/vr/ - Retro Games

eh, not really. mother 3 is though if you haven't already.

>>1475150
This.

if anything at all, just look up the storyline of mother 1 and have a read because it's interesting as a prequel to earthbound. you don't need to play it if you already beat EB.

I'd reccommend playing it, since you've already played Mother 2 you will probably find Mother 1 too dated like everybody, but I think the game has a great atmosphere and I honestly liked Mother 1's plot more than M2.

However, I'd reccommend playing the games in order, going from M1 to M2 is awesome. You already played M2 so you will definitely feel like going backwards in terms of gameplay, but I think the story, music and everything else make up for it. Also, it's pretty good for being a NES RPG, most people who say it's "too dated" probably haven't played a single NES RPG, they just compare it to Earthbound, a game released on the next generation system, several years later.

>>1475145

There's only 3 games like EB, including EB Zero. Play it.

Although EBZ has random battles, and man that makes a huge difference. It can get really annoying.

>>1475145
>Is Mother/Earthbound Zero worth playing
No. Play Mother 3.

>/vr/ is too casual to handle Mother 1

come on this isn't the /vr/ I know

Earthbound (SNES) is really all you need from the Mother series. Mother 3 is just a wannabe.

>>1476904

I'd like to read the logic behind that statement

Play Mother 3, it's great

>>1476909
It's not a good game. Mother and Mother 2 are. Mother 3 just wants to be a good game.

>>1476926

I still don't see any logic, how is it not a good game? I think the whole trilogy is worth playing.

>>1476938
Graphics suck, music sucks, story sucks, lacks inspiration, forgettable characters.

>>1476953

>graphics suck

it looks just like Earthbound, if not even better

>music sucks

I personally think Shogo Sakai did a great work, worthy of the series.

>story sucks

I actually enjoyed it a lot.

>lacks inspiration

But it has tons of inspiration, ever read The Notebook by Agota Kristof? Great novel, it was one of the main inspirations for M3.

>forgettable characters

I actually got really attached to the main characters by chapter 4, not to menton the shocking ending of chapter 1, I don't see how they're forgettable.

Not trying to sound like an annoying fanboy, Mother 3 has flaws, it's not a perfect game, but you haven't come up with any convincing criticism other than "I don't like it so it sucks"

I have a semi related question.

Is the GBA Mother better than the FC one? I tried playing the FC one about a year ago but it was too boring.

>>1476953
>music sucks
I don't care how you feel about the rest, but this is over the line.

>>1476982
I never played the GBA ones but I hear the music conversion is horrible, but you get an easy ring or something to make the grind more tolerable.

>>1476982

It's the same game, in fact it was slightly worse audio.
People often reccommend the GBA version because of the fan translation made by the Mother 3 dude, which is better than the official, unreleased NOA version ("Earthbound Zero", the one you probably played). And also because there's an "Easy Ring" item hack that doubles your exp and makes random encounters easier, but I believe you can get something like this in some hacked rom of the nes version too.

>>1476982
The GBA version with the re-translation patch is the definitive version of the game.

http://mother12.earthboundcentral.com

The sound is fine. It's the Mother 2 portion that sounds bad.

The translation is way better and more natural sounding, the controls are updated so you can use L to check thing and talk to people, there's a run button that functions properly unlike the NES version. Also there's the Easy Ring if you want it.

>>1477028
>>1477029
How did they even manage to make the GBA sound worse than NES...?

>>1477397
They didn't. Mother 1 sounds like it should, Mother 2 is the one that sounds poor. Like every other SNES game ported to GBA.

>>1477382

i don't remember the nes translation being bad

i played through all of it

>>1477412
It wasn't bad, just incredibly flat with little to no personality. The re-translation captures more of the Mother feel.

>>1477382
Is the M2 half the only half that's translated and uncensored? I've heard that you lose something going from the JP to US versions.

>>1477430
by "only half" I mean "only version of M2", sorry.

>"Oh! Giegue! I loved him... I loved him, as if he was my own child... He was always wagging his tail... just like a pup..."

>>1477430
The M2 portion is untranslated except for item names.

>>1477430

http://forum.starmen.net/forum/Community/PKHack/Mother-2-to-EarthBound-Uncensored-patch

http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/682/

>>1476982
The GBA fan translated one actually contains the uncensored sprites too (unlike the original Japanese GBA one, I believe, which used the censured US Prototype versions. This was just a bonus added in by Tomato, pretty sure). I'd say it's the definitive version, I've played and beaten both.

>>1475145
If you enjoyed EarthBound, you'll enjoy Mother. It's definitely more "dated," but it's still a lot of fun, and gives off that "Mother" vibe, especially at the end. Very touching game.

Of course, as everyone else is saying, play Mother 3 as well.

>>1477564
>I'd say it's the definitive version
But only the items are translated

>>1477723
Talking about Mother, not Mother 2. Mother 2 only has a menu patch, while Mother has the entire game retranslated by Tomato (head translator behind the Mother 3 fan translation) to be closer to the original Japanese version. It retains the humor and charm similar to Mother 2 that was largely lost on the official NES prototype. The text looks a bit nicer too.

i wanna play mother games but i travel alot, i have a modded psp but i lack the GBA_bios.bin file and a recommended emulator. /vr/ i need help.

>>1477804
>and a recommended emulator

Here you go, straight from Emulation General.
http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Emulators_on_PSP

TempGBA4PSP is really good and a major improvement from gpSP when it comes to compatibility. Mother and Mother 3 work beautifully.

SNES emulation on the PSP is mediocre at best, though, so I wouldn't recommend it for Earthbound.

I'm currently playing Mother 3, and I like it so far.

Other than it being your average grindfest, the story's amazing, and the characters as well.

Dat explosion of Flint. The entire chapter 2, and Kumatora.

Currently at Club Titiboo Was it intentional?

Really all the Mother games are worth playing.

Don't play Earthbound Zero though, play Tomato's Mother 1 translation. I hear there's a translation in the works for the Mother 2 side of the GBA version, but it hit some pretty big snags and obviously by Tomato's talk it's horrible to hack.

>>1477810
>SNES emulation on the PSP is mediocre at best,
Stop spreading lies
I've played Super Mario World, Shin Megami Tensei and Earthbound and none of them had major framerate issues. RPGs like these shouldn't have any trouble, just don't try playing Super Mario RPG or Mario Kart.

>>1478080
SNES runs fine if you like using disgusting amounts of frame skip and shit audio buffering.

>>1476953
YOU suck, m8

>>1477028
>>1477029
>>1477382
>>1477564

Thanks, I'm going to try the GBA one then. I'll be playing it in Japanese anyway, I probably should of mentioned that.

>>1477862

I don't remember having to grind on Mother 3, or any of the other 2 games for that matter unless you count trying to get the rare drop items.

>>1478493
EarthBound there isn't much grinding. I just replayed it and I can't think of a time (other than getting the Sword of Kings, which is items, as you said) where I had to stop and grind besides maybe the very beginning in order to take on the Sharks.

Mother has a lot, though. Every time you get a party member, it's off to Magicant, and you seriously need to grind to get through Holy Loly Mountain/Mt. Itoi. Unless you're playing with the GBA Translation's Easy Ring, of course.

Never had to grind for levels in Mother 3, but I ALWAYS had to grind for DP in order to buy the latest gear. It happened pretty consistently.

>>1478493
>or any of the other 2 games for that matter unless you count trying to get the rare drop items.

I refuse to believe you got through Mother without grinding.

>>1477862
>>1478493
>>1478623

Yeah, Mother's one hell of a grindy game. Mother 2 didn't really have me doing it except for the pyramid.

But for Mother 3, I did had to grind twice at least.

>>1478623
>>1478770
>>1478834

If by grinding we understand stopping at one place and fight for hours to gather EXP points, no, I never had to do that in Mother 1, or any of the other games.
In Mother 1 it's true you need to take the new friends to Magicant, but mainly to buy them their equipment (and get the candy from the cat in the case of Lloyd), but other than that... I mean, you will need to fight against some enemies anyway because by the time you get Lloyd and Paula join you, you haven't learned the Teleport psi power, so you'll have to walk your way out of Magicant, but you tank everything with Ninten anyway, Magicant enemies are piss easy for him at that point.
I died a lot in Mother 1, and the enemies in Mt. Itoi can be some tough motherfuckers, but nope, I never had to grind.... grinding is something I think when I remember when I played Dragon Quest 3, where I had to grind for days and days to get my goof girl reach level 20 to be able to make her of the Sage class.
In Mother 1, leveling up is fast as fuck, Lloyd and Ana reach level 20 fairly easy just by fighting along Ninten, you don't really need to worry much about protecting them, they get strong fast enough, especially Ana and her psi powers, and Teddy is a beast and the strongest physical character even at a low level, I remember I wrecked some shit on the underground cave prior to Mt. itoi with a low level Teddy (19 or so).
Most people finish Mother with Ninten around level 30 or 35, and the rest of the characters still on their 20s. It's not what I'd consider a "grindy" game to be honest.
By the way, Mt. itoi becomes piss easy once you get Eve's memory chip, just teleport to Magicant anytime you're low on HP by using the magican hook, heal up, and go back to Mt. itoi with the memory chip at full health to continue the battle.

