/vr/ - Retro Games

Thanks for spoiling it asshole

Vivi is still dead, though.

>>1477392
>nothing overbloated or pretentious

it's final fantasy

just look at his hair ffs

Was everyone in FF9 other than rat bitch and blue-skin dude meant to be various species of dwarf? I mean... there's the dwarf town and they're different from everyone else, but all the characters have very little-people-like proportions.

>>1477413
Oh, and the harlequin frog thing. I forgot about it. S/he is weird. Is that the only non-sexed character in all FFdom? I'm pretty sure they referred to Mog and Umaro both as male in FF3/6.

I've always liked VIII more.

>>1477405

But how did he breed? I didn't see any female black mages, plus the whole thing with limited lives.

>>1477413


It was just an anime style, that's all. It wasn't meant to be realistic. And that's part of its charm

>>1477392
>>nothing overbloated or pretentious
but it is made as FMV so it is pretentious and overbloated

>>1477418
I'm with this one.

>>1477418
Mah niggah

>>1477440
Do you even know what those words mean?

>>1477476
You know a word became a buzzword when it's used when it doesn't even make sense.

The FMV isn't even two minutes long.

But that's not what makes IX's ending so brilliant. It's the way sakaguchi uses Vivi's thoughts before death as a way to directly address the fans of classic final fantasy games.

I am continuously shocked by how few people understand this game. It is actually too deep for most players to wrap their heads around.

>>1477405
>>1477392
Spoilers. Use them.

>>1477425
I figured since they were made in factories they figured out how to make their own little factory in the Black Mage Village or went and grabbed the one in Dali and modified it.

There's also always the Kuja isn't dead theory where he told them how

>>1477392
ffvi ending was way better

>>1477425
MAGIC

>>1477392
>Still the best ending of any RPG
but that's not Planescape: Torment

I agree, FF9 has a great ending. 34 minutes, I timed it. That's quality AND quantity.

>>1477405
oh well. at least he dies AFTER the game is over. Which means i could level him up and assign abilities along with everyone else before we get to the end boss. Speaking of which, I'm still playing FF7 and ignoring Aerith. Hopefully there wont be a segment where i will need her, like that one in FF6 where you have to setup various teams

>>1477392
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJOZCrArZK8

So much emotion in something with neither a face nor voice.

>>1478713
>Aerith

>>1477392
are they gonna bang?

>>1478726
Man I forgot how good the FMVs are.
I wish they made a short film, like a sidestory or something.

Oh well, at least we got this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7UpsWUJ_aY

I can't even remember FF9's ending. Even though I replayed it like four years ago.

>>1478746
Considering he grabbed a handful of ass only a few hours after meeting her, you do the math.

>>1478746
Without question.
Now that I think about it, for all that FF8 was advertised as being such a an epic and wonderful love story, the romance story in FF9 was way more believable. Hell, the Steiner-Beatrix relationship was better than the Squall & Riona one.

>>1478713
Actually, in the Temple of the Ancients, she can't be switched out of your party.

Final boss completely ruined the game for me.

I get so fuzzy when Fratley tells Freya that he loves her, even if he never gets his memory back. I think it's the only time the phrase "I love you" is ever spoken by anyone in the series.

I never did like how it goes completely unexplained how he even survived Cleyra, though. I always felt like they had something written up but were strapped for time or money and had to skip it.

in-between all the tragedy that befalls Garnet, it's nice she gets a hug every once in a while.
When she's struck mute, I just want to tuck her up in bed with some hot tea.

>>1478745
I will never understand why people pretend you need to have a massive lisp to say "Aerith". Do you struggle saying "earth" as well?

>>1478941
Earth rolls off the tongue a little easier, tbh.

>>1478941
earith

Not gonna lie, I thought the best ending of any RPG I've played (which is a huge number, both western and jap) is Phantasy Star 2. That's some Twilight Zone shit right there.

>>1477413
Zidane and Garnet are teenagers and Vivi's a child, so they all stand a head or two shorter than the "adult" characters. Combined with the fact that the game uses very cartoonish proportions this has the effect of making them look a lot shorter than they were supposed to be.

>>1477502
Please stop parroting that stupid shit.

>>1478764
quistis: sup squall lets fug im a hot teacher
squall: leave me alone

rinoa: sup squall i like seifer
squall: time for ntr then

rinoa: welp im a slut for emo bois

fucking ff8 man

>>1477392
>nintendrones and their shitty chinese love story games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVz8tyJXOs

>>1477502
>I am continuously shocked by how few people understand this game. It is actually too deep for most players to wrap their heads around.
Jesus Christ.

>>1478019
I think you mean Mass Effect 3.

Yeah I said it. I saved all the universe for everyone for all time. I fucking loved the original ending. Apologies for not /vr/, but sometimes a man gotta speak the truth.

Also, for me FF9 goes as follows:

something about a play, a swamp I think, lets get a summon oh no it's evil lets get another one oh no it's evil lets get another one oh no it's evil lets keep doing this till we run out of summons then super confusing disc 4 where there are monkey people for some reason and then yoda attacks me and garnet kills him in one turn.

Still better than 12/13. At least I can remember SOME of the plot of this one.

>>1478941
See, the joke is you have a lisp if you say Aerith instead of Aeris.

