/vr/ - Retro Games

Dodonpachi Daioujou > Dodonpachi > Dodonpachi Bee Storm.

>>1789661
Counter Arguments:

Streets of Rage
Rolling Thunder
Contra (I like The Alien wars the least out of the first three games)

also

>Sonuc
>3 > 1 > 2
>1 > 2

Nope.avi

>>1789661
>Sonic 1 better than 2
>Caring about Tomb Raider

>>1789673
>Sonic
>1 > 2
I dunno, I definitely agree with that.

>>1789661
>Return of the Jedi superior than Empire Strikes Back and A New Hope

Now you fucked up nigga.

>Crash Bandicoot
>1 being better than 2
>3 being the best of them
Damn, that's some really flawed logic

>Doom 3 > Doom 1 > Doom 2

yeah no

Quran > old testament > new testament

>Terminator
>Robocop
>Back to the Future
>Matrix
>Star Wars
>Alien

>Rayman
Nope.
>Gradius
Nope.
>Crash Bandicoot
Nope.
>Ghosts 'n Goblins/Ghouls 'n Ghosts
Nope.
>Mega Man
Nope.
>Resident Evil
Nope.
>House of the Dead
Nope.

>>1789665
DDP ain't a trilogy. Also Donpachi was the only decent one.

>>1789739
>Donpachi was the only decent one
I think those skinny jeans are cutting off the circulation to your brain, hipster.

counter argument:

Donkey Kong Country

dkc 1 = dkc 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dkc 3

>>1789739
>DDP ain't a trilogy
Neither are most of the things OP mentioned, so I think everyone just ignored that.

Also, not that guy, but that's retarded. DoDonPachi is much better than DonPachi.

>>1789661

>Tomb Raider 3

Yeah no sorry.

>>1789661
>Being autistic enough to believe in a so-called "law of trilogy."

>>1789673
Also, Contra III was better than the two NES (and arcade) games in every way possible.

>>1789759
Maybe he's upset that he can't just pick up the spread gun and instantly win the game?

>>1789753
>Also, not that guy, but that's retarded. DoDonPachi is much better than DonPachi.

No it's not, unless you think having four filler stages before things get interesting is good game design.

DP is all about fast and small bullets, DDP invented that bullshit faggy danmaku sub-genre. Also DP feels more Toaplan-esque than its sequels.

>>1789759
>that guy who cries "autism" when he has no counterarguments

>>1789763
>Toaplan
>good

>danmaku
>faggy

Casual detected, preparing to release tactical anti-casual Christmas tree missiles.

New Law: 4 > Every other entry.

>Super Castlevania IV
>Mega Man 4
>Rocky IV

>>1789774
>Touhoufag
>calling others casuals
thanks for the chortle, mate

>>1789778
>implying anything after the original Crash/Spyro trilogy was even remotely good

>>1789763
>DP feels more Toaplan-esque than its sequels
Yeah, it feels sort of like a not as good Batsugun.
Meanwhile DoDonPachi is busy building a subgenre and being an improvement over its predecessor in every way.

>>1789783
vwwwwww, PCHWWWWWWwwwwww!
*fires master spark, drains your life bar in one hit*
*flies to the top of the screen and collects all the points*

Heh... Didn't even break a sweat.

>>1789778
>both MM4 and Rocky 4 involve russians

that's fucking weird

>>1789767
>That guy who cries "autism" when he has no idea what autism is.

>>1789778
Rocky IV is great fun but the first one will always be da best.

>>1789778
>Castlevania II and Super Castlevania IV
>better than Castlevania and Castlevania III
I seriously hope you aren't implying this.

>>1789789
Probably intentional. They both contain some variation of the line, "I'm gonna break you", and they both star a Rocky.

>>1789767
What counterargument is there to have when something like a so-called "law of trilogy" is already a goddamn subjective "law" to begin with.

>>1789798
>and they both star a Rocky.
I chuckled, good one.

>>1789759
and hard corps is better than 3

>>1789661

Tron Bonne wanted Megaman's Megadick all throughout Legends.

But she's a fuckin' beta so she never went and tried to get Megacock.

And so the "OP is a fag" Law continues to be correct.

