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Fantastic game, but it unfortunately falls into my "cannot replay this anymore"

I must have completed well over 100 times.

Because world map + exploration + saves + secrets + semi-long game.

That's the main formula in Nintendo to make "critically acclaimed" games in the SNES.

After all the times I've played this, I prefer Yoshi's Island now.

OP here. I'm a huge Super Mario Bros 3 fan. It was definitely my favorite game from my early childhood. It will probably forever be my favorite Mario game.

I've noticed something on 4chan. Many people seem to love one Mario game, and hate the other. Why? I find both of them to be perfect tens. Each game is similar, but has its own style.

>>1557762
mario 3 is obviously better than super mario world. I dont think anyone disputes that

>>1557762
It's not exclusive to Mario by any means, just look at any thread about Final Fantasy or Zelda. People like to feel that their opinion is superior to others, it's just kind of how the internet works. It's best not to engage in arguments over which game is "the best", but rather what makes each game good in its own way.

>>1557774
Agreed.

I bet that game would be fun with some Sonic music.

It's not. It has less power ups than SMB3.

Because it had a high focus on exploration and sprawling, vertical level design which Nintendo cannot replicate since all future Mario levels have to be 4-player compatible.

>>1557793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPsgskx2xYU

>>1557772

I do. Super Mario World is superior in every way, and it meant far more to the SNES than SM3 meant to the NES.

>>1557739
Thats not Super Mario Bros 3.

>>1557837
>Super Mario World
Leaf, Cape, and Yoshi are available frequently so that you may use whichever you prefer, yoshi also gains additional abilities based on his color, or the koopas present
>Super Mario 3
99% Leaf and Fire Flower
1% Tanooki Suit, Hammer Bro Suit, Frog Suit, Shoe, and Hot Gas

I'm really tired of this argument. If Mario 3 actually made use of the various powerups I'd be all for it, but with them being so scarce and half of them being redundant, I'll take the three from Mario World

>>1557772
SMB 3 gets boring after the first 3 worlds
SMW remains interesting until the end

Good control, level design, enemy design, game layout, music, creativity.

>>1557904
This. I remember the first time I played through SMB3, I got the frog suit maybe 3 times, and the Tanooki suit once.

Shigger's favorite Mario game

>>1557869

I honestly kept expecting that to break in to the Green Hill theme.

>>1557904
This is why I like ROMhacks like Mario Adventure (as well as using save abuse in Mario All-Stars). Putting Kuribo's shoe in ONE LEVEL was fucking evil of Nintendo.

If Super Mario World was so good, then why did the Genesis and Sonic kick the shit out of the SNES in the early 16 bit console war years?

Checkmate Worldeists

SMB 3's flight mechanics were much better.

I like 3 better but they're both great.

Come on janitor, appealing to sales is a legit point.

I swear, my opinion on SMB3 vs SMW changes every day. Some days, 3, some days, W. Feeling like W today.

...Is it bad that I like NSMBU better than the other 2D Mario games? I know /vr/ probably isn't the place to talk about this, but I feel like it had fantastic level design, a perfect difficulty curve, and the addition of challenge modes that highlight how well the stages were designed. Sure, some people bring up the argument that the NSMB series has a multiplayer focus, but I felt NSMBU was decidely single-player focused and better for it. Sure, one could argue that it's derivative of SMW and SMB3, but I think that it took the best of both games and perfected the formula.

>>1557762

>I find both of them to be perfect tens. Each game is similar, but has its own style.

Actually I think that's probably why people are so drawn to comparing them.

>>1557754

I'm right there with you brother. SMW was my favorite platformer for a long time. Now I prefer a lot of games over it.

There's a wonderful map
Star World
Yoshi as a mount moves through stages
Special stages are harder than anything the other marios had.
Also, better visuals.
Also Dinosaurs.

>>1557739
It's not. It's too easy.

>>1558772
no stage in any of the three other games is
as hard as the Special stages in SMW.
but i guess you had to write the popular vr opinion.

>>1558790
I blazed through the game with no effort whatsoever, so whatever you say.

>>1557739
I had played this for the umpteenth time, and I started to like Butter Bridge 1 a lot.

But I know that you can easily beat Tubular with a Cape+Blue Yoshi.

Also I like the many variations of the Overworld tune.

>>1557879
>Super Mario World is superior in every way

>>1557919
>SMB 3 gets boring after the first 3 worlds

But the first three worlds are the most boring compared to World 4-8

>>1561770
Warp Whistle, Bitch

I wish they'd go back to this art style for 3DS/Wii U.

>>1557904
>made use of the various powerups
This is my one major gripe with SM3. The shoe only shows up in what, one stage and even then I think you barely get to use it.
>the possibility of even losing the hammer suit

>>1562279
>using warps
what are you, some kind of fucking pansy?

