/vr/ - Retro Games

Machines are women now?

Besides the metroid and phantasy star 1

Valis, Popful Mail, Alisia Dragoon, Monster World IV, Battle Mania Daiginjou and Burning Force were kay. Fuck El Viento

>>1685921
Terra from final fantasy VI was awesome.... that's if you count it as her the star.

also, I don't think there really are that many games that star women that are retro. Womyn in vidya gaems feels like a more recent thing.

>>1685936
I feel differently. Women as central characters were just as common in /vr/ times as they are now if not more. It's just that games didn't go all "YOU PLAY AS STRONG WOMYN" in your face as things like Mirror's Edge or Portal have been doing recently.

>>1685935
Realized most were from genesis. For SNES you got Hyper Iria, Magical Pop'n, Umihara kwase and pocky and rocky i guess Also fk Valis IV on the SNES. Add that demon hunter yohko shit for genesis and silviana for famicom but those was hella shit too. MUSHAS great tho.

>>1685936
There were a bunch of female MCs though of course less than male. They're just not memorable because most of the games while fun weren't THAT good.

>>1685953
GAW. Man, popful mail was great except for that fucking ice level

>>1685964
I loved Chilly! It was my favourite country in PM. Riff and Raff were awesome and King Lipps was a total bro. Even the fake one was pretty neat-o.
I missed Venuncio, though.
Remember Yahoo and AOL and MSN? When people actually chatted and emailed using those? My SN was Lord_Venuncio on each o'em.

Valis!

>>1685968
I just hate ice levels because of slippery floors, popful mail's isn't as horrible as valis III in genesis but I think ice levels is one of the things that improved in games as time went on.

>It's just that games didn't go all "YOU PLAY AS STRONG WOMYN" in your face as things like . . . Portal have been doing recently.

Huh? How does a character with no dialogue, who's only identifiable as a woman by looking in a mirror in-game, count as in your face?

>>1686072
I think he might have been talking about fans of those characters who act like a womyn as a playable character makes the game revolutionary.

>>1686083
To be fair, it is a nice change from a buff white dude with a buzzcut.

>>1686083
I think gamers are stupid sensitive to the social equalilty discussions going on in the industry. Seriously, your favorite thing is created by artists. why would you NOT think they were going to start getting all Liberal and Social Justice-y?

anyway, if there were more well-written females in games, people would quit throwing parades each time a new one was unveiled.

also, is Xbox considered retro? can I give some love to Kya, anyway?

>>1685921

Technically, a cyborg woman, but she turns into a full woman at the end

Cate Archer
Lara Croft
Lorna
Raidy
Baloon Kid
Wonderboy in Monster Land IV
Shantae
Druna

>>1685953
there were a fair amount of female characters. the problem is that they were either background characters, like Roll in Megaman, they were magic users/healers in RPGs, or they were fap-fodder in fighting games.

Characters like Mail (MC, weilds weapon, beats up on male final boss) are rare in early video games

>>1685953
Portal didn't do that.

>>1685936
I vote Celes. I love Terra, but Celes is a much more nuanced, proactive character.

No Perfect Dark?

>>1686392
Why does that Beatrix look so dark, there was already a sexy brown girl in FFIX.

>>1686392
And what about the stuff these people mentioned?
>>1685935
>>1686381
>>1686384
>>1686403
plus stuff like Madou Monogatari and Puyo Puyo, Panel de Pon, and a bunch of other puzzle games I'm too lazy to bother thinking of?

Posting the obvious

Alisia Dragoon

>>1686401
>>1685936
I always thought of them both as protagonists. Terra is the protagonist of the World of Balance story, and Celes takes over in World of Ruin.

Does it count as a female protagonist if the character is a man who was turned into a woman by a curse?

>>1685974
Too bad they almost literally raped Valis by turning the games into hentai.

>>1686443


on which platform?

gotta get my hands on it!

>>1686406
I hope I didn't say EVERY female was an accessory to the MC... I guess you could read it that way...

I specifically remember Guardian Legend, Metroid, and El Viento from when I was a kid. they were rare exceptions, though.

>>1686443
They were done by another company, so it doesn't count.

>>1686424
if robots count, then we might as well count transsexuals

>>1686475
I just don't think they're as rare as you imagine them to be.

>>1686456
http://vndb.org/v7987

Zanthia

Extase

>>1686384
how did you find out about Monser World 4? I thought it didn't have a Western release?

according to Sega, it was one of the first games with a female protagonist. not sure if I buy that, but rock on, Sega

Dino Crisis
Illbleed
Napple Tale : Alisia in Daydream
Space Channel 5
Alone in the Dark
Phantasmagoria
Trespasser
Starcraft
Get Medieval
Galpanix

Lost eden

>>1686603

>>1686604

>>1686585
via /vr/, eh.

