/vr/ - Retro Games

Also replying to my own post real quick.. and I made a picture. The logitech controller on the left looks like one I have laying around.

The controller on the right is a fightpad used for street fighter 4 and other fighting games. I heard some people say they're great for playing old games, I might try it out myself.

Snes is the answer.

>>1542421
Oops. Man I keep screwing up my posts today.

360 is damn fine when emulating stuff with an analog. Otherwise, yeah, that dpad is a killer.

Before I used to play with Logitech pads. Aside from them wearing out on me, they all served me well.

Right now, I'm waiting for this bad boy to come in the mail. Hori's shit is usually quality, so I'm looking forward to it.

>>1542421
Personally I'll use either my PSP for on the go emulation for long journeys and shit, or a PS3 controller running with "Better DS3 tool".

I'm not a sony fanboy or anything, I just didnt see the point in buying a specific controller when I could just wire my ps3 controller and use that. The d-pad is practically the same as back in the PS1 days, so you know it's good, even if it's not top tier.

That's what I use and I'd say I'm happy with it, but any controller you feel comfortable with is gonna be the best for you. It's hard to go wrong with a saturn/snes controller though, comfiest motherfuckers on the planet.

>>1542443
OP here,I have an xperia play for on the go emulation, it's a dream as far as comfort goes.

I have lots of ps2 controllers I could get an adapter for I suppose, maybe I'm being picky.

I think I might try out my logitech controller and get the saturn USB.

>>1542417
>When googling so many often recommend an xbox 360 controller, I can't really understand why.. I'm not a fan of the d-pad on it. Which is what I mainly care about, a good dpad.


You can always modify the default dpad, it's pretty simply and makes a huge difference. Or you can install a transforming dpad. Either one is pretty simple. Just one is next to free and the other will set you back about $5.

default dpad fix http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBZVN9t9ztE
transforming dpad mod http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYNC9EyI-BM

>>1542465
That's not bad idea, I like the idea of doing that. I have a third party 360 controller, it can be sketchy at times so I'm not sure I'd bother with it.

It will randomly stop working sometimes and I'm forced to unplug and plug back in

>>1542421
>>1542427
Madcatz fightpad is a huge steaming turd. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot. The dpad is too large, sloppy & extremely greasy. The buttons not very responsive and the contact pads wear out extremely fast. Worst controller I've ever had the displeasure of owning. Also anyone who tells you that it performs like a Sega Saturn controller never owned a Saturn or has not touched a Saturn since the 1990s. Because this statement is entirely false.

>>1542473
I installed spacers on all of my pads and a couple of my friends, everyone loves how much of an improvement it makes. And moves like the spinning piledriver & yoga flame are easy to pull off after. But one of them I'm going to install a transforming dpad to, since I use it more for PC and want to see how much of an improvement that makes.

Does it shut off during use or after you exit the game? Cause I've noticed my wired controlled appears to turn off after I exit a game, but it still works. Just that the controlled id light turned off.

>>1542425
>only 4 face buttons
Yeah, nah, you're a cunt.

>>1542458
>I have lots of ps2 controllers I could get an adapter for I suppose, maybe I'm being picky.
If you do, get one made by Mayflash. They make some solid adapters and my PS1/PS2 4player adapter has never given me trouble. Just keep in mind that most, if not all of these adapters are written for directx and not xinput. So if you want to use it with most newer pc games you're going to need a wrapper. Chalk that down to one more advantage of owning an xbox360 controller.

>>1542465
If it's such an easy fix to improve the dpad then why don't microsoft make it that way in the first damn place?

>>1542554
I'll forward your query to Microsoft's controller design division since I work there.

>>1542564
Thanks.

>>1542554
Well if you read through what I wrote in the JPG, they did try to fix it. It just was not enough.

>>1542564
I doubt it'd make a difference. They don't care about 360 anymore, now that they've got the improved One controller.

>>1542428

Couldn't you have just ordered a Hori Ps3 Gem pad? They're 10 bucks cheaper

>>1542496
Well damn. Can you recommend a great controller then? You seem to know your stuff and I'd appreciate it.

I really want a good dpad for 2d games. I am gathering some nice opinions in this thread though.

>>1542496
And no the controller shuts off while in game. It will just freeze up and/or character spins in circles or something.

>>1542417
>>1542421
>>1542427
I can say that the logitech controller is actually pretty good.

The dpad and buttons are pretty nice. The sticks are a little to close together, if you have small hands its not bad, but I can see larger handed people having an issue. Good dpad though.

PS4 controller is pretty damn nice too and doesn't have the crowded problem with the sticks from being wider.


As for a Saturn style one I don't know. I really want a Saturn style USB controller myself, fighting games are so much better with 6 face buttons and that nice big disc of a dpad.

>>1542610

1.) I nabbed that one for about 20 bucks (25 after shipping)

I also intend to use it on my 360 for 2D games and also so I don't have to keep buying batteries.

Whats the best controller for PSX emulation?

AND THEN THE THREAD DIED

Pic related is cheap and works well for me. If you have a defective controller, apparently you can get a refund.

My only problem now is that Retroarch on Android is not picking up any of the buttons on the controller yet can still detect the D-Pad

>>1543557
>>1543534
Uh, pick one?

Grab a PS1/2 controller with the appropriate adapter or a PS3/4 controller, which as far as I know, both supported on the PC.

If you intend to use analog, don't get logitech.

>>1543560
I've heard these are great is there any Saturn style equivalent?

>>1543584
Not that I'm aware of, kind of looking for a good one myself

Someone fucking link to the best 360 controller out there.

>>1543589
the d-pad will always let you down anon-kun.

>>1543502
Yeah I think I'm actually liking the logitech's dpad as well.

Cool, I think I'm done asking the thread now. Good replies and I appreciate it all.

I'm gonna snatch up a sega saturn controller sometime, they're around $10 shipped and ready to go on ebay so it's not much of a gamble.

>>1543589
It's just hella expensive.

>>1543591
Goddamnit WHICH logitech is the best?

>>1543593
I think he might be referring to this:

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Pad-EX-Turbo-Black/dp/B002LT9PXQ

Which I don't recommend hunting for unless you think you'll get lucky. They don't make it anymore.

I'll get back to you when this >>1542428 gets here, though.

>>1543596
Hell I don't know friend, I have this one.

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-12-Button-Gamepad-Programmable-Buttons/dp/B003POCEWU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1397451831&sr=8-3&keywords=logitech+dual+action

The f310 is supposedly really good.. It's extremely similar to the one I linked.

Here's the f310
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-940-000110-Gamepad-F310/dp/B003VAHYQY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1397451878&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+usb+gamepad

>>1542427
I use the wireless version of the left in this post on my PC.

I use my pic for emulating on the Wii.

>>1543602


HELLO /vr/ WAKE THE FUCK UP

>>1543602

Hell I don't know friend, I have this one.

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-12-Button-Gamepad-Programmable-Buttons/dp/B003POCEWU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1397451831&sr=8-3&keywords=logitech+dual+action

The f310 is supposedly really good.. It's extremely similar to the one I linked.

Here's the f310
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-940-000110-Gamepad-F310/dp/B003VAHYQY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1397451878&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+usb+gamepad

>>1543621

All of the ones I've used have been largely the same. The only thing that really ever changed was controller size, layout, and rumble options.

>>1543591
Where are you finding real Saturn controllers for 10? I keep seeing 25 bucks and questionable condition. Was considering a Retrolink version, but no idea if they are made cheaply or with the real dpad.

>>1543602
They aren't much different F310 is good but no rumble, not really a big deal most retro stuff doesn't have rumble anyway. F510 is discontinued but had rumble. F710 has everything and wireless. F310 is fine and cheap.

>>1543627
between $10-15 on ebay. here's one I was thinking of:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WHITE-SEGA-SATURN-STYLE-USB-CONTROLLER-PC-MAC-GAMEPAD-RB-PC-0387-/230885644434?pt=US_Video_Game_Controllers&hash=item35c1db5892

And not the guy you replied to but I have the dual action, which apparently is inferior to the F310 which replaced it.

>>1543627
Make sure you're looking for USB, original Saturn pads are of course more expensive. Sega made USB Saturn pads for their Play Sega service, these are the $10 pads being referred to. I have a Retrolink USB Saturn pad and it's overall decent, the d-pad is awesome, buttons are good, connectivity has no issues, but the shoulder buttons feel terrible..

