/vr/ - Retro Games

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NEWS
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-Switcheroom is on the verge of being uploaded to /idgames!!! Keep track of said project here! http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1230811

-The past Awesome Games Done Quick featured a playthrough of Plutonia (Go 2 It included) and also a Doom 2 race which was a result of a bid war between that game and Ultimate Doom. To rewatch the Doom speedruns, go follow this link http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQcxg3SUqlYBoSYrpNJVu58GsoCXMREa1

-Guess who received an update? OBLIGE! Now it's in version number 6, and oh man things surely have improved; go check it here! http://oblige.sourceforge.net/forum/index.php?topic=307.0

-ChocoDoom got updated in the 20th anniversary. Now you can play Heretic, Hexen and Strife too! Go grab each version of them here! http://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/Downloads

-HDoom has its third demo! happy now?

-Help us test Terminus new mod: Metroid Dreadnought (http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4561&pid=61847#pid61847))

ATTENTION! If you know about something news-worthy, reply to this post and mention it so everyone can see it

What's the best monster mod?

Do they even exist?

>>1524949
And now for something completely different.

>>1524970

I'd say Hard Doom is the best out o the lot, at least in my opinion

>>1524979
What

>>1524979
not caught on camera: the bullet hell that followed

>>1524995
also not caught on camera: the fucking explosion

gj me

I know it's taboo to say good things about Brutal Doom, but (aside from the glitchy enemy sprites) I feel like Brutal Doom and Hell to Pay are a most fitting combination.

>>1525014
I think people have more of a problem with the guy behind Brutal Doom rather than the mod itself.

>>1525014
I'm fine with BD, even if I think Mark's kind of a dick.
I like Sperglord's Edition way more though. Even if I can't fucking decide which plasma gun sprite I like the most.

>>1525014
It would be awesome if Mark still made new versions of BD.. Just as long as improved his attitude

>>1525040
i think he's still working on improving the blood effects

>>1525004
obligatory 2spooky webm

>>1525056
Can't you just post a gif of this? I don't want to go through all that trouble just to see a webm video clip.

>>1525056
i want to "steal" this flashlight to use it as an universal fist replacer so bad...

>>1525063
>all that trouble
you mean clicking it?

>>1525076
Or even just hovering your mouse over it.

>>1525056
that monster looks stupid as fuck

>>1525063
I don't know shit about making gifs. This is ez as fuck though.

>>1525098
doomguys_natural_response_to_the_hitler_equation.webm

What is this ".webm" thing? What kind of sorcery is this!?

>>1525014
At least SE is relatively drama-free, except for the Quaker540 guy. Don't know what his deal is.

>>1525024

Speaking of Sperglord Edition, why the hell can't I seem to get it working? I keep getting this error

Script error, "Brutal_Doom_v19_SE.pk3:explosives" line 419:
"USEBOUNCESTATE" is an unknown flag

Bad hex number: no
Script error, "Brutal_Doom_v19_SE.pk3:extra" line 326:
Unknown identifier 'JLOSF_NOAUTOAIM'

Execution could not continue.

2 errors while parsing DECORATE scripts

>>1525126
what source port are you using? what version?

>>1525126
Did you download the correct version for your source port? There's one for GZDoom and one for Zandronum I think.
Anyways, check you have the latest version of your source port too. Preferably (I think it's not required, but still) download a dev build.

>>1525126

Are you using GZDoom?

>>1525142
>>1525138
>>1525135

Ah, I had a shitty older version of GZDoom, sorry to waste posts, thanks anyway

>>1525120
Some sort of video format. You can fit a lot more into it than a gif, plus it's a boatload more smoother. Moot added support for it recently

>Play AD2:DoW
>Set it to Badass Mother Fucker difficulty because I finished vanilla AD2 at the same difficulty
>3 minutes in thugs slapped my shit sideways
>several times
>cheat my way through and get to the end fight
>no way in hell I can survive this clusterfuck.webm
What Steve was thinking while doing those levels?

Why Doomworld didn't make "20 years of Doom" for the 20th anniversary? They made 5th and 10th.

>>1525075
There's nothing stopping you from making one for your personal use, and then "release" it in a way that accidentally includes credits.

>>1525186
Also /g/ is having a shitfest over it not being able to have sound here.

>captcha: have agitstan
HAVE WHAT NOW

>>1525224
>agit-tan
>cute revenant animu girl

>>1525229
I think you know what I want.

>>1525237
someone should really touch up this design
it's hnnngg as fuck

>>1525229
Source?

>>1525229
Please share your ffmpeg command. I cant go above seconds without the quality and bitrate being utter shit.

How often are those shootable chests supposed to come up in DoomRL? I remember playing olige maps and they would pop up every level start but now in Scythe 2 they're mainly designated to secrets.

>>1525281
i think they sometimes spawn instead of backpacks

>>1525296

I think they spawn in place of blurspheres too. Don't quite remember, I rarley play DRLA without DRPG nowadays

>>1525205
>Doomworld

because they were the biggest lazy asses on earth as always.

Even there's some controversy regarding how they evaluate Cacoward candidates (people claim they just idclip all over 'em)

>>1524968
>I fucking hate you IMX

gee sure, let's hate on the poor faget that has been leaving from 9 to 3PM for the past two weeks and leaves a note in the IRC about new threads when it is required

anyone has theoriginal doom 2.5 chaingun sprites?

>>1525301
DRPG?

>>1525324

Doom RPG

Hey /doom/ are you ready to hear about the lamest joke known to man?

Okay here it goes; are you ready? Okay

one_Two

>>1525324
DoomRPG, I assume.
>>1525281
I think chests replace backpacks, and modpacks replace blurspheres. I'm not sure tho.

>>1525364
Chests replace blurspheres, the modpacks randomly replace large ammo boxes or backpacks (?)

>>1525352
b-but clans and competitive gameplay are important, guys!

Crates replace blurspheres and have a 1/3 chance of spawning in place of a backpack.

>>1525229

Teach me your ways. These would be far smoother than the gifs I've been making.

>>1525256

Not him but it's Speed of Doom MAP30

So Sunday Shenanigans is hosting Metroid: Dreadnought with Velocity CTF.

MITE B COOL

>>1525490
oh right I'm fucking retarded NAME AND IP
:: [BE] SUNDAY SHENANIGANS #10 :: Metroid Dreadnought w/ Velocity CTF

on 108.61.83.66:10666

Ok, now I'm done with No Rest for the Living too.
To recap, I beat:
>Ultimate Doom, keyboard only, 100% kills and secrets, no freelook, modded with perkristian sounds and animations
>Evilution, mouse + kb (no freelook), 100% kills and secrets, with perk's pack too
>Plutonia, freelook, didn't bother to find all the secrets or kill everything, modded with Beautiful Doom after MAP07
>Doom 2 and No Rest for the Living, same as Plutonia
>Chex Quest 3 with mouse after beating Ultimate Doom because I needed some fucking rest after beating 100%ing Thy Flesh Consumed

So, now what? I have both Scythes, both Hell Revealeds, both Deus Vult, Hellbound, Speed of Doom, and god knows what the fuck else. Or maybe I should beat the other iwads, I don't know.