I played it without the easy patch
I also beat it in japanese on the GBA the second time I played it

NES music - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5_R4WMBZjg

GBA music - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrFeZBw-FHA

>>1475145
I'd say play it. You should probably expect it to be primitive in a lot of ways, but the story is cool. The game might even be better than you expected.

>>1476953
Mother 3's graphics are just Earthbound's, but with waayy better animation and consistency

>>1479235
>cute girl with mr. saturn

nice

So let me get this straight, the 'best' version of each game (for English speakers) would be:

Mother: the GBA retranslation
Mother 2: Earthbound with Mother 2 uncensoring/re-edit patch (whatever it's called)
Mother 3: GBA with translation patch

That correct?

>>1477397
>>1477403
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdwIaaP8jzU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYqDCPg7GPE

>>1479535
Yeah.

>>1475150
The annoying thing about Mother 3 that keeps me from playing it so far is that since there are no perfect GBA emulators the battles don't work properly. You can still complete the game, just not get the whole experience.

>>1479601

I got to pull off a couple 16-hit combos on Mother 3, emulating it on visual boy I think. And I do have the game and have played it on the GBA, it's maybe a bit easier to pull off perfect combos on the real thing, but it's still doable with emulation. Maybe the real problem there isn't the emulation itself, but the display, using LCD monitors will always result in a bit of delay, I played it using a CRT monitor and of course using a USB pad. Anyway, you should play the game even if you can pull off combos. Many people finish the game without even knowing about them.

>>1479667
That jacket is the coolest shit ever. Too bad it's the rarest MOTHER merchandise out there

>>1479235
No NES prototype?
C'mon, man.
Yes, I know they're the same game.

>>1479235
>In Mother 1 it's true you need to take the new friends to Magicant, but mainly to buy them their equipment (and get the candy from the cat in the case of Lloyd), but other than that... I mean, you will need to fight against some enemies anyway because by the time you get Lloyd and Paula join you, you haven't learned the Teleport psi power, so you'll have to walk your way out of Magicant
You'll get your shit wrecked if you try to walk out of Magicant with Lv 1 party members, even with their Magicant items equipped. Sure, it's POSSIBLE, but so are low level runs of DQ3. Why would you make the game so much harder by trying to progress to, say, the second factory area with a level three or four Lloyd? You're just playing with chance at that point, hoping everything attacks Ninten.

>>1479742
Because I think it's impossible to reach the factory with a level 3 or 4 Lloyd. As I said, you'll have to walk out of Magicant first, which means you'll fight a fair amount of enemies on the road. As I said, leveling is faster on Mother than on Dragon Quest, you'll get Lloyd to a decent level once you get out of Magicant. or at least get enough HP for him to not get KO'd in 1 hit.
Grinding, to me, is staying on a specific area fighting the same enemies over and over, I never had to do that in any Mother game (again, unless it's for rare item drops), I think fighting enemies along the road isn't grinding, just the natural way you play the game.

>>1479774
Not knocking what you're saying, man, but when was the last time you played the game? I'm replaying it now, and unless you easy ring, walking out of Magicant is not enough to get Lloyd past level four. As well, Ninten one-shots pretty much everything, which helps for single enemies, but if you run into a pair of Magic Snails or a trio of Watchers/Swooshes in the labyrinth, you're playing with fire. Then there's the pairs like Cougars/Lynxes and Skunks, or Barbots and Lil Saucers outside before town.

Again, I don't doubt what you're saying. Eventually they'll get strong enough if you just continue playing, but I doubt it comes without a frustrating amount of trips to the hospital and a wad of cash lost to medical bills.

>>1479784

I first played it on 2009, and then again in japanese on GBA, 2 years ago or so.
If Lloyd dies on Magicant, you can just go to the medic center there and he'll get healed/revived for free, and again, by the time you make it out of Magicant, Lloyd will be a bit stronger.

The enemies I remember having a lot of trouble with outside were the rope and the jail profugee, and the mad truck (fucking asthma attacks), the rest of the enemies I tanked them with Ninten, Lloyd isn't useful until you get the rockets, bombs and other weapons.
Anyway I didn't say the game is a total piece of cake, but grinding is not required. (again, by grinding I mean staying in one place, you will fight a lot of enemies walking everywhere outside of towns anyway)

I need a place to talk about Mother that isn't Starmen.net

thank god for /vr/

>>1479806
True, true. I'll accept that, then, I suppose it IS do-able. But really, if you have the patience to constantly go back to Magicant at any point Lloyd gets knocked out in his early levels (or Ana and Teddy, to a lesser extent, since they're later in the game with more party members to back them up), you might as well use that time to grind up instead.

>>1479832

Well, I didn't mean go to Magicant every time you lose Lloyd, just in case he gets KO'd while you're in magicant, otherwise just go to a regular doctor outside. Anyway, yeah, you will need a bit of patience of play old RPGs, in general. All in all, Mother is one of the most "friendly" RPGs of the 8bit era, I think. It also helps that, like in Dragon Quest, you don't lose your progress when you die. Ever played Phantasy Star? you die, and you lose everything and go back to the last save point. In that case, grinding is understood because you lose every exp point if you die, but in Mother, even if you die, you'll keep them, so no need to stay in one place really, just keep going.
Once you get Ana it all becomes easier because of her PSI powers, again, just take her to Magicant, then she'll learn many useful powers, including Life up.

the first time I played EB0, for some reaosn I didn't got the Magicant hook, don't know if I missed the boss, or I ended up storing the item and never using it at all, but I didn't... so I couldn't teleport to magicant anytime. I still don't know how I managed to do it, it was like playing hard mode.

>>1479860
Oh most definitely, I've played plenty other NES RPGs. Mother and EarthBound try to balance this by halving the money you have on-hand when you die, but this is easily solved by never keeping any on hand, only in the ATM.

Also:
>Playing through EB0 without the Onyx Hook
I weep for past you after finding the eighth melody.

>>1479667
I guess I'll give it a go. It's not like I'm ever going to learn Japanese and buy an original cartridge lol

>>1475145
The ending to mother 1 is great. If you play through it just apply the easy patch.

You guys, the best way to play the mother 3 patch is with a gba flashcart, there's no slowdown since it's on the original hardware. I don't know if it's as easy to find flashcarts for the gba as it was 5 or so years ago though.

>>1479601
Are you just talking about the music combos? Just set it to skip 0 frames. And I absolutely enjoyed the game without doing any combos.

>>1480612
Yeah, I'm gonna have to second this. Plus, the pixel art looks better on a GBA screen.

>>1482153

GBA Micro for maximum sharpness and definition

>>1482183
I personally think it looks better on my SP.
Micro is bretty good tho.

>>1482183
Speaking of which, this week I got my imported Mother 3 GB Micro + flashcart

aww yea

>>1482263
Where did you buy it from? I'm desperate to throw money on some exotic gba sp/micro accessories; eg. imported pouches/bags etc etc. My ez-flash iv will hopefully be with me in a week or two.

>>1482271
The GB Micro, or the flashcart?

The Mirco was just an eBay auction, the latter I bought off a friend.

>>1482285
When you mentioned imported gbmicro I thought you had a recommended place japanese gameboy accessories - hoping for something simpler than their ebay counterpart (forgot the name now)

>>1482289
play-asia?

what's wrong in emulators?

is it vba? have you tried vba-m or no$gba?

>>1482291
Forgot about them; just checked and everything but a tri-wing screwdriver is out of stock; thanks anyway!

>>1482295
My advise. Get a SP AGS-101 or a GBA clone system.
The novelty of a micro wares off fast and it just becomes a chore to use.

Does this kind of game/imagery remind anyone else of Spielberg's films, like E.T or Close Encounters? I always got that vibe, like 80s/90s kids going on adventures in suburbia.

>>1482310
I actually already own both the old SP and a micro - I dearly love both. I'm currently relentlessy shopping for an 101 in Europe and accessories for both.

Thanks for the advice though. I personally like the micro size-wise, the shoulder buttons suck, but I don't play any action games at all. How long does your micro's battery last?

>>1482317
>relentlessy shopping for an 101 in Europe
Im in the same boat. I really don't wanna pay E-bay prices. Im probably going to cave in or get a revo k101
>How long does your micro's battery last?
Long! out lasts my DSlite and SP by a lot. i have my light settings on default and get around 8-9 hours.

>>1482314
ET and Stand By Me loosely inspired various parts of the series, especially in Mother 1 and 2

>>1482314

Yes, Mother games were greatly inspired by movies like E.T., The Goonies, also Stand By Me (I got a strong Stand By Me vibe from playing Mother 1)

>>1482295
just ordered an EZ flash iv from here a week ago.
https://realhotstuff2.3dcartstores.com/EZ-Flash-iV_p_76.html

also i just saw a green gameboy micro and ez flash combo for sale on ebay UK

>>1482332
Speaking of inspirations for the mother series, check out pic related

I also think it's where Ness and Pokey's "friendship" came from (Kanade and Tetsuo), and possibly the idea for PSI

>>1482347
I still dont fucking understand the ending.

>>1482348

>I am.... TETSUO...

read the manga, the movie is really nice but it's mostly a clusterfuck in terms of plot, I think the manga wasn't even finished when the movie released

>>1482350
Cant you just hold my hand and tell me the ending in the little black boxes you make?

please

>>1482351

No. Read the manga. A lot of things are unexplained, changed, or totally ommited on the movie. For instance, Akira actually appears in physical form and separates Neo Tokyo from the rest of the world using a psychic magnetic field and separating the land physically, Tetsuo becomes his servant and rapes bitches day and night. read it, it's worth it.

