/vr/ - Retro Games

Quite fond of Resident Evil 2

>>1559062

That's a shitty shot from an emulator and youtube. For some reason a lot of youtube Silent Hill videos have that purplish kind of fog.

>>1559065

Looks even better on PC or Dreamcast. Higher resolution. This looks so awesome on my CRT monitor.

Boku no Natsuyasumi has some really breathtaking scenes for a PS game.

vagrant story

other than that resistance c12 is supposed to look awesome as it was one of the last games for the ps1, but no one ever played it

>>1559062

I think the most technically advanced games when it comes to graphics on the PSX are:

Silent Hill (of course)
Metal Gear Solid (of course)
Vagrant Story
Eretzvaju (obscure fighter)
Kensei (looked really sharp, but shit game)
Ehrgeiz and its accompanying RPG of sorts

>>1559097
>Eretzvaju (obscure fighter)
3 polygon animu characters
>Kensei (looked really sharp, but shit game)
medium detail characters with deep but slow gameplay
>ehrgeiz
except for some gouraud shading, it looked worse than tekking 2. you could have talked bloody roar2 or dead or alive 1, but no, you had to go the weeb route

>>1559117

Did you see any of those 3 games?

The polygon counts they sport are clearly higher than any other game on the platform.

Eretzvaju not only has characters that are as detailed as Soul Edge's, but it also has up to 4 on screen.

And how the hell does that a game is from japan detract from the graphics?

>>1559117

also

>except for some gouraud shading, it looked worse than tekking 2. you could have talked bloody roar2 or dead or alive 1, but no, you had to go the weeb route

Because bloody roar and DoA are from nashville tenessee right?

Fucking idiot

WTF people, Silent Hill wasn´t graphics impressive back in the day nor it is today.
Konami used the cheapest engine they could, because they didn´t know if the game was going to flop or not.

Of course the game was great, but god help you if you want to distinguish letters from images in that texture dough.

Chrono Cross pushed some insane textures around, without the frame rate crawling FFIX later got.

You picked a bad console to showcase graphics, op.

The psx was a lot of things, but a graphical powerhouse? Fuck no.

Goddamn affine texture mapping, chunky, low res. There were more graphically outstanding games on every other console released at the time.

ITT: People can't understand the difference between visual impressiveness and graphical impressiveness.

difference being a culmination of artstyle and atmosphere aiding the games overall feel and just plain graphical fidelity and poly counts,textures etc.

>>1559176

Like what? Saturn? N64?

None had anything nowhere near Silent Hill.

What's the best on N64? Banjo Kazooie?

On Saturn? Nights? Dynamite Deka?

>>1559176
I see. So hindsight is 20/20, but learning is optional.

>>1559062
let's see (in no particular order)

>Ridge Racer Type 4 (best graphics on system, period, honestly seems more impressive than RR5 on the PS2)
>Wipeout 3 (almost looks like a DC title if you filter the textures and run it at 640x480)
>Vagrant Story
>Tekken 3 (I always thought the backgrounds looked neato, not sure if this one deserves a spot)
>Omega Boost (stylish as fuck, gets some really nice lighting out)

Every time I replay Syphon Filter, I grow more and more convinced that it has the most technically impressive engine that the PS1 is capable of.

>dat interactivity
>dem destructible light sources
>dat dynamic flashlight
>dat fucking taser

>>1559872
Gran Turismo 2 looks better than R4.

>>1559927
GT2 might have more content than R4, but it's not a nicer looking game.
From a style perspective, R4 looks better (eg, it actually is stylized). From a technical perspective, R4 is more impressive (better reflections and lighting model).

although, GT2 is still pretty high up there graphically, dunno why I skipped that

Racing games tend to be pretty high on "best graphics on system" anyway, since 3D lighting techniques tend to resemble metal and plastic really well.

The fear effect games sport an interesting cel shaded style check it out.

http://youtu.be/JDAw-FFn6tQ

>>1559939
R4's replays are just bland. GT and GT2 are the first times a racer almost looked like live-action for me.

I also hate R4's drifting sounds. It literally sounds like turkeys. GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE

>>1559939
Racer and fighters are usually showcases for system visuals, as you can have a lot or resources used at once without bogging down the game with tons of on-screen objects.

