/vr/ - Retro Games

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NEWS
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-Have you ever wanted to play as a dog in Doom? No? Well, whatever, here's DogDoom! https://copy.com/o4kYFNMdcwoFqYO6

-Guess who received a STABLE update? OBLIGE! Now it's in ver.6, and things surely have improved; go check it here! http://oblige.sourceforge.net/i_download.html

-Also The Space Pirate got an update! Now features a mugface and the best code on the market! Go check the latest version here! https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxbbtKR5bll_anFPaVhUQVZqcnM/edit?usp=sharing Also be sure to check this nifty tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrFF8LCZw5Y

-A bunch of anons are doing a 200 minute speedmapping challenge; vanilla compatible (Doom in Doom format, if that menas something to you), no custom textures and MUST be done in 200 mins and have an exit; ask in the thread for more details!

-John Romero was present at GDC and a kind anon set him up a LAN in Zandronum (yes, you read that right). These are some of the matches! http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXkipPv0b4KMKE7z3WwlYYUCDLACNoYfE

-Romero was also present at the NYU Game Center to discuss, along with Rand Miller (MYST) about their games, their legacies, and the current status of game developing. You can rewatch said event here http://vimeo.com/92838909

-The past Awesome Games Done Quick featured Plutonia (Go 2 It included) and a Doom 2 race. To rewatch the Doom speedruns, go follow this link http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQcxg3SUqlYBoSYrpNJVu58GsoCXMREa1

-HDoom has its fourth techdemo! happy now? http://static.best-ever.org/wads/m12-hdoom-techdemo4.pk3

-Metroid Dreadnought now has a release date! MAY 27TH! (Go check it here - http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4561&pid=61847#pid61847))

-Dakka by ijon tichy is also getting tons of updated. Get it here ijontichy.lostsig.com/wads/dakka-0.051.pk3

ATTENTION! If you know about something news-worthy, reply to this post and mention it so everyone can see it

Can we do that thing where we post architecture images again to get the mapping juices flowing?

Helped me out a lot last time.

>>1636149

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>>1636157

Done with this shit for the night.
>>1636160
>>1636157
Reminds me of the bunker from Goldeneye.

>>1636160
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>>1636149
aaand I'm done

>>1636127
one thing that urks me about this picture is if Doomguy were to punch someone in the face while wearing that, "MOOD" would be imprinted

>>1636180
what if the demon later on looks in the mirror?

>>1636180
>>1636180
Having MOOⱭ on the side of a demon's face would be pretty funny

>>1636163
I mean no offense, but her face looks very... Off.

>>1636185
hence why I'm giving up with it tonight, I'm frustrated with it.

>>1636187
I'm telling you man, you got to move the face up and make the eyes smaller.

so how's going the 200 minutes megawad?

>>1636232
It goes good, more and more people are making them and I think they have somewhere around 15 now.

Personally my 200 min map went over (in time and visplanes) though and now I'm thinking real hard about turning it into a 6-9 map episode (with doom2 monsters) that's either Boom compatible or UDMF.

>>1636228
I fixed a bunch of stuff on it and gave things more correct tone. I like it better...but moving the face up cut down on the delicious 5head.

>>1636234
that's cool, anyway im the guy asking here >>1636232
and i made a map too i already sent. Do I need to make another map?

Is the metroid wad any good
Been aching really hard for metroid for the past few years, and after other m i don't wany my heart broken again

>>1636149
Usually I just use stuff from movies or drawings rather than irl architecture. Especially if it's complex without being true 3d stuff, since while you can use sector over sector it should still be used sparingly and not on trivial detail unless its very very infrequent.

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>>1636257
Another thing I forgot to add is that movie stills will also usually have more attention paid to lighting than a random pic of irl architecture, which is important for mapping

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>>1636270
Variations in height are almost always good in a map

>>1636242
This looks fucking awesome.

>>1636275
Thanks!

Full project will probably be ready for release in 2-3 _years

>>1636242
Nice imagery, it all really going to take years?

>>1636297
Yeah, for everything I've got planned it's gonna be at least that long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JNS90Ds4VA [Embed]

Anyone know where to get No Rest for the Living PSX Doom style? The description of the vid says:

>The sequel of PSX DooM: The Lost Levels.

Which implies it's new levels and not just the PSX TC running the levels.

>>1635709
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>>1635596
What's a good place to print these pics at?

>>1636237
"what if hitler was a woman"

>>1636149
>douk builds his final solution to aliums.jpg

So uhhh, we still sure Commander Keen fought in space?

Quick, someone post the >imp lying pic
I need it. 'cuz reasons

>>1636548
Visual puns are the best puns.

>>1636559
While you're at it, do you have SMASH AND BASH (the EB yoke)?

>>1636548

I remember doing a similar one in 2010 when the whole implying craze started with a imp saying "ps3 has lots of games".
I even thought it was funny.

>>1636559
>>1636559
original requester here, thank you

>>1636562
well, *I* don't

>>1636570
The idea occurred to me before this, but I think they executed it better than I ever could've

>>1635709
Fixed that scan-line fuck-up thing on this extra large version of the poster.

>>1636586
I hate that that's posted so often here... I had the original real thing, and my dad threw it away when I moved out...

I was gone for like 2 weeks, man.

>>1636586
aww man thats badass! I get chills everytime i look at this poster, remembering when i got doom when i was 16.

>>1635167
>When you play BD and go back to Doom you immediately notice the lag between pulling the trigger and the gun actually shooting. BD is instant. Compare shooting the shotgun in BD and in vanilla Doom. If you don't notice the lag you're retarded.
Oh god, I hate that. Screw you for reminding me.

Do I actually need my IWAD's in the same folder as BD/GZdoom since GZDoom already found them in my Steam folder?

>>1636721
>steam
just get ZDL

>>1636595
>>1636586
I fixed the artifacting on this thing like a year ago
posted it here >>1636586...

And there's a higher res here: http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/4cb4/o33ld5c3x6hzoanfg.jpg though the lettering isn't as smooth. I should get on that sometime...

>>1636768
Here's a cleaned up version small enough to fit on 4Chan. though there is a tiny amount of artifacting, it's not too noticeable.

Can you guys recommend me a guns mod that isn't Brutal Doom please? And why you like it, if you can.
Thanks in advance!

>>1636848
I like Project MSX (which is more of a gameplay mod than just guns but w/e).
I like it because it's fast.
Sure, there's a sprint button and reloading and regenerating health and a HUD but it's all handled really well, and the buffs to the enemies really balance you out.

>>1636595
you killed him right

>>1636326
I guess you could ask a printing house or somewhere alike. If you just want the unsigned poster, Amazon has it.

http://www.amazon.com/D7420-Original-Retro-Video-POSTER/dp/B00E6MPBYS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398390476&sr=8-1&keywords=doom+poster

>>1636721
Nah, you don't. Mine are in my Steam folder too.

>>1636848
accessories to murder
extreme weapon pack

>>1636848
Pretty much anything by WildWeasel or Xaser will have you covered.

>>1636834
Has anyone made a weapon/monster mod with the stuff in this poster?

>>1636240

Well, I'll be releasing it on the 27th, so you'll be able to see for yourself.
I'd like to think it's pretty neat, though, but I'm not exactly unbiased.

Have you mapped today? Give it a go. It's fun and not-at-all profitable!

200 minutes to make a vanilla doom map (no slopes,no 3d,flats as textures/vice versa, vanilla lindef actions, no sprite bridges, no jeff bridges)
Must have an accessible exit.

So far we have 15 maps... most of them good, some decent, none are too bad (especially considering the time limit).

