/vr/ - Retro Games

Reposting from last thread. I have the choice between a gateway model number u7003-01 and a samsung model number csn5987. What should i choose? Gateway is a little bigger.

Sorry to post a problem so early in the new thread but I have one with my PVM. Since I've had it it's been a dream until today when I hooked up my newly modded PAL SNES via RGB. In 60hz the image is slightly shaky but in 50 it's stable as anything. Weird part is that now my Wii has followed suit despite being connected via component and unmodded (besides the homebrew channel). I have no idea what could be wrong.

Wolfenstein 3D on my Dell e771p.

Is it me or 4chan embedded file detection refuse any picture with EXIF data?

>>1654641
>Is it me or 4chan embedded file detection refuse any picture with EXIF data?
That would effectively break /p/ so I assume not, although it's also given me strange false positives in the past.

>>1654641
Dude, I strip the exif out of everything that I upload, so I wouldn't know

>>1655293
>>1655290

Well, the only way to let me upload my photos on 4chan is to strip the EXIF data, so I think it has something to do with this.

The top right corner of my TV is "caved in" and sort of pushes the image in a little bit. It's not noticeable when I watch TV but when I use my PS2 it is very clearly distorted. Sometimes it's just curved in the corner, but most times it becomes one long, thin curve along the right side that slightly distorts the picture.

Is this lightning damage?

>>1655221
muh dick

>>1655476
That's an emulator running on a CRT monitor.

Can you live with that?

>>1655492
Negative.

Is there a CRT Anonymous group I can attend?

Finally found an HD set for relatively cheap($30).

27HS420

From the looks of it, I may need to get a degaussing wand to clear a bit of green discoloration in the top corner. Still happy with the purchase either way.

>>1656124
Nice choice. Manageable size, 4:3.

>>1656137
>Manageable size
That's the big reason I jumped on it. I can actually move this thing on my own, unlike the 32'' SD model that is currently blocking the stairs to the attic.
Need to figure out where the hell I'm going to move everything though; I wonder how difficult it would be to find wire shelving large enough to reach over the top of it and the PVM.

Found this little guy in my Grandma's basement last week. I've been playing my NES on it, and I've gotta say the picture on this is more satisfying than any other CRT I've used, including a 32" Sylvania SRT2232X we have. Anyone else prefer really old UHF/VHF tubes like this?

>>1656149
I hear you. 27" 4:3 is the most I'm comfortable lifting by myself.

>>1656165
I've lost 3 of these to failure and old age. If it still works well, consider yourself lucky and take good care of it.

>>1656165
Well, given this is the kind of tube most people would have been playing with back in the early to mid 80's, it stands to reason it would go hand in hand with the NES.

>>1656167
I've lifted larger sets by myself, but with how damn heavy these FD/WEGA sets are, it makes any larger too unwieldy.


>480p over HDMI from PS3 is jumpy/jittery
>1080i over the same is crisp and as steady as you could ask for
Weird. I wonder how 6th gen component inputs do over 480p.

>>1656181
Me too, with straps. I'm a small guy so the grip around the front is the deal.

I did a 30" 16:9 without straps but I don't want to do that again.

>>1656124
>HD
eep

>>1656252
I've got a PVM for my SD needs. This is for progressive scan enabled signals.
Only thing that would make it better is it having a Super Fine Pitch set rather than Hi-Scan.

Going to need to get into the service menu very soon. As expected, it pushes red like crazy.

>>1656287
Set color axis to monitor instead of default. Default does that for the sake of flesh tones.

>>1656304
If you're talking about the video mode, it's already set to pro.

>>1656317
No, I was talking about color axis hoping your HS420 had an OSD similar to the XS955 (SFP).

>>1656326
Heh, I have an XS955 as well. I too set the axis to monitor because goddamn the reds were way too red otherwise.

Do you have any experience with the service mode on it? Mine looks pretty damn fuzzy, at least in 480p mode. Like the focus is out of whack or something.

>>1656330
I've never touched the service mode on mine, nope. But I've also not noticed any softness in 480p.

>>1656326
Nope.
Video Mode-Pro
Picture-Max
Brightness-1/3
Color-1/3
Hue-1/2
Sharpness-Max
Color Temp-Cool(own preference)
VM-Off
and DRC Mode(which seems to be grayed out in HDMI) which is set to Cinemotion; Not sure if that's actually active or not.

>>1656383
Did you do that based on a calibration tool like the 240p test suite? I'm sure you already know what people will say about max sharpness and cool color temp.

>>1656389
I only thing I've done to it is set it into pro and lower the color setting for now as a temporary solution to the red push(it was a bit above 1/2 before). Those will likely all get changed around by the time I get it all setup. Except cool color temp, I like my blues extra blue; 6500k just looks off to me, even once my eyes are used to it.

240p Suite and the like will have to wait until tomorrow; It's 2:30am here, and last time I went about fiddling around in a service menu late at night, it was 8am by the time I was done. Just watching a bit of Top Gear via the PS3 at the moment.

>>1656406
>I like my blues extra blue
Well preference is preference but cool color temp makes *everything* extra blue. Color temp refers to white point, which affects everything.

>max sharpness
You're not adding sharpness, you're un-hiding imperfections.

>max contrast
You're killing it. If it lasts long enough to sell, please do the honest thing and let the next prospective owner know that you were doing this. If you don't want to be that honest, tell them it was a floor model at a big box store. That should be enough of a hint about how much it was abused (though presumably you'll be using it longer than a store would have had it on display).

>>1656428
>Those will likely all get changed around by the time I get it all setup.
Like I said, I'm going to be changing all of those setting around tomorrow. I have no intention to leave it in it's current condition.

I haven't even had the thing home for more than 5 hours, or hooked up for more than 3.

>>1656436
Not good enough, lower contrast immediately.

:^(

>>1656443
No

:^)

>Having to remove exif from all photos in order to post them
Damn it moot

>>1656149
>>1656167
You lads really need to drop and give me some push-ups.

>>1656512
Oh, sure, the assholes who can turn there arms into giant fucking hammers are going to talk shit.

It isn't about the weight, rather arm span; Anything much larger becomes too difficult to get a good hold on.

That said my fat ass can't do pushups for shit, so that might not be a bad idea.

>>1656469
That just looks horrible.
Dem whites are smearing like motherfuckers.

>>1656573
>quick photo of an unadjusted set fresh from a thrift store
Are you really all that surprised?

So again, what are Schneider CRT TV's like? Reliability, quality? Model is STV 5186.

>>1653830

Anyone have an idea?

>>1656590

Quality wise, I have a schneider CRT monitor for my Amstrad CPC, and it's pretty meh even though it's an RGB monitor.

Does using an old receiver (those with only composite/S-video and maybe component out) introduce input lag when used with a CRT TV?

>>1656975
If the receiver superimposes its own OSD, probably. If it claims deinterlacing or upscaling features, definitely.

Lip sync issues have existed with surround receivers since before the move to HDMI and digital. Anyone who cares about latency issues should avoid using them for video switching and use them only for audio (and pray that it doesn't lag behind the image).

Best solution to merging two stereo out into a single mono out? I'm sure this mixer ( http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-MICROMIX-MX400-4-Channel-Mixer/dp/B000KGYAYQ ) can do the job but I want to see if there is a less expensive solution. I know you cant just use a Y cable or something.

>>1657634
looks like the best deal to me, without doing an extensive search

>I know you cant just use a Y cable or something.
bingo. technically it works, but it's a hack that is potentially harmful to your electronics

>>1657634
>>1657683
There's no proof that doing that can ruin electronics. Especially something with such a low voltage. You guys think electronics are too delicate. I've been using 2 RCA to 1 RCA for mono only things for 20+ years and not one thing has fucked up because of it.

I'm considering getting a fat PS3 so I can softmod it to put retroarch on it and also play PS1 games via the official emulator as well as PS2 games natively.

Does retroarch have 240p settings for running the games authentically on a CRT? How about the official PS1 emulator?

>>1657857
>I'm considering getting a fat PS3 so I can softmod it
Is there an easy way to softmod the fat PS3s?

>>1657970

You can pretty easily softmod any PS3 as long as the firmware is below a certain version. If a fat PS3 is above that version it can be downgraded, slim PS3s cannot.