>>1482357
dammit it just hand my hand...

>>1482357
Thanks, I'll be sure to give it a read.

>>1476959
Exactly.

Shogo Sakai's love theme captured the same feelings as the 8 melodies of Mother 1+2, but with even more emotion.

>>1482350
The Akira movie had wonderful, wonderful art direction (the best animation I've seen in an anime so far, their mouths actually move properly) but the story could've used some better editing. It takes first time viewers a while to get what's happening, and they left out a lot of juicy stuff from the manga

>>1482514
But there was no Johnny B. Goode soundalike Hippie theme. That always kind of bothered me.

Mother 3 had some great tracks (holy shit, NK Cyborg), but as a whole, I think the other two games have it beat by a longshot.

>>1482586
Oh shit, for some reason I remember it having that Johnny B goode riff. Come to think it, you're right.

The Batman reference is cool though.

>>1476903
Mah nigga, I actually prefer it to 2

>>1475283
Oh shit, this review is really interesting. lol at the graphics bit though, they're the only part of the game I thought was lacking

>>1483956

I posted this exactly because of the graphics part. Most people think Mother 1's graphics are bad, but that's just because they haven't played other RPGs of the time, they constantly compare Mother 1 and Earthbound as if they were on the same system.

>>1482940

Yeah I always thought Mr. batty's theme was Mother 3's own rock and roll signature number analogue to Mother 1 and 2's hippie theme.

>>1476903
God, I was fucking pissed when Teddy got wounded and I had to take back Loid.

>>1484562
Every time I see an image of that game the theme tune gets stuck in my head. Thanks a lot, you jerk.

I tried to play this game on emulator, but I think my ROM was bugged. I got to the part where I needed to launch the rocket to break the rocks in the road, but the rocks were still there after launching it. Sup w/that?

If you have time, why not play Mother 1? Sure, you could jump right in to Mother 3 and be fine. but what about when you finish that game? There aren't any other games like Mother out there so just play it because. Besides the definitive way to play it outside of Japan is by emulating it so it's completely free. What have you got to lose?

I've beaten it several times.
I suggest you watch a longplay or let's play.

>>1475283
>>1483956
I found the graphics kind of bland and ugly.
Mario 3 is colorful and appealing.

It does look better than Dragon Quest, though.

>>1475283
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.video/john$20leo/rec.games.video/8NMuD0j4EXE/I7bV6V0oNhQJ

This guy really really liked Mother.

>>1477382
Because of this post I finally jumped and decided to play Mother 1. It is damn good! I'm sure that without the easy ring it would be a bit of a pain, but with it I'm really enjoying myself.

>>1484952
Reminds me of that Mother 1+2 event where people got to meet Itoi, and told him their fondest memories of Mother.

That shit would be so cool to go to

>>1477382
Except that version butchers the music.

>>1486153
Except it doesn't. Mother 2/EarthBound's music is fucked, but not Mother's. The intro is a little stranger sounding, but not bad by any means. The rest sounds fine.

>>1486242
>>1479561

>>1479601
Maybe cuz I played it on a flashcart, but I had no problems routinely pulling off combos. The only issue I had with my copy of the rom is that saving would crash the game. Thankfully, the flashcart had a button combination to open a subscreen that could be used to create a savestate.

Did they actually get rid of the censored references in the Wii U release of Earthbound? Because i'm actually considering getting one and that would be pretty nice addition to its lacking library

>>1486273
And? It sounds absolutely fine. It sounds slightly different, yes, but it sure as hell isn't butchered. Not by a longshot. Slightly different is not butchered.

>>1486284
Despite giving the game a T rating, they did not undo the censorship, probably because it would take a lot of work. I did read that they had kind of changed PK Rockin but I'm not so sure if that's true.

>>1486447
the virtual console version makes some of the PSI animations less seizure inducing

>>1486495
Well, that's some stupid shit. Wish they would just uncensor the game. Fuck Nintendo of America.

Also, I recommend anyone to play Mother on GBA with the easy ring. It's still a damn good game and well worth finishing.

>>1486410

it sounds terrible, the sounds are "just different", but sound many times less appealing

>>1486410
It's almost Phantasy Star 2 level grindy metal shit in the GBA version. Tinny. It sucks.
The NES is much smoother and has bolder bass.

>>1486770
The music is my favorite part of the game, too, so that's why I always play the original

>>1486283
I had little to no trouble getting 16 hit combos on vba. I own the Mother 3 Deluxe box so I need to get around to learning Japanese/Katakana (sp) to play it on a gba sp.

>>1487596

>has mother 3 deluxe box
>wants to play it on a gba sp instead of the sexy limited edition micro

nothing wrong with the SP though.

>>1487603
I just want it to be in super pretty mint condition.

>>1487603
game looks 100% better on the 101SP. Can appreciate the little details they put into the characters

Micro screen while pretty is just too small.

when comparing the screens you really notice just how shit GBA games look on the DSLite compared to the SP/Micro.

>>1487603
Damn, this thing is so pretty and shiny.

Smaller than I thought though, but it makes sense.

>>1475145
Yes, if you're some kind of masochist.

OH LOOK!
ANOTHER MOTHER EARTHBOUND THREAD!!

>>1486284
The WiiU port is pretty good, they did cut down on a lot of PSI Effects so kids wouldn't have seizures or something

>>1489395
Oh man, on a retro video game board? Who would've thought!

play 3

>>1490968

These games aren't on the PS3 unless you use an emulator

earthbound has nice graphics

lookin good

boring dull graphics with bland pastel colors

in b4 someone defends it saying it intentionally looks dull and bland or something

>>1491965
ur mum looks intentionally dull and bland m8

>>1491963
>>1491965

I could also cherry pick some Earhbound screenshot where the color palette isn't as vibrant, like inside some dungeon or something. But I think both look good. Mother 3 actually has more detail and better sprite animation though, which is understandable since it was released like 10 years later.

>>1491965
The color pallet is definitely soft, but I wouldn't say dull.

Use the easy ring if you can't handle the difficulty. Probably my favorite game in the series, no joke. Best storyline when you reflect on it, and best soundtrack by far.

>deals decent damage
>takes two hits
>can dodge
>heals completely
>infinitely replicates
>can't run
>can't avoid
>1st dungeon

jesus fuck, i love this game but it's brutal.

>Ninten's favorite food is "Prime Ribs"
>only 6 spaces in the GBA port

What do?

>>1491963
>>1491965
I don't even know how you can be that blinded by nostalgia as to think Earthbound looks even marginally as good as Mother 3.

Mother 3 is also a better game generally

>>1489395
If you're the one who made that pic you're retarded. Reason being: Earthbound has been well-loved by many since childhood, and the series is very popular in Japan.

ITAOTS is a shitty album nobody cared about in 1998 but was 'discovered' in more recent years by hipster wannabe dildos and is now considered by many sheeple of /mu/ to be 'the most amazing album ever!'

>>1495095
>Everyone who prefers EarthBound is nostalgia blind
EarthBound has more charm to me. I like the modern setting. Going town to town, shopping at Department Stores, using the ATM, resting at a hotel, going to the hospital... it's more charming than Mother 3's setting to me. I mean, it's still modern, but not to the same extent. No baseball bats save the one also hurts that charm.

EarthBound is also more light hearted, while only serious when it needs to be, while Mother 3 feels more serious, but only lighthearted when it needs to be. I prefer the former. Save the NK Cyborg theme, I prefer EarthBound's soundtrack as well. And I really disliked Mother 3's static enemy placement. Randomly generated in EarthBound was better.

As for nostalgia, I beat EarthBound a few months before Mother 3, and several months AFTER that, the full English patch came out. No nostalgia. Just a preference.

>>1491965
look, someone who has obviously never played Mother 3!

>>1479235
Remember that the Magicant Hook is a fucking optional item, I wouldn't have gotten it if I hadn't seen it on a walkthrough. I would have been absolutely screwed otherwise, because I relied on it so much.

>>1495081
BEEF

>>1495639

Yeah, as I said some posts after that, I missed it on my first paythrough (which was blind), it was kind of brutal, and no easy ring, but I still enjoyed it. Still, even without the onyx hook, the game isn't as hard as other older RPGs I've played

>>1491965
No, but it is lighter because it's using the GBA palette. Same thing happened to SMW when it was ported there.

Also, Mother 3 has great pixel art. The colors are more contrasted than EarthBound's, are more readable/detailed, and have better animations.

Characters animate when you talk to them, the walking sprites aren't just one frame flipped, the tree leaves have depth, etc. I could go on but I think you get it

>>1479235
I think the biggest problem with Mother 1 is that it relies almost entirely on physical attacks and finding better weapons.
Later games were much better with incorporating PSI and special abilities.

>>1495081
P.Ribs

I couldn't be arsed to finish M0ther. Too much grinding for my patience, It felts like what a GBC version of mother2 would look like.

>>1476953
totally.
These Games STINK

I couldn't be arsed to finish it. Way too much fucking grinding got bored.
The OST and story and NPCs are awesome as expected. If you played M2 first, it will feel like a simpler version of that.
THESE GAMES STINK

>>1498347
you can buy another one

I started a file on Mother and the very first thing I did was throw away the Easy Ring. How fucked am I?