>>1685921
Ringout!

>>1686585
It came out in 1994. No way was it one of the first. Even Sega's own Streets of Rage predates that.

>>1686585
>I thought it didn't have a Western release?
It got an official translation and release like a year or two ago I think.

Does Ms. Pac Man count?

Daisu-Kiss
Sexy Parodius
Cotton

>>1686605
I want to be raped by amazons.

>>1686478
trying to find the actual study, but...
https://www.seejane.org/research/

according to the Geena Davis institute, whenever about 17% of the people in a given space or scene are women, men will think its 50/50. any more than 17%, and the guys start thinking they are a minority.

people aren't used to seeing 50/50 male to female ratios in media. which is weird, because classrooms are usually 50/50...

I am pretty sure female characters are rare in retro games, because except for rpgs and fighting games, you never see them. and, by rare, I mean fewer than 15%. if you could count up every female character, background sprite, and NPC in every game from 1977 to 1998, I would be SHOCKED if there were 25% female.

>>1686597
>Napple Tale
you wanna talk about obscure... I have never seen a single piece of fan art for that game. also, I heard the entire development team was female. I wonder how well it sold?

While they weren't main protagonists, they were pretty important characters who drove the plot and had some good characterization.

>>1686671
>according to the Geena Davis institute, whenever about 17% of the people in a given space or scene are women, men will think its 50/50. any more than 17%, and the guys start thinking they are a minority.
Nowhere in your link is anything like this said.

Also, the link is talking pretty much exclusively about film and television.
AMERICAN film and television.
Most of the retro games we talk about come from Japan.
I don't think you can apply anything said on that page to retro video games for that reason alone.

>>1686678
>I heard the entire development team was female.
Never heard about that.
Pretty good game though.

>>1685921
Passionate patty.

>>1686702

anon already clearly stated that the link was not to the actual study. let me suggest something: if you feel the need to jump in and say something pedantic, maybe take a deep breath, read the post in question, and think before you type.

>>1686715
Regardless, it's still talking about American film and television.

>>1686702
my bad.
here is the NPR transcript where Geena Davis actually states the finding
>DAVIS: We just heard a fascinating and disturbing study, where they looked at the ratio of men and women in groups. And they found that if there's 17 percent women, the men in the group think it's 50-50. And if there's 33 percent women, the men perceive that as there being more women in the room than men.

http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=197390707

they are talking about the reactions of Americans. the source of the media is irrelevant when you are discussing people's reactions to it. you think there are a lot of female characters in old video games. I don't. I think you have this opinion because of this 17% effect. I am not calling you a bigot or an idiot, or anything... it just happens

>>1686736
have some cute 90's game girl art

yikes... those feet

>>1686612

Holy shit someone else has played Bermuda Syndrome!

Honestly, I didn't like the gameplay because I never liked Prince of Persia/Out of this World kind of controls, but the game was beautiful and I remember it came with the soundtrack which was also pretty good, used to listen to it frequently.

Anyway, the girl wasn't the main character.

>>1686745
>forgot pic

Tyris from Golden Axe

>>1686671
nothing personal m8, but I feel a lot of those studies are bullshit whining for the most part. if your self-esteem is connected to how many girls vs boys are in a movie, see a therapist, don't blame it on the movie/game/whatever.

>>1686384
Who are Cate Archer, Lorna and Druna? I have never heard of them

>>1686692
Might as well just say every side character in a JRPG is a main character.

>>1686758
I don't know... people are social animals. we like to hang around others like ourselves. I am assuming that's why you are on this board, not ESPN, or some other discussion board, right :)

the effect of feeling like you aren't represented is something hard for a white guy to experience. try hanging out in Victoria's Secret. maybe that will give you an idea of what its like.

anyway, if someone tells you that something is making them uncomfortable, you can't really tell them they are mistaken. I mean, you can't tell someone what they are feeling.

Blaze, from Streets of Rage, looking super 80's

>>1686736
>you think there are a lot of female characters in old video games.
No, I really don't.

>And they found that if there's 17 percent women, the men in the group think it's 50-50. And if there's 33 percent women, the men perceive that as there being more women in the room than men.
I'd be interested to see the actual source for what she's saying with no source here.
I'd also be interested to know why she's focusing only on men. Do women see this sort of stuff radically differently? If so, it invalidates the point she is attempting to make to some extent.

Valkyrie no Densetsu

Ride dragons and dupe potions all day errday.

>>1686776
sorry for mischaracterizing you.

