/vr/ - Retro Games

49. Legend of Zelda
49. Monopoly
53. Section Z
54. Contra Force
55. Family Feud
55. Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves
57. Family Stadium '88
58. Famicom Jump: Eiyuu Retsuden
59. F-15 Eagle Strike
59. Wai Wai Worlds

61. Battletoads & Double Dragon
61. Burger Time
61. Ironman Stewart's Super Off-Road
61. Kinniku Man: Muscle Tag Match
65. Qix
66. Final Fantasy III
66. Galaga
66. Getsu Fuma Den
69. Back to the Future
69. Super Turrican

69. Tiger Helo
69. Whomp 'Em
73. Yoshi
74. Battle Kid: Fortress of Peril
75. Pac-Man
76. Adventure Island IV
76. Jurassic Park
78. Adventures of Lolo 3
79. 1942
79. Super Mario Bros The Lost Levels

81. Bugs Bunny's Birthday Blowout
81. Gonbare Goemon 2
83. MC Kids
84. Rescue Rangers
85. Magical Doropie
86. Panic Restaurant
87. All Night Nippon Super Mario Bros
87. Dragon Warrior II
87. Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu
90. Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Pool of Radiance

90. Nintendo World Cup
92. Holy Diver
93. Battle of Olympus
93. Double Dare
93. Fire n' Ice
93. Gargoyle's Quest II: Demon Darkness
97. Hi no Tori - Houou Hen - Gaou no Bouken
97. Yo! Noid
99. Star Trek: The Next Generation
99. Ultima: Quest of the Avatar

101. Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Dragone Strike
101. Baseball Simulator 1.000
101. Skate or Die
104. Snake's Revenge
105. Air Fortress
105. IronSword: Wizards & Warriors II
105. Robocop
108. Mechanized Attack
108. Stinger
110. 10-Yard Fight

110. Dig Dug
110. Gremlins 2
113. Al Unser Jr's Turbo Racing
113. Jaws
113. Prince of Persia
113. Puzznic
117. Archon
117. Ikari Warriors
117. Super Mario World
117. Zombie Nation

121. Bonk's Adventure
121. SCAT
121. Simpsons: Bartman Meets Radioactive Man
124. Caveman Games
124. Golgo 13: Mafat Conspiracy
124. Ring King
127. Mendel Place
127. Snow Bros
127. Superspike V'Bal

130. Little Mermaid
131. Castlevania III - Dracula's Curse
131. Who Framed Roger Rabbit
133. Rampart
134. Mappy-Land
134. Mighty Final Fight
136. Goal ! Two
136. Pipe Mania
136. Rainbow Islands
139. Adventures in the Magic Kingdom

139. Kattekita Mario Bros
139. Mega Man 2
139. Tombs & Treasures
143. Casino Kid
144. Dusty Diamond's All-Star Softball
145. Rad Racer
145. Solomon's Key
145. Tennis
145. Wrath of the Black Manta
149. Three Stooges

Earthbound is not an NES game.

150. Conflict
150. Gun Nac
150. Heavy Barrel
153. Bio Ape Force
153. Commando
153. Lunar Jetman
153. TMNT III
157. Ghostbusters 2
157. Klax
157. Magic of Sheherazade
160. 720 Degrees

160. Battle Chess
160. NES Open Tournament Golf
160. Princess Tomato in the Salad Kingdom
160. Shatterhand
165. Destinty of an Emperor
165. Monster Party
165. Popeye
165. Super Mario Bros
169. Bill & Ted's Excellent Video Game Adventure

169. Xexyz
171. Battle City
171. TMNT Tournament
173. Arkanoid II: Revenge of Doh
173. Godzilla
173. Marble Madness
176. Gradius II
177. Shadow of the Ninja
178. Contra
178. Power Blade
180. Mike Tyson's Punch Out!!

