/vr/ - Retro Games

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NEWS
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-Doom 4 reveal! Well, kinda. Only those dudes who were actually at Quakecon got to see it firsthand, but here's a basic rundown of what happened there. It might not be terrible! http://pastebin.com/W8P7fdq3

-hobomaster22 is making a mod manager for Doom in the vein of Quake Injector, and has built-in /idgames support! It's pretty neat, give it a look. http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doom-general/69346-doom-frontend-development-beta/

-Here's a cool online radio that only plays Doom music, 24/7; feel free to listen if you're interested http://liquiddoom.net/doom

-Some anons did a 200 min. speedmap WAD and this is the result! http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=17781 COMPLETELY VANILLA, tell us what you think!

-Wanna see John Romero deathmatching in 2014? Do you live in England? He will be present at Revival '14 on August 9, see more details here http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1283115; for reference, this happened at GDC http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXkipPv0b4KMKE7z3WwlYYUCDLACNoYfE..

-Metroid Dreadnought IS OUT! - http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4561&pid=61847#pid61847

-The Space Pirate got an update! Check the latest ver. here! https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxbbtKR5bll_anFPaVhUQVZqcnM/edit?usp=sharing And be sure to check this tutorial http://youtu.be/mrFF8LCZw5Y [Embed]

-HDoom has its 5th techdemo! happy now? http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=m12-hdoom-techdemo5.pk3

Mods that also got updated (these links include their respective download links for each mod, by the way)

Doom RPG (not the mobile game) - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33292
Hideous Destructor - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=12973
Pirate Doom - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=32674
DoomRL Arsenal - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=37044
GMOTA - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=742401

ATTENTION! If you know about something news-worthy PLEASE reply to this so everyone can see it

Favorite WADs?

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?file=levels/doom/d-f/execute.zip

>>1788054
Arsdoom
Doomguy's pimp ventures II: The More,The Merrier.
Doomguy's pimp ventures III: Cybie Dreams
Doomguy's pimp ventures 3.5: Moar Futa
PAMELA ANDERSON in DOOM
Vanessa the killer bitch
AOL Girls Museum
X-RATED.WAD
Xmanga3

Why were there so many deleted posts

Just curiosity, feel free to shoot it down as stupid, Doom on the occulus.

>>1788052
>[Embed] [Embed]

Don't worry, it's cool

>>1788062

gif reminds me of T-1000's death sequence

Terminator 2 wad when

>>1788087

GZ3DOOM does that actually

TEST YOUR MIGHT
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?random

>>1788087
Already exists.
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=37659

>>1788054
For gameplay mods:
Project MSX
GMOTA
Samsara
Brutal Doom SE
Ambivalent about Accessories to Murder.

For maps:
Deus Vult 2. It's just so great.
Scythe 2.

>>1788062
That's surprisingly creepy compared to the rest of the video.

>>1788075
>Because I was there when he did.

sooo that means were getting just one side of this situation. okay, glad to clear things up.

this shall be my last post for tonight. next time lets be more cautious and get both sides of the story, maybe both of you can sort things out; for the better of our threads, dont you think?

>>1788094
>Ambivalent about Accessories to Murder.

care to develop? i mean, i though i was the only one with mixed feelings about AtM but i would like to hear another persons thoughts about wild weasels mod

>>1788054
Gameplay mods:
>hideous destructor
>ww-doomnukem
>ww-nazis
>samsara
>beautiful doom
>buttpain

Mapsets:
>btsx
>vanguard
>unloved
>hellbound
>uacultra

>>1788104

There's not really much to sort out.
He isn't here and has quit seemingly out of the blue, so we'll have to have someone else use a consistent trip so that "generals don't belong on /vr/" people can be happy and filter us.
!!5 was doing so for the past few threads but I guess now this guy wants to do so?

>>1788104
Not the same guy, but concerning accessories to murder:

Cant stand the dual pistols thing. It just looks and plays awkward, so everytime i DL it, i have to comment out the pistol drop from the zimbabweman.

FLYING REVENANTS
FLYING REVENANTS
FLYING REVENANTS

>>1788104
>i would like to hear another persons thoughts about wild weasels mod

Not him but i don't really like it. It's just not my thing.

>Too many hitscan weapons
>Click click click click to shoot
>Whenever you fire a weapon it's like you've stepped into a cloud with all the "gas" effects
>zombies in streetclothes without headsets sound like Combine zombies talking over a radio

DoomNukem's sprites are great though

>>1788123
>Click click click click to shoot
>Any mod that does this
I will edit that shit manually, it's unacceptable considering how much you have to shoot in Doom.

I also don't like that the rockets go in a spiral.

>>1788080
That happens literally every thread. Leave this one on auto-update until someone makes a new thread, press F5, and watch as anywhere between 50 and 200 posts magically disappear.

>>1788123
>>1788128
>be currently making a mod that's click click click to shoot
o-oh
um
s-sorry

>>1788130
why

>>1788134
Stop that shit nigga, or at least give the gun a full auto mode.

Sometimes it can kind of fit, if the gun doesn't have much rounds in the first place.
Like say.. A Revolver.

But that revolver better having a fanning mode.

>>1788123
>>1788128

>mfw I'm gonna be making it click click click to sword for Blaz, and click click click to shoot one of the arm cannon's firing modes

WARM UP THOSE TRIGGER FINGERS, KNAVES

>>1788134
I like click-click shooting.

Without it, you end up with hand guns that shoot slow and unintutively.

>>1788138
Heh. AtM does that.
>>1788123
>>Click click click click to shoot
I don't quite remember but wasn't the pistol the only one that does this?

>>1788150
The shotguns do it too, but it makes sense considering how the SxS shotgun works in that mod...

>>1788141
>Gmota
Pretty fun.

>>1788150
>Heh. AtM does that.
Exactly why I bring it up.

The reason people would be shooting nonstop is because they need to get a lot of bullets out, possibly regardless of accuracy.

Shotguns that need to be clicked per shot? Awful.
Shotguns that need to be clicked per pump too? Fuck that, editing.

>>1788141
Click to shoot is okay because you can hold to charge.

Click to combo is okay if you have more than one combo and timing matters otherwise it's not particularly necessary.

The sword should hurt more too if it's no longer hold to swing.