>>1657980
>If a fat PS3 is above that version it can be downgraded
Do you need to solder some chip or use a hardware flasher or something like that?

>>1657992

I believe you do need a hardware flasher but it's much easier and less risky than the complex soldering required for downgrading a slim.

Honestly it's better to just get one that's at or below the required FW for softmodding.

>>1657857
no, because retroarch a shit. the dev(s) don't support CRT use

Would buying an older CRT TV be good for playing GameCube games? Resident Evil is to dark on my newer LCD LED TV

I've heard of TVs that have built in deinterlacers for converting 480i to 240p. I'm pretty happy with my current TV so I wanted to know if it's possible to buy an external device that could take a 480i signal and output 240p.

So guys, does anyone knows if the Panasonic TAU's are aperture grill or shadow mask?

>>1658237
Here's some pics

>>1658237
>>1658515

>>1658021

It supports custom resolution modes, which is all you need.

>>1658515
>>1658525
Most definitely shadow mask.

>>1658543

Does the PS3 version have this though?

>>1658561
Oh, no probably not. PS3 expects HDTV so it just upscales

I have a 21" WEGA with S-video and component but i want to be able to get RGB from my sega and PS1, The SCART to YUV converters cost $70 here in Australia and a 14" PVM will cost $120+ due to freight, Will there be that much of a quality difference between the YUV converter and a PVM to make it worth the extra money?

>>1658717

I hear the component to RGB transcoder is pretty lossless, you just have to open them up and mess around with the potentiometers to get the colors exactly right.

If you're in Australia shouldn't the TVs have SCART anyway?

>>1658916
Actually Australia was almost as fucked as we are in the US. Only a few TVs have SCART.

Anyone heard of the Sony FD Trinitron KV-27FS100? Saw it on craigslist for a really low price.

>>1659698
Yes, it's a very nice tv for retro vidya.

>>1659698
I have that very same TV. It's great.

>>1660621
Is the Sony PVM 1271Q good?

Is the Sony PVM 1271Q good?

I figure this is the best thread to ask in. Are there any go to websites for ordering video cables for consoles? I was told racketboy.com was good quality at a good price, but they seem to have shut down their store. I'm specifically looking for an old style Nintendo s-video cable.

So I couldn't pass up a deal on a Sony Trinitron KV-20FS100...

What would be the easiest solution for connecting an official Nintendo S-Video cable since it lacks a S-Video port but has component?

>>1661171
S-video cables are hard to find since the originals didnt sell well.

Most 3rd party ones are wired wrong since they have both composite and S-video sharing a pin, you can either buy the cheap chinese cables and rewire them yourself or just look for S-video only cables without the yellow plug.

There is an ebay seller from Japan who has them for about $12, Just have a search.

Also, if you are using it with a PAL console, many cables are missing the capacitors and resistors that are needed to get the right brightness as they are meant for NTSC consoles. I have had to modify every cable I have bought because of this.

>>1661215
S-video to composite adapter.

>>1661215
Either get a composite to S-video adapter plug, or modify the TV to have S-video.

Modifying it will depend on whether your TV's Jungle IC chip has seperate luma/chroma output pins.

It is very dangerous to work on CRT's so I wouldnt suggest it.

pic related is the diagram of my TV, I planned on wiring it for RGB scart.

>>1661251
I already have the official S-Video cable. I ordered one from Japan last week. Very crisp and vibrant picture on my 27" Sanyo. Definitely a step up from composite. I'm just seeing if it's possible to use the cable on this TV and keep the better picture.

>>1661258
That would just lose quality right? Is there something like that for S-Video to Component?

>>1661259
Yeah, I don't plan on modifying it. Pretty neat though. Good luck.

I bought a HDD recorder because it has a SCART RGB input and component output, but it doesnt look like it sends or records RGB quality through to the output.

Pic related is apparently RGB quality.

>>1661297
Super Nintendo and N64 don't support component. GCN supports component, but it's a weird signal that can't be duplicated with other wires.

>>1661304
Oh, and it doesnt accept 60hz/NTSC signals so I can't record my famicom/SFC or any of my burnt PS1 games.

I want to buy a CRT TV for my SNES, N64, Saturn and Dreamcast gaming but I'm completely new to all of this.

Is there a sticky I can read to introduce me to all of this?

>>1661674
Buy a Trinitron with scart. Try to see it in action before you buy it. That's all you need to do.

>>1661686
Are you sure? I live in the UK mind you.

>>1661686
Also, can I connect my PC to a CRT TV for vidya emulation or does that look horrible?

>>1661304
You got fooled.
Also shitty compression.
My solution consists of an homemade RGB to component converter and a USB capture device with component input.

>>1661307
SNES can output RGB which can be converted to component, N64 could be modded to output RGB.
GC has a digital video output which can be converted to RGB or component, the PAL GC outputs analogue RGB but no S-Video.

>>1661689
Same here. I have a Trinitron KV-21m3a and I'm happy playing Saturn and Dreamcast games on it via RGB scart.

>>1661691
I've never tried, but I imagine you'd just need to set your game resolution to standard definition and buy a DVI-D to scart connector. Maybe someone else can answer.

>>1661698
I'm looking through the ebay listings and some Sony PVMs cost 300GBP while others only cost 30GBP. Why is there such a massive price fluctuation? Is it just because of the condition of the TV or is there something else going on here, with regards to the technology? I notice the serial numbers coming after the "PVM" terms are different. Is there a list of these numbers showing pros/cons somewhere? I just want to learn.

>>1661696
Oh hey, an actually high quality N64 screen capture, though it looks slightly upscaled to PAL resolution. Mind taking a few of different games, perhaps on a different thread? I'd like to see how they compare to this accurate N64 video plugin.

>>1661791
I don't have much games right now:
Super Mario 64
Zelda OoT
Mario Kart 64
Super Smash Bros
Chameleon Twist
Kirby 64
Yoshi's Story
Gex 64

>looks slightly upscaled
Did you ever had the thought that the polygons can be rendered at a higher resolution.
Sure, making a static image bigger can be referred as upscaling but why doing same on polygons when it's feasible to render them at a higher resolution.

>Mind taking a few of different games, perhaps on a different thread?
If you want, then make a thread. But don't expect that i'm far in the games. I actually own the N64 for about a 1 year.

>>1661307

GC component cables are also stupidly expensive for some reason, I don't know why.

>>1661791

What do you mean by PAL resolution? Are PAL versions better?

Just picked up a monstrous Sony Trinitron KV-32FS12.

So far I'm enjoying it, but as far as I've read, knock off SNES/N64 S-Video cables are garbage? Where can I find authentic ones that arent trash?

>>1662241
Apparently it's usually only the s-video cables that also have a composite output on them that you need to worry about since usually they fuck those up by sending the composite down both pin pairs of the s-video cable. If you get one with just the s-video and audio plugs you should be fine even if it's third party.

Well some more local pro video equipment showed up on eBay and for some reason the PVM-20M4U went for $124.84 with 7 bids but I was able to snag this 14M2U for only its starting price of $9.99 I wonder why.

>>1661941
Because they made the Gamecube's cheaper by not putting a digital encoder in them. The encoder is actually in the cable, for the relatively few people who were going to want progressive scan at the time. Same for the VGA cable.

>>1661948
They are worse, look it up.

>>1662389

People want big screens, I guess.

>>1661941
It's an active cable that was not mass-produced by Nintendo, with an inline proprietary DAC that was also not mass-produced by the chip manufacturer. Nobody has cloned the cable using alternative DACs; the only hacked cables I've ever heard of were made by getting a hold of a few of these specific chips.

>>1662241
Nintendo, Monster, and Hori are known to be good. There's a guy selling some proper third-party ones from Japan on ebay as well. There are probably others, but it's harder to track them.

>>1662348
You're completely right about the likelihood that non-combo cables are probably safe, but in practice it is just as easy to make a bad S-video-only cable that only really does composite.

>>1662394
It was a smart move - move the cost of the DAC to the cable, so only the people who needed its functionality would pay for it. Also, they monopolized the market on the cable, leading to 100% control over quality (no whining about "bad cables" like is common with old S-video cables).

>VGA cable
Nintendo never made one. They did make a D-tanshi cable, though.

