/vr/ - Retro Games

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NEWS
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-Doom 4 Trailer here. It's damn true. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C4F1h-HSXU.. Quakecon will be interesting this year, for sure.

-Metroid Dreadnought IS OUT! GO GET DEM TUUUUUUBES - http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4561&pid=61847#pid61847

-Have you ever wanted to play as a dog in Doom? Well, here's DogDoom! https://copy.com/o4kYFNMdcwoFqYO6

-Zandronum 1.2.1 is out. Still no sign of 2.0, sorry. http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4785

-Also The Space Pirate got an update! Check the latest ver. here! https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxbbtKR5bll_anFPaVhUQVZqcnM/edit?usp=sharing And be sure to check this tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrFF8LCZw5Y

-Some anons are doing a 200 min. speedmapping challenge; vanilla compat (Doom in Doom format), no custom textures and MUST be done in 200 mins and have an exit; ask in the thread f/details!

-John Romero was present at GDC and a kind anon set him up a LAN in Zandronum (yes, you read that right). These are some of the matches! http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXkipPv0b4KMKE7z3WwlYYUCDLACNoYfE

-Romero was also present at the NYU Game Center to discuss, along with Rand Miller (MYST) about their games, their legacies, and the current status of game developing. You can rewatch said event here http://vimeo.com/92838909

-The past AGDQ featured Plutonia (Go 2 It included) and a Doom 2 race. To rewatch the Doom speedruns, go follow this link http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQcxg3SUqlYBoSYrpNJVu58GsoCXMREa1

-HDoom has its fourth techdemo! happy now? http://static.best-ever.org/wads/m12-hdoom-techdemo4.pk3

-Dakka by ijon tichy. Here, play it. ijontichy.lostsig.com/wads/dakka-0.051.pk3, ijontichy.lostsig.com/pub/dakkamons_simple_v0.07.pk3

ATTENTION! If you know about something news-worthy, PLEASE reply to this post so everyone can see it

>>1683247
the leaked stuff was his semen, he needed to clean up

Reposting:

Finished my 200 minutes map.
Warning: The last part is quite hard.
Dont fall down, or you will die.
anon [DELETE ME] files. [DELETE ME] c0m/ [DELETE ME] file/8ad27d06d5a2bbabd1a121c3477b648a

I need constructive criticism

>>1683251

nice doom discussion you have there

So like I said, the level, Mt. Erberus is giving me a massive headach, I can't find out how to get to these isolated boxes in the water,

>>1683248
>Doom 4 is just called "Doom"

Whyyy

>>1683218
>and I can't jump high enough to reach them

jumping, as in, strafe/wallrunning, right?

As in jumping

>people thinking/asking for rape stuff in hdoom

Your kind is literally the reason why the "modding compatibility" was left in. And here I am hoping it never goes away.

>>1683252
Oh yeah. I was going to play this. One sec.

>>1683252
Fun map, reminds me a lot of ~1997 maps, which I kinda miss.

But it's not vanilla compatible. Can't open the flesh wall.

>>1683287
>implying you are a "better human bean" for faping only to "regular" anime hentai teen demon girls.

>>1683327

>missing the point on purpose: the post

>pledged not to fap until the next installment of Hdoom
sweet jesus mike its becoming unbearable

>[20:41] *** MartyKirra changed nick to MartyKirra|Busy

What is he up to?

Favorite retro fps?

http://strawpoll.me/1882660

>tfw killing your first mastermind
also fucking hell Thy flesh consumed is a difficulty spike

>>1683370
it's a doom thread
what do you expect

Okay I'm holding the use key but I can maintain the dicking of the impettes for more than a second, What am I doing wrong?

>>1683373
Thing about spider masterminds is, they're hard to make a fun boss fight out of. I may give it a go (maybe for another 200 minute map). I have an idea, but since it's a hitscan boss it's not usually that fun to dodge bullets as opposed to rockets/fireballs.

>>1683370
>no UT99

>>1683370
I guess you mean 2.5D, because noquake/other retro 3D fps's

>>1683410
>UT99
>not Unreal
You fucked up, son. Both are fanfuckingtastic though... put more hours into them than most games, beat only by Thief, and Doom most-likely

>>1683407
Well I was playing brutal doom, none of the weapons have hitscan

>>1683407

Assuming you played it already, your thoughts on DTWID's E3M8?

>>1683406
only press it once

>>1683416
Still, not as fun.

>>1683417
Too easy really. The spider mastermind wasn't a real threat... The problem isn't with level design though, it's the monsters design. The only way to make a spider mastermind boss fight (not just a fight where a mastermind happens to be in the mix - where it's the main threat) is to turn it into more of a puzzle. A cover to cover sort of thing maybe. I dunno. It's a disappointing boss imo. Cyberdemon was a lot more fun.

>>1683424
Okay now I see, so let's see the brewnetts are the standard zombimen, the black ones are shotgunners and the redheads are imps, correct?

>>1683370
I like sword, is personal weapon.

A couple of my all time favorite WADs are Reelism and Armaggedon Invasion 2. I was wondering what you guys would recommend for instant action WADs? There is just something about crowd control and weaving through clouds of fireballs.

Does anyone know if Doom(4) will be handled like the new Wolfenstein was, as in who will be making it?

Despite the linearity of lightgun shooters, would a recreation of an area from one as a Doom WAD be a cool idea?

>>1683490
Id is going to be making it. Carmack claims that he did his part before leaving so I hope that means it will be inspired.

>>1683368
why would you do that to yourself anon

start fapping
it won't be here soon

Except for Doom Builder, what is everybody's favorite map editor for Doom? I liked DEU back in the day.

>>1683501
has umemaro come out with anything new recently?

>>1683502
most recent was the second volume of his school vampire magic thing
nothing since

>>1683502
WADED, for DOS, is what I grew up with. ~1996 or so. If you didn't draw the normals of your room facing the right direction shit would fuck the hell up.

Was a fun program though.

>>1683496
what about Romero?

>>1683496
I just hope thy handle it similarly to Wolfenstein: The New Order, albeit with a faster pace with much more enemies to RIP AND TEAR through with tooth and nail, and bullets.

>>1683448
Yes, we all know you love katanas, Solidus.

Reggie fils-a-mech is gonna kick your ass and chew bubble gum next year

>>1683545

Wrong thread, mate.

>>1683552
i forgot to mention something
Do you guys have plans in making,for shits and giggles to make Samsara characters as Miis and use Gunner Mii in Smash?

>>1683569

OH GOD
THIS MEANS WE CAN MAKE DOOMGUY IN SMASH
OH GOD

>>1683545
Splatoon looks like a lot of fun!

>>1683589
I read 'Doomguy' and "Smash" and this is what I thought of. I'm too god damn old for this shit!

Nintendo kicked ass at E3...again. Like I saw the Doom trailer, said "neat" and moved on with MKX and Smash Bash 4. It's just kind of sad. What are you guys' thoughts on Doom 4?

>>1683612
>Smash T.V. Doom edition
You know what?
That's what DoomRL should have been

>>1683612
I would play this.
Like a lot.

>>1683614
I don't think there's much to form an opinion on Doom 4 right now.
Have to wait until Quakecon to hopefully see some actual gameplay.


It could easily go terribly wrong.

It is pretty much Reelism in a nutshell honestly, if you stop and think about it. You got the power ups, hordes of enemies, fabulous prizes like a big screen tv,

>>1683635
the main difference would probably be the room based system VS the timer based system

>>1683218
>I cleared all I can out, the only path left I can see needs a blue key which I'm guessing is in these dumb fully enclosed areas in a water oasis in the lava pools, and I can't jump high enough to reach them

1. go in green building
2. find hidden teleporter*
3. teleport
4. run over into red box**
5. teleport into y-shaped red/blue building
6. find key

for a better-written walkthrough i suggest the wiki.

http://doomwiki.org/wiki/E3M6:_Mt._Erebus_%28Doom%29

________
* apparently standard fare for 90's D&D players, who expect you to search constantly for secret doors? that's what i heard anyway, and NetHack is the same. also you could wonder why the building is so heavily guarded but doesn't appear to contain anything other than a berserk box and think "hmm maybe i should search". anyway the candles on the floor give it away in my opinion.

