/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1443694

I'll dump this one here. It's on a Samsung Syncmaster 955b PC monitor, my best PC monitor overall. I'm not using it anymore right now, I'm keeping it for a special occasion, like a used Sun SPARCstation I find at a good price, or a 68k/early PPC machintosh.

I posted this on another thread but now I have a better idea of it.

I have some obscure 24" (or 21" I don't remember) CRT. The problem is it overscans da fuck out.

When I turn it on everything looks fine. But as the minutes go by shit starts to slowly overscan to the point where I can barely see the text to the sides in some games.

Is my TV fucked? picture related. it's kinda like that (don't know exactly. I know I can only see the "p" in lap that's for sure).

I have another TV with less overscan but the audio input doesn't work for some reason.

Why is it gradually that it does that? shouldn't it be like that in the first place? it also happens if you're watching TV.

>>1443712
Sounds like an nice plan.

As a reminder (just in case), you'll probably need an HD15-DB13W3 adapter to use it with the SPARCstation or HD1-DB15 adapter for the Mac.

>>1443725
Can you put up some kind of test pattern (burn a DVD-video with them if you have to) and check the actual percentage overscan? Guidelines typically say "title safe" means 7-10% away from each side. Some video games put stuff way too close to the edges.

>>1443734
Damnit I borrowed my DVD player to someone the other day. Is there such a thing for the PS1? kinda like a "test disc" or something?

>>1443738
>I borrowed

I lent*

>>1443725
This can happen as a result of a shadow mask warping as it heats up from use. You should consider your monitor's "hot" image as its default and calibrate it based on that, not the image you get right after a cold start.

You might have heard of the term "Invar shadow mask." Well, Invar is an alloy that is used on the best shadow masks because it is resistant to this warping.

>>1443738
I don't know of any quick way to use a PS1. If you've got a Sega CD or a Dreamcast, there's the 240p Test Suite:
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/240p_test_suite

>>1443731

Thanks for the info anon.

>>1443746
how do I know if I got the calibration right? also, after I calibrate it should I turn it off and turn it back on later or does the image adjust over time anyways?

>>1443798
wait let me rephrase/modify that question

so you're saying if I calibrate the TV correctly (that means adjusting contrast, brightness, etc right?... sorry for sounding like an idiot I use my PC for everything these days) it won't overscan much as it heats up?

So I've got this CRT. It's a 28" Trinitron from 2002. The picture for TV/DVDs is pretty amazing, but it does have some flaws.

First, there's a kind of fuzz in the background of all things. I use RGB SCART for all my inputs so I have no idea what could be causing the fuzz. Could it possibly need the SCART ports resoldered?

The other problem, pictured (sorry for the crap camera), is that it has a few convergence issues. They're unnoticeable on a lot of things but 2D games show it really badly. Reds in particular seem to be smeared a little.

So my question is if I opened it up would I be able to fix these issues? I can tell it would be a very good looking TV if these issues were sorted and because I've owned it for so long I'm kind of attached to it now.

>>1443865

Maybe this is a better picture to show the convergence issues.

>scanlines

>>1443865
>Could it possibly need the SCART ports resoldered?
That would be a good idea, but are you sure that your cable is good?
You might be able to unscrew the SCART plug and look inside, if you see thin unshielded wires then the cable is causing that.

>convergence issues
>28" Trinitron from 2002
I tried to improve the convergence of my 24" Trinitron from 1991.
I got the middle perfect and the lower right corner is great but the upper left corner is kinda terrible and lower left, upper right corner is just a little off.

>>1443928

Pretty sure my cables are good. Most of them are like 2 inches thick and the main ones (SCART box to TV) are those stupidly expensive Monster ones.

If I can't improve the convergence of the TV do you think a TV repairman would be able to? There's one nearby who can still do CRT.

>>1443865
>First, there's a kind of fuzz in the background of all things. I use RGB SCART

You are using shit unshielded scart cables. They get tons of interference - you get rolling ghosting from the composite signal, and the audio has constant noise, which gets stronger as the picture gets lighter.

>>1443949
>Pretty sure my cables are good. Most of them are like 2 inches thick and the main ones (SCART box to TV)

of which 2/3 is the rubber outer part, while the cables inside have no actual metal shielding covering them.

>>1443949
>Most of them are like 2 inches thick and the main ones (SCART box to TV) are those stupidly expensive Monster ones.
I saw some quite thick SCART cables, i opened them and saw that these were wired for composite only.

>2 inches thick
That's about 5 centimeter. How?
My quality SCART cables are about 1.2cm.

>If I can't improve the convergence of the TV do you think a TV repairman would be able to? There's one nearby who can still do CRT.
Maybe.
Can you display a grid pattern on the TV?
Because it's not possible at all to archive perfect convergence, especially on such a big CRT.

Pic related. The upper left corner of the grey screen from the NES (i used that as pattern to adjust the convergence).

>>1443950
>>1443957

I thought it may be the cables before so I switched some around, connecting straight to the TV etc.

It may turn out to be just a bad cable or two. Most of my cables are good but the cables for my TV and DVD player look to be just generic SCART, and may not be good.

The fuzz is very minor anyway. I'll invest in some new cables pretty soon though. Some consoles (like the SNES) have little to no fuzz on them.

>>1444012

Are widescreen CRTs more prone to convergence issues? My TV is widescreen but I use 4:3 mode about as much as the widescreen. Also, can you recommend an easy to access grid pattern? Grey screen on the NES just seems to be slightly muddier than it should look.

Just picked up a Sony KV-27FS100. Did I make a good choice? What are the optimal settings for this badboy?

One more question...Anybody working on a standalone Snes9xGX Next for the wii? Not really enjoying the retroarch interface.

>>1444052
Yeah my method was quite hardcore, i had my eyes very close to the screen and my right hand was on the convergence rings.

If you have any sega consoles (or sega emulators that you can use with the TV) on which you can run your own stuff with an flashcart or copier, then you can use this:
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/240p_test_suite

Maybe you can use a DVD player to display this grid but you probably need to convert it from png to jpg first.

>>1443731
>SPARCstation

i can't believe those things still refuse to die.

>CRT Thread
Guess it's time to ask.

Is using a CRT PC Monitor just as good as using a CRT TV?
It'd be connected to a PC anyway, or a PS2/Wii. Would any cables/converters be needed?

>>1444185
CRT monitors are sharper than any TV so yes. If you're using a PC to emulate then a CRT monitor is perfect.

Anyone know if this geoemetry issue is fixable? It's kind of difficult to see in a picture but there's a sort of wavy pattern around the left side of the screen (You can kind of see it by scrolling the picture up and down) and it's usually not a problem unless I'm playing a game with a lot of vertical scrolling and it just looks really distorted.

Thing is, I can sort of fix it, but then the right side will get the same problem.

>>1444312
Also forgot to mention this is a PVM-20L5.

I can't seem to find any option in the service menu that really adjusts the problem area. I also can't find a service manual for the 20L5 (I can find one for the 20L1 which is slightly similar, but not quite enough) so I'm not sure if through some weird combination of values that I can fix it.

Basically the question is if this is something I can fix in the menu or if it's something that a professional needs to fix internally.

What's the best I can do without having to buy a gorillian dollar PVM? Right now I'm using a Commodore 1702 but it basically only has composite input because the S-Video inputs are ancient, pic related.

>>1444379
You can make an adapter cable:
http://www.users.on.net/~colej/MrGrumpy/svhs.html

>>1444406
I hate hate hate how uncommon this adapter actually is at retail.

I bet you hipster faggots thought the horseless carriage would never be better either.

>>1444668
Please, feel free to enlighten us how LCDs/Plasmas/etc are better in every way then CRTs.

>>1444668
Is it that hard to accept that an old technology has some advantages? Stop being a butthurt little faggot.

I too have a small question.

I was thinking about getting a Sony PVM, but I decided that I'll just get a standard 480i TV that has component cables instead (going to use the component inputs to hook up consoles that aren't allowed to be discussed on /vr/). Going to hook up my Dreamcast and Saturn via s-video. S-video looks bretty good, right? I ask because I haven't used it before

>>1444701
The Dreamcast you're best off with something that can do 480p like a computer monitor but 480i over S-Video still looks quite good.

>>1444706

I actually have a Dreamcast VGA cable, don't use it since I get a curtain effect on my computer monitor with it (doesn't happen on the 720p LCD in my front room). Now that you bring it up, I should get a VGA to component doohickey. I need an actual electronic box converter to do it, right? Not just a simple VGA to component cable?

