/vr/ - Retro Games

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NEWS
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-If you feel like trying a new mod, give GMOTA a chance! Go check it here! http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=742401#p742401

-The past Awesome Games Done Quick featured a playthrough of Plutonia (Go 2 It included) and also a Doom 2 race which was a result of a bid war between that game and Ultimate Doom. To rewatch the Doom speedruns, go follow this link http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQcxg3SUqlYBoSYrpNJVu58GsoCXMREa1

-Guess who received an update? OBLIGE! Now it's in version number 6, and oh man things surely have improved; go check it here! http://oblige.sourceforge.net/forum/index.php?topic=307.0

-CACOWARDS? SURE, HERE! http://www.doomworld.com/20years.. Feel absolutely free to share your thoughts about the works chosen for this edition. And, well, they surely left a lot of stuff to discuss related to the decisions made on some wads...

-ChocoDoom got updated in the 20th anniversary. Now you can play Heretic, Hexen and Strife too! Go grab each version of them here! http://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/Downloads

-Jimmy's Jukebox may be get a new update very soon...get hype!!! http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=29117&start=180

>>1489345
That's fuckin' adorable.

>>1489345
Cute, but I have a feeling the eyes and mouth don't last long.

>>1489345
>Last thread >>1478678
>>1484317

>>1489345
>IMX fucked up the last thread AGAIN

fucking hell dude

>>1489369
Just be thankful he only posts once or twice a day.

[01:36] <+GMOTA_Guy> Oh IMX
[01:36] <+GMOTA_Guy> you dun goofed again
[01:36] <+GMOTA_Guy> without fail
[01:37] <+TerminusEst13> Poor IMX.
[01:37] <+TerminusEst13> Never gets the last thread right.
[01:37] <%IMX> dangit
[01:37] <%IMX> dat boi aint right
[01:37] <%IMX> i tell ya hwat

So, I've swapped out Blaz's old footsteps (Link's Boots from OOT) and replaced them with the softer footstep sounds used in the DoomRL arsenal, I'm sure they've been used elsewhere too but that's the first mod that comes to mind.

also gif related is pretty much done

>>1489394
That is very clearly the Goddess Bracelet.

Second harder loop confirmed?

I personally prefer no footsteps sounds at all unless sound is an important factor to watch out for

>>1489394
Hey GMOTA dude,for the second character you mentioned,you will use stuff from Gauntlet,right?

>>1489397
>That is very clearly the Goddess Bracelet.

Ah you fucker. I was hoping I wasn't the only GnG buff up and posting right now. No second harder loop no, but it's going to be rare and powerful as all hell. If I can I want to add the bracelet to the arm sprite.

as for footstep sounds, I really like them, but I'm swapping them out for something significantly softer and easier to ignore for players. Though if I get enough complaints, I'll remove them.

>>1489413

I don't think I ever mentioned gauntlet, the second hero is Kuros from the Wizards and Warriors series, and he'll be using sound effects and other assets from Battletoads and all other manner of games made by Rare for the NES.

Now that you mention it though I can use a few sprites from the NES gauntlet for HUD elements and shit, good thinking.

>>1489415
I would honestly be surprised if there wasn't GnG buffs on /vr/ at all times.

You don't have to worry about footstep sounds if you want them in there.
I know how to edit them out, and had to do so for quite a few mods because most people didn't have the decency to put in a quieter footstep sound.

It just doesn't feel right in Doom mostly.
There would also have to be that feeling of taking proper steps in Doom and the weaponbobbing isn't quite enough to give that feeling.

What are some good maps to play GMOTA on?
As in "flavour-wise".

>>1489429
You mean a levelset that matches the weapon theme?

Or do you mean just a fun level set?

>>1489430
Both, if possible.

>>1489429
I'm currently running through Hellbound with GMOTA and Demonicron.

>>1489434
Brotherhood of Ruin

I am revamping the third map in my vanilla mapset-in-development. It WAS a remake of E1M2 of Chex Quest, my favourite level from that game, but it's too "open" compared to my other levels and the original level was too repetitive. So now I'm expanding on it in other ways.

Anyway, I'm adding an arboretum to one end of the map; what do you think the best way to do that is using only vanilla objects?

I have an idea for a good discussion here.

We can take screenshots of parts of WAD's that we like and talk about what it was that we liked about them (or even what we did not like) - so as to help anybody else who is making (or wants to make) a map.

I'll start.
Pic related is from "Suspended in Dusk".

I was very impressed at how Espi was able to make levels more detailed with shape alone and using limited textures. You will notice he uses the same textures quite a lot throughout the levels but because he is able to make varied room shapes and layouts the textures do not seem overused at all.

>>1489434
Scythe 2 is mostly castle-themed, if that helps.

>>1489472
>Scythe 2 is mostly castle-themed
noeep just tha 1th epsido m80

>>1489354
Not with hmod around they will

http://youtu.be/7mMBcK6RdGk

THERE'S NO BRAKES ON THIS TRAIN BITCHES.

>>1489460
Looks like he made architecture around how textures looked, rather than the conventional way of using textures around the architecture you make. Pretty interesting, I wonder if I could do the same in duke nukem 3D

>>1489626
we demonight now

>>1489460
Let me try.

Pic is from Hellbound wad.
The best and most awe-looking city map I've ever seen in a 2.5D fps.
Now, in essence if you look at it the map isn't THAT detailed, I have seen much more detailed buildings in Duke Nukem 3D with a more varied used of textures. In essence, the map isn't even THAT big : there are two parallel streets linked by a small one.
So, what does make it so good?
Well, even though a coherence is kept in color scheme with that white-ish texture, each building is different. Different in size, in height, and in architecture. Each building having a different height is probably the most important here. Like I said there isn't THAT much detailing but there is enough to keep everything slightly different while keeping a coherent look, and enough to make it just 'realistic, believeable enough'. There was actually no need for more detailing, and with more detailing you'd probably reach the building limit sooner and not be able to make the map so big.
Finally, it LOOKS realisticly sized. It really isn't though, there are more windows than you'd have floors if it was realisticly sized, but the windows still are bigger and more realistic than you're used to see in old 2.5D fps. Like I said before, it's just 'realistic enough'.
All of this, while keeping the most important, interesting gameplay : a part of the look and the realism is even sacrificied for the gameplay (you can see the elevator in the middle of the pic) and the differences in height seem like they are thought especially to go with gameplay since projectile monsters will you shoot from different heights. There are also enough corners and architecture hiding part of the map to keep things interesting throughout : you'd think you'd activate every enemy of the map at the start with such an open area, but you really don't.

Any recommended guides for map building that don't come in the form of videos on youtube?

How is that one mod called like MSX2 or whatever with the Halo-like weaponry and models and such.

>>1489898
Bretty gud

>>1489851

>>1489936
Fuck.

>>1489936
>300 jokes
It's 2006 all over again.

>>1489898

project msx

Well shit.

I've made some maps with oblige, and they generally come out as a series of squares rather than anything flavorful and intresting.

So,

I have an immensely large collection of maps. I don't know what to use with DoomRLA. Give me some ideas.

>>1490031

Do you have OBLIGE v6?

>>1489958

>>1489345
I still think the Cacodemon plush is cyooter.
>Now I want a big giant cacodemon beanbag chair.

heh, I made a (badly edited, kinda stupid) thing

http://i.imgur.com/ghYLrFV.png

note: believe it or not, that's the actual translation; this is an excerpt from "abyuse counseling" and can be found at One Yukkuri Place

>>1490072
Oh god not the yukkuri...

