/vr/ - Retro Games

Also feel free to throw any old concept art on the thread. Ive always loved this piece.

>>1639242
>To be honest, I have never fully completed an original Sonic game.

Really?

I mean sonic 2 is challenging with those goddamn bombs on the half-pipe but Sonic 1 and Sonic 3 are easy as shit.

I wish I played Sonic CD when I was younger. By the time that came out I kind of drifted away from gaming and didn't get back into it till the ps1 came out so it completely passed me by.

I really want to get a night where I just chill out with a joint and a few beers and just play through all the 'good' sonic games.

Modern Sonic is still good though, have you people never played Unleashed (HD Day Stages), Colors, Generations or Lost World?

Sonic would've been better off with a human girlfriend. And not that stupid Final Fantasy bitch from Sonic 2006.

I always loved Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, but could never get into the first Sonic games. Turns out I just don't like Sonic core gameplay at all, I just happened to like those two because they were a little more about platforming and less going fest.

>>1639384
Colors is a decent game but it has really awful blocky platforming that makes it feels less like a sonic game.

Unleasehd Daytime is fun but really unpolished.

Generations is easily the best 3D sonic by a large margin and does alot of things right and is really polished for a 3D sonic game. The physic sand level design for Classic Sonic could be better though.

Colors and Generations are the only 3D sonics a person should really play considering the others are unpolished mediocre trash.

Adventure 1 and 2 has some charming aspects about it at least

>>1639384
SA1&2 are fun if you keep the time period in mind and don't think about it too much.
Unleashed's daytime stages were slippery and the controls were weird, but the concept was good.
Colours was weird... it was pretty fun, but not for the reasons you'd play a Sonic game.
Generations polished Unleashed's gameplay and threw in some almost-classic stuff as a bonus.

>>1639419
>Colors and Generations are the only 3D sonics a person should really play considering the others are unpolished mediocre trash.
Strongly disagree,

>>1639384
I enjoy all of em before 06, the only one ive played after that is Generations. But this thread isnt about post-Saturn Sonic. Its about CLASSIC Sonic, so lets try to stick with this theme!

>>1639260
Sonic CD is very good, but I never collected all of the timestones or got all of the good futures. Anything special happen when you do either of those things?

>>1639713
When you collect all the timestones it enables good futures for all the zones iirc. So the already poo easy enemies are falling apart and everything is purrty. And the good ending. That's about it.

Did anyone else LOVE Sonic Jam for Saturn?
I know it was only a compilation, but I adored it on the Saturn, even though I had the games on Mega Drive.

It was just such a well put together title, all the originals with Lock-On compatibility. Different difficulty modes (which eliminated the barrell obstacle in Carnival Night Zone for one thing), packed solid with art to unlock, videos to watch and that wonderful Sonic World 3D bonus section with little challenges to do.

I played so much of this game, very fond memories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6GQKg1HkKc

>>1639910

Yeah, it's the best Sonic compilation even if it only includes 4 games, and also they're actual ports, not emulation. The only problem it has is some slowdowns on Sonic 2, but on the other hand it has some new options like spindash in Sonic 1 (optional) and Time Attack mode ala Sonic CD in all games, which is sweet.

And yeah the Sonic World hubworld and minigames and all the extra content is probably what makes that compilation so great. It's like Sonic Team saying "sorry guys, we couldn't bring a proper Sonic game on the Saturn, but have this".

>>1639409
How backwards... It's Sonic Adventure 2 that threw platforming away and started solely focusing on going fast.

Sonic R was a good game

>>1639910
Played the shit out of that when I was a kid.

>>1639245

What's the deal with the big ominous figure in the background? Was he supposed to be the real villain and Dr. Robotnik his lacky?

>>1640593

I didn't think I'd get the answer so easily, but apparently according to one site that giant ominous figure was just another concept monster that never went far into development. Unlike that big-jawed monster.

http://info.sonicretro.org/Game_Development:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(16-bit)

>>1639384
not /vr/

I've been reading the book Console Wars that just came out recently, and it mentioned that while originally Sonic was to have a rock band and a human girlfriend named Madonna, Sonic also had fangs. Sega of America disliked the fangs and Madonna, and requested them to be removed. Now there are the few pictures we have of the rock band and Madonna, but Sonic always looked like his traditional self. Are there any pictures of the fanged Sonic anywhere?