>>1498347
You could have just sold the thing. What a waste.

>>1495081
Ribeye.

>>1498327
>>1498317


>It felts like what a GBC version of mother2

Yeah, the Famicom/NES was an 8bit system, pretty much like the Gameboy Color.
We've already discussed the "grinding" in this thread, it's not really that bad as people say. You're just not used to random encounters.

>Easy Ring
Plebian. I bet you play Mario with a Game Genie too!

Hey, /vr/! I want to get into series. V recommended me to start with Earthbound. Can you guys tell me which version for which console i should play? GBA or SNES? Also what ROM? Thank you very much!

>>1503485
>that image
what

Anyway, I'd reccomend SNES version. The GBA version of EB is not only untranslated, but the music is butchered.

>>1503485

it's just 3 games to play the whole series, why not start with the first one?
Read this thread regarding differences between GBA and console versions of the games, etc

>>1506180
>I like your bat, that's one good-looking bat

I'm replaying through Mother 2 again but this time off of my Wii U rather than my SNES/Super Famicom. I'll probably post some screens in here of it.

I would love if we could get All three games in one package internationally.

To any of you who want a copy of Earthbound but don't want to deal with faggot ass scalpers:

Buy the japanese cartridge off of ebay for 15 dollars and emulate the english version. Fuck them man. I don't know why the fuck Mother 2 is so cheap from japan.

>try the Earthbound Reshuffler
>Spiteful Crows are replaced with some zombie dogs, but they're not really any tougher
>okay...
>they drop Meteorite Chunks (whatever they're called)
>WHAT
>walk into Onett, sell, have $6,000

Uhhhhh OK...

Yes, it's worth playing. It has a spookier atmosphere and some pretty neat events and good NPC interaction that did more than Earthbound did. Plus, you learn Giygas' backstory.

If you like the series, play it.

Hi, /vr/

Why did you do that ?

>>1506718
This has already been debunked and it's stupid as shit too.

>>1476953
Nice bait, idiot.

>>1506471
Been playing a bit this past weekend & I'm already at Fourside.

>>1494586
I don't understand how you find the game to be difficult, let alone the very first dungeon.

Maybe if it was the Mani Mani/Devil Statue boss fight, because that battle always puts me on the edge of my seat.

is the spectrogram image true?

it's supposedly in the song before you actually fight Giygas and Pokey.

>>1510370
Highly doubt it.

>>1507752
People have odd opinions on Mother 3. Japan thinks it's too story driven.

>>1512025
they have a point, but I'm surprised there are Japs who think it's too story driven, considering how most JRPG's play out

>>1510370
of course not

>>1510370
No, but the Cave of the Past theme does seem to be built around a Beach Boys sample.

http://earthboundcentral.com/2011/04/earthbound-and-the-beach-boys/

>>1512205
I don't think it's too surprising, based on the "false freedom" of Mother 1, 2, and all of the Dragon Quest games.

>>1510338
Actually scratch that.

I'm thinking of a fight near end game where Ness has to face his shadow. I just shot two big bottle rockets at Mani Mani/Devil Statue and it was over in less than 10 seconds.

>>1512025
I think the entire franchise is perfect, & Mother 3 is no exception. I can say it's definitely more streamlined, but it has a fantastic story, among other things.

>>1512227
Speaking of samples, here's a bunch of samples that were used in game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_oc9Ypcb2Q

>>1513252
The Star Spangled Banner can also be heard in the Boris Cocktail.

>>1512547

a boring story, too theatrical

subtle story in earthbound was better

>>1513254
Would you care to explain why it's boring?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAVTmIyA2L4

>>1513252
I fucking love the sound design in Mother 2, and the samples have a lot to do with that

I've made a few tracks out of samples from the game, including the sampled tracks, because I like them so much

>>1513260
shit is brutal

>>1513254

Story in Earthbound can be summarized in "Choosen 4 kids save the Earth from a cosmic abomination", Mother 3 is a bit more complex than that. Even Mother 1 has more plot than EarthBound. This is not to say Earthbound is worse or that its simple story makes it an inferior game, in fact, it's simple story line allows for the game to be very free, and anyway the amount of details in the game, all the dialogues, scenes like the coffee time, or the lumine hall, not to mention Magicant or Moonside, are fucking fantastic, but the plot in itself remains very simple. Mother 1 has a lot of backstory going on regarding George and Maria, but it lacked all the detail Earthbound has due to hardware limitation (still, great for a NES game). Mother 3 presents the same level of detail seen in EarthBound, with its trademark subtlety, but since the game is very story-driven, it needs to be more stream-lined. I welcomed the fact that it wasn't another "kids save Earth from alien invasion" this time, but that it still kept the "being invaded" theme.

>>1513917

right story quality is determined by the originality of its ideas and not its execution

>>1514167

I don't know what you're trying to imply

>>1514169

has no subtly, is not tied together well, no atmosphere, lots of corny in your face "feels" scenes

>>1513917
This anon gets it. Thanks for the pic, anon.

>>1514178
Could you elaborate rather than just stating your opinion without anything to back it up?


Anyway, I've been playing through Mother 2 again after playing through the franchise last year. I had finished on the original, so I'm on the second. I managed to beat the Kraken without having any of my party members fall but it was a trial of paitence. I was able to beat it with at least two members down, but I made it a personal goal to have them all standing by the end of it. Took me a good three or four tries. Now I'm nearing the pyramid. This game is just awesome. I have a blast platying through it, and the music at Scaraba is so damn good.

I memorized the plot of Mother 3 and when I become close to someone, I tell them the entire plot as an oral story, splicing in necessary details from M1+2. You'd think this would be boring, but I always ask if they're growing tired of listening to me several times and they always insist I continue. It usually takes about 20-30 minutes to explain.

I've made 2 people cry just from describing the plot of Mother 3.

>>1514867
>"Hey man, thanks for catching the new Captain America film with me, shit was so cash. You're a pretty cool dude, bro. Down to come to this house party on Saturday? Some of the guys will be predrinking at my place."
>"Yeah man, sounds like fun."
>"Cool. See you Saturday?"
>"Sounds good. But first..."
>"First?"
>"Let me tell you the story... of the Mother series..."

>>1514178

I don't know, I don't really agree with any of your opinions, maybe if you elaborate more?

>>1514867
>Wake-up in a dark room
>Hands and legs are tied, something was jammed in my mouth
>Suddenly I hear footsteps and their getting closer
>Door slowly opens
>In walks the guy I see on the bus everyday when I go to work
>He's naked save for a red baseball cap being hung off his penis
>Starts walking around me and looking at me
>Starts whispering about rocking me or something
>Grabs a baseball bat and starts tapping me on my head
>"I'm going to tell you a little story about life, love, and someone named BearTiger
>I start to lose control and cry, all the while the baseball cap swings back and forth

>>1515161
>>1514976
I smiled.

>>1475145
The trailer said for no crying until the end
was that for the Mother game itself or for the actual trilogy?

>>1515398
For the game. The story could be described as sad in regard to Giyga's story with Maria and George.

>>1515398

I'd imagine the first game.

Which is weird because the original japanese version of Mother 1 had an ambiguous ending, the ending cutscene at the end of Earthbound Zero (where you see everyone is alright, including Teddy) was added to the NOA version of the game, japanese people saw that ending for the first time in 2003 on the GBA port.

Which makes me wonder... was that ending made by Itoi himself, or made up by NOA? I'd assume everything had to be approved by Itoi, even the western (un)release, but I always thought it was a bit weird... is there any interview where they clear this up or something?

>>1515434
Huh...
I played the GBA port to completion but never knew the original ending wasn't the same and was left ambigious. Is there a video of it?

>>1515442

Well, there isn't any actual "original ending", what I mean is the original japanese version doesn't include that extra ending cutscene at the end, it just ends after Gyiyg escapes with his ship, the credits start rolling and the 3 kids stand there on Mt. Itoi.

the only video I could find:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CAe1hZ5q9o

This was only in the original Famicom release, the NES "Earth Bound" version as well as the GBA version on M1+2 feature the extra ending (GBA port is basically just EBZero, it also includes the censorship)

>>1515452
Well, shit. I wonder if it was intended to be in the game or if NoA made this...

I also don't get why they censored the GBA port in Japan other than perhaps being too lazy to take the original game and reworking the Duncan Factory as it was done in the EBZ prototype.

>>1515489

From what I can remember, Itoi said he removed the smoking crows from the GBA version because he quote smoking by the time it was released, but in reality they just got the EB0 ROM, which already had the non-smoker crows, as well as all the other changes.

>>1515867

Someone should go and create a full English translation of the Famicom MOTHER

The censorship is not a big deal in this case.
You don't lose anything that makes the story make less sense.

I see no reason to play EB0 over M1+2.
(Saying "the music is butchered" is hyperbolic)

it sthe precursor.

its like if you played dq5 first and went back and played dq3 or 2 or 1. it's similar but quite a different game.

its the same but its a little different. if i marathon the bound i go 1-2-3...never skip 1.