So can somebody explain to me how I do this whole webm thing?

>>1525502
Forgot to say, all of this in Ultra Violence. Nightmare 2hard.

By the way, I recommend trying NRFTL. It's pretty nice, with optional side areas and shit, instead of the fuckhuge get-lost-forever maps sometimes Doom 2 threw at me. I hope D44m is similar.

>>1525508

>>>/g/41212767

>>1525510
>no audio
why moot ;_;

>>1525510
This is all gibberish to me, do they have an easier to follow guide?

>>1525525
>i cant into msdos

>>1525527
No, I can't into MSDos. I don't know what any of these things mean, what does ffmpeg do for me? Does it record videos?

>>1525515

>no audio
>inblign you can't post it on vocaroo anyways

Nightmare is 2much4me

what was I thinkgen?

>>1525502
Try hacx

>>1525531
You will have to learn MS-dos sooner than later, and this is as good of a moment as always. Knowing how to use it will save you problems, I tell you.
And ffmpeg is a media conversion program, you pretty much put ffmpeg.exe in a folder, go to that folder and use ffmpeg [Arguments] as a command.

>>1525539
So I just use a video recording program of my choice, record a clip, and then use ffmpeg to convert it to a webm file?

>>1525546
Yes, ffmpeg tends to be used because is pretty much the best tool available. You can use any other program, of course, but since ffmpeg is in all of the major systems and the command line is always the same moot decided to use it as an example.

>>1525537
Giving it a spin right now.
The kick is mad cool.

>>1525546
ffmpeg -i input_file.avi -c:v libvpx -threads 4 -vf scale=-1:480 -an output.webm
This is as condensed a command you can enter.
-i -> You're specifying the input file
-c:v libvpx -> The encoder you want used
-threads 4 -> How many CPU threads you want. Enter 8 if you have an i7
-vf scale=-1:480 -> Specifies the aspect ratio and resolution. Leave the -1 there, but change the resolution according to your needs.
-an -> Removes any sound from the video.
output.webm -> Names the output file and format.

>>1525561
Gotcha. Is there any kind of video recording software you would recommend?

>>1525532

And I can't believe -fast is kicking my ass too

>>1525561
I personally use MSI afterburner. It supports intel quicksync recording, as well as NVENC recording, the same thing Nvidia Shadowplay uses. Fidget around with the settings and see what works for you.

This is assuming you're on a desktop. If you're on a laptop, use Afterburner and MJPEG recording. you'll have to transcode the video afterwards with something like Handbrake. And then convert it to webm.

>>1525569
>>1525576
Quoted the wrong post.

>>1525572

I've made a deal with the devil

Rate my webm

>>1525584

Madre de Dios

it begins

>>1525594
Based webm.

>>1525597

Wooow, I couldn't take a screenshot out of it, but I went from 100 to 63 in less than a sec by three shotgunners

>>1525623

How is this happening?

>>1525634
why is your resolution so small
why are you not using gzdoom

>>1525638
>so small

Okay then :^)

>>1525657
why are you posting such an useless screenshot
why are you still using zdoom

>>1525657
Does anyone else get physically sick from using the original statusbar? For some reason the way it pushes your view up while simultaneously covering the bottom of the screen gives me a serious headache.

>>1525661
fuck you m8

>>1525229
>.webm sorcery
It looks like someone's playing an in-browser Doom in my /vr/. Imagine that. Playing some Doom while posting about Doom, in your Doom thread.

>>1525634

Okay, the fun stops here. I'll save this for later

>>1525678

>>1525680
>Be in a Microsoft store at a mall, killing time
>Feeling like a cheeky cunt
>Load up browser based shareware Doom on one of the PCs and maximize it
>Play for a bit, leave and come back after an hour or so
>There's a bunch of people huddled around it taking turns

>>1525676
Is there an alterenative in prboom/+?

>>1525765
Yeah, but it's filled with useless information making it hard to find the important bits (health and ammo) from a glance.

>>1525594
high frames, lowish quality.

>>1525229
HOW

>>1525782
I rike it

>>1525781
Can't you deactivate that? You can in Zdoom.

>>1525782

>>1525814
that's pretty fuckin' boss m8

>>1525814
What level is this?

>>1525848
www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?id=16299

001: Ask the wise guy

>>1525879
what are those
are those projectiles trying to lead the shot?

>>1525889
Yep.

>>1525305
>Even there's some controversy regarding how they evaluate Cacoward candidates (people claim they just idclip all over 'em)

I know for a fact that 4 of the nominees that were nominated over a month before the awards were never played before the awards by any of the judges.

Just like Samsara in 2012.

>>1524969
>HDoom has its third demo! happy now?
Link?

>>1525970
http://www.mediafire.com/download/g5n6r8frlmmvod8/m12-hdoom-techdemo3.rar

>>1525973
Thanks.

Does anyone else think that Doom will flop really hard? Like, the spess marine thing has been used to death, and I don't know how the Hell thing will play out. Will they make 'em actual demons? Aliens (overused as fuck) or beings from another dimension? Genetic experiment fuck ups, like in the movie that never happened?

>>1525995

The new Doom will flop because rather than returning things back to the fast as shit gameplay they'll probably turn it into a slower more modern shooter with cutscene executions.

>>1526002
if they make all enemies grey again i swear to my mum

>>1526002
Didn't they start over (the first time) because it was getting too CoD-like?

>>1526026
That doesn't mean that it won't still be a slow paced regenerating health shooter.

Honestly expecting something different would just be crazy talk these days.

>>1525995
>>1526002
>>1526023
>>1526026
>>1526035
speaking of recent Id games getting new games, on a scale from 1 to 10, how would you guys rate Doom 3, Quake 4, and Wolfenstein '09?

>>1526048
Doom 3 was good, albeit not being much like the previous games. 8/10

Did not like Quake 4. I made a rant about it here
>>1525829

Haven't played the newer Wolfenstein, but it looks okay

>>1526048
>Doom 3
4/10
>Quake 4
6/10
>Wolfenstein 09
6/10

>>1526058
Also the only things Quake 4 and Wolfenstein 09 have is their weapons.

They have the same bland gameplay of Doom 3 if not worse.

But Doom 3 had shit weapons on top of that, especially the chainsaw

>>1526035
Some part of me wants to believe they wouldn't sink so low...

>>1526065
Maybe I'm being pessimistic.

After all, modern gaming has shat on every single game franchise I considered good.

Doom 3 already shat on Doom to me, so I'm expecting D44M to be worse.