>>1490038

Yes. That's the one i'm using.

>Log onto Zandronum for first time yesterday.
>Minimum ping: 117
>No players on that server.
>Mfw

>>1490072
What the fuck am I looking at, disembodied head torture porn?

>>1490083
yes

>>1490083

>disembodied head

Those are yukkuris, utterly obnoxious spherical masses of red bean paste.Think of it like "kawaii" cockroaches

>>1490078

They're actually more related to Doom that you might think

>>1490086
Yukkuris as lost souls. Omigawd

>>1490089

They're actually Pinky replacements in the mod. I can't remember what were the Lost Souls

>>1490086
obnoxious?? i suppose you hate tribbles as well, you beast

>Doom thread: Toothoot edition

>>1489986

I looked this mod up.

What maps are featured in this trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s8oGz0TUHY

It's not mentioned anywhere in the video description.

>>1490104
>>1490089
>>1490086
>>1490078
>>1490072
reimu for samsara when

>>1490119

You should've tried looking at the comments, MagSigma himself commented that they were Sunder, Back To Saturn X and Deus Vult

The one that isn't a slaughtermap out of those three is BTSX, so be warned

>>1490132

*Deus Vult 2

>>1490132
>The one that isn't a slaughtermap out of those three is BTSX, so be warned
the last map of btsx_e1 is kind of a slaughter map
the main part in the cave is in particular

>>1490132

Huh I looked over the comments and saw nothing but people complaining it wasn't available for zandronum.

Cheers Anon.

WHAT THE FU-

>>1490223
what in the god damn fuck is this shit

KB+M or KB? What bindings do you use?

>>1490223
KB + M, with mouselook and alternating between disabling/enabling autoaim depending on what i'm playing. Sometimes I don't even bother with mouselook.
Basic wasd + mouse setup. q and e for change item, c for use item, ctrl for crouch, space to jump if the wad requires it, f for use.
When I used KB only I used wasd to move + arrow keys to look around, ctrl to shoot, space to use.

>>1490225
>Being this fucking retarded
It's KeyBoard+Mouse or Keyboard.
Bindings refer to the settings that tell what key or button to do what action.
Enjoy your spoonfeeding.

>>1490223
As far as I can tell, most of us use KB+M, but most of us aren't mega-purists either. Some people use KB only as a challenge. Romero himself uses KB+M.

>>1490242
shit i thought that k, b, and m were bound to something

>>1490209

PISTOLS.WAD CONFIRMED

>>1490242
Keyboard and mouse is purist acceptable.
Vanilla Doom could be played as such

It's mouselooking where purists draw the line, not mouseturning.

>>1490269
Good to know, thanks.

>>1490209
>Ripper
based

also it looks like arsenal alone doesn't spawn any chainsaws and relies on map spawn

which is a shame since I'm playing using oblige which doesn't seem to spawn chainsaws either

either that or I've been playing 2 maps short of a full doom2 replacement without seeing one

>>1490276

Poor cacos. Nobody likes them.

>>1490104
I wouldn't mind a wad where you violently destroy Yukkuri's.

Anyone have any idea where I can find a download of Hokuto no Doom?

>>1490335

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?file=themes/hokuto.zip

>>1490263
can't wait for quantum computing and the new age of slaughterwads that will come with it

>>1490337
'preciate it.

>>1490263
how'd he port doom to it with a screwdriver

>>1490338
I may be mistaken but I think quantum computing won't have much to offer in terms of gaming advancements. I think it'll mainly be for more secure encryption.

>>1490359
Computer Engineering, obviously. Can't you read?

>>1490364
:(

>>1490364

I...I'm sorry, anon.
It's true.
I can't read.

>>1490362
Simply put it will will improve greatly computing power
(read an article saying conventional encryption methods won't work as their core is "this problem is so hard to compute it would take forever to break it")
dunno about GPU based games, but for software mode doom it''ll make a difference

>>1490283
I like cacodemons...
Its Archviles no one likes. Except for that fem-archvile that one anon made. That was strangely hot.

>>1490389
>Fem-Archvile
>Fucks you to death then revives you for more
It's just like one of my japanese animes!

>>1490394

>>1490269
Mouselook's seen as harmless next to crouching and jumping, which really has no place in most SP/MP wads.

>>1490393

For anyone curious, That's Demons of Problematique 2.

So Eriance was the one working on Doom X all this time, huh?

>>1490432
Why? As long as I don't break sequence, does it matter?

>>1490432
no it's not

well, just looking up and down probably doesn't hurt much, but aiming up and down is certainly cheating

>>1490430
Read the filename.

>>1490450
That's exactly what they fear, that people will break sequence when given the opportunity. So it's not an issue for us, but new players, though I've always saved before deciding to break sequence and see what happens.

Autoaim does most of the work mouselook can do, but I see why people like to use it and have no issue with it.

>>1490440
where'd you see that

whois'd doomx.net and it's pierre ramirez http://forum.zdoom.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2703

different art style anyway

>>1490462

OneManDoom's latest post about Doom X. Can't link because blaghpost

>"Eriance's evil twin keeps plugging away."

>>1490469
eriance might be working with them but it doesn't necessarily mean that

eriance checks the zdoom forum every day, could pm them

>>1490459
>Autoaim does most of the work mouselook can do
Never liked autoaim, I want to place my shots by myself (I tend to use just the Dot, colored red, for aiming), it feels so strange and constricting to rely on autoaim.

And I really never break sequence in Vanilla style maps. Though I do like to use Jump/Crouch/Freelook to better be able to dodge projectiles and enemy gunfire. Works best in OpenGL.

Have something else.

>>1490493
Yeah, the autoaim code always feels like it needs improvement. Some shooting tactics just don't work well from afar; I like to focus on movement with keyboard-only now, since I think that's what most WADs focus on more than simply the shooting aspect.

Also, jumping trivializes nukage/lava, which I don't like.

>>1490510
>simplistic level design and architecture
>absolutely NO shading at all

>trying to hide the ugliness with non stock textures

Next time at least try it with good looking textures

>>1490521
>talking shit about Hell Ground
that screenshot sucks but ur a faget

>>1490493
>Though I do like to use Jump/Crouch/Freelook to better be able to dodge projectiles and enemy gunfire
i think if you do this you should not claim to others you've beaten the game properly.

>>1490521

In Hell Grounds defense, that screen has all the gamma up for some reason. As if they were playing it on ZDaemon or something

>>1490527
Seconding, the fact that jumping and ducking adds extra dodging options to combat inherently means that you're getting a much easier play experience than intended. If you can't dodge by strafing you should be eating that fireball soldier.

>>1490532
I'm pretty sure it does have some shading.

I was never a huge fan of that guys maps, more focused on looking pretty than being fun to play. I tried Hell Ground and a lot of the action happens in dull looking hallways.

>>1490527
I didn't know there was enough leeway to dodge projectiles like that, but it sounds antithetical to the IWADs' design philosophy.

>>1490542

Have you tried Epic 2?

as an example, i think if you aim up/down manually at a monster that is out of autoaim range (the most egregious case being map30, but there are others) this is on the same level of questionability as jumping/crouching.

if you're aiming up at a monster that autoaim would have found, then i guess that's blind eye turnable.

>>1490527
I disagree, but I have played Vanilla Doom multiple multiple times, on a couple of consoles as well as computer.

I just in general want to be able to move freely in an FPS game such as Doom (Wolfenstein 3D is kind of different, since it doesn't really have varying volumes of height).

