/vr/ - Retro Games

Great graphics, music, and gameplay. It's better than bad it's good! like log.

Everything about it is beautiful. Dr. Wily's first stage music frightened me as a kid.

I really really love Mega Man 2 but calling it the best NES game too is just trying to be controversial.

>>1491450
I think megaman x is better.

PROTIP: Mega Man/Rock Man started getting more enjoyable around Mega Man 4 and up.

>>1491625
And up? As in 5 & 6? Obvious troll.

I loved this one since the first time, oh the nostalgia back then... in my Wii VC in 2012.

I consider this the fun Megaman while 3 is the challenge. But not the best NES games.
>>1491625
>Megaman 4 more fun than 2 and 3.

3/10.

Mega Man 2 is a masterpiece. It's rare when everything in a game comes together so well. The art style in the game causes its 1988 graphics to age like a fine wine. Its soundtrack is one of the best composed for any game during any era. And its gameplay remains just as fun and challenging as ever.

For my money, it's the ultimate Mega Man game and one of the greatest games ever made. A must-play.

There's absolutely no reason to consider MM2 when Mega Man 3 blows it out of the water.

The best are Mega Man 1, 2 & 4.

3's difficulty was more annoying than challenging.
5's Wily stages went on for too long.
6 was just a mess.

>>1491915
But 3 is worse than 2.

>lazy Wily Castle level design
>inferior bosses due to having more than 1 weakness
>way more slowdown and flicker
>music generally not as good
>having to backtrack 4 stages to fight Doc Robot
>Rush Jet is OP for platforming

>>1492137
>music generally not as good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdvfFhaDwfc&t=57s

>>1492152
Yeah, that is some pretty forgettable music. Not even close to the awesomeness that is Wily 1 in MM2.

I don't actually care for the Mega Man games besides the music. In that regard, 3 is easily the winner, although 2 has the best single stage theme with Dr. Wily's first stage.

Check out this awesome Genesis mix of Wood Man's theme. Pure awesomeness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U1WAhlEpz8

>>1491942
>3's difficulty was more annoying than challenging.
You just suck; just because a game is hard doesn't mean it's bad.

>>1492260
Just because he found something annoying doesn't mean he found it hard.

I say this as someone whose favorite classic MM is 3

>>1492152

that music sucks and the game would be better without any at all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6ST9g8VAT8

>>1492260
I just suck, huh? That's why I've beaten Mega Man 3 plenty of times? Because I suck?

Sure, Mega Man 3 had challenge to it, but I found the challenge more annoying than the first Mega Man or Mega Man 2. And this is coming from a guy who plays Mega Man 2 on the difficult setting.

>>1492137
>>inferior bosses due to having more than 1 weakness
And Megaman 2 bosses don't have more than one weakness?
>>Rush Jet is OP for platforming
If we're going to talk about overpowered items in Megaman games, then the first thing that I would think of is Metal Blade from Megaman 2.
>>way more slowdown and flicker
Maybe on the Genesis port, but on the NES? Not really. Not in any way that it's common or detracts from the game at all.
>>music generally not as good
Debatable.
>>having to backtrack 4 stages to fight Doc Robot
You didn't think that was cool?
>>lazy Wily Castle level design
How so?

I just thought that Megaman 2 was not nearly as creative as Megaman 3, and also Megaman 2 is too easy. The levels of Megaman 2 did not flow as well, and the gimmicks were not persistently interesting. Plus, Megaman 3 introduced the slide, which I feel was a great addition to the series. The challenge is very fair and it had Protoman. Also, I feel that Megaman 3 is balanced well and 2 isn't balanced as well.

>>1492290
Ok, so what did you mean then? Because when you say that the part of the game that annoys you is the level of difficulty, one would assume that you mean that it was too hard for you(unless you mean that it's too easy, but that wouldn't make sense in this context).

>>1491450
The best one in the series is either this or three, but my favorite is four. The first time I owned the anniversary collection, that was the first game I wanted to beat on it

whoa whoa whoa whoa

Come on guys, let's keep it civil in here. Is there any point in debating whether 2 or 3 is the best classic Mega Man? They're both amazing games in their own way. Personally I prefer 3, but that doesn't mean I hate 2 and I can totally see how someone might think MM3's challenge is "annoying". Specifically I thought that the Doc Robot stages were stupid hard compared to the rest of the game, and it really doesn't flow as well as it could.

That being said I still think Mega Man 3 had the best music in the series. I do love me some Snake Man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4eBNmGzI4A

>>1491898
Except for the dragon's occasional tendency to make Mega Man completely invisible.

>>1492343
>Come on guys, let's keep it civil in here. Is there any point in debating whether 2 or 3 is the best classic Mega Man?
The people in these threads will not and cannot answer that question but I can assure you that they will continue the debate days and maybe even weeks from now.

>>1492316
Something about the bosses and the enemies in the game. I found many of them to be cheap. The Yellow Devil in Mega Man 1 is considered by some to be the hardest enemy in the whole series, but yet, the challenge seemed fair to me. Even though Mega Man 1 is probably harder than 3, I found MM3's difficulty to not be as defined and well-designed as other Mega Man games.

>>1492343
>Is there any point in debating whether 2 or 3 is the best classic Mega Man?
Who says 2 or 3 is the best? I think 4 is the best.

>>1492363
>they will continue the debate days and maybe even weeks from now
years, decades

>>1492413

Most of the vitriol stems from those two games though. It seems like people who like one game hate the other and vice versa, yet they're generally both considered to be the best.

I also like 4 btw. I think it's pretty underrated in comparison. Never particularly cared for 5 or 6 though. By that time the formula felt like it was starting to wear a little thin.

>>1492419
I've seen two Straw Polls here on 4chan asking which Mega Man game is the best.

Mega Man 4 won them both...

>>1492406
Sounds like you need to git gud. The challenge is high but fair, which may seem insurmountable and therefore cheap if you suck. What are unfair or cheap are Quickman's stage in Megaman 2(which is just memorization) and the dragon from Megaman 2 Wily's Castle (if you don't know not to stand on the left side of the screen you are dead) and the crash bombs boss and final boss (if you don't have enough crash bombs or bubble lead at that point, you're fucked).

