/vr/ - Retro Games

What's the best CRT monitor for retro emulation?

Just got a KV-32FV310 delivered to my place from a local seller for 40 bucks, how did i do /vr/?

Also, does the widescreen aspect ratio of this tv stretch 4:3 games? I'm sort of confused about the whole CRT with widescreen support thing. I would test it but my 4:3 aspect ratio TV is unavailable at the moment.

KV-32FV310 Sony Wega*

>>1688724
>does the widescreen aspect ratio of this tv stretch 4:3 games
Yes, it will distort the geometry of anything meant to be played in regular 4:3 mode. Keep your new TV in 4:3 for retro vidya and only use it for anamorphic widescreen DVDs or games.

>>1688728
>>1688731

My old kv-27fs100 Wega had a 16:9 enhanced mode (vertical compression) even though it was a 4:3 TV

the option would squeezes the electron guns and give the picture an extra 100 or more lines of resolution.

I loved that feature. and that TV

>>1688724
>>1688728

http://esupport.sony.com/CA/p/model-home.pl?mdl=KV32FV310

looks like a 4:3 set to me. are you sure that's the correct model number?

Here's a nice review of that set. (back when it was over a grand!)

http://www.epinions.com/review/pr-Sony_KV_32FV310__Standard_Televisions/content_122055003780?sb=1

>>1688731

Is the screen itself 4:3? it seems less square than an average crt. If so then i don't have a problem, 16:9 mode is off. Can't find the specifics on screen size for my model. Might just look wider because of the flat screen.

>>1688714

Viewsonic and Sony made some pretty good monitors.

>>1688146
>>The problem these technologies will always have vs. CRT is their inability to display multiple resolutions without scaling

I can't find any info on how laser TV's deal with multiple resolutions. so that might not be an issue with them.

plus, consumer scalers are getting better and better all the time. heck I use my $99 GPU and I think it looks better then the XRGB mini (the XRGB mini sucks at 4:3 content above 720p)

>>but why drop all that money on an expensive scaler when a good CRT can be found for very cheap or even free?

because no one makes them anymore and it's becoming increasingly harder to repair them (just look at the arcade scene)

>>1688865
can you take a picture of the set?

>>1688908
This is i

>>1688924
Nice, that is definitely a 4:3 TV

how does the picture look? (have you done the 240p test?)

>>1688924

That's probably the best Sony set you could get short of an XBR.

>>1688924
Yeah, that's not a wide screen TV. It might have a 16:9 mode for better displaying such conten , source would have to be set at that ratio

But most retro gams were 4:3 (street fighter 3 had a wide-screen mode)

This is a longshot but ill ask here.

Im from EU so my CRT has 1 SCART. Whatever i hook up on that scart it gives me a vertical black line that goes slowly from left to right.
The line is not super visible, only on white or bright backgrounds buts its really rustling my jimmies hard.
What could be the problem? Its really a nice big CRT but i dont think going to a repair shop will be worth it because they will only rip me off.

>>1688924
I have the same TV but for some reason whatever I plug into the composite inputs comes up black and white.

>>1688731
^ me again

>>1688848
Yeah, that v-squeeze is what I'm talking about. It should only be used for 16:9 source material, and retro ain't it.

>>1688865
Yes, you can tell from the model number. 32" is a common 4:3 diagonal size. The equivalent 16:9 set with the same footprint is 30". (In the CRT world, 16:9 models were designed by chopping down existing 4:3 models in height, not by widening them, and it was pretty stupid to buy a 16:9 set if it cost the same as a 4:3 with the same width if you ever viewed 4:3 material).

>>1688898
>I can't find any info on how laser TV's deal with multiple resolutions.
You see where the image you posted says LCoS? That's how these TVs behave, like standard LCoS TVs. That means fixed-pixel. That means scaling.

>>1688948
Well by the time the FVs were out the XBRs were all HD.

>>1688959
Sounds like what might happen if you plugged composite into the Y jack and left the TV tuned to the component input. Weird.

>>1688956
Do you have the right power supply connected to your console? Sometimes that happens to me when I'm using some weird console and I'm not giving it enough juice.

>>1688939

Good to know. What is the 240p test? I am still working on grabbing an S-Video cable for ps1 and composite for Wii.

The picture looks pretty damn good, pronounced scan lines and a lot crisper than the RCA tv i am used to (and i thought that RCA looked pretty damn nice). Most emulators on the wii get the pixel ratio correct, retroarch takes some fiddling but it is possible with most platforms. Going to wait for S-Video to give the playstation a serious test.

>>1689418

Forgot to mention that the screen seemed tilted towards the left, but after correcting that through the menu it is perfectly level. There is a slight warping towards the edges i think, unless that is due to the flat screen.

>>1689418
>composite for Wii
Get component. You probably mean that anyway.

Is an S-Video to Component adapter a thing that exists?

I have the cable pictured, and it works great on a Sanyo I've owned for years. However, I recently bought a Sony KV-20FS100 for $12, and I'd like to use this S-Video cable for my Nintendo systems on it, but the TV only has composite and component inputs?

>>1689524
Not that I know of, other than upscan converters that do way too much than just convert Y/C to YPbPr.

>only has composite and component inputs
This has always been silly to me.

>>1689524
You could get RGB cables and then transcode to component. But that's pretty expensive.

>>1689590
$60 isn't that expensive.

>>1689596
plus cable cost times the number of consoles you have
plus a scart switch

>>1689604
Scart switch is optional and you need cables for all your consoles anyways.

>>1689604
Or you could do 1 converter + an s-video switch.

>>1689606
Yeah but anon already has S-video cables, that's sunken cost.

>>1689608
>s-video switch
I don't see how. That's not an S-video to SCART converter.

I have a panasonic quintrix tx-25px10f, it's quite big and does it's job well for a crt, it has two scart inputs with one that supports RGB and regular composite and s-video input on the front.

I use the RGB for my Gamecube mostly but it's also the only input on the tv that uses color.
If I switch the console to the other scart or the composite input it only shows black and white on the screen.

I dunno why it happens.

>>1689306
Its not just one console its everything i connect to the SCART.
Even my TV receiver.

>>1689939
Sounds like a bad connection in your scart socket then, or just a bad TV. I don't know much about eurobrands though so I can't speak for different sets' quality. Aren't TVs in general a bit less common over there because of taxes or licenses or something?

>>1690012

You have taxes for whatever you buy in Europe (truly a socialist shithole, and they wonder why we're still not recovering from the crisis), so no, TVs are pretty common.
I think it would be a better indication if he gave his TV's brand, and manufacture place. I never had any problem with my TVs made in Germany and Spain.

How many people still exclusively use CRT TVs because they either can't afford or don't want want to upgrade?

>>1690167

I do. Check the Dirty Pair and Gundam photos in the last thread.

>>1690172

Not just posters in these threads but like people in general.

>>1690194
Well, you can easily get an okay flatscreen tv and people don't really care as much about image quality as size and weight so I don't think people in general want to hold on to their CRTs.

I won't abandon mine though.

>>1689524
>>1689618

So essentially, I would need to combine the pictured adapter with >>1689596 to go from S-Video to Scart to Component. Complete a waste of money and effort for sure, but it is interesting to know.

>>1690332
>implying that it converts the signals
You sure are stupid as my mother.

Luma is connected to composite and chroma to red.
This adapter would only work on SCART 2 on my TV and i have to select S-Video manually.

Looking to get into SCART but I have questions.
Do I get Yurop scart cables or Japanese scart cables?

>>1690343
The one that matches your console.

>>1690342
Wait, why are you insulting your own mother?

>>1688714
Most anything made by Sony, ViewSonic, NEC, Mitsubishi, and even some Dells will do just fine.

I have a Mitsubishi Diamond Plus, and it's wonderful for emulation, far better than my LCD. I usually play at 480p with scanlines and the SuperBright mode on the monitor turned on, and the result is nigh indistinguishable from a PVM or BVM. If you don't like scanlines, regular 480p looks very good as well.

>>1690167
>upgrade
I lel at that word in this context.

What the fuck is it about flat panel displays that makes them die so quickly? My 19 inch Samsung has a ton of dead pixels in it that weren't there when I got it and my parents' bigger one had to be serviced about four years after they got it (they had a hell of a time with Samsung's customer service too, who tried to convince them that it couldn't be fixed and would have to be replaced). Electronics from the past decade in general just don't seem to be built to last, and I want to know if the longevity (or lack thereof) of flat panels is a result of this or something inherent to LCD/Plasma/Whatever technology.

>>1690343

If you have an NTSC (American or Japanese) console, you want Jap. If you have a PAL (European) console, you want Euro. Simple.

>>1690616
They're way cheaper nowadays because people want cheap. Do you not remember a time when a 14" TV in the 90's would have cost you around $300? You can get a 40" for that now. This isn't even counting inflation either.