>>1543643
Woah, so 1st party sega controllers that are USB? Where on earth can I find these?

Attempting to google / ebay as we speak.

>>1542583
>>1542569
do you people really think he works for Microsoft? did you really miss that sarcasm? damn, /vr/, y'all are trusting.

>>1543645
just search "play sega usb"
they are plentiful.

>>1543650
I love you so much right now anon.

And I did find it, actually watching a video about it now and it's pretty cool.

What an interesting thing I learned today as well, the sega play service itself that is now defunct.

Do you have one of these? Last question, do I need special drivers for it you think?

I'm running Windows 8.. I may purchase one, hoping there won't be issues. Thanks again dude.

>>1543646
I thought they were being sarcastic back to me.

>>1543584
>>1543587
Actually iBuffalo also makes these babies which are more like a dual shock I suppose but having the 6 face buttons make them ideal for both Saturn and N64 emulation. Actually this is just all around a great controller - I'm not sure why this type of controller isn't significantly more popular.

>>1543663
I'll take your word for it since I've not ever seen or used one, but I would guess its not more popular because it looks like too many buttons over not enough controller, those sticks looks almost close enough to knock together.

Might check it out though, but I'm getting to the point for non-analogue using games I'ld rather use a controller with no sticks in the way. Found my Genesis controllers the other day and had forgotten how damn comfy they are. I don't have a 6 button one or I'ld use them.

>>1543689
Ah, in that case I'd recommend this guy.

>>1542417
For anyone planning on buying the SEGA USB controller the cheap give away one was shit and the D-pad broke after ~2 weeks. If you want a cheap Saturn USB controller I would recommend Reto Link.

>>1543663

Woah, gimme the name of that would you? Googling ibuffalo controller only directs me to the SNES ones.

>>1543694

This one too please?

>>1544105

Well I found the Creative Controller, it's a Cobra 2 and it's discounted, so that's out.

As for the buffalo controller, still haven't found it but I have a hunch that's discounted too.

>>1544109

>discounted

I meant discontinued. I shouldn't be posting this tired.

>>1543663
http://www.amazon.co.jp/iBUFFALO-USBゲームパッド-16ボタン-連射・振動・マクロ機能-BSGP1601BK/dp/B0031UCGLW/ref=pd_bxgy_computers_text_y

I found info about this controller, theres no analog triggers and theres only 2 stars on Amazon.jp.

>>1543663
So are there any controllers with 6 buttons + 2-3 triggers +2-6 middlebuttons(turbo/macro need not apply) + dual analog that are good? It seems like all of them feel very hit or miss.

I had a Sabrent, but the build quality crashed into a million pieces on the floor. Cheap, but you get what you pay for. No mappable buttons in the middle for start menu though.

Had a Gamer's Factory USB Game Controller(aka Manta Dragon), it was good with some bulk, but I often had trouble with the analog sticks sticking in the up direction. One of the buttons got permastuck, and now it's completely shelved

Now I'm ordering this on Amazon, and I'm wondering how the build quality fairs in comparison to those two. There's also a Sanwa that I saw on ebay, but PSX-esque controllers often tend to feel more crowded and the dpad doesn't feel as great compared to the SNES/Genesis type dpads.

>>1543646
Way to sell the rib kid.

>>1543468
>Well damn. Can you recommend a great controller then? You seem to know your stuff and I'd appreciate it. I really want a good dpad for 2d games. I am gathering some nice opinions in this thread though.

If it's just going to be used for emulation, go with a Mayflash adapter and an actual console controller, like the Wii Classic Pro or a Dualshock2. Or if you can find one at a good price, get a SLS Saturn USB controller.

>>1544204
And you could consider these too.

>>1542417
If you already own a ps3 or 360 you can use the controllers. Just download the driver for the controller and you're golden.

>>1543631
Those are TRASH. The Retrolink/gTron Saturn knockoff is a massive piece of shit. They are NOT even remotely on par with a real Saturn controller, nor are they on par with the SLS Saturn controller.

That said, you can modify one to make a much better item. But you're going to need a real Saturn controller to make it happen and a soldering iron. What you're going to do is real simple, take both apart, swap the top micro switches and install the USB PCB with the original Saturn's micro switches installed into the original Saturn's shell.

After which you'll have a good controller. But not before. As the Retrolink/gTron molding was poorly replicated and prone to issues like dpad sticking and the dpad breaking.

>>1544206

I use the Hori on the upper right there. It's pretty great although it's a shame you can't make it so that the far right face buttons are distinct from the shoulder buttons.

I emulate with an og xbox and wii.

Xbox controller s aint bad, classic controller pro is excellent.

For computer a 360 afterglow is alright, dpad is better than 1st party and it's realiable as fuck. I mainly use a ds3 with bluetooth dongle which is awesome for psx and snes games

>>1542610
They're 10 dollars cheaper for a reason. They don't have rumble.

They're not Xinput either, which is a mild negative.

>>1544251
See my friend is letting me use his afterglow, It'd be just perfect if it didn't want to randomly shut off.. but that's pretty rare.

I also can't be sure if it's even the controller's fault or if he didn't take care of it. And Iagree with you, the dpad is a a bit better than the standard 360.

>>1544204
>>1544206
Glad you got back to me, I'm going to save these pictures, liking the way you think.

Logitech Precision Pad is the one I use for retro emulation. I've been able to beat a few difficulty hacked roms with this controller. It's also great for 4-button fighters since you can map horizontal or diagonal two button presses to those.

>>1542417
Dual Shock 3 is the way to go.

>>1542427
The Logitech F510 is my favorite PC controller ever. The triggers may be a little too stiff but I mostly use it for games like Soul Reaver and a bunch of other ones from GOG. It's also perfect for emulating Dreamcast and PS1.

The Mad Catz Fightpad controllers are great for Genesis/SNES era games and older but I still prefer >>1544540 in that regard.

If I had to choose between the original fat Mad Catz Fightpad and Fightpad S.D., I would go with the fat model but they don't have a wired version for the PS3. Unless you don't mind having to get new batteries every few days of heavy use or have rechargeable batteries around, I would stay away from the PS3 fat Mad Catz Fightpad and go with the Fightpad S.D. [they are currently Street Fighter X Tekken themed] which are wired.

>>1544545
DS3 has a wonderful d-pad. One of the best I've tried. Too bad the controller is expensive as fuck.

>>1542498
wat

Why would you even want more than that?

I like my F310 a lot.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16879261324
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833139019
(If you're on a computer with built-in bluetooth, such as a mac, then you don't need to buy the adapter.)

I really want a controller like the Xbox 360 or Dualshock controllers with 6 face buttons instead of 4 since that would cover pretty much every home console controller's needs with one controller.

>>1544734
Not him, but Capcom fighting games, I guess.

>>1544891
I'd rather have more shoulder buttons, since they're a superior input over trying to handle all the stuff in a fighting game with just your thumb.

>>1544906
Shit...it's this guy again

>>1544906
Ignore this guy. He keeps pulling this shit every few days.

>>1544914
>>1544917
Truth hurts.

>>1544920
Stop with the shit b8, alright?

>>1544926
Everything you don't like hearing isn't simply troll bait. I'm sorry.

>>1544926
How about you stop responding to shit b8?

>>1544930
Nah...just shitting up the thread w/comments regarding how your personal preference should be forced on everyone else.

It's fucking old, and it's fagging up EVERY controller thread, and the "my opinions are fact" shit is also pretty juvenile and rust-old. Get the fuck over yourself.

>>1544932
Because he knows that deep down it's a truth but somehow thinks that it'll somehow go away the more he attacks the character of the person presenting it.

>>1544937
>opinions I don't like hearing
>SHITTING UP A THREAD!
How about you stop responding dumbass if my perspective is really so incompatible with your view of the world?

>>1544920
ban this faggot already

>>1544943
>>>/gamefaqs/

When are those xboxone controller drivers coming out? 360 controller is so comfortable, but the dpad is borderline useless.

>>1544941
>How about you stop responding dumbass if my perspective is really so incompatible with your view of the world?

Says the person getting pissy at people who like 6-button faces.

Tell me another one, retard. You started this shit, and now, you can't handle it.

>>1544965
I think you should go back and have a long look at the reply chain.

>>1544974
What for? It's the same shitposter making the same shitposts starting up about "superior input" and fuck all, and not understanding that people don't play all games the same way.

I'm smart enough to understand this, so have all the nfucking shoulder buttons you want for your own preference, BUT I'd like a 6-button face as well for my preference.

