/vr/ - Retro Games

Why does anon generalize a whole thread of people?

>>1685729
Why does the caged bird sing?

I'm gay.

>>1685726
>awkward awful controller
>overly blurry
>no cds
>few good games

We don't hate here, we're not immature children who get mad at video games.

Also, N64 has pretty cool games, it's hard to hate.

I don't. I love the N64, but it certainly is far behind Saturn and PS1. Reasons?
>The most uncomfortable big-name controller ever
>DOESN'T OUTPUT GODDAMN RGB
(yeah, sans a few models, but still)
>Smaller library
>Nearly no 2D games
>Impossible to pirate games, and pirate copies that existed were very hard to get

I bought an N64 right after I got a job. When I got a PS2, revived my Mega Drive and got a couple of portables, I sort of left it there to collect dust...

The biggest offender is the first issue.
If I could only get a Hori controller somehow I know I would enjoy the games it has a lot more ;__;

>>1685726
It's really only good for party games, iffy collectathons, and OoT

I'm OK with the system itself, but the controller is just plain awful. What the hell were they thinking when they made that thing?

>>1685772

Coming back to /vr/ after experiencing all the E3 shitposting on /v/ reminds me how much I love you guys. It's nice being around people who actually enjoy their hobby and aren't just bandwagon-hopping losers.

>>1685772
>We don't hate here, we're not immature children who get mad at video games.

I am. I fucking rage so hard.

But then I man up and beat it. But yelling is fun.

but I loved the N64
granted it was no PS or SNES but it was still quite good

I don't hate the N64, I just think it was the worst major-party console of all time. Without the Big N's name and first party titles it would have been an also-ran like the 3DO or Turbografx, and even with them it's still a joke of a system.

It only has a small bunch of games i like and the library of games is very small.Its the worst Nintendo home console in my opinion.

>>1685732

Maya Angelou knew, but she's dead.

>>1685870

I'd rate the Wii significantly lower.

I don't. I (regrettably) chose it over a PS back in the day, but it had it's problems. Mainly the controller and lack of CDs, as has been said. I don't think the controller is anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be though. It's not like you *actually* need three hands to use it.

>>1685846
>E3 shitposting on /v/

but anon, all that shitposting is what makes /v/ fun. They treat vidya as serious business, way too easy to troll the idiots there. but you're right, /vr/ is just awesome after spending some time on /v/.

literally that evangelion game saves the n64 from teh worst console of all time end of the line.

>>1685883

I went over there to see what the word was on E3 this year and all they were talking about was Smash Bros. Coming back here was like slipping into a nice hot tub after being out naked in the snow.

>>1685865
>>1685885

So you guys think the N64 is worse than, say, the Jaguar?

>>1685885
>evangelion game

holy shit m8! there was a neon genesis evangelion game on the n64?

>released only in japan

goddammit japan... this would have been fun to play. I don't like NGE as much as /a/ does, but its a good show.

Mostly because of the controller, but also because of a shitton of poorly conceived 3d games that were dumped onto it and My First Console generation fell in love with because they didn't know any better.

>>1685760
>Liking CDs over carts

for real?

>>1685916

Not him but whilst I prefer the tactile experience of putting a cart in a slot to a disc in a tray, a CD does hold a lot more data than a N64 cart.

Hate is a strong word. I do like a few games on the N64. Thing is, it lacks entire genres of games which are my favorite, like shoot em ups, fighting games. It also has very few JRPGs. Instead, it's full of games from one genre which I totally loath: collectathons. The party games are fun, but no real substitute for a well balanced library.

>>1685880
It's not retro but you must be crazy. Even if we only compare Wii library to N64 library the Wii is way better and that's ignoring its backward compatibility and softmod potential.

>>1685890
While Atari was a major party, they weren't anymore even by the Jaguar's release. They SHOULD have taken the US Famicom distribution deal back in the 80s and put all their 1st & 2nd party development muscle behind creating American style games for it but they didn't so they were irrellevent by the 4th gen, let alone the 5th.

>>1685962
>It's not retro but you must be crazy. Even if we only compare Wii library to N64 library the Wii is way better and that's ignoring its backward compatibility and softmod potential.

Well, just looking at my N64 and Wii libraries I'd say that, for me, there are more "essential" N64 titles than Wii ones. Backwards compatibility is a definite plus though I still have my GC and I'm not sure softmodding should be counted considering it probably wasn't Nintendo's intention for that to happen.