>>1690616
Quality control. Manufacturers love LCD because it's so cheap. All they have to do to charge more money is make them bigger, which is dead simple compared to glass tubes. Quality control is shit today compared to 20 years ago, because TVs today are considered "disposable" at this price. Disgusting.

>>1690478
>>1690618
Not that simple. What good is scart with a Japanese display? What good is Japanese 21-pin RGB with a Euro transcoder?

I'm looking to get a smaller PC with MAME to use with a CRT, and the only way I know of to get 15khz is with that CRT emudrive thing, however, I'd prefer to get a small PC, which will likely mean getting one with only integrated graphics. How would I get 15khz/240p stuff with integrated graphics (presumably intel's).

>>1690631
If you're using scart it doesn't atter much. Just make sure you don't use a 60Hz NTSC signal on a 50Hz screen, this results in no screen or black and white. If you're using an ntsc signal on a 60Hz and up there's no problem except that your resolution is a tiny bit smaller than on PAL.

>>1690819
If software doesn't work for any reason, you might need an Extron box of some kind, like an Emotia.

>>1690848
Well scart and Japanese RGB cables and devices are wired differently, so the difference is more than just the 50/60 Hz difference.

>>1690856
They may be wired differently, but the signal is the same, just use an adapter cable japanese scart -> eur scart. But I'd try it without an adapter first if you still have to buy one, it might work without any conversion.

Holy shit /vr/, why didn't I know before that CRTs are so great for everything
I picked up pic related at a garage sale for $5, a RCA to VGA converter for $10, hooked up all the old consoles, and it's much better than playing on any LCD screen I've ever used.
My question is, did I pick up a quality display? Some quick googling doesn't give me too much, but for 5$, I'm not really expecting it to be top-tier.

>>1690873
If you're happy with it, don't worry about it. If it's better than anything you've used LCD-wise, isn't it already top tier to you so far? Don't ruin it for yourself.

>>1690867
Well if you go all the way back, the question is what cables to buy in the first place. Seems weird to buy cables based on no good reason, then buy adapters if they don't work.

>>1690873
I've used similar models as PC monitors and liked them for that.

>>1690890
The RGB output circuits differs between the NTSC and PAL consoles. As a result the cables are different too. Nobody I know of is selling a cable to connect a japanese console to an american tv set. So you can mod your own cable to correspond to the scart input of your tv, presuming it will take the signal (so make sure it can display at at least 60Hz)
Or you can get an adapter.

>>1690902
>Implying there are American TV sets with SCART

inb4 RCA Dimensia

Will VGA to S-Video introduce any input delay? Maybe some drop in image quality?

>YouTube Neo Geo collector
>Dual 20" PVM setup
My god. I just want one fucking 20"

>>1690928
Well you'll be converting from a progressive scan format to an interlaced one so what do you think? Learn to CRT_Emudriver.

>>1690928
Of course it will you fucking retard.

>>1690819
>How would I get 15khz/240p stuff with integrated graphics (presumably intel's).
I don't think you can...grab a HD4350, theyre cheap.

>>1690902
>The RGB output circuits differs between the NTSC and PAL consoles. As a result the cables are different too.
No, the outputs are on the same lines using proprietary connectors.

>As a result the cables are different too.
Yes, but wired differently on the TV end. That's what I'm saying.

>Nobody I know of is selling a cable to connect a japanese console to an american tv set.
American TVs use composite, S-video, component, and sometimes VGA. There are Japanese-made cables for Japanese consoles for all of those that apply. I don't get what you're saying.

>So you can mod your own cable to correspond to the scart input of your tv, presuming it will take the signal (so make sure it can display at at least 60Hz)
Or you can get an adapter.
No, what you do is get the cables that work for your display equipment, period. They will work on your console unless the console *requires* modding no matter what to handle RGB.

>>1690928
Big drop in image quality, especially at higher resolutions. Even at very low-res you would see a slight difference.

Can a PS2 and a PS1 use the same kind of SCART cable? Same goes for N64 and SNES.

>>1691059
Yes on PS/PS2[/PS3]. I've never messed about with N64 RGB so I don't know.

>>1691059
Are you really that dumb?

>>1690942
>>1691035
I was already expecting quality to drop, but will there be any input delay?

>>1690978
to what part of my question?

>>1691059

N64 doesn't have RGB. I guess you could if you modded it.

>>1689104
new Strobe LCDs have less image retention and blurring then today's plasmas,
making them look very close or identical to CRTs (at least when it comes to fast motion)

Image quality is debatable as both are digital, the quality of the panel, source and the scaler will determine the final quality of the image.

Strobe LCDs will likely become more common in the future (or possibly not if OLEDs takeover. OLEDs can't strobe)

the problem is they only work on PC right now (console games can't use the strobe setting. Yet)
(Strobe LCDs have the same wavy line effect when you try to photograph or record video of them, just like CRTs)

(G-SYNC monitors supports strobing at 85Hz and at 144Hz, some will do 15hz and 31hz with a driver hack)

>>1691129
Are you that dense that I really have to explain it?

>>1690978
>>1691169
Hey, chill out.

>>1688714

Anything with some ability to boost brightness or color intensity if you want to use 240p scanlines.

Image quality-wise even common dot mask CRTs are quite good for low resolution games.

>>1691174
Not my fault you're a CRT idiot.

>>1691168
LightBoost is another name for the technology

>>1691183
Are those artificial scanlines? (Placed there by the emulator)

>>1691190

The last one is. The first one isn't if it is produced by using 240p 120hz display mode, though it looks almost exactly the same as using 480p with scanlines aside from some brightness and frame rate differences.

>>1691184
hey man, lay off the rookie. We were all green... Once.

>>1691192
The scanlines look wider apart on the last image, (they also look a little thinner in width)

Have all the "everything that isn't professional grade is shit" and "everything that isn't a trinitron is shit" faggots finally stopped coming to these threads?

>>1691215

If you can get your hands on something professional grade, you should do so.

But yeah dot masks and slot masks can be great too, and there are plenty of crappy Trinitron screens out there as well.

Hey CRT dudes. I got a Trinitron today for free. Problem is, it's only got a coax input on the back. What is my best course of action to get my retro systems hooked up to this? I don't have any RF Modulaters and I remember that not looking nice anyway. You guys rant about "SCART" all the time but I don't know what that is. Anyone care to enlighten me?

>>1691310
You only see SCART on European TVs. It's a connector used to send composite, S-video, and RGB (about as good as component) signals.

Honestly RF on Trinitron doesn't look bad at all, and it may feel quite nostalgic to you.

>>1691310

You'll probably want to find a better TV. You can get them for free if you're willing to wait/trawl through craigslist (word of advice: search "tv" instead of something like "crt").

SCART is a delivery method for RGB, RGB being a lossless video signal. Other common signals - namely composite - are not lossless, and will degrade the picture quality to varying degrees. Typically the quality goes RGB > Component > S-Video > Composite >>> RF.

>>1691332
Your use of lossless and lossy is weird. RGB will give you the best signal possible assuming that's the native color space of the source signal (with retro vidya it is), but even that is not "lossless."

>>1691332
RGB is not lossless, only digital is (and only theoretically).

Composite, S-video, and RF are worse because they mix more parts of the video signal together over less wires.

>>1691310
Nothing you can do. Best try to find another Trinitron with better hookups.

I'd rather play any retro console on a shit CRT over RF than any LCD.

>>1691368
Same. LCD lag and jaggies with original hardware is worse than even a moderately a noisy CRT image with no lag, natural blur, and smooth motion.

>>1691353
>>1691356

Okay, I meant lossless in the context of retro consoles since they usually process the image as RGB.

>>1691384
Yeah, that's true, you're not doing anything to the signal after it leaves the PPU.

>>1691310

Actually, I am curious to see what kind of Trini you got that only has RF.

>>1691389
I've seen quite a few at thrift stores, anywhere from 14" to 25".

>>1691396

Around what era? 80s? Practically everything except for really shit budget sets had at least composite in the 90s.

>>1691397
Late 1980s, maybe some as late as 1991 but doubtful.

There was no SCART... SO I ADDED IT!
pft, who wants to use 25pin dsub?!

>>1691404
didn't make the best cut though..

>>1691384
Hmm, probably a more accurate term would be "native," as in RGB is the native signal type and every other output signal type is converted from it on retro consoles.

>>1691406

>>1691412
and here's a shot of bushido blade 2, it worked!

>>1691404
>>1691416
Good job anon! Was the a display that previously only had a 25-pin CMPTR port or something?

>>1691425
it was.
and thanks!
I really need to get scart for snes and genesis now. Craving some Ghouls n' Ghosts again.

