/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1660250
PD is incredibly overrated.

>>1660256
Pray tell me why you think so.

>>1660256
Fuck you.

>>1660256
Go play your Youtube whore approved Nintendo games kiddo

>>1660264
>>1660260
Everybody has their right to have their own opinion, don't act like bunch of dicks.

>>1660264

>shitpposter tried to derail thread
>reply to him by starting console/brand war faggotry

Yah, nah.

I love Panzer Dragoon, but I haven't played Saga/Azel yet, I know it's great and all, I will one day.

Zwei is one of my all time favorite games.

>>1660275
Still saying a game like PDS that sold like 10 copies and almost nobody played is overrated is quite a stretch.

>>1660250

Enough to pay $250 for PDS. Couldn't even estimate the hours I've sunk into it and Zwei.

>>1660256

If anything I'd say it's underrated by the gaming community at large. It's popular here but it's very easy for 4chan to skew your vision of reality because everyone here is so vocal.

The Japanese version of PD comes with a big ass poster and a leaflet for a manual instead of a proper, traditional manual.

>>1660286
>>1660281
To play devil's advocate here, if it sold like ten copies only, then wouldn't it mean it was shit and sold worth nothing, and only fanboys elevate it to higher status?

>>1660275
Just because you have a right to an opinion doesn't make your opinion not-retarded.

Continuing with Azel's scans.

>>1660294
All opinions are equally as retarded. Their subjective and no opinion goes over another. There's no reason to be a dick about yours or anyone else's, and you could argue against that opinion with properly.

>>1660294
>being this buttblasted over someone's opinion about a fucking videogame
Fanboy detected.

>>1660306
>trolling this hard
Nintendo autist detected
Stay out of our threads if you don't like SEGA

Azel's pretty good name, but Edge? Shit man, that's an awful name even for the 90's.

>>1660291

Why must that be? There's plenty of games that have sold poorly for one reason or another but are generally agreed to be good. Besides, that guy was exaggerating. The games sold modestly but not poorly.

>>1660321
As the thread has shown, opinions are opinions. However, we can base a game's success and popularity, and thus how good it was, based on the sales numbers when compared to print and possible userbase.

All of these are better names than Edge.

Dragons. Did Möbius ever work on PD, or was Sega just inspired by Arzach?

>>1660328

There isn't much on the Saturn that sold well because the console itself didn't sell well. The Saturn must be shit too.

>>1660339

I believe he did the cover of PD1 but beyond that I'm not sure.

>>1660349
>The Saturn must be shit too.
It kinda is, to be honest. Hard to code for, didn't support transparency effects, archaic architecture for its time and mostly had arcade ports and very little original, new games that pulled people in.

>>1660358
Then why the fuck are you in this thread, you fucking idiot?

Another good thread ruined by idiotic Nintendo fans. They should just change the name of /vr/ to "Old Nintendo Games", because trying to talk about anything else here is fruitless.

>>1660275
>stealing moebius art like that

I wish more Japanese did it.
It works wonders when they do, just like with Dragon's Heaven.

>>1660382
It's just one asshole bro. Ignore him.

>>1660380
You're misunderstanding here, mate. I do personally like Saturn, but I am not blind to its faults.

>>1660382
I'd argue that the thread went to shit the moment people started being huge dickwads towards an opinion they disagreed with.

>>1660250

Is Azel Panzer Dragoon Saga japanese version or am I sorely mistaken?

>>1660394
No, Panzer Dragoon Saga is western version of Azel.

>>1660395

But it's the same game right?
Also, how much do I lose( in the story) by playing Saga without playing the others?

Because the art-style, designs, dragons etc.etc. are really fascinating, but I don't really like on-rail shooting games that much, let alone enough to finish one.

>>1660398
Panzer Dragoon is so episodic that you won't lose any story, the little there is. None of them really tie to each other in any way.

>>1660281
>>1660291
>>1660321
>>1660328
You're thinking of Earthbound. Panzer Dragoon Saga sold out everywhere immediately. The problem was that SoJ only pressed 10,000 copies of it. It could have sold ten times as many.

>>1660250
Never played it, but I am interested in trying it.
The PC port any good?

>>1660398
>Also, how much do I lose( in the story) by playing Saga without playing the others?

Not much. Just read their Wiki articles and you'll be OK, or better yet watch a playthrough for each. Won't take more than hour or two.

>>1660408
>The PC port any good?

There's a Panzer Dragoon Saga port for pc?

>>1660407
> The problem was that SoJ only pressed 10,000 copies of it.
That's also the reason why it sold so little. There's more Japanese versions out there than Western prints.

>>1660417
Yes. It's also on PS2 and PC port is in Orta as an extra.

>>1660405
>>1660413

Thanks.