Almost everything which made the SNES awesome drifted towards the PSX during the 5th generation. A Nintendo console without any Square, Capcom and Konami titles simply isn't a real Nintendo for me. But no one buys a a Nintendo console for 3rd party titles anyway, right?

Also, not making a Metroid installment was unforgivable.

>>1685979

We got Prime in the end though. Whether that's a plus or minus is up to you.

>>1685846
>>1685883
E3 is a shitpost in it of itself

on /v/ and IRL

>>1685726
Lots of us don't, in fact I don't see much "hate", just preferences towards other consoles.

It had most of my favourite games, and an awesome library.
The analogue stick on the controller was pretty shit though.

I've never heard a good reason for all the hate directed at the n64 controller

>No one mentions the AKI wrestling games
>No one mentions the solid FPS/TPS games like Jet Force Gemini, GoldenEye, PerfectDark
>No one mentions the Mario Sports and Party titles
>No one mentions the bad-ass Star Wars titles
>No one mentions Goemon, Chameleon Twist, or Mischief Makers
>No one mentions all the first-party titles
>No one mentions Banjo/Conker
>No one mentions the AKI wrestling games

It's like you guys CHOOSE to be ignorant of the system.

>>1685991
Prime made up for the wait.

>>1685969
Wii was a toy for kids and people who don't play games. Motion controls are always a bad idea, and the games were nothing memorable.
The Wii is not a console people who like games.

>>1686032
The stick digging into your thumb is my only complaint. Beyond that I would say it sits around the middle of a list of worst to best controllers.

>>1686039
That's how I feel, there's definitely worse controllers (gamecube)

>>1686048

the gamecube controller is the greatest controller ever though

>>1685847
I also like angry yelling anon, makes completing shit so much more enjoyable.

why the heck does no one ever mention DOOM 64. That was the best in the series when it comes to tense atmosphere. In my opinion. The 64 controller is also ten times comfier than the gamecube controller, the only real problem being the bad analogue stick.

>>1686058

Put another Z button on the left in front of L and replace the GBA D-pad with a better one and yeah, absolutely.

Honestly, after the SNES, I stopped caring about Nintendo. I owned an N64 and Gamecube, but hardly played them. Never owned a Wii and don't plan on getting a WiiU.

>>1686036
>>1685969
I'm not going to try to start a Wii discussion on /vr/ but both of you guys should look deeper at the Wii library. Also, consoles always expand beyond the manufacturers original intentions. If they don't then they're definitely huge failures.

>>1685726
I don't. It has some god tier exclusives.
I do prefer the PSX though for having a much larger library of great games.

>>1686084
Not sure what happened with Doom 64 and me, but I feel the exact opposite way. It's hands down the worst in the series for me and I try my best to forget its existence. I really wanted to like it, too.

The N64, as much as I love to hate the hardware, really wasn't that bad. I honestly can't think of more than 10 good games for it, and only 3-4 great games, but the few good games it had we're a fun and unique experience. Plus it's hard for me to hate the system that gave me Mario Party.

I don't, it's 10/10 IMO

>>1686128
>I honestly can't think of more than 10 good games for it, and only 3-4 great games
I don't know why people bother saying stuff like this.
It doesn't prove anything to the people you're arguing with, since they could (possibly correctly) assume you're just ignorant of the system's library.

>>1686128
hence why i said tense atmosphere. It was a different type of doom. Where as Ultimate Doom and Doom 2 where straight up action with rockin soundtracks and great stages, Doom 64 gave off the scary vibe. Lack of true music, focus on ambient sounds and sound effects, darker and smaller areas overall. Still, some stages do go over the top, like the secret stage, or the stage where they plop you in the middle of the area and all the enemies start blasting away. It was, in a way, Doom 3 before Doom 3 existed. You should try it again. Go to the doom thread and download the mod that allows you to play it KB+M. Its fantastic.

>>1686036
>The Wii is not a console people who like games.
By contrary, the Wii is a console for people who actually like games. People who dislike it seem to prefer "cinematic experiences" like Beyond Two Souls.

>>1686036
Every game console is a toy fucktard. Don't talk about things you don't know anything about.

