/vr/ - Retro Games

Both.

>>1637476
stfu salamander

>>1637207
vert usually, but a GOOD hori is fucking brilliant

Both

Good side scroller: Darius Gaiden

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7p1NA_Lc_c

>>1637710
This. Verts dominate the industry because they're easier to make.

>>1637728
>linking to a "longplay"
Why do people do this lately? Do you really think anyone cares about the thing you're referencing in your post enough to sit down and watch a 20 minute playthrough? Seriously, cut it out.

>>1637791
Holy chit just watch as much as you want to. piss + barleyflakes much?

>>1637791
I'm going to start doing it just for you.

>>1637791
Or maybe they are doing it to save the time for someone who was going to look it up to see what the game is like. /vr/ has a lot of problems but linking gameplay videos when listing a game you like ain't one of them.

>>1637698
I laughed

Vert. More logical gameplay (left means steer left, right means steer right). It's a shame that verts are dominated by generic bullet hells than traditional shmups with decent level designs, though.

I've always preferred vertical shmups. For some reason they seem easier to play.

>>1638893
I think that's why I prefer hori shmups. They were generally slower paced and allowed for survival through twitch, reactionary gameplay versus straight up memorization, which seems to be the basis of most verti shmups. So is that why bullet hells basically all we get these days; they're just so easy to make?

Vertical. The only ones I played when I was a kid were 1942 and Raiden and I got back into the genre after playing toohoo a few years ago. So horizontal always feel really weird to me, and I don't like the wall hazards that are frequently there.

>>1638919
I guess it just comes down to what you played first. I started on R-Type, Gradius and Darius on the SNES.

>>1638921
Not necessarily, but it often helps. Out of those two games I listed, I really dislike 194X games today, everything is for ants and this seems common in Capcom games. Raiden (especially 2 on the Playstation) rocks though.

I agree with the other guy about bullet hells, too. I don't really like them. The only bullet hell I have that I really love is Mushihimisama Futari. Even with the touhou, my favorite one is 4, who's status as a bullet hell is debatable.

>>1638928
OT, but would you recommend Raiden IV: Overkill?

>>1638930
I'm not sure the exact differences, but I have 4 and it is a qualified "yes". The firepower and challenge are great fun. The purple death beam is back and it is kind of a hybrid between classic and bullet hell style. The music...kind of sucks and it does suffer slightly from enemy bullets blending in with the explosions/backdrop, though. So it isn't perfect and I enjoy 2 more.

>>1637791
because it was the only link for the video that didn't have an obnoxious 14 yr old talking over it, or a 30 second annoying intro. It jumped straight into the game

>>1638964
Also, it isn't like you are expected to watch a 30 minute video. Use the little bar at the bottom of the video to skip around and preview....

From what I've noticed horizontal shmups seem to have more terrain obstacles than vertical shmups which rely mostly on enemy projectiles to create obstacles. Of course there's exceptions but I guess it really just goes down to what you're used to. Best shmup I ever played was Tyrian and it was a vertical.

>>1638967
I wouldn't bother; if they don't know how to use the internet by now without raging everywhere you're not gonna be able to help them.

ISOMETRIC

FUCK THE POLICE
SCROLLING AT ANGLES
TRY AND STOP ME HITLER

>>1638913
Bullet hells require less memorization than old school space shooters. Just because there are loads of bullets doesn't mean you need to know exactly where each one will go. And most bullet hells have slower bullets anyway so there's plenty of time to see them coming.

>>1638985
>Best shmup I ever played was Tyrian
Son, you need to get out and play more 2D shooters right now.

Vertical for challenge
Horizontal for adventure

Shame that Vertical is nothing but bullethell nowadays

>>1639106
All of this I agree with

>>1639005
I laughed pretty hard right here. Possibly harder than it deserved

>>1637710
What are some of the best horis? I don't play many of them, but Gate of Thunder was absolutely amazing.

Also that music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAPeSCNgoC4

>>1639130
Darius Gaiden
R-Type
Gradius II

>>1639101
Yeah, filling the screen with slow moving dots that you have to painstakingly inch around is the opposite of what makes a shooter fun to me. That's why out of the bullet hells I really like Mushihimisama. The bullets are fast as hell.

>>1639130
Genesis is home to loads of awesome horizontal shootans, if that is your thing. Gaiares, Hellfire, Zero Wing, Thunderforce III, Thunderforce IV aka Lightening Force, etc

>>1639217
>Genesis is home to loads of time-a-dozen mediocre horizontal shootans

>>1639223
Isn't there a shooter general thread for you to shitpost in?

>>1639207
give Dangun Feveron a try

I don't really have a particularly preference, but for some reason I'm much better at vertical shmups than horizontal ones.

I just can't seem to manage space effectively in horizontal shmups. It's weird, as they tend to be signficicantly less bullet hell. But I just find myself running into bullets constantly. Not sure why.

>>1639223
>time-a-dozen

Also:
>implying Zero Wing -despite the engrish/flash animation- isn't one of the best hori of its day

Not to scale. 8 million years in MS paint.

But I think this is why so many of us have more problems in horis vs. verts. Red represent visual focus range.

>>1639226
I don't waste my opinions on shitty "general" threads.

>>1639217
I honestly wish the Thunder Force games told me when I actually damaged a boss, they don't flash or they don't have a health bar or anything useful.

>>1639269
Forgot my shit image

>>1639256
No, it most certainly isn't. Zero Wing is definitely one of Toaplan's lesser shooters.

>>1639256
Zero Wing is one of the most boring shmups that you can play.

>>1638921
Fuck no I started on Touhou and now I rep the classic shmup coast.

>>1639217
Genesis shmups are fuckawful except Darius 2.

>>1639272
What the fuck is that flag of japan supposed to represent.

>>1639005
QUASI-3D MASTER RACE

>>1639692
it's the sun you peasant
it's red because that's the color their skin turns when they stay in it too long

Non-scrolling master race

Robotron the best

>>1639207
Never said bullet hells are good or that you should play them, just that they require less memorization.

Also, try Dangun Feveron and Raiden Fighters.

borders duh

>>1639254
Because of how the game lines up with the player. When you a vert, it's like the bullets are coming toward you, allowing you to perceive openings in the patterns better.

Genres aside, this is the main reason verts are better gameplay-wise. Hori shooters often look better, though.

>>1639696
>>1639005

HALFPIPE NIGGAS! IT'S LIKE I'M MOTHERFUCKING SPACE TONY HAWK OR SOMESHIT.

>>1639254
Sometimes I turn my monitor on it's side and play horis in vert orientation. I do much better.

>>1640231
I implore you to reconsider.

>>1640215
mah nig

>>1640236
It's just when I need a change of perspective, it adds to the fun bro.

>>1639130
Thunder Force V
Einhander
Not retro: Gradius V

>>1640262
Gradius V has so much retro spirit that it should have an honorary title.

vertizontal

>>1640231
>Sometimes I turn my monitor on it's side and play horis in vert orientation

WHAT SORCERY IS THIS