>>1525879
name/link?

>>1525879

>>1525860

>>1525781

>with useless information

if this place were filled with more Doomworlders than it actually is, they would've ripped you a new one

PrBoom's alt hud helps those who are into demo recording, since that sourceport allows you to record vanilla-compatible demos and helps you tons when fighting in a large map and you're uncertain if you've killed everything already for a valid UV-Max demo entry

>>1525676
>>1525765
>>1525781
Holy shit guys. In PrBoom(+/- ++) the -+ keys change screensize, at status-bar free size you can press F5 to switch between a variety of huds. The default of which has the most information.

>>1526098
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33079&sid=9ee24541b8e6f93e4f0e78d78ac336ae
I don't like the fullscreen hud either and this is about the only (G)Zdoom hud that isn't a bag of dicks.

What I don't get is, with the system the way it is, why the fuck hasn't anyone made a simple hud mod that completely replicates the appearance of the normal mod, but just floating a hair over the bottom and centered regardless of resolution?

>>1526048
Doom 3 - 8/10
Quake 4 - 5/10
Wolfenstein- 6/10
Rage - 8/10

despite their problems I liked Rage and D3 so much I started a second gameplay the second I finished them so anything below 8 would be lying

>>1526026
That was just a rumor I think.

I don't know if D44M will be shit, but it's likely that it will look like shit. IIRC it's using the same engine they used with RAGE, and unless they step up their shit, well...

>>1526167
>I don't know if D44M will be shit

I have a simple way to tell if it will be good or not.

Does it have the original team behind it?
Is it a modern game?
Are the publishers known for shoveling out bad games for quick cash?

If two of these are answered with yes, then it will be bad.

D44M will be shit.

>>1526189
Also to note that

Does it have the original team behind it?
Is it a modern game?

Both being answered yes will still result in a bad game because modern gaming is made to be shit.

>>1526193
>>Both being answered yes will still result in a bad game because modern gaming is made to be shit.
/v/, pls leave

>>1525860

>>1526189
It took Carmack seven years to catch up to Unreal 3 and in the process the entire ingame world is basically painted concrete. Even simple shit like skulls on chains in the first bandit cove are as immobile as fucking Doom sprites. Furthermore on Nightmare it's easier than Halo Reach on Normal because they had absolutely no idea what they were doing with difficulty.

Then they rereleased Doom 3 and added so much ammo it's ridiculous, 200 fucking shotgun shells by the time you get back to the radio check guy. So much for even pretending there's tension.

On top of that you have small companies like People Can Fly and Croteam popping out legit hardcore maze & throng shooters.

So the Doom 3 and Rage management is out on Doom 4?

I don't see how that's a bad thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3NoDEu7kpg

>>1526196
It's not my fault that publishers will do everything they can to monetize and simplify gameplay because they want to get the lowest common denominator.

>>1526209
Doom 3 didn't have the original team behind it.

It had only Carmack and he's just a code monkey.

>>1526227
/v/
pls

>>1526224
Should I feel comfy looking at all that fire?

>>1526224
>.gif
>.GIF

>>1526224
So we're going to have to hope enemies walk into the fire pillars?
I was kind of hoping the fire pillars would go out a bit to burninate more people.

>>1526229

I'm too lazy to bother making webm shit. You'll live.

>>1526209
>catch up to unreal 3
Yeah because what you really want to aspire to is trying to make one of the worst engines you can possibly make.

>>1526229

jesus
wept

>>1526245
Oh that makes it much better than what I was thinking.

I thought it would bounce off their heads and you'd have to lead enemies into the fires.

>>1526237

The unpowered torch's flames move, the fireball is more about completely lighting a room up in fire. Plus the fireball rips through monsters, unlike the torch, so you could just lob a fireball at their feet and laugh as they get a fire enema.

>>1526243
You're right that's not exactly fair, Unreal 3 was far more successful and used in many far superior games.

Testing ultra lossy encoding, how are you doing higher framerate captures with that quality?

>>1526248

Nah, there'll be other weapons that bounce around and go apeshit, the torch and fireball are all about just ruining things.

>>1526256
What mods are you playing with?

>>1526260

Judging by the rocket icon next to his ammo, I'd say Dakka

>>1526260

The mod is Dakka, not sure about the map.

>>1526260
Dakka, map is Unholy Realms MAP25.

>>1526260
I can tell you the weapons are Dakka.

>>1526269
>>1526268
>>1526264
>>1526263
Tried googling the mod but I just get Warhammer 40k. What's Dakka like?

>>1526272
That works, thanks

>>1526270

http://ijontichy.lostsig.com/wads/dakka-0.04.pk3

>>1526251
>far superior games
Not really no. Pretty much every single game that has touched UE3 has been utter garbage. So it's pretty much on par with Rage.

>>1526273
hey borderlands 1 is pretty fun (but you can't mod it and its multiplayer is going to die so yeah)
and so is UT3, although UT99 is funner

>>1526280
And gems like Turok and Borderlands 2 and Bioshock 2. Also Bloodstorm is a real corker.

>>1526282
eh, borderlands 2 wasn't all that great, although it has damn good sounds that I've stolen

I'd go on a mini-rant but this is /doom/, not /blg/

>>1526280
>hey borderlands 1 is pretty fun
No it wasn't. It was an absolute borefest for the first two playthroughs and only got slightly interesting on the 3rd start. The weapons had almost no significant variation and the gunplay garbage.
UE3 itself is a gigantic fucking disaster. Though UE was never really all that great anyway.

>>1526289
well gee sorry for having fun with a game you didn't like

>>1526287
Borderlands 2 mentioned in the same sentence as Bioshock 2 and Turok isn't a compliment.

Also I want to believe in the possibility that Doom 4 will be awesome. If Shadow Warrior can come completely out of fucking nowhere and be awesome it's possible Doom can come back.

No idea of quality on this one, haven't seen the output yet. Longer video just under the limit.

>>1526301
You can have fun with shitty games all you like, but it was a buggy pile of shit and poorly designed and an awful excuse of an FPS. Those things are true whether you enjoyed it or not and that's the kind of shit you're trying to pass off as 'superior.' So oh gee wiz sorry your own ass that facts got in the way your bullshit argument mister.

>>1526302
>Also I want to believe in the possibility that Doom 4 will be awesome.
http://youtu.be/gqdNe8u-Jsg?t=1m11s

>>1526312
Dat fucking imp.

On the subject of Unholy realms, I kinda wish whatever makes this happens on map01 would go away:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcWQHdYcUlc&feature=youtu.be

Question about HMOD.
Can you fuck the monsters yet? After I smack them a few times, they just start fingering themselves and passing out.

Nice maps, though.