>>1686154
I love the wii, and it does have a solid library of games and game genres, but I understand why the people complain about the motion controls. But meh, Platformers all day evry day

>>1686142
I've only played 60 or so games for it and in no way did I claim to be an authority on the matter of _your_ opinion and experience. Also didn't know I was currently in an argument... I admit I could have found a less negative way to say that I don't remember there being many good games. Apologies for that.

>>1686152
It's been some years, I'll give it a shot bearing in mind it isn't trying to be its predecessors. That very well could have been my problem.

>>1686152
I grew up on the DOS Dooms, but I can honestly say that the PS1 Doom and Doom 64 are my all time favorites because of the stronger horror atmosphere.

>>1686182
well, my job here is done. 64 indeed was a very awesome console. For those looking for the square touch, there is an ogre battle for the 64. Still, the lack of capcom fighting games was a disappointment, considering they ported SFA2 to SNES.

>>1686216

The SFA2 SNES port was horrid though.

>>1686213
you know, i remember buying the first episode of doom from my local 99cent store. In the very first stage, there was clearly a nazi symbol that came down when enter the room before the room with the imp and acid floor. When i played it again on the doom 3 special edition, and that was missing, i was jarred. Doesn't help that my friends, who also like doom, never seen that before. I wish i still had that disc.

>>1686058
I can't stand it, horrible triggers and unresponsive loose buttons

>>1686218
I know, but it was done. what stopped them from putting it on the 64? or any of their other titles. Hell, they got resident evil2 on there with enhanced graphics, all on one cart, though the fmvs suffered a lot. So what gives?

only /v/ hates video games
that's why they're so easy to pick out here

the n64 is my favorite console.
great single player memories
great 4 player memories
mario party brought my brother, sister, mother, and I all together just to come apart when one of those bitches stole my stars. occasionally someone got hurt in the chance time crossfire.

the controller was god tier save for that analog design. i replaced all of mine with the gcw style ones you find on ebay. and yes, they work fine for golden eye, perfect dark, ssb etc.

>>1686680
GCN* fuck my boneitis

>>1686681
cant wait http://retroactive.be/tech_n64_hdmi.php

>>1686058
Couldn't disagree more.

>>1686035
PREACH! The N64 had a lot of great third part games, just not the ones that had been traditionally popular in previous gens.

>>1685726
My reason for disliking the N64 is because the controller was very poor and the only good games were 1st party. I believe a good console has good 1st and 3rd party support, which I believe the Playstation had, and so much more.

>>1686901

>the only good games were 1st party

Then you don't know the N64's catalog well enough.

Of course PS1 has more, this is no secret, but N64 has a lot of gems from both 1st and 3rd party, it's just most people will always say SM64 and OOT, just as for PS1 it's always things like MGS and FF7.

There weren't that many 1st party Sony games that people remember. I loved Jumping Flash 1 and 2, they were my first PS1 games, but you barely see people reccommending these, it's always 3rd party. The only 1st party Sony titles most people know about are Gran Turismo.

>>1686901
>the only good games were 1st party
So games like Mischief Makers, Goemon's Great Adventure, Rocket: Robot on Wheels, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron, Snowboard Kids, Extreme G, Rayman 2, Bomberman 64, and anything by Rare (Blast Corps, Diddy Kong Racing, Banjo-Kazooie, Perfect Dark, etc.) just don't exist to you?

>>1686901
Unless if I don't know what 3rd party means... isn't Rareware 3rd party? If so they had my favourite N64 games, those being Conker's Bad Fur Day, Diddy Kong Racing, Banjo Kazooie and Banjoe Tooie... Although the controller's stupid, I always found it pretty easy to play with. It wasn't cumbersome or physically painful for me

>>1685920
More data = more fun? Nah

Also lookup disc rot

>>1686919
>>1686920

Rare was second party, most people will think of Rare games as 1st party because Nintendo published them.
With this in mind, Treasure games (Mischief Makers, Sin and Punishment) are also 1st party because Nintendo published them (in fact, Mischief Makers was published by Enix in Japan). Bangai-O (the other N64 title by Treasure) was published by ESP though, so it's ligitmately 3rd party.

But yeah there are games like Goemon, Harvest Moon, Star Wars, Snowboard kids, Ogre Battle and many others that were indeed 3rd party and great games.