>>1789665
Daioujou is crap, cave went to shit at the turn of the millenium. Espgaluda is crap, everything they make is crap

>>1789673
actually its
Sonic 2>Sonic 1>Sonic CD

>>1789661
OP, you dun goofed. Maybe MML3 would have been best in the series, but none of those others listed were.

Good thing SMW shit all over the previous games. #3 was vastly overrated.

Why are there always faggots trying to make up patterns, rules, and cycles for things?

>>1789661
>>Tomb Raider
I politely disagree. 2 may have had bullshit difficulty and not the same feel, but the overall level design and engine improvements puts it miles ahead of the first one.

>>1790484
Human nature.

It's honestly the only thing that seperates us from other animals; our ability to tease out trends/patterns from our observation and then go a step further to apply logic/reason to it in attempt to answer why that may or may not be so. Whereas other animals generally only live in the moment and cannot do anymore than observe and act/not act.

Protip: Why never bears any relevance or significance except in our own minds, and often the answer is based on false pretense anyway. Lol @ humanity.

Mega Man X2
Metal Slug X
Kirby's Dream Land 2

>>1789661
>implying SMB2 isn't a fucking fantastic game that easily surpassed SMB1

>>1789661
Sonic itself, Streets of Rage, Mega Man, Donkey Kong Country, Dragon Quest, Phantasy Star, Lufia, Chrono, Ogre Battle Saga, Shining Force and I'm sure countless others all beg to diagree.

that's dumb, OP
2 being the best in a trilogy applies to so many more series, retro or no

silent hill
donkey kong country
pokemon
syphon filter
resident evil
timesplitters
doom
golden axe
mega man
lufia
halo
the sims

>>1790904
>Silent Hill 2 better than Silent Hill 3

>>1789689
Same. Actually I liked the first game the best of all the Genesis Sonics. It wasn't just about pushing forward like an autist. It actually had the tightest platforming.

I know how that's kinda counter-intuitive for Sonic 'gotta go fast' in a way, but coming from a more Nintendo-y background I just preferred the first games more thoughtful platforming segments gnome saiyan?

I always thought the Law of the Trilogy was 2 > 1 > 3.

>>1791008
this guy knows

Wasn't the law 1 > 2 > Spinoffs >>>> 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4

>>1789661
Devil May Cry

>>1791008
The law of the trilogy is utter bullshit.

>>1789661
>DKC
>The exact opposite of the correct order.

u wot

>>1791053
Mario, Donkey Kong Country, Mega Man, Phantasy Star.

>>1791008
Mario, Mega Man, Sonic, Dragon Quest.

>>1791059
This guy knows for real.

>>1789661
>Double Dragon 3 > 1 > 2

Sounds about right.

>>1790429
SMW was just SMB3 less momentum so babies could handle it, a power up in storage so babies could handle it, a Yoshi that in some levels is effectively infinite hits and in others is a backup jump so babies could handle it, a cape that lets you fly over the entirety of a lot of the levels so babies could handle it, a spin jump that lets you bounce off of almost all otherwise damaging enemies and obstacles so babies could handle it, less difficulty even putting aside everything else mentioned, and less impressive graphics for the system it was on.
I really don't understand what people see in the game.

>>1789661
Digimon Tamers > Adventure > Adventure 02

OP is correct.

>>1789763
lmfao shut up

>>1791569
disgusting no, tamers a shit. It was digimon for babies

>>1791514
>less impressive graphics for the system it was on.
Yeah SMW still holds up as beautiful.

>>1791616
You don't understand what I'm saying.
SMB3 looks great for an NES game.
SMW looks substandard even for an early SNES game.

>>1791626
>Late era NES game looks great
>Launch SNES game looks substandard
Gee, I wonder..

>>1791684
Notice that I clearly said "even for an early SNES game".
There's a reason I said that. It's because I knew you would use this dumbass excuse if I didn't.
But then you went and did it anyway. Jesus Christ.

Look, Super Mario World came out in late November, 1990 in Japan.
Gradius III, ActRaiser, and Final Fight were all released in December of 1990 in Japan, and they are all significantly better looking games.