I would like to see sauce for that quote, too. I don't think Geena Davis would just pull that out of her ass, but I don't know her, so... maybe?

anyway, I think its relevant because men are the ones you have to convince that seeing more women in media and professional situations is okay. If more women got jobs as college professors, or got more video games directed at them, they would be perfectly happy! its the dudes who need to be sold on the idea. and, you can't fix a problem if the people with power don't think its a problem

Mary, from Tobal No. 1
I am not looking for fighting game characters, but she is pretty unique. 6ft tall BBW who uses pro wrestling moves?

>>1686774
May I ask why you brought skin colour into it?

Lenneth Valkyrie was not posted? What?

Not sure if anyone else like Faria, but it was a fun NES game. MC was female, but unnamed.

Come on /vr/,No Dino Crisis?

Time to replay this one!

>>1686810
because that's an opinion that I usually associate with white men. non-white men know what its like to be underrepresented and feel out of place.

yeah... totally stereotyping

All i can remember

Burning Angels[shump for the PCengine],Magical chase,Perfect Dark,RE2,Mach Rider,Ice climbers if you were player 2 and SMB2 usa

>>1686812
People were trying not to post the obvious ones

honestly, I hate all this social justice crap. I would love it if everyone got a fair shake and everyone was happy. I like cute girls in my media, and I want more of them. Hell... I will even take ugly girls...

>>1686796
>anyway, I think its relevant because men are the ones you have to convince that seeing more women in media and professional situations is okay. If more women got jobs as college professors, or got more video games directed at them, they would be perfectly happy! its the dudes who need to be sold on the idea. and, you can't fix a problem if the people with power don't think its a problem

Looks like a false dilemma to me. Nobody gives a damn if videogames that are aimed at women are created. You don't need anybody's permission to make a videogame and market it towards women. All you need is an audience that wants to buy it. If you did then Zinga wouldn't be rolling in money.

What draws ire is videogames that are made for a mythical average person with average tastes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irZ-159xsZY

>>1685921
I can't believe this game is retro.

>>1686823
I notice a lot of SJW's who speak up about inequality and underrepresentation in vidya are middle-upper middle class white women. This might come off as a very radical thought, /pol/ level opinion if you may, that non whites may not care enough about vidya and care about real life problems that actually effect the world.

>>1686796
>I think its relevant because men are the ones you have to convince that seeing more women in media and professional situations is okay
No. No one needs convincing to play a game featuring a female main character. Do you honestly believe, even for an instant, that anyone has an issue with Pocky and Rocky, or Cotton, or Umihara Kawase, or Monster World IV, or Tomb Raider, or Portal for a modern example, having a female main character? Do you think men avoid such games because they only enjoy games where they can play as a man?

Parasite Eve (first game was only good one)
Twinkle Tale
Yggdra Union
Scurge
Klonoa (I guess)
Beyond Good and Evil
No One Lives Forever

Female characters aren't as underrepresented as some people claim, it just seems that way because most of their games are just "okay" so people don't really give a fuck about them.

>>1686863
>it just seems that way because most of their games are just "okay" so people don't really give a fuck about them.
But at the same time, Twinkle Tale, Monster World IV, Battle Mania Daiginjou, and Panorama Cotton are some of the best Genesis games around.
...aaaand they're all Japan only... oh...

>>1686869
imo
Monster World IV is great but I wouldn't call Twinkle Tale great and while I liked Battle Mania Daiginjou, I wouldn't call it a great game either. Compared to other shmups would you place Panorama Cotton as a great game?

>>1686823
What do you mean you say "underrepresented"? That rich people can represent poor people but men cannot represent women?

/vr/ - Politically Correct

>>1686882
I'd call all of them great, yes.

Good retro games with female protags:
Metroid
Tomb Raider
Ukamari Wakase or whatever, the fish game
Rusty
Toho series
Popful Mail
Yume Nikki
Clock Tower
Guardian Legend

>>1686758
>if your self-esteem is connected to how many girls vs boys are in a movie, see a therapist, don't blame it on the movie/game/whatever
Quit mansplaining.

>>1686847
I agree, I don't know if its the fans that need convincing. I know it is the creators and people who fund the creators. if they think that a game with a female protag won't sell, the designer won't get his (her) game funded. a lot of the issue with 50% of the population only visible 17% of the time is with the people calling the shots.

hey, maybe 4chan is super progressive, but I guarantee you, the rest of the US is not. to say nothing of the world... Although, gauging by the girls get on /v/, I would have to narrow that and say /vr/ is super progressive... if people making the games see a lot of hate thrown at female gamers, they might assume that games featuring female characters won't sell. I know this is stupid, because a lot of great games have female leads. Tomb Raider, being the best example. but, when you have the people behind Assassin's Creed saying female characters aren't worth it because they are too much trouble to code, you have a problem. this was said at THIS E3. Assassins Creed was created, in part, by a woman, and AS Black Flag tries to accurately recreate the entire Caribbean, yet coding a girl assassin is hard? that sounds like a bullshit excuse, to me

>>1686915
mansplaining is not real, my spellchecker in Firefox told me it's not a real word.