>>1526315
it was also the first time anyone tried a diablo-style weapon system in an FPS, it had promising concepts that I wanted to see taken further (one of which I added back to doom), and it was good fun to mess around with (grenade jumping and phasewalk broke so damn much)
if those don't make enough of a reason to enjoy it according to your standards, then I don't care about your standards

and if I'm wrong about the weapon system, give me names because I actually want to see them

>>1526289
I think that was the biggest problem with borderlands 1/2
>billions of guns
>90% of the ones that are actually unique are the legendaries with low drop rates
If there was anything that it did wrong it was the fact that you had to get to the point where you can actually SEE the fucking legendaries later on in the damn game because in the first/second play through it felt like you only had 4 (3 in BL 2 because the communists hated the idea of rockets being used as a primary weapon) types of weapons
>shotgun
>mega-spunkgargleweewee-shooter 5000 edition
>sniper rifle
>rocket launcher (only applies to BL1)
>2009 (BL1, and 2012 for BL2)
meanwhile in DOOM
>chaingun
>shotgun/SSG
>rocket launcher
>plasma rifle
>BFG
>1993
And don't get me started on the enemies

Hate to destroy anyone's hopes for Doom 4, but according to an id Software employee Doom 4 has been constantly reinvented since its first reboot in late 2011, leaving it nowhere near complete.

That "Doom beta" thing you get with the new Wolfenstein may just be a pipe dream.

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-id-Software-RVW3410891.htm

>>1526348
You guys ready for Doom Forever?

Does there exist anything worse than Doom 64 Pain Elementals?

>>1526348
Then Doom 4 can come out as an unfinished buggy piece of shit slammed together in 6 months from disparate parts the same way as Aliens Colon Marinara. *Then* Zenimax can license out the property to a proper studio to get shit done.

With any luck Flying Hog Studios will win the draw.

>>1526336
>it had promising concepts that I wanted to see taken further
I won't disagree with that. There was potential and hypothetically speaking it's a good idea. It was just employed miserably.

> (grenade jumping and phasewalk broke so damn much)
You know what also broke the game, shooting things. Because the game has no concept of challenging beyond level differences. It's essentially the dead opposite of why Doom is great. Every concept you can stick in for FPS was fucked up and poorly done. The novelty mechanics were poorly done as well, the skills were also broken, in that some didn't work correctly and if I'm not mistaken even to this very fucking day you still need community faq to fix the fucking item cards not displaying correctly. Yeah, they gave such little shit about it they didn't even bother to fix the one thing that was the entire point of the fucking game. The community had to do it.
On top of that, multiplayer was fucking horribly implemented and jittery as fuck, as expected from modern netcode, especially from the shitfest that is UE3.

I don't give a shit if you care about my standards. I give a shit that you opened your dumb fuck mouth to call a rat ass good. You want to go fucking play shitty games that's fine, do it. You wanna start mouthing off about objective quality, it helps if your shit don't stink.

>>1526369

worse in what kind of aspect?

>>1526371

>>1526345
Rocket launcher barely counts as a gun because it was so fucking useless. Every single thing in the game was better to use.

>>1526379
>OMG IMA POST A MACRO TO TELL HIM TO LIKE WHAT I LIKE BECAUSE I HATE FACTS.

U mad bro.

>>1526373
It spits 2 lost souls instead of one, which is made worse by the fact that the doom 64 lost soul is more agressive.

>>1526384
They die to 7 pellets though, so it balances out a bit.

>>1526381
Not really, he's mad as fuck that comment chain is hilarious.

He missed one though. I took every character in BL1 to level 50 and he forgot to mention that the chick has 4x the damage output of the guys. Brick is useless, Mordecai is useless, Roland is okay, but she does 4x the damage with elemental guns.

Pick up an elemental smg, any one of them, and she will outdamage them by a ridiculous, how-did-this-pass-qa degree.

>>1526348
The best thing they can do at this point. Drop the facade, stop making the game, liquidate redundant assetts, shift worthwhile employees into the technical/design departments at Bethesda and hope their money can improve their other awful games past the point of mediocrity. id is dead, the sooner they realize it the better. Unless someone there not related to Bethesda goes on a restructuring spree and comes up with brand new reinvigorated id, which is just about impossible in this era.

>>1526330
Yes. Do enough damage to gib them, then go closer and press use.

Hmod webms fucking when

>>1526385
Actually Mordecai had the single highest damage output with pistol spec.

Lilith had the most survivability and second highest DPS

>>1526390

You will know you've gibbed them when pink hearts start floating up.

>>1525490
>>1525494
>terminus constantly wrecking gmota_guy's shit

>>1526389
>>1526390
Heh.

>>1526390
>>1526395
Thanks.

>>1526389

I think that's the UV-Max of it

>>1526392
Well on a game based on luck of the draw I didn't notice. Just pecking enemies with her smgs and then ducking behind a chest high wall safely killed everything WAY faster than anyone else standing and pouring rounds into a critical zone.

Also the most fun I had with it was Roland, shotguns only. Once you get ~15 levels into shotgun proficiency you can actually snipe crossmap with the semi-auto ones.

Also I love digging into my unplayed folder; I'm four levels into jenesis.wad and it's fucking awesome.

>>1526385
Lilith is the best. Mordecai is the second most powerful in the game and literally shreds the shit out of things with revolver. It's just a bit slower than the SMG but also does more damage per shot.

>>1526397

I couldn't hit him with the boost ball, okay? That, and I've never been very good with multiplayer stuff.

That and I swear on my life my fire buttons get locked, it's something to do with Zandronum's netplay, happens to every mod I play.

Sweet, better quality.

>>1526406
Well Mordecai gets the highest crit rate and all he needs are pistols.

Then you find a Masher and he's pulling shotgun crits that do 10x damage and are pulling double shots per shot.

Lilith and Mordecai are basically tied for first for different reasons.

I like Lilith more.
I also really enjoyed Phasewalking.

I wouldn't mind seeing something like that in Doom

>>1526407
What mod is that?

>>1526416
Project MSX.

>>1526416
Project MSX on Doom 2 The Way Id Did

>>1526414
Most people don't even know how to use the revolver properly. It's absurdly fast and you can pretty much fire it nonstop.

>>1526414
Also I really really liked Maya's design much more than Lilith. Them tattoos.

