/vr/ - Retro Games

post dammit!

>not hooking your wii to a CRT monitor

>>1483319
psh. I have my Wii's SCART cable running into a YUV transssssssssscoder and have the component cables running into a component-to-VGA converter box, and have that running into my 19 inch Dell Diamondtron crt monitor.

Exactly the way the developers intended

playin shit on my Commodore 1702
all day every day

Sweet an Apple IIc thread. Or is this a thread about something else?

Remember when CRT threads reach the 500 in less than a week?
The last threads had a life longer than a week.
What's up with that?

>>1484002
People not having as many questions as before;
Less baiting;
Less people posting pictures of their CRTs?

Are there any CRTs in particular to keep an eye out for? I don't know much about them, but I am thinking about building a mame cab in the style of a New Astro City candy cab. I know they use 27 inch screens and thats about it. Don't really feel like shelling out 500 bucks for a legit arcade monitor considering I could get an astro for 300 more.

>>1484002
mods deleting battlestation pics+threads.

>>1483771
>Apple IIc
I think we just found the teenager in the thread, guys.

>>1483301
Found the model number for that model. Kv-9000u

>>1483319
>not playing Tetris on your Magnavox monitor

I'm still waiting for the answer of a guy who's selling a bunch of lovely pic related, and I'm planning to get up to 4 of these.

>>1484372
>dat vertical NES
>dat amber
>dat visible lag above the S piece

>>1484392
>dat no pic

>>1484392

Oops forgot the pic!

Someone on Craigslist is selling this model tv in the town over.

It's a trinitron, but a late model Wega one. Would this be worth purchasing or should I hold out for a better one?

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KD-34XBR970-34-Inch-Trinitron-Digital/dp/B000F4RC02

>Component Video Input (Y/PB/PR) 2 (Rear)1080i/720p/480p/480i capable

I can't find a description with full listed amount of each input, but here is a pic of the back input. Front input has S- video + YWR (Video 2)


I already have a cheapo CRT, and I would need to haggle this guy to something reasonable if I even got it.

>>1484023
If you're lucky enough to have good condition ones in your area Id go for it.

Haven't found any locally and shipping is pricey.

>>1484416
Well, think about it this way. Its a pretty cool TV. But the HD and wide screen format arent going to do anything for retro gaming. And they're heavy as hell.

Other than that, I've got an SD trinitron and love it compared to my previous jvc TV.

>>1484416
It's an ED/HDCRT.

Wouldn't be optimal for retro(5th gen and back) systems, but 6th gen and arguably 7th gen would look absolutely wonderful.

>>1484428
>>1484430
Okay thanks guys. I really only care about NES/SNES games, honestly.

Is there a specific subset of Trinitron or holy grail I should be looking for? I want something 25inch+

All I currently know is "Trinitron but not WEGA. Black trim is better"

I bought a KMD S-Video cable for my N64 (it says Gamecube but that doesn't matter) and am I to believe this is the best way to deal with the N64's atrocious visuals without modding the system?

>>1484430
>ED/HDCRT
It upscales 480p, so HD.

>>1484448
>All I currently know is "Trinitron but not WEGA. Black trim is better"
Black trim just means it's old enough not to be an HDTV for sure ('90s). And WEGA just means "high-end flat screen" in Sonyspeak, which in the case of many/most SDTVs honestly is not a problem (even for light guns).

I wouldn't use that rule of thumb. Rather, I'd just keep my phone on me and look up any model numbers I don't know offhand.

>>1484450
S-video is a step below RGB, yeah. Don't know anything about whether your cable is good or not, though.

>>1484462
I have the CraigsNotifica app which works really well. Googling the model number is the first hting I do, but I end up having to ask you guys here for a confirmation before contacting them.

How do you guys know which one of these Trinitrons is best?

>>1484462
480p is often referred to as Extended Definition so as to differentiate from 720 or 1080p's High Definition. A middle ground between SD and HD if you will.

>>1484450
Assuming it's actual S-Video and not doubled Composite, it should look pretty good.

>>1484462
>Assuming it's actual S-Video and not doubled Composite, it should look pretty good.

Pic related, I'm guessing I did a big no-no?

>>1484485
heh. I remember paying like $25 for yellow video to s video converter. I'm sure it was an utter waste

>>1484490
So then what should I use for N64? This system looks terrible and I can't find anything else on Amazon that doesn't have two stars.

>>1484509
You're fine with that. I was reminiscing on using a converter when one wasn't needed.

>>1484474
I just used to pick up the ones above a certain threshold. For me it's stereo + S-video + analog comb filter (so there's minimal sub-frame latency on composite). And I don't limit myself to Sonys either.

>>1484479
I think you missed it. Every HDTV can handle SDTV resolutions too but they're not called SD/ED/HDTVs. They're simply HDTVs.

>>1484485
I still don't know since I've never had one, but it's possible that they could have cheated by pulling from the composite pin for S-video. It's a total cheapskate move. Technically it's also possible in S-video-only cables (without a composite plug), but I don't think anyone's ever actually encountered anything so insidiously chintzy and pointless.

There are also known-good dual composite/S-video cables (like Monster's) that use the correct pins for both signal types.

>>1484509
Nintendo, Monster, and Hori are all known good. No-names are a crapshoot, especially on Amazon where it's easy for sellers to get away with listing stuff inaccurately.

>>1484534
The point is that HDCRTs often enough stick to 480p(or 1080i) and thus ED. HD being tacked on is just there for someone who may not know what the ED stands for.

At this point we're just arguing semantics.

>>1484546
1080i isn't ED and anything that tops out at 480p is an EDTV, not an HDTV.

>arguing semantics
tacking on extraneous nomenclature = introducing semantics to the discussion

It's not a problem, I'm just fleshing out what you posted.

What's a good CRT choice if you're sitting far away, like if it's made for a game room? I find the 20"Sony PVM to be a little small for game room needs. Perhaps I could just push the chairs and futon closer but?

Picked up this nigga last week for 30 bucks. My consoles had never looked this good before. It's seriously good porn.

>>1484448
If you google FD Trinitron wega, it'll bring up a Wikipedia page with most model numbers and specifications. You can find out what resolution a particular trinitron supports, how much it weighs, etc.

Unfortunately telling if the TV is good or not isn't so easy, at least for me. Its not so much looking for a particular model as it is making sure the one you're looking at doesn't have any problems.

I wouldn't be able to tell you all the ins and outs, but you want to make sure the picture isn't warping or stretching and there's no color bleeding or anything else looking out of place on the screen.

And I think black trim are just the older curved trinitron sets. I like the newer flat ones, don't know if they are better or worse though.

>>1484582
damn, that is pretty good looking.

>>1484580
Use your imagination! Envision what a 24", 27", 32", 35"/36", or 40" would look like.

Or get yourself a Fresnel lens for a few lols.

>>1484587
I have some dumb stories about the history of that page and the forum post that inspired it. That chart doesn't even belong on WP in its current form, but countless people refer to it every day so I haven't done anything to propose its deletion.

Every time I see a CRT thread, it makes me wonder what schools did with their CRT tvs. I remember they had VGA ports in the back and always made me want to hook up a PC to it.

>>1484587
According to that wiki page, there is only one 4x3 with "super fine pitch"

The KD-36XS955


Is there a significant improvement over this than Hi-Scan and what other forum could I turn to in finding out the best CRT available?

>>1484616
Give link plz

Is it a good idea to get a CRT with comb filtering if it's for Dreamcast/PS2? I have a Genesis on the way as well.

Found a KV-32FS17 on Craigs

>>1484616
>>1484580

>>1484730
For a Dreamcast/PS2 you can go HD. It's okay to use HD on systems that support it as long as your display doesn't have heinous draw delay.

/r/ scanline generator that alternate blocks all even lines, then all odd lines.

Current scanline generators always block every even or odd line, which effectively halves the framerate.

>>1484836
No, it does not, because consoles output 240p over a 480i signal by setting all the fields to the same polarity. If it halved the framerate then it would alternate between no scanlines and 100% scanlines (black screen).

>>1484703
Some of those were probably presentation monitors, which could be great displays for the size. We would use them to play SNES after school.

>>1484713
I have one of those. It's great, but not for retro. I'm glad I have one of these instead of the 34XBR960 for watching old 4:3 TV and movies in their cleanest possible form. The 960 would be pillarboxed to some tiny size on 4:3, whereas my 955 displays 16:9 at about the same size as that 960 and 4:3 is huge.

As for significant improvement, very much yes. It's obvious at any reasonable distance that SFP makes a huge difference on these large TVs.

avsforum will help you with whatever we don't cover here. I was a long-time reader when CRTs were still on the market. I must warn you that the quality and amount of discussion about CRTs these days has deteriorated seriously as they decline in usage. Some old CRT diehards, particularly non-gamers, eventually just gave up once plasma got big and cheap enough.

>>1484716
To the forum thread? I might be able to look for it later if you want.

If you're looking for the WP article, title is "FD Trinitron/WEGA"

>>1484730
>KV-32FS17
Comb filters aren't bad. If you're going to use composite at all, you need something so it doesn't look like crap. Digital comb filters like the one in that TV are just naturally slightly slower.

>Dreamcast
You can use a VGA box -> component while keeping it in 15kHz mode by bypassing some pin, then going through a transcoder to component into that TV. Alternatively, S-video (bypassing comb filter).

>PS2
Just use a component cable straight into that TV but don't turn on progressive mode. Alternatively, S-video (bypassing comb filter).

>Genesis
RGB to transcoder. Alternatively, composite (going through comb filter).

>>1484741
ED (480p) systems like those would still get upscaled on most HDTVs.

>>1484880
>ED (480p) systems like those would still get upscaled on most HDTVs.
The delay of digital to digital conversion is a hell of a lot less than analog to digital, not to mention image quality.

>>1484914
>digital to digital conversion
You're not getting digital video out of a Dreamcast or PS2.

You should probably talk about scaling vs. deinterlacing instead. And at that I'd simply say that's fine, but still not ideal compared to a display that natively syncs to 480p. That's why I said "most" HDTVs. I have two HDTVs that sync to both 1080i and 480p natively with zero scaling.