I just can't fucking undetrstand the people saying VII is the best final fantasy, Cloud is just hateable to no end. And this next is more of a personal preference but the gameplay suffers from a "what the fuck is this character supposed to do?" in which you don't know if to use one character physically, magic or heal.
Maybe it is because VII was "baby's first JRPG" but for me IX was way much better

>>1477418
>worst protagonist of any FF
besides Vaan, but the protagonist of XII was Ashe anyway

>>1479512
>nintendrones
nigga, you just went full retard

>>1479657
to quote the gametrailers.com retrospective... "Although IX received critical acclaim, it was faced with mixed feelings from fans. While elder players looked upon it with warm nostalgia, the younger set simply... didn't get it. Nethertheless, Sakaguchi has stated several times that Final Fantasy IX is his personal favorite."

Interpret that as you will.

Personally I think it's just nostalgia, where FF7 was not only the first FF of many people who call it the best, but also their first RPG period. Personally I think 7 is damn good, my third favorite of the series, but 9 beat it out as second on my list, and 6 takes first prize for me, which also I admit may also be from nostalgia because my brother wouldn't let me play the first FF else I would overwrite his save, so 6 was the first one I played all the way through.

>>1477606
Don't they make Black Mages out of Mist?

>>1478873
Did he say it or did he just think it? Been a while since I've played IX.

>>1479658
>tfw Basch was originally going to be the protagonist, but he wasn't femmy enough for Japanese focus groups.
That's seriously why Vaan has nothing to do with the story. He was shoehorned in at mid-production so the Japanese could have their goddamn prettyboy protagonist. And they wonder why JRPGs are currently getting their asses kick by Western ones...

>>1479657
>in which you don't know if to use one character physically, magic or heal.
>look at stats
>hey this guy has high strength and low magic
>I WONDER WHAT I SHOULD USE HIM FOR

>>1477415
Oh, and the harlequin frog thing. I forgot about it. S/he is weird. Is that the only non-sexed character in all FFdom? I'm pretty sure they referred to Mog and Umaro both as male in FF3/6.

I kinda hated it, though. Just a personal opinion, but I liked the endings of FF5, FF6, FFT, heck even FF7 more than FF9 or FF8.

>>1479695
>And they wonder why JRPGs are currently getting their asses kick by Western ones...
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They are? Or do you just mean sales-wise?

>>1479754
Quina in FF9 was called s/he as well.

>>1479854
I think it is more to do with the fact that JRPG's was somewhat stagnated. With new FFs being hated, and the only new games are either obscure or designed to pander to the otaku audience in Japan, there isn't much to look forward to there.

>>1479687
No, you're probably mixing it up with the line Freya thinks after he says it. Nothing else is in parentheses except this line.

X had the best ending. Even though Tidus was a faggot, I felt really bad for Yuna.

>>1479972
Is Otaku waifu bullshit really any worse than literal homosex? WRPGs are garbage these days too.

>>1478862
I thought he was related to the Iifa tree or something, though I'm probably wrong.
Is he actually just a giant god out of nowhere?

>>1477418 retard

>>1478862
I thought it went like:

Kuja wanted to destroy everything and so Necron went hello yes I am here I do that hello

They never explain where vivi came from, does anyone know! He had a father and was raised by the marsh people. I'm speculations that he was just born from the mist, but is there a real answer?

>>1477504
>spoilers
>for a 10+ year old game

Come the fuck on.

This game really shaped my life. After playing all I ever wanted to do is dual world daggers, and that double edges thing he has
>is there an official name for that?
Everything fantasy wise is with a tail too. First game I ever played though.

>>1481764
We do have spoiler tags here for a reason.

Just because games are old doesn't mean everyone has had time/the ability to play them all.

>>1481770
>all I ever wanted to do is dual world daggers
autocorrect is the greatest invention man has come up with

>>1481774
Atlas rogue in this bitch.

>>1481774
Sounds like some kinda dc super hero, he think he could take goku?

>>1477392

Ah, the good ole cutscene_as_post-gameplay_reward tactic. As opposed to the cutscene_as_gameplay_impediment habit. And they wonder why some people prefer retro.

>>1481786
but retro JRPGs have tons of cutscenes, especially the 16 bit and later ones
they might not all be in video format but they still break up the gameplay

>>1481793
It's a matter of pacing more than anything. Like when games force you to listen to exposition as you walk to the next fight. They are breaking the flow because they are usually after a minor encounter, where you just want to get to the next one, and you don't quite feel like you're "done" with the gameplay, yet. When you go into an RPG town, you know it's going to be slow paced with a lot of dialogue, and when you are in a dungeon, you know there will combat and exploration. Modern games aren't as rigidly segmented so gameplay and cutscenes need to happen in the same space. Also, they aren't quite as interesting because they rarely involve the player, with the plot and progress being determined by characters around the player, but with player never participating. For a player to feel involved, what happens in the story needs to be DIRECTLY impacted by what the player does. Even if the player can only progress by doing this one action, involving the player makes you feel like a participant rather than a passenger.

No proofreading because I don't even know why I'm awake.

>>1481763
He was created as a prototype Black Mage, but fell from the Dali cargo ship, and one of Quina's species found him. He raised Vivi up in his cave, with the intention of eating him later, but died before Vivi got big enough.
Vivi goes back to that cave during a QTE and you can meet him there to hear some back story, and after you get an airship you can go with Vivi and Quina to see another scene.
It's worth going for the items that are there too.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Quan%27s_Dwelling

>>1478764
This actually always pissed me off. Not only because it was advertised as such, but because Squall and Rinoa romance is acutally the crux of the story due to that whole knight/sorceress thing, and it just felt incredibly flat and tacked on. They had zero chemistry.

>>1481872
>with the intention of eating him later

jeez, I just hate that frog-people

>>1477392
I agree with you OP

>>1479497
>tfw no strong whip-wielding teacher to peg me