/vr/ - Retro Games

REAL link to last thread >>1707443

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NEWS
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-Doom 4 Trailer here. It's damn true. http://youtu.be/0C4F1h-HSXU.. Further details will be shown at Quakecon.

-Don't forget to watch this year's Summer Games Done Quick, as it's going to feature Doom 64 and an Ultimate Doom race! Check the schedule here https://gamesdonequick.com/schedule.. The past AGDQ featured Plutonia (Go 2 It included) and a Doom 2 race. To rewatch said games, see this link http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQcxg3SUqlYBoSYrpNJVu58GsoCXMREa1..

-Doom 2: In Name Only represents everyone's wishes of playing the Doom 2 maps in a more literal way. It just got an /idgames link now! Check the thread here. http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1124737

-Metroid Dreadnought IS OUT! GO GET DEM TUUUBES - http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4561&pid=61847#pid61847

-Also The Space Pirate got an update! Check the latest ver. here! https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxbbtKR5bll_anFPaVhUQVZqcnM/edit?usp=sharing And be sure to check this tutorial http://youtu.be/mrFF8LCZw5Y

-Some anons are doing a 200 min. speedmapping challenge; vanilla compatible (Doom 2 format), no custom textures and MUST be done in 200 mins and have an exit; ask in the thread f/details!

-Wanna see John Romero deathmatching in 2014? This happened at GDC http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXkipPv0b4KMKE7z3WwlYYUCDLACNoYfE..

-HDoom has its 5th techdemo! happy now? http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=m12-hdoom-techdemo5.pk3

Mods that also got updated

Hideous Destructor - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=12973
Pirate Doom - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=32674
DoomRL Arsenal - http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=37044


ATTENTION! If you know about something news-worthy, PLEASE reply to this post so everyone can see it

>(other retro FPS games also welcome, chances are we played 'em too)

Duke Hard released for Duke Nukem 3D.
It's a 17maps community episode by the Duke4 community (involved 15 mappers and 17 people total).
Requires EDuke32.

MODDB page (video trailer, screenshots, and of course download link with instructions on how to installation&play) :
http://www.moddb.com/mods/duke-hard

Enjoy!

>>1712353
"Unsupported QR Code" said the 3DS

>>1712353
How long does it take to make the levels?

>>1712378
hurr

>>1712396
Depends how big and detailed you want to make it. Some of the mappers say they made their maps pretty fast for the episode like map05 in around 8 hours, map15 in 11hours.

The boss map took me 5-6 days of non stop mapping and it's only about 5-7 mins of gameplay.

however I got into Doom mapping (using Doombuilder2) recently and I have to say Duke3D mapping takes a lot more time and is a lot more complicated.
It's mainly due to how you have more freedom, and can do a lot more things in Duke3D. For instance, you don't do 'sector based' shading (which is pretty fast; but also very limiting), you do wall-based shading (you have to shade every surface individually).
Also, since Duke3D has tons of effects, they're a lot harder to make. For instance, to make a basic swing door you need to tag the sector properly, then add a special sprite which you have to tag properly to set the right effect (and that sprite has to be at the right spot and at the right angle so the door opens the way you want it), then if you want sound you need to add another effect sprite and tag it according to both the start and stop sounds you want. You CAN also add another effect sprite controlling speed of the door.
Compared to Doom doors which are all the same kind and which is as simple as 'tag the wall'
Also, even though mapster32 has added tons of very useful small features which make mapping easier and more comfortable; it still uses the old DOS interface based on obscure key combinaisons. It's not as user friendly and easy to understand as modern Doom map editors.

So what capabilities does EDuke have that Doom could benafit from?

>>1712484
This is just a very small feature but it's all i can think of right now (i'm not the best person to talk about eduke32's awesome features since i'm mainly a 'classic style' guy; but basically I heard you can do anything you want with eduke32. someone even made a prototype shmup).

in mapster32, in 3D mode, when holding right click (or space) it 'locks' what you are editing; so you can keep editing it without having to worry whether you're still aiming at it or not.

AFAIK this feature isn't in Doombuilder 2 and imo it's very convenient. Especially when you want to do some major height changes for a sector, with no locking feature, you constantly have to go up alongside the sector.

>>1712484
Voxle mapping, you can speckle this around to enhance wall graphics and such with a touch of real texture

>>1712538
didn't someone already make some walls/switches in voxels for zdoom?

>>1712578
Hmm... I do know that EDuke still has abilities most Doom engines lack, I just wish I could recall them

>>1712609
wild guess: dynamic shadows?
that's really the only think i can think of

I'm trying to finish Doom 2 on Ultra Violence. It's a lot harder than Doom on UV.

What's the best way to take care of the meatball daemons? Those little shitballs with arms really got me mad as piss. I bully the shit out of them and make a fight, but I usually end up with a face full of flaming skull.

>>1712640
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJcf0aOwmiA&index=4&list=PLQcxg3SUqlYBoSYrpNJVu58GsoCXMREa1

>>1712640
>meatball daemons

haha that's a cute name.

I'm guessing you're playing a standard source port right? There's no limit to the amount of dudes a Pain Elemental can shoot out. In the original game, there was a limit. The levels are balanced around that limit. Go into compatibility thing and set things to Doom Strict. Makes it easier.

Otehrwise:

>chainsaw
>get up close to their face so they can't shoot lost souls
>Double barrel shotty, or rocket,
>target Pain Elemental FIRST

>>1712640
You're not bullying them enough. Don't just come close, make them choke on your pelvic areas. They don't bite, so your buttcheeks are safe even when meatballs are sucking at them.

>>1712649
>>get up close
>rocket
does not compute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-p4PALFpZc
HOT DAMN

>>1712654

Not at the same time silly.

>>1712651
On UV I usually end up having to fight 2 of them at once. Or they'll show up over a pit / nukage / floating up high. That's when I run into trouble.

>>1712664
At long range, plasmagun should be your best friend.

>>1712648
That Doom64 speedrun video reminds me. Is there a wad with Doom64 levels, but classic visuals and sounds? I can't stand Doom64's ones. I honestly tried several times, but I can't just bear it past the first level.

>>1712667
That's your best friend for everything in Doom.

The "Go play KDITD from start to finish on UV ironman (no saving, restart if you die), then post your final time, ss of finish screen, or even a demo here" challenge is still ongoing for people that want to give it a shot, or give it a second attempt.. It's not sourceport specific, so do it in whatever you want, though PrBoom+ makes it easy to record demos.

How to record Demos in PrBoom+:

Create a shortcut to the .exe and then modify the shortcut to have the following

"[path]" -file [wad] -complevel [number] -skill [number] -warp [number] -record [demoname]

so for instance to make the demo "vre1.lmp" my shortcut was

"C:\Program Files\prboom-plus-2.5.1.3\prboom-plus.exe" -iwad doom -complevel 9 -skill 4 -warp 1 -record vre1

People that have done it:

https://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1707443/#1709516
https://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1707443/#1709721
https://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1707443/#1709756
https://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1707443/#1710652
https://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1707443/#1710894
https://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1707443/#1710947

Imma try to manage a lower time later tonight.

>>1710947
>Well, E1 is easy for almost any kind of retarded and not so gameplay.

That's the point, we're speedrunning an episode everyone is guaranteed to be familiar with and even those that aren't as good as some of the people here can still complete. If I said "go ironman episode 3 of hell revealed" we would have far less people doing it.

I have no idea what I should do for Sam's unique.

Serious Bomb just seems like it would be too OP.

>>1712668
I like some aspects of the visuals but others like the double bladed chainsaw bug me, quad barrle super shotty though, that was kinda neat, also liked the remade Pinky and pain elemential, and the unmaker

>>1712683
How about a Serious Pack?

Okay so Doombuilder 2's Visual Mode is making my dick hard

>Playing DoomRPG with DoomRLA
>Random Class, got Scout
>Build Revolver
>Find Cowboy Armor (I can't remember what it was called, it boosts Revolver damage)

HOLY SHIT I AM 1-SHOTTING EVERYTHING UP TO BARONS

Man, these mods are so much fun.

Any news on the Doom EU drama?

>>1712683

How about an item that kicks in the "MOOOOOORRRREEEEE"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aBAy9cOdKM

Makes accuracy, firing rate, and damage SERIOUS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD2oM6J8-5k

Well this sounds good. I should download this. I'd like to use it in the game proper.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/nemistade/id836522817

>selling Doom covers

Is this even remotely legal? The songs are already borderline covers as it is. He didn't really make the songs so I don't think he should be able to profit from them.

Is there a way to extract the audio from the .mp4 without any loss of quality?

>>1712756
>Revolver Ocelot fights his way thrue hell to rescue Big Boss
Six Shots enough to kill any demon

>>1712683
>another awful addon class
No please stop Jesh.
Every fucking time you add another useless class.
Hell, the fucking addon is not even balanced.
There are already too many gay / unbalanced / unfinished addon classes out there.

I cannot think of one single good Samsara addon classes. Yours suck, Donalds suck, that Strifeguy sucks (who made him anyways), Doom64guy sucks.

>>1712827
Yeah he dives into hell to find that Big Boss has already forged a new Outer Heaven in hell

>>1712756
>>1712827
>"THE COLT SINGLE ACTION ARMY, THE GREATEST HANDGUN EVER MADE, SIX SHOTS, ENOUGH TO KILL ANYTHING THAT WALKS"

>>1712846

That's not Jesh, you idiot.

>>1712846
>I cannot think of one single good Samsara addon classes.
katarn
also why the fuck do you think that's jesh

>>1712859

>Western FPS

That should be a thing.

>knife
>6 shot revolver
>dynamite
>long range winchester

>levels consist of going through towns/mines/farms/countryside clearing out bandits
>bandits on horses
>ride horses

>>1712874
>What is Call of Juarez

>>1712878

I meant like 2D/3D. It'd work well with Doom level graphics I feel.

