/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1573361
His voice in Dissidia is exactly what I expected it to be like. Best villain in Final Fantasy and of the 4th Gen era.

agreed he was truly psychotic. I just listened to the soundtrack at work tonight and I was thinking this is one of those rare perfect games. best final fantasy in my opinion. 7's only competition.

So Kefka x Terra i really a thing...

>>1573391
*is
sorry for typo

Kefka is the best FF villain evar becuz he destroyed teh world and had no real motivation for it!!!1!

I fucking hate people who say things like this and give a bad name to FFVIfans. If they actually had played the game and knew what they are talking about they should say something in lines of Kefka being one of the best villains in the series because he doubles as a comic relief and because we see him gradually getting stronger during the game from being the emperor's errant boy to killing espers and "destroying" the world.

>>1573391
Well I mean he probably raped her.
I wasn't the only one who thought that, right?
I mean he had her mind controlled, and it made Terra's whole "what is love" thing seem less out of nowhere.

>>1573417
Between him and Sephiroth I have serious doubts to the ability of final fantasy fans to follow storylines.
It's like everyone who talks about them on the internet only knows about them because they know a guy who knew a guy who played the game once.

why does ff have such shitty final bosses?
pic related is real final boss

>>1573436
What? Zeromus? Exdeath? Kefka?

I actually think Zeromus is terrible because hes kind of popped out of no where. Exdeath and Kefka are fine, but their motivations are terrible because they're really just doing it for no reason.

The Emperor was a bad person. He created the monster that is Kefka.

Frankenstein's jester.

>>1573446
Keflavik did it because he was insane.
And he was insane because of the early Mage experiments fucking him in the head. Sure it's cliche, but it's simple and well laid out.

mfw my favourite ff, ff9, has the worst final boss in jrpg history.

>>1573417
>Kefka is the best FF villain evar becuz he destroyed teh world and had no real motivation for it!!!1!
>I fucking hate people who say things like this and give a bad name to FFVIfans
Tell me about it. These people literally make me want to commit sudoku for liking FFVI and Kefka as a character.

>>1573427
It's very questionable whether these people have even played the games before talking shit about them or their characters or even know that friend of a friend who did. I have talked with Kefka "fans" that act like they played the game and they didn't know that Terra was half Esper or how Kefka went through the magitech process before it was perfected.

>>1573472
Trust me, Sephyfags are a lot worse.

Kefka is merely a crazy nihilist. His speech before the final battle gives that away.

>>1573483
Isn't like 90% of the FF fanbase misguided about their favourite characters?

>Cloud is emo
>Terra is emo
>Kefka is lolrandum
etc.

Even non-fans are parroting those opinions when wanting to denounce the games (i.e. shitpost).

>>1573494
It's pretty much how it is everywhere in life, the most vocal ones usually spout the most nonsense.

>>1573494
Well in those particular examples it might be that they simply remember a few very strong scenes about a character rather than how they were as a whole.
Terra DOES spend a pretty unreasonable amount of time being sad about things.

>>1573494
>Cloud is emo
This is a massive fucking retcon.

Cloud was a fucking excellent protaganist.
>Girlfriend going to Don Corneos Mansion
>BETTER FUCKING CROSSDRESS TO GET IN THERE

>Literally becomes retarded for a part of the game by falling into a FUCKING STREAM OF SOULS that the planet uses to repair itself
>UNRETARDS himself and doesn't even acknowledge the fact he was retarded

>Snowboards like a boss
>Gets on motorcycles and kicks the shit out of people
>Wears a fucking onesie like a bad ass
>Uses lines like "Let's mosey"
>Meteor going to destroy earth
>Lets go chocobo racing and jerk each other off in the Gold Saucer

Cloud is probably the single greatest protaganist

>>1573446
Final fantasy 4 is a really underrated plot. There is a lot of "cant and mouse" and saving the damsel. But in the end there is a message about redemption. No one in that game is entirely evil, except zeromus who is literally evil embodied.

>>1573518

>>1573518
>>1573525
We're getting a bit off topic, but in duodecim Cloud's 12 characterization almost felt like squenix was mocking themselves about this
>girlfriend is working for the other side
>better challenge satan to a 1v1

>>1573524
I always saw FF4 as having a simple but elegant, rather basic plot. It's a classic fantasy story with a knight in shining armor protagonist, and I have a big weakness for those.

>>1573518
You, I like you.