>>1662454
>They did make a D-tanshi cable, though.
Which is something you should keep an eye on if you're in the market for a GC component cable, since it's the same DAC and signal output, just a different connector. You have a slightly better chance of finding a DOL-009 at a reasonable price than you do a DOL-010.

>>1662454
It's shit that they didnt at least include RGB in America too. I know why they didn't but damn it would be so much easier if they did for us.

Hey guys. I just picked this guy up from a local thrift store. I love the picture and there's a lot of fun options with this thing.
The weird thing is I can't find much information about it online. So if you guys know anything I'd be grateful.

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Hey guys. I just picked this guy up from a local thrift store. I love the picture and there's a lot of fun options with this thing.
The weird thing is I can't find much information about it online. So if you guys know anything I'd be grateful.

Hey guys. I just picked this guy up from a local thrift store. I love the picture and there's a lot of fun options with this thing.
The weird thing is I can't find much information about it online. So if you guys know anything I'd be grateful.

>>1663191
Damn it I can't get the picture to upload the right way up. I've tried from my phone and my computer.

>>1663193
Here's the front panel.
I have a slight problem where I can't get the panel to stay in. I'm not sure what the connector/clasp/thing is called so I can't figure out how to fix it.

>>1663201
Here's a closeup of the piece I'm talking about. It won't click into place. Anyone have any idea what it's called?

Picking up a Sharp CRT tomorrow for $30. Tested it on Friday with my Dreamcast and it looked fucking awesome. Since it only has a single set of RCA/S-Video, I am going to buy a switch box so I can hook up my retros at the same time.

I'll be posting pictures once I have everything set up.

>>1662389
That's an awesome grab, hope the shipping wasn't too expensive.

>>1663274
Sweet, good luck.with the pick up. Looking forward to the pics.

Hello, are Belinea CRT monitors any good? I've got one 17" from 2001 or 2002 in excellent condition and I'm wondering whether it's worth using it.

>>1663205
I'd call it a spring-loaded clasp. Then I'd remove it and replace it with an adhesive magnet and a strip of steel.

>>1663293
I've magically deduced that shipping was $47.01.

>>1664193

Huh, shipping price is alway a pain when it comes to CRT.

>>1663325
Sorry I took too long. Got a temporary setup while I make space for a more permanent area and got caught up playing stuff.

Pictures coming in a moment.

>>1666348
The temporary setup

>>1666416
The cat is judging your lack of focus.

>>1666416
Dreamcast Boot logo

>>1666419
I clicked the buttons before the focus set in, srry.

>>1666420
OUTTRIGGER!

>>1666424
Are those scanlines?

>>1666420
>>1666424
>>1666430

Sorry anon, but your flash is wasting your photos.

>>1666430
Try taking a photo of it without flash on.

>>1666430
I swear, the game doesn't look like this.

>>1666434
I'll take new ones once I move the CRT to the permanent space.

Any of you able to tell me more about a Viewsonic P220fb?

It seems to have RGB but I don't know much else about it

>>1666602
It's a CRT PC monitor. If you want it for emulation, it should be great. If you want it for consoles, it's useless.

>>1666602
Won't sync down to 15khz for older systems and the like, but looks like it could be a pretty nice PC monitor.

>>1666612
>>1666613
Ehh alright

If I'm comparing two CRT sets using composite output (SNES or Genesis, because they're all I have on hand), and I choose the set with a better picture using composite, will that set definitely and necessarily also have a better picture when using component video? That is to say, does picture quality over composite (or s-video for that matter) always correlate with picture quality over component on any given CRT set? I plan on mostly using component video sources, but at the moment only have composite to test with.

>>1666987
It should give you a general-enough idea in most cases, yes.

What's a good place to look up specs and possibly get manuals for TVs made before 2000?

>>1662389
Is a 8-10inch PVM still good because I don't mind buying one that small to put in my basement and what not as long as it has RGB outputs as well.

>>1657980
some slim PS3s including mine can be flashed back to a lower firmware version if it came on or below 3.55

>>1658021
i'm pretty sure they do support CRT use, i remember Shitpusher mentioning it in a blog post

>>1667138
TBH, since it's such a crap shoot depending on manufacturer and model, I rely solely on web searches every time, plus the manufacturer's website if they're still around. If not (as general practice, not just for CRTs), I try to look up whether the company was acquired and then look at the support section of their website for legacy/archived products under the old brand/model number.

>>1653384
Are Goodmans CRT TV's any good? I just agreed to buy a 21 inch one from a local guy on Gumtree cause it was only £10 and the others were going for like £50. I'm not sure what the model number is though. Anyone else got a Goodmans?

>>1667757

a) inputs it has are very important. If you're in the UK it might have RGB SCART, but you want at least S-video. Do not buy it until you test it.

b) Test it before you buy. I'd recommend using the 240p Test Suite (which requires either a Mega Drive with a flash cart, a Wii with an MD emulator or a Dreamcast capable of playing games burned to CDs which should be all of them), or you could use a movie released on DVD that has the THX optimizer on it. If you don't have any of those you can just play any old game and see if it looks alright to you.

Just got a TV with component inputs. What's the best scart to component converter to use with the Genesis and Saturn?

>>1668497
The CSY-2100 is excellent and you can get them for around $60. The only downside is that they don't have a passthrough for sound, so you either have to have breakout cables (pic related) or mod it with jacks to pass sound.

>>1668548
damn, forgot my pic

took this picture last night.

27 inch Sony Trinitron
PS2 connected via Component displaying Ps1 game "Arc the Lad"

i noticed the game really likes dots

>>1669178
I was thinking about getting a trinitron. How is it?

>>1669416
the one i got from goodwill is quite nice but damn are they heavy. (27 inch will be around 145 pounds)

the model i have has great and powerful stereo sound but at the same time i hear it is one of the models known for having bad sound.

if you get a trinitron make sure it has at least s-video input but preferably component too.

pic related: a component input on the same trinitron outputted from a wii showing how well it handles color.

>>1669436
nice I think i'll get one. how much was it?

>>1669445
$30 i think

>>1664193
>>1664193
>>1663293
Like I said it's local I'll be picking it up so no shipping and happily the seller didn't tax me any BS "pickup fee" either. He DID open an unpaid item case on me like 24 hours after he invoiced me the $9.99 for some reason so we'll see what he looks like when I go get it next week (on vacation in Virginia Beach this week)

I need your help /vr/
I thought I had a good retro TV but just realized it's an HD CRT.

I want to use this TV for PS2, PS1, n64, and super nintendo games.

I'm looking at craigslist and want to know which ones are good. Thanks.

This is the first one.

>>1669656
This is the 2nd

>>1669656
3rd

>>1669656
4th for kicks.
It's 37 inches...

>>1669656
Another note, the HD TV i have is a kv-27HS420.

Same as >>1656124

>>1669656
5th i guess

>>1669659

That one is a Panasonic Tau. Tau was Panasonic's high-end line of TVs, meaning that it's likely better than those other ones.

In a similar situation as this anon>>1669656
It's a Sony Trinitron and is 27".There's no mention of what model it is. Wondering if this is good for retro gaming. Will upload one more pic

>>1669778
2nd pic

>>1669781
Assuming the tube itself looks good, it'd be fine for retro.

CRT TVs suck. My Nintendo 64 games are 1080p on my HDTV and only 480i on my CRT TV that I trashed years ago.

CRT TVs suck. My 3D games are 1080p on my HDTV and only 480i on my CRT TV that I trashed years ago.

>>1669832
alright. well the guy is selling it for $10 and they're pretty close so I might just go pick it up later today.

This isn't /vr/ but are CRTs good for PS2 and Gamecube?

>>1669847
>>1669837
Sorry I posted that twice. I thought I canceled the post, but apparently I didn't. I wanted to revise the original post.

>>1669860
CRTs are good for everything until the current generation, and practically necessary for everything before the 7th generation, including PS2 and Gamecube.

>>1669871
Ok then. Thanks

>>1669871
>until the current generation
Just in case you meant to exclude current gen, CRT HDTVs and hi-res monitors that have little or no overscan and have digital inputs are also still great for use with the current gen.

>>1669837

Ha ha what. No way they're 1080p, they're being upscaled to 1080 by a scaler that mangles 240p signals since it thinks they're 480i.