>>1444675
>>1444696
You idiots, let him keep posting in >>1433489.

Don't give him any action here.

>>1444715
I don't know if the Dreamcast would work with any VGA-to-component converter over a 480i television since I believe the VGA box on the Dreamcast can only output 480p.

>>1444725

If I got a 480p CRT, will there be lag when using 480i sources?

>>1444737
Depends. A high-end device like a PVM -- the few PVMs that support 480p, anyway -- won't, and neither will a PC monitor, but I have no idea about HD CRT TVs since I've never actually used one myself.

>>1443826
No, I'm only saying that you don't want to calibrate your TV's settings while it's still warming up, you want to wait before adjusting anything if you want things to end up right for extended viewing.

>>1444117
very good tv for retro

video preset = pro
color temp = warm
color mode = monitor
svm/vsm/vm = off

now use a thx dvd or other calibration disc on it

>>1444741
>>1444737
Sony's HD CRTs have maybe ~1 frame of lag. They have a framebuffer, but it's very very fast - I don't even think they buffer up the whole frame at a time.

>>1444725
You can cut a wire / install a jumper to turn the DC VGA box into a 15KHz RGB box. There's a pin on the A/V output jack that controls whether the output is 480i or 480p. Native 240p DC games are rare and typically end up line-doubled.

>>1444701
320x240-ish consoles work just fine over s-video. You need to specifically make a pathological chroma signal (1px vertical blue/orange stripes or something) to see any problems.

>>1444715
>Now that you bring it up, I should get a VGA to component doohickey. I need an actual electronic box converter to do it, right? Not just a simple VGA to component cable?
Yes, it's called a transcoder. The simpler the better. Unfortunately the simpler ones cost more than the ones that are garbage and try to do more than they should.

>>1444737
>If I got a 480p CRT, will there be lag when using 480i sources?
Yes, always. Deinterlacing/scaling always incurs latency.

>>1444741
>Depends
No it doesn't.

>>1444741
>have no idea about HD CRT TVs since I've never actually used one myself
>>1444935
>Sony's HD CRTs have maybe ~1 frame of lag
Camera tests on even the 2004-5 models conducted a few years ago showed that they have non-insignificant lag for scaled sources.

>>1444961
>>Depends
>No it doesn't.

Considering my 20L5 has no lag whatsoever on 480i or 480p, I'd say, yes, it does indeed depend.

>>1444961
>Camera tests on even the 2004-5 models conducted a few years ago showed that they have non-insignificant lag for scaled sources.
By "scaled", do you mean the 720p mode which was introduced in the later models or the line-doubling 480i mode which existed in earlier ones?

>>1444961
>No it doesn't.
Multiscan EDTVs exist. NEC made some. So did Panasonic, IIRC. They were more common in Japan than in the US or Europe.

>>1444961
>Yes, always. Deinterlacing/scaling always incurs latency.
If you have a very old deinterlacer (a literal, simple line doubler with no memory for a whole frame) then your latency will be on the order of ~30-60 microseconds.

>>1444964
You did the camera tests?

>>1444965
>By "scaled", do you mean the 720p mode which was introduced in the later models or the line-doubling 480i mode which existed in earlier ones?
Any and all. Even a line-by-line deinterlacer incurs lag.

>Multiscan EDTVs exist
Of course, but here's the quote:
>If I got a 480p CRT...

>>1444973
Yeah, which is still latency, and the image will look like shit the likes of which one would assume people itt are trying to avoid.

>>1444986
>lag
To be clear, most people would use "lag" to mean "perceptible latency". No human can perceive 100 microseconds of latency in a video game (it's dwarfed by the latency of the neurons in your eyes and arms). How much latency are you talking about in the Sony case?

>>1444986
The L5 series are true multisync monitors. They can display both SD and HD signal properly. If it's SD, it works like an SD only CRT, if it's HD, it works like an HD CRT.

>>1444997
>The L5 series are true multisync monitors
Sure, which is why I wouldn't use them as an example to answer the OP's question affirmatively or "it depends," I'd explain what a multiscan/multisync display is andadivse him on those as an alternative (again, not as an example).

>>1444995
>How much latency are you talking about in the Sony case?
I'll hunt down the old AVS threads. Dunno if that punk fubarduck's images are still around. Gimme some time.

>>1445006
>Dunno if that punk fubarduck's images are still around. Gimme some time.
I'm going to eat dinner. If anybody wants to help me look, fubar owned an XBR910.

I was wondering what is the ideal distance to watch a CRT
May I make a little poll?
>CRT size
>Distance you play
----------------------------------------
>21 "
>7' (around 2 meters)
>

>>1443694
Anyone know how much a nice Commodore monitor goes for? Thinking of getting one to go with my C128.

>>1444995
>>1445006
Ugh, can't find his pics for the 910, but he "estimated" 15-30 milliseconds for 480i. That's orders of magnitude slower than 100 microseconds and into full frame territory.

>>1445068
19/20''(Depending on measuring point)
~35/40'', so between a yard and a meter
That's for my PVM

FD/WEGA set would be around:
32''
5-10'

I'm setting up a day with the seller this weekend to check out the CRT he is selling. The ad mentions a "flaky" voltage transformer. I'm no electrician, so my question is, could this be an operational concern or a hazard?

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/ele/4358638708.html

I have a fucking old philips 27cs6895/08r it's 27~28", I don't know a lot about its specs.
Anyone here know more? Is it good?

>pic related (not mine but same)

>>1445515
To be honest, on TVs this old, the owner (you) are far more likely to know more than anyone you talk to on the internet about it.

If you take pics of the inputs and labels on yours and maybe the remote, menus (or dials, etc.), and an image sample, maybe others could tell you more about it based on what you show.

FYI, it only takes one click of the mouse to filter out all but the 1ms response time lcd's on new egg.

Just thought I'd help, in case you get tired of those old, obsolete TV's.

>>1445535
Response time is actually the last of your worries when trying to play retro hardware on a digital display of any screen technology.

>>1445530
I will do it, it might take a while, thanks for your time.

>>1445540
Awesome!

I'll be honest again, I might not be able to provide too much info, but I would love to see more of this TV in any case. I really wish I still had my very old TVs so I could share everything I knew about them.

>>1445068
>28" widescreen
>around 2,7 - 3 meters

>>1445535
http://www.displaylag.com/exposed-input-lag-vs-response-time/

Ya huh, chief. It's that easy.

Would using a VGA to DVI-D adapter increase input lag on a CRT?

>>1443694
>pc monitors
yessss

They are so neglected right now. People have such a hard-on for 15khz, but vintage EGA/VGA stuff can be just as cool.

>>1445606
>VGA to DVI-D adapter
VGA to DVI-A only needs a passive adapter and is latency-free
VGA to DVI-D (or HDMI, or DisplayPort) requires an active A-D converter and will introduce latency

>>1445615
Alright, thanks.

I was going to buy a kv-36hs500 but it only supports DVI-D rather than VGA or DIV-A. Would S-Video be viable?

I won't mind searched a bit longer for one with a VGA port.

>>1445620
I'm getting a CRT dedicated for my Dreamcast by the way.

Hey /vr/,
I've decided to give CRTs a try. I've found a FW900 for pretty cheap relatively close to me. However I don't know a lot about CRTs. Is there anything I should look for when taking a look at it to make sure this thing is working properly? Like some test images or something.

>>1445636
From my experience, black case CRT televisions suck compared to the grey case televisions.

Also, anything that does not have an S-Video input is automatically blacklisted in my book.

>>1445640
Maybe I should have clarified. It's not a TV, it's a computer monitor. It has VGA and RGBHV through BNC connector inputs.

>>1445620
>kv-36hs500
HS series are pretty good HDTVs.

>>1445623
>CRT dedicated for my Dreamcast
Dreamcast via VGA box is best suited for CRTs with VGA inputs (of course) or component inputs on analog EDTVs or HDTVs that can do 480p natively. To use it via component, you'd throw in a VGA-component transcoder like the ones from Crescendo, Audio Authority, or Key Digital. Don't cheap out, since the bargain ones try to do more than they should and yes, the effects are not just noticeable, they are deplorable. The simpler the better when it comes to transcoders.

That said, Dreamcast via S-video is also gorgeous. You just won't get that amazing hi-res you'd get through VGA (although you do get natural blurring of low-res sprites that would actually make Capcom fighting games look better).

>>1445636
Simply amazing monitor for computer use, but I wouldn't buy it for retro consoles using actual hardware.