I've said this before, giving an example of a controller that would be the best for both worlds, but I get the "HURR DURR you don't need that many face buttons. Well, HURR DURR you don't need that many shoulder buttons.

Don't like the "inferior input", then don't use those buttons.

>>1544982
The only person doing any antagonizing or demonstrating any level of "pissiness" was some fuckwad telling someone they're a cunt for wanting to use an SNES controller.

>>1544985
>How about you stop responding dumbass if my perspective is really so incompatible with your view of the world?

Yeah. That's totally not being antagonizing or pissy.

I pretty much only use a controller when I need an analog stick. I prefer using a keyboard when it comes to 2D games because they're a lot more flexible.

>>1544992
Nope, it's defending myself from some gamefaqs forum-level shithead who throws a tantrum and tries to discredit or silence people whenever they present a viewpoint he can't handle.

>>1544993
I tried when I had no PC gamepad, but it just feels to to me. I prefer using a dpad for movement.

>>1544994
>gamefaqs forum-level shithead who throws a tantrum
>not being pissy or antagonizing

This is getting hilarious

>whenever they present a viewpoint he can't handle

like preferring 6-buttons faces. Gotcha.

>>1544998
The only people shitting up these threads is assholes like you who make such a big issue about someone from your childhood not being as perfect as your nostalgia-clouded judgment would have you believe. I suggest you learn to live with different opinions if you want it to stop.

>>1544995
I couldn't even imagine myself doing the stuff I do in Guilty Gear anymore on a D-pad. Having finer controller with isolated movement inputs on your fingers can really give you an edge in certain games.

>>1545005
>I suggest you learn to live with different opinions if you want it to stop.

Tell the controller fag who only wants shoulder buttons, and refuses to accept that some people like different configurations from his own. I'm perfectly fine with more shoulder buttons, as long as I can have the added variety of the 6-button face.

I've made this clear so many times on so many different occasions, but fascist fag wants his "NO, my way or the highway" controller.

>who make such a big issue about someone from your childhood not being as perfect as your nostalgia-clouded judgment would have you believe.

I think your drugs just kicked in, because I have no fucking clue what you're rambling on about now.

>>1544815
I got a huge amount of latency when I tried using my DS3 with bluetooth.

I always use it with a USB cable instead.

>>1545014
>Tell the controller fag who only wants shoulder buttons
I never said nor implied that and it's really quite pathetic how much you continue to cling to this desperate straw man.

>>1545018
You mean these two posts aren't you?
>>1544734
>>1544906
Or the same guy from other threads who was rambling on about how if you had it your way, you'd have no more than 3 face buttons, if even that many?

>>1545009
Well, I personally prefer a stick, but I'm just not comfortable with using the kb controls for most console games.

Games like Dreamcast Quake 3 and Unreal Tourney being exceptions, for obvious reasons.

>>1545029
Nope, all I've been arguing over these past pathetic excuses for debates now is how shoulder inputs are objectively superior to face buttons. Which they are. Objectively. You have -objectively- more control over a game by handling more inputs with more fingers instead of your one thumb. It's a very simple concept which keyboards operate by, pianos, arcade tops, all sorts of instruments. Hand-held controllers are designed... to be held in your hands. Trying to operate them in any sort of hamfisted makeshift arcade top is simply not how they made to be used.

Those are my only arguments and after failing repeatedly to refute them now the only thing you seem to be able to focus on is the things I never said instead of what's relevant. Is it that you just can't handle being wrong? So you have to continue arguing about anything at all to feel better? Are you going to shit up every controller thread with this frivolous grudge every time someone brings it now?

And yeah, four face button is actually already approaching thumb input redundancy. I might agree that three is plenty and any more inputs belong elsewhere on a controller for your other fingers to handle.

>>1545068
>Nope, all I've been arguing over these past pathetic excuses for debates now is how shoulder inputs are objectively superior to face buttons. Which they are. Objectively.

lol

If you respond to this, you are more easily baited than a hungry fish. Just keep scrolling.

>>1545093
... Said the guy who felt the need to respond.

>>1545068
Well, you just proved his "strawman" was anything but. You essentially proved EVERYTHING that was said about you in that post.

*golf clap*

>>1545097
I'm not the guy arguing with this dipshit, though. I'm pointing it out to /vr/ because apparently some people here can't even spot bait while standing in the middle of a bait shop.

Any time someone tries to assert that their preferences are objectively good should be a red flag, but people keep going anyway. If you're really so bored that you have to respond to retarded trolls to pass the time, go do something else, like playing video games.

>>1545106
and now we're back to here
>>1544930

>>1545105
I think you need to work on your reading comprehension because none of that says the bullshit that other anon was trying to present as my actual opinion. I don't have a problem with more face buttons. But it is wasteful past a certain point when they could be increasing your input control in a more meaningful way elsewhere on a controller.

Jesus, I like /vr/ better than /v/, but when you guys argue amongst yourselves, you'll argue over the dumbest things at a tedious, almost masochistic pace.

And you know what, most of the time it's over shit that has little to do with actual video games, themselves, too. How about you all shut up and get back on topic so that guys like me don't have to wade through dozens of neurotic shitposts to have a decent conversation about controllers and emulation.

>>1544206
I use the SNK Neo Geo Pad USB in the top left there

9.5/10, my only complaint is that the stick/dpad thing gets all slippery, but that's my fault for being a sweaty faggot.

>>1545131
>that stick/dpad thing that is only seen on SNK products

WHY

WHY AREN'T MORE COMPANIES USING IT

>>1543617
I use this beast when I'm not using a keyboard.

>>1545138
Maybe they have it patented or something. Nintendo used to have Yokoi's D-pad design patented until it finally expired before the Wii came out.

>>1545125
I suggest you stop making posts like that if you don't want attention being drawn to the problem.

>>1545138
I just never got used to that rocking dpad. I have a Neo CD, and ended up buying the arcade sticks. Most people love that dpad, but I just couldn't get used to it *shrugs*

>>1545138
PDP used it in their Versus Pad, along with micro switches for all of the buttons... but everyone says the controller doesn't hold up. I had the chance to pick up a used one for 10bux the other year and passed because of all the negative feedback, so I don't know how true it is.

>>1542427
speaking of how much the build quality of the Madcatz Fightpad sucks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24PlKwIa1gk

>>1545131

How long have you had it anon? Has the stick shown any signs of wear? I had a PDP controller that had a microswitch clicky D-pad thing and it wore out on me within a year, and I'm real gentle with my stuff

>>1545210
The quality may be shit, but I'll be damned if the Fightpad S.D. models aren't the best controllers for fighting or retro games.

>>1545584
But they're not anon. You merely think they're good because you've never used a real Saturn controller. As I've said before, the dpad is too large, greasy & feels spongy and the buttons lack a springy response to them. The Fightpad a poor ripoff And the new smaller version is no better.

>>1545946
My friend has one somewhere laying around, I'm going to test it to prove your theory because I'm very curious.

Not the guy you replied to though. Biggest pet peeve now when looking at controllers is poor dpad built quality.

>>1544545
This
with this http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/SCP_Driver_Package
and you're golden
it's what I'm using right now, bluetooth etc. works perfectly

>>1545193
According to opinions from SRK's Tech Talk, the PCB supposedly craps out after a few months of regular use or so. Could be misremembering, though.

I have a 360 PDP Versus Pad which I snagged for... I think $15 or so, but I rarely used it save for the occasional Rock Band Blitz run. Been thinking about grabbing the Neo Geo Pad USB, but I'm not so sure about the prices.

>>1544219
What about the Play Sega controllers?
I doubt they are close to the real deal, but if they are at least good I'm considering one. I mean being half as good as a saturn dpad is still better than most dpads out there.

>>1544964
Marginally improves the dpad at the cost of making some of the rest of it less comfortable.

I bought this for about 3 clap coins on Amazon.

I use a DualShock2 and it's perfect for basically any and everything, even if I had to use x360ce or xpadder to make it work on some things that aren't emulators.

>>1543617
Only problem with this thing is the dpad, whatever plastic it's made out of is REALLY hard and makes my thumb hurt. Leaves a dent when emulating JJBA HFTF on my Wii.

>>1546368
n64 games that use the c-pad for anything but camera are pretty terrible with it, but yeah, DS2+adapter and DS3+xinput wraper (not the outdated addware motioninjoy) are fairly standard picks. avoid the 360 controller, quality control and d-pad are rubbish.