>>1686749
christ what's going on with her feet?

>>1686925
> I know it is the creators and people who fund the creators. if they think that a game with a female protag won't sell, the designer won't get his (her) game funded

Game companies want to make money and would rather not dabble into politics if it means they won't make profit. color me shocked.

>hey, maybe 4chan is super progressive
>4chan
>progressive
lol

> I would have to narrow that and say /vr/ is super progressive
but /vr/ shouldn't be progessive, I came here to talk about retro vidya, not politics. if I wanted politics, I would fuck off to /pol/

> but, when you have the people behind Assassin's Creed saying female characters aren't worth it because they are too much trouble to code, you have a problem. this was said at THIS E3. Assassins Creed was created, in part, by a woman, and AS Black Flag tries to accurately recreate the entire Caribbean, yet coding a girl assassin is hard? that sounds like a bullshit excuse, to me

bro, do you have any fucking clue how long it takes to make a game these days. It's not the 90s anymore. the game is coming out this October and unbisoft sure as fuck doesn't wanna delay it. They would not only have to re-create the models, they would have to go through the lengthy process of animating the models, hire more people to voice the characteres. It's not just that, the game is almost done. It's at the point they might as well re-do the game if they wanted to incorporate a female character who has a significant or important role in the game. since they would have to go through all the work (again) to accommodate some politically correct female character. wait till the next assassins creed anon.

>>1686883
that's not what "represent" means, in this case.
you seem to be using it as "acting on the behalf of". like, a lawyer representing a client.

the usage I am talking of is more literal. a member of a group acting as proxy for that group. if I am latino, and I see there are no latino members of the Avengers team, I might still watch/read it. If I see a latino, who is not a stereotype and is well written, I am a lot more likely to watch/read it. people love to hear about themselves. they also love to feel like part of the group.

Me, personally, I just love women. I have always loved stories with female protagonists, provided they are well written. if some 12y/o girl is inspired to become a scientist because of Lucca, in Chrono Trigger, great! I like girls, girl scientists, and girls in video games. triple win, for me!

Female Soldier, from DQ3
but, you all knew that

>>1686935
that, my friend, is called "the 80's" it fucket up Japan something fierce

wait until you see the 90's...
Ellis, from Battle Arena Toshinden

>>1686957
That is the worst anime style of all time, bar none

>>1686946
>money, no politics
agreed. but, this isn't politics, so much as the issues their fans find important. if it were a Japanese developer, so what? the Japanese are famously sexist. but, this is Ubisoft, the company that made Child of Light. Why was a female assassin not on their list of shit to do, in the first place? its not like they haven't been struggling to capture more female gamers, already.

maybe I am harsh on them, but I saw that screen shot of the new AS game. if the devs can accurately model every brick in a street a hundred feet below, they can spend a little time sprucing up an NPC model and slapping a hood on it.

Honestly, I wouldn't have brought any of this up if OP hadn't started the thread. I am trying to post relevant pics, too!

Arsia, from Napple Tale

>>1686964
and, yet, for a time Tsukasa Kotobuki was a god among men...

yeah... its pretty damn ugly... Here! have some more!

this is Sofia, from the same game. she was actually Sony's mascot for the fledgling Playstation, when it first launched. man... that was a disaster...

>>1686692
They were main characters, just not THE main character. There's also the fact that, unlike them, Crono doesn't have any personality, and that he can die permanently and the story moves on without him.

>>1686925
Quit being an idea guy and go work in the industry, see how fucking easy it is.

Well, guys, it's been fun, but once we get a shitposter mansplaining, I can safely say it's time to get out.

>>1687014
bye, please leave, feminism is just a form of cancer that is gonna kill 4chan. Well, there are several cancers plaguing the site, but feminism is one that can't be contained in one board.

>>1687014
>mansplaining
Get a load of this guy.

>>1686947
>if some 12y/o girl is inspired to become a scientist because of Lucca, in Chrono Trigger, great!
I think it's bullshit how there's this big push to get women interested in math and science, when men who are interested in those things get called nerds.

>>1686902
>finished game released in 2007
>first release in 2004
>somehow, this is retro
No.