>>1492426

I'm kinda surprised by that. I don't think I've ever seen 4 ranked as the best.

I kinda want to go back and play 4 now. It's been a good 6 years since I last beat it.

>>1491450
Wow more mega man 2 dicksucking, I'm so shocked
Is it because everyone here is like 18 and they've been told by all the youtubers that that's supposed to be their favorite MM or what?

>>1492436
Everything you stated is opinion only. Just like it's my opinion that Mega Man 3's difficulty could have been better designed.

Like I said, I've beaten Mega Man 3 tons of times without any problems. Me thinking the difficulty could have been fine tuned doesn't how good I am at the game.

So you saying I suck, or need to get good—you are obviously wrong.

>>1492452
I can't speak for everyone, but I grew up playing them all as they were released. MM4 was my childhood favorite, but I think Mega Man 2 had the best soundtrack, bosses and gameplay.

>>1492452
Mega Man 2 has been my favorite Mega Man since I was 11

Which was twenty-five years ago

>>1492452

there's a reason there is no slide and charging in 9 and 10, it ruined the games

most games after 2 also have bad music except for 6 and 7

>>1492461
This. Mega Man 2 got everything just right. Perfect. There's a reason so many old-school gamers adore it.

>>1492454
>opinion only
No it isn't. You clearly don't understand the terms of discussion. An enemy that appears from nowhere obliterating everything in its path(Quickman's stage, the dragon) is the very definition of cheap because it is impossible to survive without memorization or luck(same goes with the crash bombs boss and final boss). That you think Mega Man 3 could have been better is your "opinion," but it's worthless because you haven't backed it up with any facts. By the way, having beaten Mega Man 3 is not evidence of your being good at the game because even if you are bad you can get through it using energy tanks.

I just bought this game at a flea market. I'm 26 and have never beaten a megaman game in my life. I have a game genie, and tried to cheat to memorize the levels. It won't work in the up position in my NES so I'm going to do it the hard way. It's time to man up. I won't let you down, /vr/. I promise.

>>1492468
>An enemy that appears from nowhere obliterating everything in its path... the dragon
I beat the Mecha Dragon on my first try. You are naturally running towards the right of the screen when it appears, so naturally you will continue heading in that direction.

The Quick Man lasers are cheap. But I still think more cheap difficulty plagues Mega Man 3 over Mega Man 2.

>beating Mega Man 3 is not evidence of your being good at the game because even if you are bad you can get through it using energy tanks.
I can beat it without using energy tanks. In fact, I planned to attempt a no-hit run of the game at one point, but instead turned my focus to Contra (which I was successful at).

>your opinion is worthless because you haven't backed it up with any facts
Then so is your opinion, because I don't see any facts to support them.

Most all gamers died the first time trying to dodge Quick Man's lasers. That's just a part of the game. If you think to think that's cheap, that's fine. But I rather like those lasers. They give a sense of reward when you master them, and are now legendary to the series. And that IS fact.

I think Mega Man 3's difficulty is a little more annoying. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. I don't suck at the game. You are wrong to say that.

>>1492461
>it ruined the games

How?

> People defending Megaman 2 chapeness and poor design.

The game is outdated and shows signs of a time when developers were still learning to create games.

Any Megaman released after it is better. Any Megaman X (except X7) is better. Any Zero game is better. Any ZX game is better. Any Legends game is better.

>>1492481
> I beat the Mecha Dragon on my first try
So? I beat some cheap bosses in my firsty try too, but this doesn't change the fact that they are cheap.

> You are naturally running towards the right of the screen when it appears, so naturally you will continue heading in that direction.
And if you are too close to the right of the screen... you know what will happen.

> Most all gamers died the first time trying to dodge Quick Man's lasers
Yes, because they are poorly telegraphed.

> They give a sense of reward when you master them,
It's more a matter of memorization than skill. I don't find this rewarding.

> and are now legendary to the series. And that IS fact.
And this is why Megaman fans can't be trusted.

>>1492494
Because it balanced the series. How can a game be good without a massive amout of memorization and trial-and-error giving me an illusion of challenge?

>>1492481
>The Quick Man lasers are cheap.
>so is your opinion, because I don't see any facts to support [it].
You're contradicting yourself. Look, when I give examples of indisputably cheap moments in Mega Man 2, that is me giving facts to support my "opinion" that Mega Man 2 has parts in it that are cheap. I made a claim, the burden of proof was on me, and gave proof. You refuse to prove your claim that Mega Man 3 is cheap, even though, were it true, it would be easy to do so.
>But I still think more cheap difficulty plagues Mega Man 3 over Mega Man 2.
If you refuse to give any examples then you're just shitposting.
>You are naturally running towards the right of the screen when it appears, so naturally you will continue heading in that direction.
Or you happen to be standing on the left side of the screen and it spawns on top of you, or you are just standing there and it moves and kills you instantly. Also you don't even mention the bosses that can only be killed by bubble lead and crash bombs, which can also be cheap.
>If you [want] to think that's cheap, that's fine.
I think you mean to say "If I want to think that's cheap, that's fine." Because this is what you believe. No need for you to belittle your own beliefs.
>But I rather like those lasers.
Why is it ok when Mega Man 2 is cheap but not ok when Mega Man 3 is supposedly cheap?
>I think Mega Man 3's difficulty is a little more annoying.
Why?
>I don't suck at the game. You are wrong to say that.
Don't get your panties in a bunch. I don't think anyone cares if you suck or not. Hmm, why do you provide facts to support that you are awesome at Mega Man, but you don't provide facts to support your important point that the problem with Mega Man 3 is that it is too cheap and annoying(and that it is unique in the series for that reason)?

>>1492532
>X6 better than Mega Man 2

Say what you will about modern game design, Mega Man 9 is one of the few games in the classic series that doesn't suck.

It's maybe even the best.

>>1491625
100% this.

>>1492541
Yes. Much more enjoyable game. Even the cheap moments are less cheap than 2's cheap moments.

If you want a bad megaman game, play Megaman 1.

>>1492550
> Wasting my time defending X6

Oh whatever, I forgot that dashing + jumping at the same time is too hard for most Megaman fans

>>1492463

Except the Wall Boss with Crash Bombs. It's easy once you figure it out, but I still need 1 E-Tank then if I do it in one turn and without the pause glitch.