>>1546374
Not to mention 360 controllers are just overall too big and feel really awkward trying to hold in my opinion.

As for N64, I just map c buttons to the dpad and the dpad to my right analog, haven't run into problems yet.

Is there any D-Pad that comes even remotely close to that of the 3DS? (I assume the Wii-U controller uses the same?)
It might not be the best for fighting games, but for everything arcade i don't see anything better out there yet

>>1546383
>that glorious fucking clicking

>>1546383
I'm guessing the neo geo snk controller would come pretty close to that.

>>1546106
I pulled mine back out to refresh my mind about whta I hated about it and the one thing that really stuck out is the rocker design of the dpad. You know how so many claimed the xbox dpad fault lied in how tall it stood from the board?

That's exactly how my hand felt using that piece of shit. The the pivoting point is really low, causing the dpad to suffer from excessive travel. This is why the biggest complaint some people have is that they cannot pull of a successful 720 for Zangief's special.

The dpad did not look as big as my thumb remembered, but that is likely due to the pivoting angle I had just mentioned. It really does suffer from excessive travel. Travel one would not notice for doing simple motions like the dragon punch or fireball, but would for more advanced motions like Zangief's special. And the dpad felt just has greasy/slick as I had remembered it.

BTW I've actually got two of these pads. One of which has the contact pad completely worn out. I was thinknig about what I could do to fix it and tried a PS1 controller contact pad. But it was no good. The contact pad does not stick out long enough to hold the dpad in place properly. The fit itself seemed to somewhat work though. So if I had a bunch of sticky dots I could probably make it work. I guess. Though the motion might be limited afterward, as it appears even the contacts rest higher above the surface. Just a little thought for anyone with one of these pieces of shit looking to get a little more life out of it.

>>1545946
On the contrary, I own two Saturn controllers and one Genesis 6-button pad. The only thing they have over a Mad Catz Fightpad is the three concave buttons, D-Pad and build quality. Fightpads feel comfortable and have 6 consistent button shapes.

Also, SEGA 6-button pads suck for fighters you elitist prick and please stop assuming shit.

>>1546238
>What about the Play Sega controllers?
I've never owned one of the Play SEGA controllers, but from what I've read they range from good to shit. I guess the earlier ones were rebranded SLS controllers, but at some point the ones sold began to be rebranded Retrolink/gTron controllers. And the Retrolink/gTron Sontroller I know from personal experience is in fact a huge piece of shit. My guess in the Chinese manufacturer printing out Retrolink/gTron controllers realized if they silkscreen SEGA on the front they can pass off their knockoffs as legitimate goods to less savvy individuals. And that SEGA would not waste their legal finances seeking restitution for unauthorized usage of their logo.

>>1547495
>The only thing they have over a Mad Catz Fightpad is the three concave buttons, D-Pad and build quality.
You just explained why the Madcatz Fightpad is an inferior product, you ass.

>Fightpads feel comfortable and have 6 consistent button shapes.
I've got large hands and both pads fit just fine in my hands, along with all 6 face buttons on both controllers aligning up with my thumb.

> SEGA 6-button pads suck for fighters
Tell that to everyone that played Capcom anything on a Saturn.

>you elitist prick
It's not elitist to actually know what you're talking about. But I AM a prick. You mad?

>>1545946
>and the buttons lack a springy response to them
It's for designed for fighting games. If there's a fighting buff out there, please correct me if I'm wrong, but the less time between input contact the better. Having the buttons raised any higher and you will have to put more effort into pressing. They fixed that from the first generation of Fightpads with the S.D. model.

>>1547524
I'm not talking about button travel.

>>1547523
>Tell that to everyone that played Capcom anything on a Saturn.
what is a virtua stick
what is an ascii stick

I didn't own a Saturn at the time, but I'm sure people just dealt with the Saturn pad because they didn't know any better.

>>1547523
>It's not elitist to actually know what you're talking about.
It is elitist to continue praising a shit controller when there's better products that outdo it like the Fight Commander Pro for the PS3. Don't get me wrong, I love 6-button pads and use them where applicable.

>>1547526
>I'm not talking about button travel.
Have you ever used the Fightpad S.D.? The buttons were definitely improved and I have them side by side as I type so I'm sure that I am not making shit up.

>>1544202
that looks useful for Steel Battalion

>>1546386
nothing compared to the King of the D-pads,the DSphat's D-pad
in general,DSphat buttons are perfect

>>1547550
>sticks
>pads
vs
>apples
>oranges
Not winning an argument with that one. Arcade purists are always going to take sticks over pads.

>strawmanning in an unrelated product
>as a case in point
Way to field that one in kid. Too bad no one is bashing the FCP3.

>Have you ever used the Fightpad S.D.?
And I already made the mistake of buying two Fightpads, why would I make the mistake of buying a third one, just because it's 15% smaller? It's still shit with an inferior dpad deign and contact pads that wear out prematurely.

The amount of asspain you suffer from just because I'm calling a spade a spade is unfathomable. Seriously, it's sad. The Madcatz is trash and I would gladly recommend a $100 FCP3 over it or an old ragged Saturn controller over it anyday of the week.

>>1542417
Keyboard. You definitely should use that, unless your games are analog. It's the best for retro games.

360 pad has excellent Windows support, but it has a shitty dpad.

>>1545014
>multiplexing your thumb over 6 buttons

Objectively retarded.

>>1548347

How is the Buffalo SNES controller?

>>1548347
No wonder you hate the Saturn pad, you're too retarded to know how to hold it properly. You have to form your hand in a claw shape so your index pushes the top row, your thumb hits the bottom row, and your middle finger does the R button.

>>1548389

I'm a newb and barely used anything else, but I have it and I gave no complaints when I emulate nes / snes, works like a charm with RetroArch on Windows for me.

>>1548573

*have

>>1545193
>>1546192
i've had a pdp versus pad for about 3 years now and haven't had any issues with it. i use it on a regular basis for mame and xbox360 fighters. the clicky, neogeo pocket style thumbpad fucking rules.

>>1544202

What the hell is that thing? It can't be real.

>>1548373
>buttpain

>>1548542
>You have to form your hand in a claw shape so your index pushes the top row, your thumb hits the bottom row, and your middle finger does the R button.

That was the most retarded thing I've ever read on this board, holy shit my sides. No wonder stupid designs like that went away in favor of two shoulder buttons.

>>1548869
It's a controller trying hard to be a keyboard.

Not sure how effective it is, to be honest. It does seem to make more effective use of the three fingers you use to hold and support the controller. Would love to try it out or see a review by someone who uses it constantly.

Ok, I just set up a Genesis/USB adapter and plugged in my official Genesis controller. Played some D&D on Steam using it instead of the 360 controller and the difference is extremely noticeable. Simple movement is no longer a chore and its easier to pull off moves. The charge attack (hadoken combo) still doesn't trigger all the time though, leading me to believe that the game has somewhat stiff controls by default.

On Emulators the difference is noticeable too, but that's a given.

>>1542427
I have a Logitech, but a Dual Action. It looks pretty much the same, but not with ugly Xbone buttons.

I like it very much. It's very nice because it has an 8 block pad for directions. Its also a bit bigger than the Psx controller, which is very nice, imo. Also very easy to use for most emulators. I didnt even need an installation Cd... It's great

>>1549419
>No wonder stupid designs like that went away
>went away

Right...

>>1549419
>That was the most retarded thing I've ever read on this board

You should read some of your own posts sometime.

>>1549448
That's unfortunate.

>>1549454
For you

>>1549456

>>1549459
... Huh? That's, uh, weird.

Why is it asymmetrical? What does the lock slider do? How many shoulder buttons does it have? I believe the above Hori controller still had two shoulder buttons on each side in spite of the retarded 6-button configuration.

>>1549471
Why do you care? You already hate it.

>>1549459

>>1549475
I care because I got curious. Let's keep the discussion going.

>>1549482
Not enough shoulder buttons for you to be caring.

>>1549471
I'm pretty sure that's a fighter pad for people who want the dpad but all 6 face buttons that a stick provides. The bigger buttons should have clued you in to the fact that it's emulating stick layouts.

>>1549476
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0VTVhljOUXt

>>1549485
Not quite true, actually.

>>1549512
>fighter pad

Seems like it.