>>1691451
If anybody is curious I just lifted the contacts from underneath the 25pin port under a pcb, followed this...
so it's just RGB, 3 grounds and c-sync that I looped under the pcb, out some hole, and once I get a power drill, it'll be properly attached to the back shell.

I had to hit the brightness button about 30 times to get the ps2 scart cable to be normal brightness though. I wonder if there's resistors inside the cable. :/

>>1690873

>NEC

Yup, NEC is a top-tier brand anon.

>>1691192

The first and the last one look like yes, they're artificial, the second one seems to have natural scanlines.

>>1691310

Well you can use this one for Atari and pre-NES consoles anon. Do you have more photos?

Posted this on the previous thread and got zero replies so I'm trying this again, just took my first PVM plunge with a PVM-14N5U for $20 at a local PC recycling place. It lacks RBG but has S-video. How well did I do? SNES picture looks bold and crisp. Also what are the recommended settings for maximum visual fidelity for SNES running in S video on one of these puppies?

>>1691726
What game is that?

>>1691791
Schbibinman Zero for Nintendo's sattelite system in Japan, this is from a repro cart of it I have. Pretty fun game, most of the other titles were on the PC Engine, plays kind of like a Mega Man clone.

I know about widescreen HD CRTs but there were other widescreen, 16:9 sets available even in the 90s, right? Stuff like pic-related, or the widescreen Sony profeel that you could only get in Japan.

Hello there.

>tfw Official PlayStation and PlayStation 2 RGB SCART cables

>>1691726
>>1691797
Oh, that's cool. I've always wanted to play those games

I say you did damn well. I also just picked up a PVM-14m2U

S-video looks great on it. I think its because S-video has a little more bleed/blur to it.

and it can look more natural on some tittles (like how sonic 2 has no transparency effects when displayed with RGB)

take some more shots of your setup if you can. would love to see more.

>>1692289
that looks awesome, can you control the overscan?

is that rgb scart or composite scart?

and, how's your sound setup?

love the they way you have it laid out so far.

>>1692518
Sound is only mono through the monitor. It doesn't sound at all bad though.

You can control the h. size and v. position from the dials on the side. I adjusted the image using the pots on the chassis using a 240p image. It's not 100% perfect, but it is pretty damn close.

Of course, it is RGB SCART. Composite SCART isn't really a thing anyway.

>>1692283
japan and europe had lots of strange stuff we never got in the states. but we did have some widescreen crts in 90's and early 2000's

Do we have a wiki for CRTs or something? I just found a local site with a whole fuckload of monitors for dirt cheap. and I wanna know what's the best option. There's a PVM-145e for 15 bucks, a Honeywell HMC14, Hitachi CPM1404, CCTV CH-1516H... I also heard you can rig old 15kHz pc monitors to display RGB signals. I am just so lost here ;_;

>>1692535
very nice,

is this your youtube video?

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDRAHRnyVgM

>>1692546
15kHz PC monitors are fairly rare. Don't count on finding one.

Also probably want to avoid any CCTV.

Look out for multiscan, EDTV, high-end NEC/Mitsubishi/Sony, aperture-grille, etc, with the inputs you need.

If you end up with more than you need, I'm sure someone will be willing to take them off your hands.

>>1692548
Yes. Made it for a /vr/ thread earlier in the year. I have a much better camera now so I could make a better video - might do someday.

The place where I work still uses a bunch of big black Viewsonic monitors on some of the computers that employees can use on break, I wonder if they'd give them to me if I offered to trade them for a few cheapo 4:3 LCDs I have lying around...

>>1692562
can't hurt to try. I guess.

>>1692289

Noice. I've found a KX-14CP1 and I'm trying to get a hand on it, for my future MSX setup.

>>1692562
If you offer to trade them, you might have to deal with their accounting department. If they're farily large and doing things right, pretty sure they have to track inventory value for insurance purposes.

Just expect red tape if it's a big business instead of a mom&pop place, especially in a developed country.

>>1692546
http://www.compucanjes.com/products/category/20-monitores-tubo-crt.html
In case anyone wants to give me a hand.

>>1692549
You got any specific models in mind?

>>1692601
There are too many that are good, you'll just have to take the plunge on one that looks nice.

>>1692593

Well, given that it's Target, I'm probably fucked then.

>>1692573
MSX is a good call. I just run consoles through it really currently. Eventually want a X68000 setup.

>>1692626

Doesn't the x68000 require a Multisync monitor?

>>1692627
I guess it depends on the software.

>>1692629

Well, from what I've emulated, most of them start in 31kHz mode.

>>1692626
>http://www.retrogamer.info/best/x68000/

x68000 looks like it has lots of arcade ports. does it have any good original titles? or just ports?

I know its a little off topic.

PVM 14L4

>>1692289
Always a pleasure to see your set-up. Have you tested third party RGB SCART cables too? I wonder if there's much difference in quality.

>>1692692
use a tripod to get that shot?

>>1691310
I once had a tv like this and the only way i could play things was to get a composite to coax converter. I honestly forget how much the quality took a toll, but i remember it being a pain in the ass to get a good signal sometimes like using early cable.

You had to fiddle with it for a bit and let it sit in the same spot to get the best picture, if that makes any sense at all.

>>1692715
>composite to coax converter
That's called an RF modulator. There are simple generic ones that take composite and S-video.

Something to know about those is that even though they'll often take stereo inputs, they won't modulate a stereo audio signal for a stereo TV without direct inputs. If you're lucky, it will downmix both channels to mono, instead of discarding one of the channels.

>>1692707
As it's almost stupidly difficult to find the Official SCART cables for PS1 and PS2 without spending loads of cash, I've been using the well made SCART cables from retro gaming accessories off of ebay. She makes top quality stuff and honestly from the RBG quality I see from my PS1 and PS2 using her cables, I wouldn't be surprised if they were identical when compared to the official ones.

ID on this anyone?
its on local adverts for free but the pictures shitty and i cant see the inputs

>>1692756
this too, it's a panasonic

>>1692626
>>1692690

Where do you guys find those things? Most of the MSXs on ebay are pretty expensive and I've never seen an x68000.

>>1692762
Since PS2 doesn't discriminate when it comes to 16:9, I would go for this widescreen one but this is /vr/.

>>1692756

Late 80s/Early 90s on that one, judging by the fact that it only has mono sound.

>>1692762 could be good for 6th/7th gen if it's HD, especially if it's free. Looks like a quintrix too, which I've heard good things about.

>>1692756
>>1692762
>advert
What country are you in? You haven't provided any details besides using a word not common in the US.

>>1692792
>Since PS2 doesn't discriminate when it comes to 16:9
Of course it does, on the majority of games that offer no anamorphic mode.

>>1692809
whoops sorry i forgot thats very important signal wise, im in ireland/eurofag/scart land

>>1692792
yeah im just waiting to see if it has composite, its actually just around the corner too.

>>1692802
its like 32"

>>1692820
*component

>>1692824

It's bound to have it, I've never seen an HD CRT without component.

>>1692835
ill take either really, im leaning towards the trinitron more due to space.
this is what im using at the moment, a small panasonic

>>1692851
>this is what im using at the moment, a small panasonic

>dat description
>I can almost see it

>>1692856
i forgot the image, chill out neger
i hardly know the model number off by heart

TC14S4RL
i think it might be from late 80s

>>1688848
just copped this same tv from a guy an hour away this weekend. I LOVE it. its really great that good crts are so cheap and unwanted by the general public lol

>>1692863
It was a joke my brother from a dark mother. It was 3 minutes and you hadn't posted the pic yet, I took a chance to be so, so funneh.

>>1688924
that tv is the holy fuckin grail to me. cant find it anywhere. but my kv-27fs110 is fine until then!

>>1692707
Thanks. Third party cables tend to be okay to be honest, I just prefer Official accessories - including cables. When it comes to the Sony cables in partciular the quality is right up there. Currently sitting on Official RGB cables for Dreamcast, Saturn (both revisions of cable), Xbox, GameCube, PlayStation and PlayStation 2. Probably gonna get Wii next, and a Wii. I've even read that the Official DC cable is wired incorrectly in that it misses a few ground points, although I never found this to be an issue.

>>1692748
Have heard great things about her cables - they're all properly shielded, unlike many other third party cables. I'm probably going to ask her to make me a custom cable for my PC Engine Duo R once I bother RGB modding it.

Do you know if she puts a voltage pullup in the cable? In both of my Official Sony cables, and pretty much all of my other cables, the console voltage is converted to 12V so that the display knows to auto switch to AV1/RGB and 4:3 - third party cables may switch your display to 16:9 for example. Kinda annoying.