>>1660420
>Yes. It's also on PS2 and PC port is in Orta as an extra.
Oh you mean the original Panzer Dragoon, not Saga

>>1660432
And there's no Azel/Saga on PC. Only Panzer Dragoon.

>>1660407
According to Wikipedia, there are about 30,000 copies.

>Only 6,000 copies were first produced for the game’s American launch in May 1998, and many retailers failed to meet pre-order demand. Sega released a second batch of 12,000 copies the following June and then another 12,000 in the late summer.

>>1660471
That's Limited Edition numbers right there. Seems like they didn't have much faith in the game or in the system at all.

>>1660256
> awesome music, solid gameplay, great atmosphere

I've never heard anybody say it's the best series of all time or anything, but they're definitely good games.

>>1660476
Then again, once you've played Orta, there's no reason going back to earlier games. There's also very little to no replay value.

>>1660481
I played orta and didn't really care for it. Then again, I grew up with a saturn so I'm very nostalgic for the earlier games.

>>1660472
The console was reaching the end of it's life. Still, I find it funny that the game was advertized on the back of the manuals for Burning Rangers and Shining Force III and possibly other games, yet they printed so few copies.

>>1660382

You're just using Nintendo as the boogeyman, dude.
I love Nintendo games and also Sega games, and Panzer Dragoon is one of my favorite game series.

Just ignore shitposters, and if someone has a different opinion than yours, either discuss like an adult, civil person, or just shrug it off.

>>1660256
I agree; only because like most Saturn games it's become so highly praised by a small audience, and so few people have gotten to experience it, that absolutely nothing can live up to it. It's still a great series.

My biggest problem with the PD franchise is that is came too late for the 2D era, and too early for the 3D era. None of the games managed to replicate the beautiful style of the artwork all that well except Orta, which still looks good. A proper 2D spritework PD game on a 16 or 32 bit system could've looked gorgeous (though perhaps 2D wouldn't have captured the immersion of the game as well.)

>>1660549

Have you played the Sega Ages version of PD1? It's nothing spectacular, but it has updated graphics. Personally I don't mind the Saturn games though, I think they did a good job with that they had.

>>1660486
The console was reaching the end of its life IN USA. SoJ just wanted SoA to fail and for the Japanese market to be the primary one even if the only way to do it was to sabotage the western library.

>>1660640
Even if that's conjecture (hard to say, with interviews on both sides making odd claims), Sega was definitely in a foot-shooting contest with itself.

>>1660640
>>1660775
What the hell? I knew they had bad communication but that's just stupid.

>>1660798
There were a bunch and I mean A BUNCH of games that should have been localized for Western release but weren't and the evidence of PDS and SF3 seeing drastically insufficient press runs makes it clear that it wasn't an issue of translation. It was spite over Tom Kalinske's SoA doing so amazingly well with the Genesis. SoJ wouldn't develop for 32x either, even though Sega 32X + Sega CD was a fully realized next gen platform first to market.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F96yVYxNWPI

We had a whole thread about it, it might still be around.

>>1660819
Dude, you are delusional. The 32X was a piece of shit.

>>1660831
Not really, the games just didn't push it to its full potential. Watch the video. Play DarXide. Imagine what could have been.

>>1660819
CD32x was hell to develop for and most companies just didn't care for it as a platform. Plus the hardware was very unreliable.

If they released the Neptune as planned, and SoJ didn't decide kill everything but the Saturn, then it might have been different.

If Kalinske was left alone, he could've made the Saturn a success and at least keep the Genny alive for enough years to outsell the SNES.

>>1660334
>Klaymen
Did Team Andromeda play The Neverhood on PSX when it came out in Japan?

>>1660339
All Moebius did was the first game's cover. They took influence from his work, of course.

I really like Panzer Dragoon Saga. It's not very challenging and I think the soundtrack's got more diminishing returns that others would argue (still love it), but the variety of areas you explore, meaningful side-quests you take, and generally great story progression all work well with what's a pretty good combat system. I'd certainly take this over most other JRPGs, anyway. Art design is amazing as always!

Does anyone know if Panzer Dragoon Azel is compatible with a Panzer Dragoon RPG save? I've been playing with a NTSC version, and for reasons I can't play it anymore, so now I need a legal copy that doesn't cost me the bank.

>>1661561
No, it's not.

>>1661568

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Thanks anyway I guess

>>1661574
Also, Japan uses NTSC. You would be more accurate to call them US, JP and EU versions.

>>1661576

Ah I see, I was under the impression they were NTSJ for some reason

>>1661583
That would be more accurate, but simply saying NTSC is enough to give me an OCD, like when people don't know that US NES games are Region A and European NES games are Region B.

>>1661585

Well time to learn Japanese in any case. I'm not paying $350 for a US/EU copy. My modchip died and I'm through with bothering with em'.