Just because arcade sticks have 6 buttons doesn't mean it's a good idea for your gamepad to have 6 face buttons. First of all, arcade sticks let you use pretty much all your fingers of your right hand to press those buttons. With the gamepad, you have to use just your thumb or maybe the index finger like described above. It's not just uncomfortable, it's slower and very hard if not impossible to hit multiple buttons at once. Hitting multiple buttons at once is the reason why shoulder buttons were invented in the first place. Multiplexing fingers among 4 buttons was bad enough, it's infinitely worse with 6.

Might be usable for fighting games alone, where you're mostly pressing 1 button at a time in a sequence. It's still worse than arcade sticks, hitboxes and keyboards.

>>1549530
>Just because arcade sticks have 6 buttons doesn't mean it's a good idea for your gamepad to have 6 face buttons.

It's for people who want to play fighting games and have to hit 3 or more buttons at a time. Have you ever played SF? It happens frequently.

>in b4 but I like it just fine on the shoulders

Preference, nigga, preference. People who want that pad don't care what you think.

>>1549530
I use my fingertips on the face buttons, not unlike with an arcade stick. I use my left thumb for the dpad. I'm not sure why this is seemingly impossible for you.

>>1549530
Finally, another anon gets it.

>>1549541
The extra shoulder button can do 3P and 3K just fine.

>preference

It's always subjective with you people, huh? If that's all you got, you might as well shut up and stop arguing. You've already lost, just like you lost the keyboard argument.

Are you saying you think pressing the three buttons is better than pressing the button which does it automatically? So, you like playing at an disadvantage? Exposing yourself to the risk of fucking the input up instead of pressing the guaranteed-super button?

>>1549549
Wait, so you hold your controller with just one hand? You press the buttons with your right hand, which hovers above the face buttons cluster? And your controller wavers and rolls around unstably because you're only using one hand for support and applying force on the other side, which is unsupported?

What.

>>1549810
When you use arcade sticks, is your controller hovering, since you aren't using your hands to hold it up.

PROTIP: use your lap to rest the controller.

>>1549817
>PROTIP: use your lap to rest the controller.

PROTIP: use an actual arcade stick/hitbox/keyboard.

>>1549810
>It's always subjective with you people, huh? If that's all you got, you might as well shut up and stop arguing. You've already lost, just like you lost the keyboard argument.

Why can't you deal with the fact that different people like different things? At least we're not presenting opinions as facts.

>Exposing yourself to the risk of fucking the input up instead of pressing the guaranteed-super button?

No. Some of us like using the actual inputs and not macros, which is what 3P and 3K are. If you want to use them, fine. Just don't shit on people who play differently than you.

The ironic part is the 3P/K buttons are there for convenience due to shortcomings of controllers that don't have 6-button faces.

>>1549827
What for? What if I want to use the table for supporting the 6-button pad. You do the same for your keyboard and arcade sticks, right?

>>1549827
>your personal preference is wrong

Get a load of this guy.

I wish there were more controllers with more than four shoulder buttons.

>>1545093
>>1545105
Wow what the fuck? A janitor actually deleted that post? I think it's time to have a chat with moot about /vr/'s heavy-handed moderation already. This is getting way out of hand.

>>1549860
>buttpain

>>1549835
Yeah. I use my keyboard to play. It's laying on my desk right now. The keyboard was made to be laid down on a surface. It takes full advantage of that fact: it allows you to use all your fingers, instead of having you use them to support the keyboard itself.

Controllers were made to be hand-held. Setting one on the table is unconventional at best, stupid if the controller has shoulder buttons, and borderline retarded if your controller is fucked up asymmetrical like the one posted above.

It's like you're using a fighter jet as a ground vehicle, taxiing all over the city. Nothing short of plain retarded.

Use the right tool for the job.

>>1549840
>present objective argument as to why the usability of a 6-button controller is shit
>muh preferences, your argument is invalid, just use it like an arcade stick
>why not use an actual arcade stick
>muh preferences get a load of this guy xD

>>1549860
Yeah. It's not the first time I've seen people with strong opinions about whatever have their posts wiped. It's like the janitor can't handle discussion.

>>1549869
How did you post my image again?

>>1549874
see>>1549840

I'm still not sure if this is elaborate trolling, or sheer stupidity, Do you do this to everyone who does things differently than you?

You have a serious problem.

>>1549874
I wouldn't even say my opinion is that "strong", I've just felt the need to defend myself against really stubborn jerks who attack me whenever I bring it up. Ironically they've helped establish greater conviction in my belief. I'm glad at least you understand how dumb tons of face buttons are.

>>1549874
>with strong opinions

You called it "objectively", so I guess you really *don't understand the difference between fact and opinion. There's the difference between stating your "strong opinions", and shitting on other people's opinion and saying they're objectively wrong.

That's where you fucked up.

>>1549874
movie magic

>>1549893
>complaining about people attacking your opinion
>attacking their opinion

Seems this kitchen is a bit too hot for ya, son.

>>1549910
No that's just it; they don't attempt to refute my arguments. They attack me. And whip up straw men. Kind of like what you just did, you sneaky snake.

>>1549913
Oh, so you didn't say they were "objectively wrong" with their opinions, and that their preferences weren't "retarded" an telling them to shut up?

I have no problem with your preference, but you seem to have a big one with mine, so stop with the ""WAAAHHHHHH, they're attacking me" when you fired the first round. You reap what you sow.

So, calm down, accept that other people aren't exactly like you, and enjoy your own preferences without stepping on other people's toes, ok?

>>1549886
Sounds like you're the one who can't handle someone disagree with you. Much less with actual reasonable arguments.

>uses backwards-ass controller
>hey, why would you use this? don't you think it's stupid because X, Y, Z ?
>stfu lol, I prefer to use the shitty controller

How do I even argue with that? You didn't even debate any of the issues raised.

>>1549893
Well, anyone who isn't a stubborn kid can understand our reasoning. I actually take the time to spell everything out and it gets ignored all the time; I only receive shitposting back for my efforts. Well, it's one of the famed rules of the internet.

When even innocent bystanders start telling you the guy you're arguing with is retarded, you know you've won.

>>1549902
What did I say in that post that wasn't a fact? 6 button controllers are just plain inferior to an arcade stick. You're stupid if you think otherwise. Sure, you can "prefer" one over the other, but you're stupid if you can't concede that one is worse than the other.

I didn't lie in that post, by the way. I visited a Mega Man X thread some days ago and saw someone with the opinion that X6 was better than X5. He and some other guys argued for a while, but the X6 guy had some of his posts deleted. Why?

That's what I was referring to when I said "strong opinions". What I harbor isn't a "strong opinion" that 6 button controllers are retarded, it's an absolute conviction. I'm sure of it, just like I'm sure keyboards are better.

>>1549920
You're not responding to the correct person.

When I said:

>>multiplexing your thumb over 6 buttons
>Objectively retarded.

I meant exactly that. It's a retarded idea. It's inefficient, and any properly-designed controller will be more flexible.

If you still want to insist on using it based on something feeble like "preference", sure. Go for it. I never intended to argue against opinions. That's why I used the word "objectively".

>>1549928
This is pure bait

>backwards logic
>throwing out insults left and right
>still bitching about other people's preferences
>not understanding fact vs. opinion

The post was deleted because of TROLLING

>>1549920
Nope, you're arguing with someone else.

>>1549934
But I wasn't trolling. The mod or janitor or perhaps the shitstains that reported it (I seriously hope this doesn't happen at least) think that anyone with a different opinion is trolling. This is not conducive to good video game discussion. This is forum hugbox mentality and it doesn't belong on 4chan. I don't come to /vr/ to simply agree with people on everything, that doesn't lead to anything interesting to talk about.

This thread has officially been ruined. Any further replies are pretty much useless when you're arguing with people who cannot tolerate the way other people play games and call their methods "retarded" and "stupid", and say it's a fact when it isn't.

Enjoy hating everything in the world that isn't exactly like you.

>>1549945
The blame rests just as much or more on the people who can't handle their favorite controller having any flaws and needs to spend a hundred posts full of reaction images and memes and character attacks when they hear something they don't like.

>>1549943
Yeah...you just come in to shit-throwing, because that makes it "interesting".

>This is forum hugbox mentality and it doesn't belong on 4chan.

So, you're literally saying order and agreement don't belong on this site? Well, that's a literal admission that you're here to start crap. Thanks for that.

any good american snes knockoff controllers?

>>1549948
Shitting and yelling at others for shitting.

You are bizarre.

>>1549962
as in not having to import

>>1549957
You mean US as in manufactured, or just as in you don't have to import?