>>1573539
Its about redemption and about everyone having its evil and good side, thus being worth of forgiveness.
Cecil was a bad guy, but then redeemed himself by becoming a paladin.
Kain often let himself be controlled by the dark side (due to his jealousness of cecil) but then reedemed himself by helping him in vanquishing golbez.
Golbez also reedemed himself on the last parts of the game by helping cecil and fusoya.
Its kinda of an ying yang thing going in there:
Theres no absolute evil and no absolute good.
Except zeromus.

More than his value as a character, what I really love about K is the way he is employed storytelling-wise:

He's sort of the first villain figure in the story, and you see him quite a lot, so you eventually start to outgrow his menace; you obviously have it in for him for all the moustache-curling shit he pulls, but you sort of meta-label him as a stepping stone, someone who's there to get his ass kicked until you get to the real thing.

Then, by the moment shit hits the fan and you realize he's actually the Big Bad (because nobody who played the game back then, NOBODY, saw it coming), the game doesn't really need characters or cutscenes discussing how much of a ruthless evil guy he is, or how is he driven by unstoppable hatred and insanity. You know the guy; you know EXACTLY what he is capable of as a villain; it all clicks together, and you realize it's you who's the butt of the joke now, and you're thousands of miles away from being in any position to stop him.

BTW anons, I didnt finish final fantasy 6. I will start playing it right away. What is the best version? They say the gba version is good but lacks good sound. While the ps1 version has good sound but loading issues.
Wich one brings the best experience? I wouldnt mind 2 or 5 seconds of loading time before battles (wich is the average time of loading on most square ps1 rpgs).

>>1573565
If you don't mind emulatin', go for some good fan-translation of the FFVI snes rom.
The PSX version has a very nice encyclopedia feature (to check stealable items and such), but you don't really need it nowadays what with the internets and such.

>>1573565
GBA games with color/sound patches (color may not be an issue and I'm remembering it wrong).
You could probably also play the SNES version with some bug fix patches, if you really wanted.

>>1573565
Personally I'd suggest the original SNES version but I'm sure someone is going to tell me how I'm wrong and the GBA version is better after applying shitloads of patches to it. However avoid the PSX version it has annoying load times before and after the battles that really kill the gameplay.

>>1573578
>go for some good fan-translation of the FFVI snes rom.
Is there one?
I don't want William Shatner and cartoony snarky Golbez again.
Woolsey FTW.

>>1573565

Just go with original SNES. The bugs are just exploity, not game breaking, and the old translation is charming. I've played both the SNES version back in the day, the GBA version and of course an emulated SNES version. Always prefer the sound and look of the SNES one.

>>1573597
One of the stats literally doesn't work and you can one shot everything ever.
Plus Sketch can fuck up a ridiculous amount of things and you can lose interceptor too.
I won't argue against the SNES scripts charm, but at least advise on some bugfixes.

>>1573604
That Rippler bug is still in the GBA version IIRC. The only significant GBA-exclusive bug is Imp protection working for all statuses against stuff like Bad Breath.

>saw this thread at the middle of catalog
>+ 1post
>on the top
Is /vr/ truly slowest board in 4chan? Is this thread going to have like 2 months and be at page 10 without any reply from week?

>>1573446
Dude Exdeath is a tree. He doesn't have to give you a fucking reason. If he did that wood be out of character.

>>1574383
>Is /vr/ truly slowest board in 4chan?

Ahaha, no. /po/ is way slower. And /3/ ain't too fast either IIRC.

>>1574461
Exdeath has a reason. He just wants to wreck everything.

>>1574383
Boards like /jp/ or /i/ are slower.

>>1574461
Dem trees, man.

>>1573446
Exdeath had a reason, he was basically a bunch of void demons imprisoned in a tree and wanted to cast everything into the Void for them to return to it. So while it is barely explored in the game, he had a purpose beyond "JUST BECAUSE I'M SO EVIL/SAD/WACKY"

He's the best underrated villain tho. So goofy and hammy yet still intimidating. Best villain theme in the series too

>>1574461
Lumberjack should really have been a job class.

>>1574461
I've always wanted to know Exdeath's motivation.
He just doesn't really seem to have one. I get it: he wants to return things to the void. But why? What does he have to gain from doing it or lose from not doing it? He can't even plead insanity as his motivation (as Kefka/Sephy both can). It's entirely bizarre.