>>1712891

>What is Outlaws

(no horses though)

>>1711402

Errr... If you think of me making the voxel... I think that thats gonna have to wait till summer.

>>1712894
>>What is Outlaws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odNueZ2ru5k

Man those weapons are just hideous. Someone should make a TC, and then make better weapon models.

>>1712873
>katarn

>>1712903

I admit the weapons look a bit like ass, but the game is great and the music is awesome.

>>1712903
>make a TC

Is there a list of TCs using Doom source ports? In principle all the 2D/3D games could be ported to that engine right?

We've sort of hit the limit of the Doom engine really. We should focus on a new engine. Like the EX engine.

>>1712948
>We've sort of hit the limit of the Doom engine really.

Nope.
We need to go deeper.

>>1712948
In my opinion, we've hardly scratched the surface.
But what if we could port Doom to other engines?

>>1712903

Someone made an outlaws mod for Doom already, complete with that HUD and stamina system

>>1712974

Link?

Did it port all the maps and music too or just made it replace the enemies?

>>1712973
>In my opinion, we've hardly scratched the surface.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOg0BhlIvyQ

>you will never see Doom 1 +2 remade in this quality ever

>>1712973
While I'm on the subject of porting games to different engines..

http://www.gameranx.com/features/id/8993/article/mind-blown-16-games-in-a-different-graphics-engine/#p1

>>1712990
I've seen this vid so many times
Never ceases to blow my mind

>>1713027
>Each example needs its own page
Why the fuck do people do this
Why

>>1713035

I think it's because it's one of the few Doom mods where someone bothers to make new 3D stuff. Most everything is either rehashing stuff from other games, or 2D.

>>1712979

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=726039#p726039

Mainly gameplay mod but it's a start

>>1713035
>>1712990

Is there any stuff in there we can cannabalize for Doom stuff?

>>1713050

It's made in Doom.

>>1712979
>>1713049

Ooh wait, looks like it includes a music pack too

>>1713037
More ads!

>>1713058
>It's made in Doom.

I know that. I mean could we canabalize anything for either enhancement Doom mods, or our own mods?

>>1713050
Yes.. the engines themselves.
We could make stuff like this.

This sort of thing most likely will never happen unless we start it.[/motivationalspeech]

>>1713083

It's because few of us know jack about 3D modelling.

The game itself looks like another one of those Slendaman spooky games that I can't stand. it works really well as a tech demo.

Is there any limit as to what you can put into the Doom engine through sourceports like GZDoom?

Does Brutal Doom have its own campaign yet? It really feels like it should have its own thing, and storyline.

>>1713113

No, and I doubt it ever will.
What in the world could a Brutal Doom-specific campaign offer that just any ZDoom-emphatic mapset can't do?

>>1713050
>>1712484
Just listen to yourselves.

Anytime something shows up, your immediate reaction is
>ANYTHING WORTH STEALING ???

Like >>1713043 said; this is like the only Doom mod ever that actually bothers to create all its own content from scratch, but the only thing you think of is "CAN'T WAIT TO STEAL THIS SHIT!"

It's like that site the community use as a resource of "free" textures/enemies/etc ; it has content taken from plenty of different games, either with shitty edits or as is, but NEVER with credits saying where the original come from.

Even ZDoom itselft has stolen, like the slope code illegaly taken from another game without crediting it.

Look at yourself through a mirror. You are worse than Sonic "ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL" fanbase.

>>1713043
I think its that people like the 2.5 D look of the doom sprites.

>>1713130

I do too. But detailed 3D models that looked as good would be amazing.

>>1713125
>Even ZDoom itselft has stolen, like the slope code illegaly taken from another game without crediting it.
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=495208&#p495208

>>1713125

>not using old stuff to create something new

>>1713113
Well.. sort of..
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=32929

>>1713125
Look out everyone, we've got a Master Baiter over here.

>>1713113
I had some ideas, but I was going to start small with my own designs for the enemies and stuff, I had this plot that involved different factions of hell viying for dominance after they deposed satan, the largest faction led by his daughter, Sin

>>1713181

>new monsters
>new story

It should be something like that. Brutal doom seems nice, but it strays too much from standard doom. It feels like some sequel to Doom that pays homage to it but goes nuts.

>>1713181
what would this do for brutal doom that can't be done with any other gameplay mod

>>1713158
Ill consider looking into it as a later project

>>1713193

Most of us are too untalented to do anything really good.

>>1713125
8/10, deserves to be copypasta

>>1712802

in order to have drama you should be talking about something that wasn't expected to happen

Yet another Doom Bible project failing wasn't that much of a big news, to be honest

>>1713125
>Just listen to yourselves.
>Anytime something shows up, your immediate reaction is
>>ANYTHING WORTH STEALING ???

People want the engine to get new features? Scandalous!

>Like >>1713043 said; this is like the only Doom mod ever that actually bothers to create all its own content from scratch, but the only thing you think of is "CAN'T WAIT TO STEAL THIS SHIT!"

There have been plenty of Doom mods that have created their own content, including 3D stuff.

2D stuff is numerous to list, but off the top of my head Risen3D's models and ZanZan (no, ZanZan isn't Zandronum)

>It's like that site the community use as a resource of "free" textures/enemies/etc ; it has content taken from plenty of different games, either with shitty edits or as is, but NEVER with credits saying where the original come from.

Except everyone in the ZDoom community is fanatical about crediting sources. You will get your project taken down and possibly banned if you don't provide a credits list. You'll be outright banned if you claim the work of others as your own, either from inside or outside the Doom community. Most mods and maps have extremely exhaustive credits lists.

>Even ZDoom itselft has stolen, like the slope code illegaly taken from another game without crediting it.

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=495208&#p495208

>This seems to be a common misconception. Build draws slopes vertically, just like walls, and suffers from some terrible cache thrashing as a result. ZDoom draws them horizontally, just like regular flats. The code is quite different, and ZDoom was drawing slopes before the Build source was ever released. ZDoom even uses Michael Abrash's fdiv trick for doing the perspective divide in parallel with the rendering.

>Look at yourself through a mirror. You are worse than Sonic "ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL" fanbase.

Except most ZDoom stuff is free to use by others in the community, with credit. The entire engine and all the mods are fucking free too.

>>1713204
touché

>>1713125
>Look at yourself through a mirror. You are worse than Sonic "ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL" fanbase.

At least we PUT EFFORT into our OC's.

>>1713186
Sadly nothing much it was a plot idea I was kicking around but I knew that when I made the monsters and stuff Id want to ensure it had compatability with BD or had elements of it integrated, the lore I'm crafted is a blend of over the top grim derp and classical works like Paradise lost and The Divine Comedy

>>1713198
I'm just getting started but have a vested interest in learning, it may not be soon but Ill get to it

>>1713125
>Look at yourself through a mirror. You are worse than Sonic "ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL" fanbase.

Not really. The Doom community would be "ORIGINAL CHARACTER EDIT [SONIC (c) SEGA], FREE TO USE (GIBE CREDIT PLZ)"

>>1712891
Why does it have to be in Doom? Just play another game anon.

>>1713206
Do not engage the shitposter troll.

>>1712683

And so it begins...

>>1712846

There's nothing to be worried about, trust me.

>>1713204
Yes but. Didn't this one have some actual promise before Crowdfundinggate poisoned the well?

Sup, Metroid Map updated, I'm bad at outdoor areas, But let me know what you guys think so far, If it needs anything, Kisses to people who find both secrets.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20454382/MetroidMap1.1.wad


Reposting my separate maps again, because there are still more people to agitate.

Part 1: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20454382/closet.wad

Part 2: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20454382/ThereAreNoSkeletonsInThisMap.wad

Part 3: [Unfinished] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20454382/Skeletonbetav1.1.wad

>>1713257
Forgot to mention the metroid map uses resources from metroiddreadnought-levels-v1,pk3

>>1713246

It's not Donald either, idiot.

>>1713247

>Didn't this one have some actual promise

Being the most optimistic motherfucker on gawd's green earth, I must declare that I'm also realistic.

Let's get things clear, all it would take to finish Mordeth is JUST the right person who gets in contact with Lahaut, studies the level design of the first episode, and he'll get the second episode actually done. On the other hand, the Doom Bible project just...it just refuses to get done on a pre-release form

And let us not forget that a person involved in said project also started out a Boom mapping project focused on redoing KDIZD in an attempt to "mock" Tormentor, and lo and behold, not even the first map has been fucking done.

Now let's see Metroid: Dreadnought, what happened? A random person asked something to Terminus via Tumblr, and fucking BAM! Months later? We got an almost complete TC.

>>1713257
>that more decorated spawn area
>that long elevator ride down
>that bleary-ass outside area
>one monster through the entire map
>the entire suspense just building up

FUCKING HELL
MY DICK

also terminus sent a texture pack to other mappers. by his own admission it's bloated all to fuck, but you might find more options in there to help

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dg31gbf1zsq5yzf/projectmetroid-textures.pk3

>>1713278
Noone mentioned him, aka the report-ignore-shitposter.
Are you retarded or merely pretending to be? If so, thats pathetic.

>>1713257
Lookin very good. Especially the elevator part.

>>1713257

Oh shit.
This is magnificent.
In Metroid Prime 3 there were originally supposed to be side missions where Samus was going to head off to another planet, trek through an area or two, and hunt down a bounty for cash. Sort of quick popcorn "instant action" things.

This would be perfect for something like that.

>>1713257
Why yes I would like more of this

>>1713257
My only issue is that some of the edges in the spawn room doesn't have textures.
Other than that, It's a beautiful map.

Rise of the Triad and System Shock 2 are for sale on GoG right now.

Two days left

>>1707980

>>1712396
I made CEO Bathhouse and I managed to do it in an afternoon, but I didn't want to be too ambitious.

>>1712484
I would go into an effort post, but I think it would be wasted effort.

Basically Zdoom is fairly case specific, you can get detailed things going but from what I understand it's all workarounds and stuff involving inventory.

