/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1744157
The other one is still alive though, you should of waited until that one died completely.

>>1744323
True, but it would be easier to keep the /vg/ thread alive to let people know we've completely moved to /vr/

>>1744157
>>1744163
I never played much of SC2K because it's hard to go back to it after 3000 and 4 but wow, I never noticed how pretty it was till these gifs.

>>1744157
Why exactly did we move to /vr/? Simcity 4, the game we discuss the most here, is hardly retro.

>>1744559
There aren't many good modern city-building games, SC4 is more of a diamond in the rough.

Unfortunately SC2k is a game that hasn't aged well.
It certainly has the nostalgia, but I won't play it again. It's best to leave the memories alone.

I'm currently playing SC2013 and I'm pretty impressed about it, even though SC4 had more options.

>IMO

>>1744559
Simcity 4 came only 3 months after Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 and the genre as a whole including Simcity 3000 generally have titles that were released prior 1999.

>>1744583
>>>OUT

>>1744583
My biggest gripe is the map size and the bizarre routes the Sims take. It's like they don't take into consideration existing traffic at all and only add to the congestion instead of taking a different route.

Right now I'm playing Banished. The game is pretty fun but it gets uncontrollable after you hit a certain population. I wish there were technology upgrades after a while though, it got me thinking that a city building sim where you go through different eras would be the greatest thing ever, from small in a village to skyscrapers in a metropolis.

>>1744615
I know that Will Wright said that SC4 got too complicated and lost the fun aspect but I doubt that SC2013 was what he was thinking.

>>1744559
/vg/ was too fast for /cbg/, leading to about 4-5 threads in a row dying with less than 100 posts.

Plus, 3/4 titles in the proper SimCity series were pre-1999.

>>1744616
Indeed, the map size it's a pain in the ass and I'm still getting used to it.

>>1744621
I wouldn't say it was too complicated. The fact that you needed to build and manage multiple cities to really get the gears moving was a bit of bad design in a way, but it's forgivable since it can be called part of the learning curve.

>>1744615
Holy shit dat region. Fucking beautiful.

>>1744654
Let's be realistic, SC4 was complicated.

It doesn't mean it wasn't fun

>>1744616

I'm having issues with fucking awful AI in Banished all the time which ruins the game for me. Instead of going off and doing their jobs they just stand around doing nothing complaining about how there are no resources available to make tools while I have resources available they won't use which leads to nobody getting any food and thus mass famines.

Only two people remained alive at the end of this famine, one male adult and one male child.

>>1744675
That only happens to me when I tell labourers to clear land/get wood. It's fucking annoying and it takes at least a season for them to realize what they're supposed to be doing and by then winter is over and everyone needs to get back to planting crops.

>>1744723

Happens to me except for things like stone and iron. Wood I have no issues with, on the other hand stone and iron they derp out completely.

Unfortunately I've never actually got to a stage where I could farm or herd. I got close with the last save (which happened at the very start of the famine) that I bought a cattle with coats but I could only afford one and the trader left while I was trying to sort out the food issue.

Why did the city builder genre die out? It's hard for me to believe EA tanked the genre alone with SimCity: Societies.

None of the modern builders really do it for me. Tropico is too sloppy. The Anno series is painfully slow. I don't want to touch anything indie with a ten foot pole.

Was SC4 the complexity limit of the genre?

>>1744749
They take too much effort to code and play.

>>1744749
>>1744754
Also it's a very specific market niche I guess

>>1744754

Yep, even Cities XL Platinum apparently has a memory leak that existed since the original Cities XL. Shame too because XL could have been as good as SC4 had there been more polish in it. Plus some of the music is good too, I remember listening to some of it while in Vegas staring out at the nighttime city.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaQ8d-51140

>general

>>>/vg/

>>1744770

>Implying all generals have to be on /vg/

>>1740872
>>1744157
>>>/o/10622465

/sp/ has some too, but I don't know the links to those.

>>1744742
I always start on the setting where you get a few seeds, but no animals. I've never gotten a chance to purchase them since the traders bring just about everything but that and seeds so I have no idea what they even provide. Farming is pretty fun, you can put a ton of workers to farm and after the harvest have them work on expanding. It's definitely only to be used to supplement continuous food sources though and only in large scale. Large populations eat through everything harvested pretty quickly.

>>1744749
I think it's because they're very niche and unlikely to sell unless they're attached to a known brand like Simcity (and look at what EA has been doing with Simcity). I've never played any of the Cities XL games but from what I've seen they appear to be tarnishing their own brand, too. Any "wow feature" of the game might require difficult coding too like >>1744754 said so you're left with just mediocre city builders.

I think it being niche can work for it though. Because they're so few city building games I usually buy whatever new one comes out, provided they're of good quality and not generic "gimmick simulator" quality.

>>1744770
>what is the /vr/ct thread

>>1744764
>Cities XL Platinum apparently has a memory leak that existed since the original Cities XL
They never fixed that issue? Cripes, it rendered the game unplayable past 30 minutes, even on 16GBs of ram on Win 7 64bit.

What got me about Cities XL is how they gate the bigger city features on every single plot of land. SimCity never pulled this nonsense. If you wanted to build a dense city from the outset, you could. You didn't have to bulldoze half your residents to take advantage of a new zoning area.

>>1744831

It does seem better than before on Plat, instead of occurring after 30 minutes it usually kicks in once you hit around 200k-300k population.

>>1744839
That's just bad coding.

In the actual /vr/ days, wasting ram was a grievous sin. Even past that, not fixing a long standing bug for over two years is either sloppy or sad.

>>1744873

I know, I'm not excusing it either that they haven't fixed a glitch in the 4 years between XL and XL Plat. Shame because it could have been a contender with SC4 had they ironed it out a bit more instead of releasing the same game every year but with 30 new buildings.

Weird...I'm not sure why you guys have made exodus, but welcome to /vr/ nonetheless.

The only city builder I'd like to contribute here is Artdink's A-Train series. It's got an incredibly long and venerated lineage in Japan, but only A-Train 9's up to snuff these days *and* available on Steam, translated. A-Train III got localized by Maxis back in the day, but every chance they took marketing and publishing the games ended in failure.

Here's A-Train IV; the PlayStation port was a launch title in Japan, which is kinda cool, but not as much as Maxis localizing it for Westerners. I'll also recommend y'all look at SCROLL Magazine's Artdink issue, which goes into the games in fair detail + talks about other Artdink games (like their O'Neill Island Three space colony city builder Tokio).

>>1744749
I don't find the fun in downloading a whole bunch of mods to make SC4 playable (vanilla game is shit), finding brown boxes, hunting down 10 dependencies, having the game crash on start due to mods, then fixing the mod causing the problem. After which you spend 10 hours plopping items leading to RSI and navigating through the packed menu system and then get a crash to desktop, finding out that you last saved an hour ago.

SC4 mods are the best and worst things about the game; good as they make a 10 year old game truly amazing, bad due to the most autistic modding community I've ever seen.

>>1744935
>get a crash to desktop, finding out that you last saved an hour ago
That's the reasoning behind me taking long breaks between SC4. Fuck.

>>1744935

Another autistic as shit community is racing communities, especially NASCAR. Some guy on the racing general did the same thing oldshoes did where he compiled dependencies and gigs of mods just to get a passive aggressive as fuck response from everywhere outside of Leddit and 4chan and had his shit DMCA'd multiple times by autists who think they own the copyright to the NASCAR liveries because they put them in an 11 year old game.

>>1744957
Why? It reminds me of Sims communities. Then there's the "paid" content that's not even legal according to EA's guidelines.

>>1744957
>autistic
>sim genres
I think this goes without saying.

I prefer to play my sims without mods though. Most of the time they muck with the game play ways I don't enjoy.

>>1745052
Hey U-boat sims are not autistic, ok maybe, but at least not in that way.

