/vr/ - Retro Games

I like CRTs.

>>1557142
me too, anon

>>1557142
me three
I've got a sweet trinitron, all the women go crazy when I show them close-up shots of my pixels

What do you guys usually talk about in CRT threads?

>>1557180

CRTs

>>1557180
CRTs

>>1557180
just take a look at the old one

>>1557180
Sometimes cathodes.
Sometimes rays.
Sometimes tubes.

Never all three though.

bringing over >>1557089
my reply to you is, I guess i'll find one of these on ebay for cheap then
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103468

>>1557183
>>1557184

A guy on Craigslist is selling this 17" NEC Multisync in good condition for $50. Worth getting? Or is that too much?

>>1557262
Not all Multisyncs sync down to 15kHz. Actually I believe most don't. Find out the exact model number first.

>>1557271

It's FE771SB.

>>1557262
>>1557271
>>1557272

I just looked it up.

It's 30khz to 70 khz horizontal. Is this a good or bad thing? I don't have much technical knowledge about CRTs.

>>1557294
If it won't do 15 kHz you can't hook up standard consoles to it. 30-70 makes it a standard PC monitor.

>>1557127
It's an okay PC monitor, would probably work well at emulating, but not for actual hardware.

>>1557310

Oh ok. While I was going to use it for older PC games, I was going to hook my Dreamcast up to it too. Thanks for the heads up.

>>1557326
Dah, the dreamcast will work fine on it. Get the vga adapter.

Everyone else is talking about older consoles that don't support higher res.

>>1557326

Dreamcast will work fine with VGA.

I just got a CRT monitor and I want to know how to caliberate it properly.

First off, should sRGB be on or off? When it's on I can't really change many settings so I assume it should be off.

Second, what should the color temperature be set at?

And lastly, I don't understand these highlighted settings too much. If someone can better explain them, that would be nice. I'm currently emulating and when I reset, the bottom one goes to 7 and the top stays at 0.

>>1557334

Moire?
You'll see it if it happens. The controls are just to fix pic related if you see it.

>>1557343
So if theres warping issues, I just have to reset it so it autofixes? ok.

>>1557351
If there are problems with the picture (Lines not straight, warping, etc), then fuck with the controls to see what they do.

Unlike tv's, tube monitors have a bunch of controls to let you adjust it.

>>1557294
It's good for emulation on PC

>>1557127
What's /vr/ think of it?

>>1557412
Put a shirt on.

>>1557412
clean that shit up also put on a fucking shirt

>>1557334
If your using black frame insertion or black lines to get 240p resolution at 31khz, then you want to set the color temperature to max to counteract the 50% brightness loss. It will be quite bright when you do that.

>>1557414
do you mean setting the color temperature to max, which for me is 9300k? currently I have sRGB off and have the red/green/blue values all at 100 with the temperature at 6500k.

>>1557412
literally reported

>>1557414
Color temp isn't the only way to control gamma/contrast/brightness on a monitor. I have no idea why anyone would think to bump color temp instead of using a more appropriate setting.

That's actually one of the weirdest things I've read in these threads.

>>1557412
>take picture of CRT
>don't notice my naked body reflected on the screen
>post it on 4chan
>tfw when this happens

>>1557415
>>1557419
>>1557416

Lol I did not even think about the reflection
And it's a bit dirty cause I just now got it. Sorry bout that chiefs.

>>1557426
C'mon Jared. I thought we taught you better.

>>1557423
Increasing brightness only washes out the blacks, increasing color temp to max actually makes the screen shine brighter. Some monitors have a "SuperBright" mode that does exactly this.

>>1557424
Hahaha yeah it's pretty funny now realizing it, whatever I ain't mad I never wear a shirt at home anyways. I'm amused though.

>>1557430
Haha nah, I like /vr/ so if I was going to look like a jackass on any board I'm happy it was here
Anyways, can anyone recommend the best settings for some colorful games like plok?

>>1557419
On mine, there's 9300k, 6500k, and User Preset which can be set to be brighter than the previous two when maxed out. For regular desktop use, I just use 6500k for natural colors, for 240p/480i emulation I use maxed out user preset for maximum brightness and vibrant color and more blooming on scanlines.

>>1557429
You use contrast and balance that with brightness.

Using color temp to compensate for anything other than ambient lighting conditions or matching content created under specific color temp conditions is legitimately strange.

>Some monitors have a "SuperBright" mode that does exactly this.
That's just like Vivid mode on Sony TVs, and it doesn't *just* bump color temp to max. These generic, catch-all settings are retarded more often than not.

Other anon, don't max out color temp to compensate for the dim side-effects of an artificially-scanlined image. Bump your gamma in another way.

>>1557447
No other method I've seen actually increases the luminosity of the screen. It works great on my end of 240p emulation.

>>1557447
>You use contrast and balance that with brightness.

That does nothing except make the image dimmer. The image needs to actually burn brighter to compensate lost brightness

>>1557447
I have my brightness set to 42, and that is the perfect brightness according to pic related.

If I add in scanlines via a filter (interlacing.cg), the picture gets darker, undesirably so, but upping the brightness doesn't really fix it (the blacks are not true blacks anymore, meaning Ive set the brightness too high.

messing with the color temperature doesnt really do much either. there seems to be very little difference in 6500k and 9300k.

>>1557482
Your monitor doesn't have a user preset color temp? I can make mine massively brighter than even 9300K, which nicely compensates the lost brightness.

SIDEWAYS VIDEOGAMES

>>1557490
it seems 9300k is the highest it goes. it goes up and down in intervals of 100, and goes down to values below 6500k, but it wont go higher than 9300k. and like I said, I see very little difference between 6500k and 9300k.

>>1557495
My brain hurts ha

>>1557478
Increase contrast and play with color saturation, not color temp

>>1557481
That's not what color temp does at all.

>>1557482
You are calibrating for pre-usage conditions and compensating under actual usage conditions with a totally unrelated setting. Contrast is no longer ideal under usage conditions so your pre-usage calibration is moot.

The reasdon you're seeing little difference between color temps is because color temp is *not* intended to compensate for brightness issues under different lighting conditions, it's for compensating for the effects of external coloration due to ambient light.

>>1557495
>flag facing down
>image cropped right at the base of the monitor
>shadow at the top of the monitor
>vertical picture
That made my eyes go all funny.

>live in extremely rural area
>nearest city/town is hours away
>someone on craigslist is selling a late 90s sony for $20
>jump on it
>only has composite
>geometry is slightly fucked up, not enough for it to be a huge issue but just enough for it to be noticeable and slightly annoying
>no discernable way to adjust anything.

Fuck.

Are we allowed to talk about other things non video game related here? I have a CRT but it only takes s-video and I was wondering if anyone had an idea for watching movies on it? Preferably through USB since I'm not trying to start a dvd/vhs collection...

>>1557412
Put a goddamn shirt on, Jared.

You're on the internet.

>>1557514
Well it does very noticbly increase brightness on my end so you're wrong about that

>>1557590
It's changing white point. Blue "looks" brighter than red. That is what your brain is fooling you into believing. You would have better results using other settings unless your tube is dying.

And nothing you observe will contradict the reality that switching between color temps is a backasswards way to manipulate your display's overall output.

>>1557597
It IS fucking brighter, it does not just "look" brighter. It puts out way more fucking light than 6500K and 9300K do. This is how it is on a Dell e771p and I'm not going to sit here and argue about it.

>>1557614
That's wonderful. You sound happy so continue ignoring your contrast setting in favor of shifting your white point around.

>>1557618
My contrast setting is already maxed, there's nothing that can be done about that except decrease it, which is not desirable. Brightness does nothing except brighten the blacks.

>>1557627
That's a shame. How many hours do you have on that monitor?

Don't touch brightness.

>>1557614
6500k makes whites white because 6500k is the white standard. Anything above that makes whites look bluish, which our eyes wrongly perceive as brighter. Anything below makes whites reddish. That being said 9300k is already crazy inaccurate, so I can't even imagine anything past it. And no, it doesn't change light output, it just makes everything bluish, which, for some reason, we see and think "brighter" unless we're trained not to. To be about as clear as I can be, high color temperature does not affect light output; it makes whites blue, reds purple, greens "blue-green", blues oversaturated, yellows green, and like wise to any other color. It makes everything appear as though it's seen through a blue tinted window. Without your color temperature at 6500k, you will also be setting every other setting wrongly, to a bluish standard as opposed to a white one. Instead of changing color temperature to an inaccurate standard, keep it at 6500k and adjust the appropriate settings for light output accordingly (brightness, contrast). Most concerned with their brightness, upon seeing an accurate test pattern, will actually find that it's set too HIGH anyway.

tl;dr
>2014
>not using 6500k

Can I get some info on this TV?