>>1639910
It's the perfect send-off to classic Sonic before we got Sonic Adventure.

>>1639910
Love it? I still have it.

>>1639384

>>1640517
>Sonic R
>good
that aside I played the shit out of it as a kid, I used to think it was a really difficult game when it was just lousy controls. I wish I still had that kind of patience to put up with that.
Also had good jams.

>>1640517
I enjoy it, grabbing all of the collectables is a nice challenge.

And the music is very catchy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAeBXh25NiQ

Wow, that song is actually kind of relevant to this thread.

>>1640454
Not really, no.

>>1639409

First time I see an unpopular opinion like this, it's always the opposite.
Which Sonic game did you play first?

Did anyone else never spin dash in the original three games?

I had Sonic 1 first, so I always got used to just hitting down and rolling if I needed to. I remember the Sonic 2 box or manual saying that Sonic has this rad new attack, but by that point I was so used to Sonic 1 that I never used it. Both games felt built around accommodating this (besides a few segments, like the elevators where you HAD to spin dash). Generations completely fucked this up for me.

Also I don't blame OP for not beating them. At least, if he's using an actual console. First two didn't have saves, so I'd always pause them for hours (sometimes overnight) and my parents would get mad at me for wasting electricity.

>>1639245
wow, those are some contraptions right there
> Cockbot
> ScrewScrote

>>1639245
Eggman Nega?

IF YOU'RE STRONG
YOU CAN FLY
YOU CAN REACH THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAINBOW

>>1641456
It's criminal that I did not see this until Sonic Mega Collection. As a kid I would have watched that opening a thousand times.

I hate you mum for not being me a Mega-CD. I hope I put you in a home soon.

GUESS WHAT

IT'S /POL/'S FAVORITE LEVEL

>>1641484
It was on PC since the late 90s. You had no excuse. I'm sorry you missed out on it during childhood.

>>1641549
Easy access to PC games didn't become a thing until recently.

>>1641558
I don't know how Euroland was with PC games, but here in the US, it was pretty easily available in stores. It was a budget release so you'd be able to find it pretty much everywhere. I still have my copy from 98. Think I got it at Office Max or something.

>This will never happen.

>>1641549
>>1641567
I had a Windows 95 then 98 PC, but it was really terrible. My mum knew someone who built computers and years later it became apparent he ripped us off.

I had a lot of fun with DOS games though. The Championship Manager games were great, even though I hated football even as a kid.

>>1641549

I had the PC version, but never could enjoy it too much. Maybe it was because I played it using the keyboard (I only had a joystick for the PC back then... as in an actual joystick, not a pad), but years later I tried it again on Gems Collection on PS2, and also found the controls to be a bit off. Turns out the Gems Collection version of Sonic CD is actually the PC port.
Then I finally played the original Sega CD version and I loved it, controls actually felt proper.

>>1641242
SA1, the DC was my first Sega console. I had had some contact with Genesis Sonic games, but nothing special.
I just don't like how in early Sonics they had basically no reward for exploration. In SA you had the more quiet parts of a stage where you could collect/kill/do your thing, but the early games it didn't feel as fun to me.

>>1641604
To add to this I have to say I played Sonic Heroes after both SA and it was just mildly enjoyable. Werewolf and Generations I hated quite honestly.

>>1641604
Fair enough. There are a few bonus rings and 1ups in hidden areas in the Genesis Sonic games, not to mention the special stages in Sonic 3; but if that isn't your thing, I see where you're coming from.

>>1641613
It took me until the internet to even find out that there were secret rings in the Sonic & Knuckles levels. They're all so stupidly hidden. I understand that it's Sonic 3 Part 2 but even Flying Battery Zone's -- a level that was supposed to be right after Carnival Night Zone -- secret rings are in ridiculous locations whereas Ice Cap and Launch Base's are pretty simple to come across. You really, really have to go out of your way to find them after Mushroom Hill. Even to this day I need a map to even figure out where 3/4 of them are.

>>1641685
Secret rings? What?