Too bad Phaselocking was boring

>>1526381
yeah >>1526379 isn't me

>>1526371
well if you want to compare game mechanics, let's go

BORDERLANDS: most of the enemies are pretty damn easy to kill, and the only challenge that comes out is from getting forced into bad positions by the map because most of what they do is run up to you and shoot/charge, and take cover now and then
DOOM: all the enemies are *extremely* easy to kill, and the only challenge that *ever* comes out is from getting forced into bad positions by the map because all they do is run up to you and shoot/charge

BORDERLANDS: the weapon variation comes only in number tweaks; there's no fundamental behaviour differences among the non-uniques
DOOM: the weapon variation comes from differing the amount of pellets per shot or tweaking the damage/speed of a projectile; the only break from the "shoots projectiles/bullets straight forward that do damage directly" is the BFG, a weapon so damn convoluted that an entire FAQ had to be made for it

BORDERLANDS: there's bugs such as the last line of item cards not displaying, and the netplay was "jittery as fuck" (which is why you don't fucking use gamespy seriously) - the community stepped up to fix it, since gearbox either didn't attempt or didn't get to fixing them
DOOM: there's bugs such as moving against a wall angled a certain way makes you incredibly fast, that projectiles occasionally went through walls (MAP07), and due to broken REJECT lumps there were cases where you could stand right in front of a monster and they couldn't see you; there were limitations where looking at too many sectors literally causes the game to crash, which was *intentional*; and to this day there's people who refuse to patch these bugs because they're "classic", and no attempt by id was made to fix most of these; it fell upon the community to fix all this up with source ports

>>1526419
I'm honestly surprised people liked anything outside of revolvers and shotguns.

Nothing else really felt like there was any power behind it.

Not even rockets.

>>1526426

BORDERLANDS: jittery as fuck multiplayer, I'm guessing because P2P
DOOM: if one person was lagging, everyone else's game *froze* because not only was it P2P, every tic had to go through every single client before the game advanced

BORDERLANDS: skills are broken (if by that you mean find rare items, which is bullshit, because all the skills themselves work)
DOOM: radsuits fuck up occasionally and bleed through damage anyway

I have no fucking clue what you mean by novelty mechanics so whatever

so yeah uh

if you really want to force objectivity into this (which I never did, I said "pretty fun" and "enjoy it", which are pretty obviously SUBjective), I'll fight you on those grounds. and if we're talking objectivity, age doesn't matter. only the merits of each game do.

A whole minute, this one. Continuation of the previous.

>borderlands talk
>in a doom thread

Guys. What the hell?

Here, someone pick what I work on next:

>arm cannon subshot projectiles
>boomerang item crash
>goddess bracelet crash
>add the arcane chicken and mystic wine powerups
>FOOD BARRELS

>>1526435

ffmpeg settings?

>>1526426
>>1526430
>the only challenge that comes out is from getting forced into bad positions by the map
But Borderlands 1 and 2 don't have this.
Each encounter tends to be in a pretty nice wide open area and all enemies come from the front.

>there's no fundamental behaviour differences among the non-uniques
This might be an issue because Borderlands only really has four weapon types if you're going to break it down like that.

While Doom still has 6 even if you lump the SG and SSG together.

> if we're talking objectivity, age doesn't matter. only the merits of each game do.
The Doom engine was revolutionary for it's time and popularized a genre.

Borderlands doesn't seem to have that kind of impact on the genre.

I like both but don't like all the DLC for Borderlands
I wasn't who you were arguing with by the way.

>>1526438
I don't think the Bracelet should have a crash.
It should just be super strong on it's own.

Chicken and wine.

>>1526414
>I also really enjoyed Phasewalking.
So did I. In fact, I even made a mod to replicate it! This video's old, though; I ironed out a few issues (and might actually add in the proper sounds now) since then.

If you want, I could dig up the thing it's in.
(It's in Lelweps.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlAhUhF4SKc

>>1526426
There are fixes for the bugs in Doom even if some people want to keep it classic. There's a reason to keep it classic for things such as comparing speedruns to older speedruns. Else they become largely incomparable. Sourceports do have fixes for them though.

The enemy difficulty in doom is made from attrition and overwhelming, there's no real situation where the same is true of Borderlands. Though, for the most part, Dooms enemies are more difficult to kill at the top tier and the game is well balanced for it.

>>1526429
My friend enjoyed the sniper rifle. I found the sniper rifle had one nice thing that just about never happened without forcing the issue. I sat up on a ledge with a rifle and he drove away and dug up some bugs, which I shot from across the map. It was nice to have that kind of distance in the fight, but it's not something you come across alone and it's not really effective to split up that far generally. Longbow nades often fall out after so far as well. You can't snipe that distance solo since enemies tend not to spawn until you show up on their doorstep generally.
I don't remember giving a shit about shotguns really in the first game. Revolvers and SMGs were the main course. Of course not even rockets, rockets were bugged and had piss poor range detection, you had to slap people in the face and it still didn't do proper damage even with the tree jacked out.

In the second game, shotguns are the best thing there are and no ones even on par with gunzerk.

If .webm were to be a Doom weapon, how would it look like and how would it act?

Note: I'm actually thinking of using it if someone manages to create one...ahem, for a project.

>>1526443

The problem with that is the way I have it set up, it uses sword rage like other subweapons, when you go into the powered sword state, you lose all sword rage and the ability to generate it. so you wouldn't be able to fire the goddess bracelet at all when you power the sword up

DOOM THREAD: WEBM EDITION

More of that, 5 minutes total on the whole video.
>>1526439
ffmpeg -i test3.avi -ss 00:01:40.000 -to 00:02:30.000 -vf scale=480:-1 -c:v libvpx -
:v 500K -crf 4 -an test5.webm
Original video is encoded in Lagarith Lossless Codec.
>>1526438
FOOD BARRELS HELL YEAH

>>1526452
.jpg = ssg
.gif = chaingun
.png = bfg
.webm = plasma rifle

It's double the pleasure, double the fun of .gif.

>>1526430
>DOOM: if one person was lagging, everyone else's game *froze* because not only was it P2P, every tic had to go through every single client before the game advanced
Invalid with sourceports

>I'm guessing because P2P
No. It was jittery because UE has dogballz for netcode. The person who starts the game hosts the game and everyone who he invites joins up. I had a friend who tried hosting who could barely handle the game it was fucking terrible. Even in optimal conditions it was still pretty bad though. I preferred hosting the server myself because fuck my friends, not really but they generally give less shit about a ping and lag than I do though I can still crush their shit even in the worse conditions. It depends

>>1526442
Lumping the SG and SSG together is bad because they operate differently. You can lump the pistol and chaingun, because the chaingun is pretty much a pure upgrade and the pistol is useless after you get it.

>>1526463
It was only an example.

Even if you lump the pistol and Chaingun together it still has a weapon variety of 6.

>>1526445
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlAhUhF4SKc
That's fucking hilarious. I like the idea, that's a bit more powerful and unbalanced for the vanilla game though.