It's a Sony Trinitron KV-1370r

Found it today at a thrift store, and I'm replacing a shitty APEX with it.

It still has Mono sound though. Oh well.

>>1557695
I use 6500K under all ambient lighting conditions because I don't have stupid blue or white lighting anywhere near my displays, only sunlight during the day and soft yellow home lights at night. If I did have white lights, I'd probably be forced to increase color temps so the image wouldn't appear reddish or yellowish...but definitely not as a means of dealing with a dark picture.

>>1557717
>>1556939
What else do you want to know about it?

Maybe you can play some NES or something on it, take some pics, and show something off here in the thread instead of asking others about it.

>>1557717
I used to own a very similar one.
Be careful with changes within the electric voltage, tends to screw the tube and wash the colors

>>1557729
Crap... I foolishly assumed that everybody viewed under optimal lighting conditions (dark besides a dim light behind the monitor). And you've just expressed why those conditions are considered optimal: ambient light can change the relative redness/blueness of a picture.

>>1557614
I also want to add that I'm not trying to say that I don't believe you when it comes to your picture looking brighter. It's just that it's kind of hard to defy your eyes saying "that's brighter" when the image is really bluer if you aren't either an enthusiast who can't help but notice that blueness. Trust me, though: once a person gets used to a well-calibrated image, for them, there's no going back. At least that's my experience.

>>1557478
>shadow mask

>>1557478
>gunbird
>vga out

Muh negro.

>>1557614

Color temperature does fuck all for actual brightness and that's a simple physical fact.

All it does it shift the TV's entire color gamut towards red or blue. If you adjust it so that more of the displayed colors in the particular content you're viewing are pushed into the green/blue range, then it may look brighter due to the eye's higher sensitivity to those wavelengths. The actual light output is not affected and your colors would be all off.

>>1557751
please ignore the
>either
that I typed by mistake

woops

>>1557757

Well fuck.
That second bit was supposed to be for >>1557495

I'm kinda new when it comes to the quality of a CRT, but do the round screen CRTs usually have overscan problems, or are there ones that don't have that?

>>1557180
CRT's

>>1557180
CRTs

>>1557785
They're all going to have overscan, save maybe some particular pvm or other.

What do I do if I have a tilted/off-center image and my TV doesn't have any accessible controls for adjusting it? Do I have to open up the back and potentially risk electrocution to fix it?

The TV in question is a Sony KV-27S40.

>>1557868
Probably. You might also be able to use an outboard image processor of some kind to shift the image around, but those tend to introduce lag.

>>1557868
Your yoke is twisted mong. Undo the metal yoke clamp, orient the picture so it's good, then clamp it down again hoss. Make sure that if it has good convergence that you don't graze those rings and un-align them, you'll have quite the time getting them all back haha.

>>1557334
I use and heartily recommend Eizo's MonitorTest.

Whats better for retro games? Sony or Panasonic?

>>1557717
I've got a similar little Trinitron I paid 99 cents for and I love it although you can notice some differences between it and a 2003 Wega I also got for 99 cents.

I took some pics of them side by side and posted them last year you can check them out at
https://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/941195/#968098

>>1558269

Depends on the individual model.

>>1558025

Okay, here's a picture I got of it using the test suite thing on a Dreamcast. What seems to be the problem exactly? And just to be clear, I will have to open up the TV to do this, yes? While it's turned on?

>>1558291

And here's the yoke. Anything about it look off? pls respond

>>1558405

Have you discharged it?

Sorry for the somewhat long-winded post, and the poor english for technical terms.

I own an old european arcade cabinet, which I'm currently repairing. I'm having some kind of troubles with the CRT, actually... I had to change the high voltage unit, and since then the screen doesn't seem to work.
When I power on the cabinet, there's only a tiny white dot in a corner of screen for a second, and then the screen remains black. And the "ass" of the tube, as well call it, doesn't glow at all, yet I hear the high-pitched noise of something indicating me that it's somehow running.

What do?
Pic related, it's my CRT.

>>1558432

Yep.

I don't miss that shit. I actually have very good eyesight.

>>1558291

Did a lot of TVs have overscan like this? I've noticed that some games seem to compensate for it by not using the very bottom portion of the screen for much, sometimes even just having black there.

>>1558280
the image links there are broken

>>1558608
Most CRT TVs have some degree of overscan on all sides.

>>1558745
As do LCDs also. It's just less noticeable.

Is that Jared guy with the older Sylvania TV still here? Someone's got a similar one up on Craigslist and I want to know how good it is and what kind of inputs it has.

>>1558758
I think you're talking about me? The shirtless guy who forgot that reflections exist.
I could take some quick pictures of it without me reflecting back if you'd like.

>>1558783

Yes, please. Be sure to get the inputs. Does it have s-video?

>>1558789
I'm not good with the settings so I'm not going to try to make it look good.
Here's the front

>>1558972
That's the only hookup spot

>>1558972
The phone camera makes the screen not look too good, not saying it looks awesome but it's better than what it seems.

>>1558972
>>1558985

RF only? Eh. How is the sound?

>>1558972
>RF
enjoy your ultimate '80- early '90 experience

Does the size of the screen affect the visibility of the scanlines? Should you be able to discern individual lines on a consumer grade 9" screen?

>>1559625
Scanlines are always present due to the way old TVs work; the separation of the pixels is sometimes construed as scanlines as well. That depends on if your TV used a shadow mask or aperture grill (how close the dot pitch is and the amount of black between).

/g/ here, I've got a FW900 and it's great for modern games/emulation, but how well will it work for old consoles? Is it worth it to look for a TV?

>>1559690
It's a shadow mask. But what I mean is that if I plug a NES into it, the scanlines are no more visible than if I plug a PC into it and run a NES emulator at 480i. I was wondering if the thickness of the lines doesn't always scale proportionally with the size of the screen, making the space in between them less visible on a screen that size.

>>1559696

Nice choice, FW900 brother.

Unfortunately, the monitor doesn't sync 15kHz, so it won't work with retro consoles. You should seek out a nice TV, preferably a Trinitron.

>>1559137
The sounds pretty good, playing spawn again for the first time in years was enjoyable. I'm excited to play plok again too when I come back from uni after finals. It's a good tv I think
>>1559421
Thanks my dude

Anyone?

>>1559725
240p is 480i with the odd and even fields laid down on top of one another don't listen to that guy. However, it's quite possible the the bloom on your 9" consumer TV obscures them completely.

My 1987 13" Trinitron doesn't really show them, but my 2004 13" Wega does, though they're pretty insignificant via composite. On my 20" PVM they pop like a motherfucker even via composite.

>>1558972

Not sure I've ever seen RF look that nice.

Also, do the knobs on front adjust the picture and geometry? That'd be great for someone like me who's terrified of getting electrocuted while doing internal adjustments with the TV on.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEC-CT-2505A-25-Color-Television-S-N-3528-/380707939540?pt=Televisions&hash=item58a3f624d4

Damn, this thing looks sexy as hell. Too bad there's no s-vid.

Best TV I've ever had. But holy fuck is it heavy (even for a CRT).

I really like the look of older televisions, the ones like pic related. In my mind the more buttons and knobs the better. Problem is, I prefer to _at least_ have composite input, which these kinds of TV's usually don't have.
So I as of you this, are there any TV's with composite/component/S-video (american here) with the feel of a jumbo jet cockpit. Alternatively, would it be possible for me to shove a different TV inside the case of one that does, while keeping the functionality of the controls and adding the extra inputs of the newer tube? Or would it be easier (being a relative term here) to add those inputs to the existing set.

I've got a CRT with component inputs, and I really want to play my Genesis with some cleaner video output. However, I heard that the Genesis 2 and the X'Eye (which I have) both output RGB naively. So, all I wanted to know is:
Is it worth it? It seems like the only way to get a Genesis AV out with RGB is via a SCART connection, and SCART->component boxes are rather expensive. If it really looks that much better, than I'm all for it, but can someone who's done it say it really looks that much better?
And as a side note, why are Component->RGB adapters so cheap but the other way around so much more expensive?

>>1560129
Assuming you're an american, its fairly easy to mod a genesis for component. Though personally I would only do it with a first-run model 1, or that X'Eye you have. If you dont want to mod your system, then that scart > component is your best bet.

As for the video quality, there is a very noticeable difference, although from what I hear going to component will make some visual effects stop working (waterfall in sonic for instance). Personally I would recommend S-video instead if possible.