If you mean the Hidden Palace ones, I'd always just jump into the one at the start of Mushroom Hill, then select which Emerald I wanted.

Is that not how it works?

>>1641613
Yeah it's not that the games aren't good, it's just that my expectations from platformers are different from what Sonic is mainly about. My very first game was SMB so that probably explains my love for platformers in which you can take your time and do some experimenting, maybe find hidden stuff. I find that the early Sonic games don't give you as much control as you can have with Mario, Rayman or Crash (or Sonic in SA for that matter).

>>1641692
Whatever they're called, you know what I mean. That's just what I've called them since I was a kid.

>If you mean the Hidden Palace ones, I'd always just jump into the one at the start of Mushroom Hill, then select which Emerald I wanted.

You can kind of cheat the system like that but you have to reset the game after each special stage and then restart. Once you complete a special stage, the door locks, but your progress of having the emerald is saved. I feel dirty doing it these days, though.

>>1641714
Oh right. I did discover a few others, but that's just how I always did it. I always assumed that was the "usual" method since it shows Knuckles hiding in there, so that's the "true" path to the Hidden Palace area. I don't know.

But yeah, resetting got annoying.

>>1641714
>Once you complete a special stage, the door locks, but your progress of having the emerald is saved. I feel dirty doing it these days, though.

Excellent! I am actually just about to hit Mushroom Hill and I only need one more normal emerald. What a relief!

>>1641795
I haven't played in years, but I have a feeling you can't get ordinary emeralds that way, just the super emeralds or whatever they're called.

Not 100% on this though.

>>1641190
I used to love Sonic R back in the day too. I haven't played it since then though, but I remember thinking it was great fun. Sega Saturn Magazine gave it a great review too, and I remember a lot of readers writing in to complain that they hated it, but I couldn't figure out why.

The music was so much fun and cheesy too, but as you said, I loved the collectibles and challenged

>>1641795
you're fucked then, the emerald you lack won't appear in the hidden palace big ring area

>>1641685
...Huh?

If you enjoy exploring for hidden powerups, the original four Sanics are some of the most rewarding platformers you can play in that regard. I think you're just shit at exploring, mate.

As long as you at least try jumping into suspicious walls, you'll find them easily. You can get 6/7 Chaos Emeralds before you even complete Mushroom Hill. The game practically showers you with them. The only stupid part is that Flying Battery has no bonus rings at all, to the best of my knowledge.

Man, I remember when I was a kid, I was fucking mapping out the zones in my notebook so that I could try to figure out the most optimal route through them that nets you the most powerups. I think I still have those notebooks lying around somewhere. Good times.

>>1643619

Actually, near the ending of Flying Battery Zone act 1 there is one just before you face the boss there.

There are others laden in levels after it, so it's no big whoop if you miss it there.

>>1643619
>The only stupid part is that Flying Battery has no bonus rings at all, to the best of my knowledge.

It has two in each act, hence my point. I don't mind exploration in Sonic games -- hell, I've loved CD since childhood -- but the Sonic & Knuckles ring locations are really, really out of your way. Even Mushroom Hill Zone Act 2 -- which is the most liberal level in the game -- has a lot of the rings in pretty off-the-wall locations. Granted, it's great for replay value, especially after 20 years, but that's just how I saw it as a kid when I'd usually take one path in every game and stick with it.

>>1641604
I'm currently playing Sonic 2 with knuckles via sonic mega collection plus and I felt the same way about it

>>1643695

>playing poorly coded emulated versions

>>1639242
Sega got really stupid since they stoped making consoles and started doing remakes.

>>1643657
>It has two in each act, hence my point.

mind = blown

I remember going out of my way to explore because it always bothered me that there are no secret rings to be found there, and I still found nothing. Damn.

>>1643698
Hence the spoiler, turbonerd.

I really hate how dislike for the modern games has extended back to the classics. Everywhere I look now people are shitting on them for being "hold right to win" or, "why can't I go fast, I hold right and run into shit, sonic is supposed to be fast, the platforming sucks".

>>1643698
>>1643695
I actually liked that collection a lot. I probably didn't know any better, and was just overwhelmed with the number of games.