>>1744957
>NASCAR

Some more A-Train. Here's some footage of A-Train 5, released in 1996: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTTNq_QBdP0

The game supported a shit-ton of early 3D graphics cards, and it was damn good lookin' back in its day (especially compared to other Japanese PC titles). A-Train 5 lets you use this 3D view to look at your city, but the planning stage itself is all top-down 2D stuff, made to be much less exciting but more practical to build railways with.

>Build a freeway
>Sims don't use it

>>1745298
The only time I ever played A-Train was a short while after trying OpenTTD and I realized how much I loved trains. I think it might have been the first one and pretty dated, though. I know it was a DOS game.

>>1744157
Anybody play the A-Train games? I read about them and am curious as to what people here think about them.

>>1745614
Maxis localized A-Train III for DOS, Mac and Amiga back in 1992. If it had sold better, we most assuredly would have gotten IV and V for Windows platforms or something.

A-Train didn't catch on because it was a tycoon sim and city-builder in one: your goals were profit-based, but the ultimate product would usually be large urban areas. The materials mechanic also meant resources gathered still needed to be transported around the playing field for buildings to spring up, which isn't as instantaneous as zoning in SimCity games. The concept wasn't foreign to Japanese players (who themselves loved to precisely manage train schedules as though it were programming in assembly), but it was to Western gamers.

The only games not worth playing, from what I can tell, are A-Train II (might as well play the first game, which was more of a puzzle romp), 6 (PS2-only, so less modding + not everyone wants to emulate and maybe not have mouse options), and 8/HX (the prototypes for 9, currently the best in the franchise). Also, most of the games aren't yet translated, so it's best to stick with 3/Maxis or 9. A shame, since A-Train on the PS is the best version of A-Train IV sans mouse controls!

>>1745627
look at that, I should have actually looked at the thread I guess.

>>1745737
lol

Here's some modern A-Train 9 stuff:

Couple of great train tours through rural areas and cities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IAime213eA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om-Cluqs3_U
For kicks, a bus tour at night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfZQcRg0Yuc
And yes, a train tour at night in the snow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZZIZEUwBkE
English Let's Play (sorry Germany): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bSb9_89bOw

Here's a clip from A-Train 7 (dem 2D graphics): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgyPPy3BfOY

>>1745607
With NAM installed?

For anyone who want Sim City 2000 WINDOWS version:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/hrx4ry42au571a3/SC2K.rar
don't forget to launch the reg patch:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/fzl4o6mm4m4ptjf/sc2k_w7_patch.zip

>>1744749
Evolved into Anno,Cities Life, and Banished.
Basically, Sim City left a hole that hasn't been filled. If Blue byte do a sim city like after the new Settlers, it would be great.

>>1744749
>Was SC4 the complexity limit of the genre?
nigga, a game like Distance Universe has been released on steam a few month ago. SC4 complexity is not the issue.

>>1746443
Also, Cities in Motion.

>>1745709
Any portable version of Atrain 3 ?

>mfw every time I build a beautiful city, I lament the fact that only I will be able to see and enjoy it

Anybody else have similar feelings when playing any /cbg/ game?

Who Anno 1602 here? Is it still possible to play the game over multiplayer? I'd love to play the game with some other people.

Anyone happen to have nice sc2000 tilesets lying around?

I got a fairly big collection of sc2000 SCURK tilesets sitting around on my old laptop, I could put em all in a zip if there is any interest?

>>1746437
thanks, it actually works

couldnt stand using the gog DOSbox version, they said they couldnt get the WIN version to work

>>1746506
Not any official version, no. If there are any DOS emulators available on mobile or for handhelds, use those and give the Maxis localization a shot (or SheepShaver for the Mac version, and so forth with Amiga). Otherwise, A-Train 3DS came out recently, not sure if anyone's going to translate it though...

So here's Tokio. It's much, much closer to SimCity than A-Train, but Artdink has a unique premise: you're the mayor of Tokyo's latest district, located in an O'Neill cylinder orbiting Earth. As such, you manage both this disconnected portion of Tokyo (which seems to have home rule, rather than simply being governed from mainland) and the colony backend. So it's direct city management, unlike A-Train, but there's more focus on utilities than in the original SimCity (this came out in late 1992, a year or so before SimCity 2K). Some elements from A-Train are retained, like being able to schedule transit in and out of the colony (spaceport!) and needing to manage materials for building, rather than just money. The game view's a complicated isometric perspective that lets you shift between each of the three building planes at any time.

From what little documentation's online and vaguely readable, Tokio's got some cool political dynamics, largely based around having to trade between Tokio and Tokyo for resources like food. You also have to exert a political stronghold in order to remain the elected incumbent for office...good luck with that, we're talking Japanese politics here! One feature that'll be difficult to localize for English text is being able to locate a citizen's address and phone them for a randomly-generated comment on just about anything. There's a really silly, late-'80s-bubble-economy atmosphere to the whole game that somehow channels contemporary TV, space opera anime, and previous Artdink games (worker robots are cameos from How Many Robot?) all in one go.

Dumping screens.

I picked up Banished recently, is it normal that I have 90% of my citizens dedicated to getting food? I've got hunting lodges and gatherer's huts and fishing docks, but my people are still almost starving. I'm at 25/15/5 population, so did I boom my population too quickly?

Tokio came out for the PC-98 and FM Towns J-PCs back in December of 1992. It also got ported to Windows 95/98 as part of Artdink's Windows port series. I'm sure it's not too difficult to get running, just that learning to play the game would be a challenge.

Here, enjoy a spaceport. The hand-drawn pixel art in this game is some of the best Artdink ever put out during their J-PC days; sorry A-Train IV, but you ain't got as much color nor detail. Shame that it takes a bit to scroll across the map because NEC machines have shitty hardware support for that...this is why there's a handy mini-map available to speed things up.

>>1748854
Old PC-98 games look amazing, can't believe japs have so much citybuilding games.

It's your job as the mayor to regulate internal weather conditions and what time of day you wish to simulate for the residents (I'm presuming the large, translucent colony panes have tinting you can toggle). This makes sense: a Tokyo without any chance to glow all nostalgic and colorful is no Tokyo at all!

There is, in fact, a sequel to the original Tokio. Tokio 2 was Artdink's final game for any Japanese PC, released for PC-98 in late 1995 (they were already releasing games on Windows the same year!). It's apparently based around Tokio gaining full independence from Tokyo, becoming an orbital nation-state and striving for global recognition. So I'd imagine some of the systems are different, though the pixel art (what's available to be seen on Google, at least) isn't as cool-looking. That game, thankfully, made its way to Windows as well, which bodes well if someone does for Artdink what XSEED's done for Falcom (A-Train 9 recently appearing on Steam doesn't count, such is how half-assed the localization has been).

>>1748863
It's almost all Artdink, lol. The Japanese were more into wargaming than city-building sims, /me points to Koei strategy titles and System Soft daisenryaku stuff. And Tatsuo Nagahama, the company president, might well be the Will Wright equivalent, since he's the creator of A-Train. Masaaki Iizuka, the designer responsible for Carnage Heart (not city-building, but a really good robot-combat franchise), recently lead the team for A-Train 3DS, so who knows who's in charge of the franchise today.

>>1747876
Take screenshots. Post them here nigga.

A VHS demo of the original Tokio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dEVar8E3Ro&t=94

Here's a screenie of Tokio 2. Artdink's three most overlooked titles from their transition period on PC would be this, HR2 (construction simulator based around programming worker bots), and Blitz Strasse (proto-Stronghold defense game).

Man, I like it here. I don't have to bump the threads with reused content every couple hours and still have it die when I go to sleep. And we're seeing more variety in CBG's too.
That being said, have some reused content for a bump.

@ND, if you're still here, you're site is broken again.