>>1669981
No, I did mean until the current generation. I have a 20L5 that is beautiful for everything up to 1080i, but there comes a point where I'd much rather just use my 1080p 27" PC monitor for my newer consoles. Unless you have an absurdly large tube, consoles are just not CRT friendly anymore. They haven't been since the 360 and PS3. I remember when Dead Rising came out and you could barely fucking read the text unless you were playing on an HDTV.

That being said, it still bugs the shit out of me when I play games on this monitor and they're blatantly upscaled to 1080p from 720p and there's no way to actually play the game without scaling. There's just no way to win with consoles anymore.

got a CTX 1569UA for around 15 years now, but it's got that green tint that CRT's get before failing completely (though it does go away if you slap the monitor in the right spot)

what do?

>>1670151
My bad, I didn't mean to imply all HDTVs and monitors. I have 4 CRT HDTVs that dwarf the 20L5, 3 with HDMI, and I don't blame you for not wanting to play current gen on something that tiny.

>>1669660
I vote for this one. Try to get something that has Component and Svideo inputs both for all the stages of your retro experience.

>>1670151

CRT monitors work fine enough for modern PC games in high resolution mode, I don't see how that wouldn't apply to console games.

>tfw got free 40 inch CRT
Damn that bitch was heavy.

What can people tell me about this Zenith TV?

I snagged a pair of Commodore 1702's to build my first little dedicated retro rig.

Own them half out of nostalgia (my first personal monitor) and also to own a CRT for gaming. One of them had much better colour than the other. I am also surprised as to just how loud these things can get.

Any opinions or experiences with them?

>>1670358

Nope, the only Commodore monitor I have is a C=1085s

>>1670358
Commdore CRT's are solid monitors, though I have to admit that the Sony PVM's I have are definitely better. Heads up, though, the RGB for the Commodore 1080 and 1084 monitors don't accept composite video as sync.

Also sucks that Commodore monitors almost always have broken chin panels. Those things are stupid fragile.

>>1656648
Rumage through the tv's menu and select ntsc output. 50hz is the pal standard while ntsc is 60hz. You might of accidently set the tv to output in pal (50hz) by default.

I intend to emulate retro vidya off of my PC and play them on a CRT TV.

Is this doable?
Assuming it's doable:
-What CRTs are recommended?
-Which one of the Sony PVMs (I ask due to the severe fluctuations in price) are good, if any?
-Are certain video cards recommended?
-Are there other extraneous pieces of kit that are recommended?

I really wish there was some kind of FAQ for these threads

>>1671512
why not a CRT monitor?

>>1671607

Seconded, use a CRT monitor and scanline filters, if you're into that sort of thing.

>>1671512
You can use a 15khz RGB video monitor like a PVM or an arcade monitor to do it if you want to get the realest display. You'll want an ATI video card compatible with CRT_Emudriver then a VGA-to-whatever standard cable - 4BNC for a PVM or other American pro video monitors, JAMMA for an arcade monitor (something like a JPAC) or SCART for a European TV. You could also use SCART on a US TV with a "SCART-to-YUV" transcoder.

Just remember that none of these methods will work without a hacked video driver like CRT_Emudriver (ATI only) or Soft15khz (More compatibility, fewer modes)

>>1671607
I also intend to play SNES games off of an actual SNES since the SNES isn't emulated well on neither the PC nor the PSP. I was just hoping that maybe I could get a CRT TV that I could use for both emulation and actual gaming.

>>1671647
So ATI cards are actually being recommended for once? Damn.
Also, are Sony PVMs available to UK residents?

>>1671664

>Also, are Sony PVMs available to UK residents?

Unless you're living in a third-world country, some Studios must have used them at one point.

>>1671669
I see. So Sony PVMs are available in the UK but ultimately, they're still american devices and therefore require american connectors, correct?

>>1671670

Nope, Sony isn't American. Most of the time, it uses has the same inputs as every PVMs worldwide: Composite, Y/V and RGB/Component through BNC. Sometimes Euro models have a SCART socket.

>>1671678
Oh I see. I'd never heard of a BNC connector is all. A lot of this is new information to me.

S-video vs composite
Composite vs Component
And then, 15khz screens being old meanwhile, HD TVs are released, bragging about 120hz. I'm just trying to absorb all of this.

>>1671664
That's odd that you're having problems with SNES emulation on the PC. SNES emulation has been pretty solid for about a decade as far as playability goes.

>>1671695
My only problem with SNES emulation on the PC is the resolution. I'm either playing in a small window or everything's pixellated as I play full-screen and the seamless blend between the different shades of pixels that the pixel artists worked so laboriously on are now oversized squares.

>>1671701
What about hooking up your videocard to a CTR?

>>1671682

Well some things to clarify:

-RF<Composite<S-Video(Y/V)<Component=RGB

-For everything made before the Xbox360, HDTV is a no no

-Horizontal synch 15kHz=monitor for consoles and some computers; 31kHz=PC, Mac and Workstations (Sun, SGI) monitor

-PAL and NTSC don't apply to RGB. It's a way to encode colors in Composite and S-Video, so it has nothing to do with RGB.

>>1671670
If you're in the UK the best way for you to go is going to be to get a good standard definition TV that has an RGB SCART input then use Soft15khz or CRT_Emudriver to set your video card's output to 15khz and use a VGA+Headphone-to-SCART adapter to plug it into the TV. Something like pic related seems like a more than adequate adapter.

>>1671701
That's pretty much going to be true with all emulation on an LCD screen. Best thing to do is only upscale the video in whole numbers (2x, 3x, 4x, etc) and optionally use filters if that's your thing.

Personally, I hate filters. They never look right to me. If I'm playing on an LCD screen I prefer just having crisp, square pixels.

>>1671704
Yes, I wanted to connect my video card to a CRT but I heard about differences between CRT TVs and CRT monitors and I also heard about something wrong with video cards trying to output 240p. That you need some kind of special thing first. Earlier in the thread, another anon posted about custom drivers called Soft15kHz, CRT_Emudriver but so far, out of all the necessities, nobody's mentioned any special hardware kits- only what connectors you should use and basic software/hardware recommendations.

>>1671705
What's the difference between a refresh rate and a horizontal sync?

>>1671709
Thank you for this. This seems interesting. I suppose that black wire is for the power input?

>>1671724
Yeah, that's why I'd rather not emulate on an LCD screen at all. The PSP is the only exception to this since due to its small display resolution, the light being given off will blend anyway.

>>1671732

Horizontal sync means nothing, sorry.
What i wanted to say is Horizontal refresh rate. There are 2 refresh rate: the vertical and the horizontal one.
The vertical one is the number of time the electron gun travel from the upper part of the screen to the bottom during one second.
The horizontal one is the same thing, but with the electron gun going form one side to the other.

>>1671732
>What's the difference between a refresh rate and a horizontal sync?
refresh rate = vertical sync

CRT screen is scanned line by line, from top to bottom

scan is controlled by the video input signals, HSYNC tells teh CRT when to skip to next line, VSYNC when to restart from the top-left corner of the screen

refresh rate is related to the time between two VSYNC occurences

>>1671772
vertical refresh rate is the number of frames per seconds, which is 1 / time it takes to go from one screen to another

horizontal refresh rate is 1 / time it takes to go from one line to another

>>1671705
>S-Video(Y/V)
S-Video is Y/C

>-For everything made before the Xbox360, HDTV is a no no
HDTV is fine for certain PS2 and Xbox games, but 480p (EDTV/VGA) is generally ideal for almost all GameCube and Xbox games, and some PS2 games. SDTVs are good for the others.

>-Horizontal synch 15kHz=monitor for consoles and some computers; 31kHz=PC, Mac and Workstations (Sun, SGI) monitor
Yes, and this is completely different ffrom refresh rate (120 Hz in anon's HDTV example).

>>1671664
does a PCI TV-tuner cause too much lag or too low quality or something?

>>1672125
A little of both. I have a pretty good one and I prefer actual consoles connected directly to an SDTV by far.

>>1671732
If you're considering a PVM at all, a CRT monitor can be made to look almost exactly like one.

>>1672415
This is what tri-dot 120hz fags actually believe

>>1672415
i heard that PC CRT's can't into dithering, is it true?

>>1671682
>>1672118
"120Hz" TVs are fake. They're really interpolated 60Hz. The only true 120Hz displays are computer monitors.