>>1788158

I will TRY to give a few different combos, and the sword's gonna get a makeover, using the swooshy sounds from the DnD arcade game and it's gonna hit harder, and only combos/charge attacks will use stamina, meaning you'll be able to swipe with your blade and keep the subweapons coming

So are there any mods that just replace monster sprites, Id love a hellknight that's more than a baron recolor

>>1788130
>>1788136

it's kind of weird because this wasn't usual at all; yes, we had our usual stack of 20 shitposts around the same time every day but that doesn't compare to what we've been having for the past two weeks or so.

what worries me the most is that no-one seems to care about stopping this, all they do is just sit back and either

>backseat moderate till no end
or
>just laugh with contempt as if they weren't related to our threads at all

>>1788112
Don't miss out on skillsaw's other mapset lunatic. Just as good or better than vanguard imo.

>>1788183
>what worries me the most is that no-one seems to care about stopping this

I care. But there's quite simply nothing to do.
We can't exactly tell people "s-s-stop shitting up our thread!", and directly engaging them is just feeding their desire for attention.

>>1788187
>We can't exactly tell people "s-s-stop shitting up our thread!", and directly engaging them is just feeding their desire for attention.

exactly. we shouldn't do that and we should switch the conversation to ANYTHING else while making no reference about it, right?

now, straight up, do we actually do it?

>>1788168
It doesn't need a lot of combos, but the idea is that you need more payoff for every time you click so that way you can click less often.

Because if the combos felt weak or unnecessary there isn't going to be a reason to hold the button.

A good example is X-Weapons.

X-Weapons has shitty pistols, but they're all click to shoot.
So it doesn't feel good to click that shit.

>>1788187
>>1788183
maybe if the mods would do their job and not get to deleting stuff hours later, seriously stuff stays up all day and its till 5 or 6 at night that stuff get dealt with, these mods are incompetent and lazy

>>1788196
I mean tap the button, god damn.

My bad.

>>1788219
Don't support that bullshit.

>>1788219

Which monsters from Hex and other games would you transplant into doom?

>>1788158
> Shotguns that need to be clicked per pump too?

Reminds me of hideous destructor, where not only do you have to manually cycle the shotguns action, but the mod author simulates short stroking too.

Now thats a mod i can stand behind.

>>1788221
posted this in the wrong thread...

>>1788246
There was another mod that did that, gunmod I think.
It's fucking annoying. I can somewhat stand it in the rare occasion I play HD because things die faster and stuff, but fuck mods that do this to vanilla doom.

>>1788252

The deleted post stuff is probably 1-2 people getting banned and /vr/'s moderator always choosing the 'delete all his posts' option.

>>1788261
Yep. I liked the messages tho.

What Doom mod has the best revolver?

>>1788268
cool haha

>>1788249
>>1788221
>Who knows if the game will get anywhere

I think this will be the case and it will materialize. I'm so glad I'm eating my words about this just being yet another "ideas guy" project from the ZDF.

>>1788267

>/vr/'s moderator

mods are global

>>1788252
Im just amazed someone actually simulated short stroking.
Not even "realistic" tac-shooters like stalker or swat4 do that shit. Its just really cool to see it innagame when not even most people on /k/ consider it when discussing shotguns.

As for it existing with vanilla physics though: hell no. Ill admit i like click-click shooting, but simulating operator error and jams with vanilla physics would just be retarded.

...Hold on, something's wrong here.

>>1788289
We daggerfall nao?

>>1788289

>picked up a >clip

Oh fuck you

>>1788289
>>1788295
A guy made a mod specifically to change just that.

>>1788279
Just because mods are capable of operating on any board doesn't mean they don't have favorites. Compare /a/ and /v/.

Sergeant_Mark_IV, If you are listening,
could you please get rid of that gay high pitched whistle noise the shotgun makes when fired in v19?

Listening to it repeatedly really hurts

Thank you

>>1788314
You can change the sound manually.

Or you can use BDSE and have the sounds replaced already.

>>1788314

Isn't that just the ricochet off the walls?

>>1788328
Oh this, I'm looking forward to seeing what they do to V20

Help

>>1788270
>>1788270
>>1788270
>>1788270
>>1788270

>>1788362
There really isn't any good revolvers in Doom mods.

So Accessories to Murder wins it by default.
Fortunately it also happens to be a really good revolver.

>>1788365

What we need is a slick as hell revolver with a stylish pistol whipping attack, fanning-fire if you mash the fire button and infinite reloads

All this revolver talk got me wondering, has there been ANY word at all on Trailblazer?

>>1788362
There's that one mod where you play as a cowboy, it's a deathmatch mod.

Also, there's nazis. That's a good one. It has great weapons period.

>TNT Evilution
>Brutal Doom
>MAP 09: Stronghold

Nope. Fuck this. Back to playing WADs I have actual fun with.

>>1788389
What happened?

>>1788391
On Full Ultra-Violence the place is just chock full of Shotgunners, Chaingunners and Imps, all huddled in relatively small spaces, with hardly any med packs around for this sort of enemy spam.

It's just not fun for me right now.

>>1788396
No chance for corner-camping the hell out of the enemies? Then again, Brutal Doom upped the damage the player takes too, so I can see why hitscan shitstorms would be utter hell - especially in TNT or Plutonia.

>>1788396
if you have it, the RL altfire should help, as it has an huge splash
or maybe the mancubus armcanon? (in flamer mode)

or, you can maybe try using these dodge rolls...

>>1788404
But hitscan is gone in BD, everything is projectile, albiet bullets are extra fast projectiles

>>1788389
>>1788391
>>1788396
>>1788404

UV-max (5:19)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73_d_swEnDU

Truth be told, this doesn't look like it's your generic "trial and error" map. So, acquire proficiency.

What the fuck is GMOTA? Why does pressing reload with the sword cause to power up, but sometimes it just powers down as soon as I try to attack with it? How come sometimes when I press the subweapon button I get a shitty version of the subweapon, and other times I get a really high powered version out of nowhere?

What the fuck is going on. I know it's supposed to be based on the bars on the bottom right but I don't get it.