Not that it matters, this Sony that I have has no tuner. I love it. lol

>>1692791
MSX don't appear to be too much, but when X68000 pop up on eBay they go for tons. I'm hoping to get a dodgy unit from Japan and repair it myself, some day. As for this display, I believe it was being used for video editing and it cost me £30 posted, which turned out to be a bit of a bargain.

>>1692835
It should be noted that HD CRT are awful at displaying a 15kHz image.

>>1692889
yeah that's what's kinda putting me off the hd crt, the only extra bonus is component ps2 but most sets here have scart.

does anyone have the comparison pictures that used to be in the OP of the CRT threads ?
maybe it was a wiki page.

>>1692690
>does it have any good original titles?
You can count them on one hand. 99% are ports.

Just noticed this in my gf's parent's backyard shed, any good? It's heavy as shit by the way.

>>1693103

Those are good for:

- Playing 6th/7th/8th Generation games on
- Watching blu-rays

I would say they're better than flat panels for these purposes, but they're pretty bad for retro vidya since they do the same upscaling shit that other digital displays do. Still, if it's free then I would use it, if you can find space for it.

/vr/ help!
I have a Samsung TX-P2764 that I've been using for my retro gaming and I fear it may have finally kicked the bucket. Whenever I try to turn it on it emits a high pitched whining sound and I get no audio or video at all. Has anyone else been in this situation before?

>>1691460
Anon anon aaaanon, your posts came with celestial chants and trumpets for me, I just got a PVM-2030 today and I was just about to buy these cables, but tonight I'm gonna sleep late doing that too.

This is my first RGB experience so I really hope this is a good monitor, does it look good anon?

>>1693151
Time to replace the flyback transformer I guess.

Just kidding, don't, get another TV.

>>1692289
boner get

>>1693458
That's what I feared. I guess you're right anon. Damn it.

>>1692814
In my experience, the games that offered in-game 16:9 option was only to fix the UI stretching and FOV. The games that didn't had great looking widescreen graphics but the UI stretched.

>>1693454
heh, mine's a 2030 as well.
looks really good, just be careful of the flyback and the anode clip... and the everything else.

here's a pinout for the 25pin on the back I uploaded... http://i.imgur.com/y2s0Uzh.jpg

I soldered under the pcb of the connector, the pins all stick out of it underneath so they're actually not too hard to solder too if you're patient enough. you also have to unplug all of those plugs on the pcb for the inputs as well. After that you can prop the board up ( I had mine at about a 45 degree angle) and begin to solder. tie the bunch of wires together after you've soldered and loop them under the pcb that's a little raised to the upper left close to where you soldered to contacts; you should be able to figure out how to loop it out the side from there.

you could just shell out for the adapter though haha! I just did this because I thought it would be cool and give me a little experience with soldering / modding.

Good luck anon.

>>1693103
Looks closest to one of Sony's Super Fine Pitch tubes, which are some of the best CRT HDTVs ever made. Off-chance that it's one of the models that had a more common tube, but something about the bezel color tells me it's one of the really good ones (it looks like mine).

I really like them for non-retro vidya.

>>1688848
I've got pretty much the same one at home, and a little one similar to that here at my desk. Unless its on some sort of modern hardware with HD upscaling and shit, I think these are really the best way to go for a lot of retro games, and you can get them super cheap. I'd have picked one up for my apartment already if I wasn't afraid it would break the TV stand my current living room CRT is on.

>>1693103
I had a toshiba tv like that a couple of years ago that I picked up on craigslist for like $20. The thing was such a bitch to get into my dorm room but the quality was really nice. The speakers were a lot better than many lcd's since they actually have space for them. They say that HD crt's have better contrast ratios than most LCD's too so it'll probably look pretty nice. Retro games did look kinda butt on mine but my 360 looked good, and if you got the right cables you could probably get some retro games looking better.

>>1693889
It was a great TV, but one day the left side of the screen turned totally blurry. It was strange and no one knew how to fix it.

So I had to let it go... :'(

Is there a CRT TV that can do HDTV (or just 480p) when given the proper signal but that can also handle 480i/240p natively, without filters and up-scalers that introduce lag?

>>1694784
15kHZ multiscan? There are a few arcade monitors, some PVM/BVM should as well.

Has anyone heard of the KV-27FS12 model Trinitron? Saw it on craigslist and is pretty much the only one available in my area.

How do you find PVM and BVM if you live outside of California?

>>1694794
SD Trinitron with both component and S-video. Should be pretty good.

>>1694794
I've got the 30" model and it's pretty nice, but don't expect good geometry from it.

It's a shame it won't do EDTV - it's easily sharp enough, as you can see the scanlines clearly in 480i if you take a photo of it.

>>1694814
Damn, how do you find PVM and BVM if you live in Mexico.

>>1694823
>>1694826
Thanks for the help, still gonna pick it up although I'm a little disappointed it doesn't support 480p.

>>1694846
Try a flea market.
There's an old guy in my city that has been trying to sell one for months. I'd buy it but it is an old model that only has RGB and composite.

Is there anyone here who own a JVC videosphere? I saw it on /g/ and it looked pretty cool.

>>1694826
It's more of a shame that Sony couldn't do the multisyncing shit they did with the high end PVMs and BVMs. That TV with multisync would have been a great stand by.

brionvega dhoney fag here. idk how I got it, and I have two, but I do use this as my main tv still in the year of our lord MMXIV. Pic related is the back of my tv. You see that 75 omega (which I assume is ohm) thing below the antenna (I unplugged the antenna since Analog shut down, it doesn't work anymore)? Well I need to know exactly what type of adapter to get to convert it to something where I can screw in an coax cable for tv as well as my really old vidya. Thanks

Also, do those HDMI to RCA adapter really work? And by that, I mean can I have a 720p signal going into that thing and it shoots out a 480i signal on the other end?

>>1694861

While I'm sure there has to be some practical purpose to making such a bizarrely shaped TV, I for the life of me can't think of it.

>>1693103
Took a pic of the back, it has decent inputs

>>1695550
The problem isn't with its inputs the problem is that if you feed it interlaced content (from any and every /vr/ system other than Dreamcast) it's going to convert it to progressive scan "enhanced definition" just like a modern HDTV does.

>>1695164
It was for hipsters.

>>1695067

Nigga that thing has an SCART port!!
Get that shitty RCA converter out of the way and buy SCART/RGB cables. It's the best signal that consoles of old can output.

9/10 chances you're in Europe. You should have no problems getting them.

See this: http://www.chrismcovell.com/gotRGB/rgb_compare.html
to compare the signal you get plugging the red white yellow pins against what you would get with SCART.

>>1691404

You... you ADDED AN RGB PORT?! Holy shit!! Images to rate output quality pls.

>>1695550
I'd like to have that fucking TV as my main TV. Jesus christ.

Hey anons, what's the 240p test you mentioned earlier?

>>1695580
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=240p+test+suite

>>1695572
Well, he turned one kind of RGB port into another kind. Basically hardwired the SCART to CMPTR adapter and mounted the scart port why not?

>>1695550
is there any TV that has more than 2 components? I find very hard to change between my Wii u, my ps3 and my xbox 360 everytime I want to play one of them because I have to move my heavy monster TV to change the cables.

Good thing PS2 and PS3 shares the same cable so I can play ps1 games easily, the same goes for the Wii and Wii U to play emulators.

>>1695562

Poor guy has probably been using composite this whole time without realizing that there's a scart port hidden under that converter.

>>1695596
There are switch boxes that work fine.

>>1695596

It would have to be a pretty big TV, as usually only bigger TVs will have multiples of the same input.

Try getting a cheap switch box maybe.

>>1695590
yeah, though it is still possible to wire directly to the neckboard if you're a badass fucker. Though you'll probably need to get a sync splitter for separate h and v sync from composite, but that depends on the tv. I've seen people online do it with trinitron tvs and the results were nice despite being kind of dark even with an rgb amp (5v)

>>1695608
oohh, I had a cool idea!
custom wood grain tvs with low res arcade monitors in them taking in rgb from the chip on the board of a n64 and with four controller ports on the front of the tv. built in speakers with tube amplifiers to light up a nintendo logo. it'd be like a crt with a dvd player in it.... but with N64 /:D.

also insert cartridge like you would on the gameboy player on GC

>>1695550
>widescreen HD CRT
dropped

>>1695608
Yeah I saw a video on Youtube of some guy doing that with an N64. Almost made me want to start modding in Genesis specific DINs onto thrift store TVs to resell.

>>1695552
Damn and that's going to introduce input lag huh? Shame they're giving it to me for free, I was hoping for lag free 480p

>>1695642
If you send it 480p from like a PS2 you'll get exactly that, but not from a 480i/240p source. The lag will probably be less than on a lot of LCDs though but you definitely won't be getting native mode.

How or Hitachi CRTs?
My parents have one that's over 40 inches, I'm thinking about buying it off of them.