>>1672597
Not true, however there's no 120Hz content for them to play. They do refresh the image 120 times a second.
Most importantly they get rid of of judder from 24fps movies. The interpolation of the image can be nice if you don't mind the "soap opera effect."

>>1672630
>Most importantly they get rid of of judder from 24fps movies.
I meant to add if you have a bluray player capable of outputting a 24fps signal

>>1672562
I don't even use 120hz anymore, it's ultrawide 480p 60hz with a shader chain that blurs horizontally, adjusts colors, and adds black lines for 240p and 480i, with color intensity maxed out on the monitor to compensate brightness.

>>1672593
You can use a shader to fix dither blending.

https://github.com/libretro/common-shaders/blob/master/crt/tvout-tweaks.cg

>>1672659
It does look pretty legit, I'll give that to you and I appreciate that guys like you are paving the way to keeping retro games looking correct once all the real CRTs give out. I'm sure you'll only be able to get it even more correct with 4x and 8x resolutions and being able to actually simulate shadow masks and aperture grilles.

Screen saver... glorious fish. Must... save... screen....

>>1672562
>tri dot

That CRT is a Diamondtron, an aperture grille display.

>>1672630
Interpolated 60Hz (older models), or interpolated 60Hz + interpolated 24Hz + frame duplicated 24Hz + frame interleaved stereoscopic modes (newer models).

None supports 120Hz input.

>>1672593
There's nothing wrong with visible dithering, as proved by PC-88/PC-98/DOS VGA/Gameboy/Gamegear/etc.

>>1672415
Looks like a BVM

Okay /vr/, just took my first PVM plunge with a PVM-14N5U for $20 at a local PC recycling place. It lacks RBG but has S-video. How well did I do? SNES picture looks bold and crisp.

>>1672415
>a CRT monitor can be made to look almost exactly like one.
yeah nah

>>1672690
i didn't get that, did you say that it can't but it doesn't matter?

>>1656287
Don't HD CRTs still have to convert an incoming analog signal to a digital signal?
If it does, isn't that defeating one of the main purposes of using a CRT for lag-free play?

>>1662389
Probably for the 800 TV lines of resolution, SMPTE-C phosphors, and of course >>1662417

The 14M2U only has 600 TV lines of and uses the P-22 phosphors. However, it has a finer dot pitch of 0.25 MM

>>1658717
>>1658916

A YUV (component) to RGB transcode might be lossless, but a YUV signal is already a lossy signal derived from an RGB signal. You won't get RGB quality out of it - you'll still only be getting lower YUV quality.

>>1671664
>SNES isn't emulated well on neither the PC nor the PSP
>PC

bsnes is 100% accurate

>>1672659
>480p
Please don't tell me you're upscaling

>all that post-processing adding more input lag

>>1673210
All of my older systems are still being piped into the PVM for that reason.

All the HD CRT is going to be running on a daily basis is the PS3(split with my LCD) and Gamecube over component; PS2 if the particular game supports 480p.

Even if said conversion removes that benefit entirely(which I don't believe that it would) the picture quality would still beat out the equivalent flatscreen.

>>1673235
>a YUV signal is already a lossy signal derived from an RGB signal
YUV isn't "lossy". It's as good as the encoder, with potentially unlimited bandwidth. It's exactly the same quality as SoG RGB (it's just a different colorspace).

>>1673256
But then your colorspace is still limited. Using the YUV colorspace, you're losing out on the wider RGB colorspace. Isn't the wider colorspace one reason people switch to RGB?

>>1673246
>bsnes is 100% accurate
keep telling yourself that

>>1673254
>which I don't believe that it would
Well, the reason people say they experience lag on modern HDTVs is due to conversion from a digital signal to an analog signal (which is necessary to actually be displayed).
Being fed a signal from any of its analog ports, The HD CRT would have to perform one more conversion than modern HDTV: analog -> digital -> back to analog. Make of that what you will.

>>1673210
If Rock Band's manual calibration test is viable, even the PVM 20L5 suffers from very, very, VERY minute lag. I wish I hadn't thrown out my guitar with the actual camera that was able to pinpoint the exact millisecond of lag with a tiny camera that detected how long it took for your TV to flash the screen, but by doing the video calibration by timing the controller presses on a wired controller, I consistently got 0-3 milliseconds on 480i, and around 13-17 milliseconds on 480p. That's less than a single frame and I don't think it would effect any gameplay whatsoever, but just because nobody's ever gone into detail about input lag on the HD PVMs, I figured I'd throw it out there for anyone curious.

>>1673282
It's a rather direct conversion, since it doesn't have to do much scaling or processing as an LCD would.

I could probably have both the PVM and HDCRT display the same signal to figure out the amount of lag it adds on, but it's negligible.

>>1673286
>0-3 milliseconds
>That's less than a single frame and I don't think it would effect any gameplay whatsoever

I've read somewhere that this is true, so you're good there, but a signal conversion might take slightly longer than that, which might be enough to be noticeable to sensitive players.

>HD PVMs
Are there HD PVMs? I wasn't aware of this

>>1673303
>Are there HD PVMs? I wasn't aware of this
Multiformat models, like the **L5 series and certain BVMs.

True multisync too, so it'll display 15khz signals just as they are as well as displaying 30khz+ (480/720p/1080i) signals.

>>1673250
I use the exact same setup, and I only get like a frame of input lag.

>>1673293
> it doesn't have to do much scaling or processing as an LCD would.

But then what if you aren't rescaling on an LCD? Would LCD be as viable an option as an HD CRT for truly negligible lag then?

>but it's negligible
If it'll be the same conversion an LCD would perform in the above scenario (no scaling), then it might not be negligible. Why would there be a complaint with LCD lag in the first place (assuming no scaling)?

>>1673314
You'd have to be feeding the LCD a signal at its native resolution in order to avoid dealing with its scaler, which isn't possible for the GC or PS2(without an external upscaler at least). The CRT would have the same problem if I was feeding it 480i.

The HDCRT will also give you smooth motion, unlike the LCD.

>>1673303
Hold on, I just realized an LCD will always upscale when being fed an analog signal. The only way it wouldn't is if you're using an emulator, set it to render the image at the native console resolution within the 1080p picture, and feed it through a digital interface.

You're going to be using an analog signal at a signal not native to an LCD, though, so you're right in saying an LCDs conversion takes longer than an HD CRT's would because of the upscaling.
Because of this, the conversions can't be the same for an HD CRT and an LCD, as the LCD's adds at least another step. So. an HD CRT's analog -> digital -> analog conversion might be fast enough to be negligible, just like you mentioned.

Damn, and just bought a PVM-20M4U for $130, too. Had I known >>1673310, I would've waited and saved some money to get one of these instead.

>>1673326
Beat me to the punch

>>1673329
Only problem with the multiformat models is they always go for really high prices. Even the 14in models I've been keeping an eye for tend to get close to the $150-200 range(before shipping).

That isn't to say that I wouldn't love to get my hands on one, just that unless you get lucky or have a considerable amount of disposable income, acquiring one may not be the easiest of tasks.

Do CRT TVs that support 480p have problems with input lag?

>>1673303
I worded my post a bit strangely. When in standard definition, the L5 has no lag whatsoever. That 0-3 milliseconds of lag was just human error on my part when I was doing the test. Some attempts would be 0, some would be 2, at worst 3, etc.

However, HD (480p, 720p, and 1080i are the HD resolutions the L5s can accept) seemed to add about 10-15 milliseconds of lag to every single one of my attempts. Again, it's not 100% conclusive, since it's reliant entirely on my own timing. I'd really like to find a cheap, used Rock Band 2 or 3 guitar so I could get some conclusive results but they are getting rather expensive now and the damn RB3 keyboard doesn't have the feature. I wish I hadn't spilled soda on my guitar

For the record, 16 milliseconds is about the equivalent to a single frame at 60Hz.

>>1673389
I play Smash Bros. at a relatively high level on a CRT HDTV, and I have zero issues with input lag. I can do most advanced techniques consistently.

If I try to use a RGB on a PVM using three BNC connectors, do I need to use external sync?