>>1492560
> Except the Wall Boss with Crash Bombs.

And Airman, Woodman, Crashman, Quickman, Quickman's lasers, the dragon, Willy boss, the slight sloopy controls (fixed in 3), that bullshit part with stairs and birds. And, of course, how almost everything in the game is poorly telegraphed to the player.

>>1492574
>being this casual
Holy shit.

>>1492574

i thought the protoman fights were annoying and stupid, his pattern is erratic and random and it's the same shit every time

>>1492532
>Any Megaman released after it is better.
Proof needed please.

>So? I beat some cheap bosses in my firsty try too, but this doesn't change the fact that they are cheap.
If someone beats it on a first try, it can question the cheapness of it.

>And if you are too close to the right of the screen... you know what will happen.
Nope, not for me. The 'shock' value of when the dragon appeared caused me to pause for a slight moment.

>It's more a matter of memorization than skill. I don't find this rewarding.
I do find it rewarding. So do other fans.

>this is why Megaman fans can't be trusted.
Just because your taste does not match theirs, means nothing.

>Why is it ok when Mega Man 2 is cheap but not ok when Mega Man 3 is supposedly cheap?
Because that's my taste.

>Why do I think Mega Man 3's difficulty is more annoying.
It annoys me because of the difficulty's design. I didn't like revisiting the MM2 bosses in Wily's fortress and having to guess their weapon weaknesses. I beat them, sure, but it just annoyed me for some reason.
And yes, it annoyed me. So if you claim it didn't annoy me, you are wrong. How am I wrong when I a stating an opinion? If it annoyed me, then it annoyed me. End of discussion.

>You refuse to prove your claim
My claims are opinions only. I never claimed I could prove my opinions to be right, because it's just my taste in games. Mega Man 3's challenge annoyed me, while Mega Man 2's challenge I found to be more rewarding.

>If you refuse to give any examples then you're just shitposting.
Someone also said I sucked at Mega Man 3 and that I needed to get good. Where are their facts to support such bold statements?
I only give my opinions. I gave examples why I have such opinions. If you still don't agree with them, then that's YOUR opinion.
But to make a bold statement such as I suck or need to get good, perhaps you are the one who needs proof of such claims. Because you are wrong to say that.

>>1492606
>erratic and random
>same shit every time
which is it

Sorry guys, best Mega Man coming through.

Megaman 2 is the best because the first one suck and the others have the stupid slide.
If i want to roll all over the place i play the X series, holy fuck

>>1492619
He meant that the AI during the fight is random, and every fight is that same random AI.

>>1492651
>All these people thinking the slide is what made future Mega Man games suck

Personally my favorite was MM3. It introduced Rush and the Slide and the game was just buttery smooth from start to finish, both in control and design. Also some of the best music in the series (Snake Man stage hell yeah!)
Worst in my book is 4. Many of the levels just... aren't fun. Music-wise, I think Dive Man stage was the only song I liked, and this is the point where Mega Man just started introducing stupid unnecessary crap such as Flip-Top or that... wire ability. What I'm saying is MM3 had just the right amount of bells & whistles, and 4 is when the series started getting strained under the weight of such whistles.

>>1492615
>If someone beats it on a first try, it can question the cheapness of it.
Why?
>>Why is it ok when Mega Man 2 is cheap but not ok when Mega Man 3 is supposedly cheap?
>Because that's my taste.
You seem to think that "it's my opinion!" is a trump card that should be used to end all discussion. Why avoid analyzing your positions? Are you afraid you're biased? Are you afraid you're wrong?
>It annoys me because of the difficulty's design. I didn't like revisiting the MM2 bosses in Wily's fortress and having to guess their weapon weaknesses. I beat them, sure, but it just annoyed me for some reason.
>And yes, it annoyed me. So if you claim it didn't annoy me, you are wrong. How am I wrong when I a stating an opinion? If it annoyed me, then it annoyed me. End of discussion.
Ok, so your arguments are "You have to guess weapon weaknesses!" and "It's annoying because it's annoying!" The first is true of any Mega Man game(including Mega Man 2)(and you can look them up online nowadays anyway)(and that makes it difficult, not cheap) and the second is just tautological so not an answer to my question. But I wonder -- did it annoy you on subsequent playthroughs, or just the first?
>My claims are opinions only.
When you say that Mega Man 3 is cheap, that isn't an opinion. Do you not understand why?
>Someone also said I sucked at Mega Man 3 and that I needed to get good. Where are their facts to support such bold statements?
You seem to be more interested in "winning" and making your opponent look bad than reasonably supporting your arguments. Look at your posts. They are drivel.
>I only give my opinions. I gave examples why I have such opinions.
Please refresh my memory. What were the many necessary examples you gave that support your "opinion" that Mega Man 3 is not just cheap, but cheapest?
>But to make a bold statement such as I suck or need to get good, perhaps you are the one who needs proof of such claims. Because you are wrong to say that.
Get over yourself.

>>1492663
but it's not. proto man just bounces back and forth in the same pattern every time

>>1492731
>If someone beats it on a first try, it can question the cheapness of it.
Why?
Well, I beat the Mecha Dragon on the first try, so I certainly didn't find him cheap. And I still don't.

>so your arguments are "You have to guess weapon weaknesses!" and "It's annoying because it's annoying!"
Not really. My argument is more "I find it annoying." I never said it was annoying for everyone. Again, if I find something to be annoying, how can that be argued? If you don't find it annoying, then good for you. I could never argue that you don't find it annoying, because only you would know.

>did it annoy you on subsequent playthroughs, or just the first?
The first. And then the second time also, because I couldn't remember their weaknesses. I have them down now, though.

>When you say that Mega Man 3 is cheap, that isn't an opinion
Yes, that is my opinion. Except I said I found Mega Man 2's difficulty to be less cheap and more rewarding.

>What were the many necessary examples you gave that support your opinion?
I didn't give "many" examples, I only gave the ones that annoyed me the most. I didn't like guessing the weapon weaknesses for the MM2 boss revisits. Did we not just discuss this? Did you forget?