** if you want 100% secrets go for the chainsaw first. if you don't it will rise up out of reach and you won't get a second chance to jump for it.

Were Quake levels designed to be pistolstarted

>>1683712

Linking to what I said last thread: >>1682884

In short, my thoughts are "probably not, but I wouldn't know".

>>1683434
I think Spider Mastermind is a better fight in D1 than Cyberdemon if you pistol start them and aren't above using your mouse.

>>1683745
Harder, for sure, but not as fun imo. I was thinking about doom and game design in general earlier, and something fps's these days are missing is dodging. It's not as fun to take cover constantly. You need a good mix. Doom and Unreal are still the only games that have (and still do) made me physically shift in my seat when a missile is coming at me.

>>1683745
This
>trying to beat the last level
>cyberdemon keeps wrecking me
>not enogh ammo
>get cacos to fight him
>they die
>get the baron
>he stunlocks him and beats the fuck out of him
>I'm just watching by the side

Truly a hero of Hell.

>>1683317
>But it's not vanilla compatible. Can't open the flesh wall.
What? Really?
The one in the building or on the top?

I dont get it, it should be, its DOOM2 format.

>>1683770
I meant spider mastermind not cyberdemon*

>>1683769
Well, there's some dodging to be done when you're starting infighting. But I don't really mind game with emphasis on cover (though they really should step up and make cover destructible), so I liked that battle.
>physically shift in my seat when a missile is coming at me
Hah, I do that too.

>>1683771
the one on the 2nd floor. didn't test past that.

Have you run in it chocolate doom?

>>1683771
>>1683774
Also, pic related. fence in ground

>>1683774
>2nd floor
I assume you're american -> the room with the zombiemans / shotgunners / chaingunners.

Well, (spoiler alert) you are supposed to shoot at the flesh wall. Just look where the candle is

>>1683781
I did. In zdoom it was fine. In chocodoom, no dice.

>>1683771
>>1683774
>>1683791
there are solid things (monsters) overlapping linedefs, such that vanilla thinks they are stuck in ceilings when it tries to move the sectors. this will block a lowering floor.

i've fixed this. changes:
- move things overlapping linedefs part of sectors that try to move
-- hellknight, thing 79 in sector 75
-- cacodemons, things 88 and 105, in sectors 84 and 89
-- two demons, things 106 and 111, in sector 90
- slightly enlarge sector 84 so a cacodemon's radius can fit in it; realign textures
- make bodies hanging from ceiling of lift (sector 39) non-blocking

>>1683813
oops!
http://temp-host.com/download.php?file=uo54ub

>>1682403
>>1682408
>>1682584

For those guys in the last thread who are having problems with doomrpg and RL working: Rename the doomrl wads by removing the spaces in the name.

I was having issues getting the mods to load until I got rid of all the spaces. There must be some wierd ascii character in there that causes gzdoom to shit itself and ignore the wads.

>>1683818
>>1683813
Damn, thanks

>>1683268
Because Doom is a venerated and revered franchise of awesomeness, and Doom 3 kinda sucked (actually it wasn't bad, it just... Wasn't Doom at all and was a tremendous letdown)

I feel like MG/Bethesda is trying to resurrect and/or impersonate Doom 1/2's feel and concepts as much as they can, and distance themselves from 3, and they couldn't name it "Doom 3 except we're serious this time".

>only complaint
>please don't limit the goddamn motherfucking frames to 60 like you did in Wolfenstein, fuck's sake. Rest of that game was amazing, besides a few tiny frustration points.

(posted way too late in last thread)
>>1681737
>all skeles
check
>all doom engine
check
>all kinda cool in concept
check
>all AAAAAAAAAAAA-gitating as fuck
CHECKARINO

>testing my map in prboom
>everything has been fine up until this point, most of my testing has been done in prboom along the way
>suddenly all sorts of shit starts breaking
>things happening when they're not supposed to
>finally find the culprit:
>revenants on a platform are activating switches adjacent to the platform because reasons
>switches don't have anything to do with monsters or doors or anything that might relate to the revenants or their movement

>>1683914
AREN'T THEY AGITATING?

>>1683916
They really are

Dunno if this is normal behavior but this is the first time this has ever happened to me. I know it's those fuckers because turning them all into stumps solves the issue. Pic related.

>>1683370
>Powerslave
Oh man, I have forgotten about. It was my favourite FPS on PS1.

>>1683912
Hexen skellies weren't very agitating. They just threw axes at you. Not even homing or exploding axes, just axes.

>>1683941
Their placement was pretty agitating, but yeah, the monster itself wasn't that bad. Especially not in comparison with the centaur fucks.

>>1683493

I would play it.

>>1683916
is this a may may or something?

>>1683941
>>1683945
I actually wanted to say "Heretic".

>>1683939
The consoles version and the PC version are whole different game.

The PC version uses the Build engine (contrary to the console versions which are full 3D); and is more like your typical FPS of the time (contrary to the console versions which is more like a platformer with a power up system opening new paths)

However I like the PC version a lot more. If you ask me the console versions are overrated and the PC version underrated, everybody claims that the console versions are "metroid prime before its time" which is HIGHLY exagerated; and nobody cares about the PC version, even Build engine fans like Duke3D or Blood communities; even though imo the PC version has some of the best level design of Doom-era FPS.

You should check it out, even more so if you liked the console versions. Works fine in dosbox.

>>1683919
could you post the linedef's special number? it'll be something over 24576. i would like to know it exactly.

doombuilder doesn't seem to know how to handle boom generalised floors monster activatable flag, at least not in the dialogue box you're showing there.

>>1683813
It's a pretty cool map, though I'm not a fan of spawning monsters right next to me in a tight corridor (that first baron fisted me right up the to the wall)

>Doom 4 trailer
Looking kinda Pacific Rim there.

Might actually be good, but I'm still waiting on the gameplay trailer before I decide whether or not to give up on it.

>>1683953
24754 when it was going on.

I ended up fixing it by reworking stuff so I could have that switch use a door open action instead, and then used the no monsters option (which doombuilder let me do in that window.)

>>1683953
What settings should I play PrBoom in to make monsters not infinitely tall?

Has anyone tried this? Any chance I could get some feedback on it?
>>1682952

>>1683959
>24754 when it was going on.

yes that's what i thought. it should be 24722.

when Change is None, the Model field actually means "monsters cannot/can activate linedef" instead of Trigger/Numeric; i guess the dialogue box does not reflect this.

i would link you to a copy of boomref.txt if i could find one online...

Good God, I never thought there'd be a day where at least a teaser of the new DOOM would be shown!

This better be good id!

>>1683958
I'm presuming that was a Cyberdemon, not a common enemy.

Why is everyone so negative about it?

>>1683971
Id is all but defunct now, and D4 was passed to Machinegames a long time ago. (this is a good thing)

>>1683962
there isn't one sorry

there's comperr_hangsolid but that only applies to solid corpses hanging from the ceiling

>>1683974
oh wait that's only in prboom-plus as well

>>1683970
>i would link you to a copy of boomref.txt if i could find one online...
oh, here, this'll do.
http://doomlegacy.sourceforge.net/docs/boomref.html
section 13, generalized floors subsection, note 1 "When change is nochg, model is 1 when monsters can activate trigger otherwise monsters cannot activate it."

>>1683950
Thanks, I'll definitely check it out, especially since there aren't and good new FPS games with good level designs.

>>1683829

Thanks but doesnt work either.

Actually I noticed even without RL arsenal things seem to go wonky : I cant use summon marine even if I have enough EP, I havent tried other skills but I'm guessing that release is fucked in some way.

>>1683983
The new Wolfenstein has alright level design, well for a modern FPS that is. Of course it's nothing like in the early to mid 90's.

>>1683989
stfu dude

>>1683950

Eh, pc powerslave is nearly unplayable due to shitty strafing, you can have the best level design in the world, if the controls are bad you're basically fucked. Also no saves, also timed final level.