>>1526442
>Each encounter tends to be in a pretty nice wide open area and all enemies come from the front.
new haven was challenging for exactly that reason; it's the only area where enemies don't come just from the front, and in fact they usually had positional advantage, and the riot shields and turrets shook things up some
those guys HURT; shame they didn't then keep up with that difficulty

>While Doom still has 6 even if you lump the SG and SSG together.
bullet spitter, faster bullet spitter, spread bullet spitters, projectile thrower, faster projectile thrower, and some weirdass projectile-plus-cone-of-bullets thing

in borderlands terms, that becomes repeater pistol, smg, masher/shotgun, rocket launcher, e-tech gun/mercurial blaster (both garbage, seriously gearbox projectiles are supposed to be GOOD), and the norfleet in BL2

>>1526446
>The enemy difficulty in doom is made from attrition and overwhelming, there's no real situation where the same is true of Borderlands. Though, for the most part, Dooms enemies are more difficult to kill at the top tier and the game is well balanced for it.
there's no real attrition in either doom or doom 2, and the difficulty from killing them isn't difficulty but tedium

mods like hard doom and complex doom have the right idea (make the attacks more threatening), but they do it in a rather hamhanded manner (especially complex doom) and it just comes off badly

hopefully that one monster pack vince is working on avoids that pitfall

>>1526445

>super castlevania IV intro music

Oh man. I want to play this map

>>1526471
Holy crap that looks awkward but kind of neat.

>>1526470
That's why it's in Lelweps. NOTHING in Lelweps is balanced.
You get a pistol that fires nuclear missiles for fuck's sake.

>>1526452
webm as a weapon. First/primary shot takes a 5 second snapshot of everything you see. Second shot/secondary plays that 5 second video back as a projected texture dimension and anything that gets hit in the playback takes damage. So you could record someone running by you, then when they come barreling around with a ssg you play it back, they shoot the video, hits the video of him, and he gets killed.
So it's sort of like a moving technological voodoo doll as it were. Good luck pulling that off.

>>1526456
Two or three minutes left.

>>1526471
That's hilarious looking.

>>1525046
he is adding a lot of stuff to v20, not just blood effects. I can't wait to see the water and dirt effects.

>>1526485
http://pastebin.com/mr6QpnCC
Neat, should follow this next time.
One minute left.

>>1526482
The issue with balance isn't that your weapons are stupidly powerful, but that the enemies can dish it out equally or take/evade it.
So you might have enemies that charge off your nuke, or throw the missiles back at you or that shoot nukes themselves, then everyones just trying to survive even with stupidly powerful shit. Weapons of Mass Destruction mod for Q2 was kind of like that. People would get guns that would send fiery nuke shit around and murder whole rooms instantly, but everyone can get it. Same with some excessive mod servers for Q3, some were tuned for utter destruction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXUli6VQLNs
There's some hilarious zipping along for you, not too bad but still dangerous as hell.

>>1526389
Gray hair? Did I miss an update or is the video quality deceiving me?

>>1526448
Are imps and cyber demons the only girls you've done so far? Besides that one enemy behind the bar.

>>1526498
One more to go

>>1526510
Looks like he's using the software renderer. Doom's palette has shit-all for purple, so it comes out like that.

>>1526502
The issue with balance isn't that your weapons are stupidly powerful, but that the enemies can dish it out equally or take/evade it.

Nah man you don't understand.
The nuke pistol wipes out nuts.wad in one shot.
You can't shrug that off.

What you're describing is what seems to be happening with Dakka. Yeah, you get damned good guns, but the monsters being made for it do too. It eventually turns into Serious Sam style gameplay, where everything dies in a couple seconds and you have to be completely in tune with your environment to stand a chance.
That's what I wanted to happen, by the way.

>>1526407
>HOW'S THIS FOR A NEURAL STUNNER ASSHOLE

>>1526516
Oh, I hoped it was an update but I guess I'm just impatient

>>1526471
now under 3MB without being scaled down thanks to the pastebin in >>1526498

>>1526531
How is he holding the super shotgun to reload it?

>>1526535
Doomguy hopes around on one leg using the other to put the shotgun on.

>>1526548
I've always thought of him as being in a rocket propelled wheelchair, which explains why he can move so fast and can't jump.

>>1526535
Sticks it in his armpit

>>1526535
Very carefully

>>1526553

>>1526498
I should probably pay attention to when ffmpeg finishes.

>>1526558
>Doomguy: The After Years

>>1526553
>>1526558

There's an actual edit of a picture of a man in a wheelchair with Doomguy's pic pasted on it

>>1526535
don't ask the difficult questions, anon

>>1526568
Last one. FOR NOW!!!!!!!

>>1526412
>>1526435
>>1526456
>>1526485
>>1526498
>>1526568
>>1526618
Good lord that FOV..

I fucking love WebM

How can I improve from here

Anyone got a link to HMOD?

>>1526593

lol wut

>captcha: moment sftener

>Level starts
>Fire one bullet
>Several Cyberdemons roar out
Into the trash it goes

>>1526697

You never played Zharkov goes to the store?

>>1526698

>pixel-precise shootable triggers
>reveal a room with the weapon that actually balances the whole map

>>1526703

Nope. What is it tho?

>>1526713

one of the goofiest mods out there, better experienced than explained

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?file=combos/zharky_x.zip

>>1526675
The tears of low FOV users fuel me.

I was gonna take a crack at this webm thing. Have any of you guys tried XMedia Recoder? I've heard it's good.

Also, what would you guys recommend for video recording software? I've never done it before, so I don't want something really complicated, something simple preferably.

>>1526734
I use dxtory with the Lagarith Lossless Codec and ffmpeg to encode it to webm.
Here's the batch script I'm using:
rem MAKE GENERAL
ffmpeg -i %1.avi -codec:v libvpx -b:v 3*1024*1024*8/%2*0.975 -to %3 -quality best -cpu-used 0 -bufsize 1000k -an -pass 1 -f webm %1.null
del %1.null
ffmpeg -i %1.avi -codec:v libvpx -b:v 3*1024*1024*8/%2*0.975 -to %3 -quality best -cpu-used 0 -bufsize 1000k -an -pass 2 -f webm %1.webm
del ffmpeg2pass-0.log
And an example of using it:
>webm2.bat e2m9 120 00:02:00.000
The same should work on linux if you replace del with rm.

>>1526727
fractal doom in heretic or what is that mod?

>>1526742

That's more Dakka stuff

>>1526783
well,thanks

>>1526742
Dakka. Look above.

>>1526823
Oh lord, never recording at 60fps again.
RIP footage.

>>1526823
What command did you use for this particular conversion?

>>1526823
Was this recorded on a potato?

>>1526839
Same as above.
>>1526837
No, adding 3 times the frames really didn't do well when trying to fit 2 minutes into 3 megabytes.
Here's the same footage in 40 second form.

