/vr/ - Retro Games

Well there was SimFarm but that was much "drier", being focused entirely on the actual workings of a mechanized farm.

idkylol but I agree. SNES and GB/GBC HM games are my favourites. I don't think the series transitioned well to 5th gen and beyond.

My relationship with Harvest Moon is odd. It's one of my favorite franchises, but I always get bored and never end any of them.

I don't think there are many (or any) games like it at all. Mostly on SIM games there is an enemy, be it a time limit, an enemy farm, and so on. What I like the most about the harvest moon series is the fact that there is no enemy.

Harvest Moon is not a simulation. A better description of it is a community life RPG.

>>1503129
>Harvest Moon is not a simulation
"Farming simulator" is written on the back of my SNES box for the game, dude.

I've tried getting into the SNES game before and the lack of tools to make harvesting faster just really makes it difficult for me to get into. I never realized just how much of an improvement the sequel was.

>>1503130
>I never realized just how much of an improvement the sequel was.
Which sequel? You mean the Game Boy version?

>>1503135
Harvest Moon 64 is Harvest Moon 2.

>>1503131
And Nintendo things Smash Bros. isn't a fighting game yadda yadda. HM is nothing like real sims like Maxis' and Microprose's games.

I know what you mean, OP.

>tfw kids don't want to grind anymore

>>1503151
please, I'm 31 and I hate grinding

>>1503157
*pats head*

>>1503018
hint: using the mountain hot springs you can clear the entire farm in one night as if you don't go to sleep the night doesn't end. Awful to actually try and do tho.

Can also be used to grind affection with bar wench. (Church girl ftw tho).

>>1503165
hey, if you like pointless busywork I guess that's your prerogative

got too tedious after 6 cows. at that point profit from crops is useless, only good for happiness points.

every morning spending 5 mins milking petting and talking to cows. then run through the fields with golden sprinkler. then go talk to girl and maybe give her a present.

i truly loved the game though. that music. that atmosphere

>>1503176
This. Game is flawed in areas, but it's still a unique and charming game. Would love to play an enhanced/improved version of the game.

>>1503171
yep, another one who thinks every action must be creatively significant

>>1503181
I'm sorry that as I matured I came to expect more from my entertainment than watching a number go up

>>1503182
>gamer
>matured

stop now

>>1503018
Eeugh.
Why play the most boring entry in the series?

>>1503194
Which entries are better?

>>1503131
Marketing.
It's nowhere near a simulation.

>>1503169
Why would you even want to clear the field in one night? It's not like you're going to plant the whole field the next day. You're just burning yourself out for nothing.
You've got more farmland in the first game than you ever even need anyhow. You don't ever have to use all of it.

>>1503196
How is it not a simulation game?

Reminds me of Animal Crossing.

still word of WiiU HM?

>>1503213
I hope!

>>1503204
How is Animal Crossing a sim?

Here's an actual sim.

>>1503213
>still no word

>>1503204
>>1503220
What is the definition of a simulation game?

>>1503228
Something that simulates presumably. Harvest Moon is very unrealistic.

>>1503228
>>1503234
I'm pretty sure the technical genre for Harvest Moon is Simulation/Role-Playing Game, as it features elements of both.

On one hand, you simulate a realistic life of raising animals, growing crops, getting married, etc. On the other hand, the games features spirits and character building like seen in a role-playing game.

Farm Simulator/Role-Playing Game

>>1503204
Neither are simulation games. They're adventure games.

I still remember getting a copy of Nintendo Power and seeing this small ad in the corner showcasing HM SNES. I wanted the game more than any other game before or since.

I waited four months. Four long months for my birthday, occasionally pulling out the Nintendo Power and reading the ad. I kept asking my dad - "did you find it? did you find the game for me?" and he'd get this sad look on his face, like, not yet son. It wasn't being sold anywhere.

But he was determined.

My birthday rolls around, and sure enough, there it is. Harvest Fucking Moon. I played that game constantly, and even my dad made a save file. I still vividly remember him yelling "FUCKING TURNIPS" at end game, and HM is the only game he ever played through entirely to this day.

Years pass. I get HM64, enjoy it fairly well, but I still find the SNES version more enjoyable (despite the flaws).