Eduke32 gives you absolute control over just about anything. You can code anything you want, but the flip side is that you have to do alot of work yourself since there's only a very small amount of hardcoded features available. Getting a friendly AI in Doom for instance is easy as fuck, but you have to code your own system from scratch in Duke. Same goes for hub systems, the base code is there but you have to make your own to do anything with it.

There's no built in reloading or alt-fire either, but the beauty is that you're not limited by the way GZdoom do it either if you do it yourself from scratch.

I can go into more detail if anybody wants to hear more.

>>1713105
One of the things I hate the most about modding is when some fucking jackass comes along and says "WELL WHY DON'T YOU MAKE IT YOURSELF"

the whole point of using stuff from other places is because we can't fucking make it ourselves (or even if we could it would look so atrocious nobody would want to see it)

>>1713287
Yeah, it's kinda luck but sometimes you luck out and find the right person with the right amount of drive to push you through and actually see the light of day with a release. sometime's it's not easy sharing your baby with another person but when it works it gets shit done.

my stuff would of been dead without another mapper coming along and filling in when the rest of the team went missing.

>>1713287
>Now let's see Metroid: Dreadnought, what happened? A random person asked something to Terminus via Tumblr, and fucking BAM! Months later? We got an almost complete TC.

Wait, what?

>>1712681
>skill 4
isn't skill 4 nightmare?

>>1713495
The command line parameter is 1-based, so 4 is UV.

Does a single Archvile warrent the BFG?

>>1712327
>*25 cents gives you 21.4 seconds.

>>1713525
Yes. It's the only thing that oneshots them.

>>1713525

Depends on the situation, if it appeared suddenly and just made your situaition from normal to oh shit wtfdoido then I'd say yea.

If an archie is running you down a corridor, thats a good time too.

>>1713525
If it's a room with sufficient wall/pillar cover and no other demons, you could reasonably fist them to death.

>>1712874
You should play Fistful of Frags. I heard it's super fun in a simple and funny way.

>>1713037
I have no script on, they are all on the same page, they wouldn't get more ad hits.

Over the top jquery kek
(though it might be for mobiles for easier browsing)

Why do people insist on trying to do "Doom Bible" wads for Doom (as in based on released Doom principles)? You need talking, reading and a lot slower pacing. And frankly you can do much better and go further if you base it on Strife (again as in design principles).

>>1713113
It actually has two. One of them already has a 13 map demo released, and includes new monsters, new weapons, new fatalities, new marines, and some maps with objectives and scripted sequences.

fb page:
pages/Brutal-Doom-Beyond-hell-and-earth/609278359086854

Dumping Doom related pics 'till I found the one I'm looking for in my drive (which isn't related to Doom since it has non-/vr/ stuff and yadda yadda)

>what's gooooood, Doomguy!?

Quick, someone name 3 random lesser known map packs.

>>1713723
Ring of Fire? That's

Why don't we have a 24/7 server yet

>>1713749
What is Gordon's pkmn? Mr Mime?

>>1713761

>>1713760

Because nobody can decide on something that would be unanimously enjoyed.
If we play co-op, someone bitches that it should/shouldn't be survival.
If we play DM, someone (bafflingly) bitches that we never do DM servers and/or that we're all casuals.
If we play with mods, someone bitches that we're playing the wrong/bad mods.
If we play without mods, someone bitches that we're not having fun the right away.

And that's not even getting into the eternal headache of "what mapset to use".

>>1713767
no, that's doomguy's
the requester also asked for freeman's

>>1713773
is it possible to build a system that lets you automatically switch wads?

>>1713786
Odamex has the capabilities. None others.

>>1713786

The closest thing we could do is load up 12-in-1 survival, load up a non-map01-map32 DM mapset, load up a varied gameplay mod that allows for switching between normal/fancy play as desired, and then have a very attentive admin that pays attention to when people want to play DM/co-op and swap gameplay/maps accordingly.

>>1713760
We did, still kinda do but they're not often tagged "/vr/". It's just that a lot of people started playing zdoom mods and singleplayer, understandably so since most zandronum mods are mostly far lower in quality and are limited in what they can do.

I'd like to play some more zandronum; I'm just observing what's happened.

do you remember, /doom/?

>>1713791
I might look into something. I have a server I can use that can run 24/7 without issue. Use it for a website and 4 minecraft servers, so it's gotta handle some serious CPU strain. Doom would be a drop in the bucket.

>>1713786
It would be sweet to have a randomly rotating set of wads that come up, and players get to vote on which one they want to play.

An interesting comic. Check the author. Masters of Doom has more info on this

>>1713818
Thanks for compressing that to hell and back. Did you dig this out of the depths of phobos?

>>1713820

actually, yes, because that came from web.archive.org; the same goes with this other pic

from the oldest webshot of idsoftware.com

>>>/g/42640079

th-th-they are making fun of us

>>1713832

So what?

>>1713832
>one /g/ troll gets told by everyone else he's a dumbass

Shit man, there's the eternal CRT thread folks and we have plenty of /diy/-like folks doing MAME cabs as well.

Also
>Check Quest 2

I wonder how many peeps still own this t-shirt

Top quality bait on /v/ right now.
>>>/v/250051068

>>1713874
>esports
Meh.

>>1713257

I just love your maps. Never stop making this stuff.

What would /vr/ do if they heard this playing on a Doom map?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsX6HllTQPY

still dumpan pics

I need some help.
So this is the red torch voxel. It uses decorate and sprites for the flame. this is the decorate:

ACTOR VP_RedTorch replaces RedTorch
{
Radius 16
Height 64
+SOLID
states
{
Spawn:
TRED AABBCCDD 1 BRIGHT A_SpawnItemEx("VP_RedFlame", random(-2, 2), random(-2, 2), 58, 0, 0, 1)
loop
}
}

ACTOR VP_RedFlame
{
radius 2
height 2
mass 400
-SOLID
+NOGRAVITY
// renderstyle add
states
{
Spawn:
REDF ABCDEFGGG 2 BRIGHT
stop
}
}

question: How do I make the fire spawn higher/lower? changing "height" had no effect

>>1713904
>question: How do I make the fire spawn higher/lower?

Change the "58" in A_SpawnItemEx.

>>1713928
thanks, now I can do some neat stuff

GREETING MORTAL...

...ARE YOU READY TO DIE?

>>1713428
>but you have to code your own system from scratch in Duke. Same goes for hub systems, the base code is there but you have to make your own to do anything with it.
>There's no built in reloading or alt-fire either, but the beauty is that you're not limited by the way GZdoom do it either if you do it yourself from scratch.

Is there a repository of code for other Duke mappers/modders or do people at least include source code when they release stuff?

It seems like that would be almost be as good as the ease of use of ZDoom's stuff with the benefit of much greater flexibility then. But if people hoard all their code it wouldn't work.

ARE YOU READY TO DIE?

Sorry,wrong screenshot

>>1713978

So I just tried Doom Rising, and no matter how much ammo I pick up the counter still says I have none, also it crashed after the first level

Question,how do i play serpent resurrection with hexercise/WoC/WoC+hexercise combo?

When i load them i get a big mess because the RPG options from the wad combined with WoC's RPG elements and no Hexercise's alt fire because alt fire is Serpent's RPG menu

>>1714027
>playing three completely unrelated wads together

oh
my
fucking
hell

>>1714027
It sounds like there are probably conflicts and someone would have to throw together a compatibility patch, unless the conflicts are too great in which case they'd also have to remove some parts of one or more mods as well.

>>1714027
They have no chance of working together because of how much was changed from just Serpent Resurrection.

>>1713221
some good... eh interesting old stuff.
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?file=docs/misc/dtnc.zip

>>1713985
>But if people hoard all their code it wouldn't work.
EDuke32 scripting is interpreted, like JavaScript. It is technically possible to strip out all the formatting and human-readable labels, but that hasn't been seen since the DOS days.

However, the Duke community despises the Doom community's tendency to rip off everyone and everything. Looking at someone else's code to learn is one thing, but ripping it off wholesale is unheard of.

ZBlood? A sacrilege to Monolith Software's Blood. It's worse than Doom's and Blood's worst qualities combined.
Aeons of Death? An abomination. Literally nothing is original--every 90s FPS makes an appearance in some mangled form. Imagine the Ripley 7 from Alien Resurrection.

Look at this way: We are open about sharing and knowledge, but we value integrity and ingenuity in creating your own content. There are no plans to create a "code repository" because such cookie-cutter modding is cancer.

If you can't handle the ropes without stealing code from someone else, *you shouldn't be modding*.

>>1713951
Oh sweet jesus, that is sexy as fuck.

>>1713446
>the whole point of using stuff from other places is because we can't fucking make it ourselves

How about, you get a bunch of modders together and produce something amazing together, instead of stealing art and code from others and releasing lackluster, forgettable content because you can't cover all of the aspects as thoroughly alone as you could with a proper team?

>>1714093
Brutal Doom (apparently) takes content from every source possible, and it's conisdered even there to be a pretty good mod (as long as you don't claim it's "Vanilla 2.0", because that will get you rightfully lynched).

Sure AoD is shit, but does it really harm anyone? You look at it, you say "Oh. it's shit" and you forget about it.

>>1714093

Okay, let's pretend that someone is resourceful enough to be able to get an entire team together. Someone who can handle art, someone who can handle sounds, someone who can handle code, someone who can handle PR, etc.
What are the chances they all want to work on one single thing?
And what are the chances that all of them are dedicated and aren't just going to sit back with ADHD and work on everything except that?
And what are the chances that they all work smoothly together as a team?

>>1714104
Apparently pretty good, since that's basically how Doom was made in the first place and how lots of small teams go on to make their own games.

Or you could be like the guy ho created Cave Story and just make everything yourself from scratch.

>>1714076
it's ok to think that, but that hinders development and goes against the current way to code

while it makes rip-offs impossible, some mods become inviable due to having to build from zero

>>1714104
>Okay, let's pretend that someone is resourceful enough to be able to get an entire team together.
>And what are the chances that they all work smoothly together as a team?