Does SimCity 4 require Origin or any other online bullshit?
I bought it through Steam, if that makes any difference.

>>1749815
No

>>1749813
Where is that screenshot from? Simcity4? A mod?

>>1749827
Simcity 4 with a couple of retextures, a canal mod, and possibly some added buildings

Any downlaod link for atrain 3 ? I can only find the first one.

>>1744670
The interface was complicated, but the mechanics were pretty simple. They probably could have streamlined the game a bit a la civ 4 > civ 5 and had something that was more accessible and also didn't totally suck

>>1748836
>>1745709
>>1744930
Damn these games are gorgeous

I'm probably never going to play them because I don't speak Japanese, but the isometric 2d city aesthetic is so wonderful

>>1750253
Civ 5 wasn't worth playing over 4, though, until the Brave New World expansion, in part due to the new "accessibility".

>>1744930
>>1750265
I had the localized A-Train when I was young. It came with an awesome manual filled with information on all the different locomotives you could buy in the game as well as a ton of interesting facts and stories about trains (and poems and stories).
It was thoroughly incomprehensible to me at the time--but I just enjoyed moving cargo from one small town to another. I only made pitiable amounts of money per month and never did get to play the stock market....is the latest one any good?

>>1745903
>(dem 2D graphics)

Ooooyeahdatswhatdaddylikes..

What about this ?

>>1750246
Abandonia has the DOS files: http://www.abandonia.com/games/855/ATrain.htm

>>1750265
Don't give up hope! At least both Tokio games made it to Windows. ROM hacking Japanese Windows games is much easier than doing the same for NEC-platform titles. Judging from Artdink's origins in assembly programming, going in to fix the original versions up would be mad frustrating for most hackers just wanting to get English text working.

>>1750357
Natsume's bringing A-Train 3DS over here, another small tem just put A-Train 9 on Steam. If you've been playing recent city-builders like SimCity 4/Anno/Tropico, then A9 will be in that ballpark as far as sandbox potential and complexity goes. The 3DS game is made for franchise neophytes, though that doesn't mean the game systems are compromised (moreover, the game's mostly a colorful re-skin...dat secretary). Keep in mind that the A9 version we have on Steam is 1.0, not 2.0 or 3.0, which really sucks and, yet again, shows how localizers continue to botch the job after A-Train HX on the X360 bombed. Good thing A-Train games are getting localized more than ever before, as it must mean sales potential is there.

>>1750362
A-Train 7, though buggy at launch and more of a side-step for the franchise (taking the old isometric perspective to its limits), actually introduces some neat features, like pedestrian cars on the road, that were voted out of games as recent as A9. It sure is gorgeous and has great music, but there's other good reasons it should get localized.

>>1750495
What you talkin' about, that's a puzzle game. That's like bringing up Densha de Go in a Wargame general, you keep it to yourself!

Glad more people want to play Chitty Chitty Train, as it looks great and (according to one anon) plays well.

>>1745903
Aw shiet, I have ATrain 9 laying around somewhere.. maybe I should install it again

Also dat AT7

>>1748845
Welcome to pre-industrial civilization

>>1748907
But I never feel like my city is finished enough to make screenies of

>>1750497
but that's the first one.

>>1750609
The first one was released in 1985 and looked like this. You're talking about the Maxis localization of A-Train III.

>>1748409
oh man, this was one of my favorite games as a kid. playing it now, i cant believe i had as much fun as i did. not because it was a poor game, but because i didnt take the time to understand at least half of the game mechanics. trade routes, tool making, merchant wagon dudes... i must have cheated a lot as a kid. i just wanted to make huge armies and fight pirates.

also, welcome to /vr/. i had no idea city building threads were a thing, and im glad to see it.

>>1744654

>/cbg/ - City Building General
FUCK YEAH I FUCKING LOVE SIMCITY

>>1750845
Dude, stop, I'll cum in my pants. why do my cities never wind up that good?

>>1750892
Seems like there's a tested method behind getting this result. Whatever the case, wow, that's impressive.

>>1744770
>general

>>>/jp/

Just got back from a thrift store run and look what I got for $2.00USD.

A boxed copy of SimCity 2000 for DOS, with the manual, Maxis leaflet, and the original mail-order invoice all still inside! (guy bought the SimCity T-shirt, large, with it)

Would anyone like to trade SimCity 4 for RollerCoaster Tycoon: Deluxe on Steam?
I don't like SimCity as much as RollerCoaster Tycoon.

>>1751704
I love SimCity 2000, they have river and sea separated. Especially waterfall. Does SM4 has waterfall mod that actually looks great?

>>1750620
damn, those crazy yellow cracka fuck my mind again.

WHY NOBODY TOLD ME A TRAIN 9 WAS JUST ON STEAM ?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/285400/
TU9AEOGAHIGAEOGHAEGHUIOPGHUP

>>1748409
great game, but pretty damn easy against bots.

when i was younger it took me hours to get to 400 people, now i do that in 15 minutes.

>>1750497
I--I just wanna try my hand at finance again. I want to rule the rail market with an iron fist!

...And lose it all on the stock market.

>>1752934
Try Capitali$m 2.

>>1752765
Keep in mind: Degica's only released 1.0 Edition, not 2.0 or 3.0, which recently released over in Japan. Definitely get it, though, if you ain't got 1.0, because it'll be a bargain at the Summer Sale price-point or lower. There might be an English text patch for 3.0 any day now...who knows, the A-Train community's very spread out, news travels slow.

>>1752934
Railroad Tycoon for you, then. A-Train isn't about competing with other transit companies (though adding them in would be the logical evolutionary step for A10). You definitely get to abuse the stock market and compete financially, just not socio-economically for control of the local area.

Artdink should absolutely consider using multiplayer modes (play-by-email or play-by-block-of-time) to test out new concepts for transit competition and influence wars. I'd imagine it's the Japanese fanbase that would oppose this, since they prefer shiny new content and variety of ways to build their railway landscapes. A more competitive aspect wouldn't have to factor in until you've reached high-level play, anyway, or if you've filled out much of the map area and are maintaining a steady profit with upkeep and increasingly risky infrastructure.

>>1752701
I'm starting to think this too: AIV Evolution for the PS1 apparently has mouse support (Maxis' localization, by extension), meaning I can easily play the game like A-Train III if I wished to. Good thing they included an awesome early A-Train 5 engine with which to view maps in 3D. I also forgot it comes with English language support, and that the 3D view loads damn quickly. Take a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsTBR9oo3lQ

A-Train 2001 would be fun to play, but it would perform best on PC. At least there's mouse support.

>>1746437
Thanks a lot. I've played the original, 3K and 4 but never 2K. I'm worried I won't like it.

>>1752986
I've wondered about those games..

>>1753182
Actually I like the focus on building a successful company (or system really) more than competing against AI companies or other players. I enjoyed A-Train as a kid even though I was never any good at it. I've played the Tycoon games before but prefer other builders.
Hmm, play-by-time would be interesting, or like how Mechwarrior Tactics is doing their turn-based system....even though their platform is horrible.

>>1750845
which game is this one from specifically?

>>1753830
SC4. Still the king after all these years.

>>1753785
My sense is that Artdink's going to use the handheld A-Train games to pay for their PC titles, which means anything goes for new players getting into the series on 3DS. The next game could definitely try out multiplayer, if that's something we push for (this assumes Natsume would funnel fan feedback to Artdink).

>>1754780
What others games Artdink made I should try ?
(I'm getting a train 9 on Steam right now)

Hmmm, A-train 9 is looking mighty fine. Problem is, while I love building things I seem to have a terrible businesss sense- I mean I can barely turn a profit in OpenTTD or Rct2 (Simcity is swimming in cash centryl for me tho). How much will that be a detriment to my fun with the game?

