/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1560939
>Also, the music is kinda wonky at times. It doesn't always fit the level theme.

I hope you're not talking about "What the heck?", because "Night on the bald mountain" is perfect for a hellish level

That's David Perry for you, awesome visuals, great ideals, but slippery gameplay with weird hit box detection. It's the same problem with Aladdin.

Still a great game IMO, I also thought EWJ2 was better than the first, even on the gameplay department, but they're both classics.

>>1560939
Well, yeah, that's the gist of it. It's a great game when you're a kid and you love seeing lots of crazy stuff going on on the screen, and you don't really have the attention span to appreciate a proper focused gameplay design (I know that was my case). It's pretty much half a dozen different games glued together, and you're lucky if you end up actually enjoying one in three levels. But it was loud, zany, and looked spectacular. We didn't masturbate to character-based roguelikes back then; we liked pressing buttons and seeing shit blow up.

The controls aren't really that bad, though, specially for a time in which mediocrity didn't stop at the line of mere competence like today. Getting accustomed to the inertia and "weight" of such a complex animated character was part of the appeal; problem is, the gameplay shifts don't allow enough practice for your normal contemporary player resilience: you need a lot of burnt 1994 summer afternoons to really appreciate what this game meant for a lot of us.

I still play my Mega-CD special edition every now and then; I've sworn off the second one though; that one was like an overblown parody of the original's patchwork design.

>>1560957
I liked Aladdin quite a lot actually, atleast the SNES version I played. Maybe it was the auto-aimy feel of the animation when jumping on enemy heads that helped, and the fact that it had more linear levels with less small platforms, that covered up the slippery controls. It was more speedrun-friendly, if you want.

>>1560972
That one was devved by Capcom; the Dave Perry/Shiny one was the Mega Drive version, and it's completely different (very EWJ-like, actually)

>>1560974
Ah, okay. It had sword combat, didn't it?

>>1560972

Yeah Capcom's Aladdin was a really tight platformer with great precision, I was talking about the one developed by Virgin/David Perry.

Doug is a big homophobe, and earthworm jim 3 was hilariously bad. Gotta just take the series at face value, which usually ends at the end of EWJ 1.

>>1561075
2 was...kinda good.

Stages were far too gimmicky for my liking, but I can't say the game was bad or anything. 1 is still the king because it had the right balance of "pure" sidescrolling with stage gimmicks.

you know out of all the games I've played I think earthworm jim is the only one I have a love/hate relationship with, like what the fuck is this game? and the fish in a bowl for a boss?

everything about the game is great except the fucking game

>>1560939
Wasn't this game made by a bunch of art people that never did actual game design before?

>>1561101
If so, they did a good job.

Also, you'll find history is full of those types of games.

>>1561104
Well, games as a medium are still young, and it has to be based on something. Most stars of the early silent films were theater actors.

>>1561075
Not constantly sucking SJW cock doesn't make one a homophobe, you know.

>>1561087

>everything about the game is great except the fucking game

The very definition of "western developed game".

>>1561504

What a reasonable person. It's nice to see real discourse/dialogue in the vidya community instead of the retarded black-and-white us-vs-them shitflinging you see nowadays.

>>1561530
Here comes a new challenger!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjyKk4lQC3k

>>1560939
>The slippery controls added with the narrow platforming
They're actually very precise. EJ stops dead in his tracks when you let go of the button.
>the unfocused level design
What you call "unfocused" I call "creative and varied" and "fresh and interesting." I cannot stress it enough that the levels are excellent.
>Also, the music is kinda wonky at times. It doesn't always fit the level theme.
Which levels? And how is this anything other than nitpicking? How are any of your complaints anything other than nitpicks?

And if you're playing the SNES version, then don't. But I think your complaints are just really strange. Maybe come back to it later? The gameplay is good. Perhaps you just were not in the mood, or you had different expectations than what the game actually is.

>>1560939
Agreed that the platforming feels loose and combined with the art style it's hard to tell exactly where you should stand, but I still think you're exaggerating. It's still a good game that just requires some fiddly practice here and there.