I'll say though, even without modern sourceports, high resolutions, fancy .wads and mouselook, Doom, as a core game, remains very very fun. I honestly expected modern .wads and mods to spoil me, but I still find vanilla Doom really fun.

>>1490549
I played through a few maps of it, but the constant egyptian themed maps got kinda dull after awhile. I really liked Epic 1 though. Map design was more interesting

>>1490539
They're so unreliable to dodge with that it really doesn't change much. if you duck, monsters aim lower. Jumping requires extremely good timing. Strafing is much easier. You can use ducking to hide behind a low wall that would not have normally covered you, but that's about it.

>>1490552
>I disagree, but I have played Vanilla Doom multiple multiple times, on a couple of consoles as well as computer.
then you've probably beaten the game properly at least once already, so you're probably good to go

>>1490539
It's not a huge game-changer, I only ever use it to duck below low barriers and shit, so that they can't shoot at me.

Every now and then, a shot that's flying low or high can be dodged by jumping or ducking, but most of the time I'd just move out of the way.
I just like the fluidity it brings.

>>1490532

I honestly don't know why it does that in the screenshots. When I'm acctually playing, it doesn't.

>>1490532
i didn't even recognise it as hellground, i've played hellground and it didn't have a sky like that

>>1490580
>i've played hellground and it didn't have a sky like that

You may have played it on ZDoom, which kind of affects Hell Ground in a way because that skybox has colors that aren't available in the Doom palette

Can someone extract all MIDI files from Chillax and Dark Tartanus, compress and upload somewhere. (I am currently on my android phone and I want to listen to the music so bad)

>>1490630
minute

Is Plutonia Experiment supposed to be hard or do I just suck?

>>1490630

Only the MIDIs? You'll be missing out on a lot of good music.

>>1490667
It's designed to kick you in the dick.

>>1490667

>>1490630

Not him >>1490652, but I am uploading it to my Dropbox. Dark Tartarus uses tracked music instead of MIDIs, but I included 'em anyways. This isn't the case with Chillax which uses MIDI only

It's like 20MB or so. It may take a while

>>1490676
I compressed it better.

>>1490630
Here, sans .MUS

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7nxit62ug98mmo0/chill.zip

Is it possible to assemble a minigun in DoomRL Arsenal? I have power and Firestorm mod packs.
I also have a Gatling gun but that's not really the same.

>>1490676
>>1490687

Ah well, anyway, here it is for those that may be interested.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s0zj14xcx2zebu3/musec_qwerty.zip

>>1490675

>Not chillax

>>1490702
Minigun's an exotic, you'll have to find one.

>>1490714
Damn. Also, I found Malek's Armour but I am already wearing Cybernetic one. Oh well.

>>1490714
Okay, how do I assemble:
>autoshotgun
>autoSSG
>assault cannon
>plasma rifle MK. II

HAPPENING

How come I see people with a cool HUD for DoomRL arsenal, and all I have is the original HUD? What's going on here? Also why don't some of the buttons work? HALP.
>pic related

>>1490675
>that one fucking archville

>>1490781
aw shit nigga, commander keen source ports when

>>1490789
>Keen sourceport
>all of the games runnable from a front-end
>full modern compatability
Fuck yes I'd get that.

>>1490781
OH FUCK YEAR

>>1490784
It's a fullscreen hud.

>>1490784
Press +

>>1490792
And the ability to make custom Keen levels

>>1490776
>autoshotgun
>autoSSG
shotgun/doubleshotgun + BBF
the current version has a bug that won't prompt you for the autossg unless you apply the firestorm mod last, so be careful
>assault cannon
Autocannon or assault rifle? Assault rifle is just rapidfire weapon + AAA, autocannon is minigun + PPFF
>plasma rifle MK. II
Plasma Rifle + BBT

>>1490802
Thanks anon.

>>1490804
>minigun + PPFF
Oh god, 2 firestorms AND a minigun. I guess it's worth it for how cheap/strong it is but eh.
Thanks!
>unless you apply the firestorm mod last
So wait, sequence does not matter? You can apply FBB or BFB?

If you have Zandronum, would you still recommend getting ZDoom for playing Single-Player mods? Does it make the experience much better?

>>1490807
what about the ability to run doom inside comander keen

>>1490818
>would you still recommend getting ZDoom for playing Single-Player mods?

Hell to the yes. A reminder that Zandro is still 2 years behind ZDoom in terms of code.

>Does it make the experience much better?

You can bet on that.

>>1490818
get gzdoom since there are some mods that require it

>>1490818
GZDoom for single player. It supports lots of shit that Zand can't handle, and it's basically just ZDoom with an added graphics renderer that handles looking up and down correctly. It's seriously all in the OP man.

For ease of use grab ZDL and set up the sourceports and DoomSeeker to run from there.

>>1490828
>>1490826
>>1490824
Alright, I'll get GZDoom. Thanks everyone.

>>1490821
What abut the ability to run doom with hmod inside commander keen.
Or hell an H level just for Keen.

>>1490816
Sequence doesn't usually matter, no, but the assembly for the auto double shotgun is bugged right now so that it does.

>E4M1
>Shotgunners dealing maximum damage

ARE THEY FUCKING HARDCODED TO DO THAT IN THY FLESH CONSUMED?

FUCK

>>1490851
I think they're just placed in such a way that they score full groupings on you at most occasions.

Oh, and you're gonna love E4M2.

>>1490859
YOU'RE GONNA LOVE ME

>>1490868
I love this opening so much.
>Oh, shotgunners, imps. Okay, I can do it.
>SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>1490859

They should've called this fucking episode "id software discovers Linedef Teleporting for Monsters"

Oh, and I've played E4M2 before, it's just that I'm playing this in a serious way for the first time ever while saving ammo like a motherfucker (i.e. if the Imps do not go down with a single shotgun blast, I pull the pistol and I finish 'em with it)

Oh and I'll be carrying my ammo over the next levels, because fuck purism (for now)

>>1490873
Why would you ever want to pistol start E4?

What sniper mod does in DoomRL Arsenal? I assume it increases accuracy somewhat, but does it lower RoF?

54 Health
84 Ammo

This is going to be Pain incarnated. Let's do this

>"hurr no 100% sekrits"

Ah, fuck off. I got no time for that shit today

>>1490890
Are you a little girl or something?

Start EVERY map with pistol only.

>>1490905

>/doomworld/

Also it turns out I forgot that I've turned of autosaves in ZDoom BEFORE getting to play Thy Flesh, which means that, yeah, I'm doing E4M2 pistol-started

And you know what? Fuck it, I'm doing just this one pistol started, the rest of 'em I'm saving my shit

>>1490905
>muh purism
It's not an arcade game.
They removed the extra lives system before the game was done.

Hey guys, total fucking noob here.

I got Project MSX up and running, but whenever I pick up ammo, it doesn't get added to my ammo counts. What the fuck am I doing wrong?

I tried googling my problem, but I didn't find anything.

>>1490896
>First mod makes first hitscan shot 100% accurate and increases accuracy by 2/2
>Second mod makes all shots 100% accurate
>Gives velocity scaling on projectiles and 100% accuracy
Makes shit really fucking accurate. Put two of them on a Plasmatic Shrapnel SSG for the best sniping weapon ever.

>>1490924
Fuck, I put it on my Gatling gun. And no, I can't put another on it anymore. Oh well, live and learn.

>>1490921
Who needs extra lives when I can rip and tear my way to the top of the high score!