>>1484880
alright, I'll look into S-Video for my PS2 if I do go for this CRT.

Can I safely assume that anything with Comb Filtering is digital signal?

>>1484868
You're wrong. Scanline generators will block every other line, which will only allow every other field to appear. This halves the framerate.

>>1484970
Well I'll be a monkey's uncle. That TV doesn't have component after all, so yeah, you'd be going with S-video on the PS2 and DC, and composite with the Genesis. Sorry for mentioning component at all!

Also I really should clarify: You only need to avoid 3D digital comb filters because they cause delay on the order of a frame or so. The digital comb filter on that TV is pretty much fine.

That's what I get for skimming the specs on that TV while posting in other boards and threads. Sheesh.

Anon from the last thread who was going to get a PVM 1351Q here. I get to the guy's house, I ask if I can test it before I buy, he says sure. Turns out it doesn't work. I offered to take it off of his hands for free, so now I have a broken PVM.

Whenever I turn the thing on, it just shows a white line for about 30 seconds. After that the white line disappears. Haven't opened it up since I've heard CRTs can be pretty deadly if you fuck something up while it's open. Guessing I'm out of luck?

>>1485483
>white line
Vertical or horizontal? Could be deflection.

>>1485483
Be extremely careful if it's a horizontal white line across the middle. TVs have been known to explode if left like that for long enough.

>>1485485
>>1485487
Yeah, it's horizontal. It's off right now, so hopefully no explosion. So it's fucked, then?

>>1485485
>>1485487
>>1485496

Nah, don't worry about it. Crack a a beer and pop that bad boy open.

I remember back in '99, we had an expensive 27'' that shwoed the same problem. The image would flip on itself into a couple of white horizontal lines near the middle and the audio would be a single tone.

We left the tv on the porch for a month, then on Saturday, my dad hands me some isopropyl and computer dust blaster. He opens a beer and unscrews the case and has me go to work. I didn't really know what I was doing, so I took blasted the whole inside with the deduster until it got super cold. Then I took some paper towels and wiped down the circuit boards near the bottom. There were some thick, copper coils near the center back. Wiped them down with isopropyl too.

Let the thing dry for an hour and plugger her back in. She worked great for another couple of months. We could never get the case back on correctly. I think we snapped some of the plastic pulling it off. But it worked just as well.

Seriously, I did do this

>>1485532
Well, called my local TV repair shop, told me they don't work on CRTs anymore. I'm probably gonna have to take your advice, anon. I liked the story too, reminds me when my dad asked me for help in fixing the washing machine.

Anyone have any good resources to diagnose the problem? And are there any safety precautions I should keep in mind?

>>1485574
Were I you, I would never bother fixing a CRT, given that it DOES hold high electrical charges, besides, in the grand scope of things it's just an old TV, and many people are more than willing to give away their CRT due to the space it occupies. What >>1485532's father did was absolutely irresponsible and reproachable. Do be very careful.

inb4 b-b-but it's a A PVM
I can easily get those for about 50 dollars over here, so I still keep to my word of fixing it worth it.

>>1485589
I see where you're coming from, but PVMs aren't very common around here. Though I do acknowledge that CRTs can be really dangerous when opened up.

The TV repair shop gave me a number to another shop the next town over that does work on CRTs, so I'll give them a call first and see what they could do for me.

thanks for caring anon

>>1485589
>I can easily get those for about 50 dollars over here,
lucky, I've been searching for 6 months now, not a one.

>>1485015
I decided I'm going to keep looking for one with a VGA port.

>>1485984

Your best bet would be to hit up some schools to see if they have any surplus/scrap lying around. I work for a college and we have a few TVs/PVMs lying around collecting dust with every connector known to man, but I can't just take them as they're considered Captial Assets and are actually tracked year by year. Same for 'old' projectors and shit.

>>1485984
I don't know for sure what you're trying to accomplish doing that with the three systems you listed, so I'll just say good luck.

>>1486047
My biggest concern is getting the least input delay as possible and anything with a VGA is my biggest bet.

>>1486050
Edit

>My biggest concern is getting the least input delay as possible on the Dreamcast

Man, I dunno what's up here, but it's almost impossible to get a decent 19" CRT VGA Monitor shipped to you now.
I've got a broken hand, so can't collect.

Looking back though, it puts it into perspective how lucky I was when I was younger. I remember buying my first refurbished PC with a 19" CRT monitor for just £45 with shipping!
Sadly that monitor was thrown out by my mother when I first moved house because it was "taking up too much space".

>>1486112
My mom gave ours to someone who needed it because

>FLAT SCREEN!!!!!!!

>>1486050
>>1486053
Well if you've already decided then, again, good luck.

>>1486189
Thank you very much!

>just got CRT
>plugged up SNES
>played super mario

the fuck is the difference?

>>1486227
nothing, go return your crt and be happy with whatever you were using before

>>1486239
i got it for free, and its pretty alright./

Hey /vr/, just came back from my cousin's house. They've got this sweet HD CRT television that they're basically begging me to take off their hands. But, shit's heavy, yo. So I wanted to ask you if it was worth taking before I made huge power consumption/electric bill investment for the sake of retro gayman.

>>1486442
Lets see
>HD
No
>Widescreen
No
..Well its free so take it, sell it, get a SD - 4:3
As they say in my country "Gratis hasta las puñaladas"

>>1486442
No good for retro games, sorry. BUT, it would be pretty cool for Playstation 2/Xbox 1 and DVD movies.

>>1485589
>Still afraid of a CRT that's been sitting on the porch for a month

>>1486561
Actually, CRTs can hold high electrical charges for extended periods of time.

"A capacitor is simply two conductors separated by a dielectric. It so happens that the mesh grid, thick glass, and other energized components in a CRT make a pretty good capacitor which can hold a charge for a long time, even when it's not powered on. That part is NOT a myth."

Also, >>v

>>1486602
Nigger. If they could hold a decent charge for a month, we would fucking use them as supercapacitors. Batteries would be nearly obsolete.

>>1486604
How long it holds a charge has nothing to do with how much energy it carries.

>>1486604
http://www.h-i-r.net/2009/12/flyback-transformers-and-crt-discharge.html

>nigger
Something seems to have crawled out of its containment board. If you still didn't get it, I'll post the whole link to make it easier for you.

>>1486614
>http://www.h-i-r.net/2009/12/flyback-transformers-and-crt-discharge.html
>>1486602
>extended periods of time.
>a month

Nigger you're retarded.

>>1484580
PVM comes in 25" & 27" sizes to. (PVM-2530 & PVM-2730). NEC has their XM line of RGB monitors as well. (NEC XM29 & XM37).

>>1483724
Oh fuck, this brings back memories.

When I was young my aunt (RIP auntie, you were the best) bought me this tiny novelty television. It had something like a 5" screen, CRT. It was also monochrome.

I used to play the shit out of Goldeneye on the N64, then later the original Xbox on that tiny black and white screen.

Which was completely fucking stupid because I had a 40" full colour Sony CRT TV I inherited when my grandmother died.

I got a xbox with Coinops 5 (this counts as retro right?) and I want to connect it to my PVM with a component cable.
But it doesn't have the right ports for it, it does have a rgb port (is this the same as vga?) and a scart port. Can I use a converter on one of these? And will it loose quality when I do?

Anythingbto say about this specific Sony model "Sony KV-29K5E"? I would be using this for emulating nes and snes games mostly on wii.

>>1486489
But those aren't HD consoles. How good would they even look compared to n SD CRT television?

>>1487548
xbox huge has quite a few games that can play in 480p and occasionally 720p.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games_with_HD_support

>>1487558
And the rest of'em?

>>1487547
>Sony KV-29K5E
Should be fine for Wii emulation. According to
http://www.telemaster.. info/files/view/6962/
it's got SCART and S-video inputs, so just get an appropriate cable for it. It may have RGB input besides the SCART connector as well, the stats are kinda obtuse on that site and I can't find a picture of the TV's back.

>>1487571
FYI, not retro but pretty much every game you'd want to play on the xbox runs at 480p or higher. Using at least an ED tv would be the optimal way to go.

You guys know anything about a "VM" picture setting on trinitrons?

I was adjusting the picture settings on the TV and turning it on really sharpened up the image. I did some googling and all the info I found said it should be turned off for better picture quality. But I think the genesis hooked up to it looks way better with it turned on.

Am I missing something, does the TV need some other adjustments, or do people like blurry TV settings?

>>1489245
On some TVs Clearedge may cause lag, if it's a digital filter.
Of course I think any Trinitron that has it probably has too much display lag for retro gaming in the first place.

>>1489245
Yeah turn off or low, basically goes along with the sharpness.
And the sharpness in a trinitron is awesome as long is not set to high, between none and 1/3 for better picture.

>>1489275
It only has the options of off, low and high.

I like it at low, seems like high did a little too much of whatever it's doing.

Was thinking that maybe it looked like shit when watching tv or dvd's.

I love seeing these sharp edges when gaming. Can see those pixels almost as well as an LCD, but no blurring or lag to go with.

>>1489245
>You guys know anything about a "VM" picture setting on trinitrons?
Yes, always turn off VM/VSM/SVM.

Very simply, it "sharpens" the image by making some vertical lines slightly closer together that shouldn't be, which of course creates slight horizontal gaps where they shouldn't be either. The effect is dramatic because it's abnormal.

>>1485589
>given that it DOES hold high electrical charges
Just discharge it appropriately and you should be fine.

Even with them on the trick is not to rub your hand around in them or spray liquid in them. If you're really afraid and cautious, use rubber gloves and stick one hand in your rear trouser pockets and keep it there. The worst that will happen is something shorts on your glove and maybe you burn it if you're unlucky. No glove, it might numb up your arm... possibility of nerve damage potentially. As long as you keep one arm way the fuck away and don't give it a circuit across your heart you're generally good.
Don't pop caps and breath it in either though, unlikely to fuck you up, but not worth sucking up. If you're particular cautious about that, get a mask or something.

