/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1763662
Karnov thread, you say?

Maximum comf.

I am going to kick this off by saying everybody should have midnight resistance in their sega genesis collection. GOAT soundtrack and it's a short but very sweet contra clone. Data East made some fucking top tier run n gun games back then.

Data East was a crummy developer that only made a few good games to be perfectly honest. Their stuff very often has this feel of interesting ideas with terrible execution.

>>1763662
RIP, the greatest SNES devs

We Boogie Wings now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpCEqNjbvmY

>>1763720
Sort of true, sort of not. A game like Chelnov or Edward Randy has jank to it, but there's rarely anything game-breaking involved.

>>1763720
Don't talk about things that you know nothing about. Just stick with your Super Metroid and first-party games, kid.

Data East was primarily an arcade developer and they made some absolute gems. Let me enlighten your lack of experience. You're going to go download them and try them and be pleasantly surprised. But don't go acting like you "discovered" these games now, okay?

Magical Drop 3
Heavy Smash
Joe & Mac (arcade only)
Joe & Mac Returns
Boogie Wings
Captain America and the Avengers
Night Slashers
Diet Go Go
Crude Buster (arcade only)
Nitro Ball

Remember. You're the one who said that Data East is a "crummy developer". If I trashed one of your favorite developers I'm sure you would've replied in a similar scathing manner. So suck it up.

>>1763763
And fucking Chelnov.

>>1763767
Plus Spin Masters and Street Hoops.

My favourites are midnight resistance, bloody wolf and heavy barrel :B

>>1763763
>no Congo's Caper
>Captain America and the Avengers

Dear god man.

>>1763789
Just the fact that you named Congo's Caper leads me to believe that you think that I'm naming the CONSOLE version of Captain America and the Avengers. No, I am referring solely to the arcade version of Captain America.

Furthermore I never played Congo's Caper.

>>1763789
So, if the only version of Captain America that you have played is the SNES version, then I suggest you try the original and superior arcade version.

The SNES port is garbage.

>>1763720
Karnov will crush you

>>1763795
Just checked, and sure enough the SNES port wasn't even made by Data East but by Mindscape.

>>1763662
They made Bad Dudes. That's good enough for me.

>>1763789
The fuck are you talking about? Captain America is GOAT for a 90' game, the graphics and music is top notch, and the gameplay is pretty enjoyable too.

>>1763763
It seems more like you're the one who actually needs to become more acquainted with Data East. They made a shitload of crappy games in addition to the other games you've listed (and Boogie Wings isn't that well designed, come off it).

>>1763774
>bloody wolf
Whoa, someone actually likes that turd? Heavy Barrel is forgiveable but Bloody Wolf just plays like ass.

>>1763879
>>1763892
It's entirely possible to like games that are imperfect or even deeply flawed. There's more to the spectrum than "shit" and "GOAT".

>>1763892
>Bloody Wolf just plays like ass.

It doesn't play like ass just because you suck at it. This game is godly.

>>1763957
>jumping in an isometric game for dodging purposes
Nah, it sucks.

>>1763720
Lord of the Rings AC/DC TFTC MET TSPP SM GNR get on my level bitch Data East still lives Lyman and Steve rock your pussy ass.

this game certainly is nowhere near a 10/10 but if you have someone to play it against shit can get pretty intense

>>1763962
that wasn't even me but someone else likes the game too. No reason to hate the jumping when you need to git gud.

>>1764075

Eeeyyyy, I know those guys!

>>1763879
Name them.

Let me guess. 90% of what you name will be ports of arcade games, and I wouldn't be surprised if half of them weren't even made by DE themselves.

>>1763763

Joe & Mac 2 on the SNES was pretty good.
I also like the SNES version of J&M1, it's different than the arcade counter-part
I also liked the NES port, it was pretty good for a NES port of an arcade game.

>>1763665
Loved playing this with friends, but could never get far on singleplayer. I think I aways lost on the second bonus level

>>1763736
This game is great
I replayed it a few weeks ago and found it pretty easy though

>>1764676
>>1764676
I never had anyone to play with.
I sucked at it too.

But I just loved the music and atmosphere of the game, I felt like I was off playing pool in the night life of a city.

Their Mega Drive games/ports have incredible FM-synth music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hTihKhZL74

Why aren't you playing Karnovs Revenge right now /vr/?

Didn't data east do shadow run? One of the best SNES games.

>>1764754
>>1764754
oh shit, you're right.
They did do the SNES version.
My favorite game of all time.

>>1764779
Shadowrun SNES was made by Beam Software, an Australian company.

>>1764784
> The video game was developed by Australian company Beam Software and first released in 1993 by Data East.

Ah yeah.
Still, thank you data east.

Guys we all know the best Data East game is Trio the Punch

>tfw playing Magical Drop for the first time
>tfw realizing that's where that old bouncing gif came from after all these years

>>1763879
>shitload of crappy games
Your AVGN fanboyism is showing.

Mizoguchi is the best fighting game protagonist ever. He's a high school dropout turned octopus fisherman turned janitor that taunts when he wins and rolls on the ground screaming when he loses.