>>1516457
>I see no reason to play EB0 over M1+2.
>"the music is butchered"

>>1516468
>Saying "the music is butchered" is hyperbolic

>>1516537

saying this looks like shit is hyperbolic

but it goes without saying to most people

Play earthbound zero on nintendo.

its fucking amazing, best game on the NES by far

then listen to the mother vocal album

>>1475145
Box art is better than the game itself. :(

>>1516664

Uh.... what?
Mother games boxarts are just the game logo on a red background, they're cool but the games are also good.

>>1475145
Bear in mind that the stories of M1 and EB connect almost as loosely as possible. M2 and 3 have an alright connection, but as for M1 and EB: if it weren't for Giygas, they would almost be said to take place in different universe.

Does the Japanese version of Earthbound expand any on how it connects to M1 beyond the phrase "Gyiyg Strikes Back!", or is it just as vague?

>>1516770

The same could be said about M2 and 3 though.

>If it weren't for Porky and Dr. Andonuts, they would almost be said to take place in different universe.

in fact there are fan theories that imply something like that.

>>1515867
I figured as much. I played the GBA port of the Mother, but to be honest, part of me likes the idea of the ambigious ending, yet I'm still wondering if Itoi had approved the added cutscene in EBZ or if that was all NoA's doing...

The extra cutscene is kind of nice but was it truly intended to be there?

Anyway, I like the theory that when Gyiyg had ecnountered the Apple of Truth (or whatever it's called) it was told that his invasion would fail due to a boy named Ness and three other children, so he decided to strike by going back & invading a couple years earlier (the first Mother game taking place sometime in the late 80's) but was foiled by Ninten and his two friends in that scenario due to the fact that it was destined to happen (and Ninten's relation to George & Maria of course also being a part of that destiny). Then after Gyiyg'a attempt had failed, he then strikes sometime in the 90's, thus Mother 2 occurs, and the end game fight where Gyiyg's loses any chance of succeeding decides it should go far back into the past but completely ruining himself in a space time bodily melt down for itself hence why it's an abomination and unfathomable, and why Ness and his friends had to be in robot bodies, as well as Porky being in a time like capsule.

>>1517002
Even though 2 and 3 aren't absolutely wrapped up in each other, they are definitely connected better than 1 and 2.

3 has not only the aforementioned Pokey and Andonuts, but loads of explicit references to EB's events, settings and characters (especially in the Hall of Memories) to the point that there's a movie theater showing Ness and the gang. 2 doesn't really have anything like that towards 1.

But even without all that, it would be understandable if 3 didn't connect well to the others because it takes place so far in the future. Meanwhile, 1 and 2 take place a relatively short time apart from each other (in the 80s and 90s, respectively), making the very loose connection that much more egregious.

>>1517269
I believe at one point in development of Mother 3 the idea of revisiting an old ghost town version of Onett was a thing. That would have been neat. There were other ideas too like depending on how many Dragon Points you had at the ed would effect the ending.

>>1516120
There is. The Tomato M1+2 GBA translation. Has the original uncensored sprites and a closer, more faithful translation. Only the music sounds a little different.

I mean, unless you're talking about keeping in the tedious bullshit from the original Mother like the maze layout from Magicant and no run ability. But why would you want that?

>>1517609
That would have been so sweet. Retreading parts of Eagleland would have been really touching and emotional. Would have given insight to what exactly happened to the world too, and when it occurred.

>>1517247

>The extra cutscene is kind of nice but was it truly intended to be there?

I actually don't know, but since it's on the GBA port I assume it is approved by itoi, also I'd believe everything in the english version EB0 had to be approved by itoi, IIRC, the guy who did the localization said he was in constant contact with one of Nintendo employees from Japan who would translate the text and ask Itoi about stuff, not sure though, but I remember reading something like that.

>>1517269
Yeah I agree, but then again, all these references to M2 were simply there to serve as nostalgia shock to the player, also the final corridor just before meeting Porky has the Mother 1 intro musicn playing.

Also, most enemies on Mother 3 are completely new, witht he exception of some in the later parts of the game like the return of octobot, while Mother 1 and 2 share a lot of iconic enemies, like Starmen.

In the end, I still think the main connection between the games are the antagonists. Everything else is very loose and I think it's good that it's that way.

>>1517946
>Also, most enemies on Mother 3 are completely new, witht he exception of some in the later parts of the game like the return of octobot
Titanys from Mother were in the beginning. Same with exploding Territorial Oaks, though they've been redesigned in each game.

>>1518013

Oh yeah, I forgot about those guys.
Also, another Mother 1 reference in M3 is clearly the Magipsyes and their houses... pink seashells? I've seen them somewhere before.

This should have been used for boss battle music in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnsLzijguI8

It only plays during the first 2 battles in the game and then never again.

>>1517689
Yeah, that definitely would have been interesting to see, but at least there are moments from Mother 2 being displayed in the theatre at New Pork City.

So now that the Wii U has GBA games up on the Virtual Console, why doesn't Nintendo release Mother 3 over to the West? I'm sure die hard fans would buy it in a heart beat.

When I played Mother 3, I knew almost nothing about the plot, and when I got to chapter 4, I felt like a strong Onett throwback seeing the transformed, urbanized Tazmily, it felt like Onett, but because of the events and situations in the game, it wasn't really comfy or pleasant as it is walking down in Onett in Earthbound. Those mixed feelings really helped build up that whole atmosphere in the game.

Grinding for Poo's only weapon. Why must the drop rate be so bad?

>>1519043
Heh, I got mine on my first playthrough

Guess I was pretty lucky

>>1519043
Try spying with Jeff, and if you don't get the sword, just run away. That way you won't have to spend so much time in battle and you also won't be level 80 by the time you finish Stonehenge.

Have fun getting the Gutsy Bat.

>>1519043
I'm a faggot, so I used the "all enemies drop all items" code the whole game.

>>1519639
Yeah, I know of this trick.
I actuallt totally brain farted and didn't get the dude at the museum his Venus ticket and so instead I went all the way to Tenda Village then ended up at Stonehenge. I'm back tracking now to finish Fourside. Then I'm going back to Dalaam.

>>1519705
>ticket
Shit, I meant autograph.
Also, I have boot upmy Earthbound cart to check my old save file. I think I might have got the Gutsy bat by stupid luck.

>>1519639

>Have fun getting the Gutsy Bat.

This is the only weapon I still couldn't get, however getting the magical frypan is even more painful to get.

>>1519792
I don't think I ever bothered with getting that. Isn't it a bit risky anyway? I believe you can over level and in the end reset all your stats... or am I wrong? I could have sworn I read something like that.

>>1519868
I know you can avoid the risk by using Jeff's spy ability to check if the enemy has the item, but I need to check on the whole over leveling thing.

>>1519639
>Have fun getting the Gutsy Bat.
years ago my first time playing earthbound i randomly got that one

such insane luck

>>1519871
I don't think there's any risk of 'overlevelling' in EB. I whooped Fobbies in the Tenda Caves because as long as you only attack four or fewer, the game just gives you the 'YOU WIN' dialogue and the corresponding EXP. Fastest way to level up. EB is one of the few games I've ever leveled my characters to their max without cheating.

>>1519887
I can agree with that Earthbound/Mother 2 are the only games I managed to get everyone to level 99. It's the only one in the franchise that ever really has your characters reach that point too. In Mother you reach somewhere in the mid 30's and in Mother 3 it's somewhere around 50's to 60's.

>>1519940
*only game

>>1519868

I did, I was weeks or months, it is the most tedious one because walking on that underworld map is very slow, and chomposaurs are scarce across the map, although there are some tricks you can do to make them respawn faster at the same spot, but it's still mostly RNG luck.

I got everyone to level 99 when looking for the SoK, didn't really care because it wasn't my first playthrough, just going for 100%ing the game. SoK is actually not that bad, nothing is too bad compared to getting the magical frypan.

>>1519972
Nah, SoK isn't that bad. It's really easy to get the jump on Starman Supers on the bridge, and if you're a high enough level you'll just auto-beat them. It's just potentially very time consuming.

Anyone do the T-Rex Bat challenge recently with Jeff at Winters? Did that my last two playthroughs.

>>1495129
>autism

>>1519972
On my first playthrough it took me about two hours or so to get it at the bridge location that >>1520030 mentioned. I didn't bother with the frying pan... But I will on this playthrough. I shall take my paitence ,test its limits, and prevail! I'll even attempt to get the Gutsy Bat, because why not?

>>1520306
I wonder what Mother 3 would have looked like on the Gamecube?? What made Mr. Itoi to choose the GBA over the Gamecube when he decided to revive the game??

>>1520347
Like this.

>>1520357
I love those pictures, do you have the other ones?

>>1520360
Sure do.

>>1520367
awesome

>>1520360

>>1520360

>>1520375
shame it will never be a reality

>>1520360
>>1520382
I know. It just looks so pleasant.

Last one.

>>1520387
I wonder what tanetane island would look like in 3d.

>>1520347
Most likely because of the lack of experience of making 3D games, as it was one of the issues of developing Mother 3 on the 64.

>>1520375
>>1520381
>>1520382
Everybody looks pretty "kawaii" in these.
Kinda weird to me. I always kept the official art (those clay figures) in mind while playing.

>>1521532
Same here. The fanart's nice but reminds me a lot of Wind Waker.

>>1521678
I think that's what they were going for.

>>1521702
I'm sure it is, but I prefer the clay models >>1521532 had mentioned of over just having it copy WW's style.