>>1755269
Most of the basic buildings are built automatically by the game's AI, but it's your job to place specific kinds of buildings (offices, entertainment, &c.) wherever you feel there'll be the most economic benefit, either in bringing up real-estate values or simply maximizing profit from subsidies. So there's definitely an active role in building a city; just remember, the transit system you build takes priority, even though trains themselves take a long time to make a profit in any game. If money's an issue for you, try tinkering around in sandbox until you understand the interface and can get to a point where placing buildings is both practical and enjoyable alongside the rest of the game.

>>1755214
My quick and dirty suggestion is to check out Artdink's product page (https://www.artdink.co.jp/products/)) and see if there's anything you'd like to play. I'm guessing that, since this is a city-builder general we're posting in, you want more of Artdink's sim games. The Tokio series of games is much closer in concept to SimCity, albeit in a sci-fi setting that has limited geography to work with (making it more about urban planning than SimCity 4's terraforming). Of course, only A-Train's gotten English translations, so that's out of the ballpark for now.

Other Artdink stuff worth playing, in general: Lunatic Dawn series (Western-style CRPGs), How Many Robot games (AI-centric puzzle-sims), Carnage Heart/EXA (amazing series of robot-battling sims based around programming your bots), The Atlas/Neo Atlas (historical exploration sims), Far Side of the Moon (space strategy sim, wish this was translated).

>>1745298
Reminds me of the playstation version of simcity 2000 that let you drive through the city.

>>1756135
Streets of Simcity? I had that game for PC, it was fun making cities and then crusing around in them.

>>1756497
He's talking about a mode in SC2K on the PS that lets you view the city you've made in 3D from ground-level. There was something similar implemented for A-Train IV's PS port, except it was meant to give you a head-of-the-train view of the city.

One cool thing I've discovered about A-Train 5: you can pilot a helicopter (think SimCopter from that same year) in first-person-view around your city. With the right graphics card set-up, everything will scroll smoothly and flying around looks responsive and interesting. Footage's at the end of this 15 tutorial video set included with A5 Eternal, which also gives you an overview of the game's unique multi-window interface: http://polsy.org.uk/play/nico/?vidid=sm5676981

>>1756497
Nah, Streets was PC only (and fun as hell). The Playstation port of Simcity 2000 had an option that would put you in a car and drive you around the streets randomly in a 3D-rendered version of your city. If you looked left you'd see your weird baby-arm resting on the car window.

Weird...I don't why I keep thinking SimCity 4 has a 3D engine when it's mostly 2D graphics. Good thing they stuck to 2D, since A-Train's 3D is pretty inconsistent from game to game (2001/The 21st Century looks much more colorful and clean than A-Train 8's mess of dullness).

>>1757849
Simcity 4 does have a 3D engine, though. The buildings are just prerendered for higher detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy6e0zD4PEc

>0:00-3:59
>"That's a pretty neat map
>4:00 onwards
>"Oh lawd help me, why can't I hold all these trains"

I find it hard enough to plan 10 trains simultaneously, but this guy is taking it to the max

>>1758035
That makes sense too.

>>1758086
Dem platforms at 3:59. I wonder what the passengers must think, stepping up to those crowded platforms waiting to board the reverse train.

>>1758086
I felt a hint of the childish glee model trains used to give me when a kid while watching that

>>1748954
>>1748898
>>1748854
>>1748836
beautiful contribution to the thread. I have that scroll issue on artdink but didn't know about the space version. I got mesmerized by ARTDINK because of their boxart.

>>1756118
What game is this and how do I acquire it?

>>1760002
A-Train 7. It's not translated (patches have only been done for A8 and A9, so far as I know), but you can buy the digital download copy from Artdink's e-store w/PayPal here: http://www.artdink.co.jp/eshop/a7.html

>>1759384
Tokio gets two pages to itself in SCROLL 09, not sure how one misses it. And yes, their box-art was very distinctive in that era, still is (though using real-life photos is a lazy excuse not to have someone do a CG or scanned illustration...same thing with their tinny orchestral music).

>no one talks or cares about Impression Games city builders anymore

Apparently there's no demand for an ancient city builder anymore, what is this world coming to

>>1760656
Probably because Impression Games has been dead for over a decade now

There are still some ancient city builders popping up here and there

Funnily enough, Artdink made a Roman-themed city-builder a little while after the first Caesar came out over here (not sure if it was ever ported to J-PCs, though).

>>1760927
2green & 2lowdensity for the birds nest

>>1760927
How to DoF in SC4?

>>1761206
Photoshop

Damn, I love this thread and I love you guys. Gotta fire up Anno 1602 pronto.

What do you think is the best game marrying city building and public transport management? I used to abuse OTTD as a primitive city building simulator of sorts.

>>1760758
How is Children of Nile ?

>>1761224
You should try the A-Train games:
>>1745709
>>1745903
>>1750497
>>1753182
>>1756118

They were the first tycoon city-builder sims ever made (all the way back in 1990)! Also, A-Train 9's on Steam, though you'll need to download a release patch to make it playable past a set amount of time in-game. It's also the very first edition of A9, whereas Artdink just released 3.0 last month. Alternatively, you can wait for Natsume to release A-Train 3DS, or emulate a version of Maxis' A-Train III localization to play the classic game.

This series is all about using mass transit as an economic tool to build cities. You alternate between playing the stock market and managing train timetables to maximize profit, all the while placing/building expensive real-estate and coordinating that with bus/truck routes. It's challenging to get a great city up and running, as you'll have to directly transport building materials to areas where people will build certain things, or where you've specified something should be built. But though it takes a little longer to get into the groove of things, A-Train gives you a ridiculous amount of control over your city(ies) and the public transport system.

>>1744157
Should not these threads like all video game generals go to >>>/vg/?

>>1762081
This has been addressed; /vr/ has other generals, and the majority of games discussed here belong on /vr/. Also this thread would get bumped off the end of /vg/ fairly quickly by games and genres that aren't dead.

>>1762332
Wish I had the patience to grow my region to that size

>>1744615
Any sauce on that SC4 region? That must have taken weeks to get perfect.

>>1763342
Google tells me CSG did it: http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=9440.100

So, I'm on A train 9. Look great so far except for the way you build road and track.
Also, no pedestrians or traffic ?

>>1764306
>Also, no pedestrians or traffic ?

Oddly enough, that one tiny detail is what's holding me back from buying it this instant. I don't even know why it bothers me, it just does.

>>1764356
It's because it's part of the visual charm.
Also, it can help in the gameplay, since you can even control traffic light.

>>1764356
Some versions of A-Train have them, some don't. I'd imagine it's all tied to the engine Artdink builds for a game. A9's based off of A8, which just plain looked bad (lacked draw distance and polygonal detail, among other things). A-Train 3DS has peds, if not traffic (traffic, remember, always changes the dynamic of how you operate bus and truck routes for money). I agree that citizens add charm to the world, and I'd like to see them more visibly animated in A-Train 10. I don't see any families up doing aerobics in these games...yet.

Also, I bought some Artdink games from Ray Barnholt of SCROLLS. They just arrived yesterday evening, will have pics.

>mfw building a region in A-Train 9 with nothing but 2 factories and ¥200,000,000,000 to start with

>cbg moves to /vr/ without telling me
Aww shite, I was sure we're dead for good.

>>1764854
They told me

>>1764854
>mfw /cbg/ is still as slow as ever
>you will never see a 500+ /cbg/ thread on /vg/ again

Caesar 3 was the most fun i've ever had in any city building games.
What do you guys think about it?

>>1765648
I prefer Pharaoh.

>>1765653
I'm going to give it a shot.

>>1744157
I wanted to get Sim City for the DS. But I heard it stinks. Can anyone confirm?

>>1765729
Some like it, some don't. It's hit or miss really, but I'd stick with the PC versions.