By definition, a team is more than the sum of its parts. A team is not a gathering of random Doomtards who happen to be skilled in the different aspects of modding. Instead, a team is a group of people who are cooperative and interested in the same goal.

>someone who can handle PR

Idiot.

>>1714112
>>1714117
Oh so you basically want mod teams to be the next id software okay yeah good luck with whatever mod you're guaranteed to not be working on

>>1714112
>Or you could be like the guy ho created Cave Story and just make everything yourself from scratch.
On a somewhat related note I wish Eriance would get some help with his Demon Eclipse.

He's just tackling everything on his own and it makes me sad

>>1714121
>wanting mod teams to create original content, something done ALL THE TIME, is wrong
Actual retard

>>1714114
We actually have a thread of free-to-use resources called the "Community Stockpile" for beginners to start somewhere.

What's key is that the permission for sharing is *explicit*. Not implicit, as it is in the Doom community.

>>1714126
sure

>>1714104

>And what are the chances that all of them are dedicated and aren't just going to sit back with ADHD and work on everything except that?

Don't search for people in the DOOM community then?

>>1714087
Yeah, but for some reason heretic prefers yellowish fires, so it had to be changed. Pity.

>>1714140
>>1713951
I like both.
They look cozy.

Is it hard to voxelize everything?
I've been wondering this since you seem to work really fast.

>>1714076
>EDuke32 scripting is interpreted, like JavaScript. It is technically possible to strip out all the formatting and human-readable labels, but that hasn't been seen since the DOS days.

Ah, so you'd have to go grab each file you wanted to examine and see how they did something. Still seems like a code repository would speed things up so people aren't separately duplicating functionality. Maybe even a library of common functions.

>However, the Duke community despises the Doom community's tendency to rip off everyone and everything. Looking at someone else's code to learn is one thing, but ripping it off wholesale is unheard of.

See, this is where I don't understand the different use of "ripping off." I wouldn't consider using someone else's work while crediting them to be ripping off.

If you're using something saying "this is my work" when it isn't, that's obviously unacceptable but I don't get the mentality that someone using someone's work while crediting that person is somehow bad or makes the original worse. Plus for some simple things there would probably be a limited amount of ways to similar ways to code it, and with people having not to use others' code it seems like you would end up with less than optimal coding for some stuff, all for the sake of originality.

>ZBlood? A sacrilege to Monolith Software's Blood. It's worse than Doom's and Blood's worst qualities combined.
>Aeons of Death? An abomination. Literally nothing is original--every 90s FPS makes an appearance in some mangled form. Imagine the Ripley 7 from Alien Resurrection.

Again, I don't see the reason these are "sacrilege." Neither is my cup of tea, but since neither claims others' work as their own I don't have a problem with them. They don't denigrate the original works they're using stuff from.

cont.

>>1714076
>>1714145

>Look at this way: We are open about sharing and knowledge, but we value integrity and ingenuity in creating your own content. There are no plans to create a "code repository" because such cookie-cutter modding is cancer.

See what I said above about efficiency and preventing people from separately duplicating functionality, which is pretty much 100% lost time. That's a lot of time and energy lost for the sake of originality, especially if the end results are identical or nearly so for the player.

>If you can't handle the ropes without stealing code from someone else, *you shouldn't be modding*.

I don't think this is a good mentality to have. You probably end up with a lot less people modding, including noobs that will eventually become experienced modders, because of it. You're basically requiring people to know how to code before taking up modding, which severely limits the pool of potential modders.

Does the Doom community have a lot of crappy content? Yes.

But we also have a ton of great content, and it's because of the ease of use, the same reason there's so much crappy content. It's worth it to me, and others in the community, to have to ignore the crappy content for the wealth of good content that gets produced.

>>1714145
>I wouldn't consider using someone else's work while crediting them to be ripping off.

If the original author has not given explicit permission, it's ripping off. Credit itself does not absolve you.

>They don't denigrate the original works they're using stuff from.

On the contrary, ZBlood is more visible to the Doom community than the original game, to the point where it's considered original content out of ignorance.

>>1714157
>On the contrary, ZBlood is more visible to the Doom community than the original game, to the point where it's considered original content out of ignorance.
wot
who actually thinks that

>>1714149
>I don't think this is a good mentality to have. You probably end up with a lot less people modding, including noobs that will eventually become experienced modders, because of it.

Nothing says users can't experiment on their own. But no one should be releasing finished products that amount to nothing more than regurgitated turds.

>>1714142
I'm fast cause I do easy stuff mainly and use great tools ( it took hours back when it was slab6 only).
It's pretty fast even when it's someone's fist try

slow down
grab the wall
wiggle like yo tryna make dat ass fall off

>>1714161

Literally nobody.
But I guess the armchair expert ran out of ways to tell us how we should mod a 20-year-old game.

>>1714175
>trying to do things in slab6 only
Only the dead can know peace from this hell.

>>1714093
>How about, you get a bunch of modders together and produce something amazing together, instead of stealing art and code from others and releasing lackluster, forgettable content because you can't cover all of the aspects as thoroughly alone as you could with a proper team?

>>1714126
>>wanting mod teams to create original content, something done ALL THE TIME, is wrong

Here's the thing you're either failing to understand or willfully ignoring:

Everything released in the Doom community is entirely noncommercial, something done in people's spare time for fun, released for free. Anything done with ZDoom is in practice unable to be sold. Sure you can sell just the IWAD and then have an installer that downloads everything , but that's a pretty silly workaround for something that would sell for, at most, a dollar or two. And probably be shunned by the community and pirated to here and back.

There are a handful of Doom projects that use entirely 100% original sprites, sounds, textures and other assets. 100% code if you count decorate as "original code."

But most of the teams that would go to the effort to make entirely original assets (something even a large percentage of indie games don't do, instead opting to license stuff) will actually want to sell their work, something the Build Engine allows but ZDoom doesn't. This is why you usually don't see dedicated teams working to create entirely original work for free, because it has to be done for love of the game solely, which isn't as much of a driving force as money.

What you do see are plenty of mods or maps that have partially original work, or even 100% original sprites, art, textures, music, sounds or code, but usually not all of them at once.

>>1714194
Have you tried the new tools, aka Magicavoxel, m8?

I know you haven't been moding that much recently, but have you fidgeted with it?

>>1714093
Why is anyone still responding this shitposter? Where are the janitors?

>>1714196
>But most of the teams that would go to the effort to make entirely original assets (something even a large percentage of indie games don't do, instead opting to license stuff) will actually want to sell their work, something the Build Engine allows but ZDoom doesn't. This is why you usually don't see dedicated teams working to create entirely original work for free, because it has to be done for love of the game solely, which isn't as much of a driving force as money.
Number of Build Engine mods released for money: 0

>>1714207
I haven't been messing with voxels in a good while since I've been mostly focusing on sprite work, but you've intrigued me. I haven't even heard of magicvoxel. I've been making .mdl files and converting them to voxels using mdl2voxel. I might give this program a whirl.

>>1714157
>If the original author has not given explicit permission, it's ripping off. Credit itself does not absolve you.

And most of the Doom community respects permission. The people that don't are usually ostracized. There's no way to proactively prevent people from using stuff without permission until they make their project known, and even then it might not be known at first due to unfamiliarity with the stolen work or (in most cases) limited visibility of the work using the assets. Use of commercial assets falls under fair use.

I still don't understand the mentality of people that restrict the use of their code when their code is written in a proprietary language for an open-source engine that wouldn't even be available to them if others before them had the same mentality that they do.

>>They don't denigrate the original works they're using stuff from.
>On the contrary, ZBlood is more visible to the Doom community than the original game, to the point where it's considered original content out of ignorance.

I don't think that's true, but if someone is that ignorant to early FPS then I don't think they would know about the original Blood anyway, so it's probably a step from the awareness they would have had otherwise. And they can always learn about Blood later on.

This probably wouldn't be anywhere near the case if the Blood source code had just been released already. In fact I doubt ZBlood would even exist.

>>1714163
>Nothing says users can't experiment on their own. But no one should be releasing finished products that amount to nothing more than regurgitated turds.

The vast majority of crappy work is given crappy reception and forgotten. A select few are memorialized for being exceptionally crappy.

But there's literally no way to prevent people from releasing "crappy finished projects" unless all the Doom community forums start having all project posts require moderator approval before getting posted, which seems like a bad thing to do.

>>1714209
Report the shitposter and they'll come.

>>1714212

Confirmed for talking out of your ass. Pic related. And it's hardly the only one.
Also confirmed for never having released anything notable throughout the entire lifespan of either games, which obviously makes you the perfect person to sit back in your chair and tell others the ~*~one true proper way to mod~*~.

inb4 "i-i-i have too i j-just don't want to sh-sh-show you!" or "y-you don't need to m-mod in order to c-criticize how to m-make them!"

>>1714224
NAM isn't a mod, shithead. GT Interactive contracted the makers of Platoon TC to make a full game. In any case, this is unrelated to
>something the Build Engine allows but ZDoom doesn't
because said quote refers to each engine's respective source code licenses.

There is a weird part of me that wants to play this piece of shit badly, on multiplayer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPYpNDRhlqI

>>1714224
Published by a legit company, the same company which published Blood and Duke Nukem 3D: Plutonium Pak. It's pretty significantly different from stealing artwork from a game and trying to sell a DOOM mod done with the art to unsuspecting victims. What are you smoking?

>>1714212
>Number of Build Engine mods released for money: 0

The build engine allows commercial licensing though, and when something is 100% original assets (or at least 100% mixture of original assets and licensed assets) it's no longer a "mod," but rather a "game."

How many Build Engine games have been released commercially?

How many Build Engine mods have been released with 100% original assets? 100% original sprites, 100% original sounds, 100% original music, 100% original textures, 100% original maps, and 100% original code, all at once?