>>1486604
It depends on the leakage from circuit resistance. They do have supercapacitors that operate as batteries. You also wouldn't just use them as batteries for certain things unless they were the right voltage and could handle the amperage as needed and they tend to not hold as much charge. Capacitors do three things well, hold charge, charge up fairly quick, discharge extremely fast. The downside is that they generally don't store as much charge as a battery does. That might change with new tech like say extremely high density graphene capacitors. Coincidentally, the very issue with dealing capacitors in monitors isn't that they have to send a lot electricity through your body, they just need to send a jolt across your body to damage it or across your chest or heart specifically to cause cardiac dysrhythmia. Across the chest only needs 300-500mA. Direct access to your heart while unlikely would require less than 1mA. Also to 1 Farad at 1.2V capacitor is very large and it stores .333mAh worth of charge, a typical 1.2V nimh battery contains 600–2850 mAh worth of charge. At maximum 8500x the amount of charge. And you could fit more than two dozen of them in the same space. So batteries have absurd amount of storage/density compared to capacitors. Even if a capacitor holds a charge for a year it wouldn't make it a good battery. Since you'd need an absurdly large one or a shit ton of them. They serve different functionality in the same way that RAM and Hard Disks do.

>>1489012
I have theboriginal Nintendo wii rgb to scart cable. Would that TV accept RGB over scart?

>>1487459
Could someone please answer this?

>>1490193
First isn't retro
Second RGB = component

>>1490193
I was gonna answer you yesterday but I was banned
>>1490590
Neither of these things is necessarily true.
>>1487459
The RGB port might also support Y/Pb/Pr can you post a pic of it or tell me the model of your PVM?

>>1490590
>First isn't retro
But I thought it is since Wii emulators are allowed here for some reason. I just happen to use an Xbox to do so.

>>1490615
Thanks, I guess I was a bit
impatient. Here is a pic of it (It is a 2130QM)

>>1490949
I'm no expert but I do believe I've read that sony pvm's will take component as well as rgb.

At least there was a 9154q for sale here that did.

Ok, I am seriously confused now.
>SCART
I always thought it was just a different shape of connection, that it carried the same signal as RGB or composite or whatever, but with a different connector. But now after some googling and youtube videos, I'm getting some info that says otherwise.
So as an American, living in the US, what exactly should I be looking for?
I though it was:
component>S-video>composite>RF
Where does RGB fit in there, how do I use it, is it the same thing as PC monitors use (I thought it was VGA), and is it worth potentially having to mod my systems to have it?
Also, what the actual fuck is SCART? I've been told what it is in previous CRT threads, but I keep finding conflicting info. Is it better than other formats, or is it just a connection type like I thought?

>>1491348
Oh, and some questions about PVM/BVM's.
Headphones have a burn-in phase, where the speakers reach a kind of maturity with use. So when you buy a pair of high-end headphones you're supposed to play music though them for a period of time before they're properly set up (if the factory didn't do that for you that is).
Do these monitors have the same thing? Does lots of use = better video quality?

And secondly, how is the audio output on them? Will I need to hook it up to an amp, or just directly to my speakers?
Either way is fine with me, I've got the equipment for it, just wondering how you guy's have it set up.

>>1491348
Are the same thing
RGB (Red,Green,Blue) = Component
Component = Y/Pb/Pr
>RF
Video and audio in the same cable
>Composite
Split Video and audio
>S-Video
Video split in 2
>Component
Video split in 3

>>1491368
>Do these monitors have the same thing? Does lots of use = better video quality?
Complete opposite

>>1491378
ok so pic related are both the same thing then?
I know what the differences between RF/Composite/S-Video/Component where, just not what RGB or SCART did.

I'm going to assume that component is the best quality for /vr/.
This is the main video causing my confusion btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPbDvqFdjG4

>>1491348
Any reason the blanket on the bed disappears in the middle three pictures?

>>1491579
link changed his sheets while the picture was being made.

>>1490949
Unfortunately that's a CGA port see how it says "Digital"? RGBS like retro consoles put out over SCART and Wiis and Xboxes YPbPr are all analog.

>>1491348
>>1491378
Also, guys... Seriously how can these CRT threads go so long without anyone to explain to you guys that RGB and Y/Pb/Pr "component" also called "YUV" are NOT the same thing.

The RGBS signal in RGB SCART can be electrically transcoded (so lagless) to YPbPr with a relatively ~$50 cheap device.

>>1491447
This thing would only be for specialized applications unless it's syncing on green, but PVMs need a separate sync line (often Csync compatible). Even if it did have a sync line, it would still need some special software like soft15khz or crt_emudriver to get a modern video card to output at low enough resolutions and sync frequencies.

If you need someone to explain more just ask.

>>1491676
>Also, guys... Seriously how can these CRT threads go so long without anyone to explain to you guys that RGB and Y/Pb/Pr "component" also called "YUV" are NOT the same thing.

We pretty much go through it with every thread. Somebody made up a nice pastebin FAQ a while ago; it should be in the OP of every CRT thread, I think.

>>1491348
Yeah, I think that image is full of shit if it's trying to illustrate the difference between rf to rgb.

Watch how the color gets more and more washed out the further right you go until holy shit PVM. You could be feeding the PVM signal through a box of crayons and it would still look better than whats to the left.

>>1491684
That's okay, I don't mind explaining it when I see someone who needs it laid out for them. I like seeing CRTs getting used properly by more people, and that means easing new people into it.

Outside of Craigslist, where else can I find CRTs on the internet?

>>1491741

They cost so much to ship so I don't see them very often except on CL, or other local classifieds.

Ebay, if you're not concerned about price / shipping.

>>1491750
Alright, I guess I'll have to get a lucky strike on CL. Most of the ones in my area are digital/hybrid, only support RCA Composite or just have RF. Haven't seen one with VGA for my Dreamcast.

>>1491757
There should be tons of VGA CRTs on your Craigslist. You really don't need a CRT as much for progressive scan games but they're still snappier than HDTVs.

>>1491348
SCART is a connector type most popular in Europe. It is basically an all-in-one plug, as it carries video and audio signals from your device to your television. It carries an RGB video signal, as well as a composite video signal. Not all TVs with SCART ports accept the RGB signal, as some only accept the composite signal, and some will allow you to switch between the two.

RGB is a video signal made from splitting the red, green, and blue components of the output device, as opposed to having them all on the same pin, as in composite. By splitting the video across three channels, video interference is removed. There is also no compression on the signal, and no limit on color depth. Put plainly, RGB video looks sharper and has better colors than RF, composite, or S-video.

Component video is a general term for video signals split into two or more of their components, and can technically refer to RGB and S-video (which splits video information on two pins, one carries color [chroma], the other carries brightness [luma]) although component is most often used to refer to a signal type called YPbPr.

YPbPr, like RGB, is a video signal with three components, with green (Y), blue (Pb), and red (Pr) cables. YPbPr does not actually carry the three colors on three separate signals. The Y portion contains the luma signal and the sync signal, the Pb portion contains the blue signal, and the Pr carries the red portion, with the green signal derived from a combination of the red, blue, and luma signals.

RGB and YPbPr are functionally identical, neither being significantly better or worse than the other. YPbPr gained prominence in America in the late '90s, continuing through the 2000s. YPbPr is the highest quality analog signal available on consumer-grade American televisions, and gives the best video signal for the NTSC Gamecube and Wii, Xbox, and Playstation 2.

>>1491765
The keywords I've been using are CRT, CRT TV, Tube TV. Aside from TVs, I've found monitors but but those are too small for 4-player splitscreen games.

I probably need to try different keyowords.

I have a sony PVM-1953ST made in 1997. It works great but I already have a PVM, and my PS3 just broke. It's a longshot but does anybody in the LA area want to trade? I'll deliver within reasonable distance, I just really want to play dark souls 2 again.

>>1491801
LA here, what inputs does it have? willing to sell?

>>1491779
You should be able to find a 21" vga monitor with a little patience. Maybe as much as 24" but probably best to settle for 21"

>>1491808
He obviously wants a PS3 out of it or enough money to buy a used one. Dark Souls 2 is pretty sweet.

>>1491808
It's got the 2 RGB inputs, no early PVM 25 pin here. Yeah I'd be willing to sell but it would have to be for around $200, I think that is how much used ps3s go for. It's just simpler to trade.
>>1491813
Yeah I'm loving dark souls 2. Was about to start a magic build, which I haven't tried yet, and then my PS3 suddenly won't output video.

>>1491824
My DS1 character is a STR ultra greatsword guy but I'm a sorcerer in DS2. I just got the great soul arrow and beat the last giant last night it was pretty cool.

We're getting so far off topic lol. You should be able to get a PS3 for $150. It's crazy that the PVM is worth that but it is especially if you set it up for the guy.

>>1491824
And here's some bangai-o to show it's working. It's just connected through composite though, my dreamcast scart lead hasn't arrived yet.

>>1491824
I think my PVM-20M2MDU is nearly identical to that model. It pretty much looks like the exact same monitor. I want to get a hold of a PVM-20L2MD which from what I can tell is the newest 20" CRT medical monitor Sony made.

>>1491852
Yeah my other monitor is a 20M2MDU, and I can't tell them apart when next to one another. The 1953ST has a "STATUS" option on its menu, which my other monitor does not have. That and the small size difference are the only differences I've noticed.
>>1491831
Yeah 200 is about 50$ too much after looking on craigslist at both PVMs and PS3s. I just can't believe my luck - just got into spring break and my ps3 shits the bed.

Question. I posted this link:

>>1484416


Do widescreen CRTs have an option to play in 4:3? How good is it? Should I not bother since it would drastically reduce the actual image? The tv in question is 34'' but I assume that, since it's 16:9, the 34'' is diagonally across and the actual viewing area will be much smaller in 4:3

>Still using PVMs

>Not emulating on a more commonly available 31khz aperture grille CRT PC monitor with overall better quality running at double native console refresh rates and native console resolutions with BFI enabled, then making adjustments using the CRT's OSD to expand the resultant non-4:3, square-pixeled picture until a proper 4:3 picture aspect ratio, and thus proper pixel aspect ratio using non-square pixels, is achieved

>>1491939
>no bloom

>>1491950
Any CRT can have bloom if worn out enough

>>1491939
>emulation
That would defeat a good number of the reasons why I have CRT's. Also, Medical PVM's almost never have very many hours on them.

>>1491967
Non-emulation specific reasons to owning a CRT? Like What?