>>1445640
>case CRT televisions suck compared to the grey case televisions
Funny way to approach it! Might be because black cases were popular in the '90s and silver was much more popular in the 2000s, and 2000s-era SDTVs were more likely to come with component inputs. Anyway, the FW900 is a monitor, not a TV, so...

>>1445649
Well, my biggest concern is input delay while having the biggest possible screen. Obviously my search will lead me to TVs, but as long as S-Video doesn't present any input delay I'll settle for the kv-36hs500 I stumbled upon.

>FW900
Hopefully the FW900 suits your needs. I would consider getting a monitor myself instead of the TV but I do a lot of split-screen gaming on my Dreamcast or when my friend brings over his N64 so you can see where the former would be an issue.

>>1445613
>vintage EGA/VGA stuff can be just as cool
I'm a console/TV guy at heart, but I definitely agree with this. I have quite a few VGA monitors of different types in storage and I actually have plans to use a few of them as main monitors in some future PC builds since they still work great.

I would welcome more computer CRT discussion either in this thread or in a more dedicated thread.

>>1445662
Sad to say, you would experience lag via S-video on an HS510, and I neglected to specify that. You should look for an SDTV for that. The HS would be aces for DC VGA box -> component.

>>1445662
>Hopefully the FW900 suits your needs. I would consider getting a monitor myself instead of the TV but I do a lot of split-screen gaming on my Dreamcast or when my friend brings over his N64 so you can see where the former would be an issue.

I do most of my gaming on PC, either classics or through emulation and always singleplayer. Hooking up consoles wouldn't pose an issue for me.

>>1445673
How bad of a lag would I be looking at? I am willing to compromise if it means better input reaction from my games when comparing a CRT and LCD.

>>1445674
I run emulators on my 20" Sylvannia as a secondary monitor while anything that looks terrible sub-720p is played on the bigger LCD monitor. This FW900 sounds like a dream addition for my setup as far as computer monitors go.

>>1445718
I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't do it for fighting games. If >>1445201 is accurate, that's up to a couple frames. If you do get this TV, go all the way and get a component transcoder for your VGA box.

>>1445068
Current:
24"
2-4 meters

Earlier:
14"
1,5-3 meters

>>1445068
>20" (bottom left to top right, correct?)
>3.5 feet (about 1 meter)

>>1445763
Although you said not to go cheap, I'll be getting one from Monoprice while I save up for a quality transcoder. Now that I think about it, I most likely won't notice the lag initially so until I get used to playing on a CRT I might not be looking at a quality transcoder for a little while.

Thanks for the assist.

I have a monitor that supports higher resolutions but lacks component support, so I am thinking about getting a transcoder. I know little about transcoders, so I was wondering if they in general introduce any loss in picture quality or if they maintain the same quality as if I were to plug component directly into a monitor with component connections.

Can anyone tell me what input frequencies do Sony PVMs support (15.6khz,25khz,31.5khz)?

What is the input frequency you give them from regular SCART modded consoles after modding them to use BNC connectors?

Why no 480P, sony PVM?

>>1446258
480p is perfect for gba games btw, i wish i had one of these rare downscaler units that give this

I have a problem with my CRT.

A discoloration appears sometimes on the left and right side on the screen near the upper corners. It can't be a problem caused by magnetization, because sometimes it doesn't appear at all.
I've recently observed, while playing Paper Mario for the Gamecube, that somehow the white text-bubbles can trigger it when displayed long enough, but it disappears shortly after. Also when I used the 240p test suite for the genesis, it appears when I picture a gray ramp. But picturing an all white, red, green, or blue screen doesn't trigger it.

Somebody got any idea what's going on?

>>1446258
There are 480p compatible PVMs, such as the L5 series. I believe they'll also do 720p, but don't quote me on that.

I'd be happy to get my hands on even a 14'' model.

>>1446273

Have you tried degaussing it? It might still work. Other than that all I can think it would be is a bad solder in the TV or a dead capacitor.

>>1446350
The L5 supports 480p, 720p, and 1080I.

Someone has a BVM in my area for sale at $270.

I asked how many hours it has and got this back.

>I just checked the hours on the monitor. it has 19,033 hours. Monitor was produced in 1996. The monitor was used on average 2 hours a day over the past 18 years. Still in great condition.

Is that a lot of hours for a BVM? I feel like it isn't worth it.

>>1446534
I don't know if it is normal for that monitor, but I would give it a look and make sure there aren't any other issues with it (burn-in, most notably) before making a decision. While I would imagine that 2 hours a day is generally not considered heavy use, the fact that it was used that way for 18 years does sound like a bit of time on it. If he has been trying to sell it for a while, you might be able to haggle it down some. One thing to keep in mind though is shipping, and if you are picking up locally that probably saves at least $60 or so off of the price, as well as possible headaches caused by shipping damage.

>>1446534

How do I find the number of hours on mine?

>>1446571

I want to know this too. I have a PVM and I'm wondering if there's a way to do it on there too.

>>1446534
>19,033 hours.
19033/24=793 days
793/365=2.17 years

Well that 18 year old monitor has less hours than my TFT monitor which is about 9 years old and i use right now for my PC. I play with my original consoles on my TV, i rarely play some semi modern games on my PC.

42806/24=1783 days
1783/365=4.88 years

>Is that a lot of hours for a BVM?
I bought my TFT monitor in slightly used condition over ebay and that was about 7-8 years ago.

>I feel like it isn't worth it
I know that feel if something rare pops up and the price is anything but cheap.

>>1446367
>>1446350
>>1446270
>>1446258

After getting all the cables and adapters and doing the proper adjustments I am LOVING the results I'm getting from my component connected consoles+HDBoxPro+Emotia+PVM

Being able to connect all my consoles and getting these results.

Anyone know what's up with my TV? The top left corner slopes down as if it's melting or something. Everything above that white line is black. Is there any way to fix it?

>>1445965
>Although you said not to go cheap, I'll be getting one from Monoprice while I save up for a quality transcoder
Good luck if you're already decided, but that thing is more than likely just a glorified Radio Shack scaler with lag, and it's priced about $35 more than it's worth for playing games.

>>1445965
Beware, anything that talks about input/output resolutions will be a scaler. Also, Monoprice's video scalers are generally awful (their s-video -> HDMI upscaler looks like ass).

>>1446854
Enter the service menu and fix the vertical size just enough so the line disappear

>>1446093
A good transcoder does nothing but switch the color encoding of your signal. That is *effectively lossless and lagless through a single pass. It doesn't resample the image, it doesn't involve an A-D conversion, it doesn't scale anything.

I highly recommend true transcoders for VGA-YPbPr conversions.

>>1446273
Does this happen on every console and video source?

Are you going through a video switch?

>>1445068
>21" 1.5 meters above ground level
> 3 meters (from the tv to my eyes)
> 80 centimeters (from the ground to my eyes)

>>1446854
Could be almost any geometrical adjustment really. If straight horizontal lines are universally slanted at all, try tilt.

>>1446893
Thanks! While I plan to mostly play retro consoles through RGB, it would be a shame to neglect its higher res capabilities by not hooking up my PS2 or GC to it just because it is missing component support.

>>1446930
Tilt correction wont' fix that issue, he maybe have to go inside the tv and play with the yolk to correct the "tilt". I once did that and now i have to deal with an annoying sound that

>>1446941
If it's only the top left corner then you're right, but if everything's slightly rotated counter-clockwise, a clockwise tilt correction (possibly through the OSD menu as in many TVs) would be a quick fix at least as consideration-worthy as bumping the line up behind the bezel using vertical size adjustment.

Fun fact: As you move a CRT around the globe, you may have to adjust tilt each time due to earth's polarity.

>>1445636
You should pick it up even if it is malfunctioning. If you get into CRTs down the line you will kick yourself for passing it up. FW900 is one of the grails of the hobby.

>>1443694

>CRT
>2014

Why would you do that?

>>1446571
It should be somewhere in the service menu. As far as I've googled it should be in plain site on the ones that have it available, but I don't think the 20L5 does since I can't find it anywhere.

>>1447096
No ugly scaling
No sample-and-hold blur
Excellent contrast
Excellent color and grayscale accuracy

It's not for everyone though. If you're happy with your LCD or plasma, by all means keep using it.

I think I'm going to get a computer CRT monitor for my Dreamcast, Wii and original Xbox.

Dreamcast VGA box/cables seem easy to come by on Ebay. What about VGA cables for Wii and the original Xbox?

This is the first TV i had in my bedroom when i was 12.

