/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1709025
It doesn't even try to cop out by having it actually be some evil thing pretending to be a benevolent God. You just straight up murder God as payback for all his meddling with mortals.

Getting the obvious out of the way.

>>1709025
You kill a generic evil goddess in the original BoF too...but BoFII would be a better game to kick this thread off. You kill an actual factual judeo-christian god expy in that.

>>1709056
>but BoFII would be a better game to kick this thread off. You kill an actual factual judeo-christian god expy in that.
Deathevn is actually just the spawn of Myria/Tyr

xenogears or nothing

>>1709068
Yes but he still closely mirrors YHWH

And now, his life is over.

>>1709068
Deathevn poses as the one true "God", has a church in almost every town around the world, has a city dedicated to his worship, a huge number of priests and devout followers, and is basically an evil version of the judeo-christian god. Yes he's just a demon spawn of Myria, who's not even a real goddess herself, but he's more of a "God" figure than Myria ever is. She does get a bit more religious in Breath of Fire 3 though.

Non-retro according to the board rules, so just a brief mention for Final Fantasy X with Yu Yevon, it's the same Deathevn scenario.

If Myria qualifies as "god" I guess both Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen and Person of Lordly Caliber let you fight god, too. One has you fight the god of the underworld, the other one his raptured wife.

In Silent Hill, you fight the cult's god, although it's called Incubator or Incubus depending on the ending. In Silent Hill 3 the same being is just called "god" and its religious significance is elaborated upon a lot more.

In Dragon Quest VII you don't "kill" God, but you can fight him just for fun and he's not evil but a cool guy instead. Outside of the Shin Megaten II version, he's the closest example to fighting the actual judeo-christian god I can think of.

I think Deathevan is my favorite depiction of an evil god. In the SMT games he's just an ass, but in BoF2 he thinks he's giving everyone salvation and his brainwashed and delusional followers just make it all the more twisted. The scene in the crazy church town with the not-pope is one of my favorite segments in any video game.

>>1709136
SMT YHWH also has brainwashed and delusional followers, very much so, and believes that his cause of universal order is just. Deathevn is an evil omnicidal demon who just wants to kill and torment everything, his talk about salvation is purple prose.

Bomberman 64: The Second Attack

>>1709168
Not even close to retro.

Would the Lufia games count? They're terrible gods, but aren't they considered gods nonetheless in-game? It's been a few years.

>>1709025
Are we talking about the Jeudo-Christian knockoff type gods in JRPGs, or just Gods in general? Occasionally you fight them in D&D games, or at least demigods.

I much preferred BoF1's Goddess to BoF2's demon-impostor thing. I mean, sure she's called the Goddess of Destruction in BoF1, but because it's not that closely related to any specific religious sect (Or at least one the majority of the audience is familiar with), it leaves some question over how much or even if she's a sort of evil Goddess. The black dragon clan planned to awaken her to be granted dominion over the world via a wish, so it could've just been that she was more neutral than anything.

That said, it is interesting how the BoF series deals with the world evolving and leaving the dragon god and possibly other clans' gods behind in place of modern religions and technology. In BoF1, the black dragon clan wants to reawaken what could be a rival goddess to the dragon god, who's power had been waning as more and more dragon clan subsumed their powers. In BoF2, the dragon god is even further weakened, and pretty much only communed with through statues in various cities, and in BoF3, the vast majority of the dragon clan is slain before the game begins, and the only think you know of the dragon god is relegated to historical studies and discovered genomes. Technology and secularism is beginning to reign over the world in various stages, with the only remaining "Goddess" being found at the edge of the world in a technological paradise.

On another note, the Infinity tower looks amazing, shame you don't see all that much while going through it.

>>1709345
Doesn't BoFIV imply that Myria was simply one of Yuna's later creations? It's been years since I've played the PSX BoFs but that's how I always remember it. I think something about Deis' origins in BoFIV makes that connection a bit wonky, though.

>>1709382
I'm not sure, I haven't played IV. I do know Deis and Myria or Tyr and Bleu are suppose to be sisters, but beyond that, I don't know.

That's also something else that's interesting, BoFIV seems to take place earlier chronologically in the series. If BoF1 is the late classical era/early dark ages, BoF2 is the medieval era, and BoF3 is the industrial era and beyond, then BoF4 seems to be ancient China.

Dragon Quest 6

>>1709497

Wouldn't Dragon Quest 9 be a better choice?

>>1709639

But you don't kill god at all in it, you kill Lucifer.

>>1709643

Wich had taken his place.

So maybe half right?