The psx version has the simili-metroid mechanics, good level design AND plays better than the pc version despite being stuck with a shitty controller.

>>1683995
>saving mid-level in a doomlike game

>>1683973
I think it's because we've heard that id has no idea what they want to do with Doom 4. It's been rebooted a bunch like DNF, it's multiplayer is being outsourced (which is...well, whatever), and there's not a single id founder working there anymore, so no one at the company currently had a hand in making classic Doom games at all.

I think we all want a great new Doom game, I think people are just waiting to see something tangible and playable before getting their hopes up.

>>1684014
Hopefully they'll make the game moddable so the fans can do something with it
Carmack released the D3 source but does he still have enough influence to do something like that again?

>>1683973
>Why is everyone so negative about it?
All the news about the development of Doom 4 have not painted a positive picture once.

If anything people are expecting a complete trainwreck.

>>1684020
>>1684014
Id isn't developing it, I do agree on the development hell multireboot being a bad sign, but the team that's on it has handled classic shooters well.

I dunno, I'm prepared for it to bomb, but after Wolfenstein, I'm actually rather optimistic.

>>1683971
I know, I feel like a teenager again. Fucking psyched. What does everyone hope to see in it? I am just hoping for it to be fast, with a built in map editor.

>>1684039
>map editor
>console release
You know that won't happen.

>>1684039
That, good multi, solid gunplay like Wolf... Really that and mod compatibility and I'm hyped

>>1684043
I don't expect it out of the box, but I do expect it to be allowed to be made later.

>>1684046
I think one of reasons Doom modding is popular is that it's easy to make maps comparable to vanilla, since they're not very detailed. With a current gen game that would be much harder.

>>1684067
I expect it to be exponentially harder, unless they make some total handholding shit that lets you puzzlepiece prefab stuff together.

Still, I don't care, lotta talented people in the community, make a hit game, name it Doom, give us the tools, we'll run with it.

>I say we
>I can barely make functional Doom mods and levels
>nevermind some new shit

Again, I'm not asking for it to be handed to us, I'm asking for the possibility to be left as open as they can get it, that's all.

>>1684078
Prefab level builder could be alright, if it was done right.

>>1684086
Wait, doesn't that thing use MEGATEXTURES anyway? Because I heard they're hard to mod.

>>1682969
>>1682952
i'm afraid this is the only way i could beat Carousel. i found an exploit; it's possible to get onto the firing platforms without crossing the linedefs that raise the barriers. hopefully this webm makes it obvious what i'm doing.

i am sorry to say the intended way i found fraught with excessive frustration.

i seem to lack the dexterity to execute the quick stop-turn-aim-fire movement required to get a rocket into the target. i can do it maybe once or twice in 10 goes if lucky. it requires both high accuracy and superfast execution to get a rocket past the barrier before it rises too far.

however, at this point, one could just retort, "you're not good enough, keep practising" and i'd have to accept it and keep trying.

on the other hand: well, obviously an unlucky spawn on the outer ledge will ruin your day, but worse, monsters spawn on the ledge down below in front of the target. this means, eventually, it is _impossible_ for shots to be aimed correctly, as even if your angle and firing position is perfect, autoaim ruins the shot. (it seems you need to stand very close to the edge of the platform to get a rocket across before the barrier blocks it.)

this is all exasperated by there being not one but four spawners in a relatively small arena; the space fills up very rapidly, and by my estimation you cannot afford to miss a single shot (the target appears to need three hits). by your fourth or fifth shot the arena is simply too full to continue.

i don't know if you tested mostly with autoaim turned off (in an engine that allows that) and a crosshair (although, i hacked a crosshair into my engine. it didn't help much, if at all) or maybe this map is just beyond my ability.

otherwise it's a good map and quite a clever spin on the old icon of sin cliche. i don't expect you to change anything to make it easier, but i wished to share my experience nonetheless.

>>1683995
The controls are fine, it just gets a little used to. You don't even NEED to srafe and move backward/forward at the same time.
You can't strafe like in more modern FPS in Wolfenstein 3D either, that doesn't make the game bad.

The console version is more a paltformer than a FPS; and who all know how first person platformers turn out most of the time.

>>1684137
How do I into webm quality?
Anyways, git gud. Second attempt and I succeded.
The map is quite easy, should be more difficult.

The Doom 3 trailer also had the original sounds, don't get too hyped up.

I just wanna give a friendly reminder /vr/, stay as neutral as possible when it comes to doom 4. Over hype this game and we got another duke nukem forever.

>>1683958
>looking kinda pacific rim there
One of the lead concept artists on Doom 4 was the lead concept artist on Pacific Rim, so it's not a coincidence

>>1684163
wow.
well, all right.

>>1683772
>>1683770
so which monsters do the others hate most unanimously?

>>1684170
I have been trying yo replay Doom 3... movement is so damned slow I couldn't get to the mass spectromete... heh... couldn't get past the tutorial.

>>1684163
>>1684219 (me)

thanks for the encouragement. :)
somehow it's easier having watched someone else do it.

as for your other question, increase the bitrate. max file size is 3MB, that is 24 megabits. divide that by the length of the video in seconds to get a bitrate. for a 2 minute video it's 200kbit, 1min is 400, 30seconds is 800 etc.

and yes, this webm really needs sound, you can't tell which rockets were hits and which weren't...

>>1684170
Which trailer? Just saw the E3 trailer of DooM 3 and didn't hear any original sound.

Is it possible for any PC to run nuts.wad at 60 fps?

so I'm watching an LP of Dante's Inferno for inspiration for making doom maps, I gotta say Dante/Death have good taste in scythe designs, the set peaces are great, wondering if I can remake them in doom?

>>1684269
Just use PrBoom. It's AI is a lot more CPU efficient.

>>1683502
Also WADED. It was pretty easy to use albeit fragile, and also the thing that Tricks of the Doom Gurus book used for the map tutorials. I also didn't really like how other editors of the day handled.

Doom Builder of course blows them all out of the water.

>>1684269
>>1684278
Yup, this.
And by Prboom we mean Prboom+

Is there a megawad with a boss at the end of each level?
With health bar, boss theme etc.

>>1683493
A Doom lightgun shooter would have sold well back in the '90s arcades, lol.

>>1683493

What have you got in mind ? Sounds fun to me. I'd love to replay Virtua Cop with more freedom to be honest.

Some pinky-grill action (will probably have a little bit of tweaking before release):
http://i.imgur.com/FZKRRr0.gif

I should have the very last frames for Pinky-girl (stun/falling over + attack) finished tomorrow.

>>1684401
>not irrumatio

>>1684401
That body needs a lot more motion, otherwise it looks like the tits are just moving off their own will.

>>1684401
put in some arm/leg movement for the pinky girl and its gr8

>>1684413
>>1684412
yeah, basically just got the 'core' stuff down. I wanna hopefully add a bit of arm/legs/back motion to make the titty movement more sensical.

Boxing with revenants is awesome when you both miss your punches.
Map: arcadia.wad

>>1684423
They usually try to shoot me after I hit them in melee.

>>1684401
>http://i.imgur.com/FZKRRr0.gif
that reminds me, to whoever is uploading hdoom stuff to http://rule34.paheal.net/post/list/DOOM/1 , you forgot https://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1576807/#1578614

>>1684401
I don't know. I still think with the way she's designed and how her legs work that it would be better if her arms were being grabbed and pulled directly behind her.

>>1684420
so you said that next up was looking to be Barons or Cacodemons? also Loving the added diversity to the imps

>>1684423
is that the one made by the bioshock guy?

>>1683818
webm of this, in 2:49, 1/3

>>1684475

>>1684479
the maps name may be HQ, but the video certainly isn't, dohohoho

>>1684475
>>1684479
>>1684482
Did you like it?

have a screenshot

>>1684475
hey anon did you do mark's entry?

cybie looks mad

>>1683991
?

>>1684484
What WAD?