>>1714227
>>1714234

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NULjIGunKKk

Oh shit, you're right, sorry. I was completely blinded by how much of a full game and not-Duke-Nukem-3D this was.

>>1714149
>>1714145
>sake of originality
>end results are identical

So what you're saying, is that even if you piss on originality and rip all artwork from god knows what game this time, it's the basically identical as doing everything from scratch with love and care?

>>1714236
>>1714235

The BUILD engine has never been licensed after the release of its source code in 2000. Any comment about published BUILD games, NAM or otherwise, is irrelevant.

>>1714249
For clarity, the terms of the BUILD source code license are entirely different from the format licensing agreements enacted for all the BUILD games, Witchaven through WWII GI.

>>1714249

Oh man, this fucking backpedaling.

just fucking report him holy shit

>>1714245
I think you're being intentionally obtuse, but I'm talking specifically about code in those instances.

And yes, if someone codes something from scratch with love and care (say a gun that reloads after 5 shots), and someone codes the same functionality by ripping someone else off, and yet a third someone codes something with the same functionality from scratch with love and care but in an entirely different manner which is original when compared to the first guy, then yes it is basically identical for the player.

The player can't tell how something was coded, only what the code does.

>>1714187
If you ask a random Zandronumtard about Blood, this misconception is what you'll get. It occurs regularly in servers. It was all over the Skulltag forums too, but they're gone.

Report and ignore.

>>1714036
the / mean or,i didn't mean to combine the same mods twice

>>1714268
>If you ask a random Zandronumtard about Blood, this misconception is what you'll get. It occurs regularly in servers.

You know, normally I'd just call you a shithead, but I decided to put your claim to the test.
I asked a pool of ten different Zandro users about what they thought of ZBlood. For the sake of reference, I decided to go in five servers and ask five IRC users. You know, for fairness.

Three told me to fuck off.
Four told me it was a port of Blood to Doom.
Two told me that it was a port of Blood to Zandronum.
And one never answered.

So, no, actually, you're still a shithead.

>>1713889
Thanks man, And I love you and your mod~

>>1714263
I guess this is a big gripe for me when it comes to DOOM modding, everything has to be about guns and explosions and how many of each people can fit into one mod. It's like some sort of a Michael Bay kindergarten.

I want to see something fresh and innovative, come on.

>>1714249
>>1714256
The question still stands:
>How many Build Engine mods have been released with 100% original assets? 100% original sprites, 100% original sounds, 100% original music, 100% original textures, 100% original maps, and 100% original code, all at once?

You're basically saying all mods MUST be 100% original everything to be worth a shit.

At that point they're their own game, and not a mod anymore. And even still, there have been a number of Doom mods that have done that, or very close to it.

>>1714286
Well to be fair, that's sorta what Doom was about in the first place, killing big things with big guns. I'm not sure what exactly more you want from it.

>>1714235
>The build engine allows commercial licensing though
Open to the general public through personal negotiation with Ken Silverman, according to its 2000 source code release.
>How many Build Engine games have been released commercially?
All of them before the source code. They are not mods.

It's like calling Doom 2 a mod because it's based on Doom 1, even though it's a new campaign and things have been added.

>>1714292
You have a powerhouse of an engine (speed-wise when it came to rendering back in the day), that's supposedly very expendable.

Like not everyone licenses the Unreal Engine and just churns out Unreal clones until the end of time.

Take an easily modded engine and create your dream game. I see a lot of posts here talking about how people would love to fix issues in their favourite games, why don't they take those ideas and roll out with it, possibly creating something beautiful in the process - all while being happy with their own output as well.

>>1714286
>I guess this is a big gripe for me when it comes to DOOM modding, everything has to be about guns and explosions and how many of each people can fit into one mod. It's like some sort of a Michael Bay kindergarten.

I'm not saying they have to be about guns, but in my simplified example in >>1714263, the third guy would have benefited from using the first guys code, or at least using it as a base to do something very similar, and been able to move on to other aspects of his project more quickly and got more done in the long run.

Sure it means the second guy also gets to use the code, and will make unoriginal shlock, but who cares? Fuck him, he can be ignored, his mod will probably fall to the wayside and if not it will only be popular among other shitheads, probably all in a shithead clan together.

>I want to see something fresh and innovative, come on.

There are plenty of fresh and innovative things being done in Doom modding. If you selectively focus on crap though you're not gonna see it.

>>1714286
Have you tried any of the creepy/atmospheric wads out there? Like Buttpain or Haunted Forest (or whatever it's called)?

>>1714279
>Implying Anon's <4 minute poll is at all trustworthy.

>>1714296
The more important part of that post is

>How many Build Engine mods have been released with 100% original assets? 100% original sprites, 100% original sounds, 100% original music, 100% original textures, 100% original maps, and 100% original code, all at once?

Because like I said in >>1714290 at that point they're their own game, and not a mod anymore.

>It's like calling Doom 2 a mod because it's based on Doom 1, even though it's a new campaign and things have been added.

But for anyone that isn't id Software, if they made Doom 2 when Doom 2 didn't exist, it could only be released as a mod without id's permission.

What you're basically asking when you say "how come nobody releases Doom mods with 100% original assets?" is "Why doesn't anyone or any group create an entirely standalone game in the limiting ZDoom engine, then release it entirely for free?"

>>1714245
Alright I've been looking at this for a while and it's about time you sit down and listen to a little story here.

So I'm a coder. I've been doing this for a few years, and I'm pretty alright at what I do. I'm no beginner. I largely work on my own, although I do partner up with other people at times. I can get shit done, and I can do a bit of graphical work here and there. Sound editing is mostly off-limits to me, and modeling is still largely impenetrable, despite my attempts. But I can code pretty well, and in ZDoom and Zandronum that alone can get you far.

But not on its own.

See, most mods require sprites and sounds. There are the mutators like Oneshot and Parkmore and Shared Resources that can get by with pure code, and there's things like ACSTris where the bar is so low graphically that it's nonexistent, but for most everything else, you're gonna need sprites. Weapon sprites, monster sprites, UI sprites, whatever. They're also gonna need sounds. After all, who's gonna use a gun that doesn't go bang? Who's gonna fight a demon that doesn't growl and snarl, or in HDoom's case, moan? And sound goes great with any UI; it gives you more confirmation that things are happening, and it means you can keep your eyes on the bipedal rocket-launcher-armed monstrosity of a prize.

How am I gonna be able to meet these sound and sprite requirements? Am I going to stick with stock Doom sprites and sounds? Sometimes I do. But those are my coding experiments. People don't want to play mods that only use stock Doom sprites and sounds; we want something different.

<cont.>

>>1714309
But the Doom engine is also very, and I mean VERY, limited in terms of what it can do, especially with level geometry. It doesn't have collision detection, it can't generate true 3D physics, it can't generate sloped ground, etc. When your framework is that limited, putting in the effort to really overhaul things is sorta pointless.

I mean at that point why even bother using the Doom engine? Just grab something like, as you mentioned, Unreal. Or Unity, or even Cryengine.

The Doom engine is really a product of its time and it's quite dated by now. I will agree with you that more interesting and varied games would be great but there's only so much you can really do.

>>1714320
<continuing>

Turns out some nice guys on Realm 667, on the ZDoom forums, and what have you make some really nice weapon sprites. Turns out AAA video games have some really nice sound effects, as they should - after all, they have professional sound teams. They'd work great for my weapons - much better than SGN2A0. So I put them on, and after going through a few sprite and sound sets, I find a set that works perfectly.

Well, almost perfectly. Turns out one of the sprite sets I'm really fond of is a bit lacking, so I decide to try my own hand at extending the sprites and adding more punch to them. I show it to an accomplished spriter, and he says it's pretty good, so I use it.

So now I have a set of nice, smooth weapon sprites, and clean, punchy sounds. I like them a lot, and I feel like my code complements the resources very nicely. It's all dandy, so I package it all up, with ample credits to the companies and people whose resources I used.

People play the mod. They like the mod a lot, so I know I've hit something good. In fact, one person likes the mod so much he goes ahead and makes a monster pack for it! That's great. It's a lot more than what I was expecting!

But according to your view that all resources must be original, my mod is now scum. Despite the fact that the code is 100% mine, the gameplay is solid, the sprites and sounds work very well together, and everything complements each other nicely, it's now scum because not *everything* is original.

Seems rather close-minded, don't you think?

>>1714317

Oh, is something wrong? Is being faced with an opposing claim sending you into a panic attack?
Scientific method, bitch. Your supposed inconsistency didn't hold.

Sorry, chump, them's the breaks. You're gonna have to find something else to cry about.

>>1714312
>I'm not saying they have to be about guns, but in my simplified example in >>1714263, the third guy would have benefited from using the first guys code, or at least using it as a base to do something very similar, and been able to move on to other aspects of his project more quickly and got more done in the long run.

This is why I'm wondering why the community is so divided that nobody can find a friend to do mods with (is it?).

>There are plenty of fresh and innovative things being done in Doom modding. If you selectively focus on crap though you're not gonna see it.

It feels like a pointless voyage when you type "doom mod" onto youtube or google and you get bazillion of results of brutal doom, which is exactly this type of michael bay egoshooter crap that adds nothing to the original game.

>>1713673
>new fatalities

I like a lot of what Brutal Doom does, but the fatalities are a bit goofy.

>>1714315
I'm not sure, but "Buttpain" sounds exactly like even the makers of it didn't care, why should I?

Haunted Forest sounds like someone cared but didn't have the imagination to come up with anything original.

By name I'd have to steer the hell away from these, but since you pointed out them on this topic, I guess I'll check them out.

>>1713713
>Doomguy

I always called him "Doom Marine"

>>1713729

Has anyone made a sub-machine gun replacement for the chain gun that matches the artwork there?