Quest for Glory IV: Shadows of Darkness

Avoozl doesn't technically die, but his corporeal manifestation in that reality is slain and banished along with Erana and Katrina.

>>1709650

>tfw played QfG 5 just to get Erana back out of there

>>1709069
Growing up in a strict Catholic household, I was deathly afraid my father would see some of the dialogue in this game. Or that entirety of when Billy's church collapses and Stone is shown to be a villain. Who knew the Church was turning humans into monsters for consumption by elites?

>>1709025
Tyr/Myria isn't a god. She's just a powerful demon that likes to disguise herself as a goddess so she can control people. Bleu/Deis is her sister. She pretends to be somebody else in all the BoF games.

Also, you don't kill her. All you can do is send her back to her own dimension for a while.

is kefka god?

>>1710612
I'm guessing he'd count about as much as Myria or Deatheaven.

>ctrl + f
>a
>l
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>'Could not find the text 'alu'"
Alundra.
Also, Lunar II.
SMT has been mentioned more than a few times ITT, but SMT2 specifically is where Aleph kills Yhwh.

I know I've come across other examples, but none spring to mind unless you mean 'killing god' as in 'killing /any/ god,' because plenty of games have the characters kill specific gods. Battle of Olympus, for example, and Heimdal.

>>1710612
Nah, he's just a dick.

Chrono Cross is all over this. You get to kill every single person's object of worship sometime in the game, whichever it is.

Do you mean God-GOD, or "a" God? Because there's a fuckton of games where you kill gods.

Not retro, but Bayonetta has one of my favorite boss fights ever.

And you kick God into the sun while cheesy music plays.

i seem to recall an ending about some thingy claiming it built the world

>>1709025
Xenogears, Trigger and Cross, FF VII, FF VI, and many SMT games,

>>1710828
Trigger in no way fits this thread, you tasteless fanboy.

>>1710717
well apparently it includes anything that even remotely resembles a god so go crazy

>>1709172
do you really kill god in this?
is it good?

>>1710717
I'd like to know god-god ones. But op kinda mucked it up with his example.

>>1711280
God-God is still a bit murky.

If you mean God as in our world's YHWH, I guess the only games in which he can be killed are Megami Tensei II and Shin Megami Tensei II.

If you mean God as in the only god of the video game world in question, I honestly don't know. Most games are polytheistic and I can't think of a single one in which you kill the only god there is.

If you mean God as in the most powerful god or creator in the video game world, then SaGa would qualify.

If you mean God as in a being who poses as the supreme God of the video game world, then Breath of Fire II or Xenogears are good examples.

The OP's example does make it seem like "any god ever", for which most RPGs would qualify in some way or another.

>>1709303
In Lufia & the Fortress of Doom, they're referred to as gods just in their titles ("Four Mad Gods") and by a few minor NPCs.

In Rise of the Sinistrals the translation censors this as "super beings", but they are indeed referred to as gods by people who are pissed that after praying all their lives the only gods that actually show up are evil ones.

In The Legend Returns, the censorship is off and they're referred to as gods throughout the entire game. The game actually begins by stating that "Gods existed. However, it was not what humans wished for."

Arek/Alekdias seems to be the supreme god of the Lufia universe, but he's neutral and can't be fought in any game.

>>1711276
The true final boss in Second Attack is the creator god of the Bomberman universe. It's a great game, classic Bomberman.

>>1710715
I'm not sure about Chrono Cross. You could make a case because you kill the Dragon Gods, who are worshipped by a sizeable part of El Nido, but they're not major deities at all, and neither is FATE, who's not really treated as a god as nobody knows it exists outside of its save point artifacts. The idea of "fate" is revered, not really turned into a god.

>>1710828
The only thing akin to a god in Trigger is Lavos, who's only worshipped by a few people in Zeal but treated as an energy source by most other parties aware of its existence.

In Xenogears you do fight a god figure, and Kefka does get a cult once he becomes a god of magic, but I don't think Sephirot being hit with lifestream really counts.

This is an interesting thread.
I've always enjoyed killing god in rpgs.
Specifically the head hancho god since most rpgs seem to be polytheist.