Wish I could remember what brand it was.

>>1447539
For some reason, I want to say Magnavox but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong.

The first TV I had was a Zenith Space Command SS1311W. I still have it, but it no longer powers on and I'm not sure what's wrong with it. Not sure what I'm going to do with it.

Do I want a Trinitron or a wega for vr?

Figured out the one has speakers on the bottom vs the speakers on the sides and that 27" is all I could carry by myself.

>>1447584
This is a good chance to spell it out for everyone I guess:

Trinitron: Sony aperture grille tube or any CRT TV or monitor, SD or HD, curved or flat, that uses a Trinitron tube. Brand used liberally across all Sony CRT lines and models.

XBR: Sony's top TV line in any given range at any given time using any display technology. (There are non-flat Trinitron XBRs, WEGA XBRs of all display types, BRAVIA XBRs, etc.). Brand not used for monitors. SD or HD, curved or flat.

FD Trinitron: Flat Trinitron. Mostly used to brand monitors, though it has been used (IIRC) on lower-end TVs in developing countries where premium WEGA branding was not appropriate. (Flat Trinitron TVs were mostly branded as WEGA since "flatness" was a distinctive premium feature in consumer electronics marketing of the '90s and early '00s.)

WEGA: Premium flat TV using any display technology. Brand not used for monitors. Used until Sony stopped selling anything other than LCDs, at which point they branded their premium LCD TVs as BRAVIA. SD or HD.

Super Fine Pitch: Horizontally-sharper Trinitrons (higher TVL count than comparable Trinitrons), SD or HD, curved or flat, TVs or monitors (with the distinction that Sony never made/branded any SDTVs as SFP to my knowledge).

These terms are often combined.

So clearly, "Trinitron or WEGA" doesn't strictly make sense. All I can tell you for sure is that you almost definitely want an SD CRT monitor or TV with the right inputs to use your retro consoles. There are suitable displays that fall under every brand listed above. Other brands have similar trademarks with their stupid little distinctions as well, but I won't delve into those because /vr/ only seems concerned with Sony and so there is never any confusion like this about those other brands. Fine by me, it keeps prices on non-Sony displays low!

>>1446362
The degaussing coil inside is still intact.

>>1446898
I've seen it happen on my ps2, psx and wii mostly, all trough rgb.

But I think I know what it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doming_%28television%29
...since it is a Grundig crt with a shadow mask, this is the most logical explanation.

>>1447775
>it keeps prices on non-Sony displays low!

I know, but its just that it is easier to find a sony CRT around than one of the other brands "tron" Crts that came out with aperture grille after the sony patent expired , its more like going fool proof

How do you guys manage to get scanlines on your TV sets when using a SNes for example ? i have an S-Video and also a composite video cable for mine and don't get any, my CRT is a 480i btw

>>1447849
If you're not playing on a trinitron, they're not going to be anywhere near as obvious.

This is composite on a ~35'' screen.

>>1447857
I guess the bigger screen makes them more noticeable too.

>>1447875
It does.

>>1447775
we should probably have an info page with all of this so new people don't have to ask. maybe a wiki type thing where people can put their own TV and rate it too.

Guys,i want to play from emulators on a real CRT,but i want to see the REAL scanlines, ( i never experienced them,grew up playing Dreamcast,PS2 & emulators), recently i got a Radeon HD 4890 card with S-Video out, now, i plan to get one of the first Wega model TVs.

I did a bit of homework and know this card works with Soft 15 khz and CRT_Emudriver

but does this means that will i finally be able to get scanlines on a TV coming from my PC ?

Does retroarch even work at this 320 x 240 res?

What other emulators can display the GUI at this res?

I remember sometime ago i used xubuntu to get 320x240 (interlaced) on a TV but the instant i launched ZSnes everything went to black everytime

What are peoples' opinion on scalines on 3d games? I see the want for scanlines on sprites, but for 3d it doesn't make sense to me.

>>1448723
240p works in retroarch. pic related: 240p@120hz

>>1448873
Nice on low poly(5th gen) models to help take a bit of their edge off.

>>1447849
Scanlines have nothing to do with the type of video connection. They're an artifact of nonstandard video timings. If you can't see them using a real 240p console, your TV simply isn't sharp enough to make them visible.

>>1448873

I think it helps with 3D games that kind of have that uncanny valley feel to them. I don't think 6th gen consoles benefit much from CRT monitors, but I still use my CRT TV for them just because composite looks horrible on my LCD TV. I need to get a composite upscaler.

>>1448873
>240p@120hz
How do I set this up in RetroArch?

>>1448903
I just ran my monitor at that resolution, then opened up retroarc fullscreen.

>>1448903
>>1448910
set your monitor to 3200x240@120hz. i use CRU. then set a custom ratio in RA to scale up to the large horizontal res. this gets rid of some nasty scaling errors and you'll also be able to use shaders.

look at the emu general wiki for a link to dev builds. it was just compiled earlier today. you might want to keep a seperate RA folder for 320x240.

my main monitor is a CRT, but i have a flatscreen and another CRT hooked up that i use specifically for 240p

Someone on my local craigslist is selling a Teknika MJ-10 monitor that was used as a Commodore 64 monitor. I can't find much info about this thing at all, except for that it might have Chroma/Luma inputs like this Commodore 1702 in the picture. I understand this is just S-video, but is it feasible to output an s-video signal from a game console to this monitor? If so, would it make a good /vr/ TV?

>>1448928

>i use CRU. then set a custom ratio in RA

Speak English.

>>1449096
You should just have to get a 4-MiniDIN to RCA adapter to get it working if it does have the Chroma/Luma RCA jacks. Those cables aren't very common, though, so it might be fun trying to find one.

>>1449109

Is that what these are?

>>1449109

Think I found some.

http://www.cablesnmor.com/s-video-rca-adapters.aspx

>>1449101
Not him, but CRU = Custom Resolution Utility. I use it for my LightBoost monitor.

>>1448928
You need software black frame insertion if you're using 120Hz to fake 15kHz on a 31kHz CRT. Otherwise you will get a ghost image trailing motion.

Also it's a bad idea anyway because the scanlines are much too sharp.

>>1448873

It makes a lot of sense for pixelated low resolution early 3D games.

Are there any guides that say which PVM models will accept composite video as sync and which need composite sync?

>>1449568
>software black frame insertion
RetroArch has this feature

>Also it's a bad idea anyway because the scanlines are much too sharp
i like it that way, but i usually stick to my 2240x1680 with a filter for /vr/ emulation. its kind of a hassle to re-enable the third monitor (3200x240) every time i use it. AMD only supports 2 at once on a single card..unless you use displayport i believe. all my windows resize and i have to rearrange the desktops every time.

1/2 viewsonic 22"

>>1449985
2/2 dell trinitron 19"

>>1448897
>your TV simply isn't sharp enough to make them visible.
Or the TV is a piece of shit that interlaces the signal regardless if it's non-interlaced.
I saw one in action, and it was compatible with the zapper.

I've got a spare 22" PC CRT that I wan't to use for consoles and TV. It only accepts VGA input, so how do I do that, is SCAT to VGa even possible? Wouldn't timings be a problem etc.?

I've never really thought of scanlines as part of the "authentic experience". I got out my older TV (its a 2005 samsung) just to get rid of the washed out colors and graphic artifacts that I got on LCDs. But they are there, I guess.

>>1449986
are you using a PC dell ultrascan trinitron?
asking since there's one available in my area

>>1450779
Not him, but I have owned and used those. They're great.

>>1450790
I see, but it is a PC monitor right?

>>1450802
Yeah. Actually I never tried any native console resolutions on them, I just liked them a lot for PC image quality.

>>1450779
yeah i am. it can go up to 2240x1680. get it if you can

Is it just me or CRTs tend to tire moer your eyes than LCDs? I keep getting my eyes tired or irritated after long sessions of playing on my CRT (like 5 hours straight) and I just need to stop for a while. This never happened on LCD

>>1450880
Your eyes might be overly affected by CRT's natural flicker. Higher refresh rates are much easier on your eyes.

Am I going to get raped?

>>1450936
You take that risk opening your front door to pick the newspaper up from your porch every morning, anon.

That said, this is an excellent free package deal. Original manual and remote, digital tuner, and tuner remote. Shame about the right speaker grille if those are holes, but I would jump if I were you.

>>1450949

Life is suffering.

>>1450959
IKTFB. Free section is always a mad dash. I used to do the whole CL thing myself up until maybe '09. If you're not both lucky and fast, you're just wasting time.