>>1563567
>calling someone a pansy for not wanting to play something they find boring

okay

>>1563567
I normally went through the first three levels in 3, just to collect all the warp whistles. After that, the game was basically open to me, so it just depended on how I felt like playing.
I've beaten all the levels at some time or another, although never all on one playthrough. I usually skip around pretty liberally.

I've only beaten world 7 once.

>>1563571
If you find the game boring why play it at all you double nigger

>>1563601
The person doesn't find the game boring, he finds worlds 1-3 boring.

>>1557742
When I was a kid I was literally autistic enough to grind 999 lives on this thing with Secret Area and a few other levels. I don't know how or why I never got into grindy RPGs.

>>1563612
Or does he? It sounds like he was responding to a guy saying that all the worlds after world three were boring by saying that worlds 1-3 were definitely less interesting than 4-8. That doesn't mean he finds them boring.

>>1563614
The counter only goes up to 99.

>>1563614
>>1563643
Also it resets when you shut off the game, I think.
Or my save battery is dying.

>>1563589
I'm laughing so much at that pic right now.

I always feel like I'm the only person who doesn't like this game at all. SMB3 is one of the best games ever made, but this game I find very annoying. In OP's screenshot you can see what I immediately put me off, level design isn't very good if you put a big canon like that flying out of nowhere in the very first minute of a game.

Also I really don't care for the Yoshi character and the wing suit that Mario uses.

>>1564189
Super Mario bros 3 is an action game with some exploration. Super Mario World is an exploration game with some action. This may be the one thing that separates people on the two games.

In order to like both games, you have to keep an open mind. Super Mario World is a beautiful game to look at. It has super tight controls, too.

There's not as many power-ups in SMW as in SMB3, but the power-ups fit the levels and gameplay, so that's what matters.

Many of the concepts in SMW would not work in SMB3. And vice-versa.

>>1564208
SMW's exploration isn't even particularly good. Most levels don't have alternate exits, the ones that do usually lead to the same place as other exits and there's no reward for finding them all anyway.

>>1564310
Red levels eventually lead into star warps and shortcuts.
Then again I played too many romhacks and kinda forgot how the normal game looks like.

>>1564310
Don't forget about them ghost houses man. All of them had at least 2 exits I think.

>>1564189
The big missile doesn't fly that fast and it teaches new players the most important thing in a Mario game: you need to jump. Also interesting in the first few minutes of the game you are given two options for your first level. No Mario game before World did that and it shows the player that they will have different paths to explore.

>Why not both.jpg
I wish somebody would just make a game that combines all the retro Mario games
-SMW
-SMB3
-SMB2
-SMB:Lost Levels
-SMB
-Maybe even some elements from YI

For the 8-bit ones I suppose you'd have to use the All-Stars / re-release versions so it doesn't look off next to 16-bit graphics

There is something very close to this already, Super Mario Bros X., but sadly it's not being developed anymore, and the creator never bothered to realease the source code

>>1558772
Tubular.

all I have to say

>>1564527
I played Super Mario Bros. X a lot. I wish Nintendo would make a game like that, with world editor etc.

>>1564610
>SMBX
Man i miss that, I tried to do make some campaigns but it was just missing so much from the games its based off.

No underwater suction, and lack of many enemy's and bosses for example.

i ran through smb3 nes/snes/gba 2 days ago. got to love how the game actually gets difficult later compared to smw.
people tend to like smw more because it has yoshi and secrets everywhere.

>>1564057
Why? Only an idiot would actually jump up and run all the way to the left to get it.

>>1564926
yes that is probably why he finds it funny

>>1564926
Exactly. And you - do you normally laugh at success instead or something?

I like the art direction of the game but the music sucks and every surface has a slight ice slide characteristic.

Yoshi's Island is by far my favorite Mario game. I guess it's technically a part of the main series since it was originally dubbed "Super Mario World 2," after all.

I loved Super Mario World as well, but it felt a bit regressive compared to SMB3. The world didn't seem to have quite as many features and themes. It was just one continuous trek through Dinosaur Land, seeing the same enemies and environments. It kind of sucks that they removed all the different power-up suits and themed worlds.

>>1565064
I used to like SMB3 more than SMW but I then realised it was nostalgia goggles. I went back and replayed SMB3 a number of years ago after like... a decade of not touching it and it wasn't anywhere near as good as I remembered. I detested how short many of the levels were. I newly found the thematic worlds needlessly gimmicky. Most of the powerups were either useless (frog suit anywhere other than the water themed world, for example), too rare to matter (hammer and tanuki suits as well as Goomba's shoe [which can't even be used outside of a single stage]) or existed in older games anyway (flower/mushroom).