>>1560129
listen to the phone-dork

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZakQhQbjbRU

Dell/Sony Trinitron 21 inch. I should have never gotten rid of it.

Got it from a hospital basement storage.

why are cockpit's always the best arcade machines?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgDdexv--ZA

cockpits, motorcycles, that one game with the chair that moves around,
>*cough* *cough* outrun *cough*
and other gimmicky pieces of shit are all welcome.

>>1559625
At any one constant resolution, the larger the display showing an image will have bigger scanlines than a smaller display showing that same image.

>>1560129
I bought the thing.
Scart cable and transcoder.

You definitely see the difference in the picture, it's just a matter of whether you care that much or not.

For what it's worth, I don't regret getting it. Going back to composite just looks blurry and shitty once you're used to the RGB. Then again, you could just about get a wii and have component out for about the same price.

>>1560129
You should be able to pic up a CSY-2100 SCART RGB to RCA Component converter for about $60 on Ebay. You'll either need a breakout cable or mod the thing with sound jacks to get sound since it doesn't have sound jacks. I added a 3.5mm TRS plug to mine and it works great.

>>1559962
nice for a c.1985 TV but that is an unreasonable price for its functionality, condition, and incompleteness

Is the seller expecting someone to pick it up as a collection piece of something? Crazy.

>>1560583

>Is the seller expecting someone to pick it up as a collection piece of something?

Many do, they think people buy them not to use them as TVs or Monitors, but as plain decoration just to look "retro-vintage". Some wonder why they can't sell them and throw them away.

>>1560590
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEC-CT-2505A-25-Color-Television-S-N-3528-/380707939540?pt=Televisions&hash=item58a3f624d4

Ahaha, mesa arizona. That's one of our local idiots.

I'll bet you that tv was rescued out of a trashcan or given away for free.

>>1560112
Maybe a pro monitor like a PVM would work if you're going for a full "command center" look with proper inputs. I can't think of a TV new enough to have component inputs that looks like something out of the '70s or '80s. (By the late '80s-early '90s, the streamlined black look was already in vogue for consumer TVs.)

>76
I'm almost afraid to go check it out.

>>1560694
hnnnng

>>1560694

>76 years old monitors
>CRTs from 1938

What? Are they oscilloscope and Radar stuff or something?
Well if that's radar stuff, that's actually REALLY cool!

>>1560732
I think they mean there are 76 of them.

>>1560112
>Or would it be easier (being a relative term here) to add those inputs to the existing set.
Yes, but you need to study the entire schematic and specifications of the inputs you want to add to make sure that everything is alright.
You need to add switches to enable each input along with it's audio input and bypass the video signal over the tuner (RF->Audio/CVBS) or Y/C separation (CVBS->Y/C) or chroma processor (Y/C->RGB).

So after the degauss button didn't work. And the drill trick didn't work I ordered a degaussing coil. I have someone telling me if those didn't work then it isn't a issue with the monitor being magnetized. But I think he's wrong considering I can make the discolored areas go in different areas and clean up some areas just can't make it go away completely. If it were a calibration issue I would assume the error would be constant but its not. Then again this guy though simply pressing the degauss button would fix it even though I've read a bunch of testimonies that sometimes it is too much for it to fix or the coil in the tv is actually broken. Gonna have to wait and see when the degauss coil comes.

Is he right though? Could it be a calibration issue? I really doubt it considering that if it were I wouldn't be able to fix most of it with the drill.

>>1560580
Does SCART carry sound data too? I've seen those Genesis2 av SCART cables that have audio plugs, too.

Don't mind the shit quality of the picture and that the screen looks blue, caused from camera flash and light from the window.

If you want the real retro experience you gotta use tvs like this one.

>>1559942
The knobs adjust various things on the tv, like brightness, contrast, saturation, etc

>>1561090
>Does SCART carry sound data too?
Yes.

>>1561271
Alright, that's what I thought...if i got pic related, would this be just as good instead of modding the box?

>>1561706
Yeah, that would be fine but if you get a breakout you can just use regular SCARTs for all your consoles instead of getting cables with sound outs for everything.

One thing I forgot to ask Shirtless Jared about his Sylvania TV - what is the model number? I'd like to do a bit more research on it, so if you could check the back for a model number that would be great.

I like CRT's.

Anyone want to give me an FW900?

I have an RCA F19205GY, Pic related. I have a problem with it where it isn't bright enough. When I go to the picture quality menu, all I find are options for Contrast, Color, Tint, Black Level, and sharpness. Even with everything maxed out (Ive been playing with the settings for a while now) Its just still too dark. Games that tend to be a bit darker can be almost unplayable at points or at least a pain in the ass. Has anybody used one of these TVs or something similar, and if so, knows how to adjust the brightness?

>>1564726
I used to own this t.v before it exploded literally. its ass for gaming and everything is too damn dark even with settings adjusted to your liking. playing turok 2 on this t.v was an absolute nightmare especially on the lair of the blind ones to the point i would fall down a pit because i couldnt tell what was ahead. only thing i can suggest is to play in absolute darkness but it doesnt help very much.

>>1564735
Thanks, Looks like I need to hunt craigslist and thrift shops for new CRTs then. I have another CRT, an Insignia from 2006, but that one grows a greenish purple spot on one side if its on for too long, especially if the image isn't moving, like a paused game.

Why should I use a CRT for Dreamcast? Or anything after Dreamcast? What about games that support progressive scan, or widescreen?

>>1564781
Better image quality and motion quality with very low response time.

>What about games that support progressive scan,
EDTV, HDTV, monitor

>or widescreen?
HDTV or monitor (or if you're in Europe, they have 16:9 SDTVs too)

>>1564793
So you're saying I should switch TVs to play one game? Or get two consoles?

>>1564805
I'm not telling you what to do, but I have an SDTV and an HDTV in close proximity. Some PC monitors too that could be hooked up, but they aren't. I also have multiple consoles for some systems.

>>1564826
Is there a comparison video/screens between a PS2 game on CRT and an HDTV?

>>1565152
If you're viewing the comparisons on the same screen that defeats the purpose.

>>1560082
Isn't it too wide for retro games?

Hey guys, I was wondering if I could get a little assistance. I just set up my JVC flatscreen crt with all my old systems and the Wii, but it has a small problem- the composite input has this light, fuzzy stuff traveling in a line from the top to the bottom of the screen. It's not like it blocks the image, but I'm wondering what the problem could be because the RF input and blue screens when there's no AV input aren't fuzzy like that. At first I thought it might be dirty cables or inputs, but after cleaning them the problem persists and I've realized that it happens with all the inputs on the TV. Any idea what it might be? I can provide pics if you need them.

>>>/g/41529483

Why does /g/ hate CRTs?

>>1557785
wtf after he lets go of the cookie it moves by itself

>>1565260
I used to main /g/ years and years ago. My list of problems with that board is off-topic as fuck but I'll just say that the consensus opinion there is progress above everything else. If there is an opportunity to shit on something old in favor of something new, they will tend to leap at that chance.

>>1558291
>>1558608
>>1558745
>>1558753

Just to point out, but the amount of 'overscan' may depend on the specific device being used. For example, my PS2 'overscans' quite a lot the bottom of the picture, and only it does so. The built-in VCR of my TV does NOT do this given that its picture matches the screen perfectly, and neither does my PS1. However, both my PS1 and 2 tend to overscan the left side of the picture on my TV. Here are photos of the overscan the PS2 is set into and how it should look like with screen adjustment, which not all games include, unfortunately.

>>1565512
There's still some minor overscan on the lower and upper edges of the TV, but by adjusting the picture they improve a lot.

>>1565512
>>1565517
Yeah, different devices tend to have different output timings from one another, leading to varying degrees of overscan and shifted images. Displays are often not configured to deal perfectly with those timings, since they are typically just synced to broadcast standard.

>>1565512
>>1565517
Fuck yeah, R-Type Final.

>>1565512
>>1565517

Yeah, I figured it might have more to do with the device being used. It seems to mostly be post-2000 devices that overscan at the bottom, my SNES and N64 don't have issues at all.

>>1565664
Some old console games intentionally use only part of the screen as well. Not true underscan, just not using all available resolution and blacking out the screen edges.

>>>/g/41536267
Which one of you did this? Do you have any idea of the potential damage that you have just done to the quality of this thread and this board?

>>1564781
> Or anything after Dreamcast?
for 6th gen go with this guy >>1564793
after that consoles were designed to be used with more modern televisions, ps3>HDMI, 360>component or HDMI
I have no idea about the wii though.