Besides that, most of the issue with SMW's visual have nothing to do with hardware limitations or not having enough practice with the SNES. The art is inconsistent as fuck, and a lot of stuff is just straight up ugly (I assume much of it is placeholder art they didn't have time to replace since it just had to be a launch title).
What's with those hideous solid color, outline-for-the-shadow bushes?
Why is there pig disgusting amateurish pillow shading in some places in the game?
What's with the weird attempt at perspective with those logs that show up in sky levels that no other sort of platform in the game uses?
Why is the background for the Ghost House levels really detailed and actually pretty good looking (though it clashes with the simplicity of Mario and the Boos) while every other level has some abstract nonsense or practically nothing at all?
Why do a few specific things use dithering while the vast majority of stuff in the game does not?
How exactly do you convince yourself that something like pic related isn't terrible looking?

>>1792243
This entire post. Maybe in consoles Super Mario World may have looked decent, but the graphics really don't hold a candle to other SNES games of it's time.

>>1791613
Nigga what? Tamers is easily the darkest of those three.

>>1791613
>digimon for babies
No shit?

>first three Megaman
>first three Megaman X
>first three Zelda
>first three Metroid

>>1793291
I disliked X3 more than 1 and 2. Hell I even liked X4 better.

>>1793089
>>1793106
the main characters were all the annoying younger siblings of the characters from the first season. The jokes were far worse than they already were it was digimon for your annoying little brother

>>1793328
Maybe he's pointing out series it doesn't apply to.

>>1793328
I love X4 too. I think it's the best X game, followed by X1 and X6.

>>1793356
Some friend thinks that too. I love X4 but I think I accustomed myself to X1 and 2 more. I don't know if it's how physics work in those games. And that I somehow had an easy time with X4.

>>1793372
By contrast, I love the physics of the PSX games. They're just so much faster and I feel free to move.

X5 fucked it up, somehow. It seems very slow to me. That's not the only fault in that game, though.

>>1789687
Yeah I was never really impressed by Tomb raider back in the day. I was a doom/dook kiddie so the controls always felt like ass.
>mfw watching people who defend it getting destroyed by minor enemies

>>1789749
2 is better than 1.
1 had good ideas, but 2 is so much more polished.

>>1793337
>the main characters were all the annoying younger siblings of the characters from the first season
that's adventure 02

>>1789661
Diablo 3 > Diablo 1 > Diablo 2

Yup, that seems legit

>>1793337
Thats Adventure 02 you hack

>>1793410
>>1793387
Oh okay sorry yeah that one sucks, tamers can fuck off too because I am sure that's the one that made that crappy fursona renamon popular.

>>1793415
>the show itself is bad because furries made furry art
You're retarded.

>>1789697
3 is the best Crash.

>>1789749
Same for DKC. 3 >>>> 2 > 1

>>1791514
> the game was well balanced so it was made for babies

Enjoy having no save state.

>>1792243
> How exactly do you convince yourself that something like pic related isn't terrible looking?

Because it looks fine and you don't need to deal with slowdowns, unlike most SNES games. You never should sacrifice gameplay because of graphics.

Also, Gradius III was ugly as fuck.

>>1791514
>SMW was just SMB3 improved controls

Fixed.

>>1794061
>well balanced
I think it's pretty clear I disagree for reasons I have already outlined. The player is much more well equipped to deal with the platforming challenges (which aren't as hard as in SMB3 to begin with) than he has any need to be.
Some more challenge, and especially a lack of ability to fly over levels you don't wanna deal with, would have been greatly appreciated.

>Enjoy having no save state.
I don't understand. Why would I want or need save states? What are you trying to say?
Do you just mean saves PERIOD? I usually play the All-Stars version of the game (which also looks much better than SMW, almost as if it wasn't rushed for the launch of a new console) so that ain't an issue to me.

>Gradius III was ugly as fuck
I agree, but it still looks better than SMW.

Look, I do like the game, I want to make that clear. I just don't think it's as good as SMB3, and I'm not going to ignore its painfully obvious shortcomings.

>>1789778
>Star Wars Episode IV
Welp, that's fucking weird considering it's the first one really.
>Indiana Jones and t-
Yeah, no.

But on the topic of game franchises with pre-2000 roots, going numerically Resi 4 makes sense though I prefer the previous games. Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation wasn't the best but it was the most accomplished Tomb Raider conceptually. Sonic The Hedgehog 4 was apparently great. Street Fighter IV in its many iterations have been great. Mortal Kombat 4 was a major leap and a good game...