180. Vice: Project Doom
182. California Games
183. Dragon Warrior III
184. Maniac Mansion
185. Solstice
186. Donkey King Jr
187. Tetris
188. Tiny Toons Adventures
189. Donkey King
190. Rush'n Attack

191. Base Wars
191. Marble Madness
193. Kiwi Kraze
193. Sky Hunter
195. Final Fantasy
195. Ms Pac-Man
197. Metroid
197. Rampage
197. Smash TV
200. Boulder Dash

200. Double Dragon
202. Kirby's Adventure
203. Boy and His Blob
204. Deja Vu
205. Dragon Warrior IV
206. Darkwing Duck
207. Adventures of Lolo 2
208. Crystalis
208. Kabuki Quantum Fighter
210. Shadowgate

211. Baseball Stars
212. Ninja Gaiden
213. Clash at Demonhead
213. Legendary Wings
215. Balloon Fight
216. Castlevania II - Simon's Quest
216. River City Ransom
218. TMNT
219. Spy Hunter
220. Paperboy

221. Double Dribble
221. Yoshi's Cookie
223. Legacy of the Wizard
224. Metal Gear
225. Adventure Island
226. Cobra Triangle
227. Battletoads
228. Golgo 13: Top Secret Episode
229. Jackal
229. Little Samson

231. Mario Bros
232. Abadox: Deadly Inner War
233. Ninja Gaiden II
233. Top Gun
235. Willow
236. 1943
237. Arkanoid
237. Kickle Cubicle
237. Wizards & Warriors
240. Adventures of Lolo

241. Super Mario Bros 2
242. Lifeforce
243. Excitebike
244. Track & Field
245. Kung Fu
246. Pro Wrestling
246. TMNT II
248. Bomberman
249. Blaster Master
249. Goonies II

251. Bucky O'Hare
252. Faxanadu
252. RC Pro-Am
254. Guerilla War
255. Blades of Steel
255. Dragon Warrior
257. Mega Man
257. RBI Baseball
259. Zelda II
260. Ice Climber

261. Journey to Silius
262. Super C
263. Metal Storm
263. Pirates!
265. Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers
265. Guardian Legend
267. Super Dodgeball
268. Mega Man 3
269. Castlevania
270. Bionic Commando

270. Ghosts 'n Goblins
272. Tecmo Super Bowl
273. Mega Man 4
274. Tecmo Bowl
275. Bubble Bobble
276. Bomberman 2
277. North and South
278. Double Dragon II
279. Rygar
280. StarTropics

281. Mega Man 5
282. Dr Mario
283. Little Nemo: Dream Master
284. DuckTales
285. Mega Man 6
286. Snake Rattle n' Roll
287. Ice Hockey
288. Adventure Island II
289. Kid Icarus
290. Micro Machines
291. Batman
292. Gradius

Duck Tales 2 so high (and actually above Duck Tales 1) makes me happy. Looks like it's not as underrated as I thought.

If course there is quite a lot of bullshit in this list though we could endlessly talk about.

This being said, if we don't know exactly HOW the list was made ('data from the internet' and 'algorithms' doesn't actually say anything) and from what sources, it's all pointless.

>>1489805
So you're just posting every single nes game that isn't garbageware?

>>1489805
>Guardian Legend
>Not #1
>Not even listed

Just when I thought the internet wasn't a pleb

>>1489816

I personally don't like Duck Tales 2 as much as DT1. The bosses suck in DT2 and the level design and music aren't as good. Not a bad game though.

>>1489817
>>1489813
Yeah, and quite a lot of the games mentionned were never released on NES and are famicom exclusives.

Also,
>184. Maniac Mansion
considering there are at the same time NES and famicom games mentionned in the list, it should be told which version of Maniac Mansion this is. The NES and Famicom maniac mansion are completely different games.

>>1489819
Never mind. You listed it. But honestly, the game should be at least in the top 50. I'll give you some room, but it is really fucking near perfect.

>>1489817
>So you're just posting every single nes game that isn't garbageware?

Forgot to say. That's far from every worth playing game on NES. Just a random example, only one Batman game is mentionned even though all 3 NES Batman games (Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Vs The Joker) are worth playing. Just a random example though, could name plenty others. The list is also quite racist as not a single PAL exclusive has been mentionned but that's probably due to how OP only used data from the English speaking side of the internet (if he REALLY put some data together)

A lot of games on the list either don't exist for the NES (ex. SMB Lost Levels, Earthbound) or are absolute shit (ex. Ghostbusters, Monopoly).