Mother 3 on 64 could have been rad.

Mother 1 is essentially Earthbound

Earthbound is a retelling of Mother 1

>>1521954

But that is wrong.

>>1521954
Not when the final boss' form is a direct consequence of the first game.

>>1521954
So you haven't played Mother?

>>1482514
16 melodies is better tho

>>1495613
Honeslty, I think nostalgia is the reason I like Mother 3 more. Think about the Earthbound fans who played the game way back in the 90s, waiting FOREVER for a sequel. I remember when EB64 was announced, and I was so excited, only to have my dreams crushed later. Mother 3 was catharsis for EB fans. The story was better, though without playing Earthbound the story loses a lot of impact. The narrative was great, and the music lived up to Earthbound well enough. It was a game made for all of us who waited so long for it. It's the magnum opus of the series, imo.

>>1475145
http://forum.starmen.net/forum/Community/PKHack/Mother-Remake/

Just hold your breathe until this comes out.
>tfw i've been following this project for like 4-5 years

I always had the uncontrollable impulse to read it as Ninten's dad actually saying "SLAM" out loud everytime he hung up on his son

>>1521954
>Earthbound is a retelling of Mother 1

like star fox and star fox 64 basically yes

>>1522367

could you fedora any harder with this post

>>1522507
ikr
substance. do you speak it?

>>1522503
>>1521954

Yes, one is a retelling of the other except for that:

1) no characters appear in both.
2) no settings other than Magicant appear in both.
3) M1 Magicant is entirely unlike and mostly unrelated to M2 Magicant
4) the storylines lack similar plot points, developments, beginnings or conclusions.
5) M2's storyline specifically occurs after the events told in M1's storyline.
>5a) M1's storyline occurs in the 1980s but mentions events that happened in the earlier 1900s
>5b) M2's storyline occurs in the 1990s and mentions events that happened in the 1980s (the events of M1).

So yeah, besides being entirely different stories, they're retellings of the same story (wut).

I wish people would stop repeating things they've heard other people say without appending "I've heard other people say X, but I don't know for myself because Y." In this case, "I've heard other people say that /Earthbound is a retelling of Mother/ (X), but I don't know for myself because /I've never played Earthbound/Mother/either game/ (Y)."

It would really clear up a lot of things.

>>1522548

never heard anyone say this, i thought this personally after playing both games

they are many parallels and aside from some fourth wall references the continuity ignores that mother 1 exists

>>1522553
its like saying super metroid is a remake of metroid

>>1522553
The NA release omits or reduces many of the more overt references in order to avoid confusion for NA players in much the same way FFIV was released in the NA market as FFII.

The original title of M2 in grolious Nippon is something like "Mother 2: Gyiyg/Giygas Strikes Back!" in a reference to Gyiyg swearing revenge at the end of M1. To be fair, however, even in the Japanese version, the references to M1 within M2 were rather subtle but nonetheless there. EB made admittedly very, very few references to M1.

>>1522376
I think they shitcanned this project because they didn't have a reliable map editor.
Sadly, I think just about everything else was done.

>>1522608
What were some of those subtle references to M1 in M2/EB?

>>1522553

But if you played Mother 1 to completion you can't say it's a retelling of EarthBound because the plots are completely different, they only share some key basic concepts like, gather 8 melodies, and the villain is the same. But said melodies aren't the same ones, and the villain is returning in the second game. Same villain, different characters/settings, the same can be said about M2 and 3, except the villain in M3 likes to fuck around with the player's nostalgia more.

>>1522960
I wonder if Mother 2 uses the SA-1 chip?? Some of the effects in the game look like they are the work of the SA-1 to me. Or is it just one of the bigger games that managed to make its size without the need of any extra chips??

>>1522960

ness grandparents and pokey were not in mother, doesn't mean that it isn't a reimagining of the game or that it doesn't take the place of that game

hence the comparison with star fox and star fox 64, or castlevania and castlevania 4

>>1522996

grandparents weren't in mother 2 i mean

>>1522996

It doesn't take the place of that game. It's explicitly called Mother 2: Gyiyg Strikes Back in Japan, Itoi himself said that it's up to the player if they want to hink Ness and Ninten are the same boy or not, but not as a "remake", but as a full on sequel. Except the location (or rather, world) including its characters were different from M1. And again, the same can be said about Mother 3. The whole world and characters are new, and only the villain is the same.

Castlevania IV is just called "Akumajou Dracula" (just like the first Castlevania on Famicom) in Japan by the way.

>>1522720
Honestly? I can't recall any off the top of my head!
It's been a very, very long time (at least a decade) since I've played EB and while I've a pretty eidetic memory and remember just about everything there is to do in EB and the entire gamescript in paraphrase (if not verbatim), I'll have to concede that without having played M2 in its original language, beyond musical references from one game to the other, there may very well be no references to M1 in EB. Or, at least, not anywhere near as direct or overt as in M3 (which itself barely references M1 while heavily referencing EB/M2).

>>1523034
>Itoi himself said that it's up to the player if they want to hink Ness and Ninten are the same boy or not

japanese are indecisive when it comes to answering direction questions, that doesn't mean much

thing is you'd have to dumb not to notice similarities

reimagining =/= remake, it's a different game, but the scenario, general world, (most of) the party members and overall flow of the game is heavily based on the mother 1 / earthbound zero whatever you want to call it

>>1522996
The fact that M2 is called "Gyiyg/Giygas Strikes Back!" dismisses the retelling/reimagining theory entirely. Nonetheless, I've got to admit that I'm finding it difficult racking my brain for overt references between the two games.
Starfox and SF64 star the exact same main cast and many of the same locations.
Castlevania and SCv4 use the exact same main cast and many of the same locations.
M1 and M2/EB have exactly zero cast members in common, main or otherwise besides Gyiyg/Giygas and his Starmen and exactly zero locations in common besides Magicant, which refers to two entirely dissimilar places in each game.
If anything, I might say that M1 and M2/EB are less connected to one another than LoZ and LoZ:AoL are and far less connected than Starfox and SF64. While it might not be a direct sequel, without getting into fantard speculation, the two games clearly occur one after the other.
What does Gyiyg/Giygas strike back from if M1 never occured?
If anything, we can call EB "Mother Gaiden."

>>1523038

Thing is, the reason why you see a lot of Earthbound references in Mother 3 is because Porky himself is obsessed with Ness amd the whole Mother 2 game. But up until you reach New Pork City, there really isn't any Mother 2 reference other than the Franklin Badge (Mother 1 reference) or the Mr. Saturn (which are pretty much the franchise's own mascot, like Slimes in DQ, and I don't think Mr. Saturns in Mother 3 reference anything about Mother 2, or not that I can remember).
However, you've got a strong Mother 1 reference with the Magypsies and their pink seashell-shaped houses, clearly a hint at Mother 1's Magicant.
Not to mention under Magicant there was also a sleeping dragon, just like in Mother 3's nowhere islands... the "sleeping dragon" is a common figure in asian philosophy and literature, it means a strong power that's asleep and awaiting for the right moment to unleash its power, it's used for people who have a lot of potential but don't show it until necessary.

>>1523071

#2 has no relevance, it's not a sequel story-wise, it does not continue the storyline, earthbound retcons it out of existence

the games aren't connected in any way and the universes are mutually exclusive

the subtitle is a reference to star wars, series has a lot of parody / homage to american movies and culture

>>1523061

Yeah but it's not the same scenario, general world, not even party members. They are similar in many ways, but it's a different story, with different characters, and the villain returns in Mother 2, it's not a retelling, reimagining or a remake, it's a sequel. The game is just not really heavy on the plot, so the connections are as loose as they get.

Again, Mother 3's connections with M2 are also very loose. All you can think of as a "reference" counts more as a cameo than anything else.

>>1523085
I don't understand what you are trying to say.
#2? Earthbound? Retcon? It's like you started a story in the middle and expected me to know the beginning and the end from context.
Start at the beginning then, when you get to the end, stop.

>>1506718
> you cannot comprehend the true form of giyga's attack

but it says basically this when you fight him in mother 1 as well

>>1514178
> has no subtly

I just started playing mother 3 yesterday is that an ok one to start with? liking it so far

>>1523280

Not really, Mother 3 is best enjoyed if you play 1 and 2 first. But it's still enjoyable on its own, you just won't get a lot of the references or who the main antagonist is.

>>1523061
> gyiyg strikes back

>>1523280
You'll probably miss out on some things towards the end and going back to the earlier games might feel weird because of all the changes, but it's good on its own. I started with 3 and then played 1 and 2 and enjoyed all of them.

>>1523086
I recommend starting with the first game if you can deal with old school JRPGs. If not, try the second. Or work in reverse. Regardless, they're all great games.

Doing this on the Wii U was so much easier than on the actual cart. Just boots where you last left off, and I'm glad I got this in less than five minutes.

>>1523390
"poo" lmao.

>>1523397
xD

>>1518708
>So now that the Wii U has GBA games up on the Virtual Console, why doesn't Nintendo release Mother 3 over to the West?
Because it'd cost too much to translate and Nintendo won't buy toMato's translation, like xseed did with Deuce's Y's translations.

>>1523501
Tomato offered the translation for free

I don't think Nintendo cares

>>1475283
You will never have a Japanese girlfriend who sends you tapes of her playing Mother in the 1980s.

