/vr/ - Retro Games

>Sonic 1
Best: Star Light
Worst: Marble

>Sonic 2
Best: Chemical Plant
Worst: Hill Top

>Sonic 3
Best: Hydropolis
Worst: Ice Cap

>S&K
Best: Flying Battery
Worst: Sandopolis

s1
best: star light
worst: spring
s2
best: none
worst: all
s3&k
best: lava reef
worst: carnival night

Sonic 1
Best Level: Scrap Brain (great music, level design and art)
Worst Level: Marble Zone (not a bad zone as such, just not as fun as the others)

Sonic 2
Best Level: Aquatic Ruin (great mix of high level areas, cleverly designed badniks and tricky underwater sections)
Worst Level: Emerald Hill (too much of a Green Hill clone)

Sonic 3
Best Level: Ice Cap (that snowboarding section, DEM TUNES)
Worst Level: Carnival Night (not a bad level but loses points for not being the most original)

Sonic & Knuckles
Best Level: Lava Reef (huge, varied level with great graphics and music)
Worst Level: Mushroom Hill (not a bad level, just a bit standard. Great background art though)

>>1441638
>Best Level: Aquatic Ruin
So you like running along at full speed and having badniks break through walls right in your path?

S1
Best:Starlight
Worse: Marble

S2
Best: Aquatic Ruin
Worse: Sky Chase

S3
Best: Hidropolis
Worse: Ice Cap

S&K
Best: Lava Reef
Worse: Sandapolis

Sonic 1: best, Scrap Brain; worst, LABYRINTH by far
Sonic 2: no real standouts for best honestly, they're all mediocre.
Sonic 3: best, Ice Cap; worst, Marble Garden definitely
S&K: best, Lava Reef; worst, Death Egg
Sonic CD: best, Stardust Speedway or Collision Chaos; worst, Metallic Madness

>>1441670
That can be annoying, but if you're spinning then what's the problem? Overall I think its a fun, cheerful level that looks great and has enough variety in terrain to keep it interesting.

>>1441590
Sonic 1
Best Level: Starlight
Worst Level: Labyrinth

Sonic 2
Best Level: Skychase Zone
Worst Level: Oil Ocean

Sonic 3
Best Level: Angel Island/Ice Cap
Worst Level: Carnival Night

Sonic & Knuckles
Best Level: Doomsday/Sky Sanctuary
Worst Level: Sandopolis

Sonic 3D
Best level: Diamond Dust
Worst level: Spring Stadium

Sonic Adventure
Best level:Speed Highway
Worst level: Sky Chase (either)

>>1441782
Sonic Adventure 2
Best level: City Escape/Final Rush/Cannon's Core
Worst level: Egg Quarters

Sonic 1
Best Level: Star Light Zone
Worst Level: Labyrinth just feels like a chore to me I dunno at least Marble has some neat speedy bits like when you pull a roll on the downhill segments.

Sonic 2
Best Level: I've really been digging Aquatic Ruin lately, but I'm also a huge fan of the Hidden Palace found in the Taxman remake.
Worst Level: Hill Top Zone.

Sonic 3
Best Level: Hydropolis or Laser Base
Worst Level: Carnival Night. Barrel, unoriginal theme, music isn't nearly as good as the rest of the OST

Sonic and Knuckles
Best Level: Lava Reef
Worst Level: I hate Sandopolis so much

Sonic CD
Best Level: Stardust Speedway
Worst Level: Wacky Workbench

Sonic 3D Blast
Best Level: Final Fight (because the boss fights in S3D are my favorite part of the game)
Worst Level: Diamond Dust/Rusty Ruin/Spring Stadium (fucking gimmick levels - the spinny thing, the ice machine, and the spring floor all annoy me equally)

>>1441796

Sonic Adventure
Best Level: Ice Cap/Speed Highway
Worst Level: Sky Chase, the puzzle sections of Lost World

Sonic Adventure 2
Best Level: Final Rush
Worst Level: Egg Quarters

Sonic Unleashed:
Best Level: Rooftop Run
Worst Level: Dragon Road and, you know, the nighttime shit.

Sonic Colors
Best Level: Planet Wisp/Terminal Velocity
Worst Level: Asteroid Coaster

Sonic Generations
Best Level: Rooftop Run
Worst Level: Planet Wisp

Opinions!

S1:
Best Zone: Spring Yard
Worst Zone: Labyrinth

S2:
Best Zone: Hill Top
Worst Zone: Oil Ocean

S3:
Best Zone: Ice Cap
Worst Zone: Marble Garden

S&K:
Best Zone: Flying Battery
Worst Zone: Sandopolis

Sonic CD:
Best Zone: None
Worst Zone: All of them

>Sonic 1
Best: Green Hill Zone
Worst: Labyrinth Zone

>Sonic 2
Best: Flying Fortress Zone
Worst: Casino Night Zone

>Sonic CD
Best: Stardust Speedway
Worst: Tidal Tempest

>Sonic 3
>Best: Launch Base Zone
>Worst: Carnival Night Zone

>Sonic & Knuckles
Best: Mushroom Hill Zone
Worst: Sandopolis Zone (it's not that bad, it's just the least great)

>All of Them
Best: Mushroom Hill Zone (This is how you do multiple paths in a Sonic game PERFECTLY)
Worst: Tidal Tempest (This is how you shove long, boring and slow platforming into a fucking Sonic game! With an oxygen countdown!)