>5. Mario Is Missing
>hide thread

>>1489805
Golf, baseball, and Mario is missing all in the top five? What the actual fuck.

>mario is missing
>ghostbusters
>adventure island ii and iv but no adventure island iii
>super mario world?
>list includes inferior lolo version of eggerland: rise of the labrynth rather than eggerland: rise of the labrynth
>no banana prince
>no moai kun
>no legend of kage
>no asmik-kun land
>no kyorochan land/nebulus/castelian
How was this list compiled exactly? I can understand many of my favourite games not being included because they're either not well known or have a poor reputation, but having the Lolo games on the list rather than the Eggerland games? And omitting several of the ones I listed above when they're both very popular and held in very high regard? What?

>>1489805
>No Nightshade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjyKk4lQC3k

>Super Mario Bros. 3 isn't in the top 5

>>1489829
>SMB Lost Levels
Japanese SMB 2
>Earthbound
English translation of Mother 1
Beats me as to why chose those names though.

>Golf
>Majong

>>1489828
>racist
>European
>a race
>implying pal exclusives are worth playing
>implying pal is worth playing

>>1489805
>All the titles listed are good
>Mario is Missing
>Ghostbusters
>Bill & Ted

I enjoyed Jaws but that sucks dick too

>Earthbound
I guess this was supposed to be mother since its not on the list otherwise
>Super Mario World
well there is a SNES-to-NES conversion....

>Golf
Have it, don't know how to play it. I can't even find a way to make the guy swing.

>>1489805
>15. Simpsons: Bart vs. Space Mutants
That's... an anomaly. That games was pretty bad iirc.

>>1489805
>Mario is Missing
>Simpsons: Bart vs. Space Mutants
>Ghostbusters
>Fester's Quest
>Simpsons: Bart vs. the World
>Back to the Future
>Bugs Bunny's Birthday Blowout
>MC Kids
>Star Trek: The Next Generation
>Jaws
>Ikari Warriors
>Who Framed Roger Rabbit
>Ghostbusters 2
>Castlevania II - Simon's Quest
>TMNT

You obviously did something retarded because the way you did it this list is full of every fucking game that AVGN ever reviewed.

>>1494735
That's implying Castlevania 2 and TMNT are bad games. The rest of that list is pretty bad. But those two are solid if you know what you're doing.

>66. Final Fantasy III
>195. Final Fantasy

Great job not accounting for all the idiots that still refer to FFVI as FFIII.

>>1494771
The SNES release is called Final Fantasy III.

>>1494773
And? What's your point?

>>1494774
How is someone an idiot for referring to it by its name?

>>1494775
It was named incorrectly by idiots, thus anyone repeating the same information is also an idiot.

>no elevator action
>no wits
>no harlem globe trotters
>no yo noid
>no where's waldo
at least you put Tennis on there tho

>>1494775
Not the poster you're replying to, but do you call America "The Indies", too?

It's name is Final Fantasy VI. "FFIII" was a wrong name due to lousy localisation practices. That error has been officially rectified.

>>1494782
Squaresoft didn't retroactively relabel its cartridges via mail-in recall.

>>1494785
Nobody rewrote all the books that said the earth was flat either. So?

>>1494787
Which books were those? Name a few.

>>1494791
Don't try to change the subject. Just admit you've lost and move on.

>>1494771
Guys. The fuck. This is a list of NES/Famicom Games. You faggots should all know what Final Fantasy 2 and 3 are in the realm of NES and live with it.

Much as if this were a list of SNES games, we would just know which "2 & 3" are actually there.

>no Rad Racer 2
>no Corvette ZR-1 Challenge
>no Nigel Mansell World Champ.
>no Mach Rider

The list lacks Yanchamaru 3

>283. Little Nemo: Dream Master
Well shit I was gonna bitch but there it is

>>1494782
>It's name is

You blew it

>>1494735
Does anyone besides me genuinely like Fester's Quest? As far as Addams Family licensed games go, it is not that bad

>>1494634
You don't think Ufouria is worth playing?