To me, PS1 was more 3rd party, less 1st party goodness.
N64 was more 1st party goodness, and less 3rd party, but still some of the 3rd party games are really, really good and among the best of the 5th gen IMO, both Goemon games on the 64 are among my favorite titles from the entire 5th gen.
Also, if you consider japan-only games, N64 has even more great 3rd party. (Same with PS1 though).

Anyway I don't know why people insist on this N64 vs PS1 thin here on /vr/. Give it a rest guys.
Also Saturn is the best anyway.

>>1686727
OH YES.
Finally, no more spending hundreds of dollars to get an HD signal from this wonderful console

>>1686936
>Rare was second party, most people will think of Rare games as 1st party because Nintendo published them
I guess, but they're that special kind of second party where they are an independently owned and operated studio with some sort of exclusivity agreement. They were never a subsidiary or anything like that.

Treasure I'm not sure I'm agree with.
Sin and Punishment is definitely first party Nintendo because Nintendo funded it and even helped Treasure develop it.
Mischief Makers is much more unclear. Like you said it was published by Enix in Japan, and they probably paid for the game's actual development. Nintendo probably just paid to have a good game localized. I imagine Square Enix owns the IP now.

>>1685726
I dont hate it, there just arent enough games for my taste to start a collection for. Considering tackling Genesis instead.

In my case both N64 and PSone have around 15 games I care about.

People in general consider PSone better because it had many 2D games like Rayman, Castlevania SON and the Street Fighter games + jrpgs + more third party games.

I don't have a problem with buying a console for only 10 games, most people dont, the average console owner in the 90s was a kid who would get one game for birthday and one game for Xmas. And the average attach rate is ike 9 games per console even nowadays.

If you are the kind of person who plays a lot of games then you may find the N64's library of great games to be too small for you.

>>1686035
tfw I just bought an orange n64 from my friend and a blue controller with f-zero

I also have WWF no mercy, still has my brother and my first characters we made in the edit.

Also, I paid $60 for the system, controller and f-zero and it came with the hookups.

>>1688027
sounds like a shitty friend

>>1688052
How so?

It's funny how there's so much hate nowadays for the N64, while I remember everyone being really excited because of its fuckawesome 3D graphics when it came out.

The controller's shit, though.

>>1688061
>60 dollarydoos
>friend
pick one.

how it should have went:
>i saw you were trying to sell your n64, what do you want for it, buddy?
>i wanted 60 on craigslist, but for you, bro, give me twenty bucks and bring a six pack

>>1688062
I don't see much hate apart from the obvious, but it was easily the worst competitive 5th gen console. It had a lot of great titles, but it paled in comparison to the library of the Saturn and PS1. At least, it has the best Sidescrolling platformer of all time.

>>1688067
>At least, it has the best Sidescrolling platformer of all time.
i've never played mischief makers, should i?

>>1688068
if you'd like, but I'd recommend goemon's great adventure instead.

>>1688065
Actually I paid $30 for the console and then I went to a local store and bought f zero and the controller for $30 as well

I know that I shouldn't love the N64, but I do. My favorite games are collectathons, and it's the only console with a variety of them.

>>1685920
But you can't access anything instantly on a CD like you can on a cart, especially with the slow CD read speeds back then.

I was watching the developers of Conker play through it on YouTube and there was a part where Robin Beanland shut them up to demonstrate walking between two areas. The music seamlessly mixed from one track to the other with tempo lock as if a DJ did it. You can only do that with two MIDIs running simultaneously and no load times at all in pulling them up along with the game areas. In other words, you can only do that on cartridge. They couldn't replicate that for the 360 remake.

>>1688092
I didn't know that! That's actually really cool.

>>1688069
>>1688068

Just play both. Goemon is more like a traditional sidescroller platformer with co-op, Mischief Maker is more unique regarding game mechanics.

>>1688092
>The music seamlessly mixed from one track to the other with tempo lock as if a DJ did it. You can only do that with two MIDIs running simultaneously and no load times at all in pulling them up along with the game areas.

Despite the fact that Monkey Island 2 did it on a damn floppy in 1991. MIDIs have nothing to do with space or loading times.

>>1688258

Well, they kind of do. MIDI is much smaller than digital audio, so takes less space and will be read into RAM a LOT quicker. With old CD drives, seek to.e was the real issue, it would take a lot longer to find the data than with the easy direct addressing of a cartridge ROM.