>>1573524
>>1573539
>>1573553
If you played only the English-language version, I could understand thinking the plot was poor and Zeromus came out of nowhere. I did, too. However, as I understand it, chunks of dialogue and exposition were trimmed from the English-language release because of rom size limitations or something (or some other reason entirely, idklol), rendering the story simple, with plot holes and having a villain that appears from thin air.

>>1573562
>by the moment shit hits the fan and you realize he's actually the Big Bad (because nobody who played the game back then, NOBODY, saw it coming)
Many people DID figure out Kefka being the big bad before finishing the game thanks to the map that came with the game which not only spoiled the world getting ruined also had Kefka's tower listed as the last place to visit in world of ruin.

>>1574494
Surely we've all played at least one of the many, many IV remakes by now if you liked it in the first place.

>>1573436
I prefer either gentlemanly villains. I've yet to play a video game with one as the main antagonist. A gentlemanly villain might be one whose ultimate goal is good, but the methods s/he utilises to achieve those ends are not. One who honestly wishes to help the world but will kidnap, maim and murder along the way to do it. A person willing to sacrifice many to save many more. An absolutist. Chaotic good, maybe?
I just would like an antagonist that forces the protagonist (and the player for that matter) to question whether or not the antagonist's view is entirely or ultimately bad.

>>1574494
>>1574490
>people used to deal with demons, monsters, criminals and shit by throwing them into the Void
>necromancer Enuo trades his immortality to gain control over the Void and starts tossing people into it at a whim
>some heroes defeat Enuo and people decide that the Void better be sealed so its powers no longer could be used for evil
>they split the world because crystals, the Void is trapped in the interdimensional rift
>instead of the Void, people start using a huge tree in Moore as a superprison, sealing all sorts of baddies inside it
>eventually the malevolent souls within the tree develop common consciousness and become X-Death, the destroyer of worlds
>X-Death sets out to return everything into the Void so that all the malevolent souls that were ever imprisoned by humanity could reunite there and rule everything
deepest lore

>>1574527
Honestly? I've not played any but the first English-language SNES game. Not the PSX ver. Not the GBA ver. And I've yet to get very far in the DS remake because that voice acting and script are fuckawful to me.
I only know the SNES ver. I can't into moon or I'd otherwise play that one.

>>1574539
That sounds strikingly similar to the motivation for a villain from a children's cartoon I used to watch in the 80s. I don't remember the name of the cartoon but the villain was named Kukkurukku which sounds a lot like our onomatopoeia for a rooster's call (rendering said villain's name rather memorable).
Rather than returning everything to a Void or something of the sort, however, Kukkurukku wanted to end all malevolence and violence by removing free will.

Unrelated, but I think the English onomatopoeia for a rooster's call is weird. Cock-a-doodle? That sounds like a designer dog breed.

>>1574494
You want to know more about Exdeath and his motives?

Your party in FF5 are not the original heroes, you're the guys sent in AFTER those guys (Galuf, Dorgan, Zeza and Kelgar) couldn't stop him. And let's not disrespect those original guys, they literally moved heaven and earth to try and put a stop to him. You see, for a starters Exdeath can't die, the first heroes reduced him to splinters but he just kept coming back. Then when they realized this they sealed him up instead - in not one, not two, not three, but ALL FOUR elemental crystals. Then, just to be DOUBLY sure they SPLIT THE WORLD INTO TWO SEPARATE DIMENSIONS plus a secret third dimension containing the void force that would allow Exdeath the ability to kill everything everywhere forever.

Normally when that sort of shit is pulled, the sealed evil stays sealed for around 100+ years, usually a thousand or so. EXDEATH WAS OUT AND ABOUT IN LESS THAN FIFTY.
He then proceeded to undo everything the original heroes did in about a month, all the while casually killing off those heroes, most of the time not even noticing their presence.
They don't go easy either: the last one survives going down to -2000 hp and throws spells so gamebreakingly powerful we aren't allowed them in game at Exdeath in an attempt to kill him.
He literally just shrugs it off, and wanders away as that last hero dies so hard not even life3 or phoenix down can revive him.

He then goes on to gain the power to destroy everything everywhere forever and only loses because he hasn't realized (like his predecessor Enuo before him) that by gaining this power he can now die, and by the time he notices, he's already taken too much damage to kill of those second heroes he has been pretty much ignoring the whole time.

tl;dr: That tree motherfucker is one of the best villains of all time. I mean, what other villain has a 13 floor castle built out of human corpses?

>>1574554
Was the cartoon Unico? Also, are you Russian?