Remember:
Report and ignore

>>1636928
gr8 b8 m8

>>1636919
http://www.mediafire.com/download/a02wew69wgx0gz6/200mindance.wad
Reposting my map sense the thread it was posted 404'd and I didn't receive any response.

Also reminding you that when you compile the maps together it can be any map or music but I would prefer F_SKY 3 (the hell one.)

4 letters
WELP

Well, I beat The New Order. Dat ending ;_;

>>1637074
I've got it in my notes.

I thought I had left a response, but it was pretty late when I played it. I may have went straight to bed...

Good map. Tons of infighting. In the courtyard I think I only fired 4-6 times. Led the revenant rockets into everything else :-p.

>>1637102
Gah I'm so excited to play it! It looks soooo good.

>>1637116
I loved it, definitely a shining beacon in a sea of CoD-likes.

>>1637116
me too
keep seeding, people

>>1637131
I seeded your mom

>>1637075
The fuck happened there?

>10,253
Pepper your angus.

>>1637131
This is one of the games I'd say is good enough to buy and support.

>>1637138
i'll maybe buy it (or just the panzerhound collector if it's not out of stock) if my laptop can run it fine

>>1637102

Who did you saved, Fergus or Wyatt?

>>1637145
Wyatt. Gonna play through the Fergus timeline and see what it changes.

>>1637148

ehhehehhehehe. ehhhheheheheheh

could this be the first time in vrdoom history that spoiler tags are being used correctly?

>>1637157

No__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOg0BhlIvyQ
holy fuck

>>1637157
No.

>>1637116
I have some significant complaints about it, but none of it made the game unenjoyable.

One that bugged me the worst was the hardlocked 60fps cap, and second was the no-AA-at-all, both sins in the PC world.

Still, game, mechanically, fun shit.

>>1637174
it's a good thing there was that sfx_oof about halfway through else i wouldn't have known it was doom

>>1637174
quite a change from the "engine limitations", right?

>>1637214
>playing wolfenstein right now
>looks worse than this

That being said, shit's still buzzword.

>trying the 200 minute challenge
>ideas don't work due to vanilla limitations

shit, I'm too accustomed to using ZDoom for really neat shit.

>>1637273

just make a fucking random map man, no need to be good looking.. try harder!

>>1637174
wait, is this a doom mod?

oh my god...

>>1637174
I thought this was dead

>>1637174
>No guns
And dropped.

does anyone know the assembly for the rocket-pistol in DoomRLArsenal?

>>1637174
>comments
>it doesn't look like doom though
THAT'S THE POINT YOU FUCKING IMBECILES!

I just had a major scare

>Making a mod, fuck something up
>Delete original, load up backup

Everything looks fine...then

>Load it, shit load of problems for some reason but it still plays.
> Oh god Items are exploding shockwave barrels, so are the torches
>why are my keys dieing soul harvesters
>No weapon noises

I nearly had a heart attack, in a panic I loaded up another backup slade ...and everything was back in order, had major relief. Thought lost shit loads of progress

what the hell though, is this a glitch in slade? I'm making my own backups from now on.

>>1637428
AAT on a handcannon

more stuff here:
http://pastebin.com/mG7F9ktg

RUNDOWN OF WOLFENSTEIN: THE NEW ORDER SO FAR FOR THE CURIOUS:

-Old school and modern FPS elements mixed together. Surprisingly nice.
-You can dual wield assault rifles like it's Goldeneye.
-The sprinting doesn't seem to be limited.
-Perks.
-The enemies aren't bullet sponges (at least the early ones, we'll see later), playing on second hardest difficulty.
-You can actually go over 100 health, not to mention there's an actual health counter. Health slowly goes down when over 100.
Your health does regen but only to the next highest number in increments of 20. Say your hp was lowered to 65, it'll regen up to 80. At least I think that's how it works.

>>1637475
That is the new one right? How is the Doom beta?

>>1637475
i really wish they'd have disabled the health regen and let you gnaw at nazis in dire situations instead

>>1637480
not here yet?

>>1637475
>You can dual wield assault rifles like it's Goldeneye.
>incremental health-regen instead of full health-regen
>Perks
I didn't have high hopes for New Order, but it actually seems like it might be really really fun to play. Might check it out now.

>>1637480
Doom beta isn't available... YET. If there's no shitty NDA thing on it, i'll give info about it here.

>>1637501
>If there's no shitty NDA thing on it, i'll give info about it here.

I'll be posting about it anyway, NDA be damned.

>>1637475

>that failed attempted viral marketing

>>1637502
Well shit, if you do it then i'll do it too.

Anyways, less talking, more nazi-killing.

>>1637475
>-Perks
They are also gained via doing certain things instead of with XP. I thought it was interesting.

>>1637504
>that failed attempted bait
top caco
/vr/ doesn't need your kind, go back to your concentration camp known as /v/

>>1637510
Don't respond to him.

>>1637504

>>1637475
I've beat the game and can elaborate a bit more.
>-You can dual wield assault rifles like it's Goldeneye.
You can dual wield EVERY weapon in the game except for the heavy machine guns you can rip off of tripods. You can even dual wield knives.

>-Perks.
Which are unlocked by performing certain things in the game (Kill X amount of enemies with gun Y for example), I unlocked most of them just playing through normally.

>-The enemies aren't bullet sponges
You do encounter some tanky, bullet sponge enemies later on in the game, but they can be brought down fairly fast if you use the right tool for the job.

>-You can actually go over 100 health, not to mention there's an actual health counter. Health slowly goes down when over 100.
Yeah, you can "Overcharge" your health, which boosts it over 100, but it will slowly drop back down to 100. I've had up to about 300-ish health at a time, and was able to just totally tank through enemies, so it's a bit understandable that they wouldn't want to make it permanent.

Other stuff worth noting
-You have a map, similar to the automap. At the start of a level, the map is totally black, but as you move throughout, the map is revealed. You can also pick up maps, which, like the Computer Area Map, reveal the entirety of the level.

-Secrets! Like the games before it, there's secret rooms with ammo or collectibles stashed away.

>>1637543
-Levels are fairly open ended, there is very very little of the scripted calladoody hand holding found in lots of modern military shooters. You go into all the levels on your own, with no back up. Nobody to take your kills, just you, your dual shotguns, and an army of nazis.

-"Exit Level". This is really minor, but I thought it was a nice touch. You can trigger cutscenes and exit levels at your own will. There's generally a character or item that you activate to trigger a cutscene, and end the level, versus reaching a certain point and the end of the level happening on its own. Meaning you can (usually) go back to explore the level before you finish it, without fear of accidentally triggering the end of the level.

-Enigma Codes. You can find pieces of the Nazi enigma code as collectibles throughout the game, and from the "Extras" menu you can crack the code. What does cracking the code do? Not a clue. I have no idea how to crack the code.

The next part is spoiler territory.
There's two "Timelines". On the first level of the game you have to make a choice between two characters, regarding which one dies. From the chapter select menu, you can choose which timeline you want to play in, one where character A dies, or one where character B dies. I haven't gone back for another run at the game yet, but who you pick can apparently affect certain things throughout the game. Like being able to access areas not accessible in the other timeline, etc.

>>1637572
>spoiler
from what i saw, one teaches you to hack, and the other to pick locks

>>1637572
>>1637543
>>1637475

I've made some progress on my title screen. Needless to say the friggen coat was a pain in the ass even with good references.

>>1637725

That is the most baked expression I have ever seen.
I don't think that's lipstick she wears.

>>1637725
The face. It just looks wrong.

>>1637543
But is it worth paying full price for?