>>1565852
a little off-topic, but since it's being stated in the context of using along with a Dreamcast:
Wii U - composite, S-video, component, HDMI
Wii - composite, S-video, component
PS4 - HDMI
PS3 - composite, S-video, component, HDMI
Xbone - HDMI
360 - composite, S-video, component, VGA, HDMI

>>1565559
Mah nigaaaaaa. Them Bydo's never stood a chance.

Just got this big fucker from a charity shop for £10. Bit dusty, but looks great. Just waiting for my pal s video cable to arrive now.

Heavy. As. Fuck.

>>1566414
You should return it, it looks upside-down.

>>1566456

Nah he's just australian.

>>1566414
Why would you use s-video for anything when RGB exists?

>>1566458

Not him but because nintendo 64.

Point me to a the best non-$1000 HD CRT you have, /vr/.

>>1567542
>to a the best

>>1567542
For TV or monitor?

I've had troubles finding good monitors. The only commonly seen HD TV you want is a Sony 30" or 34" tube. They shouldn't cost much more than what a regular tube costs in your area.

>>1567593
TV, autism or bust.

>$100 - 34XBR910

Yuuuup. Still have a coupel CRTs I actually use.

>>1567635

>>1567635
Nice, but we all do ITT. Using one right now as I type.

My friend just bought a small $15 CRT from Goodwill and after we got it home and plugged the sucker in we found out that it only has one volume level, OFF or FUCKING BLASTING.

What would cause this and how do I fix it?

>>1567786
If the volume control is a dial, could be a dirty potentiometer.

As a workaround, if it has a headphone jack or audio outputs, you could use external speakers with their own volume control.

>>1567796
>If the volume control is a dial, could be a dirty potentiometer.
It's buttons.
>As a workaround, if it has a headphone jack or audio outputs, you could use external speakers with their own volume control.
I forgot to mention, we've tried using headphone but it still comes out at full blast with no control over it. Right now we're using external computer speakers with their own volume control and it's working alright but it'd be nice to get this fixed.

Now that I bring this up, it makes me think this might be a problem with the circuit board inside or something.

>>1567635

>BSD user master race

nice!

If I want to play DOS games, do I want a CRT monitor or will DOSbox work fine?

>>1567878

Even for Windows games a CRT monitor is a good buy. So yeah, absolutely.

>>1567886
I would think Windows XP and up would be meant for a flatscreen.

why my crt sony only have one sound plug? sound like mono shit

pic related, my TV

>>1567893

Nope. games like UT-2004, Doom 3, Farcry, Return to castle Wolfenstein, Quake 4, Half Life 2, they all benefit from the use of a CRT monitor too. No game gain anything special from an LCD.

>>1567878
DOS games especially gain from using a CRT monitor, as that is precisely what they were made for. However, depending on your drivers, you may or may not need to add custom modelines for the various modes that DOS games used.

>>1567897
It's very strange that it would obviously have two speakers but only mono rca input.

>>1562689
Oh man I just saw this sorry, I'm at uni right now but will be back home Friday night. If you're still around I'll check the model number.

Hey guys Sweetbro here,

I just recently picked up a sony 34xbr960 for $20 for some sweet 480p widescreen Smashbros action. Unfortunately it seems to introduce input lag when inputting anything other than a 1080i signal.

This is a long shot but does anyone know of way to remove the lag on this set when using a 480p signal??

Thanks /vr/

>>1568468
Buy a quality upscaler I guess - or get a good SDCRT and use 480i

>>1568468
I have its cousin, the 30XS955, and I get close to no lag on my end. Make sure you're not using any shitty post-processing. Set the picture mode to Pro (at least that's what it's called on my set), and turn off any edge enhancement shit. And it goes without saying, but do make sure the game actually is outputting 480p, though I don't recall having significant lag even on 480i.

Procrastinating my calculus studying well spent.

>>1567898
They don't lose anything either. There's no problem with response time obviously, and if your graphics card is maxed out you won't see any difference beyond the CRT having scanlines...which don't add anything, still.

>>1568502

Nice, the only thing I disagree is that good looking TVs with only RF are pretty cool for consoles made before the NES, but that's a matter of taste. Also, i think I might post this for the newcomers.

>>1568524

Of course they do, not because of lag, but because of motion quality, frame rate, colors and contrasts, which are better on a CRT.

>>1568502
My RF looks pretty good man..

>>1568534
Ever since the switch to digital RF's been about on the same level as composite since there's so little interference these days.

>>1568534
>>1568671
That poster is just a basic guide for the clueless, its fine. On some systems, like the Genesis, RF is indistinguishable from composite. On the SNES, the coaxial pin can break (like mine!), and you don't ever want to use that shit.

Obviously most of that is irrelevant if you are an American or are using a system that doesn't even output that stuff. As a note, my TV does have S-video, and I've never even seen an S-video cable for a console.

>mfw watching muh vhs tapes on my ST TV

Seriously though, it looks terrible. But have you seen how much those shitty laserdisc to DVD Star Wars cashgrabs cost?

Dear anon,
Is PVM 2053MD any good?

>>1569004
>not watching Harmy's Despecialized Editions

>>1568382
Yes, please do.

>>1568502
You might want to add that certain genres (i.e. rhythm games intended for CRT) are rendered unplayable by modern displays.

Ok guys, So what exactly would I need to hook a model 1 SNES to a Sony PVM-1341 via RGB. Is there a way to do this with just cables and converters?

I am wracking my brain trying to figure out what I need.

>>1569578

You need a SCART cable and then something like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Female-RGB-Euro-SCART-to-4x-BNC-Audio-Cable-Sony-PVM-Sega-Genesis-SNES-Neo-Geo-/191115805317?pt=US_Video_Game_Cables_Adapters&hash=item2c7f63c285

Just search SNES SCART and you should find a bunch of stuff.

Got around to making an s-video chroma/luma splitter for my Commodore 1702. Holy fuck vidya looks so good.

>>1569785
Also, the Vectrex is love.
Those trails are magic.

Do you guys know a good tv that could be small enough to fit on a shelf/desk?
I might be exaggerating on the size but I just wanted something that doesn't take too much space.

>>1569802
They make PVMs with RGB input as small as 8 inches.
>>1569785
And here's a picture, I guess. I only currently have s-video cables for my PS2 and Wii, so I'm playing this off the Virtual Console. (Does anyone know if it outputs at a different res?) It's only an iPhone 4 camera, so it's not too pretty. I'll have to get around to taking some better ones with a better camera. The color looks much more accurate irl.

>>1569814
>They make PVMs with RGB input as small as 8 inches
Wowzers these things are cute, and just what I'm looking for. Little pricey, but probably will consider getting one in the future.
Also been seeing a lot of Sony Watchmen lately on my flea market trips, even with shitty quality and a tiny screen if I ever find one for cheap might play vidya on it just for shits n giggles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wokgD0MiKU

I have a question about CRT's you guys. I just snagged one from a friend, and I see like the scanlines in all of your pictures, and i'm totally not seeing any on my crt at all. I'm running a wii into it with retroarch in 240p mode with composite cables, if you guys wanna help, go for it, thanks.

>>1569814
>>1569845
They actually made them as small as 5 inches for field editing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMPelH9ctgQ

I've got one, unfortunately mine doesn't work.

>>1569578
http://www.retrogamingcables.com/super-nintendo-ntsc-rgb-av-scart-cable-av-lead-cord-for-sale.html
buy that
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Female-RGB-Euro-SCART-to-4x-BNC-Audio-Cable-Sony-PVM-Sega-Genesis-SNES-Neo-Geo-/191115805317?pt=US_Video_Game_Cables_Adapters&hash=item2c7f63c285

Hook that shit up together, go on you can do it. And then you'll have RGB glory.

>>1568502
You might want to add that medical monitors tend to have low usage and that they are generally in great condition picture wise.

>>1570001
and are haunted

If the quality of pvm's are so good, why do they usually have a bunch of composite inputs, but only one or two RGB inputs?

They still used composite quite a bit?

>>1568474
I already have a Sony pvm, I'm looking for an optimal 480p experience

>>1568492
Yes I have a 480p signal, I'm no dumb dumb. As for "pro mode" that is just for color calibration. Been around the service menu just have no idea what anything means there.

>>1561098
oh man
riding the jelly express to jelly town

>>1570145
I've got 3 Sony PVM's, all of which have 1 composite, 1 s-video, and 2 component/RGB inputs. Even the composite inputs on all three of them look better than composite on any other CRT that I've seen, though I will admit that these are the only high quality monitors I have. It's also nice to have options, especially if you have an NES or N64 that can't do RGB.