>>1684483
>Did you like it?
i did, yeah

taking a real or at least believable human-built place and hellcorrupting it E2-style is always good, a nice mix of the real and unreal (the lightswitch was a nice touch of the former)

the red key fight was fun, the end section (which i somehow feel is on the roof of the building, even though it's not) was good too. when you said "this is hard, don't fall off" i thought "uh oh, ledgerunning" but it's fine.

start was a bit tedious going up and down the slow lift, but that's vanilla floors for you

>>1684485
i've played and beaten it but have yet to try recording it. my initial run, while successful, took over 23 minutes, and later attempts to play more aggressively did not end well.

>>1683818
Number of the map?

>>1684491
Hopefully he's "demoted" from being the final boss to just being a high-level enemy again.

Cyberdemon boss in Doom 3 just felt like shallow pandering.

>>1684163

dear mother of gamma

>>1684137
Hm. I should fix that exploit... Heheh.
I beat it in chocolate doom on my 3rd or 4th try (after a large amount of monsters had spawned), so I know it's possible.

Sorry you found it frustrating. If anyone else is interested in making a map30 we can pick the best of - naturally.
>>1684219
>>1684253
Looks like he might be playing on easy. Less spawners on easy.

>>1684526
Really my problem with the Cyberdemon in Doom 3 was that you didn't fight him.
The real boss was the little guys and you just throw the soul cube at the big guy.

>>1683370

Not voting because lack of Doom 64.

>>1684520
MAP28

>>1684539
>playing on easy
Sorry mate, I only play UV and UV + fast monsters (if the maps too easy)

>>1683416
Not everybody likes to play Brutal Doom.

>>1684558
Fair enough. Just didn't seem like you hit many monsters. Normally I have to dodge an arachnitron or 2 by that point.

>>1683745
>aren't above using your mouse.
Why do people keep insisting that using KB+M is some sort of unholy act? It's been used since Doom was in development. Hell, Wolf3d had mouse support.

>>1684608
It's even recommended in the manual ffs.
Maybe he was talking about freelook?

>>1683496
id's making it, but none of the original developers are part of id. It's id Software in name only. Carmack was the last remaining member, and he left to work on the Oculus Rift.

>>1684608
lol is he using the directional keys? i used to play like that

>>1684624

I think Doom came bounded with them as default; hell I just downloaded ChocoDoom to test my 200min entry and they were the default movement keys

>>1684608
That was my post and I was joking about how open space and strafing trivialize Cyberdemon fight, not seriously stating that using mouse is a dishonorable act.

>>1684608
what map is that

new 200 minutes test build (at last...)

- new maps: dead cargo (17), carousel (30), demon hq (21)
- Brutto gained a secret exit and moved to map31, switched with Sneek
- fixes to 2.wad (2), 200.wad (10), Sneek (32), Blood River (now 23)
- fancy titlepic from some talented anon, derived interpic
- anything else i changed and forgot about

http://temp-host.com/download.php?file=pb51mz

slots aren't final unless they depend on special effects (e.g. map07 won't work in any other slot, etcetc)

anyway i'm going to bed, test away and have fun

>Dat new Cyberdemon
HOLY SHIT IT LOOKS AWESOME

>>1684659
I hope they really keep that good mix of flesh, machine, and fucked up demon flesh (which IS different from flesh. The demon flesh is stuff like the cyber demon's stomach, which is something like exposed muscle/wires).

But none of that matters if we don't get that classic Doom gameplay and maps. The new Doom needs to have a good movement speed and more open maps than Doom 3 did, as well as more responsive enemies. Part of what made Doom 3 so iffy was how easy most enemies were to defeat. They were really one trick ponies.

>>1684484
Looks like Fallout 3/NV: doom edition.

>>1684669
>Part of what made Doom 3 so iffy was how easy most enemies were to defeat.
That's 100% true for original Doom as well. Original Doom has better amounts and placement, though, which makes it more fun. Then again, I'm not sure your average PC would handle a "proper" amount of Doom 3 monsters very well.

>>1684628
>>1684624
I played WASD and directional keys.
WASD to move (A and D for strafing left and right), the directional keys to open doors, shoot and turn left and right. I thought that it was a nice way to play honestly.
But yea, WASD + mouse is the perfect combination for every FPS in my opinion.

>>1684683
I am trying to beat Lost Mission, never played it for some reason... goddamn it, the game is so slow and easy after playing Brutal Doom non-stop for a week.

>>1684669
>Part of what made Doom 3 so iffy was how easy most enemies were to defeat. They were really one trick ponies.
I disagree. Hitscanners were really bad, chaingunners moved, you couldn't dodge revenant's rockets so easily (though you could shoot them down), etc.
>>1684683
As this anon says, original Doom/Doom 2 enemies were much easier to take down.

>>1684658
Very nice.

>>1684615
that's not fully true. Kevin Cloud is this at id and was one of the developers on the original and the rest of Doom series

he just doesn't act as a spokeperson for id.

>>1684658
>>1684708
Oh, but the music is gone from the first level (maybe other levels too, haven't checked). Maybe because slots aren't final, music is on hold? I dunno.

Anyone got the Brutal Doom webm of the Revenant infighting with an enemy, killing him and throwing him at you?

>>1684713

no, but i have this one for the time being; sorry

>>1684475
Mmmmmm slimey tech base. Cool shit.

>>1684491
Needs more teal lights.

>>1684684
Muh nigga.
I remember doing that shit in Doom98.
Up arrow key to shoot, down to open doors.

So I just got off of some cheap RDR clone on my ASUS transformer, and now I want some Wild West action. Anyone know of some WADs that are like that?

Lemme start off by saying sorry to the folks I owe maps/mods to, since this ate up my last 4 days worth of Doom time.

This began as a 200 minute map about two weeks ago, then dropped it when I realized I was hopeless over as far as visplanes go. Then picked it back up and continued it as a Boom map. This is the first singleplayer map I've done in a less advanced format than Hexen in ZDoom.

Map is Boom compatible, tested in PrBoom and ZDoom, There are minor crusher and display bug in Zandronum, so don't use that. Difficulty levels are used, so if UV is too much consider playing in HMP or lower.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxbbtKR5bll_Y1VfVUtsN3AzZjA/edit?usp=sharing

>>1684838
Apology accepted, whoever you are.

So ManlyMagicDoomGuy, you planning on releasing a new version?

What's the best and/or most commonly used map format? Also, how can I set each of my maps to end with their own individual intermission background images & music?

>>1684658
I'll do MAP29 tomorrow.
It'll be D-Day in hell. Running the through an ocean of blood, invading hells beach and killing the almighty Cyberdemon and Spidermastermind at the end.

>>1684886
Newer WADs use mostly ZDoom (Doom in Hexen) format, because it allows you to execute scripts.
If you dont need scripts, use ZDoom (Doom in Doom format)
Use it.

(Old WADs use Doom2 format.)

>>1684876
goddamn i want this gif without the texture filtering
it's lovely

>>1684903
>Not UDMF

>>1684917
Are you fucking retarded?
Do you know how much space UDMF wastes?
Its just a plain ASCII file, and its retarded as fuck.

>>1684919
Hexen format has no features

>>1684924
Why would I want to use a map format that is bloated as fuck?
Who the hell uses the features anyways?
Only Tormentor667?

>>1684886
Don't listen to
>>1684903

The only formats you should be using are Vanilla Doom format (or the various "Vanilla ______" formats like vanilla hexen), Boom, or UDMF.

Vanilla Doom is the least advanced, but has the most wide support of all. Boom is more advanced, and still has wide support on various sourceports like the ZDoom family, Eternity and PrBoom. UDMF is the most advanced, but can only be played in G/ZDoom and Zandronum.

IIRC Eternity and Legacy each have their equivalent UDMF format, in that it's most advanced for the port but is only playable in that port. Don't take my word for it though since I don't know either port that well.

All the other various "______ in ZDoom" formats are less advanced than UDMF but still can only be played in G/ZDoom or Zandronum so they're pretty much obsolete at this point. It's also piss easy to convert any map to a UDMF map.