>>1788428
Dark blue bar = Regular sword shit
Light blue bar = Powered Sword shit
Red bar = Arm cannon shit

No bar = No doing shit

>>1788428
Beat shit up with your sword to get more blue mana (the light blue bar). Shoot shit with the arm cannon for red mana. Rage (dark blue bar) builds whenever you're just holding the sword, and also when some subweapons strike a target. Reload engages powered mode, which makes both weapons much more powerful but consumes red/blue mana. Using subweapons in powered mode will result in a Castlevania-style item crash, but if you don't have enough mana you'll just throw the normal projectile.

>>1788406
>dodge roll

Not in V19.

How do you cum in HDoom?

>>1788439
I was wondering about that, I liked it, made the enemies just a bit smarter

>>1788442
Let the animation play all the way through.

>>1788439
oh, maybe you need a mutator for them now, but i'm pretty sure they still exist
(or is it just in BDSE?)

>>1788443
yeah, enemy rolls were pretty neat

>>1788447
They're so fucking long though.

>>1788428

I really need to make a "HOW TO PLAY" set of pages. A lot of that shit isn't very clear.

My bad, I'm not a HUD maker.

>>1788453
Don't worry about it I'm sure I'm just retarded.

>>1788121
BRAVELY DOOMFAULT:
FLYING REVENANT

>>1788464

No, shit's pretty vague.

Also I need a new icon for the red mana bar, seeing as it's not a wand anymore

>>1788453
I didn't think GMOTA was so complicated that it needed a guide.

Part of why it's fun is in it's simplicity.

>>1788481

a lot of people don't know about the reload and zoom buttons though.

Alright, finished Stronghold. Still feels a bit amateurish putting so many bullet enemies packed in close quarters.

>>1788104
Perhaps having his #vr chanop status removed made him think he is no longer welcome there, and by extension, in the threads? Who knows, but I was surprised Eric acted so quickly to remove all his flags.

>>1788121
Someone needs to make a DOOM edit of this now.

>>1788453
A unique hud would be cool, maybe something with a mediveal flair to it

>>1788502
Some sort of helmet visor sight maybe?

>>1788502
>>1788505

The kicker is each character is going to have a unique HUD, I like Blaz's Magic sword + GnG influences, Kuros is gonna get one ripped straight from Wizards and Warriors, and Samson is gonna get one with potions and flasks as life meters and mana pools and shit

>>1788442
>>1788447
>>1788450

Hit Use.

>>1788508
Wait there are more characters? I must have been a slowpoke all along, I thought it was just Blaz, on another note I feel like there should be more High quality HUD mods then what we have

>>1788183
lax moderation regarding doom4 discussion attracts outsiders and off-topic discussion. if the "not retro" rule was actually enforced there wouldn't be a problem.

>>1788516
If I do that he just gives up.

>>1788517

I'm planning on two more characters in the future, Kuros will be up next, ripped straight from Wizards and Warriors with a bit of battletoads mixed in, he's going to wield the only hitscan weapon in the mod along with a fucking mighty boot so mighty even Duke would be envious

Mix that in with the soundtrack from Battletoads and Double dragon (NES version)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH1l8KrloLY

>>1788516
That ends the animation.

>>1788303
link pls
my inner /k/unt cant handle assault clips

Guys Im stuck

How do I defeat the cyberdemon?

>>1788572
kill it until it shoots

>Hell Beneath on Ultraviolence

Well, fuck this shit

>>1788572
shoot at it until it dies

>>1788572
Lern ta straef an git gud

I just thought of a joke for HDoom some walls liked with girls, just sort of growing from the wall, that way doom guy has a reason to be humping the walls

>>1788603
just randomly fuck one of the faces in the walls. I think i'd be down for that

>>1788572
Strafe around it and then shoot at it. You could use a pillar as cover. I beat all of Doom today and I've never played it. But god knows how many hours I clocked on Doom II as a kid, so that could have helped

>>1788572
Grab the BK444 and shoot it in the head.

Wait, wrong game.

>>1788572

You have to aim at the right nipple with the chaingun at shoot four times without moving.

>>1788572
You have to disable his firewall and upload a virus

Can I talk about Doom 4 in here? Or should I go to /v/ for that?

>>1788572
You have to use the chainsaw to cut off his good leg.

>>1788632
Well there's not much to talk about with the lack of a gameplay trailer.

>>1788632
are you excited to rip arms off of scientists and use their palm prints?
you can talk about it here

A thought just occured to me, has anyone ever thought to replace doomguys hud face with a recreation of the version from the comic, with the dark hair and stubble and such?

>>1788632

It's the latest entry in a retro franchise, so yes.

>>1788638
>Old school mechanics are back. No reloading clips, weapon limits, or regenerating health. Ammo and health kits are in pickup form once more.
Well I just saw this from the impression thread. I knew there would be no weapon limits or regenerating health. But no reloading mechanic is kinda surprising.

>>1788632
No, it's not retro.

>>1788638
>>1788647
no, it's attracting too many posters from other boards who aren't used to /vr/'s more respectful posting style and who constantly start arguments, post memes, and make shit-posts by the ream.

>>1788572
let the lost souls do the work for you

(demo: t2m8-357 by beginner)

>>1788669
Why are there so many around the map, anyway. Are they the cyberdemon's previous victims?

>>1788669
Some men just want to watch Cyberdemons burn.

>>1788572
just run beneath him and grab the ax

>>1788681
To fuck you when you use the rocket launcher.

>>1788572
Look for the flashy, seizure inducing sweetspot on his ass.
Shoot it

>>1788696
Is cyberdemon based on clay model? Just like some other doom enemies?

>>1788669

>death by ass-biting

>>1788716
Better than death by dick-biting.

>>1788718
But the Cyberdemon doesn't have a-
... no wonder he has his big rocket cannon. Probably shoots the Lost Souls with it all day long.

Speaking of cyberdemon, what do you guys think about doom 4 cyberdemon?

>>1788726
From what little we (people who haven't gone to Quakecon), it looks cool, but incredibly... difficult to animate for gameplay if they're gonna go for highly-detailed textures.

>>1788726
Cant see shit captain.
I will wait and see

>>1788726
I'm glad it's completely upright unlike 3's with its frontward placed head and humped back.

is it possible to run doom64 wad on a source port like gzdoom or do you need doom64ex

>>1788732
It is not possible in the slightest.