>implying lost levels isnt the best of all
>implying SMB1 isnt better than 3

>>1794218
Episode 4 holds up much better on it's own than 5.

>not liking Temple of Doom

>>1794248
oh wait, he meant Crystal Skull... yeah, point taken.

Sonic
>1 better than 2
Yeah no.

Mega Man Legends
>1 better than 2
Yeah no.

Streets of Rage
3>1>2
Yeah no.

Crash
>1 better than ANYTHING
Yeah, no.

House of the Dead
>1 better than 2
Yeah no.

Oddly it DOES apply for Mega Man... but that is not a trilogy.
And it doesn't make you be any less wrong.

>>1794308
>Yeah no

Wow, you're a fag.

>>1794308
>Oddly it DOES apply for Mega Man
Yeah no.

>>1789661
Your logic may be true with Donkey Kong Country or Super Mario Bros, but it's obviously wrong with Mega Man and Sonic.

>>1794308
>Oddly it DOES apply for Mega Man
Except it doesn't.

>>1794308
The first Sonic game is better than Sonic 2 though, and I could totally understand someone preferring the original Crash Bandicoot for its difficulty, or the original Mega Man Legends for taking place on one island that you get attached to and for having lots of npcs that develop in some way over the game.
It definitely doesn't apply to Mega Man. MM2 is an improvement in nearly every way imaginable, even with all its huge faults like broke ass metal blades and boobeam traps and whatnot. At least it doesn't have fucking foot holders.

>>1793395
Obviously it only applies if the series was good to begin with.

>>1792243
>forest level
>background is just vague leafy blobs
Even when I was a kid that bugged me.

>cave level
>background is some really basic geometric shapes with sparkles everywhere, that I guess are supposed to imply moisture

>Sanic 1 better than 2
>SMB 1 better than 2
TOPKEK

Also:
TMNT
Streets of Rage
Street Fighter
Mortal Kombat
WipEout
Road Rash
F-Zero
Megaman X
Final Fantasy (US or JP number system- doesn't matter)
Mother
Donkey Kong Country
Super Star Wars
Shinobi

You high.

>>1792243
You're just being a giant negative Nancy right now.

>>1795546
I'm just tired of people excusing or even sometimes praising SMW's graphics.
SMW is a very good game, but that doesn't mean every aspect of it is amazing or beyond reproach.
The game is ugly.
If you're one of those "gameplay is all that matters" types, then making this concession shouldn't be a problem since it doesn't matter either way to you.
If you aren't, then, caring about presentation, it should be clear to you the ways in which SMW falls short if you take the time to examine it.

>>1795590
The tilesets in the cave levels always looked really rough and sloppy to me. It looks like an indie game. Like Knytt or something.

>>1795546
>I can't face reality so I'm going to find excuses to keep up my wishful thinking.

>>1795825
>i hate the way Super Mario World looks and so should you
>being in this much of a tizzy
Super Mario World's simplistic graphics probably do the game a favor seeing that its very early in the library

What did this game do to you to warrant so much complaining?

>>1795590
May not have been the fanciest of graphics but at least it was stylized well.

>>1795843
Now that anon but
>muh style
Is an excuse many people use to justify something looking unprofessional. SMW2's graphics are highly stylized, SMW's are just sloppy and unprofessional

>using pillowshading

>>1793382
I couldn't ever put 2 above 1 because nostalgia

But Prime is 2 > 1 > 3
Same with Donkey Kong Country.

>>1795892
It's a launch game, numbnuts. I can say the same damn thing about Final Fantasy IV.

>>1789661
I dont know what the fuck your post even means

>>1795892
It's SWM. What you see gets the job done.

stop being such a tryhard

Series where this theory completely falls apart:
- Donkey Kong Country
- Earthworm Jim
- Space Quest
- Gabriel Knight
- Alone in the Dark
- Resident Evil
- Assassin's Creed
- GTA
- Devil May Cry
- DOOM
- Mother
- Street Fighter
- Metroid Prime
- Prince of Persia (original)

Series where this theory works:
- Leisure Suit Larry
- Darkstalkers
- Wonder Boy

>>1795897
>>1795909
Can't you provide ANY examples as to why you think the game has great/good/acceptable graphics, or are you just gonna keep throwing excuses?