>>1441702
too hard to avoid drowning even after my nth time playing

>all these plebs missing out Sonic CD

Sonic 1
Best Level: Star Light
Worst Level: Labyrinth

Sonic 2
Best Level: Chemical Plant
Worst Level: Mystic Cave

Sonic 3
Best Level: Ice Cap
Worst Level: Carnival Night

Sonic & Knuckles
Best Level: Flying Battery
Worst Level: Sandopolis

Sonic CD:
Best Level: Quartz Quadrant
Worst Level: Wacky Workbench

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQk7helyXYQ
>mfw people still don't know of this

>>1442332
at the beginning of Act 2 I GO FAST right out of the gate and forget every time about that gap
it ends poorly

Sonic 2 & Knuckles
Best level: Aquatic Ruin/Chemical Plant
Worst level: Oil Ocean

>sonic 3
>best level not Hydrocity

>Sonic the Hedgehog
Best: Star Light
Worst: Labyrinth + Scrap Brain Act 3 (it's not even close)

>Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Best: Aquatic Ruin
Worst: Sky Chase

>Sonic the Hedgehog 3
Best: Launch Base
Worst: Carnival Night (still good though)

>Sonic & Knuckles
Best: Lava Reef
Worst: Sandopolis Act 2 (the first act is great)

Sonic 2 Worst Level:
THAT FUCKING PLANE ONE WITH THE STUPID FUCKING PLANE THAT TAILS IS DRIVING AND YOU'RE ON THE WINGS JESUS CHRIST

>Sonic 1
Best: Star Light Zone
Worst: Spring Yard Zone

>Sonic CD
Best: Stardust Speedway
Worst: Wacky Workbench

>Sonic 2
Best: Hill Top Zone
Worst: Oil Ocean Zone

>Sonic 3
Best: Angel Island Zone
Worst: Carnival Night / Marble Garden Zone

>Sonic & Knuckles
Best: Flying Battery Zone
Worst: Sandopolis Zone

I cannot STAND those Zones where all the shit is flying at you and you get bounced around.

sonic 1
>best: starlight zone Worst: scrap brain zone
sonic 2
>best: chemical plant zone worst: metropolis zone
sonic 3
>best: launch base zone worst: NONE
sonic & knuckles
>best: hidden palace zone worst: sandopolis zone
sonic cd
>best: Quartz Quadrant (good future favorite) worst: WACKY WORKBENCH

>>1441590
Sonic 1
Best: Star Light
Worst: Labyrinth

Sonic 2
Best: Hill Top
Worst: Sky Chase

Sonic 3
Best: Ice Cap / Hydrocity
Worst: Marble Garden

Sonic & Knuckles
Best: Sky Sanctuary
Worst: Sandopolis

>so many faggots putting labyrinth as worst
never thought id say this unironically but.. get good

>>1441926
>>1442496
>>1442527
>Sonic 2 Best Level
>Hill Top
Why Hill Top? It always seemed totally average to me. Average level design, average music, average level gimmicks, average selection of badniks, below average boss. There's nothing horribly wrong with it, but there's nothing great about it either as far as I can see. I really don't see the appeal.
Plus, it has the unfortunate distinction of being the only full zone in the game that's just a recolor of another zone.

>>1442552
Sonic is easy, I beat most of the games without even getting hit, much less dying, unless I'm intentionally doing risky stuff to save a second here and there.
I just find Labyrinth Zone incredibly dull since you're underwater most of the time and it's very, VERY slow paced.
The pinball physics that put Sonic on the map have no chance to shine here either, since the level is completely devoid of slopes (aside from those water slides which you automatically slide down) and there is no room to build up any speed.

>>1442580
I thought Hill Top combined the best parts of Emerald Hill and Marble Zone, with high speed platforming blended well with slow, methodical platforming. It also has my favorite color scheme in the game.

Sonic 1
Best Level: Green Hill
Worst Level: Marble

Sonic 2
Best Level: Casino Nights
Worst Level: Metropolis

Sonic 3
Best Level: Angel Island
Worst Level: Marble Garden

Sonic & Knuckles
Best Level: Sandopolis
Worst Level: Flying Battery

Sonic 1
Best Level: Green Hill
Worst Level: Marble. Too slow.

Sonic 2
Best Level: Chemical Plant
Worst Level: Oil Ocean. I don't hate anything about it, it's just not as good or memorable as any other level. I am completely surprised every time I see "Oil Ocean" instead of "Death Egg" every time I play through this game. That is how unmemorable this level is.

Sonic 3
Best Level: Hydrocity.
Worst Level: Carnival Night. I can't think of a single good thing about this stage.