I'm thinking about getting a hold of one of those nice 29" NEC monitors just to compare to these PVM's.

>>1570145
They're pro monitors, so of course they're gonna have a wide array of input methods.

>>1570172
Component isn't RGB. RGB is some sort of Euro faggotry.

>>1570186
You're a fucking retard. The monitors I have have 2 different inputs that will accept component or RGB.

>>1570186

>hurr I don't know what to do so I'll post some bullshit on the /vr/'s CRT thread

RGB is a Component input (as it has all it's components transported separately), and Professional displays like PVMs use the exact same input for RGB and Component with only a switch to decide between the two. It's not some sort of Euro faggotry, it's the signals ALL CRT monitors use internally, everything is converted to RGB inside the set.
Also, stop this Yuro vs 'Merrica bullshit.

>>1569814
Er, sorry, but does anyone know what resolution the Commodore 1702 uses? I'm pretty sure it would be 480i but I just want to make sure.

>>1570220

Yes it's 480i, as the highest resolution of the C=64 is 320*200.

>mfw Mouser lists their SCART jacks under the D-Subminiature catagory

At least I can solder on a nice SCART jack on my Commodore 1084S now.

>>1570240

Good luck, and don't forget to discharge the beast and get the female one.

>>1570248
I'm pretty well aware of the flyback transformer and anode. I already have a PVM monitor safely in pieces in my kitchen right now.

>>1570257

Okay, well then good luck anon.

>>1570257
Thanks for reminding me that I have a disassembled monitor that has been sitting around for many months that I still need to finish re-capping.

>>1570259
Thanks! It's still good to remind the newcomers about safely discharging a CRT before working on it.

>>1570260
No problem. Mine's been disassembled for about a month simply because I want to swap it's front panel handle with one on another PVM that has a broken one but is in overall nicer condition.

>>1570268

Man I'd love to get a hand on an Apple II, but those fuckers alway sell them at a price so high that even the 68k and early PowerPC machintosh are cheaper. Man I hate this kind of guy that doesn't even do a slight research before selling their stuff.

>>1570228
Okay cool. So that means by running a 240p console into it I should be getting them scanlines? Because I've been playing some PS1 stuff on it but didn't really see anything that resembled the scanline shots posted in these threads...

>>1570282
How much are the 68k ones usually? I got a Macintosh SE for $6 at a goodwill.
Paid a pretty embarrassing amount for the keyboard and mouse online later though...

>>1570282
I'm an Amiga fan in North America. You don't know what true suffering is. At least Commodore 64 stuff is really cheap here.

>>1570289

In france they're between 30 and 70 bucks.

>>1570294
>be American
>buy Commodore 64
>decide to use something like sd2iec over physical games to so I don't have to worry about space and money
>all the cracked games are PAL
>the one I bought came with a disk drive monitor and bunch of floppies
>seller noted that the I'll need to replace a chip in the disk drive because it's broke
>disk drive still doesn't work after replacing chip
>the sound ends up getting screwed up, possible because I had the console turned on while turning the monitor on and off

back to consoles I go.

>>1570285
Scanlines really aren't that obvious unless your using a Trinitron, or a very sizable shadow mask.

>>1570326
What is that stuff to the left of your SNES?

It looks a bit colorful.

>>1570335
Comforters.

Nieces were having a sleep over, and that's were their bed things ended up during the day.

PVM photo

>>1570341
Did you ever do that RGB mod for your SNES mini?

>>1570348
NOPE

I still haven't bought a soldering iron like I said I was going to a few weeks into this board life. I should get on that.

Pretty much any photo of an SNES game on my PVM has been from a model 1.

I believe the one I usually use is a SHVC CPU 01, but I could be wrong. Neither of them are 1CHIPs, that much I'm nearly positive of. of.

>>1570378
As much as I've heard the SNES2 with an RGB mod is better, I and my friend can't see any video quality difference between his SNES2 RGB modded and my stock 1Chip SNES or 1Chip Sufami. If it's any better, it's a very minuscule difference.

>>1570387
Yeah, it's a very minor difference finding a 1CHIP snes is a bit of a pain in the ass.

>>1570387
To be honest, it's just a good excuse for me to get into learning some electronics shit. Anything that results in me getting off my ass and doing something productive is a good thing.

Still need to finish sorting through photos to put up on flickr. Still have some 1200 or so left, half of which are from Super Metroid alone.

>>1570416
https://mightyohm.com/blog/2011/04/soldering-is-easy-comic-book/
This is a pretty good comic for learning about soldering.
Also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NU2ruzyc4

I know PC CRT monitors are not considered to be good if the idea is to hook up actual consoles to them, but what do you all think of the recent developments regarding using a superwide 480p resolution plus a scanline shader on emulators?

>>1570407
I know. The SNES I got back in 1996 was a 1Chip, and I just happened to luck out that the Sufami I bought on Ebay a long time back was one, too. I haven't seen another one since.

>>1570416
Ah, dat 20M2MDU. That's the main PVM I've been using. I've just about got all the SCART cables and SCART to BNC stuff in to set up my battlestation. I just need to find the right TV stand for it all.

>>1570309

But american C=64 games are better, why did you bother with shitty British tape shovelware? The only thing they have is a single good music

Are the 20L5's any good?

Its either get that, or get a nes flashcart. Tough choice

>>1570594
Yes, especially considering they'll sync to both 15 and 31khz, meaning 240p AND 480p goodness.

>>1570597
So basically hook a Wii up to it?

>>1570282
>Man I hate this kind of guy that doesn't even do a slight research before selling their stuff.
Big leap from "it's more than I want to pay" to "the seller didn't do his research."

price compared to old Macs = irrelevant

but this is all off-topic, so meh

>>1570602
Wii would work(both for it's own games and 240p from VC emulators.)

I believe it would be possible to get a Dreamcast w/ VGA box to work with it as well.

I need to take some more pictures. Haven't in ages.

Will using a VGA coupler for Dreamcast introduce input lag? I assume not because it's analog but just want to make sure before picking up a CRT a neighbor wants to get rid of.

>>1572237
A coupler as in a passive gender adapter? No, that won't do anything.

>>1572275
Ok thanks

>>1572202
Is that super tempo?

>>1572714

Not him, but it is. Looks fucking fantastic in that screen.

>>1572714

Is Shirtless Jared around with the model number on that Sylvania?

>>1572962
you betcha, so you want me to check the ol back of it right?

>>1572968

Yes please.

>>1572968
You're lucky I'm a nice guy haha I have a ton of stuff on the top of it and it's in a peculiar spot but anything for a /vr/o

>>1572985

Thanks.

>>1573000
no problem man

So...what's the difference between an RGB TV and an RGB monitor?

>>1573337
Main difference between a TV and a monitor is that a TV has a tuner that can receive broadcast signals.

>>1573337
TVs have a tuner, Monitors don't and are for dedicated sources only.

>>1569967
Would avoid retrogamingcables.com.
90% of there stuff is wired improperly.

>>1573564
hard to believe, got anything to back that up anon?

>>1573564
[citation needed]

>>1573569
Their SNES NTSC cable for example
only has 1 pin grounded, when it should have many more.

>>1573594
ugh, that's a pet peeve of mine too, unwired ground pins

/believed

>>1557495
Which game is this?

>>1573985

Gunbird 2 for Dreamcast

http://news.sky.com/story/1248397/andy-warhol-originals-found-on-floppy-disk
Figured you guys might be interested in this. Pixel art by Andy Warhol.

anyone have any tips or info on hooking up an snes to an arcade monitor? how would the quality compare to, say, a Sony pvm?

>>1574140

I don't see how that's CRT related but okay.

>>1568502
Those FV300 tv's are like America only?
I can't find any info about European model of this

cop or not? it's only $5 at a garage sale, i have no idea if it works, i didn't want to bother the people running the sale to test it because im not sure if i want it. it'll be there tomorrow and the guy said he'll hold it for me.

>>1574516
You should be able to do much better at Goodwill or Salvation Army. That TVs going to be RF only for sure and it's quite likely to have a bajillion hours on it since it's from like 1979.

>>1574516
I would buy that instantly.
Even broken you could resell for $30 no prob.

There's a really nice Sony someone in Washington DC has up on Craigslist but I live in Upstate NY. Is there some kind of agent you can hire to ship something for you or would it be cheaper for me to make the five hour drive down?

>>1574516
even if the picture quality is sub par it's a gangster ass television, it's only $5, and it's a trinitron to boot.

I would, but that's only because I love the look and already have a high quality PVM

>>1573594
That's a good point.