>>1561557
What? Fuck you, Nightshade was tight as hell. Did you actually play it?

>>1561832
I loved it, but you have got to admit the combat is anything but responsive

>>1561839
Jumping, to some degree, during combat was fiddly, but the punch combos came out fast and furious. The kick has decent pushback and the scepter shoot was fairly quick as well. Only the standing punch was ass, really.

The acid test to see if someone's worth a damn at Nightshade is bowler hat - if you can't beat him without getting hit, you're not very good.

>>1561075
Doug wasn't involved with 3.

>>1561912
Nightshade was great, but Urban Champion had better combat than it.

Game should have stuck to what it did well--writing and puzzles.

>>1560939

Yes, it's a style over substance game. I realized that when I replayed bits of it. It's really nice for what it is, but the gameplay is lacking.

>Also, the music is kinda wonky at times.

That's where your wrong. You're probably playing SNES/Genesis right? Sega CD or Windows is what you should be playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCbEBGcPagA

>>1562027
>your wrong

Ya blew it.

>>1560976
Yeah, I heard that sword was the reason Nintendo didn't want the game on their system.

>>1561075
Doug is just hardcore christian, he's voiced his opinion against gay MARRIAGE but not exactly against gays. Plus, if you read his blog you'd know he's actually been like that for years but people only started throwing fits and boycotting his stuff now.

Also, OP, this might seen like a minor thing but you should really play the genesis/megadrive version.

The larger genesis resolution really helps the big sprites, the screen doesn't feel as cramped anymore AND the genesis has one extra level, Intestinal Distress.
There's an even better Sega CD version with a new level and a few new bonus screens.

>>1562052
Look how much of the screen gets cut off.

>>1562058
whoever made that image needs to be shot though they squished the genesis true 4:3 to be perfectly square.

>>1562086
Yeah, this one's better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcCWVL5oiyQ
Also, unfortunately EWJ uses the GEMS genesis sound rive, so the sound is really shitty. Play the Sega CD version, it has real music.

There's a Playstation port of Earthworm Jim 2 that's kind of the equivalent of the first game's Special Edition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2BLJZnqq4U

If you're emulating you should grab the Sega CD or PC version of the first game and then the PS1 version of the second.

>>1562101
Thre's also a Saturn version of 2 that I believe is pretty much the same thing.

>>1562101
>>1562130
What makes those better than the Mega Drive version of 2?

>>1562145
Better music, primarily.

I always wondered if i was the only one not liking this game. I tried multiple times but i could not get past stage one before ive hat enough

>>1562058
It's like someone took the SNES version..
and shrunk it with no regard for aspect ratio

It's terrible looking

>>1561926
None of the original team were, the IP was sold to Interplay.

>>1562027
I wouldn't call it style over substance, I'd call it gimmicky, like they come up with a gameplay idea for one stage only to discard it and never use it again. The second game is even worse about this.
The platforming is fine for the time and hard mode is a decent challenge.

>>1560939
>But the gameplay, holy hell the gameplay. The slippery controls added with the narrow platforming, the unfocused level design, it's just a mess. It is not fun at all.
I haven't played this game OP but I'd bet my balls you're just another bitch who can't play video games blaming the mechanics for his own shortcomings. Jesus I hate faggots like you on /vr/

>>1562281
I think I am preddy gut at vidya, especially 2D-platformers. Megaman 4, Castlevania 3 and Sonic 2 are some of my all-time favourite games, and all of these are fundamentally different.

I just don't like Earthworm Jim, because of the controls. They aren't just different, they are done badly, especially combined with the level design - if you ask me, that is.

>>1560979
>implying the Mega Drive Alladin wasn't a hundret times better

>>1562381

Uh... they're different games.
We've been through this countless times, I prefer the SNES game because of better controls and level design, but I also enjoyed the Virgin one for the beautiful hand-drawn sprite animations.