Sonic & Knuckles
Best Level: Flying Battery
Worst Level: Hidden Palace.

Sonic CD
Best Level: Stardust Speedway
Worst Level: Wacky Workbench. The past version is fine but the others are pure shit. They are almost comparable to those SUPER HARD Mario rom hacks (in terms of how shitty the level layout is, obviously).

S1
Best: Starlight
Worst: Springyard

S2
Best: Sky Chase
Worst: Mystic Cave

S3
Best: Ice Cap
Worst: Marble Garden

S&K
Best: Lava Reef
Worst: Sandopolis

>>1442614
>I am completely surprised every time I see "Oil Ocean" instead of "Death Egg"
Apparently you forgot about Metropolis, Sky Chase, and Wing Fortress as well.
But yeah, I agree. Oil Ocean is pretty forgettable. Most of the zones stuck in the middle of the game are, really.

Sonic 1
Best Level: Star Light
Worst Level: Marble

Sonic 2
Best Level: Chemical Plant
Worst Level: Oil Ocean

Sonic 3
Best Level: Hydro City (Ice Cap is close)
Worst Level: Marble Garden

Sonic & Knuckles
Best Level: Lava Reef
Worst Level: Sandopolis

Sonic 1
Best Level: Star Light
Worst Level: Marble

Sonic 2
Best Level: Casino Night
Worst Level: Aquatic Ruin

Sonic 3
Best Level: Launch Base
Worst Level: Carnival Night

Sonic & Knuckles
Best Level: Sandopolis
Worst Level: Hidden Palace

Sonic 1
>Best
Starlight Zone
>Worst
Labyrinth Zone

Sonic 2
>Best
Mystic Cave Zone
>Worst
Hill Top/Metropolis Zone

Sonic 3
>Best
Hydrocity Zone
>Worst
Carnival Night Zone

Sonic and Knuckles
>Best
Flying Battery Zone
>Worst
Sandopolis Zone

>>1441634
what I meant to say was
s2
Best: All
Worst: none

sonic 1
Best: Green Hill Zone
Worst: Marble zone

Sonic 2
Best: Chemical Plant Zone
worst: Casino Night Zone

Sonic 3
Best: Ice Cap Zone or Hydrocity zone
Worst: Carnival Night Zone

Sonic and Knuckles
Best: Flying Battery Zone
Worst: Sandopolis

What's with all the hate for Carnival Night?

>>1444865
>Barrel
>Basically a repeat of Casino Night from Sonic 2

That seems to be the consensus. I still like it personally, but it's definitely arguable as the low point of the game.

What about the GG games.

Sonic 1
Best Level: Star Light
Worst Level: Labyrinth

Sonic 2
Best Level: Aquatic Ruin/Mystic Cave
Worst Level: Sky Chase/Wing Fortress/Death Egg

>>1444889
>Basically a repeat of Casino Night from Sonic 2
This is something I can't agree with at all. There's no pinball or slot machines or any of that that was so characteristic of Casino Night, and the level design is quite a bit different.
The only thing it really has in common is being bright and flashy, taking place at night/late in the day, and having a bunch of shit that bounces you all around, all of which Spring Yard and Collision Chaos did as well. It's a series standard.

sonic 1

best- star light. lots of speed, awesome music and a cool motif in general

worst- marble. too much standing around and the stages feel eternally long for some reason

sonic 2

best- oil ocean. neat vertical level design, some of the best music in the game, feels just the right length

worst- metropolis. way too fucking long, even if it has awesome music.


sonic 3

best- ice cap. great balance of speed with fun platforming, great music, and my favorite boss in the game

worst- carnival night or marble gardens. both feel really really mediocre and too long

sonic and knuckles

best- lava reef. i dont like a lot of the levels in this game but this one had a lot of variety, and sick nasty music

worst-0 sandopolis. first act is fun, fuck the second act forever eternally

>>1441590
>sonic 1
best level: Labyrinth zone
worst level: those fucking special stages

>sonic 2
best level: metropolis
worst level : oil fucking ocean

>sonic 3
best level: ice cap
worst: marble garden

>sonic and knuckles
best: death egg
worst: sandopolis

>>1446493
>best level: Labyrinth zone
WHY?

>those fucking special stages
If that counts, I'm redoing my choices.

>Sonic the Hedgehog
Best: Star Light
Worst: Those fucking Special Stages

>Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Best: Aquatic Ruin
Worst: Those fucking Special Stages

>Sonic the Hedgehog 3
Best: Launch Base
Worst: Those fucking Special Stages

>Sonic & Knuckles
Best: Lava Reef
Worst: Those fucking Special Stages

>>1446496
labyrinth had baller music and was a nice change of pace... just look before you leap

also id rather do 14 sonic 2 special stages than play oil ocean

>>1444889
i seriously don't get how so many people didn't understand how to use that barrel you have 3 buttons and a D pad three of those buttons make you jump... you want to go up... its not rocket science

>>1446513
I don't really like any of the special stages in the classics very much.
The ones in Knuckles' Chaotix and the Saturn version of Sonic 3D Blast are pretty good, and there's some in the handheld games that I think are fine, but other than that they're all pretty much garbage to me.