I agree that medical PVM's usually have less hours on them, though.

>>1491924
Yes, a 4:3 mode should be available from the TV's menu. If you figure out the vertical screen length or horizontal screen length you can use the pythagorean theorem to figure out your viewable screen size in 4:3 mode.

It's a WEGA, so it'll be a high-quality set. These things were about a grand new and had lots of good parts inside. If you're using it for HD consoles or TV, it'll be great. If the price is good and space isn't an issue, by all means go for it, but if you're using it for NES/SNES it won't be ideal, you'd want a standard def 4:3 TV.

>>1491775
Concise and mostly accurate, 8.9/10.

>the Pb portion contains the blue signal, and the Pr carries the red portion
More accurately, Pb is blue minus luma and Pr is red minus luma. This uses less bandwidth than B and R, which is the whole reason YPbPr exists in the presence of RGB.

So it is safe to say that most people in this thread are fetishistic towards CRT's. This is the peak of nostalgia.

>>1491981
I know certain games like Perfect Dark have the option of becoming 16:9. Does anyone know how that looks on a 16:9 CRT or was it an abortion of an attempt that should never be spoken of again?

>>1492113
No. I just know that my old games look like shit on my 46'' LCD screen and it has noticeable lag at times.

I was at a bitchin' party last year with an old friend, and they were playing one of my favorite games. My jaw dropped at how crisp the picture was. Then I noticed it was a Trinitron with just the AV cables plugged in.

My friend had no idea the tv was good. It was just a spare his parents gave him because they are rich as fuck. He said his family had the tv since the mid 90's

>>1492134
So you got a shit old and cheap LCD?

>>1492113
No, most of us still hate CRT's for being so fucking huge.
Personally, I used to use a huge flatscreen for all my games. Then I went over to a friends house for a week to watch his dog while he was away. I brought some consoles over to pass the time, and had to play them on their CRT.
I didn't own any consoles growing up, just handhelds, so I didn't have any knowledge of what they looked like on something other than an LCD.
First game I played on his tv was mario 64. The colors were more vibrant, the lines were actual lines, not pixelated junk, coins were actual circles, and text was now legible.
A week later I got a CRT for free off Craigslist, and haven't looked back.
Then I saw a trinitron in person, and it seriously just blows away both standard CRT's and flatscreens.
I cannot stress how good that shit seriously looks.
>now if I can just find one for sale
>;_;

>>1492169
Oh, and I dont use a CRT for anything non /vr/. I have component cables for non retro stuff, which gets played on my 32".
Though I have noticed my ps2 looks kinda meh on some games (dark cloud) and am wondering if it would be better on a CRT?
The real question is would it be worth it to to composite from YPbPr?

>>1491656
Thanks, so than I should use this adapter or do I need a converter?

>>1492415
You need a converter if you want to plug it into an American "component" input. That cable should work on most PVMs though, that support CSync.

>>1492098
>This uses less bandwidth than B and R
Care to explain?

>>1492169
>No, most of us still hate CRT's for being so fucking huge.
Not me, i like huge technology.
Like the very first computers like the Z1, Z2, Z3 and the ENIAC. That shit looks so glorious and amazing compared to my little black desktop box.

>>1492442
Thanks, I will try this (without the converter).

>>1484485
I've used this exact brand/model of cable on my PVM with my SNES, N64 and GameCube and can confirm that the s-video output is genuine, and worlds better than the composite video. I actually had both leads hooked up to different inputs at the same time and swapped between them at will. Just made me wish I had bought an s-video cable when I was a kid; it's loads better.

(Your mileage may vary. It's entirely possible that this brand has gone downhill since I bought these about two years ago; they might be shit now. Also, while of course a PVM doesn't do this, some low-end TVs will take an s-video input and be barely better than composite once it's spit out by the electron guns. Good luck out there!)

>>1491741
Garage sales and good will. Gw's around here always have a few. Quality can vary of course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcTK0VYIaKk

XM29 Plus scanline glory. Now my PVM doesn't feel as awesome.

Can someone list the good brands of old CRT TVs? So far I have seen you talking about Sony, Panasonic and Philips here, are those all good brands what other are out there? I mean preferrably 4:3 resolution CRT's.

>>1493078
s/brand/model/

>>1492126
All it does is it squeezes the image so that you can stretch it on a 16:9 screen. It would have been nice if the FoV actually changed.

Jet Force Gemini is 16:9 by default.

>>1493078
Just get anything cheap at the size and inputs you want. Even the best ones might be old and crappy and even cheap ones might look pretty good if they're smallish with low hours.

>>1493078
Anything that was particularly expensive new has a good chance of being decent still. Aperature grill CRTs, pvm's, etc.

With age, so many things can go wrong, the most important point is to develop an eye for checking them out. Learn what can go wrong and how to look for it.

The set is a Sony KV-14M1B.

I'm using a Sony power supply in my SNES now, the video quality is a lot better than this piece of shit:
http://www.gaminggenerations.com/store/images/retro_AC_Adapter.jpg

The only value it has is the plug.

So I literally just bought a Samsung flat screen CRT a couple weeks ago and now the color is fucked up on the sides because I moved it. Is it a lost cause? I paid $20 for it. I'll post pics if necessary.

Monitor: GDM-5510
Line doubler: Extron Andora

It's not as bad as it looks, but I could fix the interlacing effect (it puts the previous field in the current frame) with a scanline generator. But, I'm worried that it will continuously block every other field, effectively halving the framerate.

Another option is doing away with the line doubler and somehow doubling the framerate to sync at the actual 240p.

Computer+Emulators can do this, and I'm not sure if there's a converter solution for actual consoles.

>>1496404
here it is

>>1496446

>>1496378
I don't understand this at all.

>>1496404
>>1496446
Oh man, is that a SlimFit?

Don't buy Korean CRT TVs, man. MAN, don't do it. OH MAN.

>>1496456
How do you know if it's korean?

>>1496469
Samsung is a Korean manufacturer. Their PC monitors were/are fine (even good), but I never saw a Samsung CRT TV that I liked. Especially those SlimFit models they had in later years.

>>1496479
Well shit. Is there a way to fix the color though?

>>1496484
All you did was move it? Did you move it to/from a location where it was close to some unshielded speakers by chance? You might just need to degauss it. You could look that up for more info.

>>1496446
How far did you move it?
1. Make sure there is nothing with a strong magnetic field near the TV (such as external speakers).
2. Look for a "Degauss" option in the TV's OSD menu (not all CRTs have it).
3. Leave the TV off for several minutes or more, than turn it back on. You should hear a brief 60Hz hum when you turn the TV on. If you don't, then the degaussing circuit may have malfunctioned, which would explain the color splotches.

>>1496449
been a while since I agreed with the usage of this macro

>>1496479
Temporarily using a SyncMaster913v LCD and it's A LOT better than my Toshiba LCD TV for obvious reasons. Is there a Dreamcast CD with tools for getting the best color scheme possible? Unless the Resident Evil 2 monitor calibration tool is good enough.

Got this sexy son of a bitch at an auction pretty much for free. It's a Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 74SB. Emulation on it beats the absolute SHIT out of the SyncMaster LCD to the right of it. Especially with a custom 240p modeline.

>>1496446
Buy a degaussing coil. You can make one of your own I guess, but you should be able to find one pretty cheap and it will do better than whatever is built in. 90% sure that will fix the issue with enough degaussing sessions.

>>1496419
Someone tell me if I'm wrong, but I THINK that if 240p is drawn at 480i, which is twice the size... Then adding scanlines (overlaying lines for every other line) with a scanline generator would halve the resolution, leaving you back with 1x. Basically no information is lost.

For example, if you use a scanline filter, you'll have to upscale it to 2x before blocking every line. Any lower than that and you start to lose visual information.

An Extron Andora handles a 240p signal as 480i, and puts another field into the frame, to make it 480p. I'm not exactly sure what's in every other line, but the entire thing still went 2 times the size by handling 240p as 480i. So, using a scanline generator to block every other line on a weaved image, won't cause any loss in visual data.

Just got a Toshiba cz27v51 for free off craigslist.
No remote, and the top left corner of the case has a crack in it, but it works fine, the glass is clean, and just as importantly, fits in my new media center.

Anyone heard anything about it? Is it good, bad, meh?
Haven't had a chance to hook it up yet, thus my questions about it.

>>1496972
It has component, is SD, and lets you turn color temp to warm before configuring everything else. I like it.

>>1496983
I like that its got a fucking massive screen.
One thing that I noticed is that this thing is that it has more curve to it than pic related, which is saying quite a bit thanks to that random /vr/ troll thread.
Does that affect the picture any way? I just went from a flat screened CRT, so I'm worried about viewing angles and whatnot.

Also, you said it has component, I noticed a blue input and an extra red, but no green, does that mean I just put the green into the yellow?
I mean it looks like a standard component input, just instead of a green it has a yellow.

27in Sony Trinitron for free being offered to me for free. Said they've had it for 20 years. Should I pick this up or am I going to regret lugging this thing to my house and have it break in a few years?

It only has composite and I never plan on modding my consoles for RGB or even S-Video.

>>1497017
>free
>regret
let me repeat that for you
>free
>regret
that not good enough? How about,
>trinitron
>free
>a few years
>free

>>1497030
ha fair enough.

Additional details it's a KV-27TS20. So very early 90's. Looks like most of the image adjustment is done on the front panel manually rather than in a menu. Any advantage or disadvantage to this?

>>1496995
It could indeed be that the yellow plug doubles as both a composite port and a Y component port. I know on some TVs, it's the other way around, where the green port doubles as composite.

This guy...

>>1497017

Theyll turn it on to show him it works, he'll take one quick look at it and call it good.

Get that thing home and it'll take all of two minutes to realize there's convergence/ghosting, the picture is skewed and has black gaps on the side and top.

>Might've happened to me.
>Maybe not

>>1497056
oh man. posts like this make me not want to make the effort...

The last trini I picked up the picture was all skewed so i've been scared to lug another one to my house.