>>1788732

Sorry, mate, unless someone makes a full Doom 64 TC (not happening), you're stuck with 64 EX.

From what I read in impression thread, Doom 4's action will be pretty good. But what I'm wondering is about level design. Was Rage's level design any good?

>>1788746
No modern id game has good level design.
I don't think it's particularly in-mind with the new Doom. Although it wants to honor the original, you still gotta remember that it's a reboot so granted it's going to have a different flow.

Finger's crossed for mod support and classic Doom maps are made.

>>1788751
Id hasn't had good level design outside of multiplayer since Quake 1.

>>1788751
>Finger's crossed for mod support and classic Doom maps are made.
Reminds me of that Doom 3 mod that had all Levels from the first Episode. The remade music was also pretty nice
>Captcha

Welp, looks like all Doom 4 related posts are deleted by mod.

Anyway, back to retro. Is making custom Doom levels easy?(compared to other engines like source)

>>1788751
Every id game has had mod support and bethesda games are known for their mods, i think its safe to say there will be mod support

>>1788796
But making doom 4 mod would be much more difficult. Because of megatextures and many other id tech 5 features...

Wait a minute, Doom 4 is based on id tech 6? Not the one used in Rage?

>>1788801
its id tech 6 so its not the same as rage

id has always had a way to make modding easy though but not sure about id tech 5

>>1788807
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Tech_6
>It would work by raycasting the geometry represented by voxels (instead of triangles) stored in an octree.

Hmm, voxels? Interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re0A23CSvpw

Post your favorite doom tune

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5KVMnS9zgY

Why are /vr/ doom threads so popular?

>>1788823
Doom is the best

I don't know why, but I always had a feeling that Doom, Wolfenstein 3D, and other retro FPS are some kind of 'real-time dungeon crawler with guns'. Maybe because of its non-linear level design.

>>1788823
best video game of all time, huge mod community

>>1788823
Mods. Probably one of the most active modding communities ever. Notice how people are barely talking about the base game itself?

>>1788828
>>1788826
>>1788824

Welp, I admire your passion.
Carry on fellas.

I'm going to go lay down and remember when I still loved vidya ;_;

>>1788825
Wolfenstein maybe, doom 1 to some extend doom 2 definitely not

>>1788830

You can still love it anon, join us.

Recommend some good gameplay mods to me, /vr/

(project msx doesnt work on my pc)

>>1788825
Probably because iD was full of D&D nerds.

>>1788823
The dying Doom generals on /vg/ migrated to /vr/ shortly after its inception and moot's been fine with them ever since, so Doom has been on this board since day one and will likely stay. I like to think that these and /vr/ gauntlet threads have played a part in making /vr/ survive its trial as well.

As for /doom/'s popularity, it's a mix of reasons

>Brutal Doom going viral in and reviving interest in Doom 1/2 and being a gateway to other neat mods
>/vr/ being responsible for a fair share of original content such as Samsara, pol.wad, and HDoom, possibly outdoing /v/-related projects and rivaling some other generals; in other words shit gets done
>Gets more /v/irgins and /vr/etards into Doom
>Also makes them realize that the modding community has survived over 20 years of entire game franchises and a subpar sequel
>Most modern shooters are shit
>It's motherfucking Doom

Newfriend here, I want to play Doom on widescreen but with vanilla mechanics, what's the best source port for that?

>>1788852
ZDoom has software rendering, and you can disable mouselook up/down and opt to use autoaim.

>>1788854
Thanks.

>>1788848
>It's motherfucking Doom
That's all you really had to say, nigga

>>1788848
>Moot doesn't start his sentences with capitals.
I have lost all respect for him.

>>1788860
He does sometimes

Who would moot play in Samsara?

>>1788821
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQs48dvebck

Probably my favourite version of E1M1

Can gzDoom run Eternal Doom properly with compatibility settings/software renderer?

>>1788848
also, it's not much of a stretch that there are plenty of doom community members who also visit 4chan. even well before /vr/ was created you could spot people on doomworld that also went to 4chan, because they'd import 4chan catchphrases and image macros into their doomworld posts (you could do the same with doomworld posters who also went to Something Awful)

>>1788852
>I want to play Doom on widescreen but with vanilla mechanics, what's the best source port for that?
prboom-plus

>>1788878
those are some nasty ass colors on ammo and health

>>1788054
Mapsets:
>Memento Mori I&II
>Scythe I&II
>DTWID+D2TWID
>Hell Revealed
>Alien Vendetta
>Kama Sutra
>Icarus
>Eternal Doom
>Speed of Doom
>Plutonia 2
>Back to Saturn X
>Jenesis
>Reverie
>Interception
>Hellbound
>Hadephobia
>Marswar
>Sunder

Not really a gameplay mod person, but I do sometimes play with Brutal Doom SE if I'm in the mood.

>>1788881
i am used to boom's colour translation for status bar numbers, but if you don't like them, they can be turned off and you can have red numbers like usual.

i note that zdoom's althud does colour translation for numbers in a similar way.

>>1788821
>E2M1
>E2M8

The Shores of Hell had some good music overall.

I'm not a fan of how Doom 2's soundtrack is mostly ambient, though. MAP06, MAP09 and MAP20's soundtracks are pretty good though.

I should really get around to playing TNT & Plutonia

>>1788881
You can have that disabled.

>>1788881

im pretty sure you can turn that shit off in prboom. or you can stop being a faggot, ditch the widescreen bullshit, flashy gay shit and just use choclate doom.

>>1788852
Prboom-plus is the perfect port for that.

>>1788821
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVD2FsWixws

Also happens to be the soundfont I use.

>>1788396

>shotgunners
>chaingunners

what's the matter you dont like defcon 10 hitscans?

>>1788821
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DQ_GKYHuDU

underrated tune from Doom 2 IMO.

>>1788706

yes

>>1788793
>Is making custom Doom levels easy?(compared to other engines like source)

Doom mapping is the easiest FPS to create maps for. Plain and simple.

Hammer does not compare
UnrealEd does not compare

It's almost as simple as creating a building in Minecraft. THAT easy. No wonder why there was so many levels released around 95-98

>>1788927
my nigga

>>1788948
Making a room is as simple as dragging a few lines

Making good levels can be a bit of work but nothing like 3d fpses

>>1788948

What is the best program to use to make Doom levels in?