>>1639242
Fucking hate the sprites of 3. I love the Sonic 2 slick Sonic... but i can't deny the quality that is S&K, lately im' not that drawn to videogames anymore but that one is high/golden tier except for a few zones like Sandopolis.

I wish i could forget 3 tough.

What truly pisses me off isn't that modern Sonic is bad, it's just that Sega just doesn't understand Sonic anymore. They just treat it as a fast version of Mario.

What happened to the surreal level concepts? The likeable characterizations? The lore?

>>1639713
When you get all of the time stones, you become much more liable to beat Sonic 2 and 3's special stages

>>1644495

>Fucking hate the sprites of 3. I love the Sonic 2 slick Sonic

Finally someone else with this opinion. As a kid, I always thought Sonic's sprite was badass in Sonic 1 and 2, I felt his sprite for Sonic 3 looked goofy, like they tried to make it sort of pseudo-3D rendering ala Donkey Kong Country instead of the sharp 2D sprite from previous games.
Still loved the fuck out of 3&K, but yeah.
I also didn't like the more realistic/less psychedelic color palette of Sonic 3&K, and got some time to get used to the music. I still enjoy 3&K's OST, but at first I didn't find it as appealing as 1 or 2's.

>>1644495
That has a solution. Play Sonic 3 Complete

>>1645002

I had the same thing happen to me recently but just the opposite. I've always loved sonic 3 and k, but never got the appeal of sonic 2. Recently I completed it and now i think of it much better, and I actually think it does some stuff better than sonic 3 & knuckles. Actually for me, it goes like this:

Sonic & Knuckles>Sonic 2>Sonic 3>Sonic>Sonic CD

>>1645041
>sonic cd the worst
I've honestly never met a single person who holds this view. I never even considered this opinion existed before seeing it plastered all over /vr/ a few times each week.
Quite literally every single person I know who has played SCD prefers it to S2 and S1. Every single one.
For me, personally, it's S3 > S&K > SCD > S3&K (too fucking long to be more enjoyable than S3 and S&K individually) > S2/S2&K > S1 > S3D. Amongst S players I know, the order of the first four in my list will vary, but the bottom three are always in the order of S2/S2&K > S1 > S3D. Always.
A friend considers Chaotix highest but I've never played it so I can't say.

>Redlettermedia playing classic sonic trilogy for three hours on stream
>they complain that the game is a contradiction because you want to go fast but the best way to play it is slow and methodical.
Just wondering if anyone has seen this and your thoughts on their criticism? They were all total novices going in, and I always thought one of the nice things about those games is mastering it.

>>1645153

>S3 > S&K > SCD > S3&K

First time I honestly see this opinion... I thought Sonic 3 was a bit lackluster when it came out, I was disappointed after how much I liked Sonic 2. Knuckles was a lot better, but 3&K makes the definitive Sonic game, separated, they aren't really my favorites.
For me it'd go:
3&K>2>CD>1>Knuckles>3

However, it's a shame they took out the final boss from Sonic 3 from 3&K, that was a cool boss.

>>1645293
Between my Sonic-playing friends, only I and one other share this opinion. All of them put S3&K either first or second (after SCD), but the majority have it at the top. Of the ones that like SCD better, one made an argument that I entirely disagree with: she felt that the elemental power shields were basically worthless and needlessly gimmicky. I like the elemental power shields, even if 66% of them just disappear if Sonic, Tails or Knuckles touches something wet.

Consequentially, she also dislikes SMB3 for the same reason (gimmicky and worthless powerups) preferring SMB2JP/Lost Levels as her favourite Mario.

I and a very, very fatty fat friend of mine (hi Dan! I know you lurk and troll /vr/ a tonne) agree that S3&K is too long to be enjoyable but no one agrees with us at all.

>>1645308

I liked the new shields too, the elctric one was the best, all dem rings.

>liking SMB2JP best in Mario series
hardkore.

And I also sort of think some levels in 3&K drag for too long, when I was a kid I usually dropped Sonic 3 around Garden Marble, unless I was serious about finishin the game, I usually gor bored around there.
I always hated the Sandopolis Act 2 on Knuckles. running out of time+ghosts, fuck it all

>>1645153
>sonic cd the worst
I agree. I mean, mechanically I love it, I'd put it between S3 and S2 for me, but... the level design. It is so shit I can't stand. Most level are a mumbled mess of mazy platforms, and while I know this is because of a different design philosophy, I still don't think they're fit for a sonic game. It's a top notch in other aspects.