>>1559947
Huh, why haven't I seen this before? Character models look pretty stylish.

although, it looks kind of odd on top of more realistic pre-renders

>>1559170
FFIX had framerate crawling? Never had an issue with it ever.

FFIX is my vote for a really pretty game.

>>1559967
It gets my vote for one of the few newer FF titles that actually feels like an FF title.

Motorcycles and Cadillacs...wtf

>>1559982
Only '3D' Final Fantasy that feels like a Final Fantasy, IMHO.

>>1559982
>Motorcycles and Cadillacs

fuck year

>>1559967
Ya never played it on an actual PS1.

>>1559984
That's more like FF than the tripe Square has been crapping out as of late.

They're the Zack Snyder of gaming now. The games sure look good, but...that's about it.

>>1559992
Then that's an issue with emulation, not the game.

Koudelka looked impressive, both pre rendered and in-engine.
The ground textures during battle scenes didn't shiver or looked crooked unlike most Play1 games, I wonder how they did that.

Ironically, cartoony stuff like Crash and Spyro tends to look really good.
And you can't go wrong with handdrawn 2D, obviously. Legend of Mana or SaGa Frontier 2 will always look beautiful no matter what config you're using.

>>1559992
What emulation?
I played it on PS1, and the framerate chugged.

>>1560000
What emulation?
I played it on PS1, and the framerate chugged.

First Dino Crisis looks real good.
Most 3D fighters like this thread mentioned looks great, I specially love the way Destrega looks, both character and background models. Gameplay is really original too, it's an arena fighter based around projectiles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNpzPfCpoSM

The one that has perspective correct texture mapping and runs in 640x480.

>>1559145
They made good use of what they had, abusing fog and darkness to give the whole game a murky look. Most characters in the game are monsters that have a weird, fleshy appearance thatdoesn't require a lot of detail to look gruesome, most character intros are done via higher quality FMV scenes so you don't have to rely entirely upon the rough looking in-game models to know what people are supposed to look like. I think they did a great job of working with what they had, like how I remember reading that the fog was initially a way to hide pop-in of the background.

>>1560019
Uh, Bloody Roar 2 and DOA run close to 480p.

RR4 was pretty and stylish
GT2 had amazing looking replays

>>1560024
DOA on PS looked crappy compared to the Saturn version. Sure it had gouraud shading, but it was lower res and the textures were simple, so they essentially panned the camera back so it wasn't as noticeable.

I'd like to add Ghost In The Shell on the original PlayStation to the list. I always thought this game looked pretty good back in the day.

http://youtu.be/UH5-OqBL7bg

>>1560010
I never played it on an emulator. I played it on a PSX.

Either the first or one of the first (can't remember which) PS games to use level of detail rendering to get insanely long (for the PS) draw distance.

>>1559062
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg1VEV4QhtA

>>1560024
Nothing on PS1 runs at 480p. Highest supported vertical resolution is 480i, and hardly any games use it except for menus and static screens (good thing too, because 480i looks worse than 240p).

>>1560019
Tobal No. 2?

>>1560057
Yah, I messed up, p stands for progressive scan and i for interlaced, right?
I think progressive scan wasn't a thing until the ps2.

I thought Ace Combat 3 looked pretty impressive for the time.

>>1560057
But really, DOA and Bloody Roar run close to 480, something like 256x420 or some crazy number like that. It's not just for menus and static screens.

>>1560040

IIRC it's one of those PS1 games with widescreen support.

My vote is easily Soul Blade. In motion, this raft stage was pretty damn crazy for PS1.

>>1559092
Everyone's fucking hot in Vagrant Story, Jesus.

>>1559176
You're in /vr/. Bad graphics are (mostly) expected. The fun in this thread is finding the most good-looking games for an old console. The point is not to argue what retro console had the best graphics.

>>1560065
480p was rare even on the PS2.

>>1559097
Silent Hill isn't technically advanced, it has good art direction that hides the technical limitations.

>>1559872

I came here to post OB.

>>1560045

This too.

>>1560045
That has to do with the simplicity of the rendering and textures, so they can repeat them without using up too much ram, allowing for more polygon/texture draw

>>1559176
>N64
>Spartan texturing, forced vaseline filtering

>Saturn
>Good at 3D

>>1560045
I got this game for my 8th birthday and I remember being amazed at the amount of detail on characters and the environment.For comparison, I got Frogger that same birthday.