>>1497056
>>1497078
>get tv for free
>take to your house
>find out it doesn't work
>complain instead of just putting it on the curb for someone else to take
It's fucking free, if you have other business to attend to in the direction of its current location, then you're not even wasting any gas to pick it up.
Wost case scenario, it puts a slight indent on the cushion of your car seat for about an hour, maybe two tops.
Just grab it up on the way to/from work or a store. Are you really so weak that you cant just pick up the tv and carry it to your car?
I just got a 32 inch today for free as well >>1496972
And you know what, I got it all by myself without breaking a sweat. I even had to take a stupid fucking tv cabinet that's too small for any reasonable use.

So did that dude ever pick that RCA Dimensia?

>>1497098
being this mad

What is a good CRT that is 15" or smaller?
Also, it would be nice if it has YPbPr input, but that is not a necessity.

>>1497078
I finally got a good one, and it was definitely worth it, but damn that first one was a fucking pain.

Just my two cents but TV's dont age like fine wine. Newer the better. A little $20 DVD player and a test pattern dvd can goa long way.

>>1497127
There's lots of small Sony PVMs going around on eBay.

And you can get a SCART/VGA to YPbPr converter, it's more or less a direct conversion

>>1497098
Some people value their time. Driving halfway across town to pickup a heavy assed set just to throw it away is a complete fucking waste.

Never mind the HOA will have a shit fit about garbage laying in the street.

>>1496950
Try some Atomiswave emulation on that, or connect a PS2 in 480p mode for Guilty Gear. Beautiful.

>>1491939

Yeah, if I want super thick scanlines and a dim image.

High speed PC CRT monitors are the lowest-tier of acceptable retro CRT displays.

But they do have on-screen controls for a lot of shit, so gotta give them that.

>>1497141
>Driving halfway across town
what, 10 minutes too much for you?
>living anywhere with an HOA
>giving up your property rights for no reason
Why would anyone want to do that?
Fuck them, besides, they dont know its garbage unless they take it and test to see if it works.
Where I live, anything on the curb and not in a trashcan is assumed to be free, and the Mexican kids two blocks down will have run off with it within a few minutes.
Seriously, if it doesn't work to your standards, just write free on some paper and tape it to it. Or if its functional, but not working 100%, or just not as good as what you already have, then put it up on Craigslist for five or ten dollars.

hello,

A relative of mine is giving me "Samsung ws32w64n" CRT TV for free, I tried to look something up on internet but didn't seem to find anything about that specific model.. Anyone have something to tell me about this?

>>1497153
>>Yeah, if I want super thick scanlines and a dim image.
>what is line doubled mode

>High speed PC CRT monitors are the lowest-tier of acceptable retro CRT displays.

lol no. PC CRT monitors can give you picture quality 100x better than any CRT TV. The only advantage of CRT TVs is that it natively accepts input from real consoles. With emulation, that hold no meaning since you can do it any way you want on a PC.

>>1499314
>The only advantage of CRT TVs is that it natively accepts input from real consoles.
Point, game, set, match, tournament to CRT TVs.

>>1499353

Real consoles suck though, emulation is far more convenient, far more flexible, and works fine when emulators are reasonably accurate.

>>1499361
oh ok.

>>1499361
I hear this a lot from pirates and entitled poor people.

>>1499528
They're more than willing to conform to shitty standards.

Back on topic:
I can't find any damn TVs with VGA input in my area. What's a good 4:3 CRT monitor with VGA input? looking for at least a 19" or bigger.

>>1499612
Is this for Dreamcast?

>>1499612

CRT televisions with VGA input are incredibly rare. And most of them are fixed frequency displays only capable of 640x480 or 800x600.

Are you sure you don't mean RGBHV over BNC connectors? That's pretty much the same thing, and much more usable.

>>1499314

PC monitors are designed to be low-luminosity displays in order to save the eysight of the user. You will never find as bright and colorful image from one as you will have from a television or production monitor.

>>1499646
Also, I have owned numerous PC CRT monitors such as GDM-5510, P1110, Samsung Syncmaster, and FW-900. And I've done the whole 120mzh BFI thing. It looks pretty good.

But it doesn't hold a candle to a PVM/BVM.

Best thing about those PC monitors is the digital convergence adjustment.

byuu.org

>Goodbye, Mozilla

top lel

someone is a butthurt faggot, literally,

>>1497206
I can see we come from vastly different places.

Unfortunately free doesn't make something valuable to me and I enjoy the accommodations provided by the HOA. Playgrounds, swimming pool, etc.

>>1499748
apparently.

>>1499754
lel, this reminds me of playing SNES through the monochrome viewfinder of my early '90s Hi8 camcorder via S-video. My eyes would be screwed up afterward because one was staring at a bright LCD for a long time and the other one wasn't.

I was weird.

>>1499625
Yes, this is for a Dreamcast.

>>1498250
bumb for this

>>1484416

If you must, try to find the 4:3 HD models.

At least that way you can maintain aspect ratio while also having a HD set(that looks good with old anime remasters) + 6th and 7th gen.

>>1499353
With CRT TVs, you're stuck with rectangular pixels. That's why the aspect ratio for Game Boy games and Game Boy Advance games played on a Super Game Boy and Game Boy Advance Player, respectively, are always wrong since both used square pixels.
With a PC CRT, you can have both square and rectangular pixels.

Also, emulators are just getting more and more accurate. There's already bsnes, and cen64 is in the works. Just take a look at the Emulation General Wiki for all the other accurate emulators. Eventually, no one will really have a need for the actual consoles apart from collecting.

>>1499528
Or, you know, from people who prefer to have all their media conveniently centralized over having a clusterfuck of wires and cartridges laying about or stashed somewhere, taking up space.

>>1498250
>>1500419
I want to see you get help on this too, anon. I looked up that model number yesterday for you and only got hits for remote controls. I even wondered if that was a remote control part number instead of the model number of a TV, but I think I saw one page that made it seem like it was a European TV model with a few details.

Good luck.

>>1500406
I can't stand watching sports on a CRT

>>1500423
16:9 CRT HDTVs have 4:3 modes that make it a little less important which you choose. However I also do prefer 4:3 CRT HDTVs personally, since CRTs were mostly limited in size horizontally. That means 16:9 models tended to be vertically-reduced (not horizontally-extended) versions of 4:3 models, and would show 4:3 content in a much reduced size compared to an actual 4:3 model of the same width.

>>1500514
I love sports on my CRT HDTVs. Even simple deinterlaced 480i sports doesn't look too bad on them. But I agree, it's a little hard to go back to watching sports on an actual SDTV

>>1500478
>Eventually, no one will really have a need for the actual consoles apart from collecting.

>a clusterfuck of wires and cartridges laying about or stashed somewhere, taking up space.

Entitled poor pirate spotted. At the very least, if you wanted to be taken seriously, you could add lying to your list of degenerate behavior and just say you format-shift the games you actually own for the sake of technical flexibility. But all you're saying is that you're a proud freeloading loser.

Please keep all your happy piracy talk out of the /crt/ thread in the future.

>>1500510
yeah I'm from Finland and so is the TV. I hoped you guys could help me with this. I can post pics too when I get it.

>>1500623
:)

A couple days ago a Finnish anon mentioned pesäpallo and American baseball being played in Finland on /sp/, which we all found very interesting. So out of a new-found sense of camaraderie with your country I did a little more searching just now and still couldn't find many specs. The only real details are that it's a widescreen with a curved tube and stereo sound. It supposedly also has DNR but no progressive scan (though that's not from any official source).

Also found a small handful of pics.

Not much else to say otherwise, sorry. Adding a hyphen (WS-32W64N) added a few more hits but still not much.

>>1500591
Butthurt reseller detected

>>1500689
Thank you so much for helping me. I'm very new to this whole scene so is curved tube, DNR, progressive scan good or bad features?

>>1500941
>curved tube
This is fine. Actually some people prefer it because of perceived problems with older flat tubes.

>DNR
Mostly unnecessary. It would be nice if this can be turned on and off like on some TVs.

>progressive scan
If this TV lacks progressive scan (480p and up) then that's actually not bad at all for retro systems. Hopefully it can do 240p though.

I don't have experience with European TVs or their standards, so I'm hoping a European user can chime in here with more info. From what it looks like to me, though, as long as you can switch the TV into a 4:3 mode, it should work well for /vr/ consoles.

>>1500478
>With CRT TVs, you're stuck with rectangular pixels.
>CRT TVs
>rectangular pixels
Nigga, you just went full retard.

>consoles
>cartridges
>taking up space.
That's idiotic.
I do understand the need to emulate (bigass) computers and arcade machines but most consoles are quite small and common compared to them.

>>1500591
Are resellers really getting this upset over emulation?

Because playing Earthbound for free using emulation instead of paying $300 from some reseller doesn't mean you're poor, it means you're intelligent enough not to waste money on overpriced cartridges sold by scam artists.

>mfw connecting my CRT to my computer with S-video
>mfw I see people complain about that not being "pixel perfect 240p"
>mfw I can't tell the difference between it and real consoles
>mfw no face

I find the whole CRT fetish to be meh anyway. It's nice but nothing spectacular.

no more off-topic discussion in /crt/ please

>>1500406

>>1501036
The big issue is that without hacky workarounds, PCs can only output 480i to CRT TVs. Many see this as an issue because interlaced content is flickery, not to mention the fact that it's inaccurate, as old games output at non-interlaced 240p or variations thereof.

>>1501028
that, I could never understand why people would spend stupid money on second hand shit. I mean it's not like the content creator is getting anything back anyways.

>>1501215
>>1501121

>>1501215
>>1501294
lel

>>1501040

Testing out my Toshiba screen - snes hooked up with composite.

Any thoughts?

>>1501318
Another one, closeup of the window

>>1500591
There was no need for him to say that. You were able to obviously able to infer it from what he wrote, otherwise you couldn't have brought it up, but you assert that he should've explicitly stated it just because you want to be a little fag about it.

I think you're just upset because you've spent $1000+ on old video games and found out you didn't have to. Paying that much for video games is irresponsible. Please, learn to be more responsible with your money, like an adult.

>>1501136
What kind of hacky workarounds?

>>1501334
>Implying any of us HAVE TO play video games at all
I think most of us got our consoles back when you were a boo boo bottle babby, when they were cheap.

>>1500952
Thank you again man.