>>1549953
>you just come in to shit-throwing
No, I don't. And I'm tired of defending myself over this bullshit. This thread should really speak for itself assuming someone doesn't go and delete even more posts.

>So, you're literally saying order and agreement don't belong on this site? Well, that's a literal admission that you're here to start crap.
No.

>>1549965
I'd check amazon. I'm not really sure of the quality between brands, though.

>>1549934
>backwards logic

The same logic you people always fail to disprove or even offer any kind of valid rebuttal.

You people are the scrubs of argument.

>throwing out insults left and right

Well, at first I only called the idea of 6 button configuration retarded, but then someone called me a retard for "not knowing how to hold a controller properly". Is it any wonder it escalated?

Also, you're on 4chan. Deal with it, nerd.

>still bitching about other people's preferences

I'm not bitching, I'm telling you why it's stupid.

>not understanding fact vs. opinion

I understand it perfectly well. The only opinion I ever presented in this thread is: you are stupid.

>The post was deleted because of TROLLING

None of my posts in this thread were deleted. I'm not trolling, I genuinely believe everything I'm arguing for. That's quite the pathetic defense you're mounting.

>>1549943
Agreed. This sounds like some IRC admin who bans people who disagree with the regulars.

>>1549945
>when it isn't

There is no time "when it isn't". It's objectively stupid.

The absolute best post in this thread was when the guy told me to use the controller like I would an arcade stick. I laughed a lot.

>>1549953
>order and agreement

Hey, what a great idea.

So, why aren't you permabanned yet? You're obviously disagreeing with us with all your might, and you're factually wrong since all you have under your feet is your hot opinions and preferences. If anyone's disturbing the order, it's you.

Well, we *were* starting to get back on track...

Anyhoo...can anyone help out the guy looking for good domestically available SNES knockoff controllers

>>1549963
>assuming someone doesn't go and delete even more posts

Don't worry, there is an archive. 4chan extensions even fetch the deleted post from them automatically.

>>1549980
Aha, there it is. I guess somehow I got the impression one time that foolz only records the posts left when a thread dies.

Anyway, pic related... Again. A controller that is truly designed for finger-on-face-button use.

>>1549993
Looks like it's not hand-held, so yeah. Seems like a reasonable controller.

>>1549995
It actually is hand-held. I still wonder if it might not be that great though due to rocking on your other hand with no support on the other side when mashing the buttons.

>>1550002
How do you hold it? I'm at a loss.

>rocking on your other hand with no support on the other side when mashing the buttons.

Yeah, that ought to make it awkward. I said as much in >>1549810.

this is what i use for racing games with my ps1 to usb converter, its excellent and very unique as you can see, its based off of r/c car controllers

>>1550028
forgot image

>>1550023
I guess you hold it in your left hand like a gun. So your claim about the rocking due to no counter force might not be far off. I think it has more of a grip on the back for more stable one-handed holding support at least though. You can see the grip better here.

>>1550028
>>1550031
You're gonna need to do some 'splaining on how to hold that thing because it's confusing the hell out of me.

>>1550031
I thought that was a hair dryer.

>>1550031
Hmm. It is certainly unique. Looks like a throttle.

Is that black part to the right a wheel? Is it analog? How do you operate it? Can you take a picture of the controller with your hands on it?

>>1550037
I see the grip. If you hold it like a gun, how do you manipulate the dpad? Why is the face button cluster tilted in relation to the dpad?

I get more and more confused the more I look at it.

>>1550040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E_gSRldktY

>>1550047
>>1550048

I use a Tron xbox 360 controller for most n64 emulation and it works wonderfully. I've used it on sidescrollers too, and the D-Pad is spot on.

not to mention, the controller just looks fuckin' cool

>>1550061
DPad looks different. If it's actually worth shit, that might be one of the best controllers around.

>>1550031
>>1550048
That D-pad looks like shit. Everything else seems pretty neat though.

Japanese players prefer the Saturn design when it comes to controllers (they also like sticks and keyboard). Japanese players are better than the West. Hence, the Saturn design for pads is better than some Sony fanboy pushing his opinion about Dualshock being the best on /vr/.

this is what i use for fighting games and genesis/saturn emulation, it has turbo functon and slow function (which means it just pauses and unpauses the game really quickly) and all thebuttons are programmable, besides the program button of course, all the buttons can also be programmed with multiple button presses (maximum 87 button presses i believe), so you could do a really complex fighting move with one button press, its kind of a cheaters tool, but it gets the job done

dpad is alright, but otherwise its a very sleek, efective and comfortable controller, AND ITS SEE-THROUGH, also has the playstation name and logo on it so you know its good

>>1550048
>madcatz

controller discarded

>>1550086
>Japanese players are better than the West.

>west champion at fighters
>west champion at FPS
>Koreans(the most hated race from Japan) champion at RTS

Nips shortdicks are only good for self-made videos on niconico.

>>1550086
I don't even know where to begin.

>>1550086
I never saw any Sony fanboy in this thread. Are we on /v/? Go back to /v/.

>>1550094
Not /vr/, but they make some good arcade sticks.

>>1550153
you've never seen a psx babby thread before?

>>1550174
Can't recall any such thing and oh my GOD what the FUCK is that SHIT

Any recomendations for a controller with 6 face buttons?
Everything is hard to find around here and Ebay/Amazon.ca are terrible

>downloading investigations

The only PW I haven't yet played.

>tfw it ends

What am I gonna do??

>>1550214
>>1550087
>>1549993
>>1549459
>>1549448
>>1545193
>>1544206
>>1544204
>>1543694
>>1543663
>>1543596
>>1542427
>>1542417
choose your pick

OP here, I guess there's really no point in calling out that I've come back to the thread but I'll do it anyway.

I snatched me a play sega controller off ebay, going to use that and my logitech dual action.

I do appreciate the replies but I'm a little disappointed in all the bickering that came out in this thread, I'm not used to seeing that in /vr/ too much and I kinda expected better from this board.

I am very thankful for all the good posts though, and saved quite a few pics that I will reference later.. so thank you.

>>1548869
>>1544202
I once saw an advertisement/demonstration of this forever ago. He was playing doom 3 and getting stuck on every corner and was talking about how good the controller was. I was surreal shit.

>>1550248
>bickering

You mean the failed attempts at discussion.

>>1550248
I was considering a play sega controller, but apparently knock offs are pretty common so I'm hesitating

>>1550251
Yeah, essentially. It's whatever though.

I wouldn't go anywhere else to talk about games, especially older games. I like that so many people here know their shit.

>>1550254
I'm hoping that won't be the case here, but the person I purchased from had great feedback so let's hope for the best.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251455544497?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

>>1550257

why not use a keyboard? you're emulating on your PC, right?

trust me, it's worth it. i only understood why after i got used to it and saw what the power of button remapping really meant.

>>1550257
Why didn't you just buy an adapter and use the official sega pads? Wouldn't that be cheaper and better overall?

>>1543646
>did you really miss that sarcasm?
>anon, I...

>>1544937
And you're not effectively doing the same?

It will be okay, anon. I love you. You are the best.

>>1544993
I agree with you anon. A keyboard is A LOT more adaptable for 2D emulation.

HOWEVER, I personally prefer a controller. It's not even about authenticity. I couldn't care less. Playing a retro title with a controller is just more cozy for me :3

>>1552110
>And you're not effectively doing the same?

Saying his preferences are what everyone should use? He's not, no.

>>1552120
>i feel like you are shitting up the thread, and ruining this board and everyone else should feel the way I feel, too

you're right, anon. I'm sorry.

>>1551998
The play sega pads are official sega pads.

>>1552206
Nope. If those were legit they'd have SEGA molded into the USB connector molding. Those are crappy knockoffs with Play SEGA silk screened on them.

>>1552120
Nobody said they're what everyone should use. We were arguing whether the concept of 6 button controllers were valid from a design standpoint.

Everyone who was against 6 button pads presented solid, convincing arguments as to why they suck. All really you did was say is "muh preference". It shows a lack of reading comprehension.

Well, if you people enjoy using an inferior controller, by all means. As long as you accept the facts, then we aren't in disagreement. Just don't try to discredit anything with your "preference"; it will simply cause you even more butthurt.

>>1553106
four button fag please get cancer and a permanent ip ban

>>1553680
>he disagrees with me
>permaban him

>>1553106
>less face buttons
>inferior
Get a load of this backwards fag.