>>1673454
Unless you think that you're capable of playing games like this, yes, sync is required.
Now PVM if capable of accepting it, and the console of feeding it, RGsB(sync on green "Internal Sync") would work without external sync. I'm really not aware of any retro consoles that are capable of that.

PS2/Wii/GC will do SoG with component, but that's not the point.

>>1673469
>PS2/Wii/GC will do SoG with component, but that's not the point.
So if I use the PS2 component cable with BNC adapters and select "RGB" in the options menu the PS2+PVM would display RGB?

>>1673485
So long as you have something like a composite cable to use as sync (Which only unofficial cables have, the official Sony component cables only have YPbPr and audio), yes. But at that point you may as well just be using the YPbPr output mode anyway, unless you've got one of the older PVMs that only does RGB.

>>1673485
No, I'm nearly positive the PS2 only does SoG for component, not RGB.
If your Component cable also comes with a composite line, you can use that for sync.

I learned that I can do this with my SCPH 1001(first run PS1) by using it's built in RCA jacks.

>>1673492
>No, I'm nearly positive the PS2 only does SoG for component, not RGB.

It does both, there's a YPbPr option and an RGB option in the settings menu.

>>1673495
Yes, but it won't put sync on the green line of RGB like it does for component. I just tried it to be sure and ended up with an even more scrambled picture than >>1673469

>>1673502
Oh, I didn't read the other line of posts you were responding to, sorry. But yeah, as long as you have one of those third party cables that has composite and component it should work. Dunno about the quality of those cables, though.

Also holy shit that is a brilliant idea of getting RGB out of the SCPH-1001. I've been using my PS2 this whole time. I'm going to try that right now.

>>1673508
It was for a /v/ingo of all things. Needed to have the same game and system running at the same time in the same picture.

And looking at this photo again, both of the PS1s could really use a good wipe down.

>>1673520
I'm not sure if I'm an idiot or what but I can't get it to work. I'm using the PS2 component cables in their respective RGB inputs and composite-out from the system for sync and it's pretty much like the system completely ignores the luma/green cable and I get a green tint everywhere on the screen and there's a crapton of bleeding on the screen.

Oh well, not like I was upset about using the PS2 with component or anything. I still need to pick up a ton of SCART cables. I only have one for Genesis and I've had that for over two years now.

>>1673572
Forgot my hat. This is what it looks like. Minus the black bar from the photo, that's what it looks like, including that green bar on the right side.

>>1673575
Weird

I wonder if it could just be the fact mine is more dumb and willing to accept odd combinations
It could just be my imagination, but this looks a lot crisper than I'm used to seeing from the PS2.

>Espeon and Freya guarding your TV
Ha
Completely unrelated, but does anyone know of a batch program to remove exif from a large number of photos? Moot's changes to the file detection system have made it to where essentially all of my photos need to be wiped.

lookin good

>>1673647
Needs a bit of horizontal blur.

>>1673647
Damn, that's a really nice Shadow Mask CRT. Could be get the make and model number?

>>1673259
Nope. There is nothing lossy or restrictive about a simple color space conversion.

>>1673389
Theoretically, if you're using lower-res sources, yes. That is part of the reason SDTVs are recommended for them.

>>1673469
>SoG with component
>>1673492
>SoG for component
This doesn't make sense. What are you referring to as sync when it comes to component?

>>1673606
>Completely unrelated, but does anyone know of a batch program to remove exif from a large number of photos?
The most basic of web searches turned up exifpurge, jhead, jstrip, exiftool, etc. YGSIU bro.

>>1673752
He means Sync on Luma with component, which is similar to Sync on Green with RGB. It gets a little confusing when CRT's have a dual RGB/Component input and the Green/Luma jack is the same jack.

>>1673769
Yeah, I was being sarcastic. :)

>>1670358
You better rotate those NES carts, they're prone to warp

>>1673660
It's a tri-dot computer monitor

>>1673250
Shaders don't add input lag at all. Neither does upscaling inside the emulator. The display has zero lag being CRT.

The major source of input lag in emulation is vsync, and that can be mitigated by forcing it to not buffer excessively.

>>1673001
Why not? They can bloom like one when brightness/color intensity is cranked up.

>>1673259
YUV and RGB analog colorspaces cover the same gamut.

>>1673502
>Yes, but it won't put sync on the green line of RGB like it does for component.
It does when using VGA modes, at least. The official VGA dongle was just R, G, and B lines. (You needed a SoG monitor.)

>>1673647
Looks like 4x with black lines. 2x with black lines (as well as 240p 120hz) looks a bit different than that.

This is 480p with black lines and nothing else. Very very sharp output, to the point where I usually add a bit of horizontal blur to soften it a bit. Maxing color intensity makes it bloom like a CRT TV too.

>>1673771
strange, strange things happening here

Hey guys, I have a crt but I have a problem where the game doesn't fill the whole screen. This usually results in me changing the scan and the raster, but different games seem to have different sizes. Is this why tvs usually overscan? Does anyone else have this problem? I feel like if I overscan, I'm missing a part of the game and if I underscan I'm not taking advantage of the screen size.

>>1674714
welcome to the struggle, comrade

Hey, anons, I'm just going to share my retro set here and wallow in grief and resentment for my sore bad luck of only owning CRTs that overscan (whilst underscanning to top it off) into digital oblivion.

>>1676016
Behold the power of consumer grade electronics! I don't even know the original brand of this TV, given that Gradiente likely just bought it from a Chinese industry which relied on slave labor and renamed it to make some profit

>>1676016
>>1676021
Depending on the stage, the over/underscan is less noticeable. And this is all, the MD is running on mono composite.

>>1676016
ummm... whats up with all that tissue paper?

Look what the UPS man just placed on my doorstep.

this is my first PVM (pvm-14m2u) and so far i'm loving it.

this is Sonic 2 with component video at 320x224p (beautiful in motion)

this unit was manufactured in [January 2001]

>>1676057
Samurai Showdown at 320×224p

>>1673246
i know of 2 sound effects from the DKC games that can only be heard on a BIG snes and not on the slim version, these SFX can't be heard using retroarch either, thus not 100% accuracy

>>1676318
Need some proof there. bsnes is not known to be inaccurate in regards to sound.

I'm using this for heavy mother fucker I got from my uncle who was going to throw it out
it has s-video and component hookups
I mainly use it for NES, SNES, PS1 and PS2 games that don't support progressive scan

>>1676318
which game and which sounds
the DKC games are burned in my brain so I'd be able to pick it out easily

one of the reasons I don't emulate is because I remember the sounds being a little off in some games

>>1676513
Make your bed.

>>1676520
I thought to myself, should I make my bed so nobody says anything? nah nobody is going care
and now I also realize there is dust in my camera

Hey pals
Im on an iPad and chrome fucking froze this tab goddammit
My dad had a spare RCA CRT TV hanging around so I decided to hook up a Wii (only composite console he owns) up to it to see how I liked it
I even programmed a universal remote to work with it
My problem: On other TVs, I've had to set the channel to 3 or Av1,Av2, etc, but this tv only goes down to channel 54 and the "input" button on my remote has no effect
I'll be dumping pics and can take more for the next two hours or so, can anyone point me in the right direction?
I know spoon feeding is lame

>>1676973
Oh yeah, the pics are upside-down because it was easier to snap pics if the camera button was on the left
Anyway, here's a pic of some generic static that I get on every channel

>>1676981
Next up are pics of the highest channel...

>>1676987
...Followed by the lowest channel
Next up are pictures of the menu options on this thing

>>1676987
Ass my fuck, that's actually the lowest channel
>>1676990
and here I forgot file, so here's highest channel

>>1676995
Menu option screen número uno
Thank you, autocorrect

>>1677000
Omg fuck you chrome for pulling down my keyboard
Yeah I know, my fault for using apple etc etc
If some of these are blurry, it's because I have like a split-second to hit menu enough times to reach a menu page before the channel goes to static and the picture fucks up

>>1677007
Dum dee dum

>>1677010
Here's the most interesting screen
I've fucked with all the settings and nothing fixes anything
And see that auto program option (that's what I remember it as), I can turn it on to reprogram every channel (starting with 2), but as soon as I leave the menu, the lowest channel becomes 54 again

>>1677019
>>1677019
Aaand that's all I have
Request a pic of anything and I should be able to deliver

>>1676973
>>1676981
>>1676987
>>1676995
>>1677000
>>1677007
>>1677010
>>1677019

>>1677090
Yeah, yeah, I explained it in >>1676981
iPads aren't comfy to hold with one hand

>>1676973
is that a universal remote or is from that TV?