>>1788968
Doombuilder 2

>>1788396
>>1788389

I just wish they weren't so fucking accurate. They snipe you with a chaingun from miles away. It's the one thing I hate about BD.

>>1788982
They don't seem to hurt that much though.

To be honest in BD I put more stock into the danger of Zombiemen and Shotgunguys than Chaingunners.

Does anyone know how I can get HD textures to work on GZDoom for Mac?

I Downloaded the texture pack from freelanzer and upon double clicking the .pk3 file it launches GZDoom.
However, when I select up the Doom II wad there is no noticeable difference.

Im on Mac OS 10.6.8

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=773889#p773889

I wonder where did he got that picture

>>1788968
>>1788971
SLADE is another one. Arguably less user-friendly though.

So I don't know if this is a bug with Doom or not but I was just playing Brutal Doom and now I can't move after a level change. Was on E1M2, at the very end with the Imp in the pit, I hit him with the Mighty Boot as I hit the level switch. Upon entering E1M3 all of my movement controls are disabled. Noclip does nothing. I can do everything (jump/crouch/shoot) other than move.

Mark fix your shit mang.

>>1789024
When you do the kick it fiddles with your movement speed.
When you exited the level it turned that to your default speed.

You need to load a previous save.

Lots of mods can be fudged like this.
Like Project MSX.
Finishing a level with the shield booster in effect turns your shield into nearly invulnerable. And it won't reset until you pick up a Guard sphere.

>>1789024
I've never encountered such a problem, myself. Sorry I can't be of help.

>>1788995

Well the problem is you're on a Mac.

>>1789027
>When you do the kick it fiddles with your movement speed.
>When you exited the level it turned that to your default speed.

Ahh cheers for the info. I rarely use the melee anyway so probably just another reason not to use it.

>>1789032
The kicks are actually pretty useful, especially if you're jump kicking while berserk.

Is this pic real?

>>1789009

There was nothing stopping him from making a new game and profiting from it. Indeed there is still nothing stopping that.

>>1789056
Search the archive if you don't think it is.

>>1789056
>>1789009
is sergeant mark the creator of brutal doom?

>>1789062
Yep, just found it. Wtf.
>>1789065
Yes.

>>1789057
>>1789009

1. You cannot copyright broad gameplay ideas.
2. BD was always a mod for an existing game and as such could not be sold for profit without negotiations with the copyright owners.
3. There is nothing stopping BD mod makers to create a new game with a new trademark to sell for profit.
4. Sgt. Mark is a whiny bitch.

>>1789056

lol he even admits his "ORIGINAL IDEAS DO NOT STEAL" came from other games like Gears of War. He's also implying that since Brutal Doom exists no one can ever use any ideas even remotely similar to whats in the mod without having ripped off BD, despite the fact that it contains absolutely nothing that hasn't been done before (and done better) in other games released before BD. This is goddamn hilarious.

I had some weird Doom related dream about a level that suddenly gets clipping problems if you cheat and the music was fucked up. Sometime later there were doors that you could shoot. That's all I can remember from the dream.

>>1789080
Honestly, I thought he's gonna be happy about this. Think about it: Your MOD is so fucking popular even the devs got some of the ideas from it.

Not to mention he quoted id software staff's comment about brutal doom im the trailer.

Please could somebody tell me some good map WADs to play DoomRL Arsenal with? I'm looking for lots of nice big/challenging maps. Any other gameplay WADs would be cool too

>>1789090
I think he's unhappy because he'd rather have Doom stay to it's roots instead of following the footsteps of a mod, even if it's his own

My two cents.

>>1789091
My vote would be for stuff like Back to Saturn X, Jenesis or Hellbound. I think they all work nice with RLA.

Can anyone else not stand playing the original Doom anymore? The double barrel is just too dear to me, even if the level design in D1 is better.

>>1789098
Nah, Doom 1 is still fine in my book. I kinda prefer E1's style over most of Doom 2 anyway.

>>1789098
Its still fun, but yeah, the doom 2 weapons and monsters really complete the game

>>1789098

There might be a wad where you could use the SSG in Doom 1 I think. Also I love both games equally.

>>1789105
PSX Doom.
Puts Doom 2 monsters into Doom 1 as well.

>>1789082
>lol he even admits his "ORIGINAL IDEAS DO NOT STEAL" came from other games like Gears of War.

Oh yeah that too. BD mostly takes ideas from other games.

>might boot from Duke Nukem 3D
>invisible enemies with glowing eyes from Stalker

Actually Stalker has tons of nice ideas for devs to steal from.

>>1789109
Does that MOD have something to do with PSX version of Doom? Or...

>>1789116
Nevermind. I just read the details of PSX Doom.

>>1789116
PSX Doom TC is PSX Doom for PC.

Best of both worlds.

>>1789109
Is it worth playing?

>>1789112
>invisible enemies with glowing eyes from Stalker
I took that more as a nice reference to the invisibility powerup in Quake.

>>1789123
Yep.

>>1789124

There's a bloodsucker enemy from Stalker that does the same thing.

>>1789126
Quake is a... few years older. And more related to doom, so I find that more likely to be the inspiration.

Speaking of which, CTANKEP Doom when?

>>1788246
>simulates short stroking
As nice as it is to see that kind of attention to detail, Doomguy should be an experienced operator and should be in the habit to bring the pump-slide all the way back and all the way forward, I don't see him short-chucking a shotgun in any scenario.

>>1789143
My head canon says you don't play as Doomguy in Hideous Destructor.

Doomguy is larger than life.
I'd like to think the Hideous Destructor guy is a different survivor.

>>1789143
It only happens if you're a fuckup who doesn't hold the pump button for the duration of the animation.

Recommend me some TC's based on other popular movies/games

So I know that in Dino Doom I'll be implimenting a sickle claw kick, should it be a weapon slot, or a dedicated button, and should you be abled to keep moving mid kick, should it have a lunge or what?

>>1789057
>>1789062
>>1789065
>>1789069
>>1789080
>>1789082
>>1789112

What the fuck

>>1789192
I don't know anything about your project, so: Will there be weapons, or will you play a somewhat realistic raptor? If the latter, there should be different keys for lunging and stationary slash/kick.