>>1765659
Gameplay is pretty similar, but the farming is a bit different because the nile has a flood plain, and there are monuments that are awesome. In my eyes its everything C3 was, only more so.

>>1765729
I had it, it was boring. Simcity 3000 with less stuff and an awkward interface, and it runs slowly. No reason to play it unless you really need your city building fix in line at the grocery store.

Do you guys play together often?
And what games do you play the most?

>>1765854
SC4 with mods

>>1765854
This makes me wonder... Maybe we should set up an SC4 collab!

Since we moved I'll re-post this just in case, it's the pastebin with most of the links in it:
http://pastebin.com/wC8SStCF

Degica says they *hope* to release A-Train 9 3.0 within the next month: http://steamcommunity.com/app/285400/discussions/0/522728268695221693/#c45350791752106329

Not counting my chickens yet, but t'would be cool.

>>1764854
How did you find out?
Might be more like you who haven't found our new home.

>>1768885
Elevated rails are still fucking me up, especially because of them ramps. They don't really do what I want them to do

>>1758086
Damn looking at this remind me when i played snake on my old as fuck phone.

>>1768885
>tfw no torrent/dl for the 3.0

Front of Tokio, complete with the obi. Would have cost circa $120 in its day, I got it for a fourth of that price.

I'm thinking the captions for those stickers are related to copy protection. Either way, cool that they weren't wasted after 22-ish years. Brochure (daikichi) is cool as well. I can also confirm that Tokio has an in-game TV station you get to schedule...lol.

A-Train 5 doesn't have much in the box (Tokio's got a meaty plastic album box that could survive a natural disaster!). But it has nice Syd Mead artwork on the front.

I got the previous two items + DOS A-Train, AIV: Global Evolution (SLPS-0004, it's that old), and Navit for $29. Maxis' manual for A-Train III is really good so far.

>>1769996
I hope they do something about level crossings. There seems to be confusion over whether you can have them at all, or if rails and roads cannot intersect on the same elevation.

>>1765854
I'd be happy to do A-Train stuff with /cbg/. Definitely need to try SimCity 4 some time.

>>1765729
Don't know if it's good or not, but curious that they got Japanese devs to make the portable SimCity games.

Since Cities XL Platinum is 80% off on Steam, I decided the time now's good as any to get it and try it. What does /cbg/ think of it? Does it work as a game, or just as a pretty city building tool? Any essential mods?

>>1745903
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IAime213eA
>train turns right even though the switch is set to straight
this does not satisfy my autism

>>1765638

Me too

This isn't half-bad performance for a general moving to another, slower board. Seems like the last few thread on /vg/, according to Foolz, had low turnout. At least we've got Banished and A-Train to look forward to.

>>1772776
Very boring, there's no real "game" to it.

>>1774141
Agreed

>>1774080

>>1774181
Still remember that episode, lol.

I want to see a city-builder inspired by Rock Raiders, where there's also an economic/financial system to manage.

>>1774141
>>1774150
Well then, I'll just build pretty 3D cities, cause it seems to do that kinda well.

>>1774351
I really don't like the way zoning works. It feels so freakin' tedious unless you grid always

>>1775141
Even if you grid it's tediuous. If you want to go from low- to high-density zoning, you have to demolish the old buildings and plop new high-density zones, which are a different fixed size that doesn't fit with your low-density grid.

>>1775141
Zoning is tedious, along with plopping, in SC4 as well.

>>1777731
Only if you demand autistically rendered realistic cul-de-sacs. If you're just playing SC4 you can bound an area in roads and click-and-hold with the zoning tool.

>>1744957
A lot of modding communities are like this though. People are retarded.

Does the oldshoes 2014 modpack and that anon modpack have any overlap? Also, I guessing that installing mods is just as simple as dropping files in the plugins section. Am I right?

>>1778846
Other anon, oldshoes doesn't have NAM, right?

>>1779035
Not sure it is not stated in the OP and I have only downloaded the anon modpack so far.

>>1779035
NAM is in the oldshoes pack.

I did everything listed in the updates part of this page
>http://community.simtropolis.com/topic/31032-boggy1s-quick-guide-to-all-things-custom-content/#entry814453

But I is it ok to run the simcity 4 application in the main folder even though it says it is a older version than 1.1.640.0 version in the app file?

>>1779164
Give it a shot and see.

Remember to save often though as SC4 can be unstable as fuck with a lot of mods.

Any way to control what buildings are built in CIties XL-apart from manually placing them, that is.

I've been thinking about playing Simcity 4 lately. I remember always having problems with really long commute times. I know there's a way to change it that mechanic somehow(i've done it before.) however is it possible to play the game without mods and not have commute time issues. i think it was always why i had abandoned areas in my cities

>>1780565
Just install NAM and tweak the commute model, it is practically compulsory anyway

>>1779551
>>1779551
Okey dokey smokey

>>1779551
>>1781007
One thing that helps greatly with this is the SC4 Autosaver. Start it before you start Simcity and set it to an interval you're comfortable with.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/49805/SimCity4Autosaver.exe

>tfw no update from oldshoes in ages

I remember the first time I discovered tilesets. I had gotten the SC2K SE with SCURK Included. I remember messing around trying to draw high detail sprites, but one day in SC2k I saw the menu saying load tile sets and my world was changed forever...

>>1781365
I kinda want to to load some titles sets for myself, SC2k's buildings are amazing.

why you guys aren't on vg anymore?

>>1781816
Because the city building genre is dead and all but one of the worthwhile entries are retro.

>>1781816
There are nowhere near enough pages to contain all of vg.

I've been a bit behind, tonight I finally downloaded NAM. I've been trying to perfect making highways and networks with the Maxis roads for a few years, and now this has just overwhelmed me. It's incredible, but I just don't know where to begin on retrofitting the old infrastructure on my latest region project. I think I'm in love. Pic related, my lovely Maxis disaster.

>have over 2 gigs of mods
>about to install oldshoes pack

inb4 game takes a dump

>>1781816
/cbg/ is a slow thread, and /vg/ is a fast board.

All of our recent threads kept getting killed.

Well this is a thing.

>>1782471
You shouldn't have to retrofit anything with NAM, since it improves the AI regardless of road layout. I could be wrong, though.

That's a nice city, by the way. Could we get a picture of the whole region?

>>1783673
Wish I had a better picture of this thing. The inner city's districts are all going to be divided by those green belts, but I've only finished the core block and about half of the west block.
Mainly what I've been experimenting with is demolishing my older highway intersections and replacing them with the NAM ones. Also, I'm really racking my brain on how to get one of these high speed lines going throughout the main city.
But yes, the NAM fixes AI without replacing roads, I already have about 25% of my commuters as pedestrians, and about 10% on my subway lines.
But, yeah. Work in progress.

I just put all the mods from the anon's modpack and pasted them in the plugins folder and they seem to work perfectly fine surprisingly . I have two gripes though first there is sooo much stuff it is overwhelming and second all the mods seem to slow down the game a bit and it took me a minute to find the small park in the recreational option. Should I just deal with it?

>>1784864
The menus are pretty shitty for using tons of mods, it take me almost a full minute to scroll to the bottom of my park menu in my game even using the mouse wheel. There's really nothing you can do other than deleting the stuff you don't want.

>>1784864
>>1785240
The "misc transportation" and "parks" menus are worst, because most of the stuff lands there. Once you spend some time with it, you'll memorize icon positions and it won't be so bad.
Other than this, not much to do about it. I tried to keep folders named properly and organized, so as long as you do not touch the dependencies folder you can remove whatever mods you do not want/use and it shouldn't break the game.

Is there a mod that adds SC2000's music?

Oh look, the guy who ran the old A-Train fansite's still active: http://steamcommunity.com/app/285400/discussions/0/522728268991536300/#c41973820634909030

Does anyone know where I can download the original simcity 2000 shortcut icon? I can not find it anywhere.