>>1637727
Then you've never seen my driver's licence.
>>1637731
Too big? Cheeks weird? I have trouble seeing this stuff after working on shit for hours.

>>1637737
It's hard to say. To me it was, I can see myself replaying it a fair bit. Not everybody will feel the same way though.

>>1637725

Tee hee.

>>1637725
Huh.

>>1637742
Oh man, I needed a laugh after fidgeting with this crap. I'm so out of practice.
>>1637747
Part of me wants do make it more like that and include it as an easter egg.

>>1637740
Can you mod it?

>>1637760
Not sure, I have it on PS4.

>>1637725
how does the rest of the body turn out so... good... and the face... the fuck...

Good lord.

>>1637738
too big(especially the cheeks) and the lighting maybe try less detailed lighting?

>>1637273
Don't worry about neat shit. worry about level design.

>>1637725
Heads too wide. ears too high.

Anybody here know of a wad that has doom rpg monsters?

>>1636919

http://www.mediafire.com/download/js8422r7ku3d671/BloodRiver.wad

I made one, but had some trouble. While testing it in chocolate doom, I kept running into visplane errors. Maybe my map is too busy at certain places? I have no idea how to fix it. Anyway, it's intended to me a more difficult level. Hope it's not too terrible!

>>1637876

Doom RPG as in, the mobile game? Nope.

While they're mostly recolors, I think that a mapset with such kind of enemies would be great to play, but only if said monsters were redone/redesigned in such a way they stop being just simple recolors.

So far, only someone has decided to create only two of 'em, and they haven't been included in any mapset (the reddish one, however, is in Accessories to Murder)

>>1637891
It's probably over detailed. In which case you fix it by un-detailing it. I'll check it out though.

>>1637157
AAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>1637916

not him, but is a crash a visplane error or another kind of error?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm9LGi4J7SI

So what is actually happening during Thy Flesh Consumed? Where the hell are they? Does it take place on Earth?

Holy fuck. I just beat all the campaigns in Doom 1. Jesus fucking Christ, Thy Flesh Consumed might be one of the most challenging things I've overcome in video games, but god was it fucking rewarding.

I can't believe nobody's forced me to play this before, this might be my new GOAT.

Doom II is going to be so much better, isn't it?

>>1637937
Doom 1 has better maps if you ask me, but 2 has the super shotgun.

Eh, it evens out.

>>1637937
Doom 2 has worse maps, but the new monsters are REALLY nice.

>>1637934
Thy Flesh Consumed is basically a prequel to Doom II, so yes.

>>1637934

I don't think the developers even thought about where Thy Flesh Consumed took place, focusing more on just making hard-as-shit maps.

>>1637893

>flaming skelly punch

yes please.

>>1637937

Are you playing a source port? People abuse auto-saves. It ruins the level balance. And yes, Thy Flesh Consumed is really hard.

Play Playstation Doom. No auto-saves. No saves between levels. Just passwords. Death takes away all your equipment. Forces you to learn the levels.

Doom II is better thought of as "Extreme Doom". A lot of the maps are very gimmicky. They add some nice monsters. It's faster paced and more action-y. They try even less to keep any kind of plot going. And I wasn't joking about the gimmicky levels. A lot of them feel very unnatural and just people spinning ideas about random cool shit they want to see.

Oh, and you're playing a source port right? Word of warning. Go into the gameplay options and limit the amount of Lost Souls Pain Elementals can spawn. There should be an option to have strict Doom rules. Because of engine constraints, Pain Elementals could only spawn a few Lost Souls in the original Doom. Those engine constraints were removed in source ports. But the levels were balanced around the idea of these bastards only spawning a few of those things. So this can result in levels becoming insanely hard and frustrating since you are surrounded by Lost Souls.

>>1637946

Agreed. I love Doom 1 maps. And music.

>but 2 has the super shotgun.

Always felt OP and makes the plasma and rocket launcher redundant. I much prefer doom 1 weapons.

>>1637929
I just checked it's not a crash. It's just the slime trail thing.

I'll see what's up in a bit. I have to beat this level first. If that's in fact possible.

>>1637929

Yeah, at certain points, I'll randomly get a wall of mirrors effect in the middle of the map. I think if I walk into the wall of mirrors, it crashes. I'm really not sure what's causing it. Maybe I put too many lines in the islands I made? I did kinda go nuts trying to "round" them.

>>1637934
if i remember well, thy flesh takes place on earth, in some kind of hell fortress (the one you see at the end of ep 3)

>>1637937
What difficulty and did you save scum?

Doom II is identical imo. Only really hated one map.

Be sure to check out Doom 64 as well. Best console Doom.

>>1637956

I know it's just an expansion pack. But Ep III ended with the realization that Earth is invaded too. Then Episode 4 ends in front of the same building, and talks about the Spider Demon.

>>1637893
Thanks, do you know where I can find the blue one?

>>1637961
Plasma Rifle always felt pretty redundant due to the BFG.
BFG just takes 40 cells way further.

>>1637976

That's true. But BFG is rare as hell. I never was able to keep it very long.

>>1637961
Not him but what was the cap on lost souls the PE's can spawn?

I am actually going to play the PS doom next actually. The only episode exclusive to it though. Shame I can't play it with mouse and keyboard though.

>>1637961
Yeah, I was. And thanks for the warning, I'll have to look into it.

I'm far, far too casual for PSX Doom. At least, right now. I've only been seriously playing Doom for about a week. Maybe two max.

>>1637968
Hurt Me Plenty. Yeah, sorry.

I can't decide if I want to do Doom 64 right after Doom II, or if I want to do the rest of the wads in the pastebin's zip first. But I'm really, really looking forward to playing it.

>>1637937
Your post really looks like soft-bait, that spoilered question is just too perfect context and history wise to be real.

Anyway, if you aren't pulling our legs I gotta say vanilla Doom II it's better only because of the SSG and the new monsters.

>>1637976
Wasn't this always purposefully done though? Super Shotgun takes up two shots instead of one, although it's not much so super shotgun is much better. Then the pistol shares with the chaingun, again might as well go chaingun though. I always thought plasma rifle was the more useful (lesser gun) I guess you can call it.

>>1638000
The regular shotgun doesn't serve too much purpose when the Super Shotgun is around.

Chaingun kind of fills the same role as the standard shotgun but dishes out the damage faster.

To me it feels like the Plasma rifle actively wastes cells, especially if you're aware of a BFG near by.

>>1637987
>Not him but what was the cap on lost souls the PE's can spawn?

21.

God damn Refueling base is so hard without that limit. I didn't know about that and the entire level was filled with lost souls.
>>1637987
>I am actually going to play the PS doom next actually. The only episode exclusive to it though. Shame I can't play it with mouse and keyboard though.

Some notes. Controlling is actually pretty good. It uses all the buttons and you get used to it. It's very accurate, and you don't need the mouse. Turning is slow though. If they added a button for a quick 180 it would be perfect.

There is however, a Total Conversion. I can't get the lighting to match it however. I don't know if it's just a setting thing. It doesn't seem as good. Also it feels easier somehow. I'm breezing through the TC while the original gave me more difficulty. I suspect the player can run faster in the TC than in the PS1 game.

The only downside is the framerate takes a hit in HUGE levels. Second one in Thy Flesh Consumed is barely playable.

What's your definition of savescumming anyways?

>>1637989
Hey it's fine to play the way you want. Nightmare is crazy and I want to beat at least one of them on nightmare. I say go for doom 64 immediately. A ton of levels, nice graphics and

spoiler warning - a pretty cool and original final boss that might enrage you depending on if you missed artifacts.

Great game and I am surprised I somehow missed playing it years ago on my 64.