>>1523897
So Nintendo doesn't like money?
Sounds legit.

>>1523897
That was a while ago though, who knows what could happen down the road

>>1524307
I really hope they release Mother 3 to the West via the VC.

>>1524718
Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind if they don't release it. We already got Mother 3 translated and playable.

Sorry if it's a bit off topic but I don't think that this question deserves starting a new one.
After seeing the picture with the most inspirational movies for Itoi for the Mother series (the one with “The Blues Brothers” “The Goonies” “E.T.” and “Stand by Me”, which I have already seen) I'd like to know if there are other movies with the same Earthbound and Mother 1 feeling like nostalgia, childhood memories, andventures, young kids as actors and Americana landscape.

>>1525517
Don't worry, this thread became Mother general after OP's question was answered.

As for your question, there's movie on the tip of my tounge but I can't think for shit. Maybe it's Nightmare on Elm street? Stand by me was the most Mother-esque, IMO

>>1525517

I reccommend Enter The Void, it's actually nothing like "kids travel across the country" stuff, but this movie's aesthetics and atmosphere really felt like Moonside: The Movie for me.
Just be aware it's a very unorthodox kind of movie.

>>1525619
>>1525627
I have seen both of them and to me they are nothing like M/EB, especially the latter. Even if the games have some trippy or darker sections, I find them to have more of a childhood adventure feel. A movie that gave me a similar feeling was Super 8, it had kids as protagonists and an alien that troubles a small American town, even if the movie itself was more or less just "E.T. with a giant E.T." I liked its atmosphere.

Just beat this for the second time. I absolutely love these games. However, I didn't bother with the Magical Fryingpan or the Gutsy Bat because I feel like it's not worth it in the end.

>>1525346
I wouldn't mind either, but if they can have it running silky smooth that would be swell, and the gamepad's great for comfy playing. I do have the deluxe box, so hopefully I can practice reading in Japanese as soon as I get started on that (soon, hopefully...)

>>1525627
I saw this film years ago, so I suppose I can see the connection you're trying to make, but I would only recommend this for the camera work and nothing else.

>>1525627
I haven't played Earthbound, so I could be totally wrong, but I don't think the story of an American selling drugs in Tokyo to support his stripper sister and eventually being killed by the Tokyo police because he's an idiot and seeing his sister's life fall apart after his death in an out-of-body experience, and ultimately settling into a neon-colored limbo where all of his friends and relatives have sex in a hotel for eternity has anything to do with little kids traveling across the country and having an adventure together.

You might as well recommend Gummo if you wanted the dude to contemplate suicide. That has kids having adventures and forming childhood memories in a podunk American town, at least.

>>1525870
>>1525646

If you care to read the text that accompanied the picture of the movie poster, you'd notice I am aware the movie is nothing like "kids save the world from aliens" or anything like that, but that its aesthetics and atmosphere reminded me a lot of the Moonside segment in Earthbound. I never implied the plot is like Earthbound or anything like that.

>>1525870
I have seen Gummo too and in fact it lies in my "movies that make me feel uncomfortable" folder together with Enter The Void among other movies. Yeah Gummo has a rural American setting but the atmosphere is too unsettling, while I am looking for something more cozy and with the more "action" parts of the movie to be entertaining rather than horrifying or upsetting (and EB/M had the same feeling for me even in the darker/final parts of the game).

>>1525931
I wasn't seriously recommending Gummo. I was using it as an example of something completely unlike what you wanted, like Enter the Void.

Now that I finished Mother 2, I'm considering playing through the third one again. Or perhaps the first.

Any who, here's some neat fan art for whomever is interested.

So, /ebg/ apparently, if not the default name, what do you like calling your signature PSI attack? What does Lucas or Ness bellow as they descend their psychic nuke onto their foes?

Speaking of PSI, how is it that the Magypsies in Mother 3 know it? I thought PSI was an alien power stolen from Giygas's people.

>>1527975
The Magypsies are aliens themselves, so that's probably how.

>>1527814
I never bothered changing the defaults. I might have to get on that.

>>1528089

Was it ever implied they're aliens? I just assumed they were some kind of entities tied to the dark dragon and the needles, but I don't remember they ever explained their origin.

>>1527814
PK Games

>>1528226
Well, I just assumed that. You can only really speculate on it.

>>1526031
>>1525915
yeah sorry bout that, I just wanted to be more specific on the stuff I was looking for atmosphere-wise.

>>1528226
>PSI Games
That's what my original power was way back at my first run-through, as I had no idea what "my favorite thing" would actually be.

>>1528935

Same here.
On my last playthrough of Mother 2 on GBA I pick PK APE (one of the defaults), thought it was funny

>>1513252
maaaaan, who's this FISH

>>1529014
who?

>>1528226
mother 3 takes place in an end of the world scenario in an abstract realm that exists within a singularity.

itoi himself stated in an interview that if dead boy pulled the last needle and darkness/void/annihilation had triumphed that even the world we live in -right now- would cease to exist/never exist in the first place

so whether or not the magypsies are aliens or not is kind of irrelevant when you live at -the end of time- and the rest of the universe doesn't exist anymore. magypsies are whatever the fuck itoi wants them to be.

okayska?

>>1529324

Yah, but still it was never implied they're aliens.
They're not humans though, but I think of them as some sort of fairy-like beings.

Or rather, gypsies from magicant.

>>1529348
magicant is not an actual physical place any more than pk freeze is actual ice

things go there, they don't come -from- there you dig? not unless you count courage and inner strength anyway

>>1529376
>they don't come -from- there you dig?
Then what defensive gear was I equipped with for 90% of Mother?

What baseball bat did Ness have for that end-bit of EarthBound?

>>1529324
>so whether or not the magypsies are aliens or not is kind of irrelevant when you live at -the end of time- and the rest of the universe doesn't exist anymore. magypsies are whatever the fuck itoi wants them to be.
Just because there are things to think about doesn't mean other things to think about are no longer relevant. And end-of-the-world scenario won't make everyone who have played the games not care about the fact that PSI is an extraterrestrial power that these immortal genderless magical gypsies seem to have (and have had) with no mention to its alien origins.

>>1529910
Taken from starmen's forums: "Actually, PSI wasn’t originally from the alien race. George returned to earth and began a study of PSI, nowhere does it say he stole PSI from them (which wouldn’t make sense anyway IMO). If he did somehow take PSI from them it wouldn’t explain how Ana had it.

Nor how all the healers have it.

PSI was already on Earth. Giygas’s race was just more dependant on it (Look ma, no hands!), and could master it at a much higher level than humans could.

Magypsies seem unable to produce PSI at such a level humans don’t understand it, so they’re probably at a similar limit to the humans in the games."

>>1529901
they're made of psychic.

>>1530648

Help me decide what to play next guys. Mother, Mother 3, or something in my backlog that's completely new like the Pikmin series (which I own but haven't gotten to yet...)

>>1531248
You need to play Mother 3.

>>1531335
I have done so before. I've completed the entire franchise... I'm so tempted to replay it though.

>>1531364

We need more EVE fanart.

>>1531248

Mother 1, and don't be a casual, don't use that easy ring shit

>>1531395
We need more Mother 1 art period.
I completed Mother 1 more recently than I have 3, but I used the easy ring. Does it really casualize the experience that much? I thought it only lowered the random encounter rate and give a bit more EXP for each battle, which didn't sound too bad. Makes it sound less tedious. If playing with it really makes it easier than it should be I suppose I should do my second playthrough without it... but how much harder will it really be?

Some people at Starmen.net are working on a remake of Mother, as an EarthBound ROM Hack. It's making progress, so that might be cool.

>>1531449
It's definitely much easier for the reasons you've stated. Don't forget the ring gives you added defense as well, and negates the need to buy that expensive Magicant armor for that slot.

Play without it for your second playthrough.

>>1532149
Well, I was considering Mother 3 since I played Mother 1 more recently, but I'll go for a no easy ring run.

>>1532313
>>1531449

Just make sure to get the Onyx Hook from the Fish boss in Magicant, then go back to Magicant using it everytime you get a new party member and buy them good equipment.
Once you learn Teleport, you can go to magicant and then return to whatever town you were in at any given time, this is helpful if you're struggling somewhere with low HP and need a refill.
Anyway, if you've played Mother 1 more recently, maybe you could go with Mother 3 now, and then play Mother 1, 2 and 3 in order next for a change. IMO playing the games in order is the best.

>>1532324
I did 2, 3, and finished on 1 last year. Since I finished on the first I replayed through 2 on my Wii U and beat it this past weekend. I suppose I could do another Mother 3 playthrough but now you have me wanting to play Mother 1 without the easy ring. Also, I know about the hook. I wouldn't ever play without it.

I highly recommend anyone who's a fan of Earthbound to read through the legends of localization page on it to see what was changed from Mother 2 when localized. It's an interesting/informative read.

>>1476959
>it looks just like Earthbound, if not even better

It looks considerably worse than Earthbound.

>I personally think Shogo Sakai did a great work, worthy of the series.

I agree, the music blew me away when I first played it.

>I actually enjoyed it a lot

It's okay, but not nearly as good as its sequels.

>>1534819
Disregard this, I thought we were still talking about Earthbound Zero.