>>1710794
I totally forgot about this! the world was created by these two spirits, and you get to fight the Earth Spirit in Hell, and the Sky Spirit in Heaven, if you make the right choices.

damn, this game was good! I had this one figured out, top to bottom, years before GameFAQs was invented. this is probably the only game I have done this with

>>1710828
Kefka doesn't count. he is a mortal pretending to be a god. he didn't actually create the world. the fact that he is crazy enough to think he actually is a benevolent, glorious god, is actually what makes him so repugnant. It echoes some people's criticisms of organized religion, but its not the same thing as climbing into heaven and actually killing THE God

Final Fantasy 13

Exile: Wicked Phenomenon for the Turbografx-SuperCD. The God boss ("Crully") is boss #3, and the preceding level is where the game's difficulty goes from low to CHEAP ASS FUCKING HARD. It's a pretty shitty title to begin with--broken collision detection, your character walks way to close to the edge of the screen, cheap hits everywhere--and Working Designs (who I normally like) fucked up the US version even more by making the difficulty level almost impossibly hard. The JP version is at least easy to beat.

>>1711280
you mean, gods whose situation in their world is close to the Judeo-Christian God, in ours.
1. actual supernatural creature
2. center of a major religion
3. seen as a force of good, but might not actually be
4. actually created the world, rather than usurped the position or claimed to be a god after the world had already existed

I would suggest the Sky Spirit, in Guardian Heroes. not exactly high fantasy, but as you play through the various plot threads, the Sky spirit is viewed as the good "God" in that world, and your party does have the option of killing it.

the other suggestion I have is Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions. Saint Ajora is CLEARLY Jesus Christ, and when she is resurrected she turns into Ultima, whom you must kill. I don't remember why you do it... but that game is bleak as fuck, so its probably just because...

>>1711406
Sadler kills a lot of gods in the XZR/Exile series, but you never do fight the one true god, which in those games should be the Christian God/Allah, I guess, despite the series' gnostic approach.

>>1711410
Obviously you have to kill the resurrected jesus to prevent mormanism

>>1709025

>>1710828
Lavos sort of counts... he is more of an alien than a supernatural god. He didn't create the world, or even humans, and isn't the center of any religion

>>1710839
>tastless fanboy
Why do you need to resort to insults for no reason?
Lavos wipes out the entire population besides a few lucky survivors TWICE.
He isn't canonically a typical god but he sure as hell sounds like a 'God of Destruction'
>>1711382
>>1711396
Kefka becomes IN THE GAMES WORDS 'A god of magic', therefore a god.

Sephiroth has control over all energy, and can move the planets to his will. Thats a God.

>>1711427
If we base this off God who have religions that makes Kefka, Lavos and YHWH about the only ones.

A few people in Zeal like the queen believed in him and were absorbed into his power.

>>1711396
>the fact that he is crazy enough to think he actually is a benevolent, glorious god, is actually what makes him so repugnant.
That's on track with the YHWH mythos.

> actually killing THE God
That's an ambiguous statement since it doesn't specify which 'THE God.'
You want to specify YHWH if that's the particular one you're talking about.

>he is a mortal pretending to be a god
By definition the OP is looking for a god that is mortal. Else you could not kill it.

Though the concept of omnipotent gods is nonsensical anyway. Omnipotence is itself paradoxical and would be impossible to employ. Ala too hot burrito argument.

>>1711427
Creating the world or humans is not a requirement to be a god. Nor is being the center of a religion.
Also, supernatural gods are natural. Because they exist. All things that exist in reality are natural. To be non or super natural is to not exist in reality is to not exist in reality.

An alien is enough to be a God if they're sufficiently powerful. That's only meaningful definition of a god, something that is sufficiently powerful.

>>1711447
>too hot burrito argument
This is so much more silly than too heavy rock

>>1711467
Well gods and omnipotency are silly things.

The Final Fantasy Legend

>>1711467
Well it's a Simpson's quote.

>>1711454
>Also, supernatural gods are natural.
Supernatural means they are beyond the laws of nature. The uncreated creator, etc.

>>1709390
Bof4 is an alternate universe, 1-3 are the same. 5 is a prequel to 1-3. 1-3 are post apocalyptic fantasy, clearly. 5 was the people living underground after the apocalypse.

4 was an alternate universe, they clearly state some shit about dragon souls warping reality, Deis is all pissed off she was dragged into your world when it's nothing like hers.

>>1712059

Fanfiction

Other end of the spectrum; what are some RPGs where your enemy is totally mundane (maybe not even being a high ranking mortal even?)?

I mean, it stands to reason RPGs had to continually outdo each other -- whereas the first RPGs had the characters maybe going to slay a mythical beast such as a dragon, the next might have players fighting some super-evil necromancer, and then perhaps some lesser demons before moving up to a greater demon, then the head evil demon himself, then some other cosmic superpowered entity. After a while, things just get absurd since you wind up having to make games where you kill multiple gods across multiple games and it starts to lose all meaning.