>>1687071
girls get called nerds, too. I think its bullshit that anybody gets crapped on for following their interests.

>>1687079
>>1687071
>>1687046
>>1687034
chill out, samefag

>>1687084

>>1687084
I'm the fourth guy, I have nothing to do with comments 1-3.

Has it never dawned on anyone that women don't go into the sciences in any culture might be because Leonard fucking Shlain was correct in theorising that male and female gendered brains function entirely differently?
Wait... didn't he actually prove this goddamned point? I... I do believe that he did. Indeed I do.

But no. He's a man and therefore wrong and evil. And Camille Paglia is evil, too, because she dares question why feminists are, rather ironically, rarely feminine and are instead rather ugly and unlikeable creatures.

I have a strong aversion to feminists. Almost as strong as my aversion to vegans. Horrid people, the lot of them.

i hate these threads if only because it brings out the most retarded side of people on subjects that actualy matter instead of on silly vidya

>>1687103
shhh stop bring science into an arguement against muh feels - Every feminist ever

>>1687103
how about we stop making generalizations and saying "this person can't do that because they aren't supposed to" and just let them do it? Girl wants to do science, quit telling her that her female brain is too feeble. game designer wants to make Gears of War, but with all chicks. let them! stop generalizing and let the market decide

Athena, from the same game.
incedentally, this is also Athena Asamiya, from King of Fighters.

>>1687124
forgot the pic again

Christine, from Arkista's Ring.

I saw this in Nintendo Power, and wanted to play it so bad! I don't even think I knew anything about it. it just had a cool title

>>1687124
are you a feminist? Cause you don't seem to know what you are talking about. Nobody ever said females weren't able to go into math and science merely that the male brain is more adapted for it, of course there are exceptions but that is generally how it goes and nature reflects that. Don't be an idiot anybody can do anything they want don't let the feminists make you start believing their priveleges excuses.

>>1686847
Funny thing about that. My brother won't even consider playing a game if it has a female protagonist, nothing else in the game matters. Hell, if sees me play a game with a playable female character, he'll go a rant for a whole hour about "masculinity being stolen", and how basically all women need to be killed or transition into men. A lot of my male friends in high school were like that, though never about the latter part. That's more of special unique brand of batshit.

>>1687157
*more of his

>>1687157
Your brother is probably gay.

Moby, from the NES game WURM
another game I saw in a magazine and never got to play. man... fuck the old days of hoping and praying that a game shows up at Toys R Us so you can buy it. people who complain about digital distribution can go suck on a cactus

>>1687169
He isn't or he at least he loves pussy, but he is impotent.

And moving swiftly on, Legend of the Ghost Lion on the NES/Famicom is pretty darn sweet. It a lot of ways, it feels like some kind of fever dream fueled coming of age fantasy novel or animated film. Though, this being an NES rpg, Maria isn't exactly fleshed out a lot.

>>1687103
Don't even bother trying to point out that sexual dimorphism is responsible for the differences between men and women.
When these people think of equality, they think it means 50% women in any currently male dominated field. They don't stop to consider the idea that these fields might be dominated by men because men generally choose to pursue such fields, while women generally choose, of their own free will, to pursue other fields.

>>1687157
Your brother is mentally unstable and a potential murderer.

>>1687148
I don't think there is much evidence for female brains being unsuited for science. there is a strong case for women being adverse to criticism, which is why you rarely see women publishing articles on their research or editing Wikipedia articles. there is a strong case that women don't like competing against men, which is why you don't see a lot of women getting patents or leadership positions.

just because you don't see a lot of female scientists and programmers doesn't mean their brains can't handle it.

I am a feminist. although, really, I am just pro-equality. I think everyone should be more equal, not that women deserve some kind of privilege.

Maria, from Legend of the Ghost Lion

>>1687194
go back to tumblr

>>1687206
But the guy sounds like a complete wackjob. What does pointing that out have to do with Tumblr?

>>1687124
No one said that women can't, just that women typically don't. It wasn't even said that women totally don't. Just typically. IE, women are underrepresented in this field, that field and the other field for this reason, that reason and the other reason.
There's no shame in knowing the why of something, Anon.
Like knowing why black Americans in the US typically underperform in comparison to black African immigrants in the US in standardised testing though both sharing the same 'social disadvantage' of having black skin in a white-dominated society.

was watching my friend play the guardian legend last night

>>1687206
When he ends up murdering someone because he is batshit fucking insane and thinks he is allowed to do so because of some fucking absurd crazy sleight he thinks happened against him, what reaction image are you going to show to the family of the person he killed?

It's a shame that this board rejects /v/-tier discussions about everything else but accepts posts like yours.