And the time locked cross fade is super easy with MIDI (the same way Monkey Island 2 did it), and a lot harder with digital audio. Not impossible with today's sound tech like auto beat detection and pitch & speed adjustments - but a PSX would never handle it. And even computers that can, won't do it perfectly

>>1688092
>>1688272

Is that like in the Goemon games where the music would dynamically change the more you advanced into the levels?
I remember reading an interview where the sound designers said that was one of the most difficult things to do.
Wish more games did things like that though, it's very cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AGLIzzkRyc

music changes at 1:06 and then again at around 2:00.

>>1688272
>Well, they kind of do. MIDI is much smaller than digital audio
>a PSX would never handle it
do you really think that every PlayStation game streamed music from the disc

>>1688272
I still don't know about that. If we're still talking about MIDIs seamlessly switching not being possible on the PSX, Vagrant Story did it with no pauses at all. Cutscenes have incidental music that are timed to action scenes, and you still have to scroll through dialogue with your own input, some cutscenes seamlessly become gameplay segments while still playing the cutscene music, then it changes to next segment of the song at the appropriate timing when the action scene is done. In the PSFs, there are nine files for the song that plays during the intro alone. I remember playing VS for the first time and being legitimately amazed at how the music was somehow being synched up to what was happening on screen during gameplay.

I think it's less of a problem with the medium and more of a problem with the developers willing to do it. It's a lot of work for little gain.

>>1688281

Exactly like that, and SUPER easy to do with MIDI, because the format makes changing instruments, tempos, even entire riffs easy. The hardest part is writing loads of different dynamic channels of music that'll go together, and deciding what in the game makes them change.

But that's more music theory & game design than technology.

MIDI is brilliant technology, if only people had better sound cards/sound modules that rendered it nicely

>>1685726
>/vr/ hates the N64
Looks like you got yourself a good b8 thread op

>>1688290

The vast majority of it is CDDA, like music CDs - so yes it is streamed from disc without the flexibility of MIDI.

Not all games, but all the games that boasted "CD quality audio" on the back of the case did. Which by my experience is 80+%

Here's an experiment you can try at home:
>get PlayStation game
>put in normal CD player
>skip track 1
>?
>enjoy music from game on home stereo unit

A lot of PC games of that era did the same, but nowhere near as high a percentage as with PSX

>>1688293
I'm not saying PSX couldn't switch MIDI seamlessly - they could. My point was that most PSX games used "high fidelity digital audio" - that couldn't be done seamlessly, on the fly, in response to game situations. I should have been more clear.

Back when it launched, the "high quality digital audio" was one of Sony's big selling points over the SNES et al

>>1688309

I'm mad that one of the few PS1 games that I'd actually like to listen to on an CD player (Ghost in the Shell) can't be played.

>>1688313
>>1688309

I should probably add that my experiment doesn't work on all CD players - some cheapo lasers don't deal with the black discs

>>1688309
Dude, what? Only a handful of PSX games used red book audio. The vast majority used the internal sound chip with MIDI, and the other bunch were streamed XM files. Very, very few PlayStation games actually used legitimate CD audio and those were mostly early titles, with some exceptions, like games with licensed soundtracks such as Tony Hawk.

>>1688339

I just did some research:-
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_1_games_with_CD_audio_tracks

Just over 160 listed, out of roughly 2400, makes it near 6 or 7 percent. So yeah, I was way out.

Inmy defence, I did say
>Which by my experience

I just didn't realize most of my experience was within that tiny group.

But yeah, comment redacted. Thanks for the education!

>>1688402
>>1688339

But I still think MIDI is awesome, and better for interactivity than prerecorded music

>>1686035
Thanks anon. Fuckin loved no mercy. That was the best wrestling game.

Because they have nothing better to do than shit on what's popular so that they can stroke their ego.

The N64 is an amazing console. It's definitely not the strongest of Nintendo's consoles, but to say that it's a bad console is one of the most ignorant and / or pessimistic views that you can take. Super Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, and Super Smash Bros. are some of the greatest and most pivotal games ever released.

>>1685962
How on earth can any sane human being say that the Wii is better than the N64? I can count on one hand the amount of Wii games that I'd pay for, and that's being really, really generous.