>>1489805
>After compiling data from the internet and putting it through my algorithms,

8/10 because I read OP in his voice, and /vr/ is stupid enough to respond to a list which patently has no logic behind it.

Class act all round.

>>1489805
>After compiling data from the internet and putting it through my algorithms

8/10 because I read OP in his voice, and /vr/ is stupid enough to respond to a list which patently has no logic behind it.

Class act all round.

>>1494634
They is nothing wrong with PAL games made within PAL territories. The problem with PAL is when games were made abroad and poorly/lazily ported to 50hz.
Astérix and The Smurfs are two examples of PAL exclusives which are definitly worth playing.

>>1494886
Ufouria was released on famicom though, not pal exclusive

Is this supposed to be funny? I don't get it.

>>1494939
>They is nothing wrong with PAL games made within PAL territories.
PAL native is still 50Hz, which means it flickers unacceptably on a CRT.

>>1494939
Oh, I thought he meant NES games that were translated only in Europe. Yeah, I can't think of any that fits the other criteria

>>1494713
I bought it recently, along with baseball for a dollar to use as donor cases. I only used Baseball so currently Golf is something my one year old son carries around and throws at the cats.

>>1494884
It's like the annoying parts of Blaster Master without the awesome parts.

>>1494802
Nobody acknowledged this totally correct post, but it still stopped the dumbass argument dumbasses were having.

I'm still pretty stymied about Mario is Missing, though. I'd like to see the methodology behind this list.

>87. Dragon Warrior II
>183. Dragon Warrior III
>205. Dragon Warrior IV
>255. Dragon Warrior

Holy shit, that's way out of order.

>>1494998
I liked the overhead sections of Blaster Master more than their side scrolling ones. Not saying that Fester's Quest isn't bad, just that isn't too bad compared to other games. If it just got rid of the weapon downgrades, and let your shots go through the walls like in the PAL version, it would be better. Also if you could start at the last boss you beat and not the very beginning. They did this because you can only get some items again by going back to the house you got them from, but if the game was smart to restock your items after each boss fight, it should be smart enough to do it after each Game Over, so you don't have to start at the very beginning of the game to get them back

>>1494958
Did you not get his point? Greetings from PAL territory, we can play 50Hz games here just fine on our CRTs.

>>1495028
>play 50Hz games here just fine on our CRTs
Confirmed for never doing side by side comparison with 60Hz. 50Hz on a CRT looks much more flickery than 60Hz on a CRT.

>>1495056
So you literally set a PAL 50Hz CRT with a PAL console next to an NTSC 60Hz CRT with an NTSC console and compared them?

>NES Ghostbusters
>good

It was the second-shittiest port of that game, after the Atari 2600 version.

>>1495064
Actually I only have one 15kHz CRT, so I switched PS1 games between 50Hz and 60Hz using a parallel port cheat cartridge. The difference in flicker is so obvious that a true side by side comparison is unnecessary.

>>1495139
try a proper comparison with SNES games. No flicker.

>>1495142
SNES respects the PAL standard and displays "50Hz" games at 50Hz, same as PS1, so the flicker will be just as obvious.

NES actually ignores the standard and displays "50Hz" at 53Hz, so the flicker is less bad but still obvious.

"No flicker" is just plain bullshit, seeing as even 60Hz flickers noticeably.

>>1489813
Yes it is. Mother 1 was going to be localised under the name 'Earthbound'.

>>1494998
>Nobody acknowledged this totally correct post,
Yeah, /vr/ is pretty slow moving and level headed. I didnt really except any acknowledgement to be honest with you.

>>1495139
>I switched PS1 games between 50Hz and 60Hz using a parallel port cheat cartridge
Unless you were playing a PAL game, on a PAL console, with a PAL monitor/TV compared to the NTSC version of that game with NTSC console and TV, I'd take your observation with a grain of sals compared to how PAL actually looks correctly hooked up.

I'd personally love to test it out myself since I have multiple PVM monitors that accept NTSC, PAL, and SECAM, but all my consoles and games are NTSC so I can't do an accurate test.