>>1764896
I have no idea what you're implying.

>>1764979
Nobody actually writes "shitload" in classic gaming forums except AVGN fanboys.

>>1764992
Shitload has been a term used for the last 50 years or more for all types of things m8.

>>1764995
Maybe in other forums, but certainly not in gaming boards.

>>1764940
Anyone got the loading screen video from Karnov's Revenge Saturn?

>>1763664
>>1763796
I liked Heisanevilgenius's showcase of Karnov.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm4hoYb0qT0

>>1765003

I usually gra my attract screens, playthrough clips, console startup screen, etc., from Youtube. There is one channel specifically with over 7000 videos, ut I'm at a loss for the name of it at the moment.

>>1764998
>I'm desperate to defend my stupid idea so I'll just claim that nobody, ever, could have used this common term before someonoe I don't like
>even though I could easily find evidence

This guy is an obvious shitposter. You all know what to do.

>>1765037
Shut up, AVGN fanboy.

>>1765037
>You all know what to do.

Yeah, just ignore him.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/shitload$20video$20game

Video game discussion from the 90s found using the word "shitload"

Anyway, back on topic, Atomic Runner music is GOAT

>>1765065
It's so nice going to old websites and see how little things have changed. As someone on /v/ said, internet access wasn't widely available, let alone fast, so they "wanted to make their shitposts count", and "wouldn't waste their internet bill and upload time to a comment like '#rekt :^)'".

>>1765412
"ADAM I NEED TO CALL 911 DAD IS DYING"
"NO MOM I NEED TO TELL SOMEONE HE'S WRONG ON THE INTERNET"

>>1764645
why did you come in a data east circle jerk thread if you don't like them? Just get the fuck out of here you flaccid faggot all our cocks are fully engorged in data east goodness here. Go back to your entry level shit

>>1764645
That's a good question. Has Data East made any console games themselves? Most of their NES games were developed by a company called "Sakata SAS", and I wouldn't be surprised if their other console ports were by them also.

>that feel when finally beat Karnov
>my face when that boring CONGRAGULATIONS! is all you get for all that effort

>>1765893
I think the japanese version might have an ending because the american version had stuff cut to save space I imagine. There are cutscenes in it showing karnov being sent by god to make amends for the bad deeds he did when he was alive and god gives karnov tips between levels.

>>1765915
>stuff cut to save space

Nope. It was cut because of Nintendo's atheist liberal policies against displaying anything religious in licensed games.

>hater mods mad that Data East still exists as a pinball company, dominating the industry

>>1765865
WTF

I'm the one who is defending Data East, dude. Please tell me you're replying to the wrong post.

>>1763668

http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2081/

I'm fucking love these color hacks.

>>1766147
i was replying to the guy you were replying to sorry I think I clicked your post number instead cause I was reading it last before I replied.

>people talking yang about Data East

Plenty of developers have bad games. Data East on the whole I would say made mostly "good enough" games. Sure, Konami has more gems, but they also have a bucket of shit arcade games, too. Different strokes, dude. Besides, beat-em-ups like Final Fight and Streets of Rage are just as empty and cheap as something like Bad Dudes, it's just that they have better music. And pile drivers.

Data East just had the misfortune of not having any key NES games like Castlevania or Mega Man.

>>1766236
Data East had awesome music though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsmtaV6SyjM
Konami even felt the need to rip it off.

windjammers sequel when

>>1766552
It took 63 posts for someone to bring up Windjammers. Shame on you all.

PS anyone that knows their arcade history and games wouldn't dare to bash Data East. Before you judge Data East by their console games, gain some goddamn arcade experience.

>>1764992
The fuck are you on about? That stupid cunt didn't invent the term "shitload".

Back on topic, I saw a rom of this the other day - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tattoo_Assassins I dunno if it's news or anything but it's on blackcats. The game looks incredibly bad, enough for me to really want to try it.

Best beat em up, or best beat em up?

>>1766623
Neither. It's not even their best beat-em-up.

>>1766609
The only games of theirs I've even played are their arcade ones and I would have to echo the sentiment that they weren't a very consistent developer.

>>1763665
The video game me and my dad played the most.

Only Data East would put a middle finger inside one of their games.

Yeah, I know it's actually an IREM game that was ported by TOSE, but it was published in the US by Data East. No one really talks about this game, not even on /vr/.

Just tried out the Magical Drop series for the first time. Gotta say I think they're pretty shallow to be honest. I wouldn't rank them very high among my tiers of puzzle games.

>>1767696
>Puzzle games
>Shallow

What did you expect? Europa Universalis?

Arcade puzzle games are meant to be able to be picked up by anyone and played on their FIRST try. The aim of arcade puzzle games are to be easily accessible.

Magical Drop is accessible, easy to pick up, has a wonderful presentation, and is extremely fun.

>>1763665
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sFY7VRIX0w
comfort mode engage

>>1767715
Shallow compared to other puzzle games obviously, dummy.