>>1486516
>Well, that's some stupid shit.
Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Kill yourself you sack of shit.
As an epileptic man, I think I'm entitled to enjoying the occasional video game like everyone else without spazzing out and giving myself a concussion.
I'm buying Earthbound from Wii U to play it for the first time just to spite you. And I'm going to enjoy every minute of it, fucker. Fuck you. I hope one day you're hospitalized for just trying to enjoy a game you were looking forward to. Eat shit.

That said, I enjoyed my recent playthrough Earthbound Zero. I'd say it's worth playing.

>playing mother 3, naming all of Lucas, Flint...etc
>"Wow I bet this is gonna be a swell adventure with the party being whole family, that'll be neat!"
Such optimism I had...

>>1529348
>Magypsies
>gypsies from magicant.


You blew my mind a little bit. Although it's kind of telling that they live in pink seashells. Why else would the designers choose to do that?

>>1513252

I remember going through Mother 3 and finding a bunch myself. Like one of the songs on the jukebox is "here there and everywhere" by the beatles.

>>1523909

More like Nintendo doesn't want to deal with american sensibilities when it comes to transgendered folk...who make lucas suck his dick to get PSI powers. Or whatever the fuck happened. You know it was a blowjob joke.

>>1523038

Paula's name is sort of a reference to Ana because when you combine their names you get Pollyanna, the name of this song from Mother 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5g89mGNIvU


And that brings me to the biggest references which were the reused music from Mother 1. There's too many to list since almost everything was reused. I don't think Bein' Friends was and it was the main overworld theme (I think, I'm going from old memories.) Pollyanna was the other most commonly heard theme (I think) and it was only used it Ness' home. A few of them are even heard in Mother 3. Pollyanna was used in that golden nostalgia boatride in Porkey's tower, which was preceded by the main title screen from Mother 1.

>>1522115

>Itoi sites Stand By Me as inspirations for the Mother Series
>Guys from Ape went on to do Pokemon Red/Blue
>The TV In Pallet Town references Stand By Me

Woah. I forgot there were legitimately train tracks in Mother 1.

>>1518714

There's a reason when you reach New Pork City you see houses from Onett that are really just wooden cutouts.

>>1514178
>has no subtly,

Did you even stop to realize Ness was the brainwashed vendor selling shit outside Porkey's theater? Did you even realize Pickey and a bunch of Mother 1 and 2 characters are in Tazmilly's villagers? Did you even notice that Porkey literally returned to the womb?

>>1482940
>>1484624

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5g89mGNIvU

There's the track Rock and Roll.

>>1535974
I bought it for Wii U as well, and it's not so much that making it accessible for epliletc players is stupid, but that they could have rearranged the text but that would be too much work.

Enjoy the game, and stop playing your victim role.

>>1536128
Huh, that sample went right over my head.

Also
>blowjob joke
Yeah, no.

I can totally see how NoA doesn't have the balls to localize due to Amerifag ideals.

These two for Smash4 pls?

I wouldn't mind if they threw in Ninten, Duster, or Flint. Who would you guys like to see as a new Mother rep?

>>1536162
>theories = fact!

>>1536416
There aren't enough female characters in the games. Add Ana or Paula, maybe.

>>1536416
I love Mother and Smash Bros but never really enjoyed their play style. I suck with them.

It's also always bothered me how Ness uses Paula's abilities.

Ness will return, but I think it'd be cool if Lucas was replaced with Kumatora. Flint would also be great, but like >>1536436 said, not enough female characters. Plus I can't imagine they'd give Mother more than 2 reps.

>>1536693
I absolutely love Ness & Lucas' play styles especially in Project M.

That said, I agree on how it's lame that they use PK/PSI powers that aren't their own. Kumatora would be nice, and I think Duster could work very well considering all his gadgets, though I also agree that I doubt we would get more than 2 reps for the series, which is a damn shame.

>>1536434
Gotta admit though, the theory is well written.

>>1484640
That dude almost kills the whole party and then they accept him back as if nothing had ever happened.

That part pissed me off. If Teddy was in the last dungeon, you'd have much less trouble defeating those overpowered enemies.

>>1486447
They should have given Earthound an E10+ rating instead.

>>1536434

Porkey regressing into a baby could hardly be called a theory or subtle. It's a theme and motif that's occurs throughout the entire game. The Tower of Love has a playroom with all his toys that makes it look like a nursery. The way he screwed with nature was as if he was treating them as his toys. Claus was his toy. His theme song is a lullaby. His mecha looks like a crib and his fate of being completely happy in the Absolutely Safe Capsule is supposed to be an analogy to a womb. He even rocks back and forth in it like a baby.

>>1537486
If they hadn't censored it I could definitely see it being a T rated game for Nintendo's standards.

>>1537751
Read what he was referring to.
No one ever said a theme was a theory...

>>1537751
Wait maybe it really is subtle because no one else got it but going from a bratty kid to bratty kid in a crib to absolutely safe capsule screams return to the womb for me.

>>1537756
Are you samefagging because he literally only said two words and was referring to the entire post that listed that as one of the things. It's hard to really know the specifics when you're too lazy to actually type more than 2 words.

>>1537759
Anyways fuck my bloody cock for replying to such awful bait.

What's your favourite music from the Mother games? For some reason this is my favourite but it's an extremely minor part of the game. I think it might be a riff of Pollyanna but I'm not musically inclined enough to explain it.

http://youtu.be/Xw1s0r6NUAc

>>1537759
It ain't bait, dude. And I'm not samefagging. >>1536162
states that the Hot Dog vendor at NPC is Ness, which is a fan theory. A decent one, but still a theory. >>1537751
This is someone bringing up a theme, a subtle one at that.

lrn2readingcomprehension

>>1537767
This. It's really hard to choose one but this one is fantastic. They all are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYvff6bi1tw

>>1537767
hard to choose just one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5AZERT4UmU

also >>1537785

Way too much great music in the series

>>1537780
I'm sorry I'm not as angry as my post sounds. The way the guy replied to my post I thought he was referring to all 3 of those things as fan theories. I didn't know he was only replying to 2/3 things. I wasn't very clear either. My point only was just that I think Mother 3 is subtle for the fact it's up to the player to pick up on tiny details from Mother 1 and Mother 2 and decide on how they connect to this game. (Are Magyspies from Magicant? Is those NPCs Picky and Ness?) It doesn't matter if that theory is right or wrong. I don't think it was intended to have a right or wrong answer. That's the impression I get from Itoi from where he talked about Mother 1 connecting to 2 is up to the player. I remember reading an interview where he talked about how he is comforted by the fact that the Earth will burn out in a million years. That's obviously an idea that's up to interpretation because I think it would upset most people if the world died or reset like the ending of Mother 3. I wish I thought of another way to bring up the pokey baby thing. It's really interesting to me.

>>1537780
Here's a tl;dr.

I listed 3 things.
Someone said fan theories =/= facts in reply to the three things I listed.
The Porkey babby theme was one of them.
Therefor he was implying that the Porkey babby theme was a fan theory.
I didn't know he only meant 2 of those 3 things because he typed two words.
I thought you were samefagging because you apparently knew what he meant.

>>1537785
I love the Youngtown theme because it's just a few bars but captures both sides of the Mother games pretty well. Dark and spoopy, with an optimistic side.

>>1537796
You're absolutely right, it's meant to be up for interpretation, and I totes agree. I should have been more specific myself and only realised how confusing I made my post sound by being so vauge. My apologies.

I'm really excited for the Mother Earthbound/0 remake. I'm hoping you'll be able to put it on some sort of SNES flashcart

>>1537807
>>1537807
I thought you were different people and I got butthurt about it for some reason.

>>1537814
s'all good

>>1537804
I can see what you're getting at. It's very foreign/alien yet it has that glimmer of hope about it.

>>1537808
I don't think they're working on it anymore, anon...

>>1538117
Wrong, the project is active again, there is a thread about it on Starmen.net.

>>1538932
That's good to know!

>>1536693
Replacing Lucas with a party character from Mother 3 just doesn't seem right. I think it'd most make sense if it were something like this-

Ness + Lucas (main protags)

or

Ness + Jeff (M2 protag, M2 party character with interesting moveset)

or even

Ness + Lucas + Kumatora

>>1539279
Maybe they'll add Jeff due to the fact he got an Assist Trophy in Brawl so the younger fans who grew up with Super Smash bros games will recognize him.

I wish Mother 3 characters got clay models.

>>1536416
Love to see Flint.

Does anyone else feel like Mother 1 just has this unique atmosphere to it? I'd say it feels full of mystery and danger, but that doesn't do a very good job describing the feeling I get when I play it.

>>1539656
To me, the script and graphics feel dreamlike. Especially Magicant, but that goes without saying.

I think it's the simple graphics that do it. The easter colors combined with strong reds

>>1539226
>>1538932
Yeah they say it's getting pretty close to complete too I think.

>>1539226
>>1538932
Yeah they say it's getting pretty close to complete too I think. They have all the music redone, the overworld remade and are just missing some of the interiors. I think they have close to all of the sprites for the monsters remade too.

>>1539226
>>1538932
Yeah they say it's getting pretty close to complete too I think. They have all the music redone, the overworld remade and are just missing some of the interiors. I think they have close to all of the sprites for the monsters remade too

>>1475150
THIS.
Play Mother 3.
NOW