>>1490926
try reloading

>>1490890
sometimes you end a level so fucked up pistolstarting the next is an improvement

>>1490930
I've assigned the reload button to several different keys, and it doesn't work at all.

>>1490048
What's this and why does that gun sprite look so bad?

What are the other armor sets in RL Arsenal and what do they do? So far the only ones I've been able to finish are Tactical (Best), Phaseshift, and Cerberus. Oblige just doesn't ever wanna spawn armor.

>>1490987
also there needs to be a pastebin or something with the non-wiki assemblies because that shit is impossible to figure out.

Speaking of Oblige, is there any setting to force it to make maps in the episodes ram up quickier in terms of monsters it places? I want to fight more than zombies/pinkies on map01.

>>1490895
>>1490890

Aaaaand I did it! It took like +10 tries, but I'll be damned, I fucking did it

Atuomatic double shotgun is so much fun. Should I slap another Firestorm on it, or maybe Power mod? I'm not sure what the latter does on itself, I mean, is the power increase significant?

>>1491026
DoomRL Arsenal, of course!

>>1491020
What mod are you speaking of in this case

>>1491012
>Perfect Hatred
Never has a level name been so apt.

>sekrits: 1/22

Are you kidding me? lel

>>1491051
If I remember correctly, most of them are stairs and one of them is unaccesible.

>>1491020
What class are you? If you're marine, I'd say go for the Firestorm. Otherwise, you're already using a real ammodrain so you should use the Power mod to get as much as you can out of it.

>>1491061
Marine, yep. Applied Firestorm, but it's hard to judge the firing speed increase. Well, it kicked plenty of ass even before the mod so yeah, it's just icing on the cake really.

How do I set up ZDoom to work with DoomRL? I'm not exactly the best at this and apologize.

>>1491076

First things first, download a SVN of either ZDoom or GZDoom, because the "normal", stable version won't be useful for you. Now, as I am picturing it, all you have to do is to drag and drop the mod in the exe.

Not that hard.

>>1491049
>tfw getting the VHS rifle in Canada in the coming year

Opinion time? Opinion time

E4M2 isn't that hard at all like some people say. Like, it's all about trial and error, once you know

>which monsters are where
>get the plasmagun

And if you actually *know* how to use each weapon the best for each kind of enemy and dodge the baron's plasma you're good to go.

>>1491085
I'm playing with "normal" and i got no problems with DoomRL

What do Gothic Boots do in DRA?

>>1491094
E4M2 has a lot of bullshit moments.

For example, that area that's filled with lots of Spectres.
If you delay jumping down at all then you can't even really get down there since enemies are infinitely tall.

Then you got little room to work with at all points in time and hazard floors.

Not to mention that the secrets are mandatory for pistol starts.
Not optional at all.

>>1491101
Nothin until you get the armor

And finished by something called "Nightmare Arch-vile". Apparently not even 70% DR and over 100 HP will help you if you stand in that huge pillar of flame they summon. Oh well.

>>1491101
50% protection from damaging floors and gives you a set bonus if you find Gothic Armor. Also increases the chances of getting Gothic Armor out of supply crates.

>>1491117
yeah but they are incredibly easy to avoid and they are sittng ducks if you do
now nightmare cyberdemons + awkward oblige enemies placement...

>>1491104

Not that I want to feel cocky about it, but I can write an idiot-proof guide to E4M2 if you guys want; just to check if I got it right

>caring about whether someone beat the game properly

Face it. Playing vanilla with today's sourceports is just a way to cheat by removing the need to manage vertical aiming. Play the game properly using the capabilities of modern sourceports, you fucking idiots.

>>1491090
Let's hope you do, and that the RCMP doesn't pull more bullshit. I think the VHS-2 looks much more interesting though, even if the VHS-1 looks like a not-shit FAMAS.

>>1491147
It's not too unbearable but those bullshit moments are annoying.

I just do the Berserk skip and don't even bother with the right side of the level anymore.

I have more a problem with how terrible the level is design rather than the challenge it offers

>>1491090
Let's hope you do, and that the RCMP doesn't pull more bullshit. I think the VHS-2 looks much more interesting though, even if the VHS-1 looks like a not-shit FAMAS.

>>1491148
The limitations prevent the Chaingun from being a sniper weapon and also it prevents you from killing enemies made to be a nuisance to shoot at.

Not to mention a lot of levels are made with the limitations in mind.

A lot of Doom can be skipped with just jumping.

>>1491182
>The limitations prevent the Chaingun from being a sniper weapon and also it prevents you from killing enemies made to be a nuisance to shoot at.
So don't do that yourself then? Don't see why people take offense to not playing it "like the creators intended" (a phrase I see thrown around in a lot of questionable contexts).

>>1490393
THE TEXTURE FILTERING
IT HURTS

>>1490871
Best Cacodemon use in a map ever.

>>1490393
much filter such blur

>>1491187
>So don't do that yourself then?
Unless you know the range of the vertical autoaim you can't really reliably tell when you're not supposed to hit a guy unless it's really really obvious.

Also with source port additions you make bodies fall off ledges with damage and kills.
This makes Plutonia easier at level 16 because you can use a rocket on the Chaingunners that constantly get revived by Archviles.

Personally I don't mind how one plays Doom as long as they don't do things they were obviously not supposed to be able to do.

Like jumping over monsters, gaps, running on top of monsters, sniping, crawling through windows, etc.

But this is even if you are attempting to play Doom as it's supposed to be intended. If you just prefer to have those things available then more power to you.
Just don't submit speedruns when you do things like that, they don't like it

I have a lot more fun with Doom using Project MSX and Polished Skull with some tweaks.

And maybe one day TSP and v1.0 of GMOTA.

>>1490943
When you go to the controls screen, don't assign a key to the first reload keybind, go down and look for the other reload binding, is under Project MSX keys I think.

Just found out about zDoom (never paid much attention to Doom on PC, I have had the console ports). For shits and giggles, can I run zDoom vanilla style? I already know about setting it to 320x200 (I set it to 640x400 cause it'll be easier to see on my big resolutioned monitor), but I mean setting the framerate as well as the menu to a more vanilla style (zDoom has alot of options, I remember playing Doom back in the days on Windows 98, and the menu has a bigger text). Is there a way to change the screen-depth to the original? Thanks

>>1491201

Dude who is playing thru Thy Flesh here, that little buddy is quite useful to dispatch the imps at the beginning of the level, all you have to do is to provoke the imps so that they throw a fireball at him.

If you know how to provoke infighting, the beginning of E4M2 is a piece of cake

>>1491206
>This makes Plutonia easier at level 16 because you can use a rocket on the Chaingunners that constantly get revived by Archviles.

I don't see the problem with this.

>Like jumping over monsters, gaps, running on top of monsters, sniping, crawling through windows, etc.

Don't see a problem with this.

>Just don't submit speedruns when you do things like that, they don't like it
Why would I submit speedruns of an edited or changed game? Speedruns are about original games, aren't they?

>>1491214
Haha, I'm playing through TFC too and I used that trick yesterday. It was awesome.

>>1491217
>>This makes Plutonia easier at level 16 because you can use a rocket on the Chaingunners that constantly get revived by Archviles.

>I don't see the problem with this.
It's playing the level against it's design and bypassing the challenges the level set up for you.

>>Like jumping over monsters, gaps, running on top of monsters, sniping, crawling through windows, etc.

>Don't see a problem with this.
Jumping over monsters means Pinkies are absolutely negated as a threat since they can't ever bite you or ever corner you.
You can't be cornered by anything in any level set even if surrounded by Revenants.