>>1446523
1. Jumping appears to work. If you jump half decently you can almost make it.
2. You rarely use up and down at all aside from tapping it at speed when you want to roll into a ball, and holding it and mashing jump when you want to spindash.
3. Pushing up and down to move a barrel doesn't make any sense. It isn't intuitive in the slightest.
4. The effect of simply pressing up or down is basically unnoticeable, especially if the barrel is already moving when you press those directions, and there's no real visual or aural signal that anything is being done. You have to HOLD up or down to see any real effect, and if you've pressed up or down and didn't see anything happen, why would you think to hold them?
5. Pretty much everyone is stumped by the barrel for some amount of time unless they knew about it ahead of time. It took me a few minutes. Some people were stuck for days or even years. I'm sure you were stuck for a while as well. "It only took ME a few minutes" as an excuse is a stupid thing to say. This is a series where some entire zones can be beaten in less than two minutes. That a single simple obstacle should take anyone more than a few seconds to figure out is retarded.

>1
Best: Star Light
Worst: Marble

>2
Best: Aquatic Ruins
Worst: Oil Ocean

>3&K
Best: Hydrocity
Worst: Sandopolis

>CD
Best: Palmtree Panic
worst: Wacky Workbench

>>1446547
Also, it being the only time you encounter a barrel that must be operated in this way to proceed makes the puzzle even more tricky. At least in previous Sonic games, they would introduce mechanics and then apply them to situations that would require greater skill. The up/down barrel is just kinda there....

>>1446736
Another thing is the first time you run in to one of those sorts of barrels, no matter what, you're either going to be jumping, falling, or running onto it, and it'll react accordingly when you do, seemingly telling you that its movement is based on physics.

>Sonic 1
Best Level: Scrap Brain - The only level where all three acts take place somewhere else.

(Act 1: Outside. Act 2: Inside. Act 3: Basement/Foundation)

Worst Level: Springyard Zone. I just never liked this level. Don't know why, though.

>Sonic 2
Best Level: Emerald Hill (I've always loved the music and design of the level, even if it is pretty much a "hold-right-to-win-level")

Worst Level: Metropolis (Three acts of those fucking Slicers and star robots in the walls)

>Sonic 3
Best Level: Launch Base (Too many reasons to list)

Worst Level: Angel Island (The level actually felt too short to me, while all the others were somewhat longer.)

>Sonic & Knuckles
Best Level: Hidden Palace (It may be a pitstop, but, as a kid, seeing not just the Master Emerald but the Super Emeralds was so cool. It was especially interesting playing this game by itself because it made me wonder why the Chaos Emeralds were greyed out ad why they were shaped differently, but that was because I got Sonic and Knuckles before getting Sonic 3 and put them together).

Worst Level: Sandopolis (Timed switch gates and evil, pissed off ghosts)

>>1441590
is anyone besides me bothered by the amount of first levels in the best levels there are in this post

>>1446816
Not really, no. Green Hill, Emerald Hill, and Angel Island are all pretty damn good. The only things holding them back are that they're a little short and easy compared to some other stages. They aren't the ones I'd choose, but they're reasonable options.

>>1446761
When you do encounter other barrels earlier in the level, that is how they are utilised- they react to momentum

1 best: Spring Yard
1 worst: Final is kinda boring. I have a hard time with Scrap Brain act 1 but that's cause I suck.
2 best: Chemical Plant
2 worst: I don't like Oil Ocean, Hill Top, or Metropolis
3 best: Hydrocity or Launch Base
3 worst: Carnival Night. Even without the barrel, it's long and boring.
&K best: Lava Reef with Flying Battery as a close second.
&K worst: Sandopolis. boring.
CD best: Collision chaos
CD worst: Wacky Workbench. More often than not I quit playing at this level rather than suffer through it

>>1446905
Right, that's what I'm saying. No matter what, the first time you run into one of those barrels, it's going to make it look like jumping on them is the correct thing to do, since they respond to that.

I'm flabbergasted that the majority in this thread actually think Marble Zone is worse than Labyrinth. Marble Zone is a genuinely good level; it's more of a linear obstacle course than most Sonic levels, but it adds a sense of pacing and most of the design elements work really well. There are a few frustrating parts where you have to wait for slow platforms to move, but people act like that's the entire level -- I don't get it. Labyrinth Zone on the other hand is a complete mess. It has a few redeeming features to be sure, but they do NOT make up for how the majority of your time is spent as you play through it. It's long, hard, repetitive, and not fun; it's full of parts that are painstaking, claustrophobic, and slow. Half the time when I get to Labyrinth Zone I just quit a few screens in because I know what an unenjoyable slog it's going to be, and the first half of the game is satisfying enough.

I always thought it was a worldwide consensus that Labyrinth Zone was the big black mark on the game and everything else was good. Apparently not.