>>1574580
The world was split after Enuo was defeated and before Exdeath was born; in fact, making Exdeath's creation possible because they started using a tree in Moore instead of the Void to imprison demons. You have good taste though

So basically V is championing the dual causes of environmentalism and capital punishment.
A noble goal.

>>1574580
>reduced to splinters

ALL PART OF HIS MASTER PLAN, BITCHES

>>1574584
Turns out it was! But no, I'm not Russian.
I can only find English-language Unico websites. The sites call the villain Kuruku and don't discuss how he was violently abused by malevolent men and that's why he wants to destroy free will (so malevolence and violence don't exist anymore and no one else can get hurt like that again). Is the English-language version of the cartoon edited to make it simpler for Burgerbabbies?
I know they cut out like 30 minutes of the first English-language release of Nausicäa because they thought American kids wouldn't get the environmentalist, humanist and compassionate themes of the story.

>>1574642
So where are you from? Poland?

>>1573597
The sketch bug is extremely game breaky, but that can be avoided with the correct ROM.

>>1573487
Was that why he volunteered for the experiments? Was this his plan all along?

>>1573418

I always pictured Kefka as being completely asexual only occasionally being annoyed by his pants getting tighter upon watching someone writhing in pain.

>>1573418
Lay off the hentai doujins. At the very least, stop applying what you see there to video games.

>>1574907
>>1574881
>>1574748
His balls could have fallen off after his magicite trials and left him a eunuch. That is why the emperor entrusted him with slave collar Terra but then why would Vicks and Wedge be entrusted with her. They probably had a timeline and she was not worth much after they got everything right.

>>1574494
>If you played only the English-language version, I could understand thinking the plot was poor and Zeromus came out of nowhere. I did, too. However, as I understand it, chunks of dialogue and exposition were trimmed from the English-language release

Unless someone who has played the original Japanese version of FFIV tells me what those chunks of dialogues were I'm going to continue saying that Zemus is the worst asspull in the entire series and has absolutely no reason to want to conquer the "Blue Planet" by force instead of waiting them to catch up technology wise to them like the other Lunarians are doing. Also shouldn't Zemus be mad at Lunarians about the sleeping for thousands of years thing instead? Weren't they the ones who put him to sleep DUE to his unexplained desire to conquer the Blue Planet for Lunarians in the first place?

>>1574494
>>1575975
People having been playing blaming IV's sorry plot on the IIUS translation since the beginning, but after the fan translation, the PS translation, the GBA translation, the DS translation and the PSP translation, it's time to just pony up and admit it was never really a good story to begin with.

>>1574907
No seriously, but are there any hentai doujins for that scene? Just out of curiosity.

>>1576178
I fucking love FFIV and it's story apart from Zemus and his motivations being completely unexplained and the being brought up at the last possible moment. It's also worth noting that while some other FF villains (Ultimecia in particular) have been unfairly criticized for the exact same thing but they actually had motives and background to them unlike Zemus who has more or less gotten a free pass from everyone. Hell, after Dissidia came out we now have a generation of gamers that knows that Golbez is the big bad in FFIV and that FF1 always has had a character called Warrior of Light in it instead of four random guys who called themselves the Light WarriorS.

But yea you are right the about stories in FF games not being that good to begin with. For example even if I like FFIV and it's story I have to admit it's retarded:
>We must protect the crystals!
>Whoops, we failed!
>WAIT! We forgot about the secret crystals underground!
>Oops, Golbez beat us at it again.
>Oh noes, he summoned a tower which goes to... the moon. <--This is were everything goes full retard
>Luckily for us we just wished for a whale which will fly us there!
>We went to moon just to learn that there now is some random robot at earth causing chaos from some random old geezer we just met on the moon!
>Then we went back to earth inside said robot to blow it up!
>Then we learned that Cecil is a space orphan and Golbez is his brother!
>We also learned there is some random guy at moon that no one has ever heard of that is also responsible for anything bad that has ever happened!
>Let's go to the moon again to kill him!
>Wait, there is the final boss. Who the fuck are you and WTF are you doing?
>No matter lets kill him!
>And everyone lived happily ever after. Except Golbez who went off with a moon people. The End.

The plots of FF games have always been written by monkeys but that never kept me from enjoying them.

>>1573604
The bugs are either avoidable or can be mitigated. I put hundreds of hours into FF6 as a kid and the bugs were never an issue.

>>1575975
Zemus considered humans to be basically animals and didn't want to wait when he could just exterminate them.