Hello newcomer to Doom WADs and playing here, someone mind explaining to me if I should Torrent or Buy DOOM to play the said WADs and hdoom. I'm not sure how most of this works right now and would appreciate some help

>>1684924
>no features

Actually, it has a significant amount of features.
UDMF has more.
The short of the matter is that Doom format is baseline, Hexen format is somewhat more robust, UDMF is bloated as fuck but the most powerful.

>>1684931
Hey everyone. This guy. Don't listen to this guy.

Doom in Hexen format and UDMF provides you with a huge array of new features such as slopes, scripts, translucent lines, and much more. Stop making boom-compatible maps. We already have thousands and thousands of them. We don't need more of the same. We need new and innovative map design.

>>1684934

There's a link in the FAQ to the DOOM IWADs. Check the first post.

>>1684903
>>1684917
>>1684919
>>1684924
>>1684929
>>1684931
Thank you all for your recommendations. Now how can I set a different background image and music for every intermission screen of my WAD?

>>1684929
>Only Tormentor667?

No, and I think you know it. Pic *sort of* related, Threshold of Pain II

>>1684934

Spend 2 bucks on buying 'em, but none of them will go to the original devs, anyway. Your choice at the end of the day

"Ew. No one wants Doom. WHERE THE FUCK IS FALLOUT 4?"

Why are Fallout fans so cancerous?

>>1684934

Hi, welcome to the crew.
>buy Doom
If you wanna feel really good about yourself by supporting a company, sure. Just keep in mind that absolutely none of the people who worked on it will get the cash--the old crew is no longer in id anymore.

I suggest pirating them. Links are in the FAQ in the OP.

>>1684941
>>>/v/

>>1684934
Go to the FAQ in the first post. It'll explain things for you.

>>1684919
>>1684929
>Why would I want to use a map format that is bloated as fuck?
>Do you know how much space UDMF wastes?

You're supposed to put it in a pk3/pk7.

>Who the hell uses the features anyways?
>Only Tormentor667?

I want to have a floor lit differently than the rest of the sector.

>in Hexen in ZDoom format:

Create a dummy sector, set lighting in that sector, then set a linedef and have it transfer lighting to sector, then tag the line and the sector with the same tag. If you have two sectors that you want the same floor light on but have other differences (say you want a monster to teleport into one sector but not the other) then you have to repeat this process for the other sector and use a different tag.

>in UDMF:

Right click sector, set floor light level. No tagging needed.

And so forth for other tasks.Most of the stuff that Hexen in ZDoom format had to use hacky workarounds for UDMF supports natively.

>>1684945
>>1684938
>>1684940
Thanks guys!
>>1684941
Because their game gives them a false-sense they're playing a RPG
When the Elements don't do much besides INCREASED DAMUGE
To make them think they're playing something more than a everyday FPS.

>>1684936

I would largely agree, but your map will still be more widely played if it's Boom rather than one of the ZDoom formats since there are more ports that support Boom, and there's a significant number of old farts that won't touch ZDoom maps.

This isn't the same for the other ZDoom formats, since they're also restricted to the ZDoom family or ports just like UDMF but they have less features.

>>1684950
>create large UDMF map
>6MB of text
>4MB compressed
>one single fucking map

>>1684961
I can usually get 2x compression on UDMF maps, not sure what settings you're using to zip it.

Even large UDMF maps are still a drop in the bucket compared to the size of textures, sprites, graphics and sounds/music.

Enjoy spending months longer to do the same thing as UDMF and having less options while doing so. Remember that you can always convert your Hexen in ZDoom map to UDMF at any time with a simple converter like wad2udmf.

>>1684953
Question do I need to get Zdoom to play with everyone or what?

>>1684972
>>1684961
>>1684950
>>1684936
>>1684931
>>1684929
>>1684924
>>1684919
>>1684917
>>1684903
>getting this fucking autistic

as long as the map fucking plays well, loads well, and works well, who gives a shit what was used to make it

>>1684973

ZDoom's multiplayer is terrible. If you want to play with everyone, get Zandronum and hop on the IRC.

>>1684976
Ohhh then I take it I should torrent Doom are we all playing though?
Also sorry I'm being retarded I'm not getting through with the FAQ to well.

test

>>1684980

FUCKING FIREFOX YOU PIECE OF SHIT, ALSO FUCK YOU TOO CAPTCHA

anyway

>>1684939
>how can I set a different background image and music for every intermission screen of my WAD?
>for every intermission screen

Just one way and it's via ZDoom

http://zdoom.org/wiki/MAPINFO

>>1684979
>download IWADs (doom.wad, doom2.wad etc.)
>download Zandronum
>set path to IWADs
>start Zandronum in Singleplayer
>configure settings (resolution etc.)
>download doomseeker / IDE
>join server

>>1684979
>are we all playing though?
Not at the moment, we just got done playing Samsara+Stronghold. Dunno what we're doing next.

>>1684984
Thanks guys.
Probably the friendliest and most helpful board I've been on.

>>1684997

Oh, don't worry. We have our own band of shitposters.
Still, enjoy your stay and enjoy Doom.

>>1685001
Really? How do I filter their posts?

>>1684982
Thanks.

>>1685006
You really can't. Just don't take the bait, report them and hope for the best.

>>1685001
>>1684997
Last question how do I join /vr/'s server?

>>1685017

>>1685032
There are some things missing and I'm using the x86 on 7

>>1684838
I played through it. Aesthetically, it looks all right, with only a few nitpicks. I played on HMP, even though I usually play on UV, and I still found the map's difficulty to be brutal, especially at the end.

High point of the map is definitely the room with the super shotgun -- I thought that was pretty well done, even if the ceiling trapped me at one point and I couldn't move or do anything. There was enough room to move around and kill the baddies, and having the super shotgun definitely helped. It looked nice, too, and was a fitting room to start throwing the more demonic enemies out. If I were to scrap the rest of the map, I would keep this room.


Low point was either the final room or the blue key room. I spent far too long in thee blue key room killing those revenants and was thoroughly fed up with them after the first group, and I sure as hell was fed up when I realized I had to do it three more times. Symmetry is nice, aesthetically, but predictable gameplay-wise. I would have liked at least one of those switches to do something other than raise platforms and summon six revenants. I didn't like that I had to keep making potshots with my chaingun or shotgun while avoiding those fucking seeker missiles, worrying all the while about whether or not I'd fall into the nukage. I think it might have been better with better weapons; at that point I only had the chainsaw, shotgun, and chaingun, none of which can quickly dispatch a revenant, let alone six at a time. I spent the majority of my hour or so playing in this room, and by that time, my patience had worn pretty thin.
Continued in next post

>>1685056

By the time I got to the last room, I spent about five minutes dying on it before I threw on degreelessness, and I still found myself utterly swamped in imps. I did not realize that I had picked up a rocket launcher at some point, but that's probably my fault for turning off auto-switch. That said, it was far too cramped to move around, and I felt very underequipped. I think I would have liked to see the rocket launcher before the blue key room, and picked up a plasma rifle in the final room, instead, or maybe had a better vantage point with cover to safely shoot the imps. I felt like I was playing 3d Touhou or some other shmup. The maze thing only added to the frustration; Trying to go through it and ignore the imps was not possible because of those barons and hell knights -- they kept ripping me to pieces.

Overall, I'd give it a 7/10. It's not a bad map, just difficult, and I imagine it'd be a lot funner with a co-op buddy.

>>1684197
Oh. That's actually pretty neat.

>>1685056
I really didn't like the revenant room to the point I stopped playing at it. You can easily duck out of cover, shoot, wait for missiles ot hit cover, but that's not very fun, and the amount of revenants you need to kill that way is just too much.

I thought the room looked good though.

What was the last disappointing wad you anons played through?
Last one I played was Cold as Hell, and I still am in the process of doing so. It's fun, and pretty damn interesting, I suppose. But honestly, it doesn't really scare me all that much.

>>1685056
>>1685059

Thanks for playing!

What part of the ssg room did you end up getting stuck on? I meant for it to kill you if you're standing on something that moves up but I musta missed something.

I originally had revs and knights on the platforms that move up, but they kept infighting so I switched it just revs. I'll figure out something else to do there that is more varied and possibly toned down.