>>1789195
oh boy i just missed something good

>>1788374
Last I talked with Pillowblaster, DoomNukem was not really into Doom at the moment. Granted, this is a bit of a loose quote, but it was definitely something having to do with being uninterested. There also isn't a clear, end goal with the mod, I think Pillow wants to do some more RUSSIAN OVERKILL OVERPOWERED stuff with it.

I don't know if anybody here cares about Guncaster, but I did a bunch of lines for it recently. Yay?

Yo, wat ur opinion on the brutal doom

>>1789232

>>1789207
Its more on the silly side with you as a member of a raptor civilisation, trying to avert extinction at the hands of hell, so there will be weapons, I'm still trying to learn the basics so ll probably be doing smaller things first but id still like to gauge ideas from those moore experienced

>>1788118
>He isn't here and has quit seemingly out of the blue
He's on the ZDoom forums, he made the jetpack revenants. He's probably just busy with other shit.

>>1789251
Start simple, work your way up.

If you try to go full blast right from the get go you risk losing motivation trying to figure out how shit's going to work.

What do i need to play this wad?:
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/The_Sky_May_Be

You can't just drag and drop it. It's an .exe file.

>>1789268
Okay then, what's recoomended start with small but related work? Or go with completely unrelated projects

>>1789268
>>1789283
>Start simple, work your way up
Words to live by. Just tackle everything one weapon at a time. There's nothing wrong with planning but it's easy to lose yourself in details.

>>1789278
http://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/The_Sky_May_Be

it is apparently a self-extracting RAR, rename it to something.rar and unpack it that way. read that link for the full story.

Anyone else think Imps look shitty?

They're way less detailed and less well drawn than most of the other enemies. Was there a model for Imps? I get the sense that there wasn't, and they just drew it in a drawing program. Which might explain why it looks so flat and lacking detail.

>>1789098
>Even if the level design in D1 is better.
>D1
>Not Containing Doom 2 Romero outside of E4
>Better Level Design

Anyone still play with just keyboard?

>>1789305
Thanks guys, I guess first Ill make an ancient civilization weapons pack or the like, and ease into bigger things from there

>>1789335

I do on my laptop. It puts the difficulty curve right back where it should be, considering that even UV is reasonably easy when using a mouse and keyboard.

what does doom call it when the fps cuts to an image on the screen? vanilla doom does this after boss fights and ive seen action doom do this mid level, several times. i think strife and pirate doom use this too for story telling.

it seems you should be able to trigger a switch to pull up one of these images

>>1789358
i don't think it calls it anything. finale screen, maybe.

Is making Doom level over and over gonna improve my level design skill? Especially non-linear one. I'm interested in level desgin and wanna start practice with something easy to learn it.

Are there custom wads for doom64?

>>1789365
...yes? tons of people in the industry got started making doom maps

>>1789093

That's what we thought at first too - but then he made it pretty clear that it was because he wasn't getting credit/royalties for ideas that he himself took from other popular games.

>>1789368
speaking of which, didn't one of the level designers for Bioshock do a Doom version of one of the Bioshock levels?

>>1789376
Yup, JP LeBreton. He made Doom version of Arcadia.

http://vectorpoem.com/arcadia/

>>1789384
He also wrote Classic Doom's design analysis article after this: http://vectorpoem.com/news/?p=74

>>1789098

Play Samsara, then you can get the double-barrel in Doom 1.

Do you guys play with texture filtering and/or scaling?

>>1789402
No, plz god no
Texture filtering is the ugliest thing there is

>>1789402
>Texture filtering in a game with 2D graphics

>>1789402

Nope.
I think it makes the sprites look ugly as sin.

>>1789402
Only anisotropic. Everything else is absolutely disgusting.

>>1789328
There wasn't.

>>1789402
>filtering
>not smearing lard over the screen for a nice fullscreen blur

>>1789367
pls respond

vote

http://strawpoll.me/2162731/

>>1789440
Those are all different mod categories though what is this going to do.

>>1789440
>one of it is 'ur mum'
You know how this is gonna end don't you

So what should the Cyberdemon do with his free hand? It always felt like it could do things but never did

Hey GMOTA Guy, someone (I would assume from here) posted about your shit in this comment thread on Kotaku:
http://kotaku.com/i-think-its-worth-your-time-to-check-out-a-post-made-by-1608314346

>>1789453
Mastrubate?

>>1789456
>http://kotaku.com/i-think-its-worth-your-time-to-check-out-a-post-made-by-1608314346
Oh hey, TSP mention! How sweet! :)

>>1789361
>>1789358
The most common term I've seen are "intermission screens" because Doom 2 uses them between "episodes"

There's a war going on outside /
You can either find a place to hide or start riding /
Never the victim with my hands in the sky /
When it's hammer time racks will slide / Leviathan

>>1789328
I wouldn't say "shitty" but I know what you mean. I always thought they looked a bit cartoony.

>>1789462

Damn that girl is fucked in the head.

>>1789458
>>1789456
pastebin for those who don't want to go to kotaku
http://pastebin.com/0VY94WPq

>>1789459
>>1789361

theyre called slideshows in Strife but i cant figure out any technical details.

>>1788054

qstylezx for gameplay.

Doesn't have a lot of popularity though.

>>1788054
REELism

Anyone else see it?

>>1789459
intermission screens are the kills/items/secrets/time screen you get between levels. finale screens, which i thought the original post was talking about, are the text screens / image of deimos / bunny scroller / etc.etc.

i call them finale screens because the source file that handles them is named f_finale.c. intermission screens are in wi_stuff.c.

Here's a silly idea, you play a character armed with some manner of magic that turns normal demons into their HDoom counterparts, could be edited to a non lewd version as well, just tossing it out there

>>1789490
I always missed the final screens and the little you are here blurbs from Doom when playing doom 2

>>1789487
See what? I've bever seen this game before if that's what you mean

>>1789487

They all look very disappointed in you, anon.

>>1789487
the space marine in the top right corner looks like he is playing guitar

...?