Maybe one day I'll make a short RPG where the player's party never actually gets past level 10 or so and the game ends after they stop some bandit ring that's plaguing their hometown. I think in that case, it would take a lot more to write an interesting story since you'd really have to focus on the characters developing and maturing over the course of the story based on how they dealt with the conflict, rather than centering on how powerful and strong the adversary is. Sure, the characters aren't killing god or anything, but those bandits are still tough enough to be a worthy challenge for low level characters and each of them might learn something about themselves or each other as they journey on.

How can you kill God when he doesn't even exist?

>>1712053
You misunderstand the point.

>>1711431
>Sephiroth has control over all energy, and can move the planets to his will. Thats a God.


Ehhh... if you were going Crisis Core and the optional Goddess boss, I could give you that one. But super powerful abilities ≠ God.

>>1712206
I understood perfectly. But it's wrong.

>>1712356
>But super powerful abilities ≠ God.
Then this whole thread is pretty much pointless, because all the bosses here can be described as super powerful being who see themselves as gods.

>>1709123
>evil version of judeo-christian god

>>1709050
i like how god is weak to chainsaws

>>1712704
And most of them are described as Gods in their games at some point which is the big defining factor. Sephiroth might've been able to roflstomp Tyr, but she was called a God in her game and he wasn't. That's the defining line. I personally think Kefka is the absolute definition of lame overrated villains, but the game did quantify him as a God, so a God he is.

>>1712708
That's redundant

>>1712696
Given that it's right, you didn't understand. You think you understand, but you don't.

Your uncreated creator is part of the natural world, more than anything else actually. It's limits or lack thereof are the upper limit to the natural laws. However it's existence is, so is the law of the nature. Any such abilities it has, granted by the laws of reality, nature. There is no point in existence that nature does not fully hold sway. If it exists, it is a part of the very fabric of the nature. There is no entity that can exist outside of it.

Therefore to be supernatural is to not exist. The term literally has no meaning.
Applying nature to manipulate nature isn't above nature, it's with nature using the very mechanisms that nature provides.
In the same way that when we use lighters to create fire that did not exist there previously with no 'natural' occurrence it is still a natural phenomenon. What animal can do that? Well all of them that build and utilize a lighter and gather leaves. It's a natural process and no matter how hidden or how quickly you enact a natural process not understanding the source of it does not magically make it unnatural.

>>1713302
Except you're still wrong.

One of the unfortunate side-effects of the rise of rationalism and scientific thought is that there are more and more people who can't even imagine a world where non-rational, non-scientific processes hold sway. Sad, really.

>>1712091
Baldurs Gate 3 was going to do something like that.
Rather than fight a demon that wanted to conquer the world or something like that, you would just be up against a small scale evil that was only hurting a couple of people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldur%27s_Gate_III:_The_Black_Hound

>>1709650

My paladin was so badass by the end of this game that I felt like I could just whoop Avoozl's ass even if he got summoned.

>>1709650
why is this series so underrated
fuck king's and space quest

>>1713521
One of the other side effects is that people know to ignore retarded fucking trolls like you.

>>1713238
3edgy5me

>>1714828
>anyone who doesn't agree with me is a troll
Calm down, son, you're embarrassing yourself

>>1715542
You can quit trolling now.

ITT: trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls

>>1711406
The difficulty went to CHEAP ASS FUCKING HARD because they made a mistake with the programming causing the game to scale such difficulty way harder than it was in the original

>You'll probably never reach the end though, at least not without cheating and hex editing the game for infinite health (ironically the only way most US gamers ever saw the boss was through the cover art)

>For you see, Working Designs made a mistake when tweaking the parameters. As Vic explained on NeoGAF: "On Exile 2 it was an issue of limited number of modifications because we weren't doing the game reprogramming, Telenet was.

>It was a small number of tries. And on the second-to last time, we had it *almost* right, so we added like +1 to the monsters, but it was like that scene with the fat guy in Meaning of Life where the waiter gives him that one wafer and he explodes.

>That +1 exceeded some limit internally and made the monsters exponentially harder rather than incrementally. Since it was our last "fix" and we had production discs, I thought we were screwed and had made an unwinnable game.

>Fortunately, with some time and special strategies, we found out you could finish it. We made one of the hardest games ever - by accident."

http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/exile/exile4.htm

>>1716080
nice meme 9/10

Wait if I remember right in CT, didn't Lavos sort pushed humans down an evolutionary path? I might be totally wrong but I remember Lavos was somehow fucking with humans beyond blowing them up.

>>1716059
Is it really that hard to just admit that you are wrong on an anonymous image board?
Go read some mythology or something. Maybe it will sink in.