>>1638007

>die
>reload
>die
>reload

Also:
>die
>load auto-save from beginning of the level

These completely ruin balance. Like you never lose items, so you always have everything. Death has no consequences. You also don't really learn the level but instead just save scum through it.

>>1638000
Every weapon in doom except perhaps the pistol vs the chaingun have their uses.

Shotgun is more horizontal than the SSG and can be more accurate at longer ranges. Also doesn't use 2 shells, so if using the SSG is overkill (zombiemen), you can use the shotgun and save on ammo.

Plasma rifle vs BFG is easy. Plasma balls have a flight time (so does the BFG orb), but when the balls hit, they do their damage. The BFG orb just causes rays to shoot from you. If you're behind a wall, you just wasted your shot. Not so with the plasma rounds. Besides that, the high rate of fire on the plasma rifle means you can trigger pain states rapidly, whereas with the BFG, you have to wait for the wind up, the shot, then the damage to apply. On some packs of enemies, you're likely to die before you get that to happen. Plasma rifle lets you crowd control.

Of course, there's also the point that, if for whatever reason you're stacked with a lot of cells and not a lot of any other ammo, you don't want to BFG every monster in your path if they aren't in a big enough group. Plasma rifle can take out imps and zombiemen in a scant few rounds. If you control your fire, you can make that ammo go a long way.

>>1638007
Saving before a big fight, saving in the middle of said fight, reloading whenever you take too much damage, reloading when you use too much ammo and so on.

Think Quicksave quickloading repeatedly through things.

>>1638016
how is the second one savescumming? I thought that was the right way to play

>>1638026

It's how source ports go by default. I don't like it. I actually forget how original doom did it. I don't think it used auto-saves at all. Death meant losing all your stuff.

>>1638026
Normally when you die in Doom you lose everything and get sent back to a pistol start.

Autosaves basically let you skip saving at the start of the level manually.

Some people find that you should be pistol starting all levels anyways.

>>1638030

Pistol starts are stupid and make finding secrets redundant.

>>1638026
You could argue it's the intended way, judging by the game manual and opinions of the Johns these days.

>>1638016
But the manual said to save often.
>>1638020
This I can understand. Most of them anyways.

>>1638016
>including the second example with the first

No, just no. When you die in that second example, you start from the beginning, same as if you had just arrived to that level. It DOES make you learn the level, because you're going through it again. Sure, its not a pistol start, but there's probably not a huge amount of Doom players who actually have bothered to, say, pistol start each level separately (I have. It is a great test of your knowledge).

>>1638006
I might try capping the lost souls count then when I try out nightmare.

I have played the PS1 doom. Used to own it a long time ago and have it now on retroarch.

>>1638029
but even so is that really considered savescumming? its still punishing to have to go through a level all over again

>>1638016
>Death has no consequences
You mean aside from kicking back to the beginning of the stage? The first instance can be dumb, like saving half-way through a level or w/e, but I don't see any problem with the second deal.

>>1638036
Well personally I prefer to do a big battle all at once so I don't really mind if someone saves before a big fight.
Makes it feel more tense.

But saving in the middle of it makes it feel like I can relax more and that's okay, but I prefer the all or nothing approach to it.

>>1638029
Original Doom had no autosaves. It wanted you to save it manually.

>>1638045
>>1638040

And you got all your fancy shit. And it accumulates over time, so you never run out of ammo. There's never any tense moments. It's like easy mode.

>>1637891
Fucking hard map. Pistol start was nearly impossible, for me anyway. With no ammo built up I ended up punching a lot of skulls to death.

There are some issues though. Doors with no sector tags and that sort of thing. Zdoom sorts that shit out just fine, but vanilla won't know what to do with it. As for your rendering errors and such, I'm still looking into it.

>>1638049
but the maps are built around what the game expects you to have at that point. losing everything but your pistol just seems like artificial difficulty to me

>>1638049
If you've died and had to reload, the level is obviously already giving you trouble.

That's a totally idiotic thing to say. You're reloading, of fucking course there's been tense moments. You just died.

>>1638049
More to say that pistolstarting is Id's punishment for people not following their advice to save, but put they work into making it not-impossible. It's like extreme mode.

>>1637993
Sorry, I didn't realize it was a touchy subject. I've only played Doom II for multiplayer wads, I haven't touched the campaign yet.

>>1638012
I'm still pissed my dad made me give away my 64 to my cousins who promptly threw it away like faggots fuck that side of the family, but I figure getting the source port is about as good as playing it on console, so that makes up for it.

I wasn't worried about save-scumming, or not playing on Ultraviolence, especially since it's my first playthrough, but I don't know how touchy /vr/ is about shit because I don't main this board. I've just been lurking here since I started playing Doom last week.

>>1638057
The vanilla levels are all built around not having anything as well as being built around being heavily armed.

They didn't want you have to start all over for dying in the middle of an episode.

>>1638063
All that matters is that you have fun playing how you want as long as you don't flat out use cheats

>>1638063
>I'm still pissed my dad made me give away my 64 to my cousins
see >>1636865

>>1638034
eh I guess by today's standards it would be classified as retarded but the levels were designed in a way that they are completely doable starting with only a pistol.

>>1638067
>Implying he didn't died from cancer my senior year of high school
>Implying that side of the family didn't go apeshit and try to steal everything of value from our home anyway

Take it from me, we don't associate with those video game killing bastards anymore.

>>1638065
Why does that matter?

The fun of Doom is that its got amazing single player that has good customizability in terms of what you want. 5 difficulty settings plus things like -fm, and of course one of the oldest modding communites in existance with shit tons of map packs and gameplay changes.

Who cares if anon wants to play Doom with cheats? The only thing they shouldn't do is talk about how they beat so and so and not mention using cheats.

Why do people get so up in arms about how other people play their single player experience?

>>1638063
>but I don't know how touchy /vr/ is about shit because I don't main this board.

The short of the matter is play how you want to play. Everyone has their own opinion about the "right" way to play things, but honestly we're just glad to have people in our midst.

There's generally three ironclad rules, though, if you're just starting out:
1: Give the original Doom a shot soon and play it through vanilla. Doom 2 optional, but it's generally inferior to the first.
2: Don't load everything with Brutal Doom.
3: Figure out if you're looking for fast gameplay, a flexible engine, a limitless amount of fan content, exploration and level design, and adjust your expectations of the community accordingly.

>>1638046
>Original Doom had no autosaves. It wanted you to save it manually.

What about chocolate Doom?

>>1638082
Chocolate doom has no autosaves. It's damn near vanilla. No more, no less, but it runs on new machines.

>>1638054

Shit, I didn't mean to make an IMPOSSIBLY hard map. I guess should've added more health and ammo. Also a rad suit. Maybe I hid some of the ammo too well? There are some walls you can walk through.

Anyway, I'm looking at it again in doombuilder, and I'm not entirely sure what the no sector tags on doors deal is. I'm looking at all of them, and they have a sector number. When I check the map analysis mode, the only error it throws up is a demon being in the same space as a decorative corpse.

>>1638076
>The fun of Doom is that its got amazing single player that has good customizability in terms of what you want.
It kind of goes away if you're cheating.

>5 difficulty settings plus things like -fm, and of course one of the oldest modding communites in existance with shit tons of map packs and gameplay changes.
Gameplay changes don't matter if you're invincible.

>Who cares if anon wants to play Doom with cheats?
There's no fun cheats like in Turok and Goldeneye.

>Why do people get so up in arms about how other people play their single player experience?
Because some things they do ruin the experience.

>>1638082
Chocolate isn't Vanilla.