>>1501334
I always love this logic, the assumption that hardcore collectors are somehow oblivious to emulation and saying "y don't u emulate?" will somehow rock their world and introduce them to something they never knew about. It is thanks to collectors that people like you can play games for free. Games don't just dump themselves, and irritable freeloaders are why you get people who horde prototypes or other undumped software.

Got 32 inch CRT for free. Testing SNES on it.

The big size of the picture took a bit to get used to but I'm really liking it now.

>>1501797
>emulation
meh

>>1501809

>>1501809
>>1501836
rekt

>>1501836
how is that fake everdrive? I'm thinking of picking one up.

>>1501836
>China ver.
Is it a replica, or an actual everdrive?

>mfw I shelled out $360 for an sd2snes
Aything imported over $33 is heavily taxed..

>>1501362
>Back in the day when cheap
Fucking $200 for a new SNES.
Have to sell off your nes to split cost with parents.

$50 for a SNES is cheap!

>>1501870
>>1501873
I paid $70 and it's exactly the same as the first Everdrive

>>1501878
Right. He made those for poor chinamen though, too bad they are rebounding.

The sd2snes is sleek though, it'll last for years. I also like to support the creator of these great flashcarts, even if it costs a bit more.
Got the mega everdrive on the way, N8 or N64 cart next sometime this summer.

>>1501897
It's a shame the developer abandoned sd2snes, so it won't support any more enhancement chips. So you'll still have to buy Star Fox, etc.

>>1501903
Yeah, it's a shame.
I can live with having to buy - at least the worthwihle titles - off ebay. Other than that, there's really no ETA on when they're adding more chips - or if they're ever going to.
JUst couldn't risk not getting my sd2snes before summer.. so many games to catch up with..

>>1501929
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJfzQetP7HA

http://www.tototek.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=40

Just found out about this. you plug this in between your flash cart and an actual game with an enhancement chip, and you can play any ROM that uses that chip.

You'd only need about 8 or so actual cartridges to play every game, or less if sequel chips are backwards compatible. (ie: playing Star Fox 1 with the Super FX 2 chip, or Pilotwings with DSP-1B)

>>1501797

Very nice 480p image

>>1502028
I'm still waiting on my scanline generator to "un-double" the image.

>>1501873
>I shelled out $360 for an sd2snes
I only payed $200 for my SD2SNES from RetroGate in the Ukraine. I was planning on getting a bunch of EverDrives from them, but I'll have to wait for the Crimea stuff to finish.

>>1501929
I can live without SA1 and SuperFX support. I already have 4 out of the 5 games I want that have those chips.

>>1501956
Kool, but doesn't seem to work with an sd2snes.
I'm prolly just gonna grab some cheap smfc carts for the unsupported games

>>1502229
Got mine at stoneagegamer -- slightly more expensive at $260 but with a nice cart shell, box, etc. The ~$100 import tax burns a bit though

>>1502362
>The ~$100 import tax burns a bit though
So... you paid $260, PLUS $100?
fuck.

>>1502367
can I get some confirmation on this?
I was going to get one from retrogate but if I'll have to pay a huge import tax then I'll have to go somewhere else.

>>1502445
It may depend on your country. I'm in the United States and I didn't pay any import tax at all when I ordered from RetroGate. It was just under $200, including shipping.

>>1502473
fhew, ok good.
I was about to shit myself that I'd need to pay an extra hundred just to ship to the US.

>>1502482
Yeah sry about that, meant importing to Yurop. Seems kinda silly, as it's a 'double import'.. But yeah..

Will this get along with a Dreamcast? I am in posession of a few games that have widescreen support but wanted to check in with you guys.

>>1502763
The selller posted no model information, but I requested a visit to check out the TV.

>>1501040
>>1501040
>>1501040
>>1501040
>>1501040

>>1501836
>doublescan
That's why it looked like PC based emulation to me.
Good thing that my good old TV doesn't do that.

I wonder, is it possible to use a PC CRT monitor as a TV? When I had an old eMachines and played Fullscreen NES games with NESter, I liked how it looked. Can computer CRT monitors be used in a similar way as PVMs?

>>1503285
>I wonder, is it possible to use a PC CRT monitor as a TV?
Most PC monitors require at least 31khz horizontal, where TVs mostly work with 15khz only.

>Can computer CRT monitors be used in a similar way as PVMs?
Mostly not, but external upscalers could make it possible.

>>1501797 here
Pic of Neo Geo AES with RGB and RGB mod

>>1503274
With VGA monitors, there's two options:

- Line doubler and scanline generator (blocks every other line to undouble the resolution)
- Run 320x240 at 120hz by doubling the framerate or using a PC source

>>1503285
See >>1503358

Get this before it goes: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extron-Andora-Scan-Doubler-/130984153765?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e7f4392a5

Don't get it if you're OK with using a PC source. (If you have Nvidia drivers, force the resolution to your console's res, and put the refresh rate at 120hz)

>>1503321
Oh damn it, thanks anyway.

I got a CRT TV and the dark areas seems to have lighter pixels surrounding them, almost like ghosting.

Any settings to fix this?

>>1502763
>>1502765
If it has S-video at least, it should work fine. Obviously not ideal, since the Dreamcast can do better than that through VGA, but it should still be decent.

>>1491939
That's a good solution if the screen is sharp enough, then you could use it in place of a Nanao arcade monitor. Then, you'd just need a scanline generator, or simply just run it at 120hz.

>>1503420
Apparently nobody is answering that email I sent for the widescreen CRT but I did find a 4:3 HD one.

The model is a KV-32HS51 and I scheduled a visit for this weekend. Can I do a straight VGA => DVI with a plug converter?

>>1503507
No. That DVI input looks to be digital-only. Your best bet would be a VGA to component transcoder.

>>1503513
Since it's $35, would it still be worth it just for the other ports; S-Video, Composite, Component and maybe RF?

>>1503547
The composite output is good, but if you don't need a TV like that, then don't get it. I could fill my room with cheap TVs if I wanted to.

>>1503547
The component input is good, but if you don't need a TV like that, then don't get it. I could fill my room with cheap TVs if I wanted to. Only get the best CRTs that money can buy, that you can find.

>>1491939
but do you know any syncdoublers that will convert 15kHz/60Hz to 31kHz/120Hz?

>>1503568
Not him, but it really depends on where you're going with it. New, modern and sharp CRTs (with RGB input) give the most authentic experience for arcade games.

In that case, you might as well use emulation, because arcade boards are expensive. Outputting at 120hz is easy.

If you're only playing an SNES, then you're going to want a CRT made before or around 1990 for an authentic experience. It wouldn't make sense to get a PVM to play late 90s 2D arcade games, since arcade machines never used them.

If you want to play an SNES console on the highest quality CRT you can find, then yeah, you'd want a refresh doubler, or a line doubler + scanline generator. As far as I know, there's no such thing as an analog refresh doubler, you'd have to bug the engineers at system11 or neo-geo.com to design one.

>>1503547
>hs510
It's an HDTV. If you want it for Dreamcast via VGA->component or a newer system that does 480p or higher it's nice, otherwise let someone else have it.

>>1503507
>HD crt
dont bother with it

>>1503589
Analog refresh doubler is pretty much impossible. Maybe you could build something with delay line memories but I can't think of any obvious way. Refresh doubling requires frame buffering, and therefore always add latency.

And scanlines are ugly, if I wanted to use real hardware I'd use a line doubler without scanline generation.

>>1491038
>I'm no expert but I do believe I've read that sony pvm's will take component as well as rgb.

You believe incorrectly. There's PVMs with composite-only inputs, and ones with RGB but no YPbBr.

I got a kinda odd question, but is anyone still making CRT displays at all?
I've not seen any for sale in stores for at least 3 years now.

>>1503752
>Refresh doubling requires frame buffering, and therefore always add latency.
Why not just double the lines?
http://elm-chan.org/works/sc/report.html
I'm sure that this connected to a CRT will work with the zapper (and other simple light guns) but not with more advanced light guns like the super scope.
The input delay would be a single scanline and it wouldn't be too hard to add support for "muh 240p scanlines".

>>1503752
Well, I don't know much, but I think a refresh doubler could be possible if you just take in the input and make it go twice as fast.

As the VGA draws the line, so does the refresh doubler. Then when it finishes drawing the line.... wait fuck yeah you're right.

>>1503758
Erroneous

>>1500128
The viewfinder on a camcorder of that era would have been a CRT

>>1501836
Is that a Sun GDM-5510 or some different rebrand?

>>1503776
no

>>1503776
neat

>>1503778
Maybe I need to clarify: There are many PVMs which do RGB and YPbPr, especially later models (mid '90s and later), but there are also many that do RGB but no YPbBr (e.g. probably any combination of PVM-xx42), and also lower-end models with only composite and s-video

>>1503807
I have not experienced a camcorder from the early '90s that did not have a monocrhome CRT viewfinder, so please explain your "no". Colour LCD viewfinders were not around until probably the late '90s, and had shitty resolution.

>>1503752
>Analog refresh doubler is pretty much impossible.

An analog refresh doubler could be possible if it borrows information from the previous frame.

As the input VGA starts drawing the lines, the refresh doubler mirrors that and starts drawing the the lines to the screen. When the input-VGA reaches to the 50% mark of one frame, the refresh doubler will have already been done with one entire frame, so borrows the bottom half of the previous input frame and draws that. Then, it borrows the first half of the current input-frame and draws that again. Then, it syncs up back with the input-VGA in drawing the second half of the frame. Over and over.

There would be an artifact, but I can't imagine what it would look like. The other option is just duplicating each frame, so that there's half a frame of latency.

>And scanlines are ugly, if I wanted to use real hardware I'd use a line doubler without scanline generation.

Then you'd have interlacing artifacts, since it uses the previous frame to fill in the blanks. It isn't bad, though. You just gotta choose between ugly scanlines, artifacts or full-blown scaling. (which reduces video quality and increases input latency) See >>1496419

>>1503786
Yes, GDM-5510. AFAIK it's the highest quality computer monitor from what I've seen personally.

>>1503818
man are you slow or what

>>1503837
>GDM-5510
>130 kHz horizontal scan rate
I envy you greatly.