>Get over yourself.
No, fuck you. You're the one who came on here and said I sucked at Mega Man 3, just because I found parts of the game to be annoying. I have my opinions about the game, just like everyone else does. I already stated why I have such opinions. If you don't agree with them, I can expect that. But if you say me disliking something about a game only means I suck at it, then you are arrogant.

>MM2
>good

>>1492731
>If someone beats it on a first try, it can question the cheapness of it.
Why?
Well, I beat the Mecha Dragon on the first try, so I certainly didn't find him cheap. And I still don't.

>so your arguments are "You have to guess weapon weaknesses!" and "It's annoying because it's annoying!"
Not really. My argument is more "I find it annoying." I never said it was annoying for everyone. Again, if I find something to be annoying, how can that be argued? If you don't find it annoying, then good for you. I could never argue that you don't find it annoying, because only you would know.

>did it annoy you on subsequent playthroughs, or just the first?
The first. And then the second time also, because I couldn't remember their weaknesses. I have them down now, though.

>When you say that Mega Man 3 is cheap, that isn't an opinion
Yes, that is my opinion. Except I said I found Mega Man 2's difficulty to be less cheap and more rewarding.

>What were the many necessary examples you gave that support your opinion?
I didn't give "many" examples, I only gave the ones that annoyed me the most. I didn't like guessing the weapon weaknesses for the MM2 boss revisits. Did we not just discuss this? Did you forget?

>Get over yourself.
You're the one who came on here and said I sucked at Mega Man 3, just because I found parts of the game to be annoying. I have my opinions about the game, just like everyone else does. I already stated why I have such opinions. If you don't agree with them, I can expect that. But if you say me disliking something about a game only means I suck at it, then you are arrogant.

>>1492754
>you
>in charge of being good at mm2

>>1492731

the shoe-horned protoman fights are pointless and the abilities suck

Why is your favorite game not Mega Man 4?

>Best, most balanced weapons in the entire series, all of which are useful especially in the castle stages
>Most bosses are challenging despite having a clear pattern
>Fun stage gimmicks that don't rely on memorization but rather skill
>Lots of enemies instead of just copying and pasting Joes everywhere
>That final boss

>>1492768
I am great at it. In fact i could probably beat you at a race at it. That does not make it any less of a badly designed game.

>>1492771

i like mega man 7 simply because the graphics aren't glitchy and flickering 90% of the time

plus the boss patterns are more refined and less apeish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsSecNngQD4

>>1492754
That's my favorite part of Mega Man 2. Dodging those lasers makes me feel empowered.

>>1492753
>>1492764
>Well, I beat the Mecha Dragon on the first try, so I certainly didn't find him cheap. And I still don't.
Your opinion is irrelevant. You focus on this point to the exclusion of others. You got lucky.
>Not really. My argument is more "I find it annoying." I never said it was annoying for everyone. Again, if I find something to be annoying, how can that be argued? If you don't find it annoying, then good for you. I could never argue that you don't find it annoying, because only you would know.
The question was "Why do you think Mega Man 3 is more annoying?" Do you not see how "I find it annoying." doesn't answer that question?
>Yes, that is my opinion.
You're baka. Read a book.
>I didn't give "many" examples, I only gave the ones that annoyed me the most. I didn't like guessing the weapon weaknesses for the MM2 boss revisits. Did we not just discuss this? Did you forget?
Ok, so you provided one inane example that it wasn't even clear what you were trying to say. Gee, you really proved your point. Everyone can totally see where you're coming from. No, they can see that you are flailing around and that you can barely fucking talk.
>You're the one who came on here and said I sucked at Mega Man 3, just because I found parts of the game to be annoying. I have my opinions about the game, just like everyone else does. I already stated why I have such opinions. If you don't agree with them, I can expect that. But if you say me disliking something about a game only means I suck at it, then you are arrogant.
You're really this butthurt because you think that someone has insulted your "gamer cred?"

>>1492774
Not even that other anon, but maybe you should work on your skill in the Facts and Opinions game

>>1492804

he's just bored / depressed and trolling (like all trolls)

you can tell because he goes out of his way to make posts personal instead of making any kind of factual argument with substance

though he did start with some ridiculous straw man lol

>>1492798
>Your opinion is irrelevant. You focus on this point to the exclusion of others. You got lucky.
I must get lucky all the time, then.

>The question was "Why do you think Mega Man 3 is more annoying?"
I already answered and gave an example.

>Ok, so you provided one inane example that it wasn't even clear what you were trying to say.
What was not clear about it? I said MM2 boss revisits annoyed me. What don't you understand about this?

>You're really this butthurt because you think that someone has insulted your "gamer cred?"
I'm not butt-hurt. I'm merely answering all your questions. Isn't this what you wanted? And just because I corrected you when you said I suck at a game that I'm actually good at does not mean I'm butt-hurt.

Question: Why does it mean so much to you prove my opinions as false? That's impossible to do. My opinion was I find something annoying in a game. What are you trying to prove? That it does not annoy me? How would you know what annoys me? And what I find rewarding in a game?

>>1492823
fucking shit son, im not the guy youre arguing woth but your arguments fuckig suck. Spouting how you feel about something doesnt qualify as arguing. You say that the boss revisits in mm2 are 'annoying because they are'. you cant back up an opinion like that, a normal person will think youre a moron. if you say something like 'i think the idea of a boss rush is inane and adds unneccessary length forcing me to repeat a task i have already completed, and i do not think this is fun', youd look less like a troll. Im not saying this is the reason you dont like it, but youre arguing in circles here.

>>1492934
I think you may indeed be the guy I am arguing with. No offense, but your grammar is sloppy. It looks to me like you're just trying to disguise your writing style. Of course, I could be wrong, so I'm not saying for sure.

I feel I have been trolled here. I don't wish to argue my opinions, but I was heckled about them. I gave examples of why I have such opinions as well. Anon made the mistake of saying my opinions are invalid because I have no proof to support them, when in reality, opinions do not always mean facts. However, here are some facts: (1.) I'm good at Mega Man 3 when anon said I was not. (2.) Many gamers think Mega Man 2 is the best in the series. (3.) The lasers in Quick Man's stage are legendary.