When I went looking for scart cables and ordered up a couple on ebay, not a single one was wired properly. Not just improperly grounded either. One cable had the rgb wires mixed up, another had problems with the audio not wired up right.


Wasn't a big deal to fix them, but good to keep in mind.

>>1574174
It'd be no different than wiring up a snes to an RGB capable monitor or transcoder.

I would imagine the picture quality of a PVM would be better than an arcade monitor.

>>1575360
There's a courier server in los angeles that I've been wanting to try but I don't know their rates.

Got a Sony Trinitron KV27TS29 for a buck down at my local goodwill. Gotta see how it tests tomorrow.

>>1557717

I have this TV. Honestly it's nothing too special. I replaced it recently with a larger generic CRT from just before everyone switched to flat screens.

At the time it must have blown minds though. Just make sure to hook up some speakers to your system because that shitty speaker (which is on the freaking top of it) is garbage.

>>1564726

If I'm not mistaken this tv has a spot to access the flyback adjustments in the back. Using a small phillips screwdriver adjust the one on the bottom (there should be two holes, or a vent of some sort) until your screen looks right. Top one is focus if you want to fuck with that.

>tfw saw a Panasonic S901 Broadcast Monitor at Goodwill yesterday but was hesitant to buy it and now the bank is closed and I have no plastic money

It better fucking still be there tomorrow.

Had all of those fancy BNC connectors on the back. Also has S-Video so I'll be able to use it while I wait for SCART breakout cables.

But if any of you guys live in Richland, WA, feel free to grab it, because I know you guys will actually make use of it and take care of it.

>>1573569
>>1573594

There are 2 ground pins on a SNES/N64/GC multi-AV connector. It's very common on cheap cables to wire only one of them.

Also virtually every Composite + S-Video combo cable you can find re-uses the composite wire for one or both of the S-Video signals and results in interference in the picture.

>>1577047
I had never actually thought about doing that to test the multi-cable I use for my N64.

Grounds are connected, but neither luma nor chroma react; Guess I should consider myself lucky.

Should I buy this from my local thrift store for 15$?
I currently have a JVC flat crt with the same inputs.

>>1577047
Heh, I had this issue as well. I remember I ended up grabbing a Monster S-Video cable for my SNES and N64 on Amazon for like $10 because of it.

>>1576852
BNC connectors don't always imply RGB you know. I saw one of these at my goodwill a few months back, looked at the back and it only had S-Video and composite BNC.

>>1577660
Also, hello fellow Washingtonian.

>>1577559

>KV-27FS13

I bought a KV-27FS12 a couple of weeks ago for $20. I'm not sure what the difference is, but I'm sure it's minimal. My TV looks exactly like that.

Anyways, it's fantastic, but I can't say whether it will be better or worse than your JVC. The Sony has crisp as fuck scanlines, if that's your thing. It's pretty damn heavy, but if that doesn't bother you, just bring it home and try it out. $15 for a nice Trinitron with Component, S-Video, and Composite all on separate inputs is a steal.

>>1577559
>>1577691

Here's a shitty phone camera screenshot to give you an idea. Dreamcast via S-Video.

>>1560112
~15 years ago, I used to have a KV-1215 that was identical to the KV-1204A pictured, but with a wooden cabinet. My dad had the BRILLIANT idea of placing it on top of an upside-down laundry basket. I got into a fight with a friend over some SNES game, and I knocked the TV off the laundry basket with my foot during the fight. Even though the TV only fell 1-2 feet onto thick carpeting, it was enough to make the picture all green and staticy (with staticy sound). Turning the picture knob with the TV off would produce 3 blinking green dots in the middle of the screen that would move out horizontally. The TV was toast.

Not-so-quick question about my 1982 Sony KV-1547R: When I turn the TV on, the picture has a very strong red cast when it first fades into view. The colors do fade to normal a few seconds later, but the overall colors are still rather warm when compared with another CRT. I'm suspecting that the green electron beam and (to a lesser extent) the blue electron beam are a bit weak, but would there be any other causes of the color issues (other than the hue/color controls)?

If the green and blue beams are indeed weak, I have 3 options:
1. Increase the G Drive and B Drive Controls (There is no R Drive control)
2. Increase the G Background and B Background Controls
3. Decrease the R Background Control.

Which option should I go with?

>>1577691
>>1577697
Thanks. I just went to pay for it. I'll get someone to help me bring it back home on tuesday. It seemed too heavy for now.Mad appreciation for the photographs.

>>1558445
No deflection, but the flyback transformer is on...

>>1577047
Sure, but the concern upthread was over the SCART cables from retrogamingcables.com specifically.

>>1577823
Heh, don't blame your dad, you were the one who got in the dumb fight.

>>1578079
Not to excuse him, but kids are retards by nature, and any parent should know better than to place an expensive (for the time) piece of electronics somewhere that is easily knocked over by little shits.

>>1577869

No problem brother. Hope it works out for you.

http://www.zimmers.net/cbmpics/cbm/monitors/1084s/pinout.html
Does anyone know what "Intensity" refers to and where I could link it to on a scart cable? I'm trying to build a DB9 to Scart cable for my Commodore 1080 monitor.

>>1578741
Pretty sure it's used for old computers outputting CGA. In context of older consoles, it can be ignored.

>>1578780
Really? Crap. See I was hoping if I hooked up the H-sync and V-Sync, I could get my other systems working with my multi-console scart lead. Right now, the only one that works on C-sync is the saturn. The snes/dreamcast/ps1/xbox leads all give blanks.

>>1578804
Try hooking the consoles' composite video into the composite sync input on the monitor.

>>1578837
The weird thing is that I only GET a signal from the saturn if I hook up the C-sync to pin 16, which is RGB blanking. Pin 19, which is c-sync out, gives me a picture on whiter screens, but freaks out on anything else. For example, I can see the first stage of the PS1 boot screen, but not the second.

>>1578886
I'm not paying too close attention to your sub-topic here, but I'm wondering if this is an actually appropriate scenario for a syncstrike.

>>1578908
>syncstrike
You could probably stuff a lm1881 inside the SCART cable, and it would give the same result, wouldn't it?

Besides Sony and Ikegami, there is no other brands i should be looking for?

>>1578942
Shopping CRTs by brand only guarantees you one thing ever: If you buy a Sony, it will be an aperture grille.

Nobody's saying memorize some list of brands to buy and ignore...just keep your phone on you and when the opportunities arise, do your research on the *model*.

>>1578942
By brand, pretty much.

There are plenty of other good tv's, but sony is one of the few brands that doesn't have any particular models that you'd want to avoid.

For example, toshiba made some decent tv's. But they made some really shitty ones too. So you can't tell just by the brand if it should be a good set. A lot of manufacturers are like that.

And you can still run into sony's with the usual problems that 10-20 year old tv's have. But they generally have the best chance of still being decent just because they started off decent.

>>1579453
>But they made some really shitty ones too.
Don't you fucking say that. Those were rebrands in the final dying days of the CRT market, all HD models. And their top of the line weren't "decent," they were pretty damn great.

>>1579470
My point exactly.

You can't fuck up buying a sony.

Got my SCART cables in. How am I looking guys?

>>1579490
You don't seek out specific brands and then turn your brain off, you look at model numbers.

...model numbers....ding ding ding...

If you're looking up a display by its model, you may as well not close yourself off to non-Sonys as well. That's Pleb McSimpleton-tier research.

>>1579495
Is that a 1CHIP snes?

>>1579524
It is a 1CHIP. The monitor is a PVM-20M2MDU and I haven't touched anything in the service menu on it yet. I won't have SCART to BNC adapters for a few more days, so this is actually going through a CSY-2100 RGB to Composite converter and then into RCA to BNC adapters.

Bump

>>1557194
bumpin

>>1581557
>>1581935
>this very post I'm posting
three completely wasted posts on a slow board like /vr/

>>1581979
>completely wasted
Thread was on page 10 and about to fall of the board.

I feel that was a perfectly fine time to bump.

Anyone know of any RGB CRT monitors around 25-27"? I only know about the 25" PVM-2530.

>>1582029
yeesh, after less than a day's worth of weekday posting?

I hate empty bumps, even on generals.

>>1579521
Exactly.

Go look up a Sony model. You'll either find out its a good SD tube, or a good HD tube.

You can't say that for toshiba, for example.

>>1582038
There are bigger PVMs but good luck finding them as they were rarely used it seems. I have a 27" Profeel Pro which is basically a PVM.

>>1582105
So you solution is to tell someone that they should be looking for Sonys? Someone else please confirm whether the point of these threads is to make people dumber or smarter with the advice being shared.