Father of /vr/ here.

I gotta say its interesting that this is happening, i.e. people are moving threads from /vg/ over to /vr/ because of dropping off. I guess it's kinda cool and flattering in a way.

>>1785281
I miss that newspaper. But they didn't predict humanity will stop using paper in 2456.

>two equally-sized sectors
>same amount of water pumps for each sector, but purposely not enough to supply the whole designated sector
>connecting the two sectors makes one sector have no water even right next to the water pumps
>disconnected sectors make it easier to pinpoint where to add more pumps

>>1786774
That is really interesting why does it do that? Is it some sort of bug?

>>1786791
Just an artifact of how the waternet is processed, I can't see any way it'd be contrary to expected results.

>>1786774
Would I be correct in guessing that the pumps are located at the ends of the pipe segments that border the river? That is, the ones in the south and east corners?

If so, it looks like it's a simple "follow the pipe" algorithm based off a single watersource independent of the actual number of sources.

>>1786884
>Would I be correct in guessing that the pumps are located at the ends of the pipe segments that border the river? That is, the ones in the south and east corners?
yes

also what i've noticed, is that if you give your industrial zones a separate water system from your residental/commercial zones, you should get a bit less polution in the latter

WHO SIMFARM HERE?

>>1765729
I was so hype for this version when I first heard about it. Don't waste your money on it, re install SC3000 instead. I'm fairly sure it's cities might have been even smaller than even SimCity 2013, and it's clunky at best to play. I would have thought the DS would be able to handle a larger, more in depth game. If you can't tell, I'm still disappointed.

I wish I could play A train 3, but the interface is really dogshit.

>>1768885
finally.

>>1772776
>or just as a pretty city building tool?
It's this. Especially Cities Life 2012/13

How can I stop sucking at Yoot Tower ?

>>1788674
It's certainly not inviting, lol. The manual's a big help, I'd recommend finding a scan of it if you don't have it already.

>>1788694
Yes, but the map are too small, and the way you move the camera... god.

has anyone ever made an efficient rail/subway system in SC2k?

i can never hit 100 passengers per station with subs/rails, is it unachievable?

bump
>tfw /cbg/ almost dying even on /vr/

>>1748409
My favorite Anno game. Anyone here remember the old sunflowers forums? Then it got a pretty big graphical update, can't remember when it was shut down. After that was the Ubisoft forums, but that was closed after a while. There were a lot of regulars like Helen and the people behind the file depot. I used to be involved with the 1602 community a lot, but it's been so long now I can't remember much. It was a lot of fun, that's for sure. I wonder what those guys are up to.

Any essential CXL mods? It truly is a barebones game in the fun department, but eh, worth the six euros.

>See OpenTower is a thing that exist
>Go see it
>yfw

>>1791921
Well? What is your face when?

>>1787626
idk why but it's sort of broken. dont use an emulator . .. maybe thats why

>>1791921
>Go look for OpenTower because of this post
>Get a bunch of broken links
okay

>>1792139
A very disappointed one.

>>1744930
>A-Train
Those graphics are so fucking cool

>>1744930
Which A-Train should I start with? It gives me a Transport Tycoon vibe and I still love TT.

Heh, the amount of SC4 discussion decreased dramatically. Anyone got new screenies? Or a cool region to recommend?

>>1792650
A-Train for DOS/Amiga/Mac or A-Train 9, but be warned, these games do not play like TT. They're city-builders by way of building an transit economy, and the games are less inviting and more challenging than SimCity or OTTD. On the other hand, there's a decent amount more complexity to them that can be engaging to master. Locate the Maxis manual online, drop the game into DOSBox, and have fun!

>>1792857
City names are hard

>>1793162
I know that feel anon

>mfw /cbg/ will be as dead as openttd general soon

>>1792857
>>1793805
Don't worry yall I am going out to get some screenies of my terrible city. Here is a screen of my first SC2K city.

My wall sets stopped working for some reason

Prepare to cringe

what's the best way to play sim city 2000 on a modern pc? Dosbox doesn't work for my copy because it's the windows 95 version, and VMware is too slow.

>>1794052
GOG copy

>>1794052
I had the 95 version too; and if yours is like mine, the DOS version is still on the disc. Check the subdir and just copy the entire thing manually.

Little island edge town I started because I wanted to use those beaches right after I downloaded them.

>>1794371
Sexy, thought the the small trees under the mountain look kinda odd.

>>1794375
The farm trees?

>>1794383
Oh shit I did not notice that was a farm.

>>1794405
If it looks really weird I could just demolish it and have it grow something else, or just remove it.

This is the first town I actually put effort into to look nice and don't want it ruined with something that can be easily fixed.

>>1793162
Just grab a book with baby names, open a random page and choose one.

>>1793162
name them after quake levels

>>1794052
Grab the win95 SE edition that the kind anon linked above here >>1746437

no need for dosbox and works fine on win7, not sure if it works on win8

recommend me some SC2K tileset

>>1792348
Yeah, not sure why they can't use the original graphics. Still plays good, hopefully?

>>1794371
Pretty cozy.

>>1799838
That's real purdy right there

When should I let those rich bastards move into my city? (SC4)

>>1800492
When you plug in water, they'll come anyway. That should be around the time you first get education properly going

>>1800580
I've been with-holding water from my citizens to prevent rich sims from coming in. I want to know when I should supply them with water and let them in, like at a certain population or whatever.

>>1800662
Now that I think of it, the ideal moment may be when the demand for R$$$ business and hi-tech industry appears

>>1760927
>>1799838
am i doing it right

Banished mods when?

A yacht for a small pond

>>1801892
I wish the ponds in my area were that steep. The last big one in my part of Texas has already been remodeled into a bike park.

>>1801892

>Those rock textures

>>1787626
I loved that game, but it seems really fucked.
Its like sim ant, I think they were just badly made and were sorta counting on the fact hardware was shit.

Now I can run it 99999fps every frame on an SSD instant response machine, it has never been so laggy, and unresponsive.

Maybe its just the emulator? How is it running for you, anon?

>>1793805
OpenTTD you say?

Do you guys play OpenTTD? Do you have those helpful tutorial/infographics that got made?

Everyone online just curbstomps me.

>Oh look, just hit $1,000,000 Im doing amazing!
>One other guy online
>$999,999,999,999

Seriously, guys, seriously

So I've been thinking of getting into Sim City 4 again. What are some mods you guys would recommend?

>>1802443
Maybe you should try reading the OP?

>>1802430
it'll be nice once that mod's released

A-anyone know a cool city builder for android that doesn't suck nor is it pay to win?

>>1803391
Seconding. Office hours are long and there isn't enough work to fill 'em

>>1802430
We used to have an active OpenTTD /v/ group. The trick is recognizing profitable lines and building them before anyone else.

>>1804531
Also finding the two largest cities on opposite ends of the map and "claiming" them so you have an infinitely increasing source of money.

>>1802430
>>1767510

Posted my region earlier in the thread, but oh well, I'm trying to get some ideas here.
I've been trying to put some time into my little theater district. I've had a hard time attracting customers to the area, which forces the buildings to abandon quite easily. It's probably because I wedged it into an area between the park and the hospital, but even with the connection to the main East-West road on one side, and the residential districts on two sides, still really unattractive part of town. I like how it looks right now, just seeing if anyone else had an idea on how it could be set up better.
Also, still haven't upgraded my roads to the RHW ones just yet, but I've been planning to do that just one area of town at a time so I'm not overwhelmed. Might be a good idea to rip up the freeway and replace it soon.

>>1805024

Condos between the entertainment district and the park. Think just to the left of the softball field and left of the pagoda style building as well.