I like the design of Mega Man 2 better than 3. Shit. Get over it. And learn to respect other's opinions, even if they do not match your own.

>>1493045
I am a different guy; who the fuck would go out of their way to disguise their writing style on god-damned 4chan? I just typed that all out on my phone during a bumpy train ride. It's honestly not worth the trouble to correct it all.

I never disrespected your opinions. Please, cite where I said your opinion was stupid. I said your arguing was, and I indeed called you a moron, but I never said you had bad opinions. I'm just saying that the other anon was looking for reasons WHY you held the opinions you did, and you constantly responded with 'I just have these opinions because I do, get over it'. I don't really think you actually read my post, because I gave an explicit example as to why you spouting your opinions was not what the other guy was looking for. and as your your numbered points here:
1) honestly no one cares whos 'better'. we're not fucking 12 here, as far as I know
2) you can not prove that by any sort of definitive margin. Many people like Mega Man 2, but who's to say Mega Man 6 isn't held in high regard in some large community you just don't know about? You can't definitively say that.
3) I agree

Again, I never disrespected your opinions. Just trying to get you to see why the other anon was heckling you about it.

>>1493228
>that the other anon was looking for reasons WHY you held the opinions you did
And I gave them to him. I told him I found the MM2 boss revisits in MM3 to be annoying. For whatever the reason, I didn't like them, and having to figure out which weapon worked for them. What more am I supposed to say about this? I found this annoying when I first played through. How do I prove this annoyed me?

>Many people like Mega Man 2, but who's to say Mega Man 6 isn't held in high regard in some large community you just don't know about? You can't definitively say that.
I agree. Mega Man 6 is also a popular game. And so is Mega Man 2. MM2 is widely popular among fans online.

>who the fuck would go out of their way to disguise their writing style on god-damned 4chan?
Someone who cannot win a petty argument, so they resort to trying to be someone else to justify their differing opinions, instead of just accepting the other person's opinions.

You say I give an opinion without stating WHY I hold such an opinion. Not true. I already gave anon reasons why. Like, I said I thought the lasers in Quick Man's stage were rewarding, I didn't like the MM2 boss revisits in MM3, I don't find the Mecha Dragon to be cheap, etc.
If you want to join the argument, at least read all of it.

>>1491450
I think people should just shut the hell up and agree that Mega Man was a solid series with a lot of great games.

I don't know what my favorite is. I played through all of them for the first time recently and it was a great experience from 1-6.

The games are similar enough to the point where trying to argue which is best is just nitpicky nonsense.

Am I the only one who thinks that 3 always felt like the game was never finished?

Like it needed another level of polish.

>>1494057
Yes. Yes you are

>>1494057
How much polish does it need? This was before the next three NES games started making you go through two fortresses. I could have done with the Doc Stages, myself

>>1491450
Odd way to start a Mega Man 3 thread but ok-
>Best NES game
Oh now we're talking about Ninja Gaiden? Well, ok anon.

>>1494057
The game was rushed.

Also no, Mega Man 2 would've been the best if it weren't for that fucking 4th wily stage

>>1494145
>The game was rushed.

Prove it.

>>1494250
>The team was forced to put Mega Man 3 on the market before they thought it was ready. Inafune concluded, "I knew that if we had more time to polish it, we could do a lot of things better, make it a better game, but the company said that we needed to release it."

holy shit just do research on your own

>>1494057
I don't feel it's incomplete, but I would agree it's one of the weaker games in the series.

>>1494291
>no source

Damn son way to make yourself look like a retard.

>>1491450
Yeah, I think Mega Man 2 was the best of the NES bunch. I would rank them like this:

1.) Mega Man 2
2.) Mega Man 4
3.) Mega Man
4.) Mega Man 5
5.) Mega Man 3
6.) Mega Man 6

>>1494057
Am I the only one with an mp3 of the opening theme to MMIII and find it to be the most bad-motha song ever?

>>1494371
What makes you like 5 more than 3?

>>1494075
>A game that makes you do three stages in a row everytime you die to any of the last four bosses
>Best NES game

MM3 > *

>>1495016
I've always loved it, it has such a sleazy detective mystery blues riff sound to it.

Can we just compare the Megas versions of the soundtracks? Because even if History Repeating isn't finished yet, it blows Get Equipped out of the water.

Best NES Megaman had worst GB Megaman

>>1494354
>I can't into google
Kill yourself.

>Development on Mega Man 3 began at Capcom over a year after the release of Mega Man 2. The lead supervisor for the first two games quit his job at the company during that gap of time.[3] Artist Keiji Inafune, credited as "Inafking", considered Mega Man 3 as one of his least favorite entries in the series due to "[...] what went into the game and what was behind the release of the game."[21][23] He had "preset notions" about successful development because of the team's good experience with Mega Man 2 and found that his new superior "didn't really understand Mega Man the way his predecessor did".[3] During the game's production, the developers lost the main planner, so Inafune had to take over that job for its completion.[23] Inafune recalled the final two months of development as particularly turbulent, when he had to take responsibility for assessing and dividing up tasks among the team members who were not meeting deadlines.[3][24] The team was forced to put Mega Man 3 on the market before they thought it was ready. Inafune concluded, "I knew that if we had more time to polish it, we could do a lot of things better, make it a better game, but the company said that we needed to release it. The whole environment behind what went into the production of the game is what I least favored. Numbers one and two – I really wanted to make the games; I was so excited about them. Number three – it just turned very different."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Man_3#Development

Mega Man 3 is a very obviously unfinished game, there are many things that point at it being that way.

>>1492137
>>inferior bosses due to having more than 1 weakness
Bitch, having the bosses only having one qeakness and being so fucking resistent to normal shoots and even charges shots (megaman 7) and having blinking times is what ruined the boss battles after part 3

>music generally not as good
shouldnt be the other way around, MM3 was made with the help of the MMC3 chip which allowed for more nicer sound instrumentation than the at times harsher instrumentation of MM2.

i mean Cmon, you are gonna say Wily's castle 2 of MM2 sounded better than MM3's wily's castle 2?