>>1638090
>Because some things they do ruin the experience.

>>1638090
>Because some things they do ruin the experience.

What do you care? Getting mad at them is useless. Yes, I get the whole righteous "I want them to have more fun", but people actually get up in arms about other people using cheats regularly. If you tell them they should try it without cheats and they disagree, then it should stop right there. Getting upset about it is literally useless. Its like some sort of meta-upset, where you're mad at them for not having fun a particular way, yet even if they were, you'd not know the difference.

>>1638087
Levels shouldn't require secrets, but it's not impossible to pistol start, so it's fine. Just hard.

Doors without sector tags: Room with a backpack in it, door next to the mancubus, door to the hell knight room, secret door to teleporter.

Also the backpack closets door is only tagged on one side. So you could get locked in it.

And just in general I would take out some detail. Vanilla doom doesn't like that sort of thing. There are a lot of redundant vertices that don't add enough detail to make it worth it.

>>1638081
>Everyone has their own opinion about the "right" way to play things, but honestly we're just glad to have people in our midst.
Yeah, this thread alone has more vidya discussion than the entirety of /v/, but since I main /v/ I'm too used to shitflinging being incited for tiny bullshit, so I'm too used to bending over backwards to keep vidya discussion going. Sorry about that.

That was more or less my plan except for Brutal Doom? Is it any good? I've heard mixed opinions from what I've read in this thread so far.

>>1638090
>Because some things they do ruin the experience.
The things they do ruin YOUR experience. Not theirs.

>Switcheroom DOOM
>pistol start

>E4M6
>BIG ASS ROOM
>4 CYBERDEMONS at once
>full of Cacos, Lost Souls, Imps and loadsashit

Nice

>>1638076
>Why do people get so up in arms about how other people play their single player experience?

I agree although I always prefer to go into a new game as blind as possible.

>>1638102

Brutal Doom is basically yet another guns and blood mod--it makes the guns loud, gives them alt-fires, makes enemies nastier, and makes blood splatter everywhere.
Some people like it because it's more visceral, others don't like it because some of the changes are silly and the creator is extremely fond of implementing things and then removing them the next build.

It's okay, but the big problem is the fanbase full of people who proclaim it to be vanilla+ and refuse to play anything else.
Generally, variety is the spice of life, so feel free to try Brutal Doom and other gameplay mods you see fit.

Here's some other options to get you started.

>>1638105
I love how on some pistol starts you realize you're going to have to melee to get by.

Rip and tear takes on a whole new meaning when it becomes a necessity and not just a gameplay choice.

>>1638095
>>1638096
>>1638104
>Can't appreciate item placement because invincible and don't need items
>Can't appreciate challenge because invincible and don't need items
>Can't appreciate levels period because invincibility and no need for items
It ruins the experience no matter how you look at it.
They get a different one entirely and if they like that instead then it's okay but they might as well play Serious Sam for more fun while cheating.

>What do you care? Getting mad at them is useless
Who said I was mad?

>>1638113
Oh, I was under the impression it did all that AND had its own campaign. I didn't realize it was just a mod for the regular games. Good to know.

>>1638124
nope. just a mod.

>>1638119

it wouldn't be so bad if fists didn't suck, doing that "bap bap bap bap bap bap" bullshit gets frustrating.

If you have a berserk pack then it's fun because then you're juking demons and shit while being capable of hitting hard enough to actually be worth while

>>1638131
Its even worse punching pinkies without berserk. Its a mean of 14.45 hits. Some levels throw like 4-6 pinkies at you sometimes. That's a lot of running and punching (or doing that in-place step thing that makes pinkies miss their bites all the time).

>>1638131
But the fists hurt more than your pistol.

>>1638087
Also I fixed your visual errors by deleting a few vertices. I don't remember which ones, but a little clean up fixed it.

>>1638146
>>1638087
Also I meant hard in a good way... We need harder maps anyway. :-p Punching skulls wasn't so bad.

>>1638145

Yeah but it's also slow and boring to watch because it's a slow animation and there's no kinda woosh when you swing

>>1638149

Well, despite the errors and super difficulty, I hope you at least enjoyed playing it. I tried to make it so you could basically run the map in less than half a minute by rushing to the teleport secret, shooting the spider in the back with the bfg, and cheesing into the exit.

who the hell needs a swoosh in doom nigga you're supposed to add the extra sounds its a goddamn vidyagaem, it's not supposed to be SO REEL

>>1638160
I feel the same way about the pistol.
I wish there was a mod that made both the pistol and fist feel better to use without flat out replacing them.

So after hours and hours of fixing and head pounding, I'm at this point. I really wish I could see my own mistakes with this stuff, but luckily this community is full of constructive critiques. Any more edits on it will happen tomorrow, because I'm frazzled. Time 4 DOOM.

>>1638170

Actual thrown fists don't make a dramatic and overexaggerated WOOSH dunkass.

I need an actual video game sounding WOOSH when you attack, and the animation needs to come out real snappy.

Otherwise we get shit like this

>>1638201
Waaay much better

>>1638201
Looking better than before, But I think her head needs to move a bit. Her head almost completely hides her neck, which makes it look like it was just pasted on top of the body instead of being connected to it.

Has anyone ever watched a speedrun for a level or level set that they had trouble with and found all sorts of shit they could have done that would have made it so simple?

This happens to me all the time.

Some issues with PSX Doom TC:

>colors and lighting off from the original

Look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdijFyxpJEE

In TC on my end however, it's much darker and anything in shadows is completely pitch black. It's also lacking the yellows/reds. Is this just a matter of settings? I mostly have not changed video/ligthing. It's at default "dark" light setting.

It also seems way easier than original PSX Doom and I'm not sure why. I'm not abusing saves or anything. Are there recommended settings?

I am just breezing through it. Not using Freelook either. I was even using my PS3 controller in the same configuration as PSX Doom too. Maybe I'm just used to the maps? Maybe the player is faster in the TC? He does bob more than in PSX Doom.

Specters and invisible demons are easier to spot too. I think that's just because of the higher resolution and clearer graphics.

>why not ask on doomworld forums

Waiting for activation.

>>1638262
>way easier than original PSX Doom
Original PSX Doom was dirt simple. Maps and monsters were dumbed down for the console.

For those interested, a certain well known Doom blogger among the community is playing W:NO right now (he's about to finish the story w/Fergus). Details and link on his blog

>>1638269

I think only around the first 8 maps were edited, since it was using jaguar doom as its base. Most later levels are not hugely changed. It's mostly minor technical stuff, like texture variety, and enemy variation.

No Arch villes though.

I like most of the changes too.

you're never gonna score

>>1638284

What's the difference between Odamex, ZDaemon, and Zandronum?

>>1638294
>Odamex
ded
>ZDaemon
banned
>Zandronum
execution could not continue

>>1638057
>but the maps are built around what the game expects you to have at that point

i don't believe this is true.

in an interview Sandy Petersen stated they did most playtesting of maps from pistol starts and as a result the game played as a sequence was too easy even on the hardest skill level.*

NIghtmare skill was added in v1.2 in response to players saying UV was too easy. **

____
* http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Pistol_start
* http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Skill_level#Notes

>>1638294
Odamex is super oldschool, Zandronum is super newschool, and ZDaemon is somewhere in between.

>>1638294
Odamex
>Dead
ZDaemon
>LOL
Zandronum
>furries

>>1638294
Unlike the others, Odamex respects your freedoms.

>>1638323

does it respecks muh open-code freedoms?

huh...I thought so

>>1638294
Odamex - Was basically only used for the longstanding IDL (Internet Doom League) but they ditched that for Z&. Most old-fashioned.

