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lol

I'd tap that ass. I'd so tap that ass. Elly is the hottest thing in JRPGs.

Why is Xenogears so shitty?

>>1728213
Because of Evangelion.

Run through the cold of the night
As passion burns in your heart

>>1728213
Because of Disc 2

>>1728501
basically this

>>1728213
Because of disc 1

>>1728213
Because FF8 stole its budget.

>>1728213
Because it was rushed and incomplete.
But it's a cool series to obsess over since there's so much untapped potential in there.

>>1728213
Fuck you say, niggah!?

>>1728084
>glad I didnt die a virgin like those other noobs
>implying Citan wasn't fucking Yui erry night
>implying Bart wasn't fucking his niece erry night
>implying Ramsus wasn't fucking Miang erry night

Xenogears sure did have a lot of sex for a jarpig.

Get on my level, scrub.

>>1728887
Why was the remake so shitty?

>>1728907
I'm guessing devas had no faith in the original game so they changed things to make it better and tripped over their own dicks.

Shame because I love Lufia 2 so much. I've played more gift mode than I'm willing to admit.

>>1728907
When was there a remake of Lufia 2?

>>1728926

FUCK THAT CARD GAME FUCK IT SO MUCH ASGJSHDKGDSGJDKGJHFD

>>1728205
What a goofy looking shit.

>>1728907
Because it was developed by Square-Enix.

>>1728959
I'm 90% sure that the company who developed the DS version was the same Neverland who made the SNES game.

Doesn't matter, though, after that game and a couple of Rune Factories, they went bankrupt.

>>1728907
Never played the remake. How much did they change the story?

>>1728865
Ramsus liked getting pegged while being called trash by Miang.

>>1728349
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faJMFBBlvJs

I always tear up when I listen to this.

>>1728865
Cousin, not niece. Still creepy, though.

>>1728998
It was co-developed by Neverland and Square Enix, and published by SE in Japan.

>>1729005
It was changed completely. It's a reimagining more than a remake.

>>1728084

As a European I never had the chance to play it. But in the magazines I read at that time, they considered Xenogears to have the best scenario ever. On the other hand they told that they didn't have time to finish the game properly and at some point, it became botched. Is that true?

>>1729736
the game had a small budget because it wasn't final fantasy. they also got way too ambitious and in order to meet deadlines and fit within the budget, the last 25% of the game was kinda rushed. The first 75% of the game is golden though, and the last 25% (which is disc 2) isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

They tried to correct this by fleshing out things more in a design archive called Perfect Works. This was kinda a "we're sorry about the last quarter of the game, here is a book that helps things a bit".

>>1729736
>they didn't have time to finish the game properly and at some point, it became botched. Is that true?

Near the end of the game there's a very, very long sequence where the main characters sit on wooden chairs and explain what adventures they experienced over images of said adventures on the background, instead of, you know, letting you play these adventures. They explain a bunch of stuff and they tell you they do a bunch of stuff so the final part of the story makes sense. That's why eerybody thinks they ran out of budget and just tied things up together.

The weird thing is, there's two extra dungeons in Xenogears. If they had time for that, I'm not sure why they couldn't find a better way to advance the story instead of having characters tell you "alright, here's what we did next, but you're never gonna get to play it!"

>>1728084
But that is Rossil from TTGL!!

>>1729757
Also, there was an italian fan translation or something going on and they found a bunch of unfinished dialogue and cutscenes still in the game.
Hell the whole Stars and Tears videoclip and vocal song was finished, but no one knows when it was supposed to be used. It was pretty clearly rushed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWOysygnZUk

>>1729774
they removed that opening scene because Takahashi felt it would make the beginning of the game too cutscene heavy.

Funny enough he didn't seem to care about that at all in Xenosaga Episode I.

>>1729774
>>1729779
oh also that videoclip is just bunches of the animated scenes of the game. its fan made. the song isnt though.

If you're really interested in the making of Xenogears.....

http://xeno-underground.net/wiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=wiki:history_of_xeno_part01.htm.pdf

>>1729791
You're right, as for the removed scenes:
http://www.xgam.org/xenogears/uncut/debugroom.php

Xenogears was supposed to be 6 episodes that spanned 3 games. Xenogears (and in extension, Perfect Works), are episodes 2-5, with episode 5 taking center stage.

Takahashi's next game was going to be a prequel, aka Xenogears Episode 1, but Square didn't approve of it due to Xenogears sales slightly missing the mark, and because of Squares focus on Final Fantasy.

He then went to Namco and made Monolith Soft with desire to make a 6 episode game series much like he wanted to do with Xenogears, but this time have it span 6 games (not necessarily 1 game per episode, though). This was Xenosaga. Pretty much Takahashi wanted to complete his 6 episode Xenogears tale as well as make a reimagining of Xenogears (presumably episodes 3 and 4 would be this).

Thing is they kinda fucked up. Xenosaga Episode 1 only told about 20% of what episode I was supposed to be, meaning they had some serious catch up to do. They then decided that instead of the game spanning all 6 episodes, they would just focus on completing the originally envisioned Episode 1.

So if you want to visualize all of this, the 3 Xenosaga games are Episode 1, Xenogears is 2-5, and Episode 6 was never told. The Xenosaga franchise was supposed to be 6 games, probably 2 games per each of these 3 circles.

>>1729841
>They then decided that instead of the game spanning all 6 episodes

Meant "They then decided that instead of the series spanning all 6 episodes"

Also Xenosaga went from 6 games to 4 games to 3 games, all due to a variety of factors, including poor sales.

>>1729841
And xenoblade doesn't really have any relation, right? I know this is a stupid question.

>>1729857
Xenoblade has no relation whatsoever, not even on a subtle level. There are themes though that are shared between Xenogears/Xenosaga and Xenoblade.

>>1729774
they made an Italian translation, but more importantly, they released the tools they used. someone could even make a retranslation in english
the cutscenes on the undub patch weren't actually retranslated. it's just subtitles of the english dialog

>>1729791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlI6l0GH_7M

>>1729794
that's from A.C's site
theres some of it on archive.org but unfortunately its not complete.
sucks. i really enjoyed reading there. got any more?

>>1729987
This wiki has a few things, but its not complete in the slightest and it's hard to navigate. I had to register and click site index at the left to find some things.

http://xeno-underground.net/wiki/doku.php?id=start

heres the index which contains everything uploaded I believe http://xeno-underground.net/wiki/doku.php?id=start&do=index

zenogias

>>1729757
>If they had time for that, I'm not sure why they couldn't find a better way to advance the story
Game design isn't linear, odds are they had those end dungeons finished before Square gave them the bad news; that's when they had to just paste together scenarios however they could.