>>1695657
No production CRT over 40".

>>1695550
me again: >>1693882

Almost definitely a 34XBR960. Considered by some *the* best CRT HDTV ever made, definitely the best Sony ever made.

>>1695664
Maybe I'm not to familiar with what a CRT is exactly, but it's over 40", big and boxy, has one of those projector thingies in it (like CRTs), but it's screen has a ridged texture to it.

>>1695657
40" is as big as CRTs get so...

>>1695584


I don't know why I asked that. I know what the test suite does.
What I meant to ask is if there is a way to fine-tune the TV settings. I've read somewhere that you can change the alignment of the image and other things with a manufacturer-only code that you can input with the remote, RGB intensities via potentiometers and such.

Anyone?

>>1695552
>The problem isn't with its inputs the problem is that if you feed it interlaced content (from any and every /vr/ system other than Dreamcast)
No, if you feed it interlaced content from a Dreamcast, it will still be deinterlaced.

(Yes, I know what you meant, but it's not what you typed.)

>>1695668
That's rear projection.

>>1695676
Are those still worth owning, compare to CRTs?

I have a couple of CRTs, but they both make a high pitched buzzing/ringing noise when they're turned on.
It gives me a headache, so I never use them. Why the fuck do they do that?

>>1695657
Hitachi were well known for their CRT RPTVs. That's rear-projection (as opposed to direct-view like a typical CRT TV).

RP always had its own set of issues regardless of what kind of display technology was being used inside, but CRT RPTVs are actually very underrated when it comes to vidya. That's probably an HDTV, and if so, you should try a PS3 or something on it. You might be surprised how much you like it.

>>1695680
I would never own rear projection CRT.

>>1695683
They could be failing, or you could be sensitive to the sound of the 15kHz scanrate they normally produce. This is an extremely high-pitched sound, I hear it whenever there is a 480i CRT powered on.

Try going out to a thrift store and turning on some CRT TVs, if you don't hear that sound you might just have bad flyback transformers. I'm 30 and I still hear it as loud as when I was a little kid. It kind of sucks, it's the only reason I use HD CRTs for my old games. The lag is noticeable.

>>1695680

I've heard mixed things. Some of them are actually CRT based and use small CRTs to generate the image that is projected onto the screen. They have the same issues that HD CRTs do though, i.e. digital scaling and stuff like that.

>>1695668
>>1695676
>>1695680
I posted this: >>1695687
before reading any of these replies. Sorry.

>>1695690
RPTV always got a bad rep, for good reason all throughout the SDTV days. But the first time I saw what Hitachi and Mitsubishi were doing with CRT RPTV in person, I changed my tune.

I would always prefer direct-view, but CRT RPTV is awesome in my book.

>>1695687

I've seen some RP TVs and considered one for my HD consoles, but what always bugs me is that they come attached to these absolutely god-awful stands that just look horrendous. Do you know if most can be separated from the stand or not?

>>1695694
Just about any display technology can be projected. CRT used mini CRT guns, LCoS, DLP, etc. are all examples of RPTVs. What makes CRT RPTVs unique compared to them is that they have all the positives and negatives of analog CRT technology combined with the larger viewing size of projection and the potentially washed out color in the presence of ambient light. Plus they are somewhat fragile things, needing special maintenance and preventative care.

Speaking only as someone who has watched movies and played games on some very nice HD ones in stores, I like them fine.

>>1695705
No, those stands tend to contain the important internal parts of the TV and serve a purpose.

I almost bought a great Hitachi for a nice deal but I let one stupid detail (a broken caster wheel) keep me from doing it. I have regretted it ever since. After canvassing my entire area, that basically was the last Hitachi for 50 miles and I let it go at a clearance price. Felt pretty bad.

>>1695673
Ah, you mean the Service Menu, some tvs have a certain menu that you activate via some codes with the remote as you say.

You need to search on google the model of your tv and how to acces this service menu.

Then check on a manual or something what the hell does those words and numbers mean so you don't change any important value

Note that not all tvs let you change the geometry of the picture, some have more options than others and such.

Pic related: Is my TV's Service Menu.

>>1695608
I like what this guy did

http://web.archive.org/web/20100530092159/http://133fsb.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/adding-an-rgb-input-to-a-cheap-generic-ntsc-tv/

Makes me want to try it on some old tv I would probably found lying in the street, just for fun.

Looking for a decent RGB monitor for some retro gaming. Anyone have any suggestions which are affordable? PVMs are obviously out.

>>1695779
I didn't read it but I think I recall seeing that about a year ago or something somwhere. Is he just using the OSD overlay for input?

>>1695782
In the US PVM/BVM monitors are the most popular choice, but you could look up commodore monitors. they'll do 15khz rgb 240p no problem, they'll also do composite and have speakers built in.
I think Ben Heck used a 1084s or something for his neo geo bartop cabinet build. looked really nice.

I looked on ebay and the monitors can be had anywhere from 90-200 it looks like.

>>1695883
Yes, that's exactly what he did.

Looks like it doesn't look as good as a RGB monitor, but it does look better than composite, it must be very weird to see such a shitty TV with such a good quality picture.

>>1695782
http://www.curtpalme.com/CRTforSale_EntryLevel.shtm

Could always go CRT projector, it's beautiful!

>>1690819
CRT_emudriver only supports the ATI cards listed in the link below. It won't work with Intel's integrated graphics.

http://mame.3feetunder.com/windows-ati-crt-emudriver/

>I will never have a 20 inch PVM that doesn't cost a shitload
Why go on living?

>>1692756 here

this trinitron has scart on the back so tis all good, does anyone know how heavy these things would be ? could i carry it around the corner by myself ?

>>1695562
I live in AZ lol, that's why I said I have no idea how I have 2 of them. I know about the scart thing, I just don't have any scart cables.

>>1695598
the converters a piece of shit anyways, I never used it because the audio doesn't work. I've just never used that slot at all because I can't find any scart adapters period.

Anyways i'm still looking on how to get cable in my tv

>>1695067
>>1696360
That's a UK/Euro-style aerial connector and you need an American-style F connector.

Double-check for yourself, but this should do it:
http://www.amazon.com/kenable-Connector-Socket-Aerial-Adapter/dp/B003OSUU14

>>1695562
>9/10 chances you're in Europe.
115v input...

>>1696461
Why ask a question to be sure when you can gamble a shitty guess for free?

PS2 SCART or Component?
Not gonna be using progressive since I'm on a CRT.

>>1696468
words to live by

>>1696742
Doesn't matter. PS2 isn't retro, btw.

>Not gonna be using progressive since I'm on a CRT.
CRT HDTVs can do progressive scan.

>>1696360
Where did you get TVs with SCART?

>>1696817
i think only europe

getting this >>1692756
tommorow for free
theyre even really nice and are delivering it

I'm trying to build a small PC for cheap and fit it into an NES case since I have a few sitting around and it would save me money on buying a case. I know TVs only accept 15khz signals. The motherboard I'm buying has a build in CPU with integrated graphics, and has composite and S-video out ports on it. Since it can send these composite and s-vid signals does that mean that they're already 15khz, meaning I won't need to muck about with any drivers to get the TV to accept it?

>>1697042

Forgot to mention that this is emulation so I would like to if it's easy to get 240p on PC with Retroarch without having to use something like the CRT emudriver.

>>1697042
Composite and S-video on your integrated graphics? That's cool.

>>1697051

Component too actually.

>>1697068
Show us the board

>he doesn't own a Trinitron
you have twenty seconds to make an excuse for yourself

>>1697079

There are some nice non-trinitron monitors, like this Ikegam BVM.

>>1697079

>HURR SONY STRONK

>>1697073

>>1697042
>>1697048
Unfortunately, it's not that simple. You'll get 480i at best no matter what you do. 240p requires special hardware and software.

If you want 240p that badly using your current setup, you're better off getting a CRT monitor and using a superwide 480p resolution with interlacing.cg.

is there a term for those generic 2000's TVs? the ones that all have the exact same remote, with there being audio/mono RCA at front, with a headphone jack next to them?

pic related, they all had this remote

>>1697091
Ooh, nice retro tech there. Not an insult, I like this stuff.

>>1697206
Wouldn't exactly say it's retro since it's from maybe around 2005 or so (judging by the presence of DVI but lack of HDMI), but it's still outdated, though easily enough for a HTPC/Emulator machine

>>1697148
Shit, that's unfortunate. Maybe I'll stick with my Wii for now, although the GBA emulation on that is a bit spotty.

>>1697159

Don't know the name but I feel I know what you're talking about, they were a bunch of cheap TVs that all used tubes and I believe powerboards licensed from a single company.