I always thought the battle sequences in this looked relatively good back then even the cool summons, of course the world view was kind of shitty

>>1560251
Good luck getting Virtua Fighter 2 to run that well on other consoles. PS sure as fuck couldn't handle the engine. It had to be completely rebuilt and toned down just to get DOA on PS.

>>1559207
>What's the best on N64? Banjo Kazooie?
Banjo Kazooie's graphics are significantly better than Silent Hill from a technical perspective. It was probably the most advanced looking console game at that time.

Art style? Well that's a different story

Einhänder looks pretty good in all the sides,specially the animations of the enemies

>>1559207
KI Gold on N64 looked great
VF2 on Saturn,

>>1560010
>>1560041
>>1560000

Yeah this is the first I've heard of it.

FFIX ran fine for me.

Also, it gets my vote for prettiest game.

The 3rd Spyro game looked pretty good

>>1560479
I thought it looked worse than the SNES game, plus you can always emulate KI2 on MAME these days which looks and plays far better.

>>1560490
>I thought it looked worse than the SNES game

the fuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fVaG_YtE8c

Looking at some of the great examples in this thread am I the only one who thinks devs just stopped trying? New stuff, in the same series in many cases, "looks better" but is significantly less ambitious and generally not as cool looking. WTF?

>>1560507
Video games generally have shit tier art direction and design. Even if the concept art looks sound, 99% the final project will be lifeless and dull.

>>1560259
That looks like a SuperFX SNES game.

>>1560521
>transparency effects
>gouraud shading

lol no

>>1560259
I always liked that game. Had it on PC though so by the point I got into it I'd already seen Unreal and what not. Still a visually appealing game they managed to squeeze on the SNES.

My vote though is for Quake 2.

Shitty pic, but I'm not sure another PS1 game looks as nice. Crash Team Racing and Spyro are visually pleasing, but they crammed a lot of textures usage out of Quake 2... Impressive to me.

>>1559993
I haven't been remotely interested in a FF since 9... Sad, that.

>>1560578
10 and 12 are worth it imo, though the story kinda sucks in both of them

>>1560476

It wasn't just the enemies (although they could blow up in a variety of ways depending on your weapon and methods). The game itself feels quite... cinematic in some places (Stages 2, 6, and 7 off the top of my head).

>>1560069

VIRUS ALERT and the duel with Dision in the Electrosphere were pretty fucking unreal, even when I replayed the game recently.

>Counting games with pre rendered back drops

Spyro is great, that draw distance

Runs amazingly smoothly for the PS1.

>>1560937
It uses a variant of the Tekken engine. Why wouldn't it run smoothly?

>>1560563
*PS1 I mean. Not SNES...

>>1560563

Quake 2 on N64 looked horrible.

The system was on its knees and it showed..

>>1563126
your mom was on her knees and it showed

>>1559062

The people who made Hokuto no Ken for PSX really knew what the fuck they were doing with textures

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imJzuorRRtQ

Vagrant Story and Crash Bandicoot 3 are the top 2 without a doubt.

90s Naughty Dog were fucking wizards.

>>1563204
Looks good.

But its a Fist of the North Star game, so it must be absolutely dreadful. That's how things go.

The worst version of the game, but it is still Metal Slug.

>>1563206
How? How could you fuck up a game about punching people until they explode?

>>1563231
Have you played Fist of the North Star aka Last Battle on the Genesis? It isn't even bad bad. Just boring.

And as far as I can see that is far from the only terrible console adaptation.

>>1563231
Try it NES and that will answer your question.

>>1563126
>Quake 2 on N64 looked horrible.

It was just a bad port. The terrible animation gave that away.

>>1563204
Oh goddamn, those are some next gen texture mapping on a PlayStation!

Also awesome real time intro. Actually fun to watch and not just a waste of space that you just skip through.

>>1561258
What evidence do you have of this?

>>1565160
Similar character builds, similar background geometry (endless ring with 2D backdrops), runs on System 11 hardware.

>>1565178
Correction. System 16. It's PS1 based arcade hardware.

>>1565178
>>1565178
No, it doesn't. It uses the Capcom ZN-1.
But yes, they are both PSX based arcade boards.

>>1563235
>>1563231
>>1563206
The SMS and Atomiswave HnK games are good.