Worst
>Sonic 1 - Labyrinth (tedious)
>Sonic 2 - Oil Ocean (level design was too constraining)
>Sonic 3 - Ice Cap (not enough there, compared to the other S3 zones
>S&K - Flying Battery (too many gimmicks ruined the flow)

Best
>Sonic 1 - Spring Yard (the only zone in the game that took advantage of the rolling business)
>Sonic 2 - Chemical Plant (
>Sonic 3 - Launch Base (gimmicks were there, but not mandatory)
>S&K - Mushroom Hill (best level paths, plenty of space for freedom of movement, try the bubble shield)

>>1447670
>the only zone in the game that took advantage of the rolling business
Did you never reach Star Light Zone?

>>1442552

I didn't put Labyrinth because it was hard, I put Labyrinth because it was boring! I mean, shit, it's sandwiched between Spring Yard and Star Light, which are two of the speediest levels in the game and play like pinball powered roller coasters. It's awkward! Had Labyrinth been after Marble Zone and before Spring Yard, the pacing would have been a bit better. Though I suppose the 'speed as a reward' formula is more effective when you go Marble (slow) -> Spring (fast) -> Labyrinth (slow) -> Star (fast).

>>1442591

Hill Top is alright but some of the badnik placement pisses me off. Especially that fucking purple dinosaur thing that you're supposed to use as a platform, I always lose rings there.

>>1442614

Well it's got the cannons! Oil Ocean can be pretty okay if you shoot for the high path.

>>1444865

For me it's the weakest casino level in the series. I mean, it's a trope, I expect it in the game, but the level layout is kinda meh. There's some good branching paths that almost are fun but then they loop around or act like a giant ring collection u-turn. The level needs a high path that bypasses any of the unnecessary water sections, shitty forced barrel puzzles, or weird showy bits (the giant cylinder things?).

>>1446547
it took me no time at all you're just used to being babied by tutorials. I didn't even know people got stuck on that shit till I came here. I think your video game intuition just sucks.

>Sonic 1 (16-bit)
Best: Spring Yard Zone
Worst: Marble Zone

>Sonic 1 (8-bit)
Best: Jungle Zone
Worst: Sky Base Zone

>Sonic 2 (16-bit)
Best: Casino Night Zone
Worst: Oil Ocean Zone

>Sonic 2 (8-bit)
Best: Green Hills Zone
Worst: Gimmick Mt. Zone

>Sonic CD
Best: Palmtree Panic Zone
Worst: Wacky Workbench Zone

>Sonic 3
Best: Hydrocity Zone
Worst: Marble Garden Zone

>S&K
Best: Flying Battery Zone
Worst: Sandopolis Zone

>>1448498
Nah.

>>1448093
I think almost every zone in the game has one or two parts that make use of the rolling mechanic, however subtly. Star Light is one of the better examples, but Spring Yard on the other hand is the only one that actually has half-pipes. I really like rolling through the half-pipes with the spike-ball hazards; they're not hard to avoid and it's more fun than jumping on the platform. And you can build up a lot of height just by rolling through a half-pipe over and over -- Newton and Galileo would be pissed.

Why this map is so good?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LYB7iLZNWE

>labyrinth zone is easy

I just replayed it and it's literally the worst level. Disagree/call me a casual, it's a frustrating experience, and always has been since I was a kid.

>Sonic 1
Best: Star Light, Spring Yard
Worst: Labyrinth

>Sonic 2
Best: Casino Night, Hill Top, Oil Ocean
Worst: Mystic Cave

>Sonic 3
Best: Carnival Night
Worst: Marble Garden

>S&K
Best: Death Egg
Worst: Sandopolis

Sonic the Hedgehog
>Star Light Zone
>Marble Zone

Sonic the Hedgehog 2
>Sky Chase Zone
>Mystic Cave Zone

Sonic the Hedgehog 3
>Ice Cap Zone
>Carnival Night Zone

Sonic & Knuckles
>Lava Reef Zone
>Sandopolis Zone

Sonic CD
>Stardust Speedway Zone
>Wacky Workbench Zone

Sonic Adventure
>Speed Highway
>Casinopolis

Sonic Adventure 2
>Final Rush/Chase
>Crazy Gadget

As for the other retro Sonic games, what should I play? I've heard 3D Blast and Sonic R are shit, but I remember Sonic Spinball being a lot of fun, even if I never got past the second level. Any others I'm missing?

>>1441590
>Sonic 1
Best: Star Light
Worst: Marble

>Sonic 2
Best: Mystic Cave
Worst: Metropolie

>Sonic 3&K
Best: Sky Sanctuary
Worst: Sandopolis

>Sonic CD
Best: Temple Tidest
Worst: Wacky Workbench

>Sonic Adventure
Best: Lost World or Emerald Coast
Worst: Sky Deck

>Sonic Adventure 2
Best: Final Rush
Worst: Mad Space

Am I weird because Sandopolis is my fav zone from S&K? I don't get why everyone hates on it so much.