ZDaemon - Some players. Based on ZDoom 1.23, mod support is ancient and are limited to DeHacked, doesn't support Decorate or ACS. Built around competition for when IDL played on it. Used to be huge, until Skulltag/Zandronum eventually got more players.

Zandronum - Based on ZDoom 2.5.0 as of Z& 2.0. Easily the most players online, and supports the most mods. That second part is a double-edged sword. Just remember what happens if you give some south american early teen the ability to do whatever he wants in the most easily modded game out there. Also includes an optional OpenGL renderer.

>>1638294

>>1638327
Is it licensed under GPLv2 or the original Doom license? Does it use FMOD or any other closed libraries? Find out!

I wanted a mindless FPS where I just go around and shoot stuff, I remembered /vr/ and doom exist, I just installed brutal doom and this is incredibly fucking fun.

You guys know how to game.

>>1638165
i thought it [BloodRiver.wad] was great.

i didn't find it hard (picture is result of my first attempt) but that's probably because i found the secrets pretty easily and ended up doing the map backwards with the BFG.

there was tons of ammo, no lost soul punching required. that might have been because i was playing in doom2 complevel which has the lost soul limit, though. (also, finding secrets obviously helped...)

i noticed a bit of missing texture in one place that looked like an unclosed sector, apparently >>1638146 has debugged that already.

anyway, nice job, thanks for making it. i'll try to do a demo/webm later...

Has anybody done an actual flashlight in Doom yet?

>>1638383
buttpain

>>1638369

>delving into doom mods for the first time

It's such a good feeling. Play Project MSX after Brutal Doom, then Pirate doom, then go apeshit anon.

>>1638367
>Is it licensed under GPLv2 or the original Doom license?
The former; GPLv2 or later.

>Does it use FMOD or any other closed libraries?
Nope. (That's my biggest beef with ZDoom/Zandronum - I'd rather have no sound at all than have fmod on my system, but the developers don't see it that way. But, I digress.)

Odamex also doesn't distribute modified IWAD graphics - there are very few other GPL ports that can claim this (Chocolate doom is another exception, because it doesn't have a data wad.). prboom.wad, prboom-plus.wad, eternity.pk3, and pretty much everything derived from Boom, all have menu graphics made out of the font from the IWAD, which is technically a GPL violation.

>>1638398

Thankfully, not a single bit of this matters in regards to playability.

>>1638398
>I'd rather have no sound at all than have fmod on my system
Pardon me for being unable to find this on my own, but what's wrong with fmod? I can't find anything online that indicates the problem.

>>1638408
Closed source library that's slow and sounds terrible.

>>1638408
fmod is a completely closed-source binary blob. It could be doing almost anything and the user has no way to know.

Despite what my previous post might lead you to believe I am not a raging GPL zealot. (Well, not much...) But I do think having the source code for all software on my system is of critical importance, just so I have the facility to check it is not doing anything undesirable or against my best interests.

>>1638430
what do you mean with portals?
isnt teleporters the same?

>>1638435
portals are things that let you see one sector when it really isn't there to simulate 3d nonsense

>>1638437
>portals are things that let you see one sector when it really isn't there to simulate 3d nonsense
My mind wants to say that it's like using the real time cameras[think in UTNT First level camera when you open the dungeons] but i know i am wrong as shit so i need to be spoonfeed like a baby

>>1638446
http://zdoom.org/wiki/Sector_SetPortal

>finally finished retexturing and redetailing the METDM01 map
Aw ye
>runs perfectly fine in openGL
Aw ye
>runs bretty good in Software too
Aw ye
>turn a corner and see this
...
>map analysis gives no error reports
FUCK

>>1637934

I consider Thy Flesh Consumed to be more of a purgatory, a ruthless realm between Hell & Earth where not even Satan has any control.

>>1638378
yeah. I didn't think it was bad. But it was hard for me. I wasn't looking for secrets though (generally don't for first runs).

>>1638464
You forgot that Satan isnt even in Doom[you had one damn job id soft,ONE FUCKING JOB] and TFC is a prequel of Doom 2,the end screen even says "next stop,hell on earth" and TFC's base is nearby the first base of Doom 2 where you find out that they are not only building their hellish bases,they are also bringing the hell to earth

>>1638067
>>1638075
poster-dad-threw-away-guy here.

The only reason my dad didn't get murdered is we found out he had leukemia (this was ~1 year after I graduated, so, senior +1)...

Like, dude, I doubt it's worth money, but it's worth a billion feels. Doom fucking raised me.

>>1638474
I'm right there with you brother. My FUCKING STUPID grandma threw out my original box set. So I gave her ass cancer with my mind. Now she's in the cold cold ground and I make a tidy 5 figures in the video game industry. Who's laughing now!*

____
* note to moderators: this post is a joke

>>1638483
Another dad story (he's still alive, btw, leukemia AND lymphoma down, in remission... so maybe my family's prone to fucked up illnesses, but we're some resilient shits)...

"Son, you need to study a real career, you'll never make money in games"

>5ish years later the first million dollar tournaments are coming up in games
>video game companies are earning in the hundreds of millions
>news report about it
>*cold stare*
>"yeah, no, don't say it"

Meanwhile, I have a 4 year degree and work in a research lab (stem cells, regenerative medicine primarily, biotech/bioinformatics), and I still have to live at home to live even remotely comfortably (or get 3ish roomies).

GREAT CALL, NO SERIOUSLY GREAT CALL

>and bad to futilely shitslinging together my first indie title

ahahaha poor TGDD he's still in disbelief

poor guy

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOg0BhlIvyQ#t=66
HOLLLLLLYYYYYYY

>>1638493
>Featuring many current-gen features such as 16x motion blur, bloom lighting and godrays.
What's a godray?

>>1638492
who?

>>1638483
>note to moderators: this post is a joke
I'd have you banned anyway for being this unfunny.

>>1638501
Sorry to hear you were behind the door when God was giving out senses of humor.

>>1638501
I've deleted the post since it bothered you so much.

>>1638497

Rays of light. Pic related.

>>1638520
oh, those things, of course, thank you. i always call them jacob's ladders for some reason.

>>1638378
>i'll try to do a demo/webm later...
okay, here it is in 1:56

>>1638493
Oh wow, a pretty looking area with slow movement speed to try and look more advanced than it really is.

I'll be impressed if it ever actually sees release, but it looks like a derivative survival horror with a bunch of screen filters.

>>1638113

Where can I find HDoom?

>>1636130
>>1638545
Check the first post it is right there.

I have no idea what is happening to my Zandronum. Help?

http://pastebin.com/bYKsp6Jv

Question.

Is it possible for a Skybox to be emitting dynamic light?

>>1638603
why is one of them blue

>>1638113
Why do you guys like Polished Skull so much?

>>1638651
It makes the weapons feel pretty good but I really don't dig the balance changes for things like Archviles and the BFG.

>>1638674
I think he changed that in the latest WIP he posted here.
Still, I dislike how zombies look and act when set on fire (they look fucking stupid, the fact that the minigun has a windup but doesn't fire any faster and only does slightly more damage than the pistol (which can fire as fast as you click). I don't like recoil too much either but I can live with it.

>>1638680
The chaingun does more damage than the pistol per bullet so that's enough to make it better.

I don't recall what the zombies did when they catch on fire.

I also didn't like the SSG nerf.
It was very uncalled for and makes it inferior to the standard SG

pls what mods were used in this?

>>1638687
Complex Doom with Back To Saturn X

>>1638687
>>1638689
I was in that thread, isn't that some survival mod?