>>1714332
that's just it channeling the Doom Comic, which was very goofy, much like the old one liner button, I don't mind them, some are very satisfying, heck on Pain Elementals they are down right practical

>>1714319
>But for anyone that isn't id Software, if they made Doom 2 when Doom 2 didn't exist, it could only be released as a mod without id's permission.
NAM could only be released with the permission of Ken Silverman and 3D Realms. So this discussion seems like a dead-end.

>>1714328
You sound like the opposite of me. I can sprite up a storm and churn up textures, even map a bit, but I can't code worth a solid shit, so I have to ask for help and permission to use borrowed code. I get the feeling I'll fall into this same trap.

What's the name of that mod where you can energy punch shit?

>>1714329

>>1714350
Project MSX, most likely.

>>1714331
>This is why I'm wondering why the community is so divided that nobody can find a friend to do mods with (is it?).

No, not at all. But having something like the ZDoom wiki or allowing others to use your work when you release it is a lot better than relying on new people learning from people through email, irc, pms, etc. I always release all my work for unconditional use by others.

>It feels like a pointless voyage when you type "doom mod" onto youtube or google and you get bazillion of results of brutal doom, which is exactly this type of michael bay egoshooter crap that adds nothing to the original game.

That's really a failing of those outside of the Doom community rather than a failing of the Doom community itself. Blame journos that can't be arsed to do more than 5 minutes of research and say that dynamic lighting was introduced by Brutal Doom or MM8BDM is a "hack" of the Doom (not ZDoom) engine.

>>1714341

no one
ever ever like
ever in history

this is what itches me the most, the ideas are there and no-one seems to take 'em and put them in practice; a lot of the monsters shown in those Doom shovelware CDs look cool as hell but no-one seems to care enough to create sprites based on them.

and let us not talk about the dozens of demon redesigns and altern takes.

>>1714350

Project MSX

>>1714346
The more important part of that post is

>How many Build Engine mods have been released with 100% original assets? 100% original sprites, 100% original sounds, 100% original music, 100% original textures, 100% original maps, and 100% original code, all at once?

Because like I said in >>1714290 at that point they're their own game, and not a mod anymore.

What you're basically asking when you say "how come nobody releases Doom mods with 100% original assets?" is "Why doesn't anyone or any group create an entirely standalone game in the limiting ZDoom engine, then release it entirely for free?"

>>1714357
>a lot of the monsters shown in those Doom shovelware CDs look cool as hell but no-one seems to care enough to create sprites based on them.

What are those?

>>1714315
>download Buttpain
>hey this looks cool as fuck
>start game
>script errors
>flashlight doesn't work right

Well that was fun.

>>1714365
You need zandronum

>>1714365
>using Software ZDoom for a Zandronum OpenGL mod

>>1714365
You using Zandronum? 'Cause it's for Zandronum.

Hey, is the cool anon working on the Caster gun from Outlaw Star still around?

>>1714368
>>1714370
>>1714371
Well that's stupid, it's a single player mod isn't it? Why base a mod around that port if it isn't multiplayer?.

>>1714324
>but there's only so much you can really do.

I think this goes to show you that you can take it and do something completely unexpected.
>>1714320
>ACSTris

Obviously it's just Tetris, but it's still a completely new game on an engine you'd think it shouldn't belong in.

Doesn't ZDoom have server/client code? What's stopping you from creating some sort of cooperative mini-mmo experience, a racing game or a Metroid Prime style adventure game (it has guns, should be right at home, right?).

Using the base assets is more than fine when you want to do interesting proof of concepts. This is how actual game development teams end up together as well, someone sees a nice bit of code using some game's assets (legally, unlike Aeons of Death) and wants to join in to help out with art or sound.

>>1714374
Because it's also meant for multiplayer.

Also it uses ConsoleCommand to temporarily mute music (testmusvol 0, so it's non-destructive).

>>1714365
>not using Zandronum
Zandronum.

>>1714374

It's a single/multiplayer mod in an engine that can do both, you dunce.

>>1714374
From what I know some parts of the mod rely on Zandronum's exclusive ConsoleCommand feature. It'll never work in G/ZDoom as a result, and it'll stop working in Zan when they phase out ConsoleCommand, as they've wanted to do for a while now, but I assume Term will update the mod as necessary when that happens.

>>1714362

You know, I just went to the Doom CD Shovelware collection at archive.org, and I discovered two new uploads

https://archive.org/details/doom-cds

One of them was shared in our threads not too long ago, it even links to warosu's /vr/ archive

https://archive.org/details/maximum_doom
https://archive.org/details/TheTOOMParade.7z

>>1714378
Problem is I don't want a development team for this, since it's easily a one-man mod and no one in the community wants to get near my code anyway out of fear that the ACS beast might bite their leg off. It's also not a proof of concept; if it was, I'd be using sprites and sounds in doom2.wad. It's gone beyond that.

>I'm not sure, but "Buttpain" sounds exactly like even the makers of it didn't care, why should I?
That, I did to see how hard it'd be.
I finished it in 12 hours.

>>1714394
But ijon, you didn't create buttpain

>>1714397
ah fug I quoted the wrong line WHOOPS
I meant this
>I'm not sure, but "Buttpain" sounds exactly like even the makers of it didn't care, why should I?

Also re. the ZDoom client/server thing, it's... limited, to say the least. You can't even join in mid-game, making it completely useless for what I want.

>>1714402
okay, fool me twice shame on me
I FORGOT I WASN'T IN LINUX OKAY
>Obviously it's just Tetris, but it's still a completely new game on an engine you'd think it shouldn't belong in.

>inb4 >>>/g/

>>1714402
>quoted the wrong line
>still the same line

U DUN FUKT UP

>>1714407
I know :(

>>1714378
>Doesn't ZDoom have server/client code?

Yeah, but ZDoom multiplayer is terrible. It's janky to get running, easily falls apart for everyone if anyone has a somewhat slow connection, and is really only worthwhile on a LAN or with 2 players. Zandronum is the way to go for multiplayer.

>What's stopping you from creating some sort of cooperative mini-mmo experience,

This already exist, or at least a mini Diablo style rpg leveling system.

If you mean something more permanent through games then there is some stuff being done in Zandronum that might make it possible some day.

>a racing game or a Metroid Prime style adventure game (it has guns, should be right at home, right?).

The first has been attempted multiple times, never finished. The second is in the works and snippets are being posted in this very thread.

>Using the base assets is more than fine when you want to do interesting proof of concepts. This is how actual game development teams end up together as well, someone sees a nice bit of code using some game's assets (legally, unlike Aeons of Death) and wants to join in to help out with art or sound.

I think comparing a bunch of people mapping/modding for an existing game in their spare time for free to actual paid development teams is pretty unfair.

>>1714410
Also AOD using the assets isn't illegal. It falls under fair use.

>>1714328
I guess it's one of those situations where you have to think both sides.

Someone takes your awesome code and release a mod and leaves your credit in a footnote of the readme.txt (that nobody seems to be reading these days, what gives?). Gets super popular because of it and your work gets none of the recognition it deserves?

I don't know, maybe I'm just too proud with this stuff, but I exclusively use material that's absolutely free to use instead of taking material from commercial games.

For sounds, you should look up at Freesound.org.

Hell, if you get an artist to wrap up some art from scratch, I'd be willing to do sounds/editing of sounds from freesound to compliment your code. But only as long as the sounds aren't involved in a project that illegally distributes material from commercial products. I hope you get what I mean with all this.

>>1714421
>Someone takes your awesome code and release a mod and leaves your credit in a footnote of the readme.txt (that nobody seems to be reading these days, what gives?). Gets super popular because of it and your work gets none of the recognition it deserves?
As long as it's not downright plagiarism, I'll accept it, if begrudgingly ("how dare your mod get popular and not mine"). When I do license my stuff, it's either under BSD license or the WTFPL.

Also, as multiple anons above me have noted, using commercial resources in very-definitely-nonprofit mods such as ours is fair use.

>>1714421
>Someone takes your awesome code and release a mod and leaves your credit in a footnote of the readme.txt (that nobody seems to be reading these days, what gives?). Gets super popular because of it and your work gets none of the recognition it deserves?

Pretty much all the people that have been replying to you with serious posts have coded various Doom mods and release their code freely even though this is certainly a possibility and most have had this happen to them, sometimes without credit being given

They do it anyway since them's the breaks and they love the game and modding for it. If other people learn from it and make cool stuff, it's worth it even if some people steal it and are shitheads.

Also
>>1714219
>I still don't understand the mentality of people that restrict the use of their code when their code is written in a proprietary language for an open-source engine that wouldn't even be available to them if others before them had the same mentality that they do.

Holy fuck these threads have been going fast in the last couple of days

>>1714437
When using a sound effect from a commercial game, you risk breaking the a license from a sound library. If they grant a license for a single product and someone goes using it in a random mod, there's no way it falls under fair use if the license explicitly says no redistribution.

>>1714410
Lots of teams end up starting a game on an engine that you license properly after a few mods. Nothing new there.

Well it's getting late and I'm getting tired, so I guess we'll continue the discussion another time.

Also, holy shit are you guys gullible.
Someone just needs to put up a shitty argument and keep at it, and half the thread is derailed.

>>1714456
>Lots of teams end up starting a game on an engine that you license properly after a few mods. Nothing new there.

Then that's still not comparable to ZDoom modders, since any mods made can never be commercialized and any experience gained from modding ZDoom will not be applicable for modding in an engine that does allow commercial licensing.

>>1714450
How about we apply the four-factor fair use test, since that's what judges actually use?

>In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:
>1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
The purpose is to make a gameplay modification for people to enjoy. It is not at all commercial, and never could be, given the nature of the ZDoom engine.

>2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
It is a sound of, for example, a double-barreled shotgun firing, and its actions. Nothing really huge.

>3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
It's a shotgun sound. It doesn't define the game at all. Another one could easily be swapped in and no one would care.

>4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
Absolutely nothing. It's a non-profit mod for a 20 year old game.


Going by this, yeah fair use applies, and it's okay for us to use it.