If you think the graphics are good, provide arguments that support that claim.

>>1795920
Can't you provide examples as to why you're so adamant with your criticism of the graphics in Super Mario World, or are you just going to keep being a contrarian for the sake of it?

Only an idiot would be yelling about otherwise acceptable graphics. It looks fine.

>>1795910
>Devil May Cry
Are you shitting me?

>>1796045
Ignore him, he only plays his precious tripe-a games which are marketed to little boys who think that war is a fun thing to do.

>>1796045
>It looks fine.

That's your opinion, unfortunally you've not taken enough time to explain why you think this way. Instead you're opting for calling me a contrarian for not agreeing with the populous.

>>1795920
>arguing over graphics
>what is aesthetics

pants on head retarded

>>1796056
By your logic, no game has bad graphics, everything is excusable because aesthetics!

>>1796059
You probably think that Disgaea has bad graphics because it uses sprites instead of polygons.

Your favorite game spent more on adverts than having day-1 stability.

>>1796051
>That's your opinion
Yes, and fortunately my opinion is the correct one. Meanwhile, you think the game is jarringly ugly. Back in the real world it gets a free pass from most people because it's Mario and the gameplay is absolutely fabulous. There's nothing "wrong" with the graphics in the game and there's no point in going all art professor on it because it gets the point across. SMW is damn old and so in the beginning of the SNES. SMB3 was made on hardware that Nintendo had been working with for years and it shows with the finished product. You're being very unreasonable.

Also, why does the internet love to be torn between two great games? Morons.

>>1796092
http://www.skepdic.com/adpopulum.html

I don't care if it's Mario or of it's gameplay is good (which is something i agree on, but the discussion is about the GRAPHICS of the game), you can't seriously expect the game to be judged on a whole different level just because it's MARIO OMG.

>There's nothing "wrong" with the graphics in the game
Oh there is, to people with a basic grasp on graphic design and pixel art.

>SMW is damn old and so in the beginning of the SNES
And that's been aknowledged since this guy >>1792243 first made his post, that does not exempt the game from criticism.

>Also, why does the internet love to be torn between two great games? Morons.
Maybe because opinions differ from person to person. Not that you'd know this, of course.

>>1789951
Its

Sonic 3nk > Sonic 2 > New Sonic CD > Sonic 1 > Sonic 3D Blast = Sonic Spinball

I actually like sonic 2 way more than 3nk since it's less glitchy but 3 does so many other things better.

>>1796124
whoops

Old Sonic CD = Sonic 3d Blast = Sonic Spinball

>>1796118
Just pull your head out of your ass and stop trying to evaluate everything like a scholar. Your criticism bites big wind and you're pedantic as all hell. Where do you think we are?

>Oh there is, to people with a basic grasp on graphic design and pixel art.
This kinda stuff right here is usually what makes people tune out.

>>1795892
SMW2 looked better graphically because Nintendo had developed their Super FX-Chip for SNES carts by then.

All of the SNES games with the chip are capable of doing graphics better than any game without it.

You should compare SMW with other games released at/around the same time. There was a 4 year gap between the two games so it's reasonable the second game is aesthetically better.

>>1796143
>Don't critique a game I like plz

Is all i'm getting from you.

>>1796143
I didn't tune out, I actually agree with him. You're just namecalling instead of actually providing dissenting arguments.

SMW has passable graphics, since you're often moving and focusing on your jumps or on the enemies the background graphics take a backseat. But if you pay attention to them, they're bad and have lazy designs.

Being an early title has nothing to do with it. Compare it to Actraiser, you also focus on your jumps and on enemies when you play, but if you pause it and look at the background it isn't a lazy mess of geometric patterns.

>>1795910
>Devil May Cry
Either you really like 1 or you're insane.

>>1795843
No. If you'd paid even a little attention, you'd notice that one of the biggest issues with the game's graphics is huge style inconsistencies.
With shading alone there's:
>dithering, but only occasionally
>pillow shading sometimes
>weird outlined shading with those bushes
>some stuff having no shading (goombas, lakitus, koopas although their shells and capes have some shading) while some other stuff has 4 or 5 different colors worth of shading
>whatever kind of shading the floor and spikes use in pic related
It's practically sprite comic levels of inconsistency at times.