>>1805034
I'm going to try and force it to be a bit more R$$$ in this neighborhood and get more of that condo feel, but it already seems like it's helping a lot. Haven't seen any vacancy problems yet. Thanks!

>>1805024
While I admire the idea of having a theater district I do not think it is going to work unless you move them away from those unattractive areas.. Maybe don't have the theaters too close together and the roads that lead to the Theaters might need to redone.

>>1805230
I might just keep banging my head against it until it looks better, but you are probably right that it won't work here, haha. It's kind of baffling me that this area is so Low R$ right now, since it's sandwiched between the CBD and the main hospital. I really like the location, right now. But I might have to move it entirely from this side of the city. My desirability rating for high wealth residential and commerce is solid in the area too. But i'll certainly take your advice on the road network. I was thinking about making the avenue on the right redirect into the district, kind of force the traffic pattern to enter the area. This is kind of what I'm thinking right now.

The canal kit in Oldshoes' pack seems to lack any sort of piece to transition to regular-ass water. Anyone knows if any exist?

This is my forth city I have worked on and I have finally avoided the urge to plop zones randomly. I am sure there is many ways to make this city more efficient but I am still working on it.

I think the roads between the Industrial districts and the residential districts is too long. Since these roads are too long they are a waste of space where I could of put resident zones down instead. It doesn't help that about 1/3 of the map is water though, thus making it harder to plan out my city.

I am going to take a few more photos and post em here for feed back.

>>1808359

>>1808421

>>1808431
Please excuse the bad screenshots.

>>1808421
>>1808431
>>1808443

looks cozy. The transmission lines look a bit out of place in the subdivisions though.

>>1808561
Thanks for reminding me, those were suppose to be temporary.

>>1805151
That castle is amazing. Where you get it?

Umm guys, SimCity 4 is not retro.

>>1810065
It was off of STEX http://community.simtropolis.com/files/file/3483-matsumoto-castle/ I really love all of the color in this lot, makes it pop out.

>>1810096
> released 11½ years ago

How old is retro?

r8 my city m8s

>>1810161

Read the sticky.

>>1810096
Get over it, we are secretly talking about SC2000K with SC4 titlesets.
>>1810193
Looks nice I like the seawall.

>>1810261
Thanks, have a full shot of the island.

>>1810265
Is this Anon?

>>1810273
Yes, it's Anno 1602, also known as 1602 A.D. First game in the series.

>>1810274
Also the best game in the series.

>>1810278
Eh, 1404 with the I.A.A.M mod is probably the best in the series. 1602 has the best aesthetics in my opinion. 1503 is also pretty great.

>>1806309
The only canal to water piece I know of is the simgoober spillway, but that really doesn't always look to good and It isn't even retextured with the darker water rerelease.

>>1744675
enable the beta options. one of the beta updates made it a -lot- better.

And how the hell is Banished retro? Why don't you autists go back to /vg/?

>>1810407
Sure we do that and the thread will bumped off of the board within a hour. Us citybuilders have no other home.

Also, why isn't a 2000K mod suggestions in the OP? Sure I know SC4 is superior in every way except not having a newspaper but 2000K has some nice title sets.

>>1810407
Oh piss off, our threads immediately drop off /vg/, and this is the second bwst suited board to our ded genre and ded general.

>>1810569
Suggest some and I'll put it in the next OP.

By the way, what's the bump limit on /vr/?

>>1810653
I am not familiar with 2000k title sets, there doesn't seem to be a single website only for 2000k sets and modding. I thought the lot of you guys have a lot of experience with 2000k.

Also, I have a question about industrial zoning in SC4. What is the most efficient way to zone industrial sectors so that you do not waste space? SC4 is not like 2000k where many industrial titles were just one block.

>http://www.rimba.com/sim/sim2_downloadindex.html
>http://www.sc3000.com/sc2000/scurk/fulltils.cfm
>http://www.theshrubbery.com/simcity/2kbuildings.html
>http://lorencio.hypermart.net/P0404.html

Here are some simcity 2000k tilesets links.

Just play text-based Banished here

I hate collecting wood

I wonder if Hammurabi from the '60s is still worth playing.

Boop

>>1813680
What is the brown road by the school and the futball field?

>>1813753
Looks like a brick road.

>>1813761
Damn I really like it! Is it in the anon modpack? If not can you post the link to it?

>>1813768
It's included in the NAM

Sierra city builders anyone?

>>1813916
Any city builders

>>1744615
I love how it almost looks like a real satellite image.

Not quite /vr/ I know but, is there any newish city building games that don't suck ass?
SimCity 4 is a no-go because despite all the command line options and running no mods besides NAM, it just crashes every 5 minutes.

It just makes me more angry at SC 2013. Why couldn't SC 2013 have been good instead of watered down barely working shit?

>>1814404
>Why couldn't SC 2013 have been good instead of watered down barely working shit?

Because at some point in the last ten years, EA forgot how to make video games.

>>1814453
No, they just learned how to make money.

>>1814404
>SimCity 4 is a no-go because despite all the command line options and running no mods besides NAM, it just crashes every 5 minutes.

Sucks for you, I can play for hours before a crash. You have it set to only one core right?

>>1814482
It means the same thing.

>>1814404
Citybound seems promising, though it's not even in alpha yet

Has anybody checked out the game Factorio? It's not a city builder per se, but it gives a similar style of enjoyment.

Is there something in Tropico 5 that causes your citizens to stop eating? I have six ranches, multiple plantations and a grocery by every apartment cluster, but food happiness is still at zero

>>1814525
Yeah. Still crashes. I almost wish the new Mac OS version update that came out recently got back ported to PC since it made it run well on multiple cores and let you select higher resolutions innately.

Open letter to EA.

>>1814886
now build on it

>>1814482
Didn't Sim City 4 sold better ?

>>1814696
>I almost wish the new Mac OS version update that came out recently got back ported to PC since it made it run well on multiple cores and let you select higher resolutions innately.

Is this a official update?

What city builders exist there for linux?

>Feel free to discuss city building games from series such as SimCity, Cities XL, Anno, Tropico, Pharaoh, OpenTTD, Banished, Citybound, or any others. Limit discussions to the games themselves.

Almost none of these games are retro.

>>1817103
Cities XL is so poorly coded it may as well be.

Post more cities.

>>1817436
I like that elevated avenue. What lots are those under it?

>>1817496
http://sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=2315
Those.

>>1817550
Thanks!

>>1744675
>>1744157
Has /cbg/ ever heard of the Cultures series?
Its a lot like Banished, although more forgiving.

>>1817097
pls respond

>>1817103
Would you guys piss off with the NOT MUH RETRO whining? /cbg/ is now on /vr/ because it's a slow general for a dead genre, deal with it.

>>1817895
Superior to the Settlers series, IMO. I found Settlers ultimately shallow as shit in its resource management.

>>1818831
This isn't /vr/ - slow generals for modern instances of dead genres, it's /vr/ - retro games.

>>1818852
The treshold for 'retro' is arbitrary as shit. Simcity 4 is 11 years old. That's old enough I say.

>>1818867
And you have a non-arbitrary threshold you'd like to propose, I assume?

>>1818869
Not that guy, but how about
>Old enough that Gamestop won't bother with it.

Which puts us, what, two or three generations short of "current"?

>>1818125
Not really cb but there is openTTD.
Other than that your best shot is running any of the games in wine, dosbox or a VM.

>>1818997
Much as I agree, that definition would include every PC game that isn't from Blizzard.

>>1818867
>I'm too dumb to read the mods post
Read this >>1392415 and kill yourself

>>1819356
Yes, I read it. And 1999 is an arbitrary as fuck treshold for what is retro. Now stop sperging here or go and whine to the mods to ban our evil nonretro thread.