>>1526851
Can't even reach 1:45 wroth of footage with that same script, let alone 2 minutes. Did you make any particular changes? Here's what I'm using.

ffmpeg -i %1 -codec:v libvpx -b:v 3*1024*1024*8/105*0.975 -vf scale=-1:360 -quality good -cpu-used 0 -threads 4 -bufsize 1000k -fs 3072k -an -pass 1 -f webm %1.null
del %1.null
ffmpeg -i %1 -codec:v libvpx -b:v 3*1024*1024*8/105*0.975 -vf scale=-1:360 -quality good -cpu-used 0 -threads 4 -bufsize 1000k -fs 3072k -an -pass 2 -f webm %1.webm
del ffmpeg2pass-0.log

Which one looks better? I'm gonna animate it slightly by having the glow pulse in and out

>>1526859

Shit wait fucking GIMP didn't paste the other one.

Trying this again

Is there an image with a comparison between the original, 64, and maybe even Doom 3 enemy design?

>>1526864
>>1526859
God damnit you're making me hungry again.

>>1526859
>>1526864

Neither of them look good.
That "not pixelated" outline needs to fucking go and be totally pixelated.

>>1526052
Qauke 4 campaign was actually more fun than Quake 2 campaign. At least monsters can kill you in Quake 4!

Obligatory SNES Doom joke.

>>1526889

yeah I just noticed that. I'm blowing them up proper now.

For someone who plays a shitload of old games and loves this stuff, I'm -extremely- poor at keeping sprites consistent. I'm not an artist but I certainly can't get people to make everything for me. Gimme a sec I might have something

Thanks captcha for fucking my response.

There.

Now when I get it animated, each color of the outline will pulse in and out.

>>1526857
I always record at 30 or 20 fps and have the resolution at 640x384. Both can be configured in dxtory, or done by encoding and then re-encoding into webm.

>>1526917
Never has a man worked so hard to make virtual chicken look so good.

Thanks to all the anons that came for Dreadnought CTF. It was a blast and a half.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgCuis8PKCs

Anybody here got any Doom Confessions?
I'll start.

I use the Arrow keys for movement

>>1526932
I haven't played vanilla Doom in years.

As far as I'm concerned Project MSX is the definitive version of Doom

GMOTA and TSP get honorable mentions but I really really need fast paced custom monsters

>>1526930

>The Jino Train

That motherfucker

>>1526930

Might as well post this as well.

Let's see how many Metroid fans get it.

AND NOW FOR THE MOST BORING WEBM EVER

>>1526048
>Doom 3
7/10
I enjoyed it, even if it doesn't compare to it's predecessors.

>Quake 4
Never played it.

>Wolfenstein '09?
8/10
I found it pretty fun, despite some flaws. Though it doesn't have quite the fun gameplay as RTCW

>Rage
7/10
It had it's flaws, but I found the game to be genuinely fun, even if it fell short in a lot of places.

>>1526958
Norfair from Zero Mission?

>>1526958
That Chozo inscription boss battle from Zero Mission?

>>1526048
5/10, 6/10, 4/10. Enjoyed all of them, but they are no masterpieces.
Only one of them is an "Id game", though.

>>1526961
What .wad is that?

>>1526942
>but I really really need fast paced custom monsters

working on it. at the very least I need to make the monsters more aggressive and attack more often. I don't want to fuck with the basic mechanics of the doom monsters too much, like how some mods give pinkies a lunging bite and shit

>>1526942
>but I really really need fast paced custom monsters

Also vaguely working on it for a WIP super hard difficulty I'm still sketching out.

>>1524979
A HIND D?
But seriously, is that some kind of aircraft wad? The thing on bottom looks kinda like a jet's nose.

>>1527001

That's a beak. Anon. You're playing as a chicken who can shoot big fuck off lasers

>>1526989
>>1526990
You guys rock.

Ever since I played Project MSX it feels like playing against regular Doom monsters is like.. Slow motion.
And fast monster isn't quite the answer since monsters stay in place shooting nonstop until you break line of sight.

Feels like they should fire, move quickly, fire, etc.

I love Doom's monsters but I wish they were just faster.

>>1526989
How to fix the Pinky while keeping him true to his original design in two easy steps:

1) Faster movement speed but not -fast speeds
2) Bite has a bit more range so you can't easily bait their attacks so freely

>>1527061
Oh god that level

>>1525098
>>1525782
>>1525814
>>1525879
>TurboCharged Arcade is one of the first wads webm'd
Somehow I'm not surprised.

>>1526917
looks tasty

>>1527045
I think the ones in Project MSX are pretty much spot-on in speed and attacking, besides the jump attacks if we're keeping things within "classic" mechanics.

Mancubus in HMod when?

>>1527117
looks quite creepy in a cool way

>>1527134
Yeah, Plutonia 2 was actually quite excellent.
It's even better than the original iwad in my opinion.

Also, has anyone made a triple-barrel shotgun for Doom yet?

WebM is pretty neato

>>1527163
>that fucking punch
DOOMGUY STRONK

>>1527163
>Marisa Kirisame
You better not be who I think you are.

>>1527163
How is your game so smooth? this video looks like it has better framerate than the actual game on my computer. is it because i play in 8 bit and you're using some kind of true 3D renderer which allows for more fps?

>>1527171
Saya-chan on the ZDoom forum, yes.

>>1527134

>looks quite crappy in a cool way

fixd. JUST LOOK AT THEM SHOULDERS AND HIS CLAVICLES. LOOK AT THEM

His face looks good. The rest of the body? Not that much

>>1527045

Believe it or not you're still faster than a -fast pinky. If people weren't so accustomed to play on -fast you would've seen complains about his behaviour being too unfair. It shouldn't give you problems and otherwise one should truly git gud at it

It's almost like the perfect upgrade someone would ever give to the pinky while staying vanilla as possible

>>1527174
pls go

>>1526224
Not
>I am the fire, hear my voice! Hellfire!
0/10

>>1527176
who says I was talking about just the monster, dumbass?

>>1527174
Oh. Nevermind, I thought you were someone completely different.

You should probably use a different name in case someone else from /k/ spots you.

Sidenote, isn't .webm fucking excellent at compressing?

>>1527163
>>1527173
no idea, but I really wanna know why. I play in (g)ZDOOM and it's not that smooth, infact, it seems prboom is smoother than gZDOOM

>>1527182

god damn who fucking needs audio in .webm anyway?

>>1527189
I don't know anything about prboom, can it have higher framerate while in 8 bit too? i don't think i would sacrifice the 8 bit look for a better framerate.

>>1527193
prboom is basically vanilla but with a few limitations from the original engine removed

in any case, I am sure he's playing that on gzdoom

>>1527190
Well, it's just a test, it's the first video I've converted to .webm, and it works quite well.

>>1527182
Yeah, but I wish ffmpeg wasn't so awfully slow at encoding VP8.

>>1526864
make it glow slowly like this? switching between two?

>>1524961
>Hot preggo gets fisted

Is there some sort of reference im suposed to get here?

Step 1 to making a good doom

you must consume the flesh of the beast

its like tiger blood

>>1527497
I don't get it either

>>1527518
>>1527497
doomguy + the LOSS edit

he rips and tears with his fists

CADlady was a prego prior to LOSS

>playing Project MSX for the first time
HOOOOOOLY SHIT this is intense

>>1527545
Project MSX and Russian Overkill are like the very best I've played so far.