I'm looking for some assistance if there's anyone with repair experience. I've got what appears to be a vertical collapse but it seems a bit more complicated than that. Have had this bvm for about 6 months, and there was suddenly an odd buzzing coming from it which prompted me to turn it on and off again, which lead to it failing. When I turn it on the screen gets bright with retrace lines, then collapses after a few seconds. I've replaced the caps on some of the boards but there is a huge amount of circuitry in this. I read that the retrace lines and brightness is caused by the G2 being too high but there's no adjustment for it on the flyback. Any ideas?

Anons, I ought to adimit that retro games were absolutely and irrevocably meant to be played in CRTs. I'm just baffled by how gorgeous my PS1 looks with component video, ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS, on the other hand its composite image is mediocre. I don't really know how to take good pictures but here's an example.

>>1451105
Smack it
For real!

>>1451109
Its all about that proper resolution.

Trying to get the best out of my PVM with my 15khz emulator ring.
Does anyone has a clue about good Snes, Genesis & PC-Engine emulators that supports the native resolutions (only found the shitty Zsnes so far...)?

>>1451123
Ironically, the image I get from my PS3 hooked up to a full HD led set is disgustingly blurry and pixelated -rough edges- if not seen from afar, whilst my PS2 which is plugged to aCRT has a sharp and very defined picture, even more f it's not fancier than the PS3's.

>>1451201
Are you using HDMI cables to hook up the PS3?

>>1451402
It wouldn't matter, the upscaling would always look like shit.

Playing emulators on a CRT at 1400x1050 with xBR upscaling.

Looks better than any real console connected to any CRT TV

>>1451402
Yes, it in fact uses the gold plated xbox 360 original HDMI cable, given that my elite 3RROD'ed in a year. Games such as Nier or Demon's Souls are very cringe worthy because I sit nearby the monitor, if I were to view it from further away I probably wouldn't notice the hideous, blurry aliasing -it fits what anon >>1451406 said-.

>>1451105
>but there's no adjustment for it on the flyback
Take a look at the neck board.

>and there was suddenly an odd buzzing coming from
I don't really have a clue but i saw a consumer Trintron with an similar issue.
The flyback was broken (the diodes inside it) and the picture was horizontally unstable.

>>1451112
BVM is expensive stuff but if it would work then it's either dry solder joints or bad internal connectors.
I would give it a try.

I gotta say, I'm not used to the sound of a CRT anymore...I notice it...

>>1451109
PS1 didn't output component though.

>>1453096

It didn't output component, but it did output RGB.

How are Viewsonic CRT monitors? Is one worth $15?
Also, how exaggerated are claims of Cancer?

>>1453212
>Also, how exaggerated are claims of Cancer?
Very. Unless you're buying a TV made in the 1940s or 50s, I wouldn't worry about it.
http://www.fda.gov/Radiation-EmittingProducts/ResourcesforYouRadiationEmittingProducts/ucm252764.htm
>It should be emphasized that most TV sets have not been found to give off any measurable level of radiation, and there is no evidence that radiation from TV sets has resulted in human injury.

>>1453220
Danke, mein freunde. So... any recommended CRT monitors for PC's? I just can't play Thief, Quake or anything with really deep tones on an LCD.

I remembered this today and thought I'd post it in the thread when I got home.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hiip9281FAg

how do I fix this nigger monitor?

>>1453294
I had that happen once on a CRT I got for free. A minute later it caught on fire and I had to run out of my house carrying the thing before my games caught on fire.

>>1453297
apprehension.

>>1453294
Vertical deflection is out. The monitor should be shutting off to protect the CRT.

DO NOT RUN THE MONITOR LIKE THIS. YOU WILL VERY QUICKLY BURN THE TUBE.

>>1453294
The vertical deflection failed.
And post model no. and more info.

>>1453301
No worries anon, I turned it off soon as I took the picture.
>>1453302
dell m992

>>1453310
Does the monitor have a service port on the back? Can you find information about who actually made the hardware?
For example, I've got an HP A7217A - it's actually a Sony monitor, though, on the G1W (FW900) chassis. If something fails, there's an RS232 port on the back where I can attach a computer for diagnostics.

>>1453294
OC DONUT STEEL

>>1453258
Sony Trinitron, Mitsubishi Diamondtron, LaCie Electron Blue, basically anything with an aperture-grille. Dell, HP, SGI, and Sun all had their own Trinitron re-brands too.

Now, those are my own personal recommendations. Some folks prefer the look of shadow mask CRTs and there's certainly nothing wrong with them. Best advice I can give you is to look at the spec sheet (should be pretty easy to find for most models) before you buy anything.

Ignore the factory preset resolutions and timings (you can customize these anyway) and instead look for a maximum horizontal scan rate of 100Khz or higher.

>>1453318
The chassis code is PNP.

>>1453310
I found nothing useful for an simple fix.

But i found the schematic:
http://www.eserviceinfo.com/downloadsm/26197/fujitsu%20siemens_19P4.html

If you can't tell the difference between a resistor and capacitor then you should give up.

However. I would open it, and inspect the boards for dry solder joints and for thermal damage.

>>1453363
Thanks! Will try.

>>1450873
on that subject, can these scanlines be made lighter? May buy ASAP if posible

I have this LXI Squareview 26 that I got recently. To what I understand they were made by different companies and sold by Sears, and this one worked with a remote programmed for Sanyo CRTs. Any way I can fix this? The menu is just this timecode thingy or something that goes up a number every time I hit the menu button on the remote.

OH GOD, /CRT/, HELP! THEY'VE TAKEN OVER THE HOUSE!

Damn, got some good stuff in there. No PC CRT?

>>1453950

Nice collection Anon, I really love Commodore monitors. How is the black TV sitting? Which brand and model?

>>1453950
Pardon the mess. This isn't even my full collection.

>>1454069
Unfortunately not. All this stuff is 15khz, even the Commodore monitors. The 1084S has a spot for a SCART connector that I'm planning on soldering on at some point, and it's the only CRT I have that has stereo speakers. The 1080 will need a SCART to DE-9 adapter.

>>1454094
Zenith Space Command SS1311W. As I mentioned in post >>1447552 it unfortunately doesn't power on right now. The chin door has been missing on the thing since I was a kid, though I do remember it having it at one point. It is RF only with an F connector on the back with a nice dipole antenna.

Speaking of the chin doors, that 20" PVM is the first PVM I've gotten a hold of with the splash guard intact, and I can see why most of them are missing. It's pretty flimsy and the one I have has a crack in it.

>>1454116
> that nasty mess and vidya

My nigga.

>>1454116
That reminds me, I need to set up a command station at some point.

Whats the best CRT I could get in Australia (did we have NEC?)

tfw found a workaround to the no sound problem but now I can't find my PS1 memory card ;_;

>>1454810
found it. everything is good now.

sage

>>1454116
>tfw always buying a litre bottle of Pepsi
>tfw never drink all of it and they start accumulating everywhere
>tfw nasty white humus starts to grow inside them

Hey /crt/,

this is my first post in a CRT thread. So, Last year I have bought and repaired two arcade cabinets with proper RGB monitors, and now I know how retro games should look like.

I have a shitty a CRT TV, 50HZ only, with Scart input. How could I get the best picture quality from a PS1? Am I gonna need a better TV?

>>1455386
>with Scart input
>best picture quality from a PS1
Get a RGB cable is the correct answer.

>>1455407
Not him, and I don't want to sound like a total idiot but what's the difference between scart and RGB?

my shit has two audio things (red and white) (my TV is mono so I only use one of them) and a yellow video one. pls respond

>>1455415
SCART can carry RGB (by default).
It's possible that some crappier than shit SCART TV does only use the composite signal.

>I don't want to sound like a total idiot
Unfortunately you do.
Is it so hard to open a new window of google and search something you don't know?

>>1455407
I'm a yuropoor, so SCART it is?

I've found these in my country:
http://www.dvdgalaxis.hu/rgb_scart_cable_40218

http://www.konzoluzlet.hu/25-sony-playstation-2-kabelek/368-rgb-scart-kabel-ps-one-hoz-ps2-hoz-es-ps3-hoz.html#prettyPhoto

I guess I should go with the one without the composite breakout, right?

Anyone have any experience with fixing light surface scratches on a CRT screen? They're off to the side and barely noticeable when playing, but if there's something I can do I'll give it a shot.