>>1789492
Should be some manner of magical girl, maybe styled a bit after a DnD or Final Fantasy cleric/white mage, over idealistic and making it work

>>1789497
>>1789495
The guy on the left. His face, his face is unoriginal.

>>1789503
>>1789492
Nah man, it should be a succubus bent on usurping and running hell her way, her way just happens to be more fun for everyone involved

>>1789475
http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=mustard_seeds

>>1789504

Yeah, he looks like a generic protagonist.

>>1789402
>tfw someone plays a mod that your sprites are featured in, stuff you worked on pixel-by-pixel
>they have texture filtering on

>>1789505
>>1789503
That sounds like the makings of a Buddy Cop story

>>1789509

>>1789492
>Midnight Bliss Doom

>>1789557
Dammit, if I were more skilled Id make it myself

>>1789440

>ur mum closely tied with Doom RPG

>>1789604

To be fair, she's a really pleasant lady.

>>1789607
Who is? Doom RPG?

>>1789487
Yeah, I see it.

>>1788868
Anyone?

>>1788864
corvus
he wants to be the little elf
>pic
moot goes to reddit too
i find it funny

>>1788362
Late as fuck reply but check the materba from wildweasel's wwhc-diaz mod. Sound and general feel is fantastic.

>>1788868
What is Eternal Doom?

>>1789681
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Eternal_Doom

>>1788868

Eternal Doom is a vanilla wad isn't it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tb0TsV2VEY

I miss weird mods like this, someone them had neat music too

>>1789686
Yeah, but I've read that it takes advantage of a lot of vanilla rendering bugs for its visuals, as well as breakable walls that don't always work in modern ports, and I wouldn't necessarily know what to look for, especially if that stuff doesn't show up until later in the game. I don't have a problem playing in Chocodoom or DOSbox or whatever for the level set itself, but I can't play gameplay mods that way. I just wanted to know if anyone was familiar enough with the wad to know how it handled in gzDoom with compatibility/software rendering.

>>1789456
Fairly sure that was a comment on reddit too.

What doom mod has the best melee gameplay?

>>1789769
TSP maybe?
I kinda have a soft spot for the chainsaw from LOS, where you can get an instant kill with pinkies if you have the timing right

>>1789769

Currently GMOTA and Space Pirate win by default, but I'm working on one now so hopefully there'll be another option.
The big question is trying to keep guns to adhere to Doom's ranged gameplay, while making sure they don't overshadow the melee.

>>1789487
>Scifi RPG
>Character that resembles the chaingunner
>Two dudes and a chick
>Made by Ion Storm and published by Eidos

Is this some kind of beta of Daikatana?

>>1788948
>No wonder why there was so many levels released around 95-98

It was actually significantly harder back in the day to map compared to now. Doombuilder 2 is much better than anything they had then. Just saying.

Any good .wads with female player characters?

>>1789865
Diaz and space pirate. I'd throw my own wad in there, but you said "good", heh

>>1789517
He looks pretty handsome.

>>1789865

Metrood

>>1789896
>>1789879
Second question, is there any demand for more?

>>1789885
"Dr. Betruger? I'm UAC."

>>1789905
Terminus is making one.

>>1789905

I like girls, so I'm generally all in favor of 'em.
Generally speaking, though, the gender of your character shouldn't matter one single whit. In the end it's just "has a penis" or "has tits".

Or if you're feeling /d/, both.

>>1789865
You can look for rsl's mods (example" "That Amazing Space Amazon").

>>1789916
Ill save that idea for another project but for now its just a matter of which pronounds the text scrolls will use

>>1789905
depends on what type of theme you're going for. I picked female for my mod just because I wanted a female lead, not due to any sort of demand. I just make things I want to play.

>>1789927
>for now its just a matter of which pronounds the text scrolls will use

Obviously it should be xhe/xim/xer/xhyself/xhem

>>1789091
Doom 2 Reloaded.

Shit's fun yo

>>1789927
>>1789935
I GO BY LIZ LIZARD LIZARDSELF AND LIZEM IF YOU DON'T INCLUDE THESE I WILL CRY AND CUT MYSELF

>>1788448
BDSE is the one with all the new and restored features. The RL doesn't have a secondary in regular Brutal Doom.

>>1789458
I like how everyone in the comments doesn't give a single fuck about the article.

>>1789487
>Arachnotron
>Chaingunner dude
>Guy in the left has doomguy's face
>Ion Storm
>

>>1789098
I want a Doom 2 The Way Doom 1 Did. Keep the new shit from Doom 2, but with Doom 1's sensibilities in level design.

Made something for you guys
http://www.myinstants.com/instant/agitating-skeleton/

>>1789726
I played through it about 6-7 years ago on GZDoom, didn't run into any problems (except for figuring out the cryptic puzzles.

>>1789943
>I think the appeal of Brutal Doom over all those other mods you linked to is that Brutal Doom takes Doom and makes it *even more like Doom*. It's an amplified version of all the characteristics that are already in the original Doom games.

Anons, please tell me how bad an idea it would be to make an account just to tell this guy he's wrong.
Because God knows it's a bad idea but I'm having a very hard time resisting.

>>1789962

The only thing it amplifies is the gore.

>>1789962
do-it.wad

>>1789487
>>1789950
I saw that too.

>>1789928
I'm getting a Killing Time vibe from that screenshot. I really dig that old-timey-special-agent-with-leather-gloves thing.

>>1789905
There's not a lack of demand, it's just that no one here really cares much about what gender the player in an FPS is. As long as they shoot things fine, we'll play as them.

You shouldn't make a female character just to make a female character (it's not special anymore), you should make a female character if you feel that the story works better with one.

>>1789962
I read that one too, there are a few more like that. Didn't want to post them here because people get upset though.

>>1789969
Well it does make a few weapons and power ups more versitile and some of the enemies smarter, cacos dodging was a pretty fun feature

>>1789809
Better.

Seriously, if you faggots haven't played Anachronox, go do it.

>>1789976
That's a valid point I do admit in this case its not essential so much as it feels right.

>>1788150
>>1788138
>But that revolver better having a fanning mode.
>fanning the hammer
Is this the fucking old west? Any modern hand-ejector revolver would be capable of being fired in double-action, being faster and a fair bit more accurate, shit, that was becoming common by the early 1900's.