>>1688638
I got my CRT with 1920 by 1080 resolution

>>1697032
And Australia

>>1697316
I didn't mean retro in the /vr/ sense, but pretty dang old. 2008-ere motherboards are among some of my "favorites," don't know why. This reminds me of them.

>>1697476
Nope.
SCART isn't like PAL, it's very much a European-only standard. I'm an Ausfag and the only place I ever saw SCART was in the obscure cable section of specialist electronics retailers. Cost me a damn arm and a leg importing RGB cables from the UK.

So in actuality, Australia is just as bad-off as America when it comes to SD; worse perhaps, since I still don't even know what S-video is.

>>1695779

This chilean nigger is a gift from God to retro gamers everywhere.

>>1697550
Chileans and argentinians are white.

I remember hearing somewhere that there was some country where people got paid 900 dollars or something by the government to throw out their CRTs in favor of displays with lower power consumption. Is this true? Where was it?

>>1697148

Actually I just read that if I use linux (which I wanted to do anyway since I'm working with limited hardware) I can use a bit of driver-independent software called xrandr to force 240p.

I figured I'd give gambling on PVMs a shot, so I got a PVM-20M4U and a PVM-1271Q for $5 but I've got to pick them up.

Is it worth trying old models like these still?

>>1697773
At that price I would try a different one every day for a couple of months.

>>1697560
>Argentinians
>white

>>1697773

Jesus Christ, you must live in SoCal if you can get PVMs for that cheap and have them somewhere nearby.

And the answer is go fucking pick those up before someone else jumps on them.

What's the difference between a PVM and a BVM?

>>1697790

Get the fuck out, /int/. Not that anon, but chileans and argentineans are white.

>>1697773
Buy them.

>>1697817
I live in Ohio.

>>1697837
I already bought them, sorry for the poor wording.

I heard around 6-7 years of constant usage the tubes on them go bad, I'd imagine they were used heavily, how easily can these be fixed if I have any issues? specifically the 20"`

>>1697853

>tubes on them go bad

Hmmm...not sure about tubes going bad, most of the time what happens to ANY display is secondary components like the powerboard experience issues. It is fixable if you have the knowledge to be able to safely work on a device capable of delivering a 10000 volt shock if you fuck up.

If the tube is actually the thing that goes you probably wouldn't have a whole lot of luck fixing it since, you know, that's the core of the technology. Like I said though, tubes don't usually die, which is why extremely old TVs still work (and I would imagine a professional grade model would be built far better than most consumer grade TVs), though I suppose they could if this was a display left on 24/7 for broadcast or security or something like that.

>>1697861
It's just something I read off hand, I think in the archive actually lol. Only one person said this however, good to know either way that they'll probably not be shit then.

>>1697820
The 'P' is for Professional, the 'B' is for Broadcast. Generally the Broadcast Video Monitors have more options, higher resolution, etc.

For retro gaming it doesn't matter too much as long as you have component/RGB input and not too many hours on the tube.

>>1697817
Then I must've gotten ripped off. I paid $120 for my 20m4u and I don't live too far away in NorCal

>>1697930

No, that's pretty typical. I meant from the standpoint of having them nearby, I don't know how he managed to get not one but TWO for five dollars.

Question for those with a PVM or BVM:

How do you properly turn these things off and on? I have a Sony BVM and when plugged in and turned "off" it goes into standby mode. I don't particularly like to leave it on that as I don't play for a few days at a time, so I unplug the TV.

When I come back to play again and plug it in, it turns on fine but I feel like I'm doing damage to it by plugging it back in from said standby mode.

TL:DR What's the proper way to turn on and off these kinds of TV's? Is slight buzzing in the back of the TV normal?

>>1697935
You're doing fine. They don't have to be plugged in permanently.

Guy about an hours drive away has pic-related. Can anyone tell me more about them?

>>1697945
Look at how cute the little TV's are!

>>1697945
The question is can *you* tell anything more about them?

I can tell you the Panasonic editing S-VHS decks are really nice if you work with them at all. They were more common than even JVC and Sony in most production houses from what I could tell.

I can offer no more info on the monitors without more info from *you*.

>Work in a University/Hospital complex
>They upgraded all their imaging displays and threw the rest in storage years back
>Redundant stock put into storage
>Stumble upon this as they're clearing out the storage facility
>All the medical imaging HD CRTs I could ever want, free

>>1698003
sweet bro, sounds like non-retro nirvana

>tfw you've found a bunch of KX-14CP1 and KX-21PS1 for really cheap, but the owners either don't answer to your mails or live in a lost village in the middle of nowhere

>>1698115
Did they put a phone number in the listing? Usually if they do they wont answer their e-mail.

>>1698126

Some did, but some other didn't.

>>1698132
Well, hit their phone numbers up tomorrow and I'm sure you'll get a response.

>>1698141

'kay, thanks for the advice.

>>1697091
that's a really cool mobo, i might get one and build a rig just for emulators

>>1697991

I looked a bit more into it.

The monitors, are, judging from the model number on the listing, black and white, indicating they were probably meant to be used with cameras for security or something. Why what is evidently some kind of editing house (these were on a listing with a bunch of cameras) would use monochrome displays is beyond me. Anyways, I emailed the guy about them and apparently he's selling them for his parents. According to him they aren't B/W but he hasn't checked yet.

>>1697935

Plug it into a power strip with a switch and use that to switch it on/off from standby mode.

>>1697654
Linux kernel has to be patched for 15khz to work IIRC

>>1697035
i got it
but it didn't come with a remote sadly

how do i into crt-photography

When looking out for a 20" PVM what price range should I look out for?

>>1696815
But PS2 is SD which makes it relevant to this thread you nigger

>>1696815
>implying hes not playing ps1 games on it

>>1699105
As low as possible. Never over $200

>>1698864
Sounds like you're working on answering all your own questions. Nice.

But since you won't even post the model number of the display or the URL of the listing, it also sounds like you don't really need input from the thread.

How good does PSP-3000 TV-out work on a CRT? Do emulators make use of it?

>>1699115
See
>>1696742
>Not gonna be using progressive since I'm on a CRT.

Since PS games can't be displayed in 480p using a PS2, anon implied differently. I answered the question anyway, nbd.

>>1699115
Why would I play PS games on a PS2 when I already have a PS?

>>1699294
On a PS2 you get component video

>>1699172
TV-out would probably be 480i, so it'll look kind of meh

>>1699165
Model number is Panasonic WV-BM 990

>>1699172
PSP games are output letterboxed in 480i, but PS1 games are output in 240p

>>1699423
I've heard if you play PS1 games on a PSP with the TV-out in non-progressive mode, you actually do get proper 240p output.

Does anybody have experience with Pelco-branded monitors? I'm looking at a local PMC21a (and not $350, to hell with that)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-In-Box-Pelco-PMC21A-21-High-resolution-Color-Video-Monitor-CCTV-BNC-/251555521034?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a91e0a20a

My concerns are: 1) That it only has composite and s-video inputs and 2) it's Korean manufactured, I read that there was a period where Korean CRTs were particularly sub-par. This one is manufactured in the early 2000's it looks like.

>>1699486

Yes it is true, for the PSP-3000 at least. The PS1 emulator displays games in native resolution, though there is a slight delay when a game swaps between 240p and 480i that doesn't happen on real hardware.

>>1699079
for old TVs I always recommend RCA system link remotes

I also just picked up a CRT myself, like a definitely use some tips on CRT photography

found this stuff

http://digital-photography-school.com/how-to-photograph-an-image-on-a-tv/

You need a slow shutter speed setting on the camera.

The exact speed can depend upon the monitor and refresh rate.

Try 1/30th of a second, if that doesn't work - try 1/15th of a second.

It will help if your camera has a "Shutter Priority" setting.
Then the camera will determine the correct aperture setting automatically.

Just picked up a BVM on the cheap, but 1/3rd of the way down the screen vertically there's a row of white pixels that show up when the monitor has a signal. Also, after about 15 minutes of operation this purple haze showed up in the bottom-left corner.

Is it fucked?

>>1699942
Could you be talking about the retention wire(s) that are common to all Trinitrons?

>>1699986
Maybe.
It's pretty visible though; a bigass white line of pixels interrupting the rest of the picture.

>>1700029
got a pic?

>>1700041
Not at home right now, but I can probably get you a shitty phonecam pic in ~7 hours.

>>1699942
Purple haze in the bottom left, maybe degauss it.

Where can I find a decent monochrome amber monitor?

>>1700471
Auctions and old offices, I suppose. Monochrome monitors are becoming more and more rare these days. Even back in the 90's they were already obsolete, after all.

>>1700471
Maybe try finding the nearest poor school district and see if they stored their old Apple II gear anywhere.

>>1700471
Very old tech auctions, they're going the way of the minicomputer as far as vintage technology is concerned: they're highly collectable and they very fragile.