>>1714461
I'm not sure why you're so pertinent on commercializing stuff you make for the love of making it anyway.

I don't know what kind of language ZDoom uses but it must be something with a syntax similar to C, Lua? Anything? Sound effects, textures, 3D modeling, every learned skill can be reused.

>>1714457
>Also, holy shit are you guys gullible.
>Someone just needs to put up a shitty argument and keep at it, and half the thread is derailed.

>I was only pretending to be retarded
>:^)

>>1714450

I've noticed a lot of romhacking and modding exists in legal grey areas. I don't think anything has been challenged in courts, and by and large companies don't care. This is small time stuff for obscure games.

The only thing I can think of is fan games getting shut down. A full 3D remake of Chrono Trigger was shut down. A 2D MLP:FiM fighting game was shut down too. The reason is that these were very good and modern and they claimed that it infringed on their copyright.

>>1714463
>>4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
Someone thinks it's still free and re-uses it from that Doom mod, then it gets reused and reused.

The value of the sound library plummets because all of the sounds are being distributed all over the internet.

I agree with fair use in a lot of things but breaking a licence is still breaking a license.

>>1714467
>I don't know what kind of language ZDoom uses

Wow. You don't even know anything about ZDoom modding.
No wonder you've been talking out of your ass the whole time.

>>1714469
>I don't think anything has been challenged in courts, and by and large companies don't care.

Fox loves to do a lot of C&D. So did 3D Realms.

They give/gave you a single warning and then it was off to the courts.

>>1714467
>I'm not sure why you're so pertinent on commercializing stuff you make for the love of making it anyway.

Because you're comparing people getting paid to create games to people modding in their spare time. This is an unfair comparison because you can spend way more time doing something when you're getting money to do it. Unless someone is independently wealthy they can't mod for 8 hours a day every day and not starve in the street.

>I don't know what kind of language ZDoom uses but it must be something with a syntax similar to C, Lua? Anything? Sound effects, textures, 3D modeling, every learned skill can be reused.

I don't know why you're having this huge discussion then if you don't know that much about ZDoom modding, but ACS is kinda a simple C and Decorate really isn't similar to any other code that exists. Expertise in either one won't really transfer to working with anything else.

>>1714471
And how would I ever anticipate a tiny mod like mine ever doing that? That seems ridiculously far-fetched.

>>1712656
Yeah, kid plays a mean guitar.

This is my favorite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhYu7a68XGw

>>1714471
>Someone thinks it's still free and re-uses it from that Doom mod, then it gets reused and reused.
>The value of the sound library plummets because all of the sounds are being distributed all over the internet.
>I agree with fair use in a lot of things but breaking a licence is still breaking a license.

That's not how the test works. You're including potential, hypothetical illegal actions by parties other than the one that originally used the asset in their mod. That isn't how fair use works.

With that standard you could disallow movie reviews from using any footage from films in their review because others might think the film was free to distribute and showing how much a film sucks (if it was a bad review) would cause the value of the film to plummet.

>>1714483
I said teams that get together because they love doing it. And I might've used the word "proper" because they dedicate their free time to it without asking for anything in return.

>I don't know why you're having this huge discussion then if you don't know that much about ZDoom modding

Modding is more than just coding. That's like saying you're not allowed to make textures or maps in a team if you don't know what the programmer knows about the engine's secrets.

Should probably take a look at the Doom source code, then, so I'm not talking out of my ass.

Learning new syntaxes always helps, believe it or not.

anyone have the pastebin of doomrl arsenal assemblies?
i'm combing the wad file now with slade3 but i'd rather have that page on for easy reference

>>1712874
>>1712859
>authentic Single-Action Army
>no transfer-bar
>carrying it with all chambers loaded

>>1714502
http://pastebin.com/mG7F9ktg

I think this one is a little outdated (Missing some uniques, I think) but it should be good enough.

>>1712894
>What is Outlaws
Really really ugly?

>>1714497
>I said teams that get together because they love doing it. And I might've used the word "proper" because they dedicate their free time to it without asking for anything in return.

But as you said in

>>1714456
>Lots of teams end up starting a game on an engine that you license properly after a few mods. Nothing new there.

The difference is that they can create licensed games in the engine after a time spent working on mods. Many if not most teams that create successful mods in such engines end up doing just that. Learning the engine is an investment towards future licensed creations. Doom modding isn't even enough to put on a resume as a sidenote, really.

Show me a team that creates a mod for such an engine that uses 100% original assets that doesn't end up commercializing it or a version of it at some point.

>Learning new syntaxes always helps, believe it or not.

Yeah, but if you're looking to learn a language you could use elsewhere learning pretty much any other language would serve you better than ACS or Decorate.

>>1714515
Phrased wrong, not my first language. I mean after they've done a few mods on whatever engine they can't license, they usually end up stepping up and grabbing something like Unity or Unreal Engine to create a new game.

1) Create a proof of concept with ZDoom
2) Get a couple of talented, interested people jumping to help you
3) Release a nice mod regarldess of how much of it is original
4) Realize you have a team that's now capable of doing games from scratch for Unity
5) Follow your dreams
6) ??? etc.

And the earlier quote:
>This is how actual game development teams end up together as well
I mean actual as in actual teams that know what they're doing and have a common goal, not "actually in commercial development".

>>1714525
Most people that mod for doom aren't interested in making standalone games in other engines.

>3) Release a nice mod regarldess of how much of it is original
>4) Realize you have a team that's now capable of doing games from scratch for Unity

That's just plain retarded. Even if you released a nice mod with 100% original content your team would not be capable of making a game from scratch in Unity.

None of the coding experience would transer to unity. At all.
None of the spriting experience would transfer to unity, unless maybe if you're doing a low res neo-retro sidescroller
None of the mapping experience would transfer to unity. At all.
The texturing experience would not transfer unless you were using low res textures in the new game.

The sound design and music is the only thing that would transfer, assuming again that it was done 100% from scratch.

In short, no, modding for ZDoom provides completely negligible transferable experience which could be used in making a proper game.

>>1714525
And another thing: The example you provided would still not result in a mod with 100% completely original assets in the ZDoom engine.

Even if every single person that mods for ZDoom followed the outline you put forth, all the creations with 100% original assets would be released completely outside of the Doom modding community.

>>1714532
I'm just trying to say that common goals get people together.

There must be a reason people still mod for ZDoom, why is so hard to get people together then?

>>1714537
It isn't hard to get people together. There are a bunch of projects made by teams of people.

It's just that making stuff that is entirely original EVERYTHING is a huge undertaking, team or not. And plenty of people want to work on something by themselves to begin with, or want to work on something that not a lot of other people are as enthusiastic about. So there are things which are 100% completely original from top to bottom, but not everything is like that.

That was your original question: "Why aren't there more 100% original content mods for ZDoom?" It's been answered a bunch of times, and people have pointed out that there are TONS of things which use completely original code, textures, etc, and plenty of things that use 100% original everything. You haven't even said if there is a Duke mod which uses 100% original assets and was still released as a mod or not.

At this point it seems more like you're asking "Why are there ANY mods which don't use 100% original content?"

>>1712649
This

>>1714532
There's also FPS game design in general. After all, to make a mod people like, you have to figure out how to do it right, right?

Assuming you don't just bumble onto it entirely by accident, of course.

>>1714565
Yeah but "I know how to make a mod people like" without having any applicable coding experience or know-how to actually execute it outside of ZDoom just makes you an Ideas Guy.

You'd also have to make not just a mod, but mapsets as well, since you can't release a game without maps, which for singleplayer stuff is a huge undertaking as well and takes a while to learn how to do properly.

And again, both of these don't 100% translate to other things. An expert Doom mapper isn't going to just start creating maps in Unity right away.

>>1713730

Heroes' Tales
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=15852

Extremal Doom
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=14156

Mini-level megawad
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=15837

>>1714573
Right, but you can still build up fundamentals in ZDoom.

There's a direct analogue in programming. Yeah, if you master one relatively oddball language, you're not going to be able to transfer that syntax mastery to other languages at all. But you can still transfer thought patterns over fairly easily, and in fact, when C programmers mass-migrated to C++ (because business) and C++ programmers mass-migrated to Java (because business), you saw exactly that: C ideas in C++, and C++ ideas in Java.

Yeah, you can't transfer over the specifics. That much is obvious. What you can transfer over is the abstract, from knowing how to code efficiently and without many bugs (there will *always* be bugs), to good level design, to knowing what makes a texture work, to knowing what makes a sound work, etc.

ZDoom ain't worthless. It just ain't anything like Unity and UE3.

(tl;dr we agree)

>>1714076
>If you can't handle the ropes without stealing code from someone else, *you shouldn't be modding*.

not entirely disagreeing with this - i sometimes think if you have no technical skill you should not be using a computer at all - but on the other hand, if you choose quality over quantity sometimes you get zero quantity.

>>1714132
>What's key is that the permission for sharing is *explicit*. Not implicit, as it is in the Doom community.
no, it's explicit in doom as well. see every /idgames text file that says you may or may not use this as a base for modification, not mentioning stuff like freedoom which has an explicitly BSD-like licence.

>>1713257
No skeletons he said, LIES! And one archville.

>>1713257
>Part 3: [Unfinished] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20454382/Skeletonbetav1.1.wad

If it weren't for the red fog, I bet this would go great with Buttpain. At the moment, the fog overpowers the darkness effect, which in turn makes the textures appear a solid color. Two spooks don't always mean spookier, I guess.

>>1713257

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20454382/MetroidMap1.2.wad

Here's another map update

>>1714076
>
However, the Duke community despises the Doom community's tendency to rip off everyone and everything. Looking at someone else's code to learn is one thing, but ripping it off wholesale is unheard of.

Uhh, speak for yourself? I have a fair idea who this is, please don't put forward an extreme opinion like that as if we all share it.

>
If you can't handle the ropes without stealing code from someone else, *you shouldn't be modding*.