>>1553106
>As long as you accept the facts

Here's that "opinion is fact" shit again.

>Just don't try to discredit anything with your "preference"

Tell that to the people who call those with a preference for 6 button pads "retarded".

>>1554713
>only one thumb
>more face buttons
>superior

Maybe if you tell me to use the controller like I would use an arcade stick, you'll finally convince a gullible bystander!

>>1554721
>Here's that "opinion is fact" shit again.

It pretty much is fact. We argued against it using real usability concerns and all we got back was utterly absurd suggestions and "preference".

Until you can produce a convincing rebuttal, you're wrong. It's OK if you prefer to be wrong; nobody really cares. As long as you accept that you're wrong.

>Tell that to the people who call those with a preference for 6 button pads "retarded".

That was a response to you people trying to invalidate our posts by throwing "but we prefer 6 buttons!" tantrums.

It is a valid response, since anyone who thinks subjective arguments somehow trump objective ones is obviously unfit for argumentation and no truth can possibly arise out of the discussion.

>>1554721
Stop responding to him. Anyone who has confused his opinion with fact doesn't need attention.

>>1554767
>It pretty much is fact

It's not. You prefer one configuration, and other people prefer something different. Why can't you just leave it at that without claiming "superiority"?

>>1554767
>It is a valid response, since anyone who thinks subjective arguments somehow trump objective ones is obviously unfit for argumentation

Opinion does not trump fact, especially when you're confusing the two. Ironically enough, by you presenting "facts", your argument should be invalidated, by your own claim.

You really need to learn the differences.

>>1554771
>loses argument
>well that's just like your opinion man
>mfw

>>1554772
I don't "prefer" 4 face button controllers. I know for a fact they are better.

Actually, I don't "prefer" controllers. In fact, I don't use controllers. I use my keyboard 99% of the time. I also know for a fact that keyboards are superior to gamepads. I only use gamepads when the game makes use of analog input.

>>1554776
It is a fact that multiplexing your thumb over 6 buttons is worse than doing the same over 4 buttons and using one of your other fingers to operate two shoulder buttons.

>you can press more buttons at once because you can use more fingers
>it is easier to operate since the area your thumb has to cover is smaller

This is fact. It is not opinion. It cannot get any clearer and simpler than that.

Assuming that the designs are mutually exclusive, anyway. If you have multiple shoulder buttons as well as 6 face buttons, then the point is moot, but that isn't what the original discussion was about.

But don't be mad. They're all inferior to keyboards and arcade sticks anyway.

>autism

>>1554804
>It is a fact that multiplexing your thumb over 6 buttons

Well, we've proven that you've ignore players who use their fingertips on 6 button faces.

>I don't "prefer" 4 face button controllers. I know for a fact they are better.

I hope you take the time to sit back and realize how contradictory those two comments are.

It's like saying you don't like something, but it's the best.

>>1554804
I'm beginning to thing you aren't a troll, and really *are* just as idiotic as your posts suggests.

The confusion between fact and opinion. The idea that your way trumps everyone else's, for no real reason. The absolute inability to simply disagree without condescension.

You need to seek professional help.

>2014
>not just contolling games with your mind

Plebs stuck in the past with plastic crap.

>>1554804
>you can press more buttons at once because you can use more fingers
The only time I think I'd struggle to press enough buttons at the same time is if I had to mash all six at once. But it's never come up in any game I've ever played.

>it is easier to operate since the area your thumb has to cover is smaller

>It's easy enough for anyone who's not a spastic.

>>1555635
>the only time I think I'd struggle to press enough buttons at the same time is if I had to mash all six at once

Enlighten us as to how your thumb can somehow press more than 2-3 of the face buttons at the same time. I'm having trouble imagining it.

>>1555621
Your arguments are reasonable and justify your opinion well, but they are based on your own subjective preferences. They do not make your arguments objective fact.

Your inability to distinguish your own opinions from fact or deal with other people having their own opinions is what makes you look like an autistic retard.

>>1555648
>your arguments are reasonable

Yes, they are.

>and justify your opinion well

It is not an opinion.

>they are based on your own subjective preferences

Nope.

I know for a *fact* that 6 buttons are less usable. It's really no wonder that you people are usually quick to add that the Saturn pad is great for fighters; games where most of the time buttons are being pressed in a sequence as opposed to simultaneously.

A bunch of self-contradictory design flaws. That's what you get, trying to put arcade controls in a hand-held. And that is that.

>people having their own opinions

Well, sure.

I also get to draw conclusions ("have opinions", in your language) regarding your opinions: they're complete and utter garbage. I also get to draw conclusions about your intelligence.

Has DS4 really not been suggested? It's the GOATest controller I've ever used.

>>1555621
Just wanna say you're my hero reasonable-about-old-controller-evaluation guy.

>>1555621
>I see a total and utter lack of reading comprehension

And hopefully you've learned your lesson from your mistake. Doubt it, though.

>Apparently, the janitor gets mad if I tell you people what I think of you all straight up

Yes, trolling is against the board rules. Here's that "lack of reading comprehension" you've so grandiosely displayed, since you obviously cannot read the TOS.

For someone who claims to be an expert at discussion, you really can't seem to get through one without throwing insults and claiming you're superior "just because"

>>1556017
Just because you can't handle reading it doesn't mean he's trolling.

>>1555690
Can you actual name a game which requires 6 buttons to be pressed simultaneously? None leap to mind.

I will accept that it's objectively harder to press all of the controllers buttons simultaneously when you have 6 face buttons. But the idea that a controller should be rated by how many face buttons you can press at once is simply your subjective opinion.

This distinction between subjectivity and objectivity seems to be something you really struggle with.

>>1556028
Not that anon but Guilty Gear goes up to five. And has many other combinations of twos and threes. Controlling someone like Eddie with just your thumb is a nightmare.

>>1556025
Now you're just babbling.

>>1556049
I only remember having to press 4 simultaneously in GG.

>>1556080
Derp, you're right. The more important thing about Guilty Gear is when you play it at a sufficient level the amount of variable simultaneous button pressing and holding creates a major control barrier if you're trying to make your thumb do it all.

>>1556094
I just play piano style, even with a 4 button pad. L button for dust.

>>1554665
>autism
you've got it kid

>>1550031
Holy shit, I swear I thought this was a handheld power-sander.

>>1543560
I have this and can confirm it works well

>>1556017
What a broken record you are.

I don't recall misinterpreting any of your arguments. At worst, I dismissed some as absurd and then debated them once they came up again.

This isn't trolling, despite what the janitor might believe. You people just are *that* wrong.

>>1556028
How else would you rate your controller? Can you think of better objective criteria? And make no mistake, it is objective.

Also, it's not just how many buttons you can press at once. It's more general than that: how many fingers you can use at once.

Take an arcade stick or keyboard, for example. The former lets you use about four fingers at once, the latter lets you use all five. You can hover all fingers above the keys/buttons you want to press. This not only lets you press more buttons at once, it also makes pressing any of them individually faster and easier since your fingers are dedicated to specific buttons. You barely have to move them around like you would move your thumb. This is great for combos, sequences and whatever.

There's a reason professional fighter cockpit designers put as many buttons as possible on the throttle and flight stick, anon. It's because it's much more efficient to have everything on command so that you don't have to move your hands and fingers in order to access controls. It's called HOTAS.

6 button controllers are objectively worse when compared to either 6 button arcade sticks or 4 button controllers. They don't have arcade stick's advantages and might not even have 4 button controller's advantages if the number of input is limited like the Saturn Pad. They attempted to combine the two and the end result was garbage. The fact it looks like an arcade stick doesn't make it one.

If I were spouting bullshit about "comfort" and whatnot, then I'd be talking about subjective matters.

>>1556096
How does one play "piano style" with a controller? Pianos don't require you to hold them with your hand.

Sounds like someone is compensating for a design flaw.

>>1556863
>What a broken record you are.

Sam with the "opinion is fact" rhetoric.

Been using the same 1st-party gamepads for over a decade with a usb adapter. There will likely never be a more comfy setup than the one I already have.

So tell me: why the fuck do I keep clicking on these pointless threads, where the same autistic degenerates argue the same shit over and over? (inb4 I'm an autistic degenerate. too).

>>1556863
>HOTAS
This is great, I wish more controller designers knew about this principle.

>>1556863
Explain why all consoles don't come with keyboards if they're so "superior. Why do gamepads exist?