>Sonic 1
Best: Green Hill, It's a classic! Great music, lots of runnin' and alt paths, and looks amazing too

Worst: Labyrinth, stupid, slow, underwater sections

>Sonic 2
Best: Hilltop/Oil Ocean

Worst: Metropolis, annoying baddies, ugly, and three acts of pain

>Sanic 3
Best: Hydrocity/Launch Zone

Worst: Marble Garden, awesome looking, awesome music, but a chore to play through

>Sanic and Nipples
Best: Sky Sanctuary/Death Egg/Mushroom Hill

Worst: Flying Battery, best music, but slow and boring

> people hating on Metropolis Zone and Mystic Cave Zone

You wanna get good at Mystic Cave Zone? Play two-player until you learn it, and learn it good. Take the top path in Act 2 every time, and you will never have a problem.

Sonic 1

Best: Star Light
Worst: Marble

Sonic 2

Best: Mystic Cave
Worst: Aquatic Ruin

Sonic 3

Best: Ice Cap
>implying there is a worst

S&K

Best: Flying Battery
>implying there is a worst

>>1453236
First act was okay I guess. Second was a clusterfuck with annoying puzzles and those respawning ghosts.

SANIC 1:

BEST LEVL: SPRING ONION ZONE

WURST LEVL: MARBLE CAKE ZONE

SANIC 2:

BEST: METROPOLITON ZONE

WORST: MYSTICAL CAVE-IN ZONE

SANIC 3 & KNORKALES

BEST: ANGLE ISLAM ZONE

WORST: SANDPAPER ZONE

SANIC SEE DEE

BEST: STARBUCK SPEDWAY

WORST: WACKY WORKBITCH

(But seriously. Those are my honest opinions.)

Why do so many people hate Wacky Workbench?

>>1446761
I thought the bubble powerup had something to do with it

>>1454738

The worst enemy isn't the ice jets, the spring grashoppers or the electric mine things...

It's the fucking floor.

You have to work your way down through a series of platforms only to get bounced in the air again.

That goddamn floor.

I like the second act of sandapolis zone the colours were good and the ghosts were kinda spooky

>>1454738
Why would any people actually like Wacky Workbench?

brump

>>1454738
People just lose their shit over the floor bouncing them upwards for some reason.

I don't get it either.

S1
Best: Starlight
Worst: Marble

S2
Best: Chemical/Aquatic
Worst: Metropolis

S3
Best: Hidrocity, I guess? Alternatively, none.
Worst: Everything except Hydro and Carnival. Particularly Marble Garden

SK
Best: Battery
Worst: Mushroom/Sandopolis

Is that point in Marble Zone where you break all the green blocks in a row the only point in the game where you get 10000 points?

>>1441590
>Worst Level: Flying Battery
m8

>>1457114
>Best: Battery

Actually, scratch that. THinking about it the only good thing is the music, the level's shit. So... Best: Lava Reef???

>>1457836
What the hell are you talking about? Flying Battery is great.

>>1459668
No it isn't.

>>1457836
And wrong again about Lava Reef. Same problem as with Battery, excellent song, terrible level.

>>1459805
But that's wrong.

Sonic1
Best: Star Light Zone
Worst: Special Stages
Sonic 2
Best: Chemical Plant Zone
Worst: Mystic Cave Zone/Special Stages
Sonic 3&K
Best: Sky Sanctuary Zone
Worst: Sandopolis Zone
Sonic CD
Best: Palmtree Panic Good Future
Worst: Stardust Speedway Zone

Sonic 1
>Best Level: Marble
>Worst Level: Star Light

Sonic 2
>Best Level: Aquatic Ruin
>Worst Level: Metropolis

Sonic 3
>Best Level: Hydrocity
>Worst Level: Carnival Night

Sonic & Knuckles
>Best Level: Flying Battery
>Worst Level: Sandopolis

>>1460028
>Sonic CD
>Stardust Speedway worst
>not Wacky Workbench
THANK YOU.
The first act isn't bad, but that plane switching gimmick was so half baked, and that second act with all the tube sections and that big Robotnik room where you just get bounced around semi-randomly is pretty much complete shit.
I have no idea how people consider being bounced upward by the floor worse than that.

Sonic 1
- Best: Labyrinth Zone
- Worst: Spring Yard Zone
Marble Garden is a contender for worst, Scrap Brain for best. Sonic 1 has a pretty middling quality of levels overall but still might be my favorite due to it being the only one with challenging levels. It's honestly hard not to pick these based on music because there aren't really any stage gimmicks outside of Labyrinth having water.

Sonic 2
- Best: Mystic Cave Zone
- Worst: Casino Night Zone
Metropolis, Oil Ocean and Sky Chase (if it counts) are also weak. There's a theme -- in the first two Sonic games, the casino levels stink. The levels are far more distinguishable in Sonic 2, however, and all of the ones that aren't misses (or near misses) are really great.