But hey, if you like SMB3 more than SMW, sorry if it seems like I'm putting the game down. I don't intend to, just that I used to feel the same. And then I didn't. :-(

>>1565064
>I guess it's technically a part of the main series since it was originally dubbed "Super Mario World 2," after all.
Only by those assclowns as Nintendo of America. Yoshi's Island is hardly a Mario game at all.

>>1565210
Except the Japanese name was "Supaa Malyo! Yoshiizu Airando!"
So... yeah... it's a Mario game on all counts, friend-o.

>>1558520
>>1563493
>Putting Kuribo's shoe in ONE LEVEL was fucking evil of Nintendo.
>The shoe only shows up in what, one stage and even then I think you barely get to use it.

ITT: people who are unable to appreciate something being special.

>>1565151

I didn't find the suits at all useless. There were water stages interspersed in most worlds, and the frog suit was pretty much mandatory for a couple of stages that appeared long after world 3.

The hammer suit is pretty useful in the 7th world due to allowing you to maintain proximity from all the fireball-spewing piranha plants. Remember that there are numerous pipes between you and them, so the fire flower is pretty useless. You have too many pipes obstructing your fireballs. The hammer suit also allows you to absorb enemy fireballs if you're ducking, so that was handy as well.

The tanooki suit's statue ability was useful for dealing with enemies in fortresses because they couldn't otherwise be knocked out by any other attacks, except maybe hammers. Plus you had all the standard benefits of the tail.

>>1565373
I liked that you could kill those spinning orb things by turning into a statue while you fall on them

>>1565064
>.gif
>Doesn't move

>>1565390
.gif is not purely for animation, you know.

note that the image is 20kb.

>>1565252
Except it isn't.

It was Super Mario, not Super Mario Bros. Big difference. Super Mario Bros. games are Mario games.

Besides, if you're going to count Yoshi's Island as a Mario game you'll also have to count Yoshi's Story, Yoshi Topsy-Turvy, Yoshi's Island DS, Yoshi Touch and Go, Yoshi's New Island, and Yarn Yoshi as Mario games, since they're all Yoshi platforming games.

Depending on how liberal you want to get here, you'll also have to count Yoshi, Yoshi's Cookie, and Yoshi's Safari.

Yoshi's Island is a Yoshi game, not a Mario game.

>>1565395
Note how converting it to PNG reduces the filesize to 11KB.

>>1565404
yeah if you want shitty compression

what a faggot

>>1565408
>Shitty compression

PNG is lossless and supports more than 256 colors.

>>1565410
>falling for propaganda
.gif masterrace

>>1565373
No shit the Hammer and Tanooki suit are useful as hell. The issue is that they're few and far between so you either conserve the shit out of them just in case and never end up using them or just plain never really get to use them period.

>dat special stage

it was challenging, but damn was it awesome

>>1565397
>It was Super Mario, not Super Mario Bros. Big difference. Super Mario Bros. games are Mario games.
That logic makes 64, Sunshine, Galaxy, and 3D World not Mario games.
>Besides, if you're going to count Yoshi's Island as a Mario game you'll also have to count Yoshi's Story, Yoshi Topsy-Turvy, Yoshi's Island DS, Yoshi Touch and Go, Yoshi's New Island, and Yarn Yoshi as Mario games, since they're all Yoshi platforming games.
>Depending on how liberal you want to get here, you'll also have to count Yoshi, Yoshi's Cookie, and Yoshi's Safari.
Except none of those carry the Super Mario title.

>>1565965
>Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island

>>1565968
Yeah thanks that's my point.

SMW2:YI is a Mario game. By default of it's title. And the protagonist is still MARIO. Yoshi is still just a mount. One massive power up.

The REST of the Yoshi games, however, are spinoffs.

>>1565986
>the protagonist is still MARIO

Wrong.

>>1565998
>wrong
>because if Baby Mario is carried away, the game keeps going

Also. Hey man. Fuck you. And your couch.

>>1566003
Escort missions typically end when the escorted is either captured or otherwise disabled.

>>1566008
Because they are the primary subject. Yes.

>>1566023
That doesn't make them the protagonist.

Pretty simple to understand.

>>1566028
Why not? When the entire concept of the game is centered around that character? If Yoshi met up with Mario in the middle and ferried him to save Luigi, sure. But that's not the case. It's a story about Mario was separated from his brother, and with the help of Yoshi, was able to find him, save him, and get home. That's how the game is framed. It starts off with Mario and Luigi being carried by the stork.

>This is a story about baby Mario and Yoshi
>not Yoshi and baby Mario

That syntax makes baby Mario the primary subject.

Pretty simple to understand.

>>1566051
>When the entire concept of the game is centered around that character?

This kind of logic makes Princess Peach the protagonist of SMB. Great job.

>>1566051
>Why not? When the entire concept of the game is centered around that character?