>>1638692
It's one of those "make Doom 20000000000000000x harder" mods

>>1638693
and hard doom is better

Do ZDL + Chocolate Doom work together?

>>1638687

sweet mother of gamma

>>1638702

In my experience, they do.

Had an odd issue with Final DOOM though, when booting Chocolate Doom through ZDL; the IWADs use the DOOM II map names in the automap rather than the ones you normally get.
For some reason, the map names displayed just fine when not using ZDL.

>>1638262
Try to play it KB only or with PSX-like controller. It's easier to play Doom (and shooting games in general for me) with KB+Mouse combo.
>>1638087
>I'm not entirely sure what the no sector tags on doors deal is
Door (D1\DR) actions don't require any tag whatsoever because action applies to the sector behind line being used. Though if you want to make door open\close via Switch (S1\SR) or Walk-over (W1\WR) action line, you should provide same tags both for line and sector. Because by default lines and sectors have tag 0 and activating a line's action applies said action to sector with the same tag, basically applying said action on the whole level.
#unnecessarydoommappingrant

What's the big difference between DOS Doom 1's MIDIs and Doom 95's MIDIs? I've been told there was a difference, anyway.

>>1638474
Throwing away childhood video game memories has a direct link to an increased risk of cancer. What kind? All kinds.

You heard it here first, folks.

>>1638087
>Anyway, I'm looking at it again in doombuilder, and I'm not entirely sure what the no sector tags on doors deal is

i don't think there is one. i was able to UVmax the map in doom2 complevel just fine (cf. >>1638528)

>>1638097
>Doors without sector tags: Room with a backpack in it, door next to the mancubus, door to the hell knight room, secret door to teleporter.

all of these doors are manual types which work on the back sector of the line. they don't require a tag.

you're right that the backpack closet does not open from the inside, though.

>>1638713
>#unnecessarydoommappingrant
everything you said is correct, but it does not apply to BloodRiver :-)

>>1638687
>nashgore blood

>>1638603
Anybody?

>>1637961
>SSG is OP
>autosaves ruins the game
I don't agree.

>>1638828

...is there something wrong with it? I'm making a mod with it and it includes the ultimate torment and torture's blood.

>>1638845
Not him but it's pretty over-used and looks comically bad. For something that is/was used so much it looks really stupid

>>1638845
I never paid the blood any attention before, but now that it's been pointed out I can't unsee how goofy those big splotches look popping out at that high angle.

>>1638615
I think it's supposed to be drawfag.
It was from many years ago, when /k/ raided the "Call Of Duty Fanfiction Wiki", the most autistic of wikis.

It was the most hilarious place to raid.

>>1638856

I see, I may change it but I guess it can be a decent placeholder.

Though tunt's blood isn't as gaudy looking as complex's

>>1638858
>>1638856
I like it better than the Brutal Doom gore, and Ketchup.

>>1638891
Stop trying to taint such important advice with /v/irgin bullshit, you fucking whore.

>>1638704
Seriously, what the fuck is up with that. I see it fucking everywhere and it's ugly as sin.

>>1638687
does anyone have a link to that hud?

>>1638825
Oh. I thought for sure vanilla required sector tags for everything. I've been doing it since 1994, and thought this was a modern feature. Never mind then. Sorry.

>>1638975
np. i suggest to take a look at the UDS, section [4-3-2] linedef types, note 5 in particular

http://www.gamers.org/dhs/helpdocs/dmsp1666.html

i highly recommend reading the whole thing. it's a fascinating document if you are interested in doom's technicals. that goes for everyone else here too.

>>1638975
>>1638825

Anyway. Map seems to be fine under chocodoom now. (fixed the visplane error. If you wanted to do it, have at it... This sector in pic related needed rebuilt). Want any credits/music suggestions?

>>1639017
>pic related
I do this half the times I post... Forgot pic.

>>1638912
I wish I knew, so many Newstuff screenshots have that godawful gamma, I thought it was just a glitch with taking screenshots with the sourceport they're playing on, but do they REALLY play with that gamma? It's hideous!

>>1639024

It's the "pro" level of gamma to use since it means you can easily see everything.
It's the same type of mentality that plays with music off and disables skins.

>>1639026
>It's the "pro" level of gamma to use since it means you can easily see everything.
I guess, but it mars the graphics, and it totally fucks the atmosphere. Might as well just play with permanent light-amp goggles or something.

>It's the same type of mentality that plays with music off and disables skins.
What's the fun with that? This all just seems asinine to me.

>>1639035
i turn off music because i don't particularly like it and i usually have mpg123 running in the background anyway

>>1639035
>it mars the graphics
but that makes sense for doom, you spend most of the game orbiting it

>>1639046
http://www.sadtrombone.com/

>hear a lot about OBLIGE
>never bother to try it out
>try it out
>phucking amazed at what a "small", "tech" level can look like

I guess my WAD is going to take a "little" while longer to finish now.

>>1639045
But the music is one of the best parts of Doom!

I made MAP15 for our 200 minute challenge. Did it all and tested it, fixed problems etc. It could alternately be MAP31 but I don't think it's hard enough for that. (It might not even be hard enough for MAP15.)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kbk7usvl2vhboh0/Valley%20of%20Hatred.wad

>>1638026
>>1638029
>>1638030
Doom DID have saves though, and you could just as easily save manually at the start of every level to keep your shit.

The levels are at least PARTIALLY intended to be played in order; they aren't particularly balanced for it but many levels throw a stimpack or two in the introduction room to help out a player who started from a previous level.

How long until someone copypastes everything from Wolf:TNO to Doom?

>>1638054
>Doors with no sector tags and that sort of thing.
Regular doors don't need sector tags, even in vanilla. (Doors activated remotely, however, do, because that's how they work.)

>>1639083
Not bad, I like it.
I just wonder why people don't unpeg the side door textures anymore.

how do I change the values for weapon damage?
I'm trying to make a silenced pistol that can kill zombiemen and shotgunners in one hit, but I don't want to just lower their overall health, because that seems like a cop-out

>>1639083
yes, this is good, i managed to reach both exits

bug: sector 12 doesn't open from one side because linedef 50 is facing the wrong way

i don't see the point of the invulnerability, and there's not enough ammo to get 100% kills from a pistol start. please consider replacing the invulnerability with a berserk box

also i think the secret exit switch (say sector 99) and the secret exit itself (say, sector 101) should both be marked as secret areas.

>>1638398
>prboom.wad, prboom-plus.wad, eternity.pk3, and pretty much everything derived from Boom, all have menu graphics made out of the font from the IWAD, which is technically a GPL violation.
Nope! The GPL says that it's fine to redistribute modified IWAD resources if they are intended to be used with the original IWAD.

This is why KDIZD had new graphics for shit like the Chaingunner and Hell Knights.

>>1639017

Ah, no, just stick it in the hell levels is all I ask. As for credits, I'll just stay anonymous. As for the backpack room, I think I goofed up the door tag, meant it to be one of those open stay things. I think I missed the tag by 1. Thanks for fixing the map, wasn't sure how I'd do it myself.

>>1639140
>Nope! The GPL says that it's fine to redistribute modified IWAD resources if they are intended to be used with the original IWAD.

The GPL says nothing of the sort.

You're thinking of the "Doom WAD licence" or something, I forget what it's called.

But it is certainly not a GPL-compatible licence.

>>1639120
I ran out of time. I don't usually do it when I'm making the doors, I just do it at the end in one big swoop, and I guess I just forgot or ran out of time. You can correct it if it bothers you.

Also I forgot, credit Onslaught Six again. I didn't really put any thought into what music or skies it should have so go with whatever. (I don't know if there's any sky arrangement in this yet or what.)