>>1492775
are you on fucking drugs

MM7 was the worst by far

>fucked up sprites porportions toward splattaforms
>enemies only having one weakness
>Charged shot being useless except for Wily 4 1st Boss
>Bosses having longer blinkin time
>questionable sound design
>undertought or underdeveloped ideas and gimmicks
>that Wily finial Boss
>The Ending..............Megaman of Attempted Murder

>>1499303
7 has the best robot master fights in the classic series prior to 10. It's not even close. Early robot masters barely even feel like bosses because they die in ten seconds with just the buster.

Also, the three damage charge shot was extremely overcentralizing. Nerfing it to two was a much better way to make special weapons viable than, say, the MM6 approach.
>Tomahawk: charge shot that goes up
>Flame: charge shot that goes down
>Knight: charge shot boomerang
>Centaur: charge shot that hits everything presently on the screen

>>1499303
is pure BAIT

>>1499660
I agree there. MM6 has forgettable music, save for the intro, Mr. X stages, a couple of the robot master stages, and the start screen. Also, some of the powerups could have been better.

>>1499701
BUMP BUMP

>>1500672
BUMPING AGAIN!!

>>1499660
Hell no it didn't, all you have to do is pattern them to death or use their weakness. If you want a good example of robot master fights look at Rockman 4 Minus Infinity.

>>1500792
/vr/ is a pretty slow board. If you're going to bump something, wait at least a day so it actually gets somewhere close to the back end.

You niggas must be crazy. Mega Man 9 is obviously the best Mega Man game.

>>1500801
>4MI
This is a pointless comparison. 4MI is better than every official Mega Man in every possible aspect. My point is that 7 has relatively good boss fights in the scope of officially released games and that you need to git gud.

>>1492651
>the first one suck
While not the best in the series, saying it sucks is a bit harsh

>>1492771
>Why is your favorite game not Mega Man 4?

It lacks the metal blade

>>1495016
While great, I don't think it can beat the opening of MM2

>>1500823
Megaman 9 showed much promise and it did deliver. But Capcom was retarded for removing BOTH MEGAMAN'S CHARGE SHOT AND HIS SLIDE!!! WTF Capcom!? Why take away his slide and megabuster, and not even try to explain why he can't do it anymore!!? ARRRRRGH!!!

>>1500847
They wanted to make it as simple as MM2. If you like slide and charge shot, you can just play as Proto Man.

Also, MM10 has the best boss theme of all the games: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwITn_dzgNA

>>1500823
Mega Man 2 is my favorite, but I SO want to play Mega Man 9. It looks awesome.

>>1500858
You should buy it. If MM2 is your favourite, then MM9 will be right in your alley.

>>1500824
It's pretty sad when a single ROM hacker can put together something better than an official game. But if you insist, I can say good things about the MM7 bosses, like their introductions, or different reaction to some weapons. But as bosses, I think of stuff like Air Man or Shadow Man. MM7 also had Freeze Man I suppose.

>>1500856
Mega Man 3 has the best boss theme. 10's kind of sucks. It's too slow. The only good part is at 0:33.

>>1500912
Well, MM10's boss theme is perhaps your typical boss theme, but it still a great song I think.

4 was probably my favorite.

>>1492307
>Maybe on the Genesis port, but on the NES? Not really. Not in any way that it's common or detracts from the game at all
Come on, the slowdown in 3 was ridiculous.

why is mega man 1 gotta be so inflated in $ doe...

>>1500994
Wily wars Version of megaman 3 did not have slow down in the Japanese megadrive release.

>>1501008
>This thread is so silent
Where did everybody go now???

I thought this was the best Megaman myself

>>1501305
Better than even DR Wily's Revenge!

>>1501390
BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP

>>1500828
>Uses Metal Man's weapon against himself
>In his own stage

ba ninu nee ba ninu na ne bana neet neet nenu na ne

I don't want to intrude, but I think this question is relevant and likely doesn't warrant it's own thread.

Basically, I want to get into the main series of Megaman games. I've played Legends, Battle Network, Zero, Extreme, Starforce, Megaman and Bass, pretty much every side series/game other than X and straight up vanilla Megaman.

Should I play them in order, 1 to 10, or are some skip worthy, or are some more open to beginners than others?

Also, I have pic related, but haven't gotten around to using it yet. Would that be an adequate way of playing the game? Or should I try to track down the NES carts and an NES? Are the Japanese versions any different or superior? Also, what about The Wily Wars? Is that a good way to play the first 3? I'm interested in the Wily Wars because I have a Genesis, but not an NES.

>>1501983
Oh, sorry. Didn't mean to trip fag. I typed in the captcha in the name section on accident, sorry.

>>1501983
First of all, don't play pic related. They switched the controls around and you can't change it, and it's annoying as fuck to play that way. I couldn't believe how they fucked up with that one.

Also, don't skip on any of the games. Despite what some will tell you, there are no bad Classic Mega Man games. I would personally play them in order.

>>1501983
Just do them in order. Nothing in the classic series is harder than the Zero games,so there shouldn't be any problems.

Anniversary Collection is fine as long as it's the PS2 version. The Gamecube version is bugged in that the jump button makes you fire instead of jumping and vice-versa. There are no significant differences between the Japanese and American versions, and Wily Wars is a sluggish, ugly mess that's only good for its unlockable Wily Tower stages.

>>1501992
>>1501995
Thank you, guys. Just beat Cutman, and I'm liking the game already. I picked his stage because I remember him being a push over in the cartoon. Turns out he's a fucking jumpy bastard, so it took a couple tries till I actual got his patterns down.

3>2=9>1>4>6>10>8>5>7

>people hate the sliding mechanic
Why?

I can understand not liking the buster charge because that trivialized a lot of the weapons, but why the slide?

>>1502059
cutman is a pushover compared to everybody not named bomb man, prepare srn-007

>>1502091
>but why the slide?
Took away the simplicity I suppose.

>>1502091
I don't get it, either. It's useful but not overpowered and sliding under things feels great. Also, the titular upgrade in Rockman 5: Air Sliding is fucking delicious.

>>1502091
I like the slide. :|

>>1502091
What does it add?

>>1502087
1 is unusually high.

>>1502113
A way to dodge things that feels a lot cooler than just jumping and walking like an old-style Belmont.