All in all, you're looking for a monitor that used the P3 phosphor, as opposed to P1 (Green) or P4 (White).

They were probably the most popular in the 70's and early 80's, and they were mostly used in businesses as remote terminals. They were very rarely sold as part of a micro package, although you can occasionally find them like that, the earlier model the more likely it is for that to be the case.

As I said, they are extremely rare and extremely sought after, they won't be around for long.

Well?

>>1700494
what the fuck was the P2 phosphor then? Why the hell would they just skip one

>>1700519
Pretty sure it's this, was never used in monitors, only in oscilloscopes (which it's still used in today). I think the oscilloscope monitor for the PDP was this color as well

>>1700471
>>1700494
>>1700530

I thought this was neat.

>Ghost in the Shell

From Wiki

Pixel for pixel, monochrome monitors produce sharper text and images than color CRT monitors. This is because each pixel on a monochrome monitor is made up of one phosphor dot, located in the center of the pixel; whereas on a color monitor, each pixel is made up of three phosphor dots (one red, one blue, one green), none of which are in the center of the pixel. Monochrome monitors were used in almost all dumb terminals and are still widely used in text-based applications such as computerized cash registers and point of sale systems because of their superior sharpness and enhanced readability.

Some green screen displays were furnished with a particularly full/intense phosphor coating, making the characters very clear and sharply defined (thus easy to read), but generating a somewhat disturbing afterglow-effect (sometimes called a "ghost image") when the text scrolled down the screen or when a screenful of information was quickly replaced with another as in word processing page up/down operations. Other green screens avoided the heavy afterglow-effects, but at the cost of much more pixelated character images. The 5151, amongst others, had brightness and contrast controls to allow the user to set their own compromise.

The ghosting effects of the now-obsolete green screens have become an eye-catching visual shorthand for computer-generated text, frequently (and ironically) in "futuristic" settings. The opening titles of the first Ghost in the Shell film and the Matrix source code of the Matrix trilogy science fiction films prominently feature computer displays with ghosting green text. Green text is also featured in the Swan's computer in Lost series.

>>1700471
http://dec.vecmar.com/products/productpage.asp?pid=2660-DEC_VT510_Terminal

Right here friend, reasonable price, there are higher quality ones for a higher price, and ones for a lower price. Here's a video with that model https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU8DOKVxDJ8

Here's one that claims to be Amber as well, but there's no verification: http://dec.vecmar.com/products/productpage.asp?pid=608-DEC_VT420_Terminal

>>1700507
what is that on? (a BVM?)

>>1700634
Yeeeeees thank you that's exactly what I was looking for. God damn this is sexy as shit.

And that fucking DEC logo at the bottom is just icing on the cake.

Thank you.

>>1700635
It's a Diamondtron CRT monitor.

>>1700634

My VT420 has an amber monitor, I can confirm.

>>1700634
god damn netbsd really does work on everything

>>1700670
>>1700669
Don't know what the fuck happened, I meant to post this

>>1700669
no textmode quake?

>>1700669
That the original keyboard? If so, what switches are they?

>>1700670
>>1700669

MUDs and Rogue-likes are great on this kind of machine.

>>1700673

It uses a 9600 baud null modem cable to get and send information from/to the host machine. It takes 0.5 second to update the whole screen. I don't want to play with a framerate of 2fps.

>>1700675

Yes, it's the original keyboard, and they're rubber-dome.

>>1700676
>BSD and Lynx
>Connect to 4chan
>Hey /g/, you'll never guess where I'm posting from

>>1700683
Ah! Damn.

>>1700684
Man, was there anything like Lynx for one of the original PDP OS's or VAX or something? You could be the one guy on the wikipedia browser statistics that everyone wonders about

>>1700684
I used to post quick messages on 4chan using lynx 8-9 years ago.

>>1700684

You forgot about Captcha. Unless you buy a pass, I don't know How to post with lynx.
However I've tried to post with Netscape 4.07 on my Windows 3.1 machine.

>>1700684
I'd reckon you'd need a pass, even then, with all the cancerous javascript shit Moots added over the years, I doubt it'd work, can you even browser over Lynx as it is?

>>1700689
Man there was some guy on /g/ that managed to load the page using Lynx on SDF over telnet on a ZX Spectrum using TR-DOS but he couldn't post.

>>1700676
>>1700669

Gotta get CAVE or ADVENT on there, so you can waste time like your ancestors did.

>>1700689

I think someone compiled lynx's source code on a Unix version made for these machines (System V, stuff like that).
Man I'd love to get a hand on one of these machines, VAX, PDP8/10/11, IBM System/360, stuff like that. It could be a glorious, oversized, BBS server.

>>1700705

Noice, but using SDF is pretty much like using a local computer with Unix installed on it, an your computer acting as a simple terminal (I already visited 4chan on my Amiga like this). What would be even nicer is if someone made a REAL TCP/IP package for Zx Spectrum and you could visit 4chan in Gigascreen mode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum_graphic_modes#GigaScreen

>>1700707

Nah, to play these games, a Teletype is better suited.

>>1700715
Yeah I really gotta buy or make a teletype one of these days

>>1700715
I used to play around with lynx on an old OpenVMS server running on an Alpha. For almost two years it was my main browser.

>>1700715
http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/ZX_20Spectrum_20Browse

No one's made it yet.

>>1700715
Yeah, it's still feasible to buy some of those older minis and mainframes, but that won't last. These things are only going to get harder to find.

I tell you what I'd give three kidneys for is this.

>>1700738
You can emulate GENERA on Alphas I think. Not the same exactly I know.

>>1700738

There's another possibility: Reconstruction or cloning. They did it back then, there's no reason we couldn't do it now, with all the schematics available out there:
http://www.ibm360.info/
http://www.ibm360.info/7201%20PC.pdf

>>1700749
Oh yeah. I have this dream of producing my own physical copies of as many pieces of software I can find. Mostly I'm just doing cassette/floppy/disc based mediums, I'm saving harder and more obscure formats for when I have more money.

Technically speaking, reproduction hardware using the original software on authentic mediums is about as accurate as we'll be able to be in the coming years.

Sure is more fun than emulation

Not a single post in the last 2 hours has been OT.

>>1700754
There will always be that one guy who wishes he didn't spend 500 dollars on Earthbound that will give you shit for the copies not being "original"

>>1700760
Yeah, the retro hardware talk was tangential thanks to the monochrome monitor/dumb terminal stuff above, but this reproduction stuff is fully off-topic and would be much better served in its own thread if at all (linked here even, if necessary).

Polite sage for meta.

anyone used one of these?

>>1700787

It's too expensive for me anon.

>>1700062
Alrighty.
Here's an image illustrating the purple haze issue. Degaussing didn't seem to fix it. Or at least, pressing the degauss button on the front of the monitor.

>>1700831
do the magnet trick

>>1700831

Turn it off, hit your monitor firmly (it won't break it, it's not a freaking LCD), and turn it on again.
It works for me.

>>1700831
And here's one showing the white line.
White line doesn't show up without using the camera flash, and even then it's hard to see. Very visible in person though. Really distracting, although it disappears in dark backgrounds.

>>1700831
no pic of the white line?

>>1700842
>>1700843
lel

Retention wire.

>>1700845
Are you sure?
It's really noticeable. Not something I'd imagine would be engineered into the set.

>>1700862
Well the picture looks washed out, is that how you play your games? If you calibrate it to look ok, does it appear?

>>1700870
The second pic was taken with flash.

>>1700875
So you have to use a flash to see it?

As a long-time aperture grille display user, I can notice them up close but they don't bother me too much. If they bother you, Trinitrons are not for you.

>>1700870
The picture is washed out because my camera is shitty.
It's extremely vivid if you observe it in person, by eye. Even at a distance it's very visible, but this isn't reflected these images. The one provided above is more to show where it is, than it's opacity.

It's 100% opaque on black backgrounds, but is harder to distinguish if there's a lot of colour.

How reliable are universal remotes? I bought a crt Thomson (no idea what model) from my friend (for my parents, as their tv broke down), but it lacks a remote, and I can't really tune it in any way.

Sorry, not exactly /vr/ related question, but I saw this thread and figured I'd ask.

How are plasma screens for HD consoles? I've never used one, only LCDs (which I don't like). I've heard the colors are much better on plasmas then on LCDs.

>>1701242
I'm pretty satisfied with my plasma, a samsung ps51d550. Colors are delicious, and the blacks are so deep that some games need a bit more brightness to be playable. Only downsides are that it produces some heat and guzzles electricity.

>>1700787
I just ordered a BVM like this except in 4:3.