>>1495214
>PAL game
Yes, because it's switched to genuine 50Hz
>PAL console
Yes, because it's outputing genuine 50Hz
>PAL monitor
Commodore 1084 monitor, actually designed for 50Hz (syncs to 60Hz too) so you can't complain about phosphor speeds.

>>1495235
>>Yes, because it's switched to genuine 50Hz
I doubt a cheat cartridge can switch a console's video output, and if it can, I doubt that it's a quality way to do that.

Do it with a PAL game and console.

Also, the 1084 was built from the ground up as a multi-format NTSC/PAL monitor. It wasn't specifically designed for PAL.

>>1495254
It can, and 50Hz is 50Hz, there is no "good" or "bad" 50Hz.

And I live in a PAL country, I've seen a shitload of games running at 50Hz, I know they look terrible. That's why I imported everything.

>>1495254
>I doubt a cheat cartridge can switch a console's video output,

If the video output is switched by software, then it can. I don't know how the Playstation has it stored though.

>>1495265
Juryrigging a 60Hz console to output 50Hz doesn't sound like quality to me. And it sounds like you shouldn't have too much of a problem getting a PAL console and game to do the test.

>>1495264
I'm mostly familiar with the older consoles where the main CPU was slowed down in the PAL versions and you have to physically rewire the console to get it to display a different format. Would be interesting if the Playstation can be changed by software, but that still leaves the problem of playing an NTSC game that's not optimized for 50Hz on a PAL monitor.

>>1495278
It is the exact same quality. I used RGB output so there's no possibility of it being any different. And I did use a PAL console (modded). And I have a few PAL demo discs, and those look identical to NTSC forced to PAL in software.

"Optimized" only means the game speed and aspect ratio is corrected. The refresh rate cannot be corrected because it is fixed at 50Hz, so it will always flicker more than 60Hz. Human flicker perception is non-linear so 50Hz flicker is about twice as annoying as 60Hz.

>>1494781
yo! noid is 97

>Golf
>Baseball
>Mario is Missing

Your algorithm is bugged, pal.

>>1489805
>Mario is Missing
>Kinniku Man: Muscle Tag Match(this shit is one of the worst games i ever played)
>4 Players Majong
>F-15 Eagle Strike
>Battle Tank
>Bugs Bunny's Birthday Blowout
>Jaws
>Who Framed Roger Rabbit
>Bill & Ted's Excellent Video Game Adventure
>Simpsons games
>Lei Dian Huang Bi Ka Qiu Chuan >Shuo(maybe if you are deaf and understand chinese)
>Super Mario World(butchered pirate shit)
>Quiz games
>countless shitty and now completely obsolete sports games

You should revise this, and add some good stuff like Recca instead of crap i listed.

>>1494634
But (white) Americans are Europeans though.

>>1495153
Well maybe the two or three TVs I used just happened to be utterly magical.

Some PS games flicker very noticeably in PAL, some less so.

We are just going in circles in this debate.

>>1495446
>Well maybe the two or three TVs I used just happened to be utterly magical.
You probably grew up watching TV on 50Hz CRTs, so you became desensitized to it, like Americans became desensitized to 3:2 pulldown. The flicker is very obvious if you look at what's really there instead of what you expect to be there.

>Some PS games flicker very noticeably in PAL, some less so.
If there color scheme is dark on light then the flicker will be more obvious. You'll notice most arcade games use a light on dark color scheme to reduce the appearance of flicker.

>>1495531
>If there color scheme

You blew it

>>1495186
>I didnt really except any acknowledgement

What?

>>1489805
>Mario is Missing
Fuck yourself, op.

>>1494802
>You faggots should all know what Final Fantasy 2 and 3 are in the realm of NES

You'd have to be an idiot to think that a game never released in America is better than the flagship title that kicked off an immensely popular series, "according to the internet."

You really don't see how whatever idiotic method OP used could be fucked up since so many people referred to FFVI as FFIII?

>>1495673
>Except
>Expect
It has all the right letters just got a touch of that Dyslexic.

>>1496457
>never released in America
Except every FF has been re-released to tears. Playstation, GBA, PSP, and even mobile. Of course, I am an idiot. So part of your argument still stands.

>>1496720
Original Famicom FF3=/=remade DS FF3.