>Gaps
You can skip almost all of any level with a single jump.
You can rocketjump properly to actually skip massive amounts of levels.

>Crawling through windows
Reaching places before you're supposed to be there with ease, getting into places you shouldn't have been able to in the first place and so on.

>Why would I submit speedruns of an edited or changed game?
It was just a joke

>>1491210
There was an option somewhere to cap fps, I think there's a console command for it too. Check the zdoom wiki, set it to 35.
About the other stuff, I dunno.

>>1491217
Can you stop with the avatarfagging please?

Does anyone have any good suggestions for good joke wads?

>>1491221
Also to clarify about the level 16 example for Plutonia, you can use the rockets on the Chaingunners with autoaim.

But you can't aim behind them without autoaim in a way that would launch their corpses off the platform, preventing the Archvile resurrection.

>>1490839
>Commander Keen /ss/ Edition

IS THIS A GOOD THING?

>>1491249
>1 HP

No.

>>1491249
SAAAAVEEEEEEE YOUR GAME

>>1491251
DON'T WORRY, I GOT A RIPPER.

>>1491256
>SAVESCUMMING

>>1491249
Yeah, but the nuclear BFG kind of sucks since you only get one shot between charges, while the normal BFG can take two shots before needing to reload. Since you're a marine you'd be much better off using the nuclear plasma rifle.

>>1491260
NIGGA THIS AINT NO /RLG/

>>1491221
>It's playing the level against it's design and bypassing the challenges the level set up for you.

I was meaning that in a half serious manner, as in, a dislike of Arch-Viles. I figure that I didn't convey that properly.

>Jumping over monsters means Pinkies are absolutely negated as a threat since they can't ever bite you or ever corner you.
I tend to not want to get close to pinkies (as they're big muscled vicious mouths), so the idea of standing on one never really occurred to me. It'd make you a tall and clear target to any surrounding ranged enemies though, so there's that. Sometimes I'd perhaps run on top of a hoard to get up at some ledge or platform, to get away from them, but I rarely get an opportunity like that even in slaughtermaps.

>You can skip almost all of any level with a single jump.
>You can rocketjump properly to actually skip massive amounts of levels.
Well I wouldn't do that, that's throwing away half the fun of the level.

>Reaching places before you're supposed to be there with ease, getting into places you shouldn't have been able to in the first place and so on.
Well, that'd really only be to get away from overwhelming hordes of monsters or heavy fire, as in, jumping through the window and then ducking down, to not die. I like exploring though, so the thought of reaching a spot the author never intended for me to is a little bit exciting.

>It was just a joke
I see.

>>1491227
It was not my intention. I'll tone it down.

>>1491238
Couldn't you just put a rocket in them and send them flying down into where the Arch-Viles are hiding? I mean, unless you're concerned with getting 100% kills, but I can't remember if you could get that in Vanilla.

Eitherway, it's a bit of a dickmove, level-design wise.

>>1491241
How awful.

Any fun assemblies I can make with Nano pack?

>>1491263
But it is now!

>>1491260
FUCK YOOOUUUUU!!!

>>1491267
>Couldn't you just put a rocket in them and send them flying down into where the Arch-Viles are hiding? I mean, unless you're concerned with getting 100% kills, but I can't remember if you could get that in Vanilla.
In Vanilla it's impossible because corpses aren't impacted in any way. They die where they stand.

I tried to rocket their corpses into the Archvile pit but it didn't seem to work, there might be a minimum height requirement

Post some god tier megawads

>>1491261
I HAVE ONE, IT'S GREAT.

PIC RELATED, IT'S WHY IT'S SO GREAT.

>>1491281
Scythe and Scythe 2.
Every thread.

They are just such great levels.

>>1491279
>there might be a minimum height requirement
Of course there is.

I'm surprised that this concept was only used once in the entire .wad

>>1491237

>>1491269
Maybe make that automatic super shotgun thing and slap the nano on? I dunno, I didn't find any nano packs either on DoomRL or DRA, so I don't know what can be made with them.
>But it is now!
I'm ok with this. Did you figure out the ZDL thing?

Playing Doom "as the creators intended" just leaves you playing an old, extremely overrated shooter; fuck that and the grognards that insist on it.

>>1491237
>>1491287

/pol/.wad
that one WAD done by jack101 inspired by Exploding Lips
Mock 2

>>1491290
I'd need to find Firestorm first.
>Did you figure out the ZDL thing?
Uh, I just drag DoomRL wads and and a wad I want to play on zdoom exe.

>>1491292
GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH A CACTUS
also i politely disagree

So does anybody think the 8x damage multiplier for Doom RLs Scout class is a bit OP? I got the high powered hand cannon, and I feel utterly unstoppable with it.

>>1491298
I agree with the first two, but Mock 2 is just bad no matter if it was intentional or not, try the TurboCharged Arcade wads instead.

>>1491312
>Killing a Baron in six shots
Feels good man

>>1491292
But the creators had intended for Doom to be modified and modernized!

Carmack even wanted things like Zandronum to come about:
http://youfailit.net/pub/idgames/idstuff/source/doomsrc.txt

>>1491328
You should tel the purists.

>>1491334

rep and tel their guts

Ah well

>>1491206
>Also with source port additions you make bodies fall off ledges with damage and kills.

I distinctly remember shooting imps off ledges (they fell forward) in vanilla doom in 1995.

>>1491210
Are you the fuck that wanted to play the original chex2?

Here you go you asshole, I made this for you but you apparently don't have eyes so you didn't see it. Instructions for vanilla doom play in zdoom are included in the rar file.

Copy of my earlier post:

Near perfect recreations of vanilla chex quest 1 and 2 in zdoom have been completed.

From the Readme in the rar (and the About in the wads themselves):

chex_van_zdoom.wad
chex2_van_zdoom.wad

Files are meant to recreate a vanilla Chex Quest 1/2 experience as closely as possibly in ZDoom.
Files are to be run as pwads with Doom.wad (Ultimate Doom)
All resources are from the original Chex Quest 1&2 (chex.wad & chex2.wad) with a bunch of code copy+pasted from Chex3.wad and the ZDoom wiki.

Flemoidus Cycloptis Commonus which face to the wrong side when moving at the player have been kept in as that is vanilla behavior.

////INSTRUCTIONS FOR RUNNING ZDOOM LIKE VANILLA CHEX QUEST 1/2
////////////

////Run as:

PWAD with DOOM.WAD (Ultimate Doom)

////Typed in console:

cl_capfps 35

////Under "OPTIONS" in the Main Menu:

//Display Options
Column Render Mode: Original
Interpolate Monster Movement: No

//Video Mode:
320 x 200

//Compatibility Options:
Compatibility Mode: Doom (Strict)

//Mouse Options
Mouselook Speed: 0

//Player Setup
Autoaim: Always

Download:
https://www.mediafire.com/?jxb9bgayl84iy7n

>>1491292
It's mostly just jumping and crouching around to break maps. Other than that and freelooking to win on map30, I don't think most people here give a shit.

Jumping over a pinky horde when you get your dumb ass surrounded just removes man-card points, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdrPus6ScR8

Does anyone have more, better footage?

>>1491359
I'm not this chex 2 asshole lol, I was just playing around at the time with the .wad i got from my burnt cd i got years back. Will take a look at this though. Thanks

>>1491298
Okay, anything else? I've already played /pol/.wad.