This is also bullshit, I can code myself fine but some people learn best by looking at other's people's shit and peicing things together from there.

please don't jump into this topic and spread some bullshit about the Duke community dude.

>>1714093
>get a bunch of modders together

do you live in a fucking dreamworld dude? The days of finding a coder and SEVERAL artists to produce content are long over, if they even existed to begin with. The majority of projects with new art are either done by the author themselves or in extremely mitigating circumstances. The duke community has like 1 artists and he's not exactly taking casting calls for free work (and I don't blame him because Cage is like a god of artwork) We had more but unsuprisingly they left for greener pastures as soon as they got old enough to make proper money from their work.

Silly question,is it possible to create a whole new game that doesnt use any doom IWADS on GZDoom?

>>1714746
>those imps next to the missiles
FUCK YOU I JUMPED

seriously though this is turning gloriously atmospheric
also will it end in skeletons

>>1714112
You are the modding equivilent of the people who say

>just be yourself!
>man up!

when anon asks for advice about girls

>>1714764
BUT ANON
THAT'S HOW GIRLS WORK

>>1714756
A handful already exist.

How do I run Doom RPG?

I aint done much doom modding or whatever. I tried the instructions but its a bit beyond my comprehension.

like where do I put the RPG files in GZdoom, or how do I get GZdoom to recognize the rpg files?

>>1714746
wait is this meant to be played with Dreadnought or just a standalone?

>>1714746
>corpses leading into the fortress
>gigantic beam-fenced-off room
>lava pit going downwards
>broken doorway with hanging corpses right behind

Really loving how this is turning out so far, but definitely ease up on the impassable walls. There's a lot of areas where my jumps are inexplicably blocked off but shouldn't be--such as that pillar in the blue key room, or the control panel for the pulley.

overall m8 i r8 it p gr8, an 8/8

>>1714775

With Dreadnought.

>>1714746
Welp

>>1714746
I'm loving it.
Going off what an anon said earlier about popcorn missions, is this going to be just one/two maps with a dramatic fight at the end, or are you planning on something bigger?

Those three doors after the elevator down make me wonder...

>>1714779
Dreadnought > Levels > map 1.2

So is there anything like Shotgun Frenzy, but with say, an infinite survival mode? Just curious. Might be fun, get the most ridiculous setups and go nuts.

>>1714774
There's a launcher you can get from the forum for it. http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33292&sid=354e40011d7c2e48f6cd1bbd505cc780

i have to say,this is pretty good and i expect this HOM wall to be the "thanks for playing the trial version,wait for more updates"

I am kinda bitter,i was expecting agitation

>>1714786
Ah, thank you sir.

Tried that on my shitty laptop. Didnt work. On my DT atm and I think Ive got it sorted. Way too easy

>>1714746
muh nigga
it's dangerous to go alone
take this

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8sgimzmamtm3h03/metroid%20dreadnought%20-%20the%20last%20skeleton%20is%20in%20captivity.ogg

>>1714801
Hmm actually, this is happening now...

>>1714337
it's just that it was released on april 1st and as a parody of rootpain who was just "olol3spooky5me"

but buttpain is actually geat

>>1714809

You have an outdated GZDoom, you need the latest dev build to run RPG IIRC.

http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdoom/

Just pick the one on the top.

>>1714778

Here you go anon-kun~

1. Unnecessary impassable walls have been removed,
2. Minor texture tweaks,
3. Added rain,
4. Blue Key Room pillar has been changed to do lava damage instead of impassable wall that makes you fall to your death,
5. Added agitation

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20454382/MetroidMap-v1.2b.wad

>>1714783
> is this going to be just one/two maps with a dramatic fight at the end

I'll probably just stick to a single map.

>you planning on something bigger?

I dunno yet, I'm kinda just aimlessly rolling along making this map to be honest.

>>1712668
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/64353-doom-64-for-doom-ii/

>>1714846
>added rain
muh framerate

if you get on irc, please yell at term to make less laggy plz kthx

>>1714884
Talked to Term and gave him a potential solution.

I'm kinda running into an unusual issue with GZDoom. It's all of a sudden loading VERY slowly, or not playing well.

I had been playing through hellbound using Doom RLA, though I was getting kinda bored of RLA, so I decided to continue from where I was using a different mod (Project MSX), I skipped to map 9, used the Summon command in the console to give myself the equipment I would have at that point in the wad, and then I set out... But then I start getting sudden, heavy, unplayable framerate drops at random, or just from simply firing my guns. So I figure I'll just restart it, I close GZDoom, bring ZDL back up, hit Launch, and it takes a very long time to load, and just ends up crashing. So I close a few programs (Chrome and Steam), no change, still slow, so I remove Project MSX from the external files list, still the same issue.

Anybody have any idea what it could be? I've never had issues playing with MSX or Hellbound before.

>>1714897
Bronificent

>>1712681
i did this again. (i was >>1709721.)

>>1714981

>>1714985

>>1714989

>>1714992
i completely forgot to pick up the blue key here. watch for the point around 0:39 where i comically stop in my tracks, spin round, and go back for it.

>>1714996
E1M6 was a bit of a disaster, all things considered. the end went terribly.

>>1715001

>>1715002
and E1M7 took ages as usual. i don't know why i always feel the need to take a diversion for the partial invisibility.

>>1715006
don't know why i bothered with the computer map lift at the start of E1M8 either. and i always miss the jump to the teleporter at the end. watch as i fail repeatedly to press a switch.

final time: 15:43. an improvement over the previous 19:33, but could still be much better.

>>1715006
don't know why i bothered with the computer map lift at the start of E1M8 either. and i always miss the jump to the teleporter at the end. watch as i fail repeatedly to press a switch.

final time: 15:43. an improvement over the previous 19:33, but could still be much better.

>>1715010
whoops, let's try that again with the video this time.

>>1714981

>M1 can be beaten in seconds

This is why I like the PSX version of that map more, as it removed the switch that let's you skip most of the level. It forces you to play it.

>>1713890
Probably jizz myself.

>>1715027
I doubt PSX version would prevent this from happening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXmDuj-5jss

>>1712681
>>1715015 (me)

incidentally, the current world record is 5:00, so we've a way to go yet.

http://www.doom.com.hr/index.php?page=compet-n_database&cndb=1&wad=1&category=movie&current=1

>>1715027

more likely the psx version was based off the older edition without the switch. but i'd be willing to be corrected if there was evidence for it.

(i go that way because the halved damage from the armour is most helpful against hitscanners on a speed run. otherwise i agree, and prefer to go the proper way round. i believe the switch was added by romero for deathmatch amenability. there are better ways to implement that kind of thing, though.)

>>1715039
That pillar the switch was on was removed and they didn't bother to put the switch on something else.

>>1715040
ah, i stand corrected then. fair enough, thank you.

>>1715038
heh. well, you don't need to care about the armour if you're not going to carry on with the rest of the episode, of course :)

The end of an era

http://home.comcast.net/~mrrocket/dcsite_finals/doomconnector.htm
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=768836#p768836

>>1715056
Nigga why don't they just go full P2P?

>>1714373
Yeah, still working on it. I posted an updated version last thread.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20454382/MetroidMap-v1.3.wad

Update's a little early, I'm calling it for today, I was up all night, Hope you guys enjoy this update, I'll pick up again later today, Not gonna list the changes in this, except for one

1. Reduced rain effect to decrease framerate issues

Find out the rest on your own~

Also i do plan on expanding the Abandoned base area

>>1715061
Oh, and for the record, it's Mike12 - so if you have any ideas/things you want done with it, you can just talk to me there. Though, It'll probably be a day or two before I can get back to work on it since I'm helping someone get some extra graphics stuff done before a deadline.

>>1715056
...Doom Connector still existed? Wow.

>>1715058
Look at Duke Nukem Megaton Edition's P2P before you ever consider mentioning it here again

>>1715087
I think he meant pay to play, not peer to peer. G/ZDoom already is peer-to-peer.

>>1715087
>playing (not to mention paying) for glorified ports using stolen code

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>1715091
I mean peer to peer. I know ZDoom supports P2P as I've done a few games with people, but what is actually going down? The master server for listing games? Can't they just afford a toaster to do it? I don't think even TCP/IP could be an issue.

>>1715096
I think the lobby is what's going down, which would make P2P play pretty much impossible.

>>1715098
Why? P2P implies there's absolutely nothing between the clients. Why can't someone else host the lobby? It's not anything overly expensive resource wise. Someone explain this to me.

>Zandronum 1.2.2 came out

>>1715158
>it's literally fucking nothing

>>1714157
>>1714161
>>1714219
>>1714187
>>1714268
>>1714279
>>1714317
>>1714329
>>1714351
Can we all just agree that ZBlood is terrible?

Seriously. It's the worst attempt at porting another game to Doom that I've seen so far.

>Monsters don't even behave like they should
>Weapons are shite
>Maps are butchered

>>1715169
Hey, at least it fixed the split between 1.2.1 and 1.2 users.

>>1715064
I like it, but the cave area behind the blue door looks like it could use some more variation in texture, especially on some of the ledges you have to jump to. Also, this.

>>1715174
>Hey, at least it fixed the split between 1.2.1 and 1.2 users.
indeed, and that's a lot more than "fucking nothing".

Has anyone ever made an invasion map set using Doom 64 textures?

I would love to play something like that.

I've never played the original Quake. (1 or 2).
Are they worth picking up on Steam, or should I cop them off ebay?
It's a shame GoG doesn't have them.

>>1715061
>>1715073
Ah I should've known! I suspected it, just going off of the glove, but awesome! I really dig it, torridgristle did a Caster for me a while back for TSP but I'm really digging yours, and I'm sure whatever you do with the animation is gonna be at least 300 times better than whatever I would do on my end. BASICALLY what I'm saying is I'd really like to use it for TSP.

Also Outlaw Star is one of my favorite shows ever! How are you liking it so far?

>>1715243
Steam version doesn't have the music I think.