>>1502754
THIS. FUCKING THIS!

>>1491915
Inafune (the creator of Megaman) said it himself that his least favorite of all the NES games was 3 because they were rushed and the game that we got was not finished.

He pointed out how (outside of Rockman 1), 3 is the only Megaman NES game without a cinematic intro to set the story, the ending thus the whole Breakman/Blues thing ended up confusing people (Japan AND stateside)

and story/level elements were also never programmed (but found in the game inside)
Like when you find Protoman/Blues in the Gemini Man stage, he is suppose then TURN into Breakman (the animation sprites are in the rom) but the programming was never put in, thus it never happened. And every Protoman encounter after that would be him as Breakman. It was a story element that also bothered Inafune about 3.

People love 3, but they don't know about how much was missing from the final product

>>1503154
This

Also the Player 2 Super Jump/never die trick was a Beta Testing aspect that was never programmed out of the final game due to rushing the release.

>>1503156
Capcom needs to do a proper remake of 3!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpP_BKPa5Oc

>>1502754
So nothing of any actual consequence?

>>1503558
I dunno, I'd say the game suffered pretty badly from being rushed:

>OP Rush Jet
>Schizophrenic stage length (Seriously, compare Needle Man to Gemini Man)
>Short and easy Wily stages
>Break in the boss order
>Doc Robot filler
>Pointless Break Man battle
>Sprite flicker and slowdown everywhere

It's still a great game, but I have no idea why so many call it the best of the NES Megamans.

>>1503558
? The slide is extremely useful(not to mention fun!)

>>1503154
>>1503156

I was the one who felt mm3 unfinished.

I'm glad my instincts were right about this one. There was always something about it that felt off. Just as you got the last part... Wily Ran off with Gamma?! wtf does that even mean. (if you read the manual you might find out)

I also never knew that protoman was supposed to turn into breakman. Neat, that makes sense. He was robo-hypnotized by wily.

>>1502113
>>1503558
It makes you move faster. You can't avoid some attacks unless you use it. Protoman's hopping, Hardman, the big stomping things.

I was playing it just last night and the slide is very useful.

>>1503581
>it's fun!
You're out of arguments.

>>1503584
>You can't avoid some attacks that they designed to only be dodged with this otherwise useless new move
you mean.

You were perfectly able to avoid boss' hopping patterns, and run under huge stomping things in Mega Man 2.

The criticism here is that the slide added nothing of actual gameplay-related consequence. Adding elements that force you to use it doesn't make adding a slide consequential, it just smacks of making the game more obtuse for no real reason.

Does anyone actually have a reason why Mega Man *NEEDS* a slide considering he doesn't have it in what are usually considered the best Mega Man games (2, X1)?

>>1503676
Go back to playing mm1 if you hate the slide so much

>>1503676
>You're out of arguments.
Seriously? I said two things, and you're acting like I said one.

>>1503682
Yeah, ok, hot opinions, etc.

>>1503696
You didn't qualify your other statement with any examples of how it's useful, so I didn't choose to address it.

>>1503676
>Does anyone actually have a reason why Mega Man *NEEDS* a slide considering he doesn't have it in what are usually considered the best Mega Man games (2, X1)?
>X1

You do realize that dashing is basically an improved slide, right?

>>1503736
No, dashing is dashing. It makes you go faster, but it doesn't make you go as low as a slide.

>>1503708
That's not really an explanation, but do you realize how annoying(not to mention impossible)it would be to talk to people if we were required to prove every single detail? Even when it's obvious? Just watch people play the game, man! Or, alternatively, play it yourself! They will, and you will use the slide! Why? Because it's useful you fiend! It's useful for going fast, going in tight places, going under projectiles, and people obviously enjoy using it! What are you, the Grinch? Fun is no longer a positive aspect in games? Some people are going to apply strange abstract logic to it, sure, and end up disliking it(or perhaps other reasons. you appear to have no good ones.), but how can you say you value empiricism when there's nothing empirical about any of your arguments?

>>1503759
Fun is just a buzzword. /v/ agreed, don't bother them about it.

>>1503676
>it just smacks of making the game more obtuse for no real reason.
It's basically a run and a duck combined into one move, both are common and accepted moves in platformers.
>Does anyone actually have a reason why Mega Man *NEEDS* a slide considering he doesn't have it in what are usually considered the best Mega Man games (2, X1)?
Need it for what? Need it in order to be a fun game? No, but what relevance does that have? Are you saying that all artists should think like that? Because you will find a lot of people who will disagree with you.

>>1503736
The slide isn't a dash. Not at all.

Slide: No forward momentum, can't attack while doing it.

Dash: Retains forward momentum (combine it with a jump, for example), you can attack during a dash (and it does double damage). In some installments you can dash in the air, or even dash vertically.

>>1503759
My argument is that it added nothing of value to the game. Your counter to this is that you think it's useful (which you didn't qualify until this post) and that it's fun (which is subjective).

To address your points in order:

>useful to go fast
Through all the empty corridors in 3? Sure. But why were the corridors so long and empty in the first place?

>going in tight places
Fair enough, I guess. It seems lazy to shoehorn routes this way, though. In 2, there were a few places (Flashman's stage, for example) where there were alternate routes to travel which were harder to get to, but often had rewards. If you fucked up and fell off the platform, you're now stuck on the other path because you weren't skilled. In 3, they introduced these little 'holes' you can slide through, but a good deal of the time, you can slide back and pick the other route.

>going under projectiles
This is hardly ever the case. Almost anything that you can slide under can be jumped over. And since you can attack before and during your attack, if you can jump over a projectile, that's probably the smarter option.

Can you, and the other guy, just admit that people can bag on the slide because we hold that it adds nothing to the gameplay? I'm not saying you can't enjoy it - but we're not talking about enjoyment, we're talking about function.

Slide is fucking awesome and MM needed a crouch mechanic

>>1503824
Then why not just add a crouch? That'd be much more useful - Mega Man's greatest ally is having range from enemies; the closer he is to them, the more danger he's in.

>>1503857
Thank you for providing info that undermines your argument. Please continue to do so.

>>1503910
MMX5 and X6 had a crouch. If only The Zero series allowed you to crouch...