>>1491359
cl_capfps 35? Why? It's a boolean, 1 = true and 0 = false. 1 means it synchronizes the framerate with the game clock, 1 frame per tic update, which is around 35fps.

vid_maxfps is a framelimiter that only exists in zdoom and gzdoom so far, but is basically a custom fps cap. With vid_maxfps 35, the video update and game timer are running on separate timers, and results will be jerky and not be as good as with cl_capfps 1, which uses only one timer.

http://zdoom.org/wiki/CVARs:Display#cl_capfps

>>1491359
I'm the chex 2 vanilla fag, sorry about not replying, that's my bad. Thank you very much for spending time on a fuck like me.

>>1491379

The past thread (I think) IMX posted a twitpic video where someone defeats Romero, it lasts like 30 secs or so.

Also I like how nobody over at the known Doom forums have brought the subject, never mind that Romero used Zandronum

>>1491379
>tfw the real Romero is still trapped in the digital world, unable to do anything but look out his fleshy window

>>1491398
That may be the programer he mentioned in the vid I linked. Cool, thanks.
What's the deal with Doomsday anyways? Is it still updated? Only thing I noticed a while ago when watching a vid of it is that it has a shitton of options for everything, and it's own front end, but is it any good?

>>1491390
lol its fine I just was afraid I did the work for nothing.

>>1491389
I don't understand. I forgot it wasn't a bool, but cl_capfps is what he wants since

>but I mean setting the framerate as well as the menu to a more vanilla style

>shit Oblige is giving me too many cybs and archies too soon in the game in medium settings.
>change to Obhack
>Mastermind in the opening room of map02
>Oblige's and Obhack's face when

>>1491207
That was it... Thanks dude

>>1491414
That's some bad luck.
Reminds me of a dude playing DoomRL in a special difficulty setting and going downstairs and finding himself surrounded by arachnotrons.

By the way, which one do you like better, OBLIGE or OBHACK?

>>1491414
>DoomRl Arsenal
>Oblige megawad, playing with permadeath rules
>First 15 maps are fairly easy with small encounters here and there
>Suddenly Barons everywhere
>Spend ten minutes killing them all
>Think the worst is over
>Open a door
>30 more Barons with, I shit you not, 10 Archviles behind them
>All my work is rapidly undone
>Ammo and health running out as I frantically try to kill the 'viles
>Barons slowly closing in
>Finally get cornered and beaten to death with nowhere to hide

It's one thing to get hit with a truck right at the beginning. Oblige played me on, making me feel like I was in control, then proceeded to crush my dreams into dust.

>>1491436

Current OBLIGE v6 RC blows ObHack away. OBLIGE's developer was looking forward to bring back the prefab placement that was featured in v3, and also a fuckton of features are planned to be included for it (custom music folder, for example)

>>1491454
>OBLIGE v6 RC
Anyplace to get it (without compiling, preferably)?

>>1491457

uhhhh have you tried looking at the News post?

>>1491459
Whoops, thanks!

>>1491457
boku no news post

>>1491436
While v6 is objectively better obhack makes the almost exact kind of rooms I like.
if only it had less windows...

>>1491410
It implies that cl_capfps is a custom framelimit, which is spreading wrong info to people who might not know.

I figured I should explain what it actually does. That's all.

Ey Mike, a suggestion for the Archvile.

Make her wear something like pic related, but with her jocks uncovered. Try using the skull gradient of the Doom palette as the color of her dress.

Also if my memory serves me right you said you will be replacing the former troops with armored Imp variants. Here's some concepts I found and I thought they would be useful to ya

>>1491292
I may love all the modern crazy mods people are doing, but if you seriously insist that Vanilla Doom, in it's original form, isn't fun as fuck, I'll challenge you to a duel to the death.

>>1491505
>Slow paced

Goodbye

>>1491491
Slow paced, with sluggish, unresponsive, unsatisfying weapons, and defined by a set of obnoxious technical limitations.

Yeah, nah, fuck that.

>>1491369
>unlimited_boomstick_works.png

>>1491505
Oh yeah, I forgot. Shitscanning enemies left and right, with the ones that weren't shitscanners throwing projectiles that are effortless to dodge. Along with several of the melee enemies being so effortless to shut down that it actually makes facing them more comedic than threatening.

Any news about that h-mod? What's the name of it?

>>1491506
Does the truth really offend you that much? Vanilla doom is fucking tedious.

>>1491517
Samefagging here, just so nobody thinks they're clever by shouting it.

Proof of this can be found in the fact that it's impossible to make challenging WADs for vanilla gameplay that don't either rely on massive hordes of enemies, bullshit challenges like archvile hordes hidden behind objects, or using the technical limitations of the engine to hobble the player.

>>1491512
m12-hmod_techdemo2.pk3

>>1491526
O-oh my...

>>1491512
>>1491526
[apoiler]almost forgot: http://www.sendspace.com/file/qq23cf [/spoiler]

>>1491534
You ain't seen nothing yet.

>>1491517

>Vanilla doom is fucking tedious

Just before you get b&, watch the fucking Doom 2 Tournament finals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcSj0lk-vEo

And go ahead and tell me this is slow as shit

>>1491538
YES
YES

saw someone say they set up a script that created a random oblige level, ran it with DoomRL Arsenal, and played the levels like a roguelike

can anyone show me how set up a script like this? sounds really fun

>>1491505
>Slow paced
>Doom
-10/10

>>1491512
>>1491526 (You)
almost forgot: http://www.sendspace.com/file/qq23cf

>>1491534
You ain't seen nothing yet.

>>1491505

>slow paced gameplay

>shotgun
>SSG
>rocket launcher
>unresponsive
>unsatisfying

are you playing the same game as us? I'll agree that vanilla doom certainly feels old compared to all of the new mods, but the gameplay is still rock solid and entertaining. So you're either a troll or a babby who hasn't even got past the first episode of Doom 1 before quitting.

>>1491537

I think he's referring to classic gameplay of a player versus monsters

>>1491545
You know what, I can't post for shit today. I give up.

>>1491545

>Those fucking hips

Anon please, no

Opinion != fact. Others might not agree with you, but don't try to pass off a subjective view as indisputable "truth".

That said, at least you brought reasons to the table to back them up. The way I see it is that each monster is not designed to face the player by itself, but combined with others and the environment to give a player a combat puzzle of sorts to overcome.

I don't like slaughterwads that rely on sheer numbers for that reason. Those maximize what you call "tedious" and make it the sole focus of gameplay.

http://blog.danbo.vg/post/50094276897/the-most-misunderstood-game-of-all-time Give this a read sometime. See the paragraph about the bestiary, it's pretty neat.

Personally I use perkristian's hq sounds to give everything a bit more power. And hey, there's always enhancement wads like Polished Skull to fill in what some people feel as weak points in Doom.

>>1491545

Gonna be honest.
I prefer that drawing to Mike's sprite.

Sorry, man.

>>1491564
Fuck, I thought I quoted.

>>1491564
This was for

>>1491517

>>1491554
HAHAHA!
I LOVE BULLYING THE PAIN ELEMENTAL!

>>1491562
I liked Mike's sprite better. She was bigger. That was nice.

Good to have both though.