Goes like this for me: S3&K > S3 > S&K > S2 > S1 > Sonic Spinball > Sonic 3D.

>>1639242
I cut this from an old Sonic comic and thought you might like it.

>have fond childhood memories playing 1 and tails co-op
>not aware of anything going on sonic-related until a few years ago
>cartoon
>comics
>neverending franchise
>sperglord fanbase
>JUULAY

oh well.

>>1644495
I agree, the sprites look kind of silly. But the game itself is very good. I cant have one without the other really.

>>1645041
Oh boy, rankings. Heres mine:

S3&K>S2>SCD>S1>SK>S3

S3&K are amazing together but kind of shallow separate.

>>1645487
Well thats pleasant.

>>1645523
Are you me?

>Play Sonic 1 all the time
>Never even know about anything Sonic related until get Nintendo Power in 2005
>See Shadow the Hedgehog on the front cover
>mfw

>>1645456
Way to miss the point entirely, Anon. I was saying that it's /not/ the worst. I enjoy it quite a bit. So bad that it's not even on your register as a Sonic game, huh? Eep.

>>1645324
Yeah, she's pretty hardcore. Although we differ in age only by two years, she's adapted to newer gaming far better than I. I simply detest all this hifalutin newfangled gadgetry so I've never gotten into online competitive gaming. From what I understand, though, she kills on online FPS games. Like whoa. She won't actually talk on them, lying and saying she's a dude and that she's deaf (hence no talking) because she doesn't want other players fucking with her because she's vagina'd.
I know for a fact that she fucking owned at UMK3 when it was in arcades. I have witnessed her asswhuppery skills firsthand.
She's really bizarre. She's hot, thin/fit, pleasant and a gamer. I thought all gamer girls were fat, gross and bitchy.

>>1645623
I didn't misunderstand you, I just made questionable quoting choices, sorry. And, uh, I meant to put SCD after S1 there.

>>1645635
Oh, I see, I see.
Apologies, then. But still: never heard of this SCD hate until /vr/'s debut.
My friends vary a bit on opinions when it comes to S2 but none of us particularly like it. Some of them even go as far as to detest Tails for being a Mary Sue, like Diddy Kong in DKC and Dixie Kong in DKC2. I'm mostly indifferent, feeling it's not as well designed level-wise as S1 but has some superior play mechanics. It eeks by S1 just barely but had S1 had the dash in it, it would rip S2 a new fuckhole. I assume hacks are not considered in this thread, otherwise, I'd put S1+dash above S2.
And SCD's bosses are the best in the series, hands down. Getting to them, though, can be a fucking chore, I'll admit.

>>1645646
My feeling from looking around the net is that feeling on SCD are quite mixed, but liking SCD goes hand in hand with liking S1. They have vaguely similar level design philosophies.

Does S1 really play well with the spin dash? The level design isn't very friendly to it. It's full of pits and walls, whereas S2 and forward have mostly continuous landscapes with curves/hills to absorb spin dashes and let you use them to propel yourself.

>>1645657
I feel it's greatly improved with the dash. As you've noticed, SCD and S1 have some similar level designs. That makes SCD basically S1 with dashing.
I like the mechanics of S2 better than S1 and of S3 better than S2. You know what, though? Were we including hacks, Sonic Heroes Classic would be my favourite. ^_^

>>1639242
>“Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.” - Dr. Seuss

Now imagine Dr. Seuss crouching over his latest rape victim and whispering that

>>1645694
I smiled because it was humorous.

>>1645694

>>1645694
I quit 4chan forever.

>>1645646
>It eeks by S1 just barely but had S1 had the dash in it, it would rip S2 a new fuckhole. I assume hacks are not considered in this thread, otherwise, I'd put S1+dash above S2.