I think I will probably end up following your advice on the rocketlauncher and plasma, and just limit the rockets you get before the final room.

>>1685065

Sorry the revs in that room ended up being boring. I'll think of a better way for that room to be handled.

>>1685056
>Aesthetically, it looks all right, with only a few nitpicks

What were the nitpicks?

>>1683248
How2run .pk3's Hdoom is my first.

>>1685086
Drop the pk3 or wad onto Zandronum. Like literally click and drag that shit you pervert.

>>1685070
>What part of the ssg room did you end up getting stuck on?
I stayed on the platform, and the floor rose? or the ceiling lowered, but it did not kill me and I ended up loading an earlier save.

>Sorry the revs in that room ended up being boring. I'll think of a better way for that room to be handled.
Even a SSG beforehand would have helped. You're using scripts, right? Maybe you could script it so that instead of revenants every time, the enemies get progressively more powerful, like starting with chaingunners and working your way up to revenants. The biggest problem with revenants are their stupid seeker missiles, and the fact that they are tough. Fewer revenants, or a SSG should help.

>What were the nitpicks?
The rooms are too symmetrical, for one. You could give them a little more detail, like usings slightly different textures on the sidedefs -- damaged textures, say. You can keep a symmetrical layout and decorate the room's walls, lights, and objects asymmetrically, to help break up the monotony. In puzzles, after you've established a pattern, you can mix things up. Maybe the first two switches open up a door, but the third one opens up a monster closet behind you! Things like that.
The blue key room's black ledge looks nice, but I think a slight increase in elevation, of perhaps 4 units or so, is a simple change (they're already different sectors) to give the floor a lip. Minor, like I said.

>>1685086
Click the .pk3, drag it and drop it onto your source port of choice.

If you want to load it with a levelset, hold ctrl and click another file as well, drag both.

Is there a shadow warrior source port?

How exactly do I get Manly Magic Doom to run? Downloading it from the page just gives me sprites, text files, and all that other stuff. No .pk3 or .wad in sight.

>>1685109
i don't know that mod
but if the page is github or something like that don't hit the download zip button, check for the releases page

>>1685114
I was checking the archive for the link, but it seems that it's been removed.
If it means anything, the guy posted it on a google page.

>>1685132

>>1685136

>>1685146

Nice.

Got any more?

>>1684039
Considering the state of console-oriented AAA gaming, the best I think we could realistically expect is Brutal Doom HD. However, in a perfect world, I'd like Doom 4 to be like this:

>Gameplay
Basically the parts that made classic Doom good, mixed with modern technological capabilities such as freelook, crouching, jumping, etc. Make the new weapons less gimmicky than the new ones in Doom 3 (save the machine gun/assault rifle, which makes a good replacement for the pistol), and more situationally appropriate, like flamethrowers and grenade launchers.
>Campaign Mode: Hell Unleashed
Basically a more coherent version of Doom 2's story, with the demons coming to Earth and Doomguy rescuing the survivors and eventually destroying Hell. Gameplay is still fast-paced, but levels are larger and less labyrinthine.
>Classic Mode
Essentially, a level-based game more akin to a wad, closer to the classic Doom philosophies. Can be loaded with custom campaigns/wads made with level and gameplay editing software through an internal download manager/browser.
>Multiplayer
The usual; LMS, KotH, DM, CTF, Co-op, and Survival with server-side mod support. User-created content is handled similarly to classic mode.

>campaigns

why does that even makes me shiver in disgust? why is it happening?

>>1685067
I never viewed it as a horror mod, just a survival one.

Last disappointing one I played was D2TWID.
Just didn't like the levels.

>>1685152
>The parts that made classic Doom good.
I've never, ever seen a consensus about what made classic Doom good. However, there are a lot of opinions about what Doom did right, and what Doom did wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5E4DYNnn_s

Doom and Duke3D MIDIs being played on... well, some kind of fancy equipment that makes them sound really good.

>>1685104
Yes

>>1685104
The original SW comes with its own source port on Steam.

>>1684526
>>1684548
and it's a shame because his design was excellent

Mod wishlists?
updates to existing or whole new ideas

>>1685217
New enemies/levels for Metrood.
Update to Reelism.

>>1685217
H-Duke with monstergirl enemies I can see it now

>an army of babe-ified aliens? so that's why they took our babes, bastards know my one weakness, I cant bring myself to hurt a sexy lady, but they've forgotten one thing, I'm the weakness of every chick there is. So I cant hurt them, who says I have to?

>>1685217
Berserk mod.
Just being done.

Project MSX.
Wishing for the next update soon.
And a LMG

Space Pirate
Redhead Mel.
More finished weapons.

>>1685251
>Enforcer girl
>H scene starts
>"Shit happens."

So there's this old-ass WAD which had only like 3, maybe 4 maps.

Let's say I create a map (in the same format, of course) INSIDE the wad, while obviously using the original resources contained inside that wad (plus some custom ones I may add if it's necessary)

THEN, after getting the map done, I extract that map from the modified WAD, and put it INSIDE another clean WAD (with all the stuff that may have been included) and then I release said map -for free, duh- as a standalone, while telling everyone that it explicitly NEEDS the old map to work.

Would the community in general be okay with that?

>And what WAD is it?

Not giving away spoilers; but you can have a small clue: the genre was just mentioned in this thread a few hours ago

>>1685256

>>1685109

Load the .zip itself, don't try to extract it.

>>1685265
Ah. That makes sense.
Thanks, anon.

>>1685217
for term to add gina to Samsara already

>>1685260

...That seems incredibly complicated and roundabout.

>>1685217
doomgirl for Hdoom
with girl on girl

>>1685275

And why should it be? The hardest thing would be just to detect which textures were used for said map, and there's already a user-made program that dumps a list

Do you suggest any alternatives?

>>1685273
considering the sheer amount of bullshit the addons have given him i wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't want to touch samsara again

I just realized

Carmack probably won't be at Quakecon this year.

What reason is there to even go, then? Its not a proper Quakecon without Carmack.

>>1685302
Doom 4?

>>1685302
doom 4, and even then

>>1685256
>>1685251
>pig cop
Make'in Bacon
Hmm... I wonder how many of these cops used to be guys? Ahh well no need, live in the present

>>1685304
>>1685305
>Carmack not introducing Doom 4

Its just so hollow. We're going to have some guy none of us recognize up there talking about it.

Whatever, I guess its okay as long as it really blasts our balls off. I'm just going to miss Carmack's 2 hour long speeches about technology and all that fun stuff. He never held back and they were always so informative.

>>1685310
>any H-scene ends
Cleanup on aisle Duke.

>>1685217
GOOD Doom 3 like sprites, in a mod like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JQ9q8_QTxU but with the old run speed to capture both the frantic pace and the atmospheric horror, add in brutal doom compatibility

>>1684036
>but after Wolfenstein, I'm actually rather optimistic.

Don't want to start a huge shitstorm but what did this game honestly do so different that isn't already in a ton of other modern shooters? So it has some old time FPS quirks in it. Big deal is what I say. From what I seen it still heavily leans towards modern shooter then it does to older school shooter.

I would love to be surprised by the new Doom but I just am almost too sure it's going to fail or not really do anything great.

>>1685336
I personally think it was well done because it seamlessly merged those "old time FPS quirks" into a modern shooter setting.

Doom 4 has three outcomes. It can: be completely modernized and share little to no mechanics with any of the Doom games, have a combination of the two styles, or be completely styled like a 90s shooter.

Doom 4 can either be DNF, which was terrible, Wolfenstien: TNO, which was good, or ROTT2013, which is (unfortunately) unlikely because of the bean counters at Bethesda that won't allow Doom to be a "niche" game.

>>1685331
I really wish people would stop giving that worthless mod and it's asshole maker so much attention

>>1685352
>which is (unfortunately) unlikely because of the bean counters at Bethesda that won't allow Doom to be a "niche" game.