>>1795909
>It's SWM
I already addressed this excuse here:
>>1795590
>SMW is a very good game, but that doesn't mean every aspect of it is amazing or beyond reproach.

>>1795897
Already addressed here:
>>1792243

>I can say the same damn thing about Final Fantasy IV
You can't, because FFIV is a little bit better looking and significantly more consistent.

>>1796045
>Can't you provide examples as to why you're so adamant with your criticism of the graphics in Super Mario World
Not the guy you replied to, but I can and have multiple times. I've pointed out a variety of things and posted a few very unflattering screenshots.

>>1796092
There's plenty wrong with the graphics. Most people not caring or not noticing doesn't change this.

>SMW is damn old
There's many NES games that look better. Age has nothing to do with it. It being an early SNES title has nothing to do with it. I've been over this.

>>1789673
Add Donkey Kong Country to that counter arguments list.

>>1789693
but that's correct

>>1795124

The first Sonic game is better than 2 because..?
Mega Man 2 is overrated to hell and back. The level design is clumsy, the game is too easy overall, the 3rd Wily boss is bullshit.
Other than the OHKO in spikes, and the annoying section in Ice Man's level, what's wrong with Mega Man 1? Too difficult?

No foot holders? What are items 1 and 3? 2 moves, but how does it not apply?

I kinda see the point for Legends though.

And I like tough games, but Crash 1 has purposefully cheap designed layouts on nearly all of the second half of the game.

Castlevania 3 > Castlevania 1 > Castlevania 2

Works for me.

>>1796809
>The first Sonic game is better than 2 because..?

1. It's the only classic Sonic game that offers a decent amount of challenge. All the others are easy.

2. Rings make more sense here. There aren't a ton of rings or shields in any given level, so getting and keeping 50 rings until the end of the stage, which is required for getting the good ending, is actually a bit of an undertaking.
2 dramatically increases the amount of rings and you can go to a special stage from any checkpoint so there's little pressure to play well, and the game gets insulting easy once you get the good ending thanks to Super Sonic.

3. The levels are more varied despite there being half as many as in 2. You've got fast stages, platforming heavy stages, stages about avoiding traps, etc.
In 2, most everything is the somewhat fast Emerald Hill sort of stage.

4. Levels are better designed.
>significantly less moments where an enemy or obstacle is stuck right in your path and you're likely to run into it before you can begin to react unless you know it's there
>less time wasting bullshit (loops and pipes in Chemical Plant, cannons in Oil Ocean, bolts in Metropolis)
>more emphasis on maintaining momentum to get through stages since you don't have a spindash, and the levels are designed accordingly. 2 is fine with stopping you since you can generate instant speed, but this has less flow and is more stop and start.

5. Doesn't have 2's horrible special stages (not that 1's are good).

>>1796143
>Why are you thinking so hard? Can'cha juss' mindlessly consume like yer s'posed ter?

>>1795910
What? No way is Darkstalkers 1 better than Darkstalkers 2. And the fanbase has long been divided on whether 2 or 3 is better.

>>1798029
>Can'cha juss' mindlessly consume like yer s'posed ter?
Since when does not having a problem with the way a video game looks make someone a mindless consumer? My condescending soapbox radar is going off the charts right now.

>>1796381
>I hate that Super Mario World doesn't have the detail and art direction that Actraiser does
That's just so obtuse though. So what if Super Mario World doesn't follow your outrageous pixel art standards? What if it did? This is the thinly veiled unpopular opinions thread where people try to validate pet peeves by talking down to everyone who doesn't agree and I've seen it before time and time again.

Is comparing Actraiser to SMW even fair? Game's so vastly different in tone, mood and demographic that it doesn't seem valid to me. Call the graphics lazy, bad, a mess, but that doesn't mean it's true. If this is what you're gonna go on, you might as well say that Doom shits all over Bubsy. It most certainly does, but there's no reason why people should compare different things in such a manner, just because they're video games. I couldn't even fathom arguing Super Mario World over Actraiser or viceversa. These games transcend at what they do and try to establish, and that's nothing short of an understatement. I can't be torn between great things because of meaningless nitpicks like the ones you guys have.