What's the best Megaman game, and why is it pic related, /vr/?

>>1504080
WANT

Mega Man 2 is my favorite NES game. I rented it once and loved it and was so excited to get it in my Christmas stocking one year. I've played some of the other Mega Man games but I love Mega Man 2 the best. I know that sounds like nostalgia talking, and I don't care if it is.

I also liked Mega Man x. I remember buying it used at Game Gallery and they gave it to me in the Mega Man X2 box. I didn't notice until I got home. I wish I still had it even though I no longer have an SNES.

I'd like to play the other games in the series more.

>>1504080
It sure as hell isn't that piece of garbage.

That explains the odd machine that Protoman was standing on in Gemini Man's stage and the odd break in the Robot Master order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVYCi8tkhdY

I love Mega Man 3, but the more you dig, the more holes you find

>>1505618
>MegamanX4
>garbage
>>>/out/ NOW!!

>>1505852
X4 is one of the cancers that ruined the whole franchise.

>>1506080
Which version did you play, if at all??

>>1506080
I bet you also hate Resident Evil 4 in spite of it being a fantastic game, fag.

>>1506080
>X4 is one of the cancers that ruined the whole franchise.

How can X, X2 and X3 be ruined just because X4 is (in your opinion) a bad game?

>>1506376
BUMP

let me put things in perspective, negative like...
Megaman 2:
>one of Airman's air shooter has an undodgeble pattern, but he can easily be killed by bum rushing.
> Quickman lasers for first timers is bullshit, as is the crash bomb boss, dragon is not.
> Heat man puzzle requires patience and really only memorization for the straight up jumps.
> the stairs part in crash man's stage without metal blade.

Megaman:
> Doc robot stages are boring retreads.
> Doc Robot Quickman is next to impossible buster only.
> Wily stages feel empty.
> Breakman fight is pointless
> Hardman is an annoying boss fight (although not difficult)
> Wily fortress themes are awful

>>1492152
yeah, i gotta say, the only song I really liked in MM3 was the stage select music and the "get equipped" song. that's IT.

and Mega Man 3 was easy as fuck . I beat all 6 of them in a row and 3 was definitely one of the more easier ones.

>>1492785
same. I LOVE quickmans stage. dodging shit in a seconds notice. so much fun! I actually wish there was more of this in the game.

>>1494057
If you love Polish so much play GTA4

>>1491450
>Best NES game, too?

Wrong, OP. More like best game ever.

>>1491463
it has poor sound quality compared to MM3-6...

If MM2 never had ezmode it would have died off. Luckily it made every 6yr old feel like a champ as did I (I was 11 when I finally got my hands on it in the late 90s).

I still like the graphics, music, and enemies/bosses of the latter MM's. at least none of them had a boss made out of wood...AMIRIRITEGUIZ?!

>>1507601
>If MM2 never had ezmode it would have died off
it was wildly popular in japan where it didn't

also, you're retarded

>>1507476
>and Mega Man 3 was easy as fuck
I find the Wily stages very hard. You have to beat two MM2 bosses and then another one at the end of the level.

>>1507661
you might want to play mega man 3 before you try to discuss it

>>1492546

MM9 is the best mega man. period.

and for me, it's also the best 2d action platformer evermade

>>1507860
BUMPING NOW

>>1491450
I completely missed out on megaman growing up, the first one I played was a few years ago, mm Xtreme 2 for gameboy, it was okay.

Some friends recently convinced me to play through mm3 and I did, it was okay. Didn't really set my tits ablaze

X4 > 8 > X5 > Rest

There is no other correct order.

>>1508636
I know X4 is that good, but is 8 that good? Serious question.

and I know X5 isn't that good

>>1508675
I felt that the Famicom-styled "demake" of MM8 on the PC was better than the PS1 version, personally. Really wish it had the intro stage, though.

>>1508675
X5's soundtrack was great, which is mainly why I liked it.
8 was pretty good, but a bit more cartoony. Like with clown man and stuff.

>>1508636
Holy shit is it opposite day? This is the worst ranking I have ever seen.

>>1508712
BUMPING NOW!!!

>>1509952
BUMPING BUMP

I liked Mega Man 3 more.
That games bullshit parts were a lot less annoying that 2's bullshit parts.

tfw the only great megaman games are 1-3, x1, x4, mmz1-4, and both legends games

>>1511291
>implying MM9 and MM10 aren't great games

>>1507601
>>1507617
elaborate on ez mode?

>>1511291
X2 is better than X3 though.

It's pretty overrated. I think Mega Man 3 and 4 were better games. Especially 3, loved the soundtrack of that game.

Wily Fortress 1 and Top man's theme come to mind.

>>1511661
X2 is better than X1 I mean.

>>1511645
As you probably know, European/North American MM2 had two modes: Normal mode and Hard mode. However, what was Hard mode in the west, was Normal mode in Japan, making EU/NA's Normal mode de facto Easy mode.

That's why MM2 is the easiest Mega Man game of them all.

>>1511370
>rehashes
>good

>>1511671
the level design was worse

>>1511693
Giving the bosses less health and making the stack enemies die in one shot doesn't make the game FOR TEH BABBIES, it just makes it less aggravating to play.

Final Fantasy 2/4 was the other way around, and nobody cried.

>>1511909
>Level design was worse

>>1511693
The Japanese version doesn't even have alternate difficulties, is that still harder than Normal on the USA release?

>>1512531
he just fucking said it was, did you not read?

>>1511951
>Giving the bosses less health and making the stack enemies die in one shot doesn't make the game FOR TEH BABBIES, it just makes it less aggravating to play.

I'm not saying it is for babies, but it is by far the easiest Megaman game there is. That doesn't make it a bad game at all, but for some people the challenge is where they derive the fun from.

>>1512606
Evidently not, sorry for wasting your time.

http://youtu.be/MUHlVdqRlPA?t=26m4s

Mega Man 2 was one of the first games I played on NES.

I loved the boxart, I always imagined that it was how they wanted to portray Mega Man, and felt betrayed when I bought MM3.

>>1513336
>Dat European Box art

>>1515523
Wait, is the North American different?

>>1515816
Look at OP's pic.

>>1515823
Oh, that's quite different indeed.