>>1455429
>I guess I should go with the one without the composite breakout, right?
Does not matter that much because the seller claims that it carries RGB.
The only potential problem is the quality of the wires itself.
These 2 cables look kinda thin. And i had an Gamecube RGB cable myself that was that thin and it broke afterwards. Shielding is also important, that GC cable i mentioned had some ghosting because there wasn't any shielding and one single ground wire.

>>1455423
It's a good thing you didn't say

>I don't want to sound like a jerk

>>1455441
Thanks, yeah the wire looks kinda thin, and I don't really like that the audio cables aren't separated.

Just saw that the Makvision 29" multisync monitors are back in stock, BNIB. $575 though.

>>1455429
Get one made by Logic3, I have one and it actually works in RGB mode, unlike other scart cable I bought before it that was just composite.

>>1456397
How will I know that my SCART isn't in RGB mode? The picture will look as shitty as before?

>>1456425
if its not true RGB, it will look identical to composite, you know the cable that comes with the system(yellow/red/white cables), also in ps2/3 you need to set it to RGB mode in options.

So I recently picked up a sylvania srt2420p off my friend. Is this a good CRT? has s-video. I've never heard of sylvania before

Just picked up a Dell CRT Monitor.

>>1457076
>I've never heard of sylvania before
They used to be a division of Philips. The brand name has been owned by Funai since 1992 or so.

>>1457154
Details?

>>1455386
Best possible PS1 image quality is achieved by playing on a PS2 with component cables.

>>1457160
None. It looks really generic.

>>1457176

I have one similar to that, these monitors are good for emulation on PC. They're capable of 240p 120hz and 1400x1050 60hz, so they have a very wide range of supported resolutions

>>1457176
Look around on the back for a model number. Looks like a 19" P991 to me, but all these black Dell CRTs look the same.

>>1457174
>Best possible PS1 image quality is achieved by playing on a PS2 with component cables
ha thats funny

>>1457196
I'm not him but it's comparable to RGB on a PS or PS2.

>>1457186
>>1457185
M782P.

>>1457245
Here's what I could find:
http://www.computerdisplays.co.uk/17%20inch%20monitors/dell%20m782p.htm
Not too shabby for a 17" shadow mask.

>>1457271
Wait, I don't get it. It says 1600x1200, then it claims to have a maximum of 1280x1024. Which is the truth?

>>1457283
1600x1200 is the maximum res.
1280x1024 is the recommended res.

>>1457285
I'm fine with 1280x1024.

>>1457285
That is standard, but are you just guessing or did you read that somewhere specifically?

>>1457294
Guessing. Technically, the maximum resolution is limited only by the horizontal scan rate. Likewise, the recommended (i.e. the highest resolution at which text remains sharp and legible) is limited only by the dot pitch.

>>1457283
could be
>>1457285
>>1457304

or could be bad ad copy

>>1457196
He's right though.

>>1457304

You can achieve the maximum resolution by forcing it (on old windows you could uncheck "mask unsupported modes"). When the monitor REALLY can't do it, it'll simply display "out of sync" before windows go back to the previous mode. You really need to get a hand on a PC monitor made before 1995 to have problems like frying your CRT by choosing the wrong resolution.

I got this Sony PVM-1271Q crtat a garage sale recently and It looks great, but it has an hourglass distortion as you can see from the pic.
None of the controls on the front fix it, and the only controls on the back are labeled "focus" and "scrn" Am I going to have to open it up to fix this?

>>1457327

Yes. Get a hand on the monitor service manual. Good luck anon.

>>1457323
That's essentially what I'm saying. The modes listed in the spec sheet are really just recommendations. Exceeding the maximum horizontal scan rate will result in an out-of-sync error as you mentioned.

>>1457174
Correct.

Best audio quality can also be achieved by using the PS2's optical out. There are a few PS1 games that won't play on PS2 though.

>>1457327
Try turning down the contrast. I find that high contrast can cause this kind if distortion.

>>1457174
Ah, no. Best possible PS1 image is playing on a PSX with RGB SCART.

>>1457751
It's practically the same thing.

>>1457751
They're basically identical

>>1454116
> This isn't even my full collection.
You mean there's more 2 liter Pepsi bottles?

What cables can I use to connect my dreamcast to my PVM-20L5

QUICK !!!!!!!!!!!

I need to know how much does a 20" Sony PVM Weights and what are the aprox dimensions

May buy one if affordable shipping

>>1457901
~65lbs
Assume a 20/21'' cube for the type with knobs for adjustments. Can't speak on the space saving models like the L5 series.

>>1457901
Sony has information about all of the models on their web site.

>>1457874
Get a VGA box and cut the "31KHz select" pin. Use a VGA->BNC cable.

>>1457917
thanks Fedex website says this should cost me around $50

>>1457931
That's not far off what I paid to ship mine.

Keep in mind what >>1457919 said, if you want more detailed info.

Also, that's without any packing materials, which you would want a sizable amount of for something like a PVM; It could very well end up in a 30-40'' box once everything is said and done.

We should petition Sony to make Trinitron WEGA analog CRTs again. Tired of always finding CL listings a day after they have already been taken.

>>1458530

They won't be able to do it, Sony is going bankrupt. We need to make a whole NEW corporation that only make CRTs and video equipment.

>>1458530

They can't, they wont be able to sell them as much as they would want. Also, they're in a REALLY bad shape.

>>1458530
Sony doesn't even make their own TVs anymore, it's all outsourced.

>>1458617
Source?

Last I heard, they had a joint venture with some other company to produce LCD panels.

my crt here is probably nothing special, but holy shit after coming here and seeing these crt threads the last while i pulled an old beko tv out and the difference to my hdtv's are amazing

last blade 2 emulated on my original xbox

>>1458628
whoops

>>1445115
More than you can pay for it, as it is the norm for anything Commodore.

>>1447552
>Zenith Space Command SS1311W
The full name alone makes me want to get one.

Is there any significant lag if I am running a PC with Svideo output into a CRT with scart?

Card I'm running is a GeForce 8500GT if that matters.

>>1457285
But 1280x1024 doesn't have square pixels.

>>1458727
The Zenith Space Command brand goes all the way back to 1955 with Zenith being one of the first companies to offer wireless remotes. Space Command originally was the name for their wireless remote, which ran on ultrasound instead of infrared like most remotes today.

>>1458738
So use 1280x960 instead. Again, those are just recommendations on the spec sheet. You can use any arbitrary combination of resolution and refresh rate so long as you don't exceed the horizontal scan rate.

So I got a new CRT a few days ago and it only has composite and S-video plugins. Would using an S-video cable with my Wii be even remotely comparable to using component cables?

>>1459031
Wouldn't be as good, but it's still a huge step from composite.

>>1459036
Ah thanks. I have a CRT that I use with component cables, but the screen sometimes gets discolored, and I feel like it's about to go kaput.

Does anyone have a link to the pastebin that explains the quality differences between RF, composite, s-video, and component?

>>1459143
If you meant the one from the last thread, then i have some bad news for you:
>http://pastebin.com/HnXaJa7F
>This paste has been removed!

>>1458767
when my grandpa told me he could change the channel by shaking a can full of nickels i never believed him.

until he showed me.

polite sage.

>>1459182
That wasn't the only problem, animals could hear that ultrasound of the remote and might get scared and do some dumb shit.

>>1459171
>implying anything vanishes from internet
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://pastebin.com/HnXaJa7F

>>1457334
>>1457379
No such luck, but I did improve the color somewhat.

I am potentially looking at two different monitors that I may purchase but I am torn between the two.

One is a SONY BVM-20E1U which has been professionally calibrated. Apparently has 1000 lines, and 74,949 hour on the chassis. The CRT was replaced at 43,125 hours. It has about 9 hours since full service. The price is rather high (around $500 after shipping)

The other is an Ikegami TM20-90R Monitor in good condition, 900 lines, made in 2004, with unknown hours and would cost around 300 dollars all together.

I'm leaning towards the Ikegami, but the BVM seems great too.

Also, I'm torn between both since the BVM = Aperature Grille, and the Ikegami would most likely be a Shadow Mask...

>>1459720
That Ikegami looks damn pretty, but your mileage will always vary with CRTs but the fact that the BVM has been professionally calibrated and has had the CRT entirely replaced definitely makes that guaranteed to look better than the Ikegami, which may or may not have geometry or convergence issues (And will in all likelihood). It's really expensive, as PVMs and BVMs generally don't go for over $200 or so, but a completely refurbished monitor like that is probably worth that much if you're comfortable with spending that much.