This is very unfortunate. The issue I have is that I feel no matter what they try to do with it that Doom is just not going to sell huge in this day and age with shooters being in absolute abundance everywhere. So I almost feel they might as well go cheap budget with it as scary as that may sound. Hate to say it but imo nothing they do with it is going to ever sit right with a lot of people who might be interested with the game. The best thing they can do to be different from the sea of other shooters is almost completely replicate old style doom but with modern 3d graphics of course. ADS, sprint, reload, levels being a mix of open and tight corridors, remove the key mechanic. To make up for the key mechanic they can make the levels far bigger and add something different. Like blasting a door with a rocket launcher enough times to get in.

Hope no one blasts me for this but something along the lines of Halo 1's bigger levels is what I am thinking. Like Silent Cartographer and that second stage that allows for some freedom. Of course Doom guy would have to at least run reasonably fast unless the make the levels more dense although big.

>>1685353
R & I

>>1685364
Halo's levels aren't bad, MC is just too slow

>>1685365
what?

>>1685367
>Halo's levels aren't bad, MC is just too slow

No doubt, it's why I even mentioned it. Actually these days Halo 1's levels are gigantic compared to most of the linear levels I have seen in too many shooters these days.

>>1685370
Alert the higher-ups and pay no attention to it

>>1685372

Halo 1 wasn't actually that bad, it was a decent continuation of the perfected PC formula--dumbed down for consoles, but it was still a good take on the formula.
But then Microsoft insisted on a sequel, and Bungie never wanted a sequel. And then came out Halo 2, which even Bungie hated.
And then Microsoft wanted another sequel.
And then Bungie bailed.

>>1685056
>>1685059
>>1685065
>>1685095

Adjusted the blue key room and when you get weapons, fixed issue with crusher (zdoom doesn't do certain prboom crushing stuff the same was the issue), made it so monsters don't get knocked off ledges and made it so you can see the bars in the yellow key room lowering. I'll prolly go back later in the next couple of days and add some more detail touch ups.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxbbtKR5bll_TFdWYTl6cC1yQ2M/edit?usp=sharing

Lemme know what you think.

>You're using scripts, right?

Heh, kinda. Scripts in Boom are a voodoo doll on a conveyor belt running over linedefs.

>>1685364
>The issue I have is that I feel no matter what they try to do with it that Doom is just not going to sell huge in this day and age with shooters being in absolute abundance everywhere.
specially spess mareen ones

>>1685379
>and Bungie never wanted a sequel.

Wait what? I am pretty sure they did want to make Halo until Halo 3 which was intended to be the end. Which it should have been since Halo 1-3 are all good to me.

Oh well this is a Doom thread any ways. It sucks that we have to even worry the direction Doom 4 is going to go when it should be rather obvious how it should be made for the most part.

>>1685379
No, Bungie did want Halo 2, and Halo 3, not because they were told to. It was around Halo Reach that they were getting strained by it, and then passed the buck off to 343i.

Halo 2 and 3 had some very fucking good levels.

Also, unrelated, but fucking godammit, Captcha is in the shitter.

>>1685383
>>1685387

"We didn't plan Halo as a trilogy. [...] Looking back on it as a player, that’s all you see. For us looking back, all we really see is…the wreckage. The places where it didn’t succeed.”

>>1684526
I like more of a "Mini-boss" approach.

When you first discover a new enemy, it becomes a mini boss in a relative sense.

Like mid way or less through the game you encounter cybie in an arena, hyping him to be a boss. But later on you meet him as a regualr enemy and the relativity of the situation reveals he was only a mini boss.

You can do the same thing with any enemy, baron of hells, arch-viles etc.

It happenend in the original doom, even meeting the first arch-vile of doom 2 was a pretty hype situation, or at least the trap had good affect. but after whatever kind of grandoise boss-like introduction (barons in e1m8) they become a mundane enemy later.

That is my philosophy anyway.

>>1685390
I don't think that necessarily means they HATED the games, it just sounds like they felt they could have done better, which, honestly, is the mentality of most artists/creators/whatever.

>>1684712
the music in map01 was an error. it was submitted with a different map. my build script changes the map slot but didn't touch the name of the music lump.

i'll need volunteers to do music selection. hardly any maps were posted with music, and as i never play the game with it, i have no knowledge of available midis. the best thing would be if someone could post a bunch of midis along with a list of which maps they're supposed to go with, so i can just drop them into the build system. thanks in advance?

>>1685392
This is a great idea, it helps that I love enemies getting little cutscense to introduce them all

>>1684934
pirate the original v1.9 iwads. if you buy. you'll get the BFG edition iwads, which are an insult to the community. they don't fix any existing bugs, and introduce many new ones of their own, workarounds for which source port maintainers have had to scramble to hack.

>>1685161
i didn't even get that far, i had to go for the barf bucket at "console-oriented AAA gaming"

>>1685260
it's been done, someone made a map for Ni'mrod this way as i recall.

>>1685478

I would propose a certain date as land-marking in terms of people talking about wads/mods in a certain way, but that may get some people uneasy, so let's leave it like that.

The fact of the matter is that it wasn't truly a common word around the community.

>>1685484

In the same way I described? So that means I'm getting pretty much a greenlight, I guess?

>>1685463

Actually, the Steam standalone versions are still the originals going by my testing.

It's only the IWADs you get in the BFG Edition that are, well, the BFG Edition versions.

>>1684974
>making maps is autistic

Uh, I don't know, maybe the people making the maps, and the people playing them?

Fucking stupid.

>>1685067
/g/.wad

I stopped playing it after about 30 minutes so I don't know if it changed, but so far it was literally just some faggot whining about archlinux in .wad format.

>>1685317
He's probably too busy building rockets and shit. Though I really wish he could just do a quick presentation that shows off some of the tech like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj3dPyk7hPI&feature=kp

>>1685489
>In the same way I described? So that means I'm getting pretty much a greenlight, I guess?

the story is: nimrod: hell on exdeus[1] was made and depends on nimrod: project doom[2] to run. the former is just a map and mapinfo/animdefs, and relies on graphics from the latter.

[1] http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=14641
[2] http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=14015

kristus' response in the corresponding /newstuff thread[3] was
>I don't have anything against people making maps using my projects. As long as they are doing what Homer did here. When they take the resources out of my wads and put them into their own however, that's where I get a problem with it.

[3] http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/639859

>>1685353
Jelly much?

>>1685497
ah, well, fair enough. but i stand by my original point. don't buy the bfg edition iwads. if you do, don't use them. download the originals instead.

>>1685501
99% of people on /vr/ don't map
as far as the board is concerned, yes it is an autistic waste of time.

>>1684931
>>1684950
none of that affects me as end user, the only thing I care about is how the map runs and plays and filesize. udmf is terrible at filesize, and therefore is not good for players...

>>1685539
nonsense, there are only about 30 people at most in these threads, and at least 5 or 10 of them make maps occasionally.

>>1685539
I play maps, so yes, it concerns me in a way.

Why are you even in this thread?

>>1685539
>>1685558

Not either of you guys but lets go ahead and settle this:

http://strawpoll.me/1891429

>>1685539
If you have played doom long enough, you will fuck around with the level editor. If you want to optimize a run, just looking at the levels from the perspective of the editor is nice.

Come on, the level editors are fucking straightforward, user friendly, easy. It isn't that autistic. Go play the game instead if people posting about mapping is drivel to you.

I'm going to start up Doombuilder just to spite you.

>>1684387
Virtua Cop would actually be pretty cool.

Actually, I was thinking of Revolution X.
Pic related.

>>1685539
I'm not much of a mapper, but as both a player and a guy who works on a lot of sprite/mod stuff, I can tell you that you cannot even fucking imagine how crucial mappers and mapping are to numerous mods + mod concepts. I'm pretty damn sure most others here feel the same way.

If anything, we need more mappers around here, and I don't think anybody should be telling them that their skill and their dedication to quality is an "autistic waste of time"

>>1685539

You're full of shit

>>1685571
>no, but I make mods
>no votes
either the mod makers are all asleep or it turns out their robots that only go on /doom/ general and make mods

>>1685647
They're.
If you're going to insult the mod makers, do it properly.

>>1685654
I wouldn't want to insult our future robot overlords.