>>1677154
Universal Direct TV remote
10047 worked for me

>>1677160
hmmm, you might want to try another remote

Or another code (sometimes that helps)

rca systemlink 3 or 4 is what works best on older tv's (and VCRs)

>>1677160
it could also just be that the tuner board is busted. or the composite inputs are jacked.

>>1676057
>>1676063

the upper right corner seems a little darker then the rest of the screen, but that's only noticeable on an all white background.

>>1677185
I also picked up a 13-inch FD Trinitron WEGA (Sony KV-13FS100)

>>1677173
Maybe maybe

>>1677179
I can't manage to find a screen where I can test my composite jacks anyway

>>1677192
the WEGA was manufactured in [December 2002]

it seems to handle interlaced sources a little better then the PVM (just barely)

but as you can see, even at 512x224p it shows no scanlines (like the PVM does at 224p),

just the pixels on the aperture grille, making it look more like a PC monitor than a traditional Sony CRT (although the picture is still very good)

the screens are almost almost exactly the same size (13.1 vs 13.3 viewable)

overall I prefer the PVM but the WEGA has much better sound

>>1677209
do you have anything other than a Wii to test?

does the coax input work?

>>1677185
>>1677192

I know the pvm-14m2u has 600 TVL (lines of resolution)

but does anyone know what the TVL on the KV-13FS100 is? I can't find any info on that.

>>1677209
Do you have a vcr around? if the coax works and you have composite input on the vcr you can use that as a passthrough to the tv.

>>1676973
can you set channels with the number buttons on the remote?

what do the buttons on the set itself do?

>>1677224
All I have is the wii, but I can't get to a channel or a source option what let's me switch to the composite cables and find out if they work
>>1677265
Well I think he has a VCR somewhere but I don't
If it comes to that, maybe I'll spring for it, but I'd rather just pick up another tv for the hassle
>>1677272
Well, I can change the channels up and down and go through the menu and adjust volume on the remote
The buttons on the self are power, ch+-, vol+-, and menu

>>1677293
yeah, toss it in the bin and find a better TV. that's what I would do.

or donate to the goodwill.

what did your dad use it for?

>>1657857
>>1658543

RetroArch Wii is the only version I know of that supports 240p and other odd resolutions

Use Point Filtering Instead of Bilinear to get the truest most RGB like picture
(Note you have use these resolutions with Point Filtering or it will look like crap)


for NES (512x240p) or (480x224P)

for SNES (512x224p)

for Genesis (640x224p)

for NeoGeo (640x224p)

for GBA (480x224p) or (480x448i)

for CPS I&II (384×224p)

for CPS III (384×224p) or (496×224p widescreen mode)


for TG16 (see note) (512x240p)


TurboGrafx-16 Resolution is variable, but most games ran at 256x240 - 512x480 (512x240p)


(512x232p - street fighter 2 tg16)

(I don't have a full list of odd TG16 games yet)

>>1677356

Oh, thank you, that's much easier since I already have my Wii softmodded. How is Retroarch's performance on the Wii?

>>1677310
His sister dumped it on him recently and he's just been keeping it in his weight room (my dad'll punch your dad's head off m8)
I played some retro vidya on an HDTV recently and remembered that he had it lying around

I need some help, guys. I finally found what seemed to be a decent starter CRT for seven dollars at a local thrift store, and I get it home and it works great... except I started noticing pic related.

Has some pretty noticeable streaking/ringing going on, seems to happen most on dark colors over light backgrounds. I don't think it's my cables, as I tried it with TV signal as well with the same result.

It's much more apparent in real life than on shitty cell phone pictures, so I've crudely circled it in red. Did I waste money on a dud or is this fixable for a CRT newb?

>>1677391
its great for most things (are you going to use it on a CRT?)

it can't load NeoGeo games over 20mb yet (next update maybe) no CPS3 support (yet)

Ps1 and n64 games I have not tried yet.

but for everything else its great (on a crt)

>>1677464
looks like it's burned, it'll never go away.

>>1677493

Burned? If it's the same type of burn as LCD's get, I don't think that's it. This is dynamic - it'll change with the position of whatever triggers it. It's not just stuck in that one position, except if what triggers it is stuck in that position.

>>1677505
then it could be something wrong with the inputs.

how is it hooked up? RF, composite, component? try another connection and see how it works.

>>1677518

I mentioned in my first post that I tried it with both my console's inputs and with TV signal and the problem persists. It seems to appear mostly due to dark lines on light backgrounds.

>>1677486
if you want to play ps1 one games, just use a ps2 (fat only I think)

it will play ps1 games at 240p with no modding if hooked up with component

>>1677527
My TV >>1676016 has a problem similar to yours. In darker colors, there are some vertical lines to the left that have some kind of unequal brightness, and as it goes to the right they tend to disappear. At first I also thought it was burn-in, but then I realized it would only appear under certain darker colors. The RF of my TV is also busted, it can barely get any signal.

>>1676038
I jerk off to old pornographic VCR tapes, so for commodity's sake I always have tissue paper by my side, it feels great rubbing my weiner to people I am almost certain are either rooting from the outside or are simple dead already.
I was actually cleaning the PCB of my mega drive controller with it when I took the picture

>>1677562
>VHS
>Fapping
>rotting from the outside

for some reason your post made me think of this.

>>1677592
>weiner

or this. lol

(best comedy of 1984)

>>1677592
>weiner

or this, lol

(best comedy of 1984?)

>>1677192
>>1676057
I have not one but both of these models of Trons. Good taste, Buddy.

Pic not entirely related but shows the KV-13FS100 on the right. The other one is a 1987 vintage model with wood grain sides both 99 cents each. My PVM-14M2U was $9.99 on eBay and I just picked it up to avoid shipping. I posted about it earlier, even.

>>1677562
Where do you even find VHS porn? I actually visited a bunch of honest to god porn stores along the porn store strip in Columbus last year looking for a video that took place in an arcade but their once enormous VHS archives had been reduced to one small table at most - and that was in the store that the last time I was in there, the entire basement was VHS. I was disappointed. I wanted to capture SFW moments in it to use for reaction images.

I've found some more modern stuff online since then but I really wanted some legitimate period sniz.

>>1677592
>>1677618
You should definitely watch Joysticks if you haven't already.

>>1677668

>Joe Don Baker

>In a porno

Eeugh.

>>1677703
It's just a skin flick, Man.

>>1677703
>>1677712
Sylvester Stallone got his first movie acting role in a porno

>>1677653
thanks bro, it was you guys that inspired me to track them down. rock on

I paid $40 for the PVM and $16 for the WEGA, still a great deal I think

just need more time to play games, lol

>>1677742

Granted, but Joe Don Baker is no Sly Stallone.

Again, eeugh...

>>1677668
I found this at the goodwill in the kids vhs section when I was picking up a CRT

obviously, whoever stocks the tapes can't read English, or has twisted sense of humor (and wants to get fired).

either way... i bought it.

>>1677801
Most people at goodwill are doing court ordered community service

>>1677801
how is it?

>>1677464
it's called ghosting, gamegears are really bad about getting it.

generally causes by dry or worn out capacitors in either the tv or the input.

>>1677809
Surprisingly ok for a Ninja vs Demons porno, the animation quality was pretty good. And the chick that did the voice of Ash from Pokémon is in it.

Makes me kind of sad, because lots of titles can only still be found on vhs, and it’s getting harder and harder to find them in good condition.

>>1677653
>>1677786

I wanna be like this guy.

>>1677819
My Goodwill had a shitload of tapes from Urban Vision, which was worth my time.

Also, Nazca, which I know is shit, but I wanted to own it anyway.

It's sorta nice to find old anime VHS at Good Will, but damn is it a crapshoot half the time. I'm surprised I even found a Armitage DVD recently.

>>1677356
this might be a little off topic, but does anyone know of media player on Wii that has selectable resolutions like RetroArch Wii?

I would live to play my video files at 240p without all that sharking and jittering I get with 480i

I've tried MPlayer and GeeXboX but they only seem to output in 480i

any ideas?