If you do plan on getting the BVM you should make sure it has the necessary cards for RGB/S-Video/Composite/whatever else. If I recall right, they aren't like the PVMs where they have the ports right on the back; they need optional expansion cards plugged in for any ports.

>>1459273
Hello anon, my pvm 1910 has the same chassis layout.

I wonder if that's common for all Trinitrons?

>>1459720
Ikegami still has CRT's listed on their site.

http://www.ikegami.com/br/products/hdtv/hdtv_monitor_frame1.html

Are these actually brand new CRT's or are they refurbished?

>>1445115

Damn times change. Back in the 90s you could pick up boxes of Commodore shit for like 50 bucks at computer shows. I mean like, multiple computers, boxes of disks, retail, new and copies, carts, all kinds of shit.

>>1458737
Shouldn't be much lag if any from a graphics card TV encoder, but you'll be very limited in the resolutions that are supported. You are basically guaranteed not to get real 240p from that output.

>>1460004
Ikegami is apparently the last CRT holdout still going, as their HTM monitors are listed as currently available. Here is a seller who has the HTM-1917-R new for $8,574.95:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/632861-REG/Ikegami_HTM1917R_HTM_1917_R_19_HDTV_SDTV_Multi_Format.html

I wonder where they are sourcing the CRTs from: nearly everything in these Ikegamis is made in Japan (the service manual lists the country of origin for each part, down to the resistor), especially the critical CRT, so they are either using old stock tubes or CRT production is still going on at a Matsushita plant or something...

I just got KV-32FQ70E for free. Is it any good?

>>1461595
It's 16:9 FD Trinitron, and apparently WEGA.

How do monitors like this generally run the older consoles?

>>1460115
this is where the majority of my DOS and Windows 95/98 games came from.

>>1461601
take a picture of the connections on the back.

>>1461623
I'll be able to take it back home this weekend, but I have the manual at hand. It lists the inputs as
21-pin Euro (Audio, Video, RGB)
21-pin Euro (Audio, Video, S-Video)
4-pin DIN S-Video
+ jacks

This should also be the same TV
http://img.2dehands.be/f/normal/114271368_3-tv-sony-trinitron-82cm-modele-kv32fq70b.jpg

I have a Panasonic TX-28CK1F

I don't really do much with it besides use it while playing on consoles. I usually let my sister's kids play some Crash and Ninja when they're visiting my home.
The bad part is that a few years back, the kids carved on the case of the CRT with a nail they found. Bunch of weird markings and smilies.
Googled the pic.

>>1461908
Heh, kids are naturally destructive when they're trying to be creative.

I was pretty careless with our TVs when I was a kid. I wish I still had those TVs today but the memories will have to suffice.

>>1462141
Indeed, kids tend not to let anything stop their 'creativity spree'. Apparently they wanted to make some flowers around the screen, but ended up playing tic-tac-toe so see who gets to draw them.
I'm not really angry about it. The old lady just looks like it's seen better days, but it still works like a charm.
I think my uncle had one of those small 'portable' black-and-white TVs back when I was a kid.

Last time I asked for help was last year, but in the past 2 days I've been ripping my hair out over this shitty kv27fs13.

I played Mother 2 and had to deal with the picture on the left curving in a little.

Other than that, everything fit on screen. Well I put retroarch on the wii and have been experimenting, which resulted in me reseting the service menu settings like 6 times.

Currently I have it 70% good again but now the right side has that curve in.

Simply making hsiz larger doesn't help, as it makes the picture worse. I'll upload a picture in a moment.

At first the picture would be all kinds of distorted, wavy etc. But After fiddling for the past 6 hours I've got it ok. I know in every game it will look different but it is really unnerving.

I wish I didn't get this set. Apparently geometry and convergence issues are extremely common with most wega trinitrons.

>>1462231
Shit's fucked, go get another.

>>1461657
It looks like analog minus VGA. You should have no trouble except aspect ration.

/crt/, feel free to correct me

>>1462369
You're probably right, though aspect ratio on TVs like this is normally no problem. Just make sure to use a 4:3 preset and it'll be fine.

>$1999

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nCmPjlDBhs

>>1462812
My mom was surprised when I told her I found a Sony TRINITRON WEGA for free a while ago. She thought the people giving it away were crazy.

>>1462369
Sounds good, thanks.

>>1462812
wat

>>1462962

So what exactly do I have here? My friend bought it for me an auction house he works for, only a dollar or so and gave it to me. I just use it to play NES games and shit. Is it worth re-selling? Is it cool?

>>1463108
Looks like a monochrome (amber) computer monitor to me. You're connecting via composite, right? The OP image (>>1443694) is an Apple composite monochrome monitor that displays in green.

Green and amber were two very popular colors for monochrome computer monitors.

As for cool, I for one think so, but only because of its novelty.

>>1463150
Our college had one of these beasts in storage that I found with an amber monitor. Never found any disks for it, so the only thing I ever did was infinite loops with the onboard BASIC.

What's up with some PVM monitors having what looks like a spot for an RF input? I've never seen any of them with anything installed in this spot.

>>1463406

Looks too big for RF input, look more like some DIN socket.

>>1454292
At one point, I had an NEC-brand CRT television, so I am pretty sure Australia did. As for best, you could probably find someone trying to sell a Sony PVM somewhere close, depending on where you live.

>>1462284

Yeah that's what I feared, no matter how much time and work I put into this it will never truly be 100%. That's the only plus to the shitty wega trinitrons. You can get them for cheap (most of the time)

I'm not buying into this shitty flat screen gimmick again. I'm going for the curved screens like I should have from the beginning.

What resolution should I be setting retroarch snes on the Wii?

It's connected to a 480i CRT with component.

Everything aside from 640x480i setting looks good.

I use 640x240p but it doesn't seem right, shouldn't I be able to choose 320x240?

>>1464056
Here's the list of resolutions for RetroArch Wii I have created, which includes SNES:
http://pastebin.com/rPk15bRT

>>1464065

Thank you!

>>1462284

Though the only thing that sucks is that more modern things fill the screen. (maybe overscan?)

>>1464052
lel

How would a CRT PC monitor + XRGB-2 (or 3) compare to a natively 15khz monitor?

I have a question, it's about CRT computer monitors though (not a PVM or something, just a regular CRT computer monitor).

I'm going to grab a computer CRT monitor, hook up my Dreamcast via VGA and a few consoles that do 480P (their names aren't allowed to be said on /vr/) to it. I'm also going to use it as a third monitor for my computer and use it for older PC games that don't support widescreen or even only use low resolutions (Fallout, Planescape, etc.)

Now here's my question: Do older CRTs like that have screen tearing issues? I forget. If so, do I need a CRT monitor with a higher refresh rate to make screen tearing not visible? Yes, I know vsync exists, but I'm not wanting to use that for said monitor. Any help would be appreciated.

>>1464605
>Do older CRTs like that have screen tearing issues?
No. CRT monitors never buffer the screen in any way. They display exactly the video signal exactly when they receive it.

>>1464607

Oh ok, awesome. So 85hz or even 60hz should do then.

>>1464615
CRT monitors can be set to different refresh rates. It depends on your resolution. Lower res = higher refresh rate available.

>>1464890

Oh, that's right. I plan on just using 1024x768 most of the time too on the monitor too.

So, I'm opening up my PVM to replace a broken handle on the front and it pretty much will require me to take all the boards out of the monitor. Anything safety wise I need to know besides discharging the flyback transformer and CRT anode?

>>1464605
>>1464607
All CRTs have screen tearing issues if you don't use vsync. Vsync is the only way to completely avoid tearing. If you set the refresh rate high enough and preferably not an integer multiple of the frame rate you can make the tearing less obvious, but it's still there.

>>1465419
Can't vsync cause lag of up to 1 whole frame though? I'd rather deal with occasional tearing on fast games.

Do PVMs have audio and video OUT? I have a snes I can play in RGB with a euro scart to BNC connector and was wondering if there was a way to send the video to the PVM, and then to something else out FROM the monitor so I can record as I'm playing.

TLDR: is there a way to record and play on a PVM at the same time?

>>1465631
All three of the PVM models I have, which are medical ones, have video and audio out for Composite, S-video, and RGB/Component. You'll just need to take a look at the back of the PVM and you can tell real quick if it has them.

That said, I'd be interested in any equipment for recording RGB video.

>>1465639

So if I get a PVM, what do I use to record?

>>1465648
That's what I'd like to know as well. I've never seen any RGB recording equipment. It might be easier to find recorders for YPbPr/YUV.