Never read The Great Gatsby?

>>1566069
I knew you would bring that up.
So I prepared an argument. And it's simple.
The gameplay has absolutely nothing to do with Peach. Barring certain titles, nothing can happen to her that with determine whether or not the game is lost. It's not a story about Peach sitting in a cage while Mario is out there somewhere trying to save her. It's a story about Mario going through trials with the ultimate goal of rescuing Peach.

In Yoshi's Island, the intro tells you that Mario knows where to go to find Luigi. So we can assume: Without Mario, Yoshi would not know what to do (he can't even figure out how to read the map that the stork dropped). Mario is trying to reach his brother, and the Yoshi's decide to help.They can only do so because baby Mario's connection to his twin brother is able to guide the Yoshi where to go.

>>1566095
Are you referring to the story being told through Nick's eyes? And suggesting that Jay Gatsby is not the main character? Because he is. Nick only conveys the story. But it is not about him.

Much like Yoshi literally convey baby Mario across the island.

Let me guess. You guys think John Conner is the main character of Terminator 2, don't you?

>>1566108
>And suggesting that Jay Gatsby is not the main character? Because he is.

Thank you for showing everyone you don't know shit about literature or fiction in general. Now I don't have to bother with you anymore.

>>1566114
How can you argue that Jay Gatsby is NOT the protagonist of that novel. Honest question.

The last time I read it was like ten years ago. But I'm genuinely interested in what you have to say.

>>1565064
>Super Mario World didn't seem to have quite as many features and themes. It was just one continuous trek through Dinosaur Land, seeing the same enemies and environments. It kind of sucks that they removed all the different power-up suits and themed worlds.

That's true, but Super Mario World is a different style of game than Super Mario Bros 3. The power-ups in SMB3 do not fit the style of SMW at all. The cape and Yoshi, however, match the colorful land of SMW perfectly.

It's also true that SMB3 had more themes. In fact, each of its 8 worlds had their own themes. But again, SMW only having one world and theme is all part of its style.

In the end, preference determines which Mario game the player likes best, but if you ask me, both games are perfect tens.

>>1563643
The GBA port goes up to 999.

>>1564057

>>1564189
...the wing suit? There's a feather that gives you a cape.

>>1566114
What kind of attitude is that? If you have useful information to share, share it.

>>1557749
Then how come nintendo never got it this good again?

>>1565965
>That logic makes 64, Sunshine, Galaxy, and 3D World not Mario games.

They aren't. They're 3D Mario games. 3D Mario games are different from Mario games.

>>1565965
>Except none of those carry the Super Mario title.

Doesn't matter. If you want to consider Yoshi's Island a Mario game, you'll have to consider all of the Yoshi platforming games as Mario games too since they're all descendants of Yoshi's Island. Yoshi carved out a series for himself, and Yoshi's Island was the first platformer in that series.

>>1565350
This.

That's what I LIKE about Super Mario Bros. 3. I like the fact that powerups are a finite resource and you can't just farm them. SMB3 struck the perfect balance of challenge vs. fairness. That's really hard to do in a game, is make the game just hard ENOUGH not to be totally unfair, but also not to baby the player.

t-thank you based miyamoto

>>1557904
>Hot Gas
? What power up is that, the cloud that lets you skip levels?

Hey I got an idea for a cool power-up, a balloon that makes you fat, and then your fat ass can float in the air.

And how about we make Mario ride a dinosaur. Only he has to be the gayest dinosaur ever conceived. Like, so gay that he will literally turn any children who love him gay when they grow up.

>>1567080
Worst thing about yoshi is that he doubles your hitbox making cave levels twice as difficult.

>>1567080

>o gay that he will literally turn any children who love him gay when they grow up.

Epic meme!

seriously, what's up with all the SMB3 vs SMW faggotry? both games are fucking great.

>>1567091
Which is made up for by the fact that Yoshi is nothing but a free hit that you can jump right back onto.

>>1557904
Really? I'm gonna be the first to point this out? Really? There's no fucking leaf in SMW.

>>1567213
He obviously made a typo. The point was only to count them, so no one cared because the count is still correct.

>>1567412
So did Anon mean fire flower, then?

>>1567420
>>1567420
Probs.

>>1567423
Oh. Isn't there some SMW hack or remake that has some SMB3 power ups in it? Or an SMB3 hack or remake that has the Super Feather in it for cape-havin' gameplay? I seem to recall playing a ver like that.

>>1567435
Probably, there's like fifty bajillion SMB/SMW rom hacks, and some of them are pretty gamechanging.

I don't see why you'd have the cape AND tail in the same game though.

>>1558638
NSMBU is certainly better than the other NSMB games, and probably the only one of those games I actually enjoyed. But its not as challenging as 3 and World, though.