>watch someone new to CRTs talking about why its better
>muh scanlines
>ignores resolution
I understand scanlines can be nice but that is something subjective to the user's taste.
I hardly ever hear anyone defend CRTs by arguing that LCD doesn't adapt to different resolution whereas a CRT can.
For me that is the main reason to use a CRT. Display low res without disgusting artifacts.

Sony PVM 14L4

hey CRT experts i need your help,

so i went and got myself an old trinitron tv, a good videocard with S/Video Out & downloaded soft 15khz, i am using windows 7

now thing is i got soft15khz to give me very low resolutions , such as 256x240 or 304x240 and they look great on the CRT but for some reason it is an interlaced output, another thing is that dithering is pretty much nonexistent aside from a couple cases were it does dither correctly,btw to test this i use the dithering monster known as Zombies Eat My Neighbors

I need to know how to output non interlaced video and how to add such res to the list of resolutions that are available when using the quickres app (which is the only one that lets me change to the low res screen modes)

I've heard of a thing called Winmodelines but can't find any tutorial on how to use it together with soft15khz

>>1701330
Cute <3

I'm thinkin about picking this up. Is it worth $15 and about an hours drive?
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ele/4500573886.html

>>1701341
If you're willing to buy relatively cheap accessories in order to connect to it, it makes for a comfy and high quality gaming experience.

Does anyone have their retro setup on a cart?
I'm think about putting my consoles and PVM on a cart. All in one. Pack it into a corner. Roll it out and hook it up to power when ready to play.
If anyone does this what kind of cart do you have? Not sure what to look for.

>>1701347
I've got an 89 zenith with s-video/composite/coax. It's got a bunch of monitor loops and audio loop output, I picked it up a little bit ago for the same price. Should I just stick with what I have then? The Sony doesn't have much on my zenith from what I can tell.

>>1701332
The S-Video output is going through an encoder to give a signal the TV can actually understand and I'm pretty sure soft15khz/similar programs are only going to affect the VGA output.

>>1701341
>>1701357
I like the design of the monitor, and the tube itself(assuming it hasn't seen a ridiculous number of hours) would probably give a nice looking picture, but it only supports composite video w/ mono sound.

For $15, I'd probably pick it up just on looks alone(and leave an NES connected to it permanently) but the simple fact your Zenith has S-Video gives it the advantage.

>>1701365
This is my Zenith. It's also a bit bigger then the Sony, so that's another thing.

>>1701379
Unless you want a display piece or have a need to a second CRT, I'd stick to the Zenith

>>1701379
Goddamnit. I hate when it flips my images.

Back.

>>1701365
oh,that's a shame, so it wasn't as easy as i thought, guess i will play like this for a while until i find a way to connect a DVI out to an S video input

well at least 256x240 interlaced doesn't look as blurry and flickery as the default 800x600

>>1701382
Yeah I actually like the box to my zenith a lot more then that sony. I love the old woodgrain.
The Zenith is working out a lot nicer then the little early 2000s toshiba I had been using.

>>1700918
>How reliable are universal remotes?
Depends, some are even more reliable than stock remotes because of better buttons and stronger infrared LEDs.

Since it's a Thomson, you can get an RCA universal like >>1699884 said. It should work out of the box with no configuration unless it's an unusual model, and it should have most of the main features with a good layout (a Thomson strength).

Otherwise, you can find out the model number of your TV, search for its manual, see if it mentions the model number of the original remote (which Thomson did do in their manuals), then try to order that part number from one of the many remote control websites that exist. I have a Thomson from the early '90s and I have found the original remote online for less than $10 as brand new old stock. Luckily I still have the original but the option exists.

>>1701379
hey man I've got the same zenith

>>1701678
>>1701379
Actually scratch that. Mine's a standard System II.

I got at my disposal 3 Commodore monitors at the same price. Which one should I go for?
a) Commodore 1902A
b) Commodore 1084S-D1
c) Commodore 2002

>>1701324

I always mention motion quality and being able to display at any refresh rate without interpolating.

so whats a good recommended verticle display?

I wanna get my shmup on. I got gunbird 2 mars matrix and ikaruga and I wanna play them correctly plz.

>>1702000
A quick search and:
http://gona.mactar.hu/Commodore/monitor/Commodore_monitors_by_model_number.html

The 1902A won't take analog RGB, so any systems you plan to use will be stuck with S-Video or Composite.

The 1084 and 2002 on the other hand do, but the 1084S-D1 has stereo audio, so if you don't have external speakers, that would be a bonus.

>>1702017

PVM/BVMs/other production monitors are easy to set on their sides because of their boxy designs.

If you're a eurofag you can look at some of the later Bang & Oluf TVs, particularly the MX series, I believe, which are easy to flip on their sides as well.

Most consumer TVs just aren't really built for it, unfortunately.

>>1701242
Much better than LCD's because of the deep blacks and non blurry motion. Beware of input lag though.

>>1701332
If you're using the svideo output then you will be running everything in interlaced mode and upscaled (probably to 640x480i). You'd have to use the vga output to take advantage of those progressive 15khz resolutions. Soft 15khz is pretty much redundant these days, check out CRT Emudriver, it comes with modeline editing software that's simple to use and adjust.

>>1702047
>That site
Kya, if you were here i'd blow you so hard. Thanks man!

If the local pawn shops stopped giving money for CRT TVs, how would that affect CRT prices on the local flea markets?

>>1702458
Probably nothing. CRTs are far too niche a market among even video game players and far, far too common an item for them to ever become expensive. Heck, a lot of pawn shops and thrift stores I've been to don't even take CRTs anymore.

>>1702486
Yeah that's pretty much the situation here. Our local secondhand website is filled with free crt's to pick up, or you have to pay 20 euro's tops. No shortage of trinitrons with scart inputs here.

Here in Mexico, it is impossible to find a scart CRT, let alone a real CGA monitor, all arcade machines are pc's hacked to work with regular TV's using el cheapo transcoders

Don't even think about buying a BVM or PVM here, they go from $700 dollars and upwards for an 8" used one, i remember watching a 14" sell for like $1000 dls, apparently they are still considered top notch medical and video production equipment

Last week i went to the local "retrogame" store and they don't even know what S-Video is...

>>1702772
>all arcade machines are pc's hacked to work with regular TV's using el cheapo transcoders
Not all of them. If you find one of the the old ones they still use the original hardware but the CRT monitor is all burned out...

>Last week i went to the local "retrogame" store and they don't even know what S-Video is...
I know that feel. The game store faggots here think that if they don't know about something it doesn't exist.

>>1702772
Pos cruzate y vuelate unas teles cabron.

>>1701386
>>1701386
Since i am stuck with a s-video input trinitron and an ati HD 4670 with only DVI outs
I plan on using CRT_Emudriver and i got this cheap adapter setup on mind
It is my belief that since it doesn't do any transcoding it should receive the original resolution that CRT_Emudriver sends to the DVI out and port it to the S video so i can play on my consumer TV at 240p

Do you think this will work? otherwise i have no use for this TV, maybe 480i is good for watching old tv shows ?

>>1702809
>transcoding
to clarify, i mean manipulation of the actual resolution, i'm not even sure what transcoding actually is

>>1702809
I'm not sure that will work, that little cable won't actually convert the signal. I'm hard pressed to believe a CRT will accept a VGA signal properly through an S-Video input, but one of the more experienced people around here could tell you for sure.

>>1702809
The s-video/composite dongle is not going to do what you want. If the TV has RGB, you can use a VGA-BNC breakout to hook that up.

>>1700836
>magnet trick
The what now?

What happens if I route a 31khz signal to an exclusively 15 khz monitor? I'm afraid I might damage something.

>>1703034

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd7-PHdbCnE

PC monitors made after a certain time have protection circuits and inform the user if the frequency is out of it's range. I don't think a TV or a 15kHz monitor have that kind of stuff.

>>1703041
So I can burn the CRT with a misguided signal? I want to give soft 15khz/emudriver a shot with a vga-scart cable, but currently don't have a 31 khz available monitor to start the system out on.

>>1703058

It fry the driver board.

>>1703064
Thanks for the info! Nearly thought about giving it a shot anyway there.

>>1702881
>The s-video/composite dongle is not going to do what you want

i don't want it to do anything other than port the signal from the vga conector to the tv as is, i mean crt_emudriver should be outputting 15.7 khz already by the time i plug the cable into the tv, otherwise at least if my crt dies i can at least say it died trying to look good

>>1703064
i ve seen a lot of these jamma setups giving crt TV's 31khz signals and all they do is display the image out of sync (rolling on the screen very fast), i think only very old crt's can get damaged

>>1703096

I know that old, early VGA/pre-VGA PC monitors fry when you use the wrong frequency.

>>1702058
>tfw bought a BVM so my PVM can be dedicated to TATE

This photo sort of shows this dark spot that's on my PVM. Anyone have an idea of what it could be?