>>1503854
Yeah, it's pretty cool. You can force 2560x1920 with ordinary graphics cards.

>>1503752
>Analog refresh doubler is pretty much impossible.

An analog refresh doubler could be possible if it doubles each frame. Then there'd be half a frame of input latency, which shouldn't be perceptible.

>And scanlines are ugly, if I wanted to use real hardware I'd use a line doubler without scanline generation.

Then you'd have interlacing artifacts, since it uses the previous frame to fill in the blanks. It isn't bad, though. You just gotta choose between ugly scanlines, artifacts or full-blown scaling. (which reduces video quality and increases input latency) See >>1496419

>>1503786
Yes, GDM-5510. AFAIK it's the highest quality computer monitor from what I've seen personally.

On CRT monitors, what is the generally recommended color temperature to set them as? I assume it should be at 6500k if it's primarily used for emulating?

>>1503864
Yeah I've got a GDM-5510 but moved to a 27" 120 Hz LCD for my PC and no longer have the desk space for that beast and the PVM. Getting suitable resolutions for emulators was an awful lot of work (AMD shit has no custom resolution menu, so had to edit the registry), but the results sure were sweet.

>>1503868
Yeah, 6500K for normal viewing.

>>1503879
I have AMD as well. There's a nifty tool called Custom Resolution Utility, which I used to get ultrawide 120Hz 240p on my CRT.

That said, I would like to know how to go about doing the same through the registry anyway, if you wouldn't mind sharing that information. Also, what modelines did you manage to create?

>>1503891
It's been a while, but I think I did something like this:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1605511

I usually used double the resolution at double the vertical refresh, e.g. 512x448 @ 120 Hz for NES. Looked pretty good, just with double the normal scanlines.

Some emulators had trouble with 120 Hz though - some would fail at v-sync or not run smoothly for other reasons.

I have a decade old regular 17" Samsung CRT computer monitor in the basement. I'm curious to see how would emulators look on it in 320x240 fullscreen? I know its not the best option, but is it significantly better then LCD? Should i bother with it or not?

>>1484737
God damn that's a tiny girl.

>>1503948
I think it looks good, but there's several caveats to it. For one, the black lines are very thick and noticeable, especially if you're close to the monitor. Secondly, the image is very bright, but because getting 240p requires setting the refresh rate to 120Hz, there might be some frame doubling, leading to mild ghosting, which may or may not be distracting. If you can add black frame insertion (RetroArch has an option for it), it essentially brings it back down to 60Hz, which eliminates the ghosting and presents smooth motion, but it halves the overall brightness of the image, and if you encounter frame drops, it will be extremely noticeable, as you'll see the screen brighten for a frame or so out of nowhere.

>>1503864
By doubling each frame, the refresh doubler will update the screen every time the input signal finishes one half of a frame.

Example:

1. Input signal (60hz) draws 100% of frame1. Output signal (120hz) kicks in and draws frame1.
2. Input signal (60hz) draws 0-50% of frame2, Output signal (120hz) draws 0-100% of frame1 again.
3. Input signal (60hz) draws 50-100% of frame2. Output signal (120hz) draws 0-50% of frame2 and 50-100% of frame1.
4. Input signal (60hz) draws 0-50% of frame3. Output signal (120hz) draws 0-100% of frame2.
5. Input signal (60hz) draws 50-100% of frame3. Output signal (120hz) draws 0-50% of frame3 and 50-100% of frame2.
6. Input signal (60hz) draws 0-50% of frame4. Output signal (120hz) draws 0-100% of frame3.
7. Repeat

>>1503954
She's pretty average sized 5'4" 120 pounds

>>1504007
Alternatively, just keep duplicating frames until the input signal pushes out a complete frame. Then it would be one full frame of input latency.

>>1503969
Thank you. I will try it out.

>>1503589
>If you're only playing an SNES, then you're going to want a CRT made before or around 1990 for an authentic experience. It wouldn't make sense to get a PVM to play late 90s 2D arcade games, since arcade machines never used them.

What a load of elitist bullshit. I had a day 1 release SNES as a kid and went through many CRT TV's for the next decade and none of them look more "authentic" or proper than another. If you want to get really authentic, then you have to emulate the kid playing on mom & dad's Sears special through an RF adapter daisy chained to a VCR.

FWIW, one of the best looking CRT's I ever had was a Hitachi 32" set that was 'HD Ready'. One of the few 1080i 4:3 CRT's ever made.

Comparison between cga2vga and Extron Andora:

This is from an Extron Andora. Details are preserved and it looks like an accurate representation of the original signal.

This is from a cga2vga. It's clearly been digitally scaled by 2x with bilinear filtering. On the plus side, it's actually a resizing of the original signal. Details are lost, colors are different, pixels seem to blend into each other. Slightly unclear. But, it isn't bad for $30, and it would look better for PS2 games.

>>1504259
>What a load of elitist bullshit.

tl;dr. Welcome to the /vr/ CRT thread!

>>1504259
>then you have to emulate the kid playing on mom & dad's Sears special through an RF adapter daisy chained to a VCR
I can confirm this is 100% accurate.

>>1504259
What's wrong with a PVM?

>>1504259
Are you a time traveller? Playing an SNES on an HDTV (lol) isn't authentic by any stretch of the imagination. It may look better (or worse), but it's still hardware that was way after its time.

It's like playing an NES on an Oculus Rift, and claim that it's no more authentic than using an actual television that was around when the NES was released.

>>1504259
Are you a time traveller? Playing an SNES on an HDTV (lol) isn't authentic by any stretch of the imagination. It may look better (or worse), but it's still hardware that was way after its time.

It's like playing an NES on an Oculus Rift, and claiming that it's no less realistic than using an actual television that was around when the NES was released, just because it looks better in your opinion.

>>1504276
anon pls

/crt/ isn't about elitism or autism or anything other than wanting to experience games under specific viewing conditions that we all prefer for one reason or another. It's not for everyone because not everyone cares for or notices the differences, but those people can feel free to ignore the thread and enjoy games however they like.

>>1504259
>One of the few 1080i 4:3 CRT's ever made.
One of the few an ignoramus like you would know about. There were plenty.

>>1504310
It's still pretty funny to see someone compare his new 32" HDTV to a PVM.

>>1504310
are you kidding. So much elitism in /vr/ it's fucking rediculous at times

>>1504460
Elitism isn't knowing the difference between two things.

Guys, I'm browsing the market for a Sony PVM and I came across a 1944Q that is in my price range.

I realize that the 19 means 19 inches, but what about the 44 and Q? Anyone have any experience with this model?

>>1503385
Still asking

>>1503864
>An analog refresh doubler could be possible if it doubles each frame.
Which requires buffering the frame, which in practice is only possible with digital memory.

>Then you'd have interlacing artifacts, since it uses the previous frame to fill in the blanks.
There's no reason why you can't line double progressive scan 240p. XRGB-3 can do this with low latency when you're using VGA output (theoretically it's possible with only half a line of latency although I don't know if it does it that fast).

>You just gotta choose between ugly scanlines, artifacts or full-blown scaling.
You do not.

>>1505389
>Which requires buffering the frame, which in practice is only possible with digital memory.

You are wrong here, and you do not know how a line doubler works.

>There's no reason why you can't line double progressive scan 240p. XRGB-3 can do this with low latency when you're using VGA output (theoretically it's possible with only half a line of latency although I don't know if it does it that fast).

XRGB3 isn't a line doubler. A line doubler works by taking in one line and outputting two lines. It doesn't do any sort of scaling.

>You do not.

True, there's emulating.

>>1505389
>Which requires buffering the frame, which in practice is only possible with digital memory.

You are wrong here, and you do not know how a line doubler works.

>There's no reason why you can't line double progressive scan 240p. XRGB-3 can do this with low latency when you're using VGA output (theoretically it's possible with only half a line of latency although I don't know if it does it that fast).

A line doubler works by taking in one line and outputting two lines. It doesn't do any sort of scaling.

>You do not.

True, there's emulating.

>>1505389
See >>1504007

No framebuffer needed.

>>1504881
>PVM-1944Q
>I realize that the 19 means 19 inches, but what about the 44 and Q?

The first '4' is the series it is part of - the PVM-xx4x series were launched in the late '80s and continued production until some time around the mid-'90s. The successor to these may have been the M series (e.g. PVM-20M4, PVM-14M2).

The last digit signifies the specifications within that series of monitors, where higher is usually better. Assuming it's the same as the 13"/14" models then '4' means it has RGB/YPbPr inputs and a Super Fine Pitch picture tube, but no digital RGB input (useless in most cases anyway).

The 'Q' means it's a multi-standard monitor, so will automatically switch between PAL, NTSC 3.58, NTSC 4.43 or SECAM depending on the input (there are lights on the front panel to indicate what is in use). Note: These monitors cannot handle PAL-60.

>>1505417
>>1503589 was talking about "refresh doubler" as distinct from "line doubler", which means it is doubling vertical refresh rate (doubling the horizontal refresh is the same as line doubling), which means it requires buffering a whole frame.

>True, there's emulating.
Line doubling looks identical to emulated 2x nearest.

Happy DAY!

Genesis SCART cable and RGB transcoder came in the mail.

I'm not the pickiest guy in the world with equipment so I was expecting it to be a bit of a let down. Like you could tell the difference in screen shots but wouldn't notice it in game.

I think I was actually wrong. I can't tell too much difference with the colors, but the overall sharpness and detail you can't miss. It looks like it's being played on a computer CRT rather than on a blurry assed TV. Really surprised how much better it looks.

>>1506598
Just wanted to add to it that not only didn't the color get all washed out, it looks a hell of a lot better. The colors aren't blended together or nothing.

>>1506414
I really appreciate the in-depth response. Thank you, anon.

I may as well post this here. There's a set of two identical Sony PVM 1944Q's going for $150 total on Portland, Oregon's craigslist. If someone was interested in going halves I would be in, but I won't be able to afford the whole $150 myself.

>>1506414

Thanks for these info anon. Do you know what the M of the QM on PVM-1444QM stand for too?