>>1685760
>no cds

enjoy your loading

>>1689253
>I can count on one hand the amount of Wii games that I'd pay for
That doesn't mean it doesn't have games, just that it has very few games you enjoy, or, more likely, you're ignorant about the console's library past the obvious stuff like Mario and Zelda.

>>1685726
Because, unlike people on /v/ (who adore the N64 when asked), people on /vr/ actually play N64 games.

That's all there is to it. When you remember something from your childhood that you haven't touched in years, it still seems amazing. That's why /v/ sucks N64's cock when the topic comes up.

However, those of us who make a point to specifically play older games often find out that the N64 is a pile of shit. OR at least not to our liking.

There's various reasons for that. Smaller library than the PS1, not as good as other Nintendo platforms, VERY small selection of actual AAA games, or maybe you're just too edgy to play those kiddy games. But that's all there is to it for the most part. IT just doesn't appeal to that large of an audience.

Honestly, the N64 is just not a very good retro console. Things released at the same time are better in various ways and Nintendo themselves have done a LOT better before and since. It's just kind of a throwaway console, unless you're a fanboy or specifically don't pay attention to anything better.

Sorry.

>>1689317
Not everyone is you and has your exact experiences and opinions.
I feel the need to point this out because you are SERIOUSLY banking on everyone being you in almost every statement you made there.

>>1689317
That's a cute opinion. Playing MK64 and SSB with m8s is still an absolute blast in 2014. I'm sorry you never had friends anon.

Question:
I want to play GE64 for the first time on an emulated computer.
I don't want to play it on KB+M though, but I don't want to buy and then fidget with a N64 controller for the occasion.
Do the N64 first person shooters work well with standard PC controllers?

>>1689324
Its always half nostalgia when you do co-op N64.

Seriously, would you enjoy playing Mario Party 12 or whatever the fuck its up to on Wii or Wii-U now with your buds? Of course you would. But playing Mario Party 1-3, Mortal Kombat, Smash Bros, and then other shit like Gauntlet and Golden Eye is mostly good due to nostalgia.

Not saying they're bad games, because the co-op games pretty much made the N64 a contender, but a huge chunk is nostalgia.

In the vein of N64 talk, can anybody recommend whether or not the Wii Virtual Console is a good service? I'm dying to get Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time (finishing up my 1st playthrough on a buddy's 64) and if I can get both for only 20 bucks then that's great. Or is it not even worth it?

>>1689362
I dunno, is it worth buying 2 games you like for 20 dollars?

What are you asking dude? The VC is fine

>>1689367
Just wondering if it ran smoothly or not. Wasn't completely sure about it. and I'd rather do this than go buy Mario 64 on DS for 30 bucks or an N64.

>>1689246
>Because they have nothing better to do than shit on what's popular so that they can stroke their ego.

Yes, Anon. It's certainly not because they simply don't enjoy the games. It has to be some sinister scheme, otherwise *your* ego would be hurt, right?

>>1686971
Pretty much this. Most of the ones you would ideally buy on N64 are playable by other means.

I like the console. Hell, I don't even have much of a beef with the controller. Just when you strip Nintendo/Rare games out of the equation there really isn't that much left.

>>1689369
IIRC there are some people who mention sound inaccuracies every now and then, but for the most part it's better than emulation as of now.

>>1689383
*better than N64 emulation

>>1689385
Thanks bud, going to my local store tomorrow morning

>>1685760
>>1685817

>awkward awful controller
How? I always thought the N64 controller was very comfortable and easy to use. It was shaped very nicely. I really don't get peoples complaints about it.
Unless you're one of those people that held onto the left part with left hand and stretched your thumb over to the joystick.
Or maybe your hands were too fat to fit comfortably? That'd be the best guess. All the fat fucks I knew back in the day didn't like the controller because of that.

I don't think the controller is uncomfortable if you hold it the right way, but the fragile analogue stick kills the controller for me anyway.

>>1686154
Cinematic games, and Wii games are both shit.
Wii games are just more expensive mobile games.

>>1686175
Considering I've been playing games since 1984, owned every major console, and been playing PC games since PC gaming was really a thing. I feel confident in my knowledge of this area. Fanboy elsewhere child.

>>1689437
You know you could have just said "Wii games are just more expensive Gamecube games" and trolled a lot more people that way.