If you're gonna have a revolver, have holding the trigger down firing the gun rapidly in double-action, and if you let go of the trigger after firing, the player cocks the hammer of the gun, allowing an instant shot that's more accurate.

Only single-action revolvers can be fanned anyway.

>>1790016

Hi, /k/!

>>1789974
Killing time was actually one of the reasons I wanted her to have those gloves. I always liked the look of them in that game. Good eye.

>>1788175
Not really, but you can do it yourself if you want. You can replace them with Hell Warriors or Satyrs from R667

>>1789328
They were made very early on in the game's development.

>>1789961
Right on. I've just read that it uses weird rendering bugs that won't show up in openGL, and I wasn't sure if the software renderer etc. would recreate them.

>>1790031

I wish there was some way to replay killing time... maybe higher res and with some proper mouse controls. That game was actually pretty damn fun.

Also played the 3DO version. Very different (more like a wolfenstein clone) but also pretty fun in it's own right. The FMV enemies are a fun gimmick...

twitter.com/DuvalMagic/status/490730477469192192

>true story. Romero wins this round 50 - 33
>romero duels in a 50 frags limit

dayum

>>1789136
>CTANKEP Doom when?

I'm WAITING, Russia...

>>1790016
Seems fairly sensible. You'd have to make sure the player can't just mash M1 to rapidly fire accurate shots.

who has the wad of this? as well as the video of the dude pissing in the ballpit

>>1788887
Get prjdoom.wad

>>1790072
You know how some mods have recoil?
Just make the view shift a little bit in the same way when the hammer is being cocked, just slightly.

Or maybe have alt-fire cock the hammer.

>>1789956
>Doom 2 The Way Doom 1 Did

In that case I think you meant to say "Doom II The Way Romero Would've Done It", which arguably would be THE way most people would've wished every single HoE reimaginating WAD to be

>>1790080

Source (with no actual link) has been pointed out twice but people just don't want to ask the guy about it

However, an alternative exists http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=46316

>>1790080
h tea tea pee colon slash slash www dot filedropper dot com slash dashcon

>>1790094

> Doom II the way team Doom 1 would've done it

Sounds like an amazing project. I'd play it !

>>1790064
his hair is the source of his power

>>1789136
I actually seen the theme on some forum about STALKER Doom mod, Zandronum or Zdoom.

>>1790102

...which is...the exact file from the ZDF link I posted >>1790094

>>1790125
yeah, and?

>>1789456

>More and more people are starting to take notice of this stuff

NO PRESSURE OR ANYTHING. SHIT.

>>1788572
Destro the heart first.

hey what are some edits you've always wanted to do to a monster?

>>1788995
Extract it as zip into the folder with GZDoom. Also enable hi-res textures in GZDoom settings.

>>1790197
Everything needs more dicks

>>1789123
Definitely.

>>1790197
I've always wanted to make a Godzilla-sized Revenant boss the player would fight against from an office building's rooftop.

>>1790212
will they be female dicks?

>>1790197
replace the Cyberdemon's other hand witha giant mace ball, and give it some more tech looking bits in the right places

>>1790228

>>1790080
Map idea - Battling demons in a giant ball pit, each ball is a sprite and can be moved, shot around, and bounced.

>>1790270
>each ball is a sprite and can be moved

ZDoom would bend itself.

>>1790080

Check your privilege first m8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWhSqo5RXg8

What do you think about Open GL Renderers and Doom? Does it really fit? It does look a lot more colorful, but I do miss that Doom lighting.

So, why do people hate Knee-deep in ZDoom?

>>1790287
I like them because of the true lightning and 3d.
I don't use texture filtering though, I think it looks pretty bland.

>>1790197
A 'smart' zombieman variant who dives for cover, peeks around corners to shoot, and has a "running laterally across your vision while shooting" animation to use travelling between hiding spots (with his body facing in the direction he's moving instead of attempting an awful and ridiculous strafe animation like many FPSes did).

I don't like "rival doomguy" monsters because frankly the movespeed looks really fucking silly, but I WOULD like a tactical enemy or even boss who makes use of good AI and not just raw firepower to be threatening.

>>1790308
so Z-Sec for classic Doom?

Gimme a combo:

Smooth Doom
Project MSX
GMOTA
Samsara (and a hero)

with

Memento Mori (any)
Scythe 2
Alien Vendetta
Stargate
Back to Saturn X

Thanks in advance guys!

>>1790314

Project MSX and Back to Saturn X

Or P.MSX and Scythe 1

>>1790317
Won Scythe 1 yesterday.
>Project MSX and Back to Saturn X
Will do.

>>1790228
>>1790262
/d/oom

>>1789456
>Originally, Brutal Doom started off as a mod for another doom mod known as "Beautiful Doom"

Brutal Doom originally started as a testing ground for ArmageDoom. The base gore used in the early versions was taken from Doom Reinforced (which the creator, Revilution, always supported me, and allowed to use his stuff, and I always credited him, and yes, you can personally ask him about this). The few assets taken from Beautiful Doom didn't lasted more than a few months.

Whoever this guy are, and if you are reading this post: If you wan't to talk shit about me, you should at the very least try to get your facts together.

Any word of how Hdoom is going?

>>1790346
Burnt Black people for v21?

>>1790270
Heretic had those balls made of moss or some shit you could move around, shoot at and they would fucking explode.

>>1790358
kekked


unrelated: what is the best soundfont to use for Doom? Currently using fluidsynth but I'm open to ideas.

What's the source?

>>1790364
the Megaman X one look it up on your own

>>1790310
>>1790308
Already exists, check R667.

>>1790317
>Alt hud on so you get more shit on your HUD than you're supposed to
Damn it guy who made this picture

I want mod that add variety to bestiary. Like 50 types of new monsters.
Please.

>>1790381
AEOD

>>1790346
Hey mark, any chance for a link of that Alien thing? Pretty please?

>>1790378

I took this before I knew about disabling the alt hud and before I realized you can turn off sprite filtering

>>1790346
>I didn't steal it from this one source, I stole it from a BUNCH of sources! take THAt, nerds!

>>1790383

>>1790384
It's barely working. Are you sure? Don't you want to wait for an actual release?

>>1790394
I never stole anything. The credits were always there.
>implying I care about soccer