>>1789661
Mega Man 2=3>1
Sonic 3>2>1

>>1789673
Streets of Rage 3 would have been better if they hadn't ruined the Western release by removing all sorts of content. I'm not talking about minor localization stuff either, the game is butchered, with full levels and moves taken out.

>>1790949
Thank you based heather.

>>1798279
>I hate that Super Mario World doesn't have the detail and art direction that Actraiser does
That isn't what the man said.

And again, the issue is Super Mario World fails at having any ONE art direction. As I've already explained multiple times, the biggest problem is the ridiculous amount of inconsistency with the game's graphics, and the way the different looking stuff clashes.
This isn't what that other guy said either, but I'm going to say it: Actraiser has a much better realized art direction, and that's the main difference here. It all has one look to it. It's cohesive. Everything looks like it belongs.
Compare with >>1792243
What is with that bush? It's jarringly out of place next to that floor, the greenery in the floor, the berries on the bush itself, and the background it's in front of, because all of those things are stylistically very different from one another.

Actraiser is being used as a point of comparison because it is one of the earliest titles released for the system. If he compared it to a more cartoony game that came out later a billion people would be jumping down his throat insisting that that game only looks better because developers had a better understanding of the SNES by that point.

>>1798279
>Since when does not having a problem with the way a video game looks make someone a mindless consumer?
The game is ugly. It's fine if you still enjoy it; I also think it's a fun game, but let's not ignore the elephant in the room.

>>1798467
BK3 is definitely better than SoR3, but I can't put it above 2.

Though I think Skate looks way cooler in a red shirt.

>>1789661

that game was so bad but had nice characters.

>>1799438
>this whole thread
>no mention of quake
Quake 2>3>1

>sonic

>>1792243
that's a very concise argument you put together, and you're absolutely right. The games visuals feel very weird, inconsistent and best put, all over the place. There's certain things that SMW never did for me in ways that SMB3 did, which to me, made SMB3 the better, more stand out and ultimately more enjoyable game.

It's been said plenty of times that the game was rushed to meet a deadline, and it shows very apparently in the visuals, which are usually the last thing developers really finish in a game.

>>1799507
because 2 is the worst quake and quake 1 and 3 are pretty much incomparable, that and it's not a trilogy.

>Tomb Raider

Nah. 3 was nothing special. The series peaked with 2.

I also liked SMB 2 better than 1.

>>1800319
because the mario, sonic, and doom games are such fucking trilogies. I think he just meant "first three games of a respective series". also i disagree.

Counterarguments:
>Alex Kidd
>Breath of Fire
>Doom
>Duke Nukem
>Fallout
>Final Fantasy Legend/SaGa
>Metal Gear
>Metal Slug (the original is the best and anybody who says otherwise is a faggot)
>Metroid (you know it's true)
>Phantasy Star
>Resident Evil
>Starfox
>Super Mario Land
>Ys
And that's just the board-appropriate examples I can think of at the moment.

>>1800625
On the subject of Metal Slug, how exactly does X fit into things? Are you just considering it the definitive version of 2, or what?

Also, with Star Fox, is that including the unreleased 2?

>>1800647
Yes and yes.
Metal Slug 1 and Star Fox 2 are arguably the best games in their respective series.

>>1800684
I agree with these words you're saying. Metal Slug and Star Fox 2 are some of my favorite games of all time.

Ya know, looking past the fact that Super Mario Bros 1 invented it all, and that Super Mario Bros 2 is Doki Doki Panic yadda yadda

I think Super Mario Bros 2 is better than Super Mario Bros 1

>>1800625
>(the original is the best and anybody who says otherwise is a faggot)
my nigger
MS1 kept it simple and fun

>>1795254
>diablo 1
>not good

>Doki Doki Panic!
>not as good as SMB1 and SMB3

nigga is you fuh rill

>>1789661
I'm not sure about the other games, but that law definitely applies to Spyro.

>>1800882
3 > 1 > Lost Levels though.

>>1801374
3 ≥ 2 (US) > 1 >>> 2 (JP)