>>1685217
Adessa.wad getting finished
if you don't do it for me, do it in memory of H.R. Giger

>>1684448
Should probably wait for the updated version of this animation (which will be coming today)

>>1685178
it's called a sound module, they've basically been replaced by soundfonts and mp3s and all that shit, but there's a ton of them laying around in pawn shops and on ebay if you really want one

>>1685647
Most of the modders map
TerminusEst13, Ijon Tichy, IMX, Marty Kirra, Mike12, Mystical all map, there maybe more.

>>1685217
i think a mod that emphasizes dodging would be cool, it's one of my favourite parts of playing doom

>>1684876
Soon.

>>1685539
>its autistic to contribute to the community
Fuck off retarded
>>>/v/

>>1684961
You act as if that's a notable amount of space these days.
Get with the times grampa.

>>1685387
>Also, unrelated, but fucking godammit, Captcha is in the shitter.
do you get the thing where it puts a street adress first and then the real captcha? it's fuckin annoying

>>1685217
A submachinegun or machinepistol to make use of the pistol ammunition in Accessories To Murder.

>pirate doom circus level

I finished the pinky sprites, here's the updated dicking animation for good measure:

http://i.imgur.com/C2aOWSd.gif

>>1685915
That definitely looks a lot more natural now, awesome work.

Also outstanding boobies, etc. etc.

>>1685915

>>1685915
Cowgirl when?

xd

>>1685915
ok now its gr8

So I half-assed this from a screenshot of some game.

It's a Ruger Mini-14, anyone have any pointers on it?

I would have preferred it to be centered, but I couldn't find any screenshot from any game that had one showing one in a Doom perspective, and I can't draw worth shit.

>>1685915
>http://i.imgur.com/C2aOWSd.gif
Awesome.

OC

>>1686190
Pretty lame bait m8

>>1686190

So i noticed this in the trailer, looks like the BIGDOOR3 texture.

>>1686206
damn, nice catch

>>1686206

>>1685713
>falling for obvious bait

>>1686206
I'd cum buckets if Doom 4 will be to Doom what HD series were for Serious Sam.

>>1685501
>making maps is autistic

reread what i said
as long as the map fucking plays well, loads well, and works well, who gives a shit what was used to make it

as long as the map
1) plays well
2) loads well
3) works well
who gives a shit what was used to make it

does that say anywhere about mapping itself being autistic
or does it talk about throwing a shitfit about whether it uses UDMF or Hexen

hint: it ain't the former

>>1686198
>>1686203
>what are jokes
>what is humor

>>1686190
funny, but get misunderstood too easily
see>>1686203 and>>1686198

>>1686234
>hey guys look how retarded I am herp derp
>fuck off back to /v/ retard
>jokes on them I was only pretending

Any ideas for original enemies that havnt been done by official doom or popular mods?

>>1686241
Geez, my picture even got deleted. You were right, Doom fans don't have any humor or self-deprecation. This is stupid.

>>1686262
Hi, DKG@

>>1686262

Maybe you're not as funny as you think you are.

>>1686262
Why do you hate doom fans? I want reasons other than us deleting your unfunny 1/10 bait

>>1686256
Maybe robots made by the uac possessed by lost souls

>>1686276
But I'm a Doom fan. I don't hate you. I finished Sunder. Is that proof enough?
It was a joke ffs, are you guys so butthurt about modern FPS that you can't take a simple joke?

>>1686283
when I first saw the Trites I assumed that they were those sentry bots possessed by demons

>>1686256
Monsters based off Oddbodz
Google is pretty much mandatory for this one

>>1686276
>>1686289
i didnt think it was bait
he said "OC" which i think means "i just made this, what do you think"

>>1686265
He was funny enough for me.

>>1686289
Do you even know what board you are on son? Take your "joke“ to >>>/v/ it would be funny there

>>1686256
snake demons as reference to the fate of thieves in the malebolge

>>1686306
It's pretty funny watching you get mad about it in the exact same way the image says you would.

>>1686264
>everyone who's been shitposting is DKG
Whats next? Sgt. Mark is Sarias aka CZ aka DKG?

>>1686225
With PDAs as the sole method of storytelling and better use of all them Flash objects embedded onto models, but none of the "Enter Password" bullshit but real puzzles...

Hnnnggg...

>>1686323
>in the exact same way the image says you would
>talks about a retro fan getting mad about modern fpses
>instead posters are telling someone their joke wasn't funny
>"joker" is getting assblasted that his joke isn't being well-recieved due to being shit and is desperately flailing about as mods delete his posts
>we're the ones being mad

k

>>1686323
Bro you have no idea how chill I am. Calling out a faggots unfunny joke =/= mad. Are you gonma delete your post again?

>>1686331
Literally do not give him any attention.

Remember:
Report and ignore.

>>1685647
beep boop

dakka will get a new release eventually i swear

>>1685647

beepa boop, I'm watching Nintendo's E3 shit and I'm up to my eyeballs in hype, more GMOTA v1.0 work

>>1686353

Same here. I am so fucking hype.
And also trying to figure out how the fuck I'm gonna integrate ZSS' Final Smash into Dreadnought.

>>1686256
not an enemies but a design for an existing one, Egyptian and Aztec style Revenants

>>1686353
Splatoon Doom when?

Splatdoom

>>1686398

Don't even get me started on how fucking hype that game makes me.
The ability to use your ammo to increase your mobility would be perfect for Doom, too.

Unfortunately I just know any attempt recreating it is going to be completely half-assed

>>1686407
Yeah, you'd need some pretty hefty scripts to pull off the ink like that.

>>1685217
a mod the uses multiple skins for the same demon, sometimes mowing down the same identical imps gets dull

>>1686420
Would be especially nice for zombies.

>>1686426
there's a mod that adds scientists both male and female, but they are pure melee foes

>>1686420
yeah mix in some doom 3 looking imps and such, maybe do the same for other foes

I really hope that Doom 4 movement is light and fast like vanilla and not clunky like a brown shooter. they can validate it with some mars has low gravity reasons, just please let it move sanic fast!

>>1686053
Redrew the oprod/charing-handle almost entirely from another screenshot, most of it I couldn't make visible at an angle that made sense, I don't know, maybe I just have brain problems.

Anyone have any criticism or suggestions?

>>1686295
heh
on an unrelated note, it took me a while to notice that there were 2 spider monsters, the trite and the tick

>>1686448
It's not on Mars, it's about Hell on EARTH!

>>1685915
>http://i.imgur.com/C2aOWSd.gif
would be better to bend her legs no, it just looks weird this way

>>1686453
to your credit the Ticks didn't show until Resurrection of Evil, I know that they made Trites for classic doom mods but I keep wanting big Trite/Tick models to serve as alternate arachnotron models

>>1686448
heck I'll take justifying fast movement with chromosome 24

>>1686461
>Ticks didn't show until Resurrection of Evil
They show in vanilla D3 though.

>>1686461
>>1686465
yup

>>1686461
Best fucking custom Doom monster ever. I had an Imp that ploped its head off on death. The single most annoying you can imagine.

>>1686570
You gotta be fucking kidding me!

>>1685558
>30 guys.
I want to believe here's at least one hundred, don't kill my illusions bruh!

>>1686229

Not him, but

>as long as the map
>1) plays well
>2) loads well
>3) works well
>who gives a shit what was used to make it

mappers do, and that was an argument between mappers about giving someone trying mapping out advice on which format to use. It absolutely does matter which mapping format he decides to start mapping on since the differences between UDMF and Hexen in ZDoom are pretty large in some areas.

>>1686229

Not him, but

>as long as the map
>1) plays well
>2) loads well
>3) works well
>who gives a shit what was used to make it

mappers do, and that was an argument between mappers about giving someone trying mapping out advice on which format to use. It absolutely does matter which mapping format he decides to start mapping on since the differences between UDMF and Hexen in ZDoom are pretty large in some areas.

>>1686584
There's 55 votes in the strawpoll so far

>>1686584
we are slower than the damn roguelike general man
though that may have to do with the nature of the content

>>1686584
there must be a lot of lurkers, i hardly ever say anything except for this post. We are watching though