>>1557054
Because keyboards are not hand-held. They are unfit for a living room environment, which is where consoles live. Hitboxes and arcade sticks are better choices in that regard.

>>1557061
Neither are arcade sticks, but they're made for consoles. Keyboards come with PCs, but they aren't handheld, either.

Jesus, keyboards and sticks, though superior, will never replace pads simply because of the steep learning curve.

You can pick up a gamepad, and you intuitively learn to play even a challenging game in minutes. This is not so with other input devices.

You think that game companies haven't spent money researching this common-sense fact?

While I lurves to play fighters/shmups on a stick, trying to relearn simple patterns for other genres just isn't worth the time investment. And while I love to play certain PC games with a keyboard or mouse and keyboard, that doesn't mean I want to play a fucking old-skool platformer that I grew up playing with a controller that way.

Grats fuckers. We're all right, and we're all wrong. Let's all get together next Sat. night and have this same thread again. Sweet.

>>1557063
Yeah, they are made for consoles. The arcade stick follows the console's input model. That's why they work.

Keyboards are likely incompatible with that. Even if the console can recognize the hardware, I doubt the games will be able to use it. Maybe there's a console version of joytokey out there? I honestly don't know.

Also, even though a surface with adequate height is best for stability, arcade sticks are usually weighted and feel a lot more stable on your lap than a keyboard would.

>>1557084
>The arcade stick follows the console's input model.

It follows the arcade model.

>arcade sticks are usually weighted and feel a lot more stable on your lap than a keyboard would

I had no problems playing Dreamcast Quake 3 Arena w/a DC keyboard sitting on my lap, with the mousepad/mouse on the floor next to me in the living room.

>>1557112
>arcade model

I'm not sure you understood what I meant? I was talking about software issues. Games need to either support the keyboard directly or map keyboard input to controller input exactly like emulators do. Even if they did the latter, it would be sub-optimal due to lack of analog inputs.

Unless the game was straight up designed with keyboard in mind, it's probably going to assume you're using a controller. Which is not unreasonable in a living room environment.

>I had no problems

I didn't say you'd have problems. I just said it wasn't ideal.

>>1556863
>And make no mistake, it is objective.
No, it's not. Different people value different qualities in a controller. Different people also play different types of games, different types of games may play better with different types of controllers. Hence why some people have several different controllers for different games.

Take for example how the Magadrive's six button controller worked for Street Fighter 2. A & X for low attacks, B & Y for mid level, C & Z for high. The top row of buttons for punching, the bottom row for kicking. (or something like that, it's been while since I played it) Now this is a more intuitive layout than the SNES version. though it comes with the disadvantage of having to move your thumb slightly more. Whether or not that is a worthwhile trade off is an entirely subjective matter.

Also HOTAS doesn't mean what you think it means. They put the buttons they think are needed for a specific task on the stick, not as many buttons as they can fit. Also a flight controller is designed for one specific task. It does not mean it is a good universal design for a wide range of tasks. I accept that using a Saturn controller to fly a fighter jet would be far from ideal, using a Playstation controller probably wouldn't be great either. Similarly, I wouldn't want to use flight stick to play Street Fighter.

Your argument is simply focusing on one very specific area that you value and arguing because it is superior in this area the controller is better overall.


I have to ask, are you actually autistic or something? I don't ask to make fun. It's just you seem like a reasonably intelligent person, yet you can't get past the very simple concept that your opinion is not objective fact and other people have different opinions. The idea that different people have their own values and preferences which differ from yours seems to be totally beyond your grasp.

>>1557164
>it comes with the disadvantage of having to move your thumb slightly more
It comes with the huge advantage of not having to move your thumb at all, because the lack of shoulder buttons means you can easily press all the buttons with you fingers.

>>1557164
>different people value different qualities in a controller

What other traits of the controller are being evaluated here? "Intuitiveness" ? "Being good for fighting games" ?

This kind of fuzzy logic doesn't convince anyone. You need to be able to articulate what about the controller makes them "good at fighting games" or "intuitive".

>Now this is a more intuitive layout than the SNES version

Now THIS is subjective.

>though it comes with the disadvantage of having to move your thumb slightly more

That's why it's worse.

>whether or not that is a worthwhile trade off is an entirely subjective matter

It's really not. You can learn how to use another controller, but you can't exactly correct design flaws.

I really hate 4 button controllers and shoulder buttons. Despite this, I got good at playing games on my DS and even fighting games on Dual Shock. It's nowhere as comfy as my keyboard, but I learned to deal with it.

>your argument is simply focusing on one very specific area that you value and arguing because it is superior in this area the controller is better overall

Controllers have properties, such as how many buttons and how they are allocated on the controller's surface. The last property in particular is very related to how the controller is designed to be held and manipulated; coalescing these two bits of information, you can analyze how much flexibility the controller gives you.

What other areas should be evaluated, if not the ability of the controller to let you enter input effectively?

>>1557207
Do you set your gamepad on the table too? Or do you hold it with only one hand and deal with the rolling and general instability?

>>1557164
> Now this is a more intuitive layout than the SNES version.
Visually, perhaps. But he is right: -objectively-, a controller with shoulder buttons over face buttons -will- allow you to do more with less effort, some of which are outright impossible relying on your sole thumb. It's all giving something for your other fingers to do as well as your thumbs. I would like to focus on this point because it seems like it's constantly being ignored in this thread. You'll all agree to at least this... Right?

>>1557274
>I would like to focus on this point because it seems like it's constantly being ignored in this thread

They know that. They've actually conceded that point, proving us right. That's why they keep focusing on other lines of argument.

The only issue at this point is the endless insistence that it's somehow subjective.

>>1557290
I'm just not understanding the problem with having a controller that has both shoulder buttons and a 6 button face to accommodate both preferences.

What is the problem with having a controller that everyone likes?

>>1557379

>>1554804
>assuming that the designs are mutually exclusive, anyway
>if you have multiple shoulder buttons as well as 6 face buttons, then the point is moot
>that isn't what the original discussion was about

"Mutually exclusive" is true in the Saturn pad's case. Those two extra face buttons would have been better as shoulder buttons.

>>1542417
I just use the PS3 controller.
It's pretty alright.

>>1557398
please get cancer, you annoying autistic troll

>>1557439
>being THIS mad

I'm not going anywhere, by the way.

>>1557439
Please get banned already, you don't belong here. People have different views in life; learn to deal with them.

>>1557458

>so-talking.gif

Mcfucking kill yourself.

>>1557468
>muh preferences

Wasn't this what the idiots were arguing against?

>>1557468
>People have different views in life; learn to deal with them.
PROTIP: Take your own 'advice' and kindly fuck off already. You stupid little cunt.

>>1557489

>>1557458
>>being THIS mad
nice trollingo there pal. why not try something else, besides being an autistic faggot?

>>1557505
Try becoming even moderately competent at something. You might win an argument or two in your lifetime.

>>1557516
I didn't know this was about "winning arguments. You should know by now there's no "winning" and internet argument. And no, simply claiming victory doesn't make you the victor.

I prefer controllers that map perfectly to what I'm emulating and N64 was always a bit of a problem. From what I've read none of the third-party replacements are all that great either.

So I'm taking an original N64 controller, replacing the joystick with a gamecube-style one and adding a raphnet USB adapter onto the end of it.

If that doesn't work out, I might also look into picking up some third-party ones on the cheap and just modding the hell out of them.

>>1558063
I'm also picked up a Logitech F710 for playstation/general emulation. I'll give a run down on first impressions when it arrives.

>>1557516
There is no argument, you are an autistic faggot.

NEGCON ALL THE WAY

>>1542428
I have the controller now.

It's a bit too small for me, so I may have to adjust to the cramping. I'm not the biggest fan of cross dpads, but it seems to get the job done for the most part. My execution is off in fighting games a bit and I can't pull of Sabin's blitzes in FF6 as easily, but that's not a big issue I suppose (especially considering I play fighters on a stick).

The triggers aren't pressure sensitive like the regular 360 pads, so buyer beware if you intended to use it for games that have pressure sensitive controls.

I might end up buying a PS2 adapter to use that. The size of the controller is what's really getting me. My hands kinda cramp up. I'm going to give it a few more days, though.

>>1558751
>NEGCON
>Not JOGCON masterrace

>>1558761
Oh and I forgot to mention, I don't much care for the analogs. They feel kinda cheap compared to the 360/PS2/etc analogs. Not a huge issue because I bought this for the Dpad, but it should be known.