>>1491572
>try it in DoomRL Arsenal
>get face ripped off
:(

>>1491505
Alright, let's bite.
>Slow paced, with sluggish, unresponsive, unsatisfying weapons,
Yeah, no.
>and defined by a set of obnoxious technical limitations.
Explain.
>>1491509
>hitscanners
They aren't bad because they can actually miss sometimes and because they force you to take priorities in combat. Taking cover sometimes isn't a bad thing either.
>throwing projectiles that are effortless to dodge.
They are pretty hard to dodge when there's a group of them, and the level design should use them creatively. Also, not all enemies are imps you know.
>>1491523
>Proof of this can be found in the fact that it's impossible to make challenging WADs for vanilla gameplay that don't either rely on massive hordes of enemies, bullshit challenges like archvile hordes hidden behind objects, or using the technical limitations of the engine to hobble the player.
Doom is a 2.5D shmup, so yeah.
Still, some levels are hard without using hordes and hordes of enemies. Thy Flesh Consumed, as an example. Not all of the levels are hard but some are pretty dangerous.
Never seen the bullshit and engine things you mentioned though.

>>1491537
Compare that to a Quake 3 match. It's sluggish as shit.

>So you're either a troll or a babby who hasn't even got past the first episode of Doom 1 before quitting.

I beat every episode. But nice assumption. If people don't like you like, it must mean personal failing on their part. Let me describe Doom combat.

>oh noes, a monster
>shoot at monster, making cheesy sounding pop noise with gun
>wait
>wait while milling about to avoid easily dodged projectile
>wait some more
>still waiting
>oh hey, I can finally shoot again, allowing me to make another cheesy sounding pop

>>1491564
perkristian stuff is really good.
I use his smoother animations plus his sounds. I used to prefer the PSX sounds but pk's ones growed on me.
I think I'll aslo download that smoother monster animations thing IMX posted.

Playing with Oblige v6 now, I really don't like how it makes a bunch of lava/acid holes you can fall into and can't get out without jumping, but in other places jumping breaks map progression.

>>1491586

Quake 3's weapon sounds are shit though, and deathmatch consists of jumping around everywhere.

>>1491564
>When John Carmack, the embodiment of id software’s last shred of credibility, goes on stage at QuakeCon 2012 and says "We all know what Doom is about - shotguns and demons", he is met with rapturous applause from the audience. Doom 3 had at least one shotgun and one demon (if not more) and yet has failed to secure the lasting appeal of its forerunners, interesting as a tech demo and little more - so clearly this isn’t the case.

>I, a random blogger know better than the one of game's creators what the game is about.

>>1491604

To be fair, Carmack has never been about gameplay mechanics, he's an engine maker, that's it.

Which explains why Quake 4 was so bland, along with Doom 3, and RAGE. All of those games are impressive from a technical standpoint but god damn the gameplay is dull as dishwater

>>1491609
I'd say all of those games had theoretically solid gameplay, the problems ran deeper than that. Rage for instance just had really bland design and writing; it was very difficult to give a shit about anything, even if the gunplay was solid.

>>1491609
Quake 4 was pretty good, it was also developed by Raven.

>>1491616

Some of the weapons felt lackluster to me at least, but really more than anything I'm butthurt that wingsticks break and you can't get an infinite use returning one. God damn it I want another razorwind

>>1491508

>>1491609
Can't talk about Q4 and D3, but RAGE guns felt great.
The problems came from hitscanners, the aiming being shit, the fact that to compensate for regenerating health your HP is so low is ridiculous, and that gunplay last about 3 minutes before you have to drive 10 fucking miles to shoot stuff again.
The writing and quests sucked too.

>>1491609
>implying he didnt ask for input from quakeworld clan members and "professional" players like thresh to balance the mechanics for Quake III Arena

Refer to Carmacks 1998 and 1999 .plan files:
http://floodyberry.com/carmack/plan.html

Don't say shit that isn't true.

>>1491627

yeah, that low HP amount sucked dick. From a design standpoint I dig the weapons though, they all certainly LOOK cool.

>>1491628

I never mentioned Quake 3, just 4 and Doom 3.

>>1491621
I don't remember the weapons that well, but I do recall that the assault rifle and pistol were very satisfying to use.

>>1491632
>I never mentioned Quake 3, just 4 and Doom 3.

Misread, my mistake, friend.

>>1491627
A vid I saw a while ago that explained all this shit: www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVFrAsxjxLs

There's a second part too.

>>1491574
I think she was based on this artist's rendition.

It's on pixiv

>>1491646

It's okay, and I feel like a cunt for mentioning that all players do in Quake 3 is jump around, there's a lot more to it than that. But I grew up with Unreal Tournament, so I can't say anything more.

and I do like Quake 4's blaster WAY more than quake 2's blaster, it looks cool, and sounds cool. Too bad it's pretty useless on harder difficulties.

>>1491586
>Compare that to a Quake 3 match
You mean "JUMPING LIKE A FAGGOT THE ENTIRE TIME: THE GAME" ?

>>1491564
That article was pure masturbatory bullshit. He's providing after the fact justifications for things that the creators didn't put even a quarter that amount of thought in.

Also, it's hilarious that he says Brutal Doom isn't more of what made Doom good, then goes on to mention an aware which the mod has received as proof of this.

Also, to call the BFG a weapon of "nuance" rather than a piece of shitty design work is just pants on head retarded.

That article was the purest essence of asshurt grognardia.

>>1491609
I-I liked Doom 3 and Rage...

>>1491668
>I've never seen a quake 3 match between skilled players

That's terrible.

>>1491673
Doom 3 with the duck tape mod was decent.
Unmodded Doom 3 is just a pain in the arse.

>>1491673

while I really dislike Doom 3, and Rage let me down. I can't be giving people shit for what they like. God damn it this is /vr/, not /v/.

>>1491671
Further, the idea that there is intelligence and forethought in the design of the Doom monsters is just fucking absurd. The hit and miss nature of the original WADs, with most of the levels and campaigns of the first two Dooms that aren't KDinD sucking endless amounts of shit, stands testament to this. No, what there is to the Doom monsters is a set of uses that overly dedicated fanboys looking for an easily used engine for making levels have cooked up for them. If this level of fandom had happened with literally ANY OTHER shooter, you'd have the same style of puffed up, self-important jerk off as that fucking blogger claiming subtlety where there is none.

>>1491704
Are you using a dev build of ZDoom? Get that.

The HUD for DoomRL isn't loading properly for me.

Also, is the Obsidian armor really good or is it a joke? Maxed at 999 armor.

>>1491704

Did you disable the alternate fullscreen HUD in your HUD options? If your fullscreen HUD looks like this, go disable it

>>1491713
>>1491710

Thanks to both!

>>1491704
Onyx armor is indestructable but only provides 20% protection. It's nice for a backup, I guess.

>>1491710
Not OP but what is wrong with the stable zdoom

>>1491723
It doesn't have the newest features, and DRA requires some of them. Stable will run fine for a while but some shit will bug or just flatout won't work.

Does the Medical Power Armor flatout make you invincible?

>>1491679
Yeah, it helps transform the game from "oww I banged my shins in the dark again" to an alright shooter. I think having a Half-Life style flashlight was one of the better decisions they did for the BFG Edition.

Plus, the chainsaw was just perfect, I really wish they gave it to you earlier in the game.
Or at all in the expansions.

>>1491681
Don't get me wrong, neither of them are perfect, but I appreciate them for what they are. It's a shame they'll probably never revisit Rage again, because even through it's shortcomings, I thought it had interesting things going for it.

>>1491748
Nah. 40% protection, slow health regen when under 25%, and 50% increased health from pickups. It's good, but it's hardly the best. If you're interested in becoming invincible, look into Shielded Armor for bullets and melee and Lava Armor for fire and plasma.

>>1491803
I had 9999~ or so Health, which is why I ask.