>>1565194
I corrected that in the follow-up post. They've different hardware versions based on Playstation tech.

Ico on PS1

>>1565276

>>1560263
I haven't played Legend of Legaia in forever.
I played Legaia 2 on the PS2 briefly.

>>1560484
>>1560000
>>1559992
>>1559967

FF9 has frame rate issues especially in battles. I'm going to guess that you guys simply did not notice it. but it's totally there.

>>1565276

>tfw you will never play the last guardian

Gran Turismo 1 and 2 have aged incredibly well, and were mind-blowing when I played them back in the day. Ridge Racer 4 arguably trumps it with its lighting and ambiance.
Syphon Filter has impressive detail for a PS1 game.
FFVIII had some stunning combinations of FMV and real-time.
Then there's Einhander.

Frankly, I prefer the PS1's blocky yet crisp textures to the PS2's blurry ones.

Metal Gear Solid
Einhander
Omega Boost

Maybe I just like robots.

No Tekken 3?
Seriously?

M
D
motherfucking
K

FFIX takes the cake when it comes to cinematic stuff at least, in that "It's FF at it's most refined PS1 state" way.

>>1559170
Like it or hate it, this game was pretty damn beautiful.

>>1560937
>1440x1080
why

>>1560474
Stop n64 games aren't looking like oddworld or heart of darkness. They also can't into audio and fmv

>>1559915
Yeah, effects-wise Syphon Filter pulled off a lot of decent stuff. The blood and spark particles looks decent too, it has bullet hole decals, and then the more gimmicky stuff like the nightvision rifle and x-ray scanner. Sure it all could look janky at times, but hey it was there. Firing the taser down a dark hall and seeing the blue light sourcing zip along the floor and walls was cool, and it all ran at a decent frame rate for PS.

>>1560057
>480i looks worse than 240p
lol, whatever

>>1569224
what games that?

>>1569323
Mah nigga of all niggas.

I can't stress how impressive the destructible light sources were at the time.

I also quite enjoy the black soot texture that plasters the affected surfaces in the aftermath of an explosion.

The character animation, while slightly janky-looking, was really fluid and detailed. I recall there was some kind of primitive ragdoll implemented, too.

Fuck, I love SF.

>>1563205
>90s Naughty Dog were fucking wizards.
They really were. You might be interested in reading this if you haven't already:
all-things-andy-gavin.com/2011/02/02/making-crash-bandicoot-part-1/

>>1569326
Another Chrono Cross screen. Tl;dr it's part of the scene when you're transported into a dimension that looks like this painting.

>>1569354
*a painting

>>1560937
4:3 derp

soul reaver always impressed me back in the day

but my memory might be messing with me

>>1569324
You get heinous jaggies in 480i. With 240p the bloom serves as mechanical AA

>>1569324
Interlacing always looks like shit. You have the choice of disgusting flicker and combing artifacts, or almost as bad deinterlacing artifacts and higher latency. Allowing interlacing in HDTV standards was a big mistake.

>>1569183

Dude, that thing on the right is a huge half-limp cock and balls.

>>1569224
Only good thing about Chrono Cross was the soundtrack.

>>1563204

Damn I forgot about this one.

Looks even better on higher resolution.

I cannot understand how they could cram so much in so little ram. Specially in the intro, since there's music playing and disc cannot be accessed (and there's no loading times anywhere)

I remember seeing screens on IGN when it came out.

Yeah it's between this one (HNK), Silent Hill, Vagrant Story and Metal Gear

>>1565276

Holy fuck I've never seen this

Thanks

Reminded me a lot of the Saturn Shenmue.

Had it come out, it would have been the most fleshed out game of that gen.

And it would probably have also flopped.

>>1572336
That's actually wrong

>>1560263
>>1566823
>tfw just bought this game for 30 bucks.
Hopefully its as good as I remember. Although I only really remember monsters coming out of Mist and having to punch the shit out of Mist Generators

>>1560563
>Quake 2
I agree, and you forgot to mention it had competitive 4 player splitscreen multiplayer. Oh the many fun nights we had playing that game with my pals back then...

We later moved on to Quake 3 on DC, but I always felt 2 was better

For it's time, Colony Wars: Vengeance looked really cool, the big capital ship explosions were especially satisfying. The soundtrack was also top notch and the intro movie was quick, simple, and immersive.