>>1527174
Holy shit, I thought you were dead.
I played Total Madness and IMO, its one of the best jokewads ever.
Could you update the download links on your UBXMaster website? I wish to download the rest of your Doom mods.
Thank you in advance

>>1526389

uhhhh

source?

>>1527598
Brutal Doom v20 preview.

>>1527604
I know its some mod called hmod, but I wanna know where I can download it for the sake of some shiggles

>>1527615
Anybody know the link to it?

>>1527636
http://static.best-ever.org/wads/m12-hmod_techdemo2b.pk3

i think this is the most recent one

>>1527640
Thanks, so who the fuck is the author of this depraved nonsense?

>>1527640
oh wait no theres a third demo but i cant find it in my history :/

>>1527517
I wouldn't associate fish with Doom.

>>1527656
RED MEAT WITH RED BLOOD!
RIP AND TEAR!
YOU ARE HUGE THAT MEANS YOU HAVE HUGE MEAT

>>1527657
that's more like it

>>1526364

>>1527656
I killed this particular shark when it wouldn't leave me alone.

Does that make it Doom?

>>1527645
>sex
>depraved
kek

picture sorta-related.

>>1527656

>>1527671
PROD WITH THE PROD

What weapons mod is this? It looks fun as hell

>>1527671

>>1527634
>palsma

>>1527681
iI's been 5 minutes since you've posted and you've not linked to what image you're talking about.
So I'm gonna give you a chance and ask: what are you talkin' about?
What are you talkin' about?

>>1527695
>he doesn't remember Peter Chimera's timeless masterpiece by heart
For shame, Anon.

>>1527182
I love how I can hear the song without the audio playing. Thanks brain.

>>1527163

Please don't trip unless you're contributing to projects.
Thanks.

>>1527694
oh jeez, how embarrassing. I spent that time looking at Webms

>>1527163
>>1526531
The source for those two would be nice.

>>1527640
>>1527646

http://static.best-ever.org/wads/m12-hdoom_techdemo3.pk3

testing

>>1527701

Please stop making a big deal of it, thanks.

>>1527704
The first one looks like Russian Overkill on Sunder maps to me. No idea what mod the second one is, though.

test 2
man, did I fuck with the quality of these

>>1527712
the first one is not russian overkill

>>1527697
BREAKING THE LAW BREAKING THE LAW
BREAKING THE LAW BREAKING THE LAW

>>1527696
I've let you down.

>>1527715
Um, yes it is.

>>1527782
alright then, I made a mistake
no need for girly "ums"

So John Carmack is currently being set upon by social justice cancer.
Pic related.

Live commentary on /v/
>>>/v/238702734

>>1527907

>>1527907
>>1527910

>>1527910
>>1527919
What's the context? What are people expecting him to apologize for?

>>1527910
>>1527919
>>1527934
Dunno what this is, but I guarantee you it's garbage that belongs on /v/.

>>1527934
Remember that slactivist storm over the Firefox CEO? (The guy who also made javascript, used in basically everything worth a shit on the internet)

Carmack basically states that he did not agree with his views but what happened to him was just mob tactics and bullying with SJW's trying to make him make an insincere apology and being against people having personal opinions that have nothing to do with how they work in a company.

It's McCarthyism bullshit but with a new coat of paint and SJWs that think their feelings are more important than facts.

>>1527940
Confirmed for garbage that belongs on /v/. We talk about video games here on /vr/

>>1527936
>stuff about one of dooms leading creators belongs on /v/ because my feelings

>>1527945
This has nothing to do with Doom or video games, though.

This is the same silly type of reasoning people use to post barely related shit on /v/. If Carmack was seen eating at McDonald's does that mean we're supposed to talk about his taste in food?

I'm going back to Hmod.

>>1527910
>Integrity is completely orthogonal to the positions held. Integrity may not outweigh resulting negatives, but it does have intrinsic value.

You can tell he's a programmer.

>>1527943
Your shitposting is against the rules.

>>1527940
Oh yeah, that was retarded.

What's retarded is that the CEO of Mozilla didn't make the anti-gay comment recently. It's just something they dug up from his past, after he came CEO.

>>1527950
>You can tell he's a programmer.
I read it in David Yost's voice.

>>1527958
So much for tolerance of other viewpoints.
I'm not going to call for somebody to be fired if they want to ban drugs even though I want them legal.

The real point though is this shit might come to influence game devs as a whole.

>>1527962
>The real point though is this shit might come to influence game devs as a whole.

That is a super specious connection.

If we are talking about Carmack maybe it should be about when he was relevant to Doom instead of talking about Twitter Facebook shit.

screw drama post map01 webm speedruns

>>1527970
Sure buddy.

Maybe if you just deny hard enough and say everybody against this is paranoid and something"ist"/"phobic", the sheer force of your denial will change the facts on the ground.

I'm interested in games, not cancerous social justice types telling me I'm a racist for not agreeing with them and playing games.

>>1527983
>11 seconds

I can beat that. I think.

>>1527974
That occulus rift doom thing looked pretty gee

>>1527983
>webm

What is this sorcery.

>>1527970
Better safe than sorry. I'd rather be seen as a fool now, than be proven right later.

>>1527910
>>1527919
I can't help but agree with him, he's making logical sense here.

>>1527940
>Carmack basically states that he did not agree with his views
Fair enough.

>but what happened to him was just mob tactics and bullying
It is. I don't agree with him, but he also has 1st Amendment rights like everybody else.

>with SJW's trying to make him make an insincere apology
Progressives love insincere apologies. I genuinely do not understand why.

Do they honestly think they change someone's mind by coaxing them into making an apology that the person very often does not believe in and is not sincere about? That's kindergarten tier shit.

They're not going to stop being a homophobe or a racist or whatever just because you pressured them into saying "I'm sorry", they're going to just do it more quietly from then on, and then secretly resent you.

>>1527989
>What is this sorcery
check the sticky on /g/

>>1527951
>If Carmack was seen eating at McDonald's does that mean we're supposed to talk about his taste in food?

We're not? I recall he had a particular fondness for pizza and Diet Pepsi from what I read in Masters Of Doom.

>>1527992
>Progressives love insincere apologies.

It's just more bullying, it's twisting the blade. Like "Yeah we broke you!".
It's become a movement at this point where they do all the things trolls and assholes do without but think it's ok because "I say I support [x]".

At least trolls and assholes are aware when they do the exact same things that they're causing hurt when they do it (which may be why they do it).
SJW's dangerously rationalize it all away.

Like Carmack said
"The idea that someone cant have any integrity if they hold a position you disagree with is very, very damaging to discourse".

Their response?
Piss and whine.