>>1491480
I was hoping he could put in modern armor kind of like the what the zombies were to show that they replace them

>>1491369
Jumping over a pinky horde when you get your dumb ass surrounded just removes man-card points, though
then i lost that man-card a long time ago,just replace pinkies with revenants and the fact that i used MSX[i was playing Slaughterfest 2012]

What makes a gun satisfactory?
A)The sound[rated from 1=peashooter to 5=recorded real gun sounds to 10=REAL GUN SOUNDS]
B)The power of the gun and the feel of killing enemies with few shots because POWER

>>1491830
A and B

Real gun sounds are terrible on their own, they need to be upgraded

>>1491830
A good mix of both. If a gun has a badass sound but it's actually shitty, it'll still feel like shit. Likewise, even a gun that murders everything in seconds isn't fun to use if it has a wimpy sound.

>>1491834
i think with REAL GUN SOUNDS,i meant that the weapon has badass sounds that will feel satisfactory even if the weapon is shitty by some standards[i.e. MSX shotgun is useless at mid range but the sounds are 10/10 would fire]

Oblige, you're an asshole sometimes.

>>1491848
>Scout's face is just doomguy with a lopsided beret

>>1491854
God why are cacodemons just the most adorable things ever?

>>1491857
They just are.

>>1491830
What makes shooting a satisfying experience is the sensations associated. Feeling power over something is a trifling matter to experience; any child with a magnifying glass and some ants can pull that off.

So with that in mind: A is infinitely more important than B.

>>1491848
>But anon, I brought all your friends back!

>>1491858

I own a damn plush of one of the things and they're my favorite monster.

Also the new pain-sound they're given to be a quick chrr doesn't help.

Cacodemons. Everything is sunshine and lollypops to them.

is something wrong with the RL arsenal monster pack? it doesnt seem to load for me
im using the latest svn build of gzdoom

>>1491862
Oh god even the archvile is adorable.
>>1491858
>You'll never hug a caco
;_;

>>1491869

>>1491871

what the. The thumbnail didn't have any text.

>>1491843
I changed MSX's shotgun sound to one with more oomph.

It went from kinda nice to OH FUCK YEAH AUTOSHOTGUNS ARE MY SHIZNIT NOW AND FOREVER

I also changed the pistol sound to get a more.. Powerful shot since I'm shooting explosive bullets.

It's not that I didn't like the default sounds, but I had found some even better sounds in another place to use.

Thanks whoever that guy who did The Specialists weapon mod on youtube is, your weapons were kind of lackluster but the rips were amazing and you had some great sounds to work with

>>1491880
pls upload it

>there exists more than one image of doomguy riding a caco

>>1491897
Every Doomer wishes they had their own pet Cacodemon to ride.

>>1491901
It would be relaxing, especially since their flesh is probably very soft and tender, but man it would be a slow ride

>>1491905
>but man it would be a slow ride
more time with your pet caco
#winning

>>1491905
OMIGAWD. THAT CACO IS BLUSHING. IT'S SO CUTE.

sides obliterated

Guys, guys, wait.

What if we had a Doom wad based on Overlord?

Exept the minions are cacodemons.

demon taming mod when

its all that spider mastermind's fault
the demons are innocent

>>1491854

That's my favorite DOOM photo

Anybody have a good hi-res image of the Doom Box art. All the ones I find on Google Images have an odd line going across the O and M in the title.

>>1491920
Fuck, I remember some anon making a proper HD one but I don't know if I saved it. Gimme a sec.

>>1491917
There's a Pokemon Doom wad that lets you capture the demons and use them instead of traditional guns.

>>1491927
That'd be cool, thanks. That line just gives me total OCD.

>>1491930
kewl

>>1489345

That's like the ultimate 'u mad bro?' reaction image.

Oh for- OBLIGE YOU BITCH!

>>1491930
Interesting. I wonder...

>catch Arch-Vile
>revives corpses out of instinct??
>fights revived enemies???

Best game

>>1491941

Such a classy package.

>>1491940
why are they blue

>>1491941

>>1491931
>>1491927
>>1491920
Here it is.
I don't know shit about image formats and shit so if it's bad that the pic is a jpg tell me and I'll upload it with some other format.

>>1491930

So do you start out with a demon or something? Or do you throw rocks like safari zone?

>>1491948

Because those are plasma troopers, each of those guys is packing a plasma rifle

<ven> SetActorVelocity(0, 12*normX, 12*normY, dicks, butts, cocks);
<ven> ???
<ijon> dicks = 0, butts = 1, cocks = 0
<ven> #DEFINE dicks 0
<ven> #DEFINE butts 1
<ijon> useful constants
<ven> #DEFINE cocks 8===D
<ijon> wait
<ijon> I got it
<ijon> #define dicks 0
<ijon> #define butts 1
<ijon> wait no
<ijon> #define dicks 0
<ijon> #define d dicks
<ijon> #define butts 1
<ijon> #define cocks 8==D
<ijon> s/\<d\>/D/

DOOM MODDING.

01:56 < ijon> http://ijontichy.lostsig.com/wads/dakka-0.04.pk3
01:56 < ijon> changes
01:56 < ijon> - seperated ammo out
01:56 < ijon> - new ssg sounds
01:56 < ijon> - chaingun grenades rebalanced, should no longer perpetually explode without doing any damage for no reason online
01:56 < ijon> - some heretic and strife compat

also new punching sounds, and the ssg should hopefully desync a bit less online (not that it did all that much harm but still)
wallclimbing with the plasma lasers is no longer all that viable

>>1491978
oh. oh my.

does that .wad just "upgrade" all monsters to fiercer ones or do they count as separate monsters that oblige works with in spawning

>>1490789
>>1490792
I wouldnt get my hopes up about anything being made with it.. the Blake Stone source codes were released nearly a year ago and we havent seen anything new made with them.

>>1492005
option 2 I think

>>1492012
neat

>>1491916
>caco is about to shoot a second lost soul after the first lost souls crashes to Caco's blast
that's going to cause in-fight

>>1491948
ZPTroopers
they are dangerously cheesy in small rooms

>>1491978
You start with either an Imp or a Zombieman - you're supposed to be able to choose Grass, Water, or Fire like in actual Pokemon, but the author only ever implemented the Fire starter, so Water and Grass give you a Zombieman, which is the equivalent of a Bug-type. Your only personal defense mechanism is the recall beam, which will do 1 damage and briefly stun if used on enemies.

>>1492009
ECWolf is working on implementing Blake Stone support.

>>1492025

>>1492005

Yeah.

There's three "nightmare" type difficultys in DoomRLArsenal:

Nightmare: New nightmare enemys, pain in the ass, prone to fucking you in a heartbeat. No respawns. Tougher enemys.
Technophobia: New Cyber enemys. Even more of a fucking pain. Thank GOD there's no nightmare cyber.
Fall of Man: Hidden beneath Technophobia. This is both above and some of its own new monsters blended in. You will die.

The nightmare archvile and the nightmare cyberdemon will cause you to turn into an angry marine.

>>1492032

What's the nightmare archie do?

>>1492039

>>1492041

Oh the red fuckers? at least you can dodge their flames. Also what font is that?

>>1492032

>Nightmare cyberdemon

"Oh, A thamuz. How hard could it b-"

VVVVVVVVV-CHOOOM
VVVVVVVVV-CHOOOM
VVVVVVVVV-CHOOOM

"....Fuck."

>>1492043
It's the font used by BTSX.

>>1492032
Wait, this is normal DRA or with the added monsters addon?

>>1492032
Also, do Tech and Fall of Man have respawning enemies?