>>1687193
calm down. no sensible person wants that. the only way you would get 50/50 is if you forced the issue. the numbers are not the issue. the people are.

Statistics describe the most likely outcome, regarding populations. they don't say shit about any given individual. if you say "the average girl brain is unsuited for science" that is a worthless point, because any girl who wants to do science will probably be already good at it. any girl (or guy) who hates science, probably sucks at it.

that's like saying there is a 95% chance the sky will be blue.

have some Feena, from Grandia

>>1687194
>>1687218
The scary thing is that he's actually held a gun to my head after an argument. I moved to a different town, but he still shows up in my house from time to time to take my food or steal some of my games. I love him, but I'm thinking of either calling the cops on him or move farther away.

>>1687214
okay... I buy that... bullshit pseudo-science has had a long history of explaining why women were unsuited for this thing or that. right now, in Saudi Arabia, they explain the ban on women driving as a safety measure to protect their delicate ovaries.

you probably have a point, but be aware that a lot of... unhelpful... people have made that same point

have some cute rodent girls, from FF9

>>1686967
Why should anyone be forced to include a female character though? If I were writing a story I'd probably make most of the major characters men just because, not being female, I don't think I'd be able to create a convincing female character.

Even beyond that, why should I be obligated to do anything at all in my personal game? If I have female fans that's great, but they should learn to love the work for what it is rather than what they wish it would be. If they want a game with female leads, they should make it themselves. If the market for such a game is as big as you say they should have no trouble.

>>1687238
eh... holding a gun to someone's head is the kind of shit a lawyer would have a field day with. I vote that you sick the cops on him.

here... have a cute girl
I think its Ayla, from Chrono Trigger

>>1687218
oh good lord dude, this is 4chan. His post is something I would expect to see on boards like /b/ or /pol/ right now. Also, we reject /v/ because of bullshit drama they start, not because of any sensitivity reasons.

I know it isn't precisely on topic, but does anyone else here love Centipede or Millipede? I think it's still relevant to the thread since Centipede was the first game designed by a woman.

I like that first and all, but the fact that the first goes to one of my favorite arcade games in the first place makes it feel deserving of that honour, trivia, etc.

>>1686456
Don't bother. The art is so bad and there's nothing but rape.

>>1687247
if its your personal game, that's fine. the most important thing to any successful work is that the creator WANT to do it, and want to do it to please his audience. if that audience is himself, that's fine.

once the audience gets too large, then its not just a private affair. Games aren't obscure toys for hobbyists and nerds, anymore. We are rubbing elbows with millions of other fans, like it or not. and the creators may have started out making children's toys, or entertainment for geeks, but they are shepherds of global culture, now. Where Charlotte's Web and The Wizard of Oz used to shape childhoods, we now have Pokemon and The Legend of Zelda. Childhood memories for tens of millions are being made with a controller in hand. Fans, you and I, have done that, so it sucks to have our favorite thing taken away from us.

but, its not really being taken away. there are still games that cater to niche audiences. I, personally, like pixel art and chiptunes. luckily, the indie game scene is there to satisfy me. but, the massive AAA games can't be all weird and niche. they cost too much to make, and honestly, they are too important. Ubisoft and EA and Nintendo, and all, don't get to pretend it's their little sandbox, anymore. With great power comes great responsibility.

the global culture wants its values and ideals reflected back at it. Major game publishers have been given incredible power over culture, so they have to deliver what the people want.

Lucca, while I dig up more obscure game cuties

>>1687275
>the global culture wants its values and ideals reflected back at it
There is no "global culture."

>Major game publishers have been given incredible power over culture, so they have to deliver what the people want.
And they're doing so. It just isn't the same thing that SJW nutjobs want.

>>1686363
>Hail to the king, baby

>>1687283
>It just isn't the same thing that SJW nutjobs want

what the SJW's want... what the fuck DO SJW's want? They are literally impossible to satisfy. if you made a game about a strong independent black blind women in a wheel chair, they would get offended she was skinny and was oppressing fat people with her thin privilege. No, I am not making up the term "thin privilege" they really believe that.

>>1687283
>global culture
lets say... progressive Western culture
global is a bit much...

>>1687275
Looking too deep into it much?

>>1686843
what does SJW mean?

>>1686863
The first game is just so wonderful to me, the character of Aya Brea especially. She felt real to me (albiet a real "normal" person thrown into something bigger) , especially in the way they handle New York well as a setting, which only cemented it. She's a total badass, but with her own vulnerabilities, moods, ideals and people she cares about. I don't even think the game has a good story, but Aya was a kinda character in a game I never expected, but always wanted, and felt like the coolest game protag ever to me as a girl in highschool when I first picked up the game.