Sonic 3
- Best: Ice Cap Zone
- Worst: Launch Base Zone
I honestly think that these are a pretty weak set of levels outside of Ice Cap and Carnival Night. Angel Island is just alright; the rest are just too large and cumbersome.

Sonic and Knuckles
- Best: Lava Reef Zone
- Worst: Death Egg Zone
These zones are much better than Sonic 3's, but they're still fairly burdened by their size. I honestly don't know why they decided to make all the levels huge, when Metropolis -- the largest up until Sonic 3 -- was one of the low points of Sonic 2. Regardless, I like Lava Reef, especially its ending.

>>1462170
yeah it's not much fun. The boss is cool, at least

>all of these "Labyrinth is 3hard5me" fags

>Sonic 1
Best: Scrap Brain
Worst: Spring Yard

>Sonic 2
Best: Mystic Cave
Worst: Sky Chase

>Sonic 3K
Best: Sandopolis
Worst: Marble Garden

>Sonic CD
Best: Stardust Speedway
Worst: Tidal Tempest

>>1462940
When did anyone say Labyrinth was hard?
I just find it slow and tedious, and totally lacking in any of the slopes and high speed and shit where the game's physics are allowed to really shine.

>>1446523
Do I have to start tipping fedoras to this bullshit?

>>1441590
>Sonic & Knuckles
>best level NOT Mushroom Hill

>>1454738
I don't hate it, but I thought it had the most confusing map in the game.

>>1462985

That is so fuckin' overused.

>>1459805
What levels do you actually like then? I don't like Flying Battery either (crammed full of simple gimmicks that don't do much for the player, too easy), but Lava Reef is great. It's a bit linear, but not in a bad way at all -- it flows well, feels spacious, and has a good level of challenge with enough interesting things scattered everywhere to make it a fully-fledged experience.

>>1442429
Seriously, that's probably the best water level in the entire series

>>1454738
What the others have said, plus the crushers that don't do any real crushing

>>1453236

Just finished that stage. Goddamn, the neverending loops are annoying, the rising sand is annoying. that's about it. But still better than Marble Garden.

>>1453236
Sandopolis Act 2 is actually a good level in its own right, for a change of pace. Only problem is Act 1 and Act 2 back to back starts to drag on a little bit because the music isn't very good.

Sonic 1
Best Level: Green Hill
Worst Level: Labyrinth

Sonic 2
Best Level: Chemical Plant
Worst Level: Hill Top

Sonic 3
Best Level: Ice Cap
Worst Level: Marble Garden

Sonic & Knuckles
Best Level: Lava Reef
Worst Level: Sandopolis

get #rekt skrubs

>>1453236
fuck that map, made me run the timer so many times

>>1450565
http://youtu.be/c6uVnR9B2vY

>>1454735
delete your post tryhard

>>1464856
The music is fine, and Act 1 and 2 are distinct enough in visuals, level design, gimmicks, and so on to not feel at all like a waste of time.
The problem is Act 2 lasts too long. It's pretty much the longest single act in all of classic Sonic. The only thing that comes close is Launch Base Act 2 specifically in JUST Sonic 3 alone, where there's 3 back to back boss fights and the timer isn't frozen during that lengthy cutscene where Sonic takes the Egg Mobile.

>>1464912

>>1464036

Flying Battery I came to realize I detest because it gives you an ice cream and then slams you in the face with a 2x4 while you're taking the first bite.

So the level starts, got this great music thumping; you step into a contraption that sends you flying; you get a loop; you get a weird barrel thing; you're doing break-neck speed and BAM into a fucking wall. Oh, and this platform is going to go down whenever the fuck it feels like it. Lava Reef? Steps. In a Sonic game.

It's a problem I have with S3K. They've got this basic game engine that features acceleration and momentum, yet constantly force the player to push stuff, to use pulleys, handrails and whatever the fuck pic related is, because at one point in the development phase someone went "Hey, wouldn't it be cool...".

What levels I like? In s3k? Beats me. Generally speaking, Aquatic and Chemical are the two I think are best. Why? Because you find your route (yes, there's more than 1, inorite!?), you figure out how to do it fast, get really proud of yourself and the go on YT and watch some fucker halve your time like it's no big deal; noobs get lost and take 4 minutes, good players have a couple of tricks and take 1 minute, pros do it in less than 30 seconds. In S3K, noobs take 6 minutes, good players take 4 minutes and pros take 3:30 and a 1000 (!) time bonus. That you even have time bonus in there is like a third tit in a hot broad when you only got 2 hands.

In essence it's a mixture of "wouldn't it be cool...", flawed design principles and one of the first instances of "I spent time designing it, you can be damn sure I'm going to force you to see it" I know of. It's like arguing Thiaf's levels are better than Thief's because they have better cutscenes or scripted sequences. That's not why I would want to play Thief.

>>1465067
>In S3K, noobs take 6 minutes*

*apart from that one idiot.

>>1465067
Whatever, I don't really like the whole speedrunning thing in Sonic -- it's lame. I'd rather explore the levels and take my time; the levels are there to be experienced. To me the real reward with Sonic is to play it gracefully, not just fast, and the idea that one route is better than another by some absolute standard such as the number of seconds it took is unfathomable to me.