A couple months ago, Shinji Mikami (who directed SNES Aladdin) said he likes the Virgin game better, and that he would have bought it back in the day instead of the SNES game, at the same time David Perry (who directed Virgin's aladdin) said he liked the SNES version more and that he would have bought it instead of the Virgin one back in the day, so there you go.

My complaint about the Virgin aladdin is the same as with EWJ, slippery control, weird hitbox detect with the sword, and the final boss is a joke, compared to the awesome screen-sized one in the SNES.

>>1561075
>homophobe
>implying that's a bad thing

>>1562046

Boycotting what? The guy hasn't done shit with his life since. If anything his stances that create uproar is actually free advertising to keep him relevant.

>>1564943
>What is Armikrog

>>1561087
>and the fish in a bowl for a boss?
is genius

>>1565112
Yeah, it was a funny joke.

But it could have been a great bossfight instead.

>>1562163

I always stop on Down the Tubes at the second submersible section.

>>1564949
I support Armikrog. I don't give a shit if the guy doesn't believe in gay marriage. He is just one person out many who does not, being famous doesn't make him extra special. At least he is a bigot that has made games people like and contributed to the world more than just being a dick and asshole to gay people. Lots of people that are famous are flawed, we just don't know which ones until they talk

I never played this I played Crazy Drake, are they the same?

>>1566897
What the hell is crazy drake

>>1566631
That's the thing though, he's a reasonably important member in his religious group so there's no way in hell he's ever going to support gay marriage, and some asshole baited him on this subject in an unrelated post in the comments session of his personal blog.

The whole thing seemed way exaggerated and planted to me, it's obvious that a serious christian would never agree with gay marriage, why are people even surprised at this?

I didn't really care for the regular platforming levels for the reasons OP mentioned, but the levels with the bouncing puppies were GOAT.

>>1566916
>but the levels with the bouncing puppies were GOAT.
You are literally the only person I've ever heard say this.

You are like a unicorn or some shit.

>>1566609
I hated that second level too but then I realized one of the difficult routes give you one extra life every time you fuck up, you essentially have unlimited lives for that session. Sound fair enough.

>>1566924
Eh, kinda fair.

You still need that extra air refill which is hidden behind a wall that looks like every other wall in the level, and running into those walls breaks your ship so you'd have no reason to check there.

>>1566929

>You still need that extra air refill which is hidden behind a wall that looks like every other wall in the level, and running into those walls breaks your ship so you'd have no reason to check there.

I had no idea this existed.

>>1566930
For real? Because I've never passed the level without it. Crazy.

>>1566935

I'm >>1566609 so I haven't passed the level. I've seen a video of someone getting through there without it though.

>>1566903
My childhood.

>>1566930
Also there is a secret teleport room that skips the pod part of the level. You appear in a hidden andy asteroids bonus level. I think this was only possible in the especial edition though.

>>1566915
>it's obvious that a serious christian would never agree with gay marriage
What shithole do you live in?

>>1567920
BR, I'm the guy who wrote that.
I stand by my point.

>>1567920
Isn't it obvious that a religious person would have controverse opinions about gay marriage, and that the commenter was asking about that to try to stir shit up.
Did I say something stupid?

But as the some other guy in this thread mentioned, his kickstarter got funded and tennapel hasn't really released a new comic or game in years, so it's all irrelevant.

>>1567932
>controversial
Fixd.

>>1566903
>motherfuckers who don't know 'bout Crazy Drake

>>1567932
>Isn't it obvious that a religious person would have controverse opinions about gay marriage
Not really, no, religious does not mean fucking retarded, and I say this as an atheist.

But let's not derail this thread any further.

>>1567937
You sound more like a gay rights militant.
The bible talks about pretty clearly about sodomy (anal sex) in multiple verses in both old and new testaments and how that's a disgrace upon men or whatever.
You already derailed it by bringing it up, good job.

>>1567939
But I didn't even bring it up. I don't care about the gays. But if you think religious means taking the bible literally and all that jazz, well, more power to you. I will stop responding now.

>>1567943
I didin't say that but whatever.