I never really saw much of the more scandalous official art till later.

>>1687296
big mean internet boogiewoman

>>1687296
Social Justice Warrior. An irrational person who believes that your rights stop where their feelings begin. Everything that does not cater to them is an assault against them. Nintendo is the devil for not making all of their characters gay transsexuals.

>>1686843
Upperclass white women are pretty well protected and taken care of. you are right, they get to pick on things that most other people won't because they are too busy surviving. its not /pol/, at all. that is good deductive reasoning.

I don't think that discredits their cause. it doesn't matter who points out the injustice. its still wrong. and, surviving takes a lot of time and energy. those people on the bottom would be very grateful for a helping hand. even if it is something that seems trite, like women and minorities being marginalized in video games

Can't remember if La Pucelle was PSX, or not...

>>1687242
>bullshit pseudo science etc etc

I absolutely agree. Even when the science is sound, one must be careful of two things when it comes to discussion of the delicate topic of minorities, be they gender, sex, sexual or racial.

1) to use the data only as data and not as justification for holding strongly biased opinion based on any of a person's several categorisations
2) to avoid using the data to make concrete statements rather than observations.

There are many, many women in the sciences. They are underrepresented. Acknowledging this fact is not a crime. Researching a reason for it is not a crime. Announcing the collected data that could provide an explanation for the underrepresentation of women in the sciences should not be a crime, either, so long as it doesn't contradict those two points I made above.

>>1687308
It wasn.t

>>1687296
think of the liberal version of /pol/. replace what they think of Jews and blacks with straight white people / anyone who disagrees with them.

>>1686863
ah... I think I ran into a couple of those, on Tumblr. one was a guy who posted screen shots of Korean MMOs and bitched about the skimpy armor. it was cute, for a few posts... then it got stale. who gives a shit about Korean MMOs? I could see if he was trying to shine some light on games that actually had mass market appeal. he struck me as the kind of idiot who complains that the plot in porn movies are boring and objectify women

hmm... can't find fanart for these dirt-old games... have some Samus!

>>1687296
SJW ("social justice warrior") originated, ironically enough, in left-wing circles as a term of mockery for the people who made it their duty to be offended over the tiniest things. Eventually it spread to the wider internet where the meaning was diluted, particularly on 4chan, where it basically refers to anyone who isn't as much of a bigoted asshole as the poster using it.

>>1687331
difference between us and SJW's is that we (4chan) are fully aware we are bigoted dickheads and we can admit it. SJW's think they're doing good for the world and in no way shape or form are they hateful, bigoted people.

>>1686863
Klonoa was a guy... not that you could tell...

>>1686726
Who the fuck is this?

>>1687335
On the other hand, SJWs and 4chan bigots are similar in that nobody takes them seriously except each other

>>1687338
monster world 4

>>1687341
if the jews are so innocent how come they have been kicked out of like every country they have ever inhabited. Sorry to bring /pol/ into this but it's something I have always wondered. Can someone seriously answer that question or at least point me in the right direction.

>>1687346
1. go ask >>>/pol/ this is retro vidya

2. bigotry against jews has existed for an extremely long time. long before Jesus was crucified, but I think it was the crucification that really got the ball going. might be wrong, go ask /pol/ for a fact check.

>>1687342
Thanks, the game looks really fun, will check it out.

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>>1686585
Brother's friend had genesis emulator (never knew how did he got them in 1996... in Mexico) and almost every genesis game released so far.
My favorite games where Golden axe & 2, Ecco & 2, SOR &2,3 and specially MW4, I don't know why but I love it like there's no tomorrow

>>1687346
because they don't have a state. the same with Native Americans, Roma, and a lot of other groups. if you don't have political power, and your don't worship the same god, you are pretty much begging to be screwed

>>1687341
I don't understand how people get the impression that SJWs aren't taken seriously. Because they are.

>>1687346
>if the jews are so innocent how come they have been kicked out of like every country they have ever inhabited.
I'm almost certain this is bait but... it mostly comes down to them being an easy 'other' to target, due to their self-segregation, their distinctness, and the history of Christianity and Judaism itself. Their wealth and prominence in finance also gave unscrupulous rulers a reason to have them targetted.

Came here to say that, as a woman and collector, I fucking love you, /vr/. Best board community by miles and kilometres.

>>1687378
Tits or GTFO

>>1687381
Worksafe board, anon.

>>1687370
Actual SJWs aren't taken seriously. They're too busy moaning about microaggressions on their tumblrs and backbiting each other and other progressives over tiny slights.