(also what is the best wii media player?)

>>1678045
RetroArch actually does have an ffmpeg core that plays video files, but I assume it is not yet available on the Wii.

>>1678045

>Macross: Do You Remember Love
>Watching chinese cartoons on a CRT TV

My dark-skinned friend!

>>1678045
>>1678053
/vr/ is great I love you guys.

>>1676973
From the menus and channel numbers this is a mid-90s Thomson. I bought a similar TV in 1994-'95 or so, and its menus looked like this.

Scroll through channel memory to see if channels 90-93 or whatever are blocked out. I suspect they are because of the channel ranges you posted. (Nice comprehensive troubleshooting on your part, along with posting the menus.) Those 9x channels are AV channels on these Thomsons. You might not have 90 if it doesn't have S-video, so it might be 91-92 only (depending on the number of inputs it has).

The reason your input button doesn't work is because Thomsons let you channel up or down to the input channels or tune them in directly by number unless they're manually removed. You didn't scroll through them with an input button like on Sonys or Toshibas.

>>1677173
Good advice. That has a similar layout to the original remote on this generation of RCAs, too.

>>1678045
MACROSSBRO I ALSO REMEMBER LOVE

>>1678053
>>1678045
I'm more of a Gundam fan, but I think I'll post from a different show.

>>1678135

>I'm more of a Gundam fan

Well UC Gundams made in the late 70s and 80s are cool too.

Shit camera is shit.


Saw this a few days ago, meant to post it here in the chance someone was interested:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/191198870693

>>1678146

Heh, it looks like a carbon-copy of th KX-14. I don't think I might have the monies to ship it (97 bucks for shipping fees? Yeah, no thanks), but thanks for posting it anyway.

>>1678154
$23 for me. Cheaper than my PVM was from about the same location.

I wouldn't mind getting it if it weren't for the fact that I'd probably be shot for buying another CRT.

That and I'm currently looking into getting some form of audio setup to go with my increasingly ridiculous video setup. Completely off topic, but if anyone could suggest something in the ~150-200 ameribuck range, I'd be forever grateful.

I got a 1985 Trinitron XBR for free off of Craigslist, and since it was free I decided not to test it (the guy had cable running through coaxial when I came to get it and it looked fine), and now it won't display anything through any of its three composite inputs. I'm planning on blasting it out with compressed air as soon as I can get some, will that help or do I need to do something else?

>>1678493

Have you tried to see if there are bad solders?
Does it has any other input? I yes have you tried them?

>>1678571

I haven't opened it up yet to check for bad solders, but I will when I get some compressed air to clean it out (thirty years of dust build-up can't be good for it).

The other inputs are your standard coaxial (which looked to be working fine when I picked it up as the guy had it hooked up to cable or something) and a weird RGB input that I would need to make an adapter for to get it working with SCART or something like that.

>>1678595

I see. Well good luck with this monitor anon.

>>1678146
I have a 1390. Picked it up for free a few years ago and haven't used it for anything. I keep meaning to pick up a CMPTR breakout but it just hasn't been a high priority.

Looked OK during testing with S-video though.

>>1678045
>>1678053
Might as well. I watch anime on mah CRT too, or at least I used to.

>>1678993

I wish I could find a Quintrix like that.

>>1678993
Just as God intended.

>>1679529
what tv?

>>1679543

It's called [too blurry to see shit].

>>1679657
>>1679543
Looks like a PVM/BVM, one of the lower profile models like the L5 series.

>>1678493 here, I did some more messing around and while I wasn't able to get it working, I did noticed that when switched to broadcast input there was no static snow like there usually is when there is no signal. Not sure what to make of that. The letters when you switch inputs (VIDEO 1, VIDEO 2, MAIN, etc.) show up just fine though.

>>1678052
you assume correctly, looks like if I want to watch videos in 240p I need to hook up some kind of scan converter

that might actually be an ideal solution, I'd have lots more options for content with a PC connected to my PVM.

>>1679529

The monitor in pic related and here >>1678053 is a PVM-1444QM (the video source is a Composite signal coming from an LD player), while >>1678140 is a KV-14M1B.

Fucking hell why is setting the geometry on a CRT such a pain sometimes.

>>1681150

Sony has a picture stabelizer system in some of their "flat" CRTs to correct some of those geometric issues.

>>1681150
Sony has a picture stabilizer system in some of their "flat" CRTs to correct some geometric issues

Tell this newfag the advantages of using CRT and where to get one that doesn't take up too much space.

>>1681276
how big a screen do you want?

(top one is 14in, the other is 20in)

>>1681282
Probably closer to the 14" one than the 20" one, but jesus dongs these things are cubical. That's my main problem with them.

>>1681285
well the kv-13fs100 (and the kv-13fs110)

are basically the same screen size as those bigger bulker ones (the 14") but are much slimmer in the back and a little lighter weight

the only drawback is you don't get any scan-lines them, (if you care about that sort of thing like I do, some people don't so you have to think about it)

>>1681303
Scanlines is just a retro thing, right, because I can't tell how it increases image quality.

I just need something small. I'll find out if I miss scanlines or not when I get it. Thanks.

>>1681308
LCD doesn't upscale properly so it causes artifacts.
Whereas a CRT with no native res can display everything properly

>>1681276
>Scanlines is just a retro thing, right?

i'd say its more of an arcade thing. in general is makes 2d games look "crisp"

even on an lcd

look at this video and tell me what you think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vscKaVByjRU

What should I be using the overscan button on a PVM for?

>>1681323
If the game you are playing doesn't fill up the screen entirely or don't have anything particularly useful near the edges of the picture.

The original Starfox fits the first example where the Super Gameboy fits the latter.

I was using the 240p manual input test and got a bunch of 0ms responses. Does this mean my CRT has 0ms lag? I'll post a picture later.

>>1676973
Guess you just gave up instead of checking the input channels. Oh well.
>>1678091

>tfw fix geometry with the 240p suite on my DC using composite cause that's all I have for DC
>switch to component
>everything is fucked up

So if I set everything up with one input it fucks the other up?
Do PVMs have separate settings for different inputs?
Currently switching between composite, svideo, and component depending on the console.
I'd ditch composite but don't have a choice with consoles like NES, and Genesis.

>>1682303
>So if I set everything up with one input it fucks the other up?
No
>Do PVMs have separate settings for different inputs?
Yes

>>1682303
>>1682331
not just PVMs, almost all TVs are like that.

test

>>1682331
They do? I've only seen settings for 50hz and 60hz. Are they buried deeper in the service menu? I'll have to look closer when I get home.

>>1682748

Not bad at all, eh?

>>1683164
>dose half scanlines

So I got this Wii SCART cable that I bought on eBay in the mail today. I hooked it up to my PVM via a breakout cable and right away my speakers started buzzing. I turned the Wii on and was greeted by an almost black picture. It was listed as carrying RGB. Have I been had?

>>1683450
Are you using an NTSC Wii? Those SCART cables will only work with PAL Wii's, IIRC.

>>1683463

Nope, Aussie PAL.

>>1683463
http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/gamescart/gamescart.htm#wii

Are CRTs still the best option for the PS2?

>>1683463
This is incorrect. Just to stop the spread of misinformation around this:
If you have a NTSC Wii, it can do RGB through SCART, you have to change the region to PAL, in which you also change it to PAL60.

If you don't change it the pins will output component instead which works with a PVM but kind of stupid.

>>1683592
yes

>>1683592
Yeah, an HD CRT with 480p over component is fantastic, with just a bit of lag. 480i over component on the same TV has about a frame and a half of lag, noticeable in a few games.

These could use a pastebin with general info.

On that note, what should a newfag look for when trying to hunt down a not shit CRT? I want something small ish that isn't blurry as hell and I can hopefully find cheap. I imagine prices are entirely based around what you can find in your area with this shit.

>>1683164

Smell like filter.

3d printed CRTs when?

>>1683707
With small (under 20") consumer CRTs unfortunately they often have either SVideo OR Component but not both so you should decide which route you're going to focus on.

The most common 13-14" CRTs I see with component are usually Mitsubishis. I saw a JVC one time and bought it but it was suspiciously light and ended up not working. I got my 13" Wega and it's great (except for not having Svideo) but it was the only one I ever found at thrift stores.