>>1465631
After opening that gif in gimp, it actually changes direction every 4 seconds. It isn't an optical illusion or whatever, just a simple trick to make you think you're actually changing the direction.

>>1465631
My small, archaic PVM has RGB, S-video, and composite + audio inputs but only composite + audio output. TBH I've never tried its output.

However, you shouldn't let a lack of outputs on the device stop you if you're willing to pick up an extra piece of useful equipment. You could use a distribution amplifier (amplified signal splitter basically) to split the output to both your display and recorder. I know they make SCART dist amps.

I don't know anything about PAL recording equipment, having never seen or used any myself. But as an American I would probably use an RGB-to-component transcoder and record on a computer with a capture card/box (or a DVR) with component input. I actually have a DVD-DVR that accepts NTSC component input but sadly all of my computer TV capture devices have S-video input at best.

Actually that brings up another option. If I really wanted to display something in RGB but record in S-video from a source device that can output both simultaneously, I wouldn't muck around with conversions or dist amps or even monitor pass-throughs, I'd work that angle: Find a way to divert RGB to your monitor and S-video to your recorder.

>>1463406
Could those be holes for a security lock/loop?

>>1462812
This made me smile, Aussiebro.

From this I'm tempted to post American consumer electronics commercials that I grew up with in the '80s-'90s, store loops, employee training videos, and other things related to now-defunct electronics stores. Not CRT- or /vr/-related enough though.

>For audio and video, whatever you need
>We've got it at the right price, guaranteed
>We're the good guys!
>We've got to be good

>Come to the place that welcomes
>Technology with a heart
>Welcome to Circuit City
>Where service is state of the art

>>1465651
>I've never seen any RGB recording equipment.
Expensive PCI capture cards with RGB input for PCs do exist.
>It might be easier to find recorders for YPbPr/YUV.
Exactly, i use a homemade SCART RGB transcoder with a cheap USB capture device to do this.

>>1465763
Look up the PEXHDCAP, all you need to do is get a properly wired scart to VGA cable for it and it'll work and usually you can get it for $100

>CRT PC monitor
>That flicker and eye fatigue
>Even with 85 kz refresh

I forgot this suffering.

>>1467198
It could be due to the fact that I've never not used a CRT(Monitor or otherwise), but 85hz doesn't bother me at all. Going back to 60 is down right painful though.

>>1467198
I was testing out a CRT at a second-hand store and I forgot how irritating it is to play a CRT in the dark.

I swear to fucking got, this place was so dark, I thought I just walked out of a time machine!

Guys what is the best 240p emulation for dummies?

Wii or Xbox ?

Do you think i can use an HD 4670 that is collecting dust to get 240p on a CRT ?(the CRT only has S-video in), i heard it was a pain the ass to set this up, and most emulators won't launch because the UI gets all messed up

Or is there a step by step guide to do this ?

how'd i do /vr/? i got a 32 inch Sanyo CRT. model AVM-3259G. it's a nice size and pretty much every game looks nice on it.

>tfw no CRT monitor

I had a few that were ruined in a basement flood.

I'm trying to play DOS games but the filters look like ASSSSS pic related

Where would I find one? And what do I want to look for so it can work on my modern PC? Could I use it as a second monitor?

>>1468036
forgot pic

>>1468036
>240p scanline filter for VGA DOS games

VGA DOS games were always line doubled to 480p.

>>1468048
Well I said it looked bad

>>1468038
>>1468048
Is there any way to get a decent CRT filter for DOSbox without having to install a new version?

Got a Trinitron that's making a loud humming sound when turned on. I've had a few before and they made the same sound but never as loudly.

The picture is sexy as fuck compared to my last tube TV so I'd like to keep this one around.

Any good resources for maintenance, and anything I should be concerned about?

>>1457327
Look for a pincushion adjustment pot. That'll most likely help fix it.

So I just recently switched my dreamcast from composite cables to s-video. I don't notice any difference :(

>>1467358
Wii. Xbox doesn't do 240p.

If you want to go down the PC route, look up "CRT Emudriver".

>find 27" SDTV in a random second hand store after work
>tell the guy if he can hold it for me while I go get my money from home
>it's just a 5 minute walk from there
>come back
>someone else already bought it

FUUUUCK THIS SHIT!

>>1468678
Does the humming drops the intensity after a while? goes louder or stay t he same?

>>1467358
>>1469090
>CRT Emudriver
Note that this will require additional hardware to output to a TV that only has S-video in, since this driver doesn't use the component/S-video output of the graphics card. You'll need a TV encoder.

>>1467670
It's nice and simple in all the right ways for an SDTV. Besides not having component inputs, I'd say this was a nice score. Good job, anon!

>>1468036
>Where would I find one?
Check Craigslist, ebay local, used PC equipment and repair shops, possibly thrift shops, etc. In my area there are PC recycling shops that like to get old PC equipment back in the hands of people who want it.

>>1468930
Could be your display (it might be really good where its comb filter makes composite look great or really crappy where additional details can't be seen), your cables (it might actually be wired for composite), or you might just not have viewed material that makes the differences easy to spot. If the last, try analyzing edges for heavy dot crawl with both cable types.

>>1469481
Realistically, the salesman couldn't be expected to wait for you (and potentially flake, no offense) if someone else walked in and had cash in hand. Also, you might have simply drawn attention to it so that he could hide it and buy it for himself or look it up and raise the price based on value.

I never, never tip off salespeople that I'm interested in something if I can't buy it right then and there. They won't save anything and I can't blame them for it. They want the thing sold above anything else, so it's my responsibility to find a way to buy it before anyone else does. It's all fair.

>>1469753
It seems to have quieted down or I'm used to it now, I don't know. It was just the usual him sound when the TV first turns on.

>>1459031

Make sure you get a cable from a reputable brand. The cheap knockoffs always feed the composite signal to one of the svideo pins to save a wire, which results in a picture with a lot of interference.

>>1469904
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000K13J/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

that's the cable I bought. Honestly I guess you can say it looks a bit less blurry than the composite cables

I just got a CRT TV. I'm guessing that TVs usually do this but it's emitting a barely audible high-pitched whine (it's one of those things that really bothers you when your hearing is hyper-sensitive) Do you get used to it after a while?

Do you guys like Sony pvm's?

I guess they don't play sound? Need to hookup a stereo for audio?

>>1470856
Welcome to the wonderful world of crt's. You'll find they do a good job reflecting lights and sunshine too.

>>1470867
And what a wonderful world it is! I'm taking it to the dump.

>>1470873
Don't ruin a perfectly good TV, drop it off at Goodwill or give it to a friend.

>>1470873
Yeah, can't blame ya.

The problem with CRT's is all the things you have to watch out for.

A good one works great but you'll never have bad geometry, focus or color bleeding on an LCD.

>>1470873

What king of pussy hears do you have?

>>1468698
As far as I can tell it didn't have such an adjustment anywhere.

>>1468408
- first, you need d-fend reload (or a dosbox frontend)
- Next, you download this dosbox version: http://ykhwong.x-y.net/
- you use it to replace the dosbox you had in your d-fend folder
- now, you desactivate any filters you use with your game in d-fend
- you launch your game in window screen mode
- You must now see some an option bar.
- Click on Video->output->Direct 3D
- Click on Video->Resolution->Fullscreen->Desktop
- Click on Video->Direct3D Pixelshader
- Choose CRT.D3D.br.fx or CRT.D3D.fx or what you want.
- Go now in Fullscreen mode.
-Enjoy

It's the only way.

>>1470754

That cable doesn't have composite so you should be fine. The manufacturer couldn't "borrow" a wire from it.

>>1470856

That's inductor whine from the flyback transformer. It shouldn't be audible at a normal viewing distance.

If the coils on the transformer have become loose, the whine can be louder than it should be. It's possible to pot the coil with non-conductive glue to dampen it.

>>1470906

You've got seven adjustment pots on there that I can see. One of them has to be it. The service manual for your model will tell you which is which, or you can experiment.

>>1471054
I don't see why using composite as chroma substitute is bad, it's almost the same thing.

>>1471080

The extra unwanted signal on the wire both reduces the bandwidth available for chroma information and causes interference in the picture.

>>1458767
Space Command Master Race here, our dad bought this thing in 1980 and it still works fine. This is the TV we played our first Nintendo on, on Christmas Day 1989.

>>1470856
You never get used to it. Emulate and use a PC monitor CRT which doesn't have this problem. You can even use 120Hz + black frame insertion to get true 240p scanlines if you