Sonic Jam has spindash in Sonic 1, so that'd make it an official release of Sonic 1 with spindash.
Still I don't see what's so bad with Sonic 2... I thought for the most part all zones were pretty fun and to me it still is one of the best games in the series.
And I'll disagree with Sonic CD's bosses... most of them were pretty meh and required almost no strategy, and were basically reused ideas from Sonic 1 and 2. The first boss looks AWESOME, that big sized mech was always something I drooled over when I saw screenshots in magazines back then, but the actual fight is a joke. However, the Metal Sonic race makes up for all the uninspired bosses. The final boss in Sonic CD is also lackluster, but then again, the original final boss ("Final Fever Zone" or something) was cut from the original game, or something along those lines IIRC, the track "final fever" can still be found in Sonic CD's sound test I believe.

>>1645002
>>1645014
>>1645584
And i thought you guys would fuck me up for saying that. /vr/ is the canadian board of 4chan.

Anyway don't liking a game for the sprites is stupid, but it happens...

The thing with S&K was special for me, i mean, while i was on the run i was realizing the good mapping work and then the music draw me in and i found myself playing it with a smile the very first time.

Flying battery and Lava reef 1 tunes got me loving this, specially the catchy reef. And then there were sky sanctuary and Death Egg. Fuck, i was having pure fun like a kid but on my late 20's.

All i learned from S2 was improved in S&K.wich is weird cause i like modern Sonic the same way old Sonic, but i fancy gottagofast sonic; i'm a Sonic 2 man, but i like plattform Sonic the same way.

>getting beamed up to the Sky Sanctuary
>the rising musical crescendo is the first thing that hits you
>HOLY FUCK I CAN SEE FOREVER AND IT LOOKS GORGEOUS
>OH SHIT IS THAT THE FUCKING DEATH EGG TAKING OFF THROUGH THE CLOUDS LAUNCHING THEM ROBO-ROBOTNIKS EVERYWHERE?
>wrecking Robo-Sanic's shit
>watching Sonic runs up that spiral path after the Death Egg as everything under him is collapsing into oblivion
>jumps at the last second
>next thing you see is DEATH EGG ACT 1
>SHIT JUST GOT REAL

Good times.

>>1646617
This. S3&K is cinematic, is varied, at the same time, it is full of gameplay and fun level design. It's the future.

>>1646554
>>1646617
>>1646626

All of this. Sonic 2 was my first Sonic experience, the Christmas of 1992. Then I got Sonic 1. When Sonic 3 + SK came out, it has been my staple Sonic game since.

Of all the 90s Sonic games, I come back to S3K the most, followed by Sonic CD, Sonic+Dash Sonic 2 and Sonic.

This coming from someone born in '84 that initially grew up on Hitachi, Amiga 500 and IBM PCs, while playing my uncle's Atari and C64, before getting a Mega Drive.

>>1644593
>lore

>seeing this for the first time
>tfw your imagination goes into overdrive

This is the kind of subtle storytelling that Metroid is famous for. I wish we got more of that.

This thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wE2dVQBXe0

>>1646946

I remember that. I also remember wishing that I could tear as through Station Square/Speed Highway and City Escape like that (more/better wall running experiences, even in "Field" areas)

Deedeet deedeedeet deedee
BAAAAW c'mown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBTAGVnfXAw

>>1646946
I remember this! Fuck I used to watch the movies in Sonic Jam over and over.
What was this from anyway?

Also this thread makes me want to play the classic Sonic games through again, or at least Sonic 3+K. I don't think I ever finished that as a combined game, only S3 and S&K seperately? Or maybe only once, either way, not enough times.

Sonic 2 I've played through a bunch of times though.

Did you guys enjoy playing Sonic 2+Knuckles? I remember at the time it blew my mind that they could do that with the lock-on cart. It was also kind of weird since Knuckles couldn't jump as high, I remember having trouble with the Metropolis Zone boss. But you could also get so many extra lives just by climbing walls in Chemical Plant Zone.
SPEAKING OF WHICH:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LYB7iLZNWE&feature=kp

>>1647306

That short animated film was made by the same studio that animated Warner shows like Tiny Toon or Animaniacs (who were japanese, I believe).
Never knew what was it... probably some pilot for a cancelled TV show?

By the way, you ought to yourself to finish S3&K with all 14 emeralds.