>>1501345

Hacking your graphics card drivers to output 15khz through VGA/DVI-A port

>>1501136
>The big issue is that without hacky workarounds, PCs can only output 480i to CRT TVs.
Also non-/vr/ resolutions like 1080p, 1080i, 720p, etc. (common stuff enabled by the TV encoder, not flexible

>>1507414
I believe 'M' on PVMs of this era means it's a 230 V version, with EBU-grade phosphors if it's an SFP Trinitron (like 1442QM and 1444QM). I'm not sure if these are just for the European market or all 230 V markets.

One other obvious difference is US models from this era use visible screen area whereas the Euro models use the total screen size (as is the custom here), so for example your PVM-1444QM would have the same screen size and other specs as the US PVM-1344Q.

I can't remember the last time I used a CRT. I'm going to make an 'old computer' battlestation in my room, do you guys have a list of recommended CRTs that will work with a wide range of inputs?

>>1507872

Thanks, I own a 1444QM, and I alway wondered why some model have the M and others no.

>>1507902

When you say "old computer", you'll include non-IBM clones or only PC-compatibles? In the first case, you can get a Commodore 1084-S monitor, it has:
An Analog RGB input for the Commodore Amiga, a TTL RGB input for the Commodore 128 and IBM/Clones with CGA/EGA chipset, and an Y/C input (S-video before it was called S-video and with 2 RCA jack instead of a Din jack) for your Commodore 64/VIC-20 (???)/Maybe Apple II.

>>1507925
Thanks for the suggestion. I've seen 1702s on craigslist and yardsales but I've never seen a 1084. And there's only 1 or 2 on ebay, so I guess I'll need to post on the amiga marketplace forum.

>>1507970

Check on Amibay, someone in the US must have one.

>>1507981
I will, thanks. I have no idea what prices would be, so could you give me a range for a fair deal?

>>1508015

Can't tell, I got my 1085S-D3 for 10€, but it has less inputs and is easier to find as I'm a Yurobro. I have no idea for US-bros. However, the ones this guy is selling seems to have a good price (25$ is pretty cool for a working, 80s monitor with analog AND TTL RGB input):
http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=54640&highlight=1084

>>1506414
I own a 1440QM and I live in PAL-land.
But now I want to connect a NTSC console to it, will it handle 60hz? Or what do you mean with PAL-60?

>>1508475
Yes, because it's a Q it will handle the four colour standards as per >>1506414, and will automatically adjust to 480i60 or 576i50 signals (and generally any signal close enough to either).

If you're using RGB then you don't need to worry about colour systems (PAL/NTSC/SECAM) as they only exist when using RF, composite or s-video.

PAL-60 is a 480i60 signal (like what is normally used with NTSC) but using PAL colour encoding. This was a common method of displaying 60 Hz signals on PAL sets and worked with many TVs, especially those from the late '90s onwards. PAL VCRs and DVD players with NTSC playback would often use this, as would the Dreamcast when playing games in 60 Hz mode. Some older consoles (e.g. MD, PS1) could also be modified to output PAL-60 when playing NTSC games.

My PVM-1442QM interprets PAL-60 as NTSC 4.43, which results in totally screwed up colour. I suspect other PVMs from this era would do the same.

However if you're using RGB then there's nothing to worry about, 60 Hz will work.

>>1504310
Would you shut the fuck up with the god damn "autism" Jesus Christ.

>>1508570
maybe you should read what you're quoting, champ. again or for the first time, whatever

>>1508672
I did and the post that post was quoting said nothing about autism, its fucking unnecessary and stupid to even say.

>>1508681
you're probably agreeing about how stupid it is then

get over it, don't obsess in such an anti-social manner as if you are psychologically incapable of communicating appropriately

Would retro consoles run through a framemeister on a hd crt look good? Would it look better than using the framemeister on a hdtv?

>>1509115
Why do you make a distinction between "HD CRT" and "HDTV?" HD CRT TVs are HDTVs.

>>1509154
Probably because most people assume now HDTV means LCD or Plasma these days

>>1509201
Maybe, but nobody who was paying attention to TVs in the early 2000s makes that mistake.

>>1506731
Yeah that pic is a load of bullshit.

>>1509154
>>1509201
>>1509223
Ya, when I said "HDTVs" I meant LCD and Plasma TVs. I know what the difference is but I thought that everyone would assume that saying HDTV was referring to a Plasma or LCD.

>>1509967
Please don't assume that any more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEWUxv2yUHs

>>1510093

Noice! Thanks for posting anon.

Anyone know where I can get a good s-video to s-video rca cable? (For the 1702) I don't want to buy a cable and end up with a s-video to composite cable.

>>1510093
>Japanese pronouncing Trinitron
>Torinitoron
Goddamn, that sounds hilarious!

>>1510093
I've watched this whole video before, seeing the Trinitron evolve was pretty awesome.

>>1507851
What about if I got an old laptop with s-video out, would there be any way to make it output a decent picture?

>>1511439
That's how their spoken language works. Don't be a bumpkin.

>>1511767
No better than a PC graphics card with S-video out: limited by the card's TV encoder.

>>1511195
It's such an uncommon thing I doubt they were mass-produced, expect for whatever cables were sold by Commodore for connecting their computers to the monitor.

I'd say you'll have to make one yourself. Might be a good time to learn soldering if you haven't already.

>>1496404
Degauss it. Don't own a degausser - use a strong magnet and a drill bit. Check online.

>>1491939
I just picked up one of those. Has ringing in super bright mode and I still have to tweak the ever living shit out of it for geometry distortion like I've never seen. There's about 12 different geometry options to sort through or some shit, it's going to take a long while to get it right. There's also a setting to make circles circular depending on position, which frankly never seemed to be a problem with other monitors I've had anyway. But it is with that one.

>>1512868
>There's also a setting to make circles circular depending on position
That's geometry, and no CRT monitors are perfect with regards to this, but many do not have user adjustments for it.

>>1511195
Here ya go. S-Video to RCA Chroma/Luma.
http://www.cablesnmor.com/w17512.aspx

I just got pic related today for free, its a panasonic tau I dont really know anything about CRTs is it a good one?

Bought a sylvand Emerson EWF2004 crt tv for $5 today, the horizontal and vertical picture is all fucked up though, how do I fix?

>>1513792

Taus are pretty solid CRTs. I've owned mine for about 10 years now. Mine's 16:9, though.

>>1514418
i just got this from work they said they were going to throw it out i doubt it even has 50 hours on it.

I have I think a 27" Trinitron still at my parent's place. Thing was awesome growing up and still probably looks and sounds great, but is heavy as all shit.

I'm looking to buy a small screen I can put on either my glass desk or on a nightstand.

Never heard of Orion, but ten bucks for a 13 inch TV sounds reasonable.

What do you guys think?

I have I think a 20" Trinitron still at my parent's place. Thing was awesome growing up and still probably looks and sounds great, but is heavy as all shit.

I'm looking to buy a small screen I can put on either my glass desk or on a nightstand. I'll also be moving within a year and don't want to lug a 200 pound box around.

Never heard of Orion, but ten bucks for a 13 inch TV sounds reasonable.

What do you guys think?

>>1514450
Also there's a free 14 inch Randex color TV about 20 minutes away.

Thing looks rad as fuck.

>>1514456

>Dat beauty

Get it as soon as possible anon, this set is absolutely gorgeous and will be perfect with an Atari 2600 or a Colecovision!

>>1514461
The thing is I'm a faggot and don't play Atari 2600 or Colecovision.

I could always get a Colecovision...I'll give this guy a call tomorrow though.

I can't find any info on these TVs though, which is troubling.

>>1514468

I don't either, but there's alway a way to start, and this sexy piece of furniture is one of them. Good luck anon.

>>1514468
Here's all the info you need: it's an old TV from the early 80's. Good if you want to have a period piece TV to use for super old consoles like the 2600 or perhaps the NES, but it is otherwise just an old, outdated display, inferior to a TV made in the late 90's or early 2000's.

>>1514478
Yeah, I figured just as much.

I apologize if this is a dumb question, but what sort of input should I expect this thing to have? Would it have a standard a/v input?

I would be plugging a playstation and a gamecube into it.

>>1514484
You would be lucky if it had a standard RF input. Expect this thing to have fucking screws that you have to tighten a UHF box into.

>>1514492
Sheeeeeat. I hope you're wrong.

>>1513154
>and no CRT monitors are perfect with regards to this
To be fair, almost every CRT monitor I've ever had did it well enough that it was never an issue, ever.
It's just funny that this one comes along with an option to fix what has never before been a problem, until now.

>>1483301
w2c that monitor

>>1514450
>>1514484
Honestly, keep the Trinitron. A 20-inch set would be 50-60 pounds, not that heavy. How old do you figure it is?

>>1514450
>Orion
Cheap garbage

>>1514468
>Randex
Never heard of it, though I'm not too familiar with US brands. Judging by the looks it's probably some cheap badge-engineered Korean set from the mid-80s.

>>1514582
I got it around 2001 brand new. I derped, it's closer to 30/32 inches and weighs a ton.

>>1514860
>Orion
Hmm, I'd rather say "serviceable low-end at best." They were one of the biggest and most common of the mediocre OEMs (with rebadges everywhere), but as someone who has owned and used two of their very average TVs, I still wouldn't call them garbage.

>>1516842
Sweet! I love Dr. Mario!

>>1516847
hahahaha

>>1516842

Now THAT's pic related!

I didn't knew the NES Jr. could play famicom games. Does it have the missing Pins on the cartridge port that allow the famicom to use a sound generator wired in the cartidge?
Also, what's your PVM model?

>>1516902
It's actually an AV Famicom, also modded for RGB with an NESRGB. The PVM is a 1944Q.

>>1516902
That's an A/V Famicom broski.

http://videogamesarerad.net/2010/05/27/av-famicom/

>>1516904
>>1516909

Oh I see. How is the RGB on the famicom? Some people say that the colors are more brownish.

>>1516910
Well with the NESRGB you can select which pallet looks best with the game or leave it on, I didn't want to put a hole in mine yet so I opted to have no switch. With the pallet that is selected I think it looks great.

I actually don't have it hooked up yet via RGB since I need that damn breakout cable for the PVM, but I will soon! Currently it's S-Video derived from the RGB. It looks amazing though.