4chan's interpretation of what SJWs are includes people who are taken seriously, because as already mentioned, it is so wide as to include any progressive thought.

>>1687381
Bwahahaha. Spit whiskey on my keyboard. Here you go.

>>1687393
I fucking love this game.

>A strong female lead
>Good supporting cast
>Driving around NY at the speed of light
>its literally like the plot of an 80's cop movie with a supernatural twist

Seriously 9/10

>>1687401
Deserted, zombie-animal filled quest through NYC over Christmas. I love it. I also love how Aya ditches her douche BF right at the beginning.

Never actually played II but I picked it up at a flea market a couple weeks ago for $3 and I'm about to start. Same dude kept calling me "little lady" and begged me to buy his copy of Earthbound for $160.

>No, thanks.

>>1686973

To be fair, you can play as Lucca during a short spell.

Lup Salad has the deepest Lore!

>>1687193

>When these people think of equality, they think it means 50%

These people are the kind that thinks equality means a 75/25 split in their favor. They're mostly nutjobs because of it.

>>1687103
The new episodes of cosmos put a hell of a lot of emphasis on how often women's contributions to science were swept under the rug.

>>1687454
You can't just make a statement like that without more information. Tell me more. I am intrigued.

>>1687331
While we're explaining commonplace abreviation, I've heard "SRS" used all the time ever since Might Number 9 threads, but I've never picked up what it stood for.

also, here's jill of the jungle

>>1687457
Uh, why not just watch it? It's not like he's asking you to watch Johnny Test.

>>1687463
JotJ is fun as shit. That "YEAH~" sound effect is forever engrained in my head.

>>1687226
Yeah that's why I think this whole "movement" to get women interested in science is stupid.

You need to be a certain kind of person to even want to study science in the first place. So telling young girls that they should be more interested in science for the sake of some bullshit ideal of "equality" and "fairness", is straight-up doublethink.

>>1687478
The thing is, while it's not anywhere near as bad as it used to be, there's still social pressures that push girls towards "girl things" (and vice-versa for boys), particularly from older generations. I see it all the time with my niece. People just assume they know what she likes and dislikes (or worse, what she SHOULD like and dislike) based solely on her being a girl.

The movement to get women interested in science isn't about shoehorning in women who genuinely aren't interested at all, it's about giving those who would be interested but are deterred - consciously or unconsciously - a shot at it.

>>1687415
He sold you parasite eve for 3 dollars but wanted 160 for earthbound?

Parasite Eve is easily 15-30 bucks online.

Oh well, its enjoyable. Make sure to understand the BP stystem (IE: Don't be like me and dump all your BP into inventory and ATB and hit a fucking wall at the 2nd to last boss being basically un able to damage it)

>>1687474
Because I have no idea what s/he's talking about, Anon. I need an ep number or air date.

>>1686816
>MC was female

A man was turned into a female. Half way into the game, he's turned back into a dude.

>>1687463
SRS = Shit Reddit Says

>>1687376
>due to their self-segregation, their distinctness
So you're basically admitting that they brought it on themselves.
But Jews firmly insist that it's everyone else's fault.

>>1687463
Gods, yes! Jill of the Jungle, fuck what the SJW's say, Vidya had "Strong, Female Leads" back during the days of DOS, and JotJ is proof of that. Might not have been the norm, but the definitely existed.

>SRS idiocy - http://imgur.com/G2Eq11w


Incidentally, SRS stands for "Shit Reddit Says". They're Radical Feminists from Reddit. Let me see if I can find an old post to illustrate, as I think letting you see the stupidity in all it's original glory would speak more volumes than I could on the faggotry that goes on in that board/sub.

Personally, I prefer pic related, as a standard for treating my fellow humans, regardless of male/female, unless they give me valid reason otherwise. Seems to work for me.

After some looking around, it looks as if the current atmosphere may have changed from what it was back in the day. Used to be they were the types to post the above pic. Now, it seems they're more of a "Idiocy Display" akin to /r/SubredditDrama. Of course, I could be wrong...

>>1687554
>So you're basically admitting that they brought it on themselves.
Yeah, no. None of those factors justify the countless pogroms and abuses heaped upon the Jews. gb2sf

>>1687565
Self-segregation does justify it, though.

Humans are a social species, and as such human society expects a certain level of conformity. The nail that stands out gets hammered down. If you act like an alien, you're asking to be treated like one.

>>1687646
Sorry, not buying it. Nothing could justify the eugenics-styled society the Reich was trying to build of ubermensch, nor the horrors visited on the variety of victims the Reich targeted in their march to domination. Law is addressed to redress from individuals, not from entire ethnicities.

Does anything Infinity Engine not named Planescape Torment count?