>>1638474
attaching sentimental value to inanimate objects (even if they're inexpensive) is a completely normal thing to do, just means you're human

>>1639138
I beat it 100% kills pistol start. Punch everything. Punch those demons, punch the former humans, punch the stupid meatball demon. I don't recommend punching the arch vile though.

>>1639138
I fixed those, and took the time out to fix the unpegging. I also threw a few more ammo boxes in but I'm not sure where else I could do that without it feeling forced.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kbk7usvl2vhboh0/Valley%20of%20Hatred.wad

>>1639158
Cathedral of Pain
Valley of Hatred

heh i think you have a naming formula. your next map shall be Warehouse of Suffering

>>1639138
And yeah, you were right on the invul/berserk. I originally did put a berserk there, but then I figured I did that in my last map too, so I wanted to try something different, but berserk works out better in the long game.

I think I have a real problem giving the player a challenge without throwing what I consider pissloads of monsters at them and turning it into a slaughtermap.

>>1639142
Can do (assuming we get enough hell levels).

And np. I dig the map by the way. I reread what I said last night and realized I may have come off dickish. Wasn't my intention if that's how it came through.

>>1639182
Warehouse of Suffering. Get on it.
I also request Tunnel of Love

>>1639182
The joke is that there's nothing suffering about it other than it being yet another warehouse level

Incidentally both of these really sound like TFC-type levels.

I also just realized I was originally going to have a second layer of space between the rock cliffs and blood river but I forgot to do it :(

>>1639176
nobody will do that, they'll just complain the map has no ammo.

>>1639190
I guess Warehouse of Suffering can be the MAP32, the secret-secret? Imagine that, you fight through all the bullshit and then it's literally just a fucking crate maze

>>1639196
There is now an obvious-secret berserk pack in the first room, and like I said I added a few more bullet boxes. Maybe there should be a backpack somewhere...

>>1639190
>I also request Tunnel of Love

>>1639132
You give it a custom attack.

>>1639190
>I also request Tunnel of Love
haha.

Wrong project - that is an HDoom level.

>>1639218

>snaggletoothed lip-biting

No. Fuck you. Stop. Stop that RIGHT NOW. My heart can't take that.

>>1639228
yeah but how would I go about doing that?

>>1639201
Make it a nazi crate maze... Shaped like Hitler.

>>1639241
> Nazi crate maze

Alright that's it

I'm not gonna do it tonight because I'm burned out from today but maybe by the end of the weekend

>>1639236
http://zdoom.org/wiki/A_FireBullets

Do any of you guys have any (preferably high resolution) Doom art/wallpaper?

I'll post the few that I have.

Remember:
Report and ignore.

Shills are trying to viral marketing mods.
Fucking jewish assholes

>>1639305

>>1639306
>That typing style

Well, looks like Donald relapsed.

>>1639307

>>1639314

>>1639319

>>1639305
There are a couple on the image folder in the pasta.
I think there are more in the other image folder that got posted a while ago but noone updated the pasta I think so you'll have the search the archives for it. Shouldn't be hard.

>>1639324

That's all I have.

>>1639326

Thanks for the tip, Anon.

>>1639305

>>1636768
>http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/4cb4/o33ld5c3x6hzoanfg.jpg
Yeah, the scan-line fuck-up is cleaned up better on >>1636586

Somebody, should merge the best of the two.

>>1639342

Thanks!

FORNICATE THYSELF

THOU ART A SODOMITE

YON NECK WOULD MAKE A FINE CHAMBERPOT, THY HEAD MUST BE REMOVED FIRST, ALLOW ME!!

SMITE AND CLEAVE THINE GUTS

I SPIT ON THEE, DEMON!

READ A BOOK!

>>1639352

I'm trying to make brutal doom and this texture pack work together, so I made a batch file that is like

gzdoom.exe doom.wad brutal19.pk3 zdoom-dhtp-20130802.pk3


but it is not working. I also made a "skins" folder and put the higher quality music in there, but it is not working as well.

>>1639346
Done.

I could barely see the fuckup on my monitor after I fixed it. Shitty screen.

>>1639331
imagine this dreadful thing meeting one of alice's cacos and terrifying the heck out of it

>>1639352
bhahaha this is too good
we need a brit to voice it

>>1639352

>>1639365
Yeah, that aughta do it.

>>1639372

or we get Term to use his Parias voice, make him yell all of the lines, add an echo because of the helmet, and make him say everything 400 times more hammy.

>>1639319
I tried reading a warhammer book once. I got a little ways in, and they started talking about a librarium sooooo big noone had ever seen the back of it. And I went "well then who the fuck built it" and stopped reading.

That universe is so overdone to the point of being annoying. Everything in it is the biggest that anything's ever been, or the baddest, or the stronkest. It's became a tedious slog quickly.

Anyway. Just thought I'd rant about that for no reason. Good day.

>>1639376
>or we get Term to use his Parias voice
wait what

Remember:
Report and ignore.

>>1639397

That "REST EN PEEZ" in samsara? That's Term's doing.

Yeah I was surprised too.

>>1639408
I just downloaded Samsara. How do you trigger it? Kill shit?

>>1639414

Hit the taunt button.

>>1639415
Fuck I'm stupid.
Thanks!

>>1639115

All I'm waiting for are for someone to rip those sweet robutts into a model-friendly program

>>1639115
>>1639424

Just rip the whole Moon base level and be gone with it; arguably the best level in the game, aesthetically speaking

>>1639408
>>1639376

I had a cold at the time, though, hence the odd inflection (REZT EN PEES), it's much easier to replicate the Chex Warrior voice I did for the taunt/falling sound.
Still, I tried.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1u5eePxC0fF

While it's still on my mind, I need to at least give Blaz two more subshots, here's what he's got right now:

heavy bombs: Bounces once and explodes -REALLY- hard, scattering shit everywhere, webm related

Cluster missile: Fires a straight flying missile out, on impact it scatters out a bunch of little explosive pellets

scatter shot: a shotgun like blast of bullets that richochet a few times

I need at least another two, I'm thinking about going with:

dumdums: Fire a fat bullet that thuds into a monster, falls to the ground, and detonates after awhile

vulcan cannon: spews out an inaccurate stream of bullets at an irresponsibly fast pace

if you guys have any other ideas that'd work better, I'm listening


>>1639429

Oh god you actually did it

>>1639434
you must be so sick of that field out the back of map01 by now

>>1639442

>You must be so sick of that field where you get to go out and play with your weapons and break shit

NEVER

>>1639448
heheh fair enough.

i mean if i were you i would have whipped up a test arena by now but yeah. you go, girlfriend.

>>1639472

I haven't delved into mapmaking yet, not when there's a million things to do with the gameplay, sounds, sprites, and shit

>>1639359
anyone? I tried google but it seems like I've done all the steps correctly.

>>1639480
also while looking around for help I notice everyone else's brutal doom gets a hud, but mine doesn't. How did I manage that?

Remember:
Shitpost and derail

>>1639359
Just use ZDL.
>>1639493
Post a pic of the hud.

>>1639493
>>1639480
I should probably note; The game launches fine, and it is Brutal Doom too, I am just missing the texture pack and the sound. Is it not possible to launch Doom with multiple .pk3 files?

I don't know about the HUD at all. Sorry for being so new.

>>1639504
No HUD to speak of.

>>1639507
Press -
Also activate alternate hud in the hud options.
Alternatively, get NC-HUD for Brutal Doom. It's pretty nice.

>>1637074
>I didn't receive any response.
sorry, i had looked at it but others intervened :-)

i've had a chance to record it now. time 3:32. part 1/2