We are reanimating the SC4 Multiplayer via dropbox. Drop me an email if you wanna join us. Also join the chat at http://steamcommunity.com/groups/simcitymulti

>>1819431
Aaaaand of course this is happening when my computer is wrecked and I'm trying to figure out which part to replace

>>1819369
Yeah you're right let's let everyone decide what's retro for themselves, rules are st00pid.
>>/b/

>>1819431

We're just setting up the plugins for this right now, only 3 people in so far.

Does anybody here know if it's safe to have cities border on corners? or does there have to be 1 tile spacing all the way around? This will determine how many people we can fit in the region

>>1819458
As I said: stop sperging here and go and whine to the mods if this thread is such an eyesore to you.

>/cbg/ migrated to /vr/

H-hello.

>>1820232
>gif
the 'retro' part only applies to games

>>1820232
>something like that is happening to where I live
I used to think it was nice to live 5 minutes from a hospital.

>>1820379
My uncle lived in Singapore when it started taking levels in badass.

>>1810096
>UMMM!!! UMMMMMMM!!! UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!! UMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!! UMMMM!!! UMMMMMMMM!!! UMMMMMMMMM!!!!
If you were to say that shit in real life I'd probably brick your windows in for it, or at least find a way to make you lose your job or something else equally fitting. You don't deserve a happy life until you meet certain standards, and that includes not umming on the fucking internet.

I don't know why but when I play SC4, entire districts get abandoned due to a lack of employees, and the residential demand stays too low for anything to be built, and sometimes entire residential districts just turn into detroit, should I be building more parks and such or is there another way to jack up demand?

>>1820450
Um, dude, you might want to see a shrink about that. You, uh, seem to have a bit of an obsession.

Oh, that's why these threads aren't on /vg/ anymore.

>>1820450
Make sure you are developing cities in adjacent districts, and that you have RR to output manufactured shit to those suburbs. That goes a long way.

>>1820584
>railroads
Shit that explains a lot.

>>1744616
>It's like they don't take into consideration existing traffic at all and only add to the congestion instead of taking a different route.
Unless it was changed (and a cursory browsing of the Simcity forums indicate it hasn't) the reason they congest so badly is because of how the job/house/store seeking works: every sim attempts to go to the nearest available location, regardless of what other sims are doing. That means you can wind up with a big ol' conga line of workers heading for a single small store and when it fills up they all redirect to the next closest one.

This is also why you can have buildings that run out of wealth even in a city with job surpluses; at the end of the day, the workers all head home to the nearest houses first. Or as some other observant anon put it, the game treats sims exactly the same way it treats sewage.

>>1820572
Because they can't keep up with the activity on /vg/ any more.

Yeah Im new to Simcity 4

r8 my Faggotopia

>>1821531
Flat/10.

>>1821531
9/11

There any COOP city builder games I could play with my 9year old cousin?

>>1748409
I played the shit out of the demo. My friend and I still quote "Your people are demanding the full version." "Your people need a school"

One time I convinced the history teacher to let me play it during computer time, because it was historical in nature.

>>1821574
Rape Factory XL: The Rapening

Hey /cbg/ how do you like the newer Anno games? I'm interested in Anno 2070, since I'm super into futuristic city building. I just wanna know in plain terms, would you recommend it?

>>1821709
Anno is fine if you're into minmaxing and super efficiency. It's a game about logistics, so if that's your thing you'll love it

>>1821709
1602 is still the best

>>1821574
monopoly

Started a new city.

Solar Roads? is there a mod.
>Also
why isn't this in /VG/

>>1822736
Threads kept dying due to /vg/'s batshit post speed and the majority of the genre is now old as shit. Thus, thread fled to /vr/

Where can I find an original SimCity 2000 for Windows 9x that hasn't ben modified to run on NT systems?

I put together a Pentium 3 Windows 98 box for retro gaming, but all I can find is stuff that GOG tampered with to run on XP and newer.

>>1822785
Tried the download from myabandonware?

>>1822559
I kept looking for a dick and couldn't find it.

>>1822803
>myabandonware

Thanks, I hadn't tried that site. This is actually my first time posting on /vr/, I don't know what resources you guys use.

It says it's just the demo, but at least it's something.

We're playing Simcity4 multiplayer with /v/irgins, post your email to join in.

Does this count as a city builder?
Does anyone ever want to play it multiplayer?

>>1821574
Lego

So first time here, and I need your help.
I've never played /cgb/ games aside from 1 hour of SC4 because I'm shit at them. I don't know what to do, maybe I'm just too dumb.
Anywho, I've wondered if you could maybe tell me some good beginners' /cbg/ games who could run on a shitty laptop. I don't mind if it's retro or visually lacking or anything, I want some games for a steady learning curve to help me tackle some games like SC4 or another more complex ones later.
Can you help me ?

>Want to switch from Maxis Highways to RHWs
>There are like a gorillion pieces for RHW

>>1823439
>I don't mind if it's retro or visually lacking or anything, I want some games for a steady learning curve to help me tackle some games like SC4 or another more complex ones later.
Mobility
It's free, it's fun and can teach you how to play both SimCity and Transport Tycoon at the same time (both are top5 building games)

>>1814404
Settlers 6 is actually pretty decent. Also Anno 2070 is pretty good. But they're more focused on economy, still possible to make beautiful cities in them.

>>1823865
>Mobility

Is that the freeware game that DaimlerChrysler made back in like 2000?
That was weird. Also probably the most autistically realistic a city builder transport simulation will ever get.

>>1824003
I don't think a game will ever touch transport as deep as they did in Mobility
But the city building stuff was pretty easy and comfy.

>>1821531
water treatment doesn't work that way

Do you really need to build freeways in SC4?

I'm building around only 5 cities anyway

Great thread!
I'd like to see more your cities.

>>1825615

I'm pretty new to this game and I'm having a problem. Smaller rural towns and a big industrial town are thriving in my region, but for some reason my starter city of 90,000 has decayed and now under 60,000 sims live there.

I can't find a way of halting this decline and my city has basically turned into Detroit with abandoned housing and industry etc.

Can I fix this? I rushed into creating the starter city and so it evolved organically rather than following any coherent plan. Should I just knock it down and rebuild?

Any help will be appreciated.

How

>>1825736
Sim City 4 by the way. I thought I wrote that in the post.

>>1825716
what a coincidence, my city also has blocks askew to the highway/main road

>>1825736
What is the demand for Industry and Commercial?
Remember sims will go to the closest jobs to them, even if that means going outside the city into another sector.

>>1825803
There's no demand for any commercial or any industry.

I figured building a big industrial & commercial town to the south of my city would lead to population growth, but it has lead to decline.

Perhaps I overextended this starter city before I should have.

Which Sim City game is a good one to start with?

I own 2000, but it confuses me, and I also own sim city 4, but it can be a pain in the arse at times.

>>1825790
This makes me want to play Streets of Sim City again.

>>1825986
My first was 3000, so I'm a bit biased towards it.

>>1825986
>but it confuses me
why's that

I've been playing Sim City on SNES lately and I really want more city building. Should I find Sim City 2000 or Sim City 3 or 4? I thought 4 was the shitty new EA one.

>>1826871
>was the shitty new EA one.

That would be Simcity 2013

>>1826871
>EA one.

Hmmmm?

Maxis has been with EA for a long time. Hell, even Will wright wasn't involved in Simcity which is the best game.

>>1827452
simcity4

Take this thread to /vg/ as it's clearly labeled a general thread and stop clogging /vr/

Is it possible to run Sim City 3000 in a windowed mode?

>>1827476
The generals here aren't going to gather interest in /vg/.

Take your autism pills, and just deal with it. Let the communities for older games have a thread to gather to.

You're the only one shitting the board up.

>>1827476
>Being this buttblasted because of one word.

Lord have mercy. I'm going to attempt to install Streets of Sim City tonight.

>>1827617
sc3u.exe -w