>>1767776
SUCH AS

>>1767794
Tetris Attack, Tetrisphere, Puyo Puyo, etc. Matches seem to end way too quickly in Magical Drop. Is there no sort of way to defend yourself against a large chain?

>>1767804
haha i knew you were going to say panel de pon (tetris attack)

Anyway, that's a fantastic game. Now i see where you're coming from. (don't know what tetrisphere is though, must be new) you're playing magdrop 3 with a console mindset

The big difference between your type of puzzle games and arcade puzzle games is the speed, as you have noticed. It's not JUST magical drop that has the one-combo-kill style, most other arcade puzzlers from that era are like that because they emphasize competitive play. One other thing though.. change your neo-geo BIOS region to japan.. the non-japanese BIOSes are notorious for being more difficult...

anyway, i don't see how that makes it shallow. it may not be as appealing as classics like puyo puyo or panel de pon, but it sure as fuck is not more shallow. just not as well-balanced is all

>>1767829
>The big difference between your type of puzzle games and arcade puzzle games is the speed
Wow, you know what... Not even going to bother reading the rest of this. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>1767838
speed of the matches, moron. not the speed of the game. LENGTH then. better?

>>1767846
I'm still flabbergasted that you would bring any sort of arcade elitism into this. Play more puzzle games and get a clue.

>>1767849
i was playing tetrinet competitively when you were still in diapers. i'm done with you.

>>1767863
Next time try not to talk down to someone you're trying to convince of something.

"your type of puzzle games" versus "arcade puzzle games"... Fuck you. I could just as easily have added Land Maker to that list. Apparently you missed Puyo Puyo as well.

Magical Drop's in the same arena as Puzzle Bobble: fast, tricky stacking games where your spatial awareness sticks to drop trajectory, not the whole board full of stacks. Doesn't mean they can't be as complex as the regular stack-chaining puzzlers.

>>1767879
Okay. Sorry. I'm just defensive when it comes to my fave developers.

Peace.

>>1767883
Whoa that's not fair. I would at least put Magical Drop above Puzzle Bobble. It's more skill-based game that relies on thinking ahead a lot more thanks to the chaining mechanics.

>>1767764

Posting superior jazzy FM version of the overall superior soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHm-620kgFc

Data East were fucking masters of FM music.
Listen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCeyahyMddw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7-AHModlMA

Ever wondered how would Final Fantasy IV's overworld sound like on the Genesis?
Wonder no more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25_kuaHTbvc

ALL HAIL DATA EAST!!

>>1767905
>that last one
holy shit it's final fantasy 4

>>1767829
>non-japanese BIOSes are notorious for being more difficult.
What pisses me off about Magical Drop is that it was left largely untranslated. The japanese version has several endings and unique dialogue. The rest just have a few generic win quotes and no endings.

>>1767917

Told you.
Ain't it a magnificent cover of it?
High Seas Havoc features one of the top 20 Genesis OSTs of all time.
I would gladly put Shimizu on the same level as Michiru Yamane and I think she could've done music just as fitting for CSOTN if given the chance.

>>1766623
That's pretty crude, you buster.

Not Shimizu, but Vapor Trail's theme sounds best on the MD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IDvmCibcuA

>>1767974
Your post just reminded me of its sequel Rohga (Wolf Fang). Everyone needs to try that game right now, if you have never played it. It's one of Data East's best.

>>1768083
Game is way too long for its own good. I tried it with a friend and we actually had to stop eventually because it just gets so repetitive.

>>1763662

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLKd5e52p-Y

Loved this game.

Damn it, we need a new Robocop side-scroller.

>>1767925

RUCKY SHOT

YES! THIS IS /vr/ I LOVE! Great motherfuckin' thread, guys. A breath of fresh air compared to the shit I've seen today.

10/10

bam

>>1766920
:3

>>1763736
Is this like a rebranded Joe & Mac 2 or something?

>>1763763
Crude Buster had a genesis/megadrive port, it just was renamed Two Crude Dudes in America and Europe

>>1764797
this, honestly

Trio The Punch is fucking brilliant.

What other game developers had the balls to release an entire fucking ARCADE CAB designed to do nothing but troll players?

>>1772697
CRUETY

>>1766623
SoR2 > *

>>1766623
This game would've been better if you were playing as two super-powered not-Arnolds that could smack people multiple times as opposed to once every 2 seconds. A great idea on paper, but it was poorly executed.

>>1769031
I always thought it was a wasted opportunity that they didn't make Officer Lewis the 2P character in RoboCop 2 and instead we just got another RoboCop in a different shade of gray.

>>1775323

Everyone wants to be RoboCop.

>>1764752
Holy Shit, they made a Karnovs Revenge?

>>1777451
Yeah It's a fighter

>>1774467
HA CHA CHA

>>1777451
>>1777723
Yeah. It's not really a Karnov sequel. Karnov's Revenge was just the US title for Fighter's History Dynamite.

Why no Panic?

>>1777451

>yfw Karnov's Revenge was released to Zeeboo

At least it's decent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9GtO3nIqoc