I agree with some of your criticisms of S3K -- the levels are too long, and some of them don't give the player much of a feeling of freedom of movement. But some of them are really good, and they definitely manage to capture something Sonic 2 just doesn't. Carnival Night Act 1 does multiple routes really well -- you can basically make your own way through the level and play it in style, and sustain a flow state the whole way through.

>>1465067
>speedrunners

>>1465257

>Speedrunning is lame
And I'd agree. Except we're not talking about speedrunning a RPG or a visual novel, we're talking about knowing the faster route and being adept at executing it (and mostly for the kicks) in a game that, rewards you (heartily) for doing so, that keeps track of your time and that kills you if you're too slow. Why you'd want to do the opposite in a game with limited jump control and such slow acceleration is beyond me.

And please don't act like I just kicked the baby jesus. You asked me what levels I liked (I assume because I pointed out I didn't like one level you did) and I answered. No skin off my back that you like s3k better than 2.

However...
>explore the levels
In a 20 year old linear platformer?
>levels are there to be experienced
>to play it gracefully
>routes are subjective
>sustain a flow state

Son, are you high?

>>1441590
>Sonic 1
Best:
Worst: Labyrinth

Sonic 1 MS:
Best: Bridge Zone
Worst: Labyrinth Zone

>Sonic 2
Best: Chemical Plant/Aquatic Ruin
Worst: Metropolis

Sonic 2 MS:
Best: Crystal Egg Zone
Worst: Aqua Lake

>Sonic 3
Best: Hydropolis
Worst: Carnival Night

>Sonic & Knuckles
Best: Flying Battery/Lava Reef
Worst: Special Stages/Death Egg maybe

>Sonic CD
Best: Stardust Speedway
Worst: Wacky Workbench

Knuckles Chaotix
Best: Marina Madness [no fucking water, good job guys!]
Worst: Amazing Arena

Sonic Adventure:
Best: Speed Highway
Worst: Twinkle Park

>>1444889
>also that fucking water and getting crushed by the barrels while you're trying to run in the water.

>>1462980
The Boss is undoubtedly the hardest part in the game

>>1465257
>game is built around going the concept of going as fast as possible
>speedrunning is lame

>>1466183
>>1462980

>Labyrinth Zone

>>1466414
I don't understand what you are trying to say.

>>1466183
>The Boss is undoubtedly the hardest part in the game

Only until you realize that you DON'T have to defeat it; just survive till you reach the top.

>>1467857
I've known that for 16 years nigga, it's still fucking tough

>>1446496
>Hating on Blue Sphere stages
Nigga you crazy

>>1469095
I think they're fine, they just don't compare to any actual level.

>>1469095
>blue sphere
>better than the halfpipe special zones
Nigga, YOU be crazy.

Metropolis zone was great, but holy FUCK

>those goddamn scythe mantises placed directly at the top of ramps
>those crabs with miniscule areas to hit and arms with hitboxes the size of a Football field

>>1470757
Dont even fucking talk to me about those god damn mantis fuckers.

>>1464596
Also, when you play Sandopolis Zone as Knuckles; the one part near the end of Act 2 where you had the climb up a wall and then glide across to that high ledge without missing it and landing on those spikes was annoying as fuck to me.

>>1464596
>better than marble gardle

wat

Marble Garden is so easy. The only remotely worrying part is the one where Robotnik starts wrecking shit and the level starts collapsing.

>>1470738
The concept of the half pipe special stage is good, as is clearly demonstrated in Sonic 3D Blast for the Saturn, but the execution of it in Sonic 2 is absolute garbage.

Sonic 1
Best Level: Star Light
Worst Level: Labyrinth
Best Music: Spring Yard

Sonic 2
Best Level: Oil Ocean
Worst Level: Metropolis
Best Music: Mystic Cave

Sonic 3
Best Level: Hydrocity
Worst Level: Carnival Night
Best Music: Hydrocity

Sonic & Knuckles
Best Level: Flying Battery
Worst Level: Sandopolis
Best Music: Flying Battery

>>1472104
Wario's really only been the bad guy twice. Once in SML2 (his debut) and in the Japan-only Mario & Wario. Since then he's stuck to being a jerk. It should really be Dr. Wily in his spot.

>>1472115
I didn't make it. I just posted it cause it had Robotnik in it.

Also, Wario tends to be a, if not THE villain of any sports game he's in.

>>1472117
Yeah, I know you didn't make it. Just commentary from the peanut gallery.

Yeah, he does tend to be the big dick in the sports game... he's very competitive.

>>1472104
Oh, best music.
I'll give it a go.

>Sonic the Hedgehog
Spring Yard

>Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Aquatic Ruin

>Sonic the Hedgehog 3
File Select

>Sonic & Knuckles
Flying Battery Act 2

>Sonic CD (JP/EU)
Tidal Tempest Present

>Sonic CD (US)
Special Stage