>>1689313
The consoles library is nothing better then what I could find on my mobile.
Even the nostalgia bait is held back by shitty motion controls.

The Wii is at best a paperweight.

>>1689317
N64 games aged infinity better then the PS, as far as 3D retro game consoles go, N64 is the best in my opinion.

>>1689460
You have done nothing to demonstrate you have any knowledge of the system's library, or that you aren't an especially shitty troll.
Take your modern video game discussion to /v/ where it belongs.

>>1689317
This is the most retarded opinion, in a thread of retarded opinions.
People who like the N64 still play the N64, it's not just looking through rose coloured glasses.

What a fucking dipshitw

>>1689350
I grew up with the PS, and only just bought a N64 2 years ago. It is now one of my favourite consoles.

I like it for the same reason I love the Dreamcast , Snes, and Atari 2600. They're all good consoles with good games on them.

>>1685726
/vr/ doesn't hate the N64. Only faggots on /vr/ do.

>>1689467
Says the guy defending baby's first console.
It's a console that collects dust for most people, the only people who defend it are the most die hard fanboys.
The 1st party nostalgia trips began with promise, but became stale quickly.

The N64 was the last decent home console produced by Nintendo.
The Gamecube while a good console, lacked the support to make it stand out.

>>1689487
>>>/v/

>>1685916
I prefer carts to CDs, but CDs were obviously the better technology at the time, making it really cheap to manufacture games and practically removing the need to optimize for space (unless you wanted tons of voice and FMV or something).

>>1689462
I disagree. N64 games look like blurry ass due to the tiny texture cache, whereas PS games have much more texture RAM to play with, and no texture filtering to blur it.

There's a reason why whenever you see modern "low-poly" 3D, it looks like a high-res Playstation game, not an N64 game.

>>1688092
That's cool, but they were probably just too lazy to implement it for the 360 remake. The 360 should have plenty of RAM to hold 2 runtime-synthesized songs.

>>1688092
R-Type Delta, a PSX game, did this in its second stage. The music changes when you go underwater.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD6orWePmA0

>>1685726

super mario 64 was fantastic platforming, pretty revolutionary, if you dont like platforming games at all then i guess its understandable that a person might disregard how fucking awesome super mario 64 was.

kirby and the crystal shards was too easy but for children it is one of the best games of all time

in my opinion paper mario is a great rpg, that was very formative to my childhood. It has charm, it has fun battle mechanics, little to no "grinding", too easy, but truly memorable art style and characters

and the multiplayer fun of mariokart and super smash bros was irreplaceable

both the zelda games were awesome, i think majora's mask is maybe better, hard to compare, but i especially remember being awed as a lad by the upside down dungeon in majora's mask

starfox 64, pretty simple, but at least some challenge in the various paths you can take through it.

i've not enjoyed any console in my life as much as n64, but thats probably timing, i was a little too young to enjoy snes, i recall playing it a little as like a 4 or 5 yr old, and not being entertained

then n64 came out when i was 7, my friends all had it, never got one myself until i was 16 but i played it all the time, nothing compared

>>1686936
>Also Saturn is the best anyway.
brother.

>>1689413

>Unless you're one of those people that held onto the left part with left hand and stretched your thumb over to the joystick

those people frustrate the fuck out of me, unless, their hands are huge, then it works and is necessary, but otherwise, fucking stupid

my little brother was obstinate about holding it that way even though it clearly made him terrible at every game, he wouldnt budge because if he did what i said it would be obedience to me or something

i agree the n64 had a nice shape, the only problem I have with it is that the direction stick was not made with an especially long lasting design, it requires a little too much force in the pressing and is made of stiff plastic that wears, and the stick is always the first thing to go on the controller, i remember even from the very youngest I played, friends had "good controllers" and "bad controllers", because it only took a year for the stick to get messed up.

still, just as many people have controllers that still work well 20 years later, even if the stick is looser now.

>>1688402
That list is just for games that you can throw in a CD player and have play music though.
I would think Omega Boost, Ghost in the Shell, Chrono Cross, and Einhander use CD quality audio, but none of those are listed.
Omega Boost even uses licensed music for the final boss (different licensed track in every major territory).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fStVpVov9no&t=3m
Also, the guy you replied to mentioned Tony Hawk games, but only the first Tony Hawk's Pro Skater is listed.