionally, and I've always had a boner for Thief.

I wanted to make the offer to resident mapperbros before I started poking around the rest of the community.

Holy shit, OP here, this thread, a THIEF thread, lasted a WHOLE GODDAMN MONTH
Beer for everybody, this is a proud accomplishment indeed!
Here's Teddy Roosevelt shooting a bear for some reason

>>1889454
An important thing to remember about Stephen Russel is that he's very... breath-y?
Take a close listen to his voicework in thief, he exhales a ton of air after speaking.

>>1892050
>just noticed this is bigfoot and not a bear
live and learn

>>1892050

>Teddy Roosevelt as the second coming of the Builder
>Fighting off nature with technology
>And waving his symbol in the air

...That makes sense in a freaky way, OP.

>Edison would have made more sense, though

>>1891093
Unfortunately I think we just have the one mapperbro. I'm too lazy to get into it it myself ( and also too busy )

>>1892116
Roosevelt was a staunch conservationist

>>1893143
>Hammer's done us good... why betray the hammer now?
Teddy's a bro

Have we hit the bump limit? What to do we do?

>>1896075
>410 is the bump limit

fucking taffer

>>1896285
Aaaaaaaaaand that was the last bump
It was pretty gr8 while it lasted, new thread is here javascript:quote('1897775');

>>1897776
I fucked up
I fucked up
I fucked up
I fucked up
I'll just hard-link it >>1897775

>>1897780
>>1897776
wtf
just go to the next thread