Recently Harvest Moon came up when I was visiting my dad. I asked him where he managed to find the game. "I went to the (local video store)," he told me, "Tried to buy it off them. They said it was only for rent, that I couldn't buy it. I offered $100. They declined. So I went back in two days later and stole it."

...

Anyways! That's my history with Harvest Moon SNES. I've recently tried to play some of the other ones from that era; Back to Nature I couldn't even get a year in, because the loading was so atrocious.

However I've recently started playing FoMT. I hear it's much like BtN but without the loading screens. However, I also read that the game "ends" when you get married.

Does it focus more on dating than farming? I'm kind of getting that vibe from the two days (in game) that I've played.

Also: Karen, Popourri, or Elli? I can't decide on this shit. (No Ann cause I hate gingers, and no Maria cause I hate nerds.

>>1503239
>you simulate a realistic life of raising animals, growing crops, getting married, etc.
Hardly.

>>1503245
Friends of Mineral Town doesn't end at all, you never even get evaluated. That's why it sucks. Also no /vr/.

>>1503252

>Friends of Mineral Town doesn't end at all, you never even get evaluated.

Fucking dropped.

>>1503254
Exactly my reaction when I found out. It really pissed me off too because the game had some pretty refined mechanics otherwise. Such a waste.

I've played a lot of harvest moon and really enjoyed them. But now I've kind of moved on to Rune Factory. improvements all around + rpg elements.

>>1503220
Animal Crossing can be loosely described as a Life Sim.
I'd classify Harvest Moon titles the same way, actually. With added farming.

>>1503260
Some people don't like their games to end.

>>1503252
Friends of Mineral Town is a remake of HM64/BtN.
Remakes tend to be allowed for /vr/ discussion.

>>1503184
>subscribing to the trope that people who play games are immature somehow

Seriously?

>>1503847
Friends of Mineral Town is most definitely not a remake of 64, and a game can easily keep running after the ending giving the best of both worlds.

Polite sage for non retro.

1) Got to agree Harvest Moon is not a sim but an RPG. Not many people want to pretend to be a real farmer.
2) This is the only game me and my sister enjoy playing. It's only a shame we can't play together in most the games.

>>1503957
But Anon it is

>>1503974
It uses a lot of the same characters, but it's not the same game.

>bitching about genre definitions
>not getting comfy

Do you turnips even Harvest Moon?

>>1503245
>storytime that ends with Father of the Year

Glorious.

I had a similar attachment to the SNES version: obsessing over it when it appeared in a mag, never being able to find a copy. I eventually forgot all about it until I picked up BtN and played the ever-loving fuck out of it, horrendous loading times and all. Had to get me that waifu what done all that book-learnin'.

Not retro, but Animal Parade on the Wii is really good for a 3D Harvest moon if you haven't played it yet. Longer days, fun story that develops faster as you put work into it, bigger area, bigger knapsack, better learning curve; It's not the BEST, but if i were to get a HM virgin to try one for their first time, id probably give them this one, and then MFOMT.

>>1504480
>Not retro, but
But nothing. Get out.

>>1503967
I typically will play the games with my sister. Mainly cracking jokes and taking turns looking up information.

Neither of us really like the newer games much, even if they are more considerate of the female playerbase and thus have more options for them.

>>1503967
>Got to agree Harvest Moon is not a sim but an RPG
Oh, look. It's you, again.

Natsume lists Harvest Moon as a farming simulation game. This is on their website, game boxes and even Wikipedia. Get over it.

>>1503264
I dunno, there's something about RF that just irritates the fuck out of me

>>1504742
>>1503250

Why does it matter what genre it falls under? Do you like it any less if you think it's a simulation instead of a role-playing game, or are you just being a pedantic asshole so you can show off your "cred" as a h4rdc0r3 gam3r? Both genres have such abstract and varied definitions that trying to make a serious argument about HM being one or the other seems totally pointless except as a way to waggle your fedora'd e-peen in our collective faces.

in b4 using wikipedia as a definitive authority. c'mon son.

>>1503228
"Simulation" implies some degree of realism.

Star Fox is not a flight simulator.