Spoonfeeding simplified information to people without helping them understand runs contrary to what I personally want to do here. "only buy Sony and Ikegami" is like saying "only buy Toyota and Honda." I won't do it, nosirree.

I want a CRT touchscreen tablet.

And a CRT vr headset. No more inut lag or motion blur. Get a good neck workout in too.

>>1582125
Solution to what?

The guy asked if ikegami and sony were the only brands you could go by.

By brand, they are.
It takes all of two minutes to type in a Sony model #, the first page results will tell you if its an HD or SD set and done.

If you want to inform the guy about all the toshiba's to buy, or avoid, go ahead.

But you haven't done that.
You haven't mentioned how to tell an orion from a toshiba, or even where to find that information.
Most of that info is now buried in avs threads and other forums and it'll take awhile to find it.
But you'll ignore all that, because you aren't the one digging through all that shit. Or even better is because you were there which doesn't help someone who wasn't.

Can someone post that FF6 comparison image of the solider standing infront of the brick wall?

One half was a non CRT image, the other half was CRT. I cant find it anywhere.

>>1582141
>Solution to what?
to anon's misguided plan to go shopping by brand. Instead you endorsed it.

>If you want to inform the guy about all the toshiba's to buy, or avoid, go ahead.

No, I will not be doing that. Re-read what I wrote about spoonfeeding. Anon should know (learn) what inputs and features he needs and buy based on that. I'm not in these threads to tell people what they should *want* -- I'm no used car salesman or anyone trying to claim guru status beyond what I know for a fact through personal experience. I'll answer questions when and where I can, but I'd rather stop posting than ever tell someone "here's a pre-packaged list of what you should want, feel free to stop doing all your own research and close your mind to all information I'm not handing to you on a platter." Reductive guidance helps nobody.

My original response to anon was this:
>>1578954
and I stand by it in its entirety, for all the foolishness it contains and wisdom it lacks.

>>1582151
I know which image you're talking about, and sorry to say, it was not a CRT vs LCD comparison. Rather, it was a comparison between pure nearest neighbor scaling on an LCD versus applying an NTSC filter plus bilinear filtering, which sort of aims to look like it would on a CRT. Sort of.

>>1582173
And no one said anything to you from that post. You decided to bestow your wisdom that "other TVs r gud to" and yet again, have added absolutely nothing.

Do you even read what you type?

You wouldn't ever give someone a list of what not to buy?

So even something as rudimentary as avoid an HF85 toshiba because that model has all kinds of problems with it, is too much for you?

Do you think consumer reports is a terrible idea?
We shouldn't judge products by how good or badthey work?

>>1582208
>And no one said anything to you from that post.
I like that, sometimes it can be a sign that it's all that was needed.

>You decided to bestow your wisdom that "other TVs r gud to" and yet again, have added absolutely nothing.
Well that's all that was needed when the issue is based on a bad idea.

>Do you even read what you type?
Sometimes, but I'm posting on other boards too right now and I'm not completely invested in what we're doing here. I don't think I'm doing the very best job of proof-reading, tbh. Close enough for government work.

>You wouldn't ever give someone a list of what not to buy?
I never have unless asked, because the answer is prohibitively long and quite interactive. I wasn't asked.

>So even something as rudimentary as avoid an HF85 toshiba because that model has all kinds of problems with it, is too much for you?

But anon, I have posted that very suggestion in these threads in the past based on the fact that I have owned two and still have one in my kitchen. I have no idea how that is an adequate response to "Besides Sony and Ikegami, there is no other brands i should be looking for?"

>Do you think consumer reports is a terrible idea?
I think it's a great idea for people seeking that information. I am not Consumer Reports and I am not in these threads to act in that capacity.

>We shouldn't judge products by how good or badthey work?
Do you always ask such silly and pointed questions?

>>1582225
Just for you.

And thank you.
I'm sure everyone feels much more confident in buying older budget tubes because they've got you here to tell them to go look it up.

I just didn't realize who I was talking to.

You're right. Who am I to recommend brands with a record of good quality, or letting people know to generally avoid other brands because of the lack of it.

I just don't have time to peel that potato.

>>1582250
>>1582262
lel, I would invite more of this for my own shiggles but it's not exactly on-topic

Go ahead and shit-talk them low-down dirty Toshibas, anon.

>>1560365
That's a cat

>>1560365
>>1582298
Holy shit, I have that keyboard on the left.

Also, it sucks.
Like a toshiba.

>>1582554

Living in a PAL Region I value my last 50/60 Hz PAL/NTSC Multinorm CRT. I fear the day, when it'll break and I will not be able to play Imports on a crt anymore.
Also applies to certain Wii Games that skip frames like crazy in PAL Mode for some reason (Mario Kart Wii or NSMB)

>>1582761

If you have the RGB cables for your consoles then you won't have to worry about that.

It appears my PVM was dropped by the previous owner or in shipping. Thought the discoloration was because it was magnetized. Tried the power drill trick, tried using a real degaussing coil, none of which worked. I found a video of someone who has the same issue with his arcade monitor. Same discoloration in the corners and same that a degauss coil didn't fix it. He had an update video saying that he had to adjust the yoke and it fixed everything. Anyone have any information on adjusting a misaligned yoke on a crt?

>>1582151
Don't have that, but I do have this image showing FFVI being a cunt.

this lazy asshole has this TV up on craigslist with literally no description other than the size and some low quality pictures. I'm guessing it's a Sony FV300 from the curved front but I'm not sure. The TV is free but he lives an hour away from me so I want to be sure before I go driving out. Hopefully he'll get back to me.

>>1583485

and another

>>1583469
Yep, FFVI had a ton of overscan area. Deal with it.

>>1583485
>>1583487
Macfags are the worst.

>>1583485
I wish some of you CRT enthusiasts could move to Ohio. Working CRT's of all brands and sizes just litter the streets. No need to shop for one online, just drive down the street and pick one up. People are often nice enough to leave a note saying whether or not it works too. And if it doesn't, 90% of the time it's a fuse which is easily replaced.

>>1583576

Unf, sounds great. Half of the time to find any around here you have to search "tube tv" on craigslist to even find anything because no one even knows the correct term. Then there's the fact that some crazy hippie woman started a campaign to try to get CRTs banned from the county.

Eternal CRT indeed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlU6crWC_3Q

hey /vr I've been watching this thread for awhile and I want to invest in the best CRT I can get for retro gaming with rgb and all that. I know the Sony PVM models are what everyone goes for, but I don't see those in very large screen sizes. Anyone have suggestions for PVM type of high quality crt and the large screen size?
This will preferably be for all systems I have from NES to PS2/Gamecube Era. Thanks

>>1583638

Keep an eye out for standard definition Trinitrons from the mid-2000s - these often have large screen size as well as s-video and component inputs.

>>1583638
>PS2/Gamecube Era
Just know that DC, PS2, GCN, and Xbox can all do 480p on quite a few games each (and even higher resolutions for certain PS2 and Xbox games) with the right accessories and displays. If you play those systems on a typical large SDTV that is best suited for NES-N64, you will get regular SD scanlines, you won't get 480p or higher out of those systems.

>>1557757

Well whatever this does it's twice as bright as those other preset color modes. Setting everything to 50 would give comparable brightness to those modes.

>>1584229
The presets are apparently changing color intensity along with color temperature in that monitor's case, the sliders are a dead giveaway (they don't make sense in the context of color temperature). Adjusting just color temperature itself does nothing to actual overall image brightness.

Hey guys, i have a large trinitron tv i got at a yard sale. I tried several things to fix what seems to be a purity error. I have determined that the closer it gets to the wall behind it, the worse the problem gets. See my other post at >>1586894

>>1586929
Does the problem go away when you put it in the middle of the room or outside the house?

>>1587708
....or when you hold the TV over your head with one arm?

What about if you try to suplex it, does that fix the problem?

>>1587708
Nope, But it might have sat long enough to be permanent.

Have a plasma screenshot

>>1588014
About to toss this 32" trinitron. Anyone else have anything else to try before i toss it? Tried degauss cycles, speaker removal, 60hz drill degauss and neodymium magnet+drill degauss.

https://i.4cdn.org/vr/1398896085262.jpg

>>1588291
Turn it on and off about 200 times and keep it further from your big speakers, also leave it on for about a week straight.

>>1588295
I tried degauss cycling and it isn't near any speakers. I thought that the speaker magnets in it might have slipped or something so i just removed them from the inside of the tv.

>>1588291
Nope, tossing it sounds about right.

Maybe use it for target practice.

>>1588291

Have you tried a Degauss-coil?

>>1588309
Tried a 60 hz drill which is supposed to work the same way as a degauss coil.

>>1588305
>All I can shoot here is .22 short and that won't glorious 2002 3"crt glass so i can't even give it a good send off.

>>1557127
*sigh* fucking germans are to jewish to pay for shipping or even offer shipping (you have to pick them up yourself) i really want one... is there any other medium that is close enough to crt and isn't plasma that can play retro games really good??

>>1588448
120Hz LCD + emulator + black frame insertion. Contrast ratio is worse than CRT and you get temporal dithering artifacts, but motion quality is good.

>>1588465
i don't want emulation though...

>>1588448
In my county there are giving or selling crts very cheep. But the PVMs on the other hand... it's like one per year shows up
>>1588465
>120Hz
Sounds like additional lag

>>1588473

Try an external upscaler. That'll at least get rid of the nasty artifacting you get from the TV upscaling it.

>>1588474
>Sounds like additional lag
True 120Hz monitor, not fake interpolated 120Hz TV. No additional lag.

>>1588475
Tossing this fucking Trinitron. Is http://www.amazon.com/Composite-S-video-Audio-HDMI-Converter/dp/B003NS0UUQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398967132 a decent upscaler? This is the first i have heard about them.

>>1588526
or perhaps http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008S7EYW2/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00

>>1588291
Can you find another CRT to test in that same location? Could be interference from electrical wiring in your walls.

Do you live under power lines on onboard an alien ship?

Do you have some crazy motor running on the other side of the wall? For that matter, does it matter which wall the TV is close to?

Can you borrow/rent an actual degaussing coil from a TV repair shop instead of buying one?

How strong are the magnets you tried to use to degauss it? Have you tried anything as strong as a hard drive magnet?

>>1588489
>No additional lag.
...for emulators running on a computer outputting video at that sync rate. For actual hardware, yes, you're going to be deinterlacing and upscaling at some point and there will be lag.

>>1588526
>>1588529
>HDMI
lag and bad image quality

>>1588547
I don't mind the lag but won't the upscaling be a step up from just plugging in rca into a lcd tv?

>>1588291
http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/monfaq.htm

>>1588554
>I don't mind the lag
Sheesh, really?

>won't the upscaling be a step up from just plugging in rca into a lcd tv?
Well, there are a scant few things in life that are worse than a low-res composite source plugged into an LCD HDTV.

Sony KV-30HS420, 30" HD CRT

Anybody know anything about this thing? Is it any good? There's always one or two for sale in my area for about 50 bucks. Is it decent for both retro and current gen gaming?

>>1588558

Tried everything mentioned in that.

>>1588562
I don't notice the lag in anything but fighters. I am willing to try anything that will make Yoshi's Island not look like a screen full of fruity pebbles

>>1588585
It's nice, but it's not for retro.

>>1588607
>I am willing to try anything that will make Yoshi's Island not look like a screen full of fruity pebbles
chuckled irl

>>1588585

Those HD tubes are extra heavy.
And for non-retro you might want to look for a super fine pitch tube.
Will still have some lag on SD but will be a bit sharper for 720p and up.

Xbr910, xbr960, and the xs955

Someone on craigslist has a Sony KV-27FS12 that's in really nice condition (also comes with a stand). Does anyone else have one? Should I get it for $25?

>>1588784

I should add that someone else has a 27FS100, however, the FS100 is much farther away (about an hours drive, and I suspect google maps is underestimating that time). I have, however, heard nothing but good things about the FS100 on /crt/ so I wanted to know how the FS12 compares.

>>1588808
The most important thing with old electronics is to thoroughly check it out.

Ask the owner to see it working. Make sure the picture isn't distorted, and that the color is decent.

Either of those could be good, but they could be all jacked up from sitting next to floor speakers for years. electromagnetic aliens

>>1588837
This.
Face of a seller when you came with SCART and PS1 is priceless

>>1588837

Okay, I guess I'll get that 240p Test Suite thing for my dreamcast and bring that along.

>>1588029
gross

>>1588562
With the right upscaler and a modern LCD TV with Game Mode, there will be no human noticeable lag. A CSY-2100 along with a Yamaha RX-V671 will give me no lag on my Samsung LCD and nice crisp edged pixels with all of my RGB capable consoles (fake scanlines look stupid on an LCD.)

>>1584229

Those sliders are color intensity. They're used to adjust how bright each color is so you can fine tune the color mix.

Color temperature is an entirely different adjustment.

Guys, I hit the jackpot today.

>Riding my bike home from work
>Notice a CRT laying face down in front of a house
>Pull a uturn and take a look at it
>Lady yelling from atop her porch
>"If you want it you can take it"
>I say "If it works I might come back for it and take it"
>her: "My son put it outside this morning, I don't know if it works or not hun, lemme go getcha' an extension cable"
>I plug it in, it works.
>she asks "What are you gonna use it for?"
>I explain to her that it's for videogames cause there's no delay on older tube TV's
>She asks me if I'm interested in taking any more of her TV's
>"Just how many do you have?.." I ask
>"Oh about 10.
>She directs me into her house and down stairs, shows me at least 10 CRT's and a few flat screens.
>"Are ya interested in them?" she asks.
Green texting is too much work. I told her that I might be able to come back in a few days with a truck and pick up most if not all of her spare TV's depending on the condition of them. She gave me her number and name, and I gave her mine.

My friend and I are gonna bring his truck by there probably tomorrow and pick most of them up. There were at least 6-8 decent condition ones there and I know there was one good flat screen, no idea on the brands/models though.

I'll be sure to post some pictures when I get the chance tomorrow.

>>1590468
Nice! In what part of the world did that happen?

>>1590473
Washington, US.

I'm almost always on the lookout for TV's outside of peoples houses. It's not often I find them around my area but one of the few times I do this nice lady comes out offering me lots of TV's. WOO

Finally got my eyes on a local 19" monitor, Maximum resolution says it's 1600x1200 @ 85Hz.
Vertical refresh rated at 160Hz and Horizontal at 115 kHz.

Will I have many issues with the monitor or displaying an image above the supported res?

>>1591008

The maximum resolution isn't alway the real maximum resolution. My tulip monitor has a maximum resolution of 1600*1200, but can really go up to 1920*1440. The real LAST resolution is the one you're forced to use 60Hz as a refresh rate.

Just purchased a Sony E250 that can be delivered to me.
Gonna use it for emulation, anyone have experience with this monitor? How fucked am I?

>>1591008
>Will I have many issues with the monitor or displaying an image above the supported res?
No, but desktop text might be difficult to read. Games should be fine though.

>CRT's
>Fuck yeah

It's amazing what a little bit of delay can do to your vidya playing.

Just smoked my high score on geometry wars. Hooked the 360 up to an hd tube and it's worlds of better compared to the LCD I was using before.

>>1559887
Yep. One thing about PVM monitors is the extremely pronounced scanlines.

FFV on PS2 with component video output to KV-36HS500
Only kind of game laggy HD CRTs are good for

>>1590474
Woah hey, what part of Washington do you live in??

>>1592392
Not to give a whole lot of specifics but I live a close drive from the Seatac Airport.

The lady was very nice today, and she let me cherry pick the TV's that she had. I ended up taking 7 TV's, 6 CRT's and one flat screen LCD. I didn't take any pictures (I forgot) but I drove down to Tacoma to drop them off at a friends place to store them for now. I only tested the LCD and it turned off as soon as I turned it on.

>>1592608
>yfw they're all like that

>>1592618
If anything I'll use them for parts that work and make a Frankenstein TV. Otherwise I'll just put the burden on Good Will or something if they are straight up useless.

>mfw

Picture of my Dell E771p I use with my fellow i486-DX2 based PC.

>the only TVs you own are a both over 10 years old
>you never felt the need to update
>want to buy a PS4
>HDMI only
>no Composite Cables

F..Fuck... I'll stick to my PS1. I never really noticed I was so outdated but I like my TVs just fine

>>1593173
Invest in a TV with VGA/DVI input so you can Vidya and also use it as a PeeCee monitor.

That's what I really want to do, or get a TV tuner card or whatever those are called.

>>1593173
Most HD CRTs have a DVI plug, which will work with HDMI.

I got a trinitron that doesn't have a S-video port but does has a scart pot.
I want to use my S-video cable on it so I bought a S-video to scart adapter.
Now I only get a black and white image. I also got a smaller trinitron that does have S-video and scart, so I tested the adapter on that one and that also gets a black and white image.
Is there a way to fix this?