>>1504845
yeah man, i agree. i've been skimming over all of this genre talk looking for more interesting conversation

i wish i could get married in animal crossing

>>1504845
I always care about classification. Good classification facilitates better understanding and easier game conversation. Like when someone makes a thread about X genre and asks for more games like it. But it matters to me in particular for Harvest Moon because when Marvelous started adding more and more of these awful sim-like features to the games is when the series itself went sour.

>>1504759
It's the generic art style that irritates me. I mean, the main series Harvest Moon games at least still have a cute and homely style to it even if I do vastly prefer the look in older games. Rune Factory just looks like any other generic anime-inspired JRPG.

>>1504909

I agree with you that genre classification can aid conversation by acting as shorthand for certain attributes of a game, but more often than not it leads to manbaby nerds one-upping each other with their own personal and highly arbitrary definitions. There isn't a single, authoritative definition of any genre, let alone one as nebulous as "sim", and evoking genre to describe a game rather than explaining it on its own terms can quickly become a crutch. Telling me that Harvest Moon is or isn't a sim tells me a lot less about it than if you actually told me what you do in the game; i.e., planting and watering crops in between excursions into the town to woo its womenfolk.

Also, I gotta show FoMT some love. One of the first games I ever had for GBA, and I played the shit out of that thing. My mind was fukken blown when I learned you could marry the Harvest Goddess.

There was a really cool rpgmaker style game that was basically harvest moon 2.0: the RPG. Like the whole game took place in this tiny village, and you had most of the farming and dating mechanics of HM.
If I can find it I'll post it. I lost the bookmark however, and I dont remember the name.

>>1505015
well, shit.
Looks like the last time it was updated was when it was just about to be play tested.
:(

http://waywardprophet.com/wd/index.html

>>1503264
>>1504759
>>1504994
RF annoys me too.

At first I loved it, but I kept finding myself going to HM games anyway.

Probably because the dungeons and RPG stuff just annoys me.

>>1505085
Stardew Valley still looks like it's progressing, though that's more interesting from a gameplay standpoint than story though it has both.

FoMT was always my favourite. Everything was just solid and nailed down compared to the earlier HM games, and it didn't have any annoying bullshit introduced in later HM games.
If I've played the shit out of FoMT, should I give the N64 and PS1 titles another go?

>>1505128
Back to Nature - the PS game - is almost identical to FoMT so don't bother with it unless you want more of the same. Personally it's my favourite though.

The N64 one is sort of like an alternate dimension to FoMT. Mostly the same characters but their relationships are all mixed up and the town is different. I haven't played it myself but people seem to have nothing but praise for it.

Harvest Moon became stagnant right after the first game. Play one HM game and you played them all.

Would you guys recommend Harvest Moon GBC on the eShop for £4.50? I've only got FoMT and am not sure if I should just play that.

>>1505219
Personally, I would not. All you do in that game is farm. The town and woods are missing! Yup, there's no town to explore or forest area. Bummer, huh?

>>1504860
yes, it is.
it simulates flying an arwing.

Harvest Moon is also a sim.
a farming sim
it simulates farming, just not very realistically.

>>1503184

Maybe in your case

>>1503254
>>1503252

It doesn't end, but you can always go for 100% completion.

Which is fucking ridiculous. If I remember right, one of those black pearl things is found in the cabin your wife gives you for your FIFTIETH wedding anniversary!

FIFTY FUCK

>>1503245

If your story is true, I hope you cherish your father. There might be better parents, but there are certainly far worse.

>>1504484

Did you even read the original post?

I swear, this board is full of babies.

I feel that Harvest Moon 3 on gameboy color is one of the more original entries. The N64, PS1 and GBA games are pretty similar.

Didn't the PS1 version have some weird bug that fucked up your game after you married?

>>1505378
Some versions of the game do.
Thankfully I haven't run into it.

i know I.am going to get booed for this, but how is Innocent life?

>>1505723
>>>/v/

>>1505346
FOMT ends after 100 years
FOMT for girls ends after you get pregnant.

>>1505851
No, I'm pretty sure the game does continue after you get pregnant in More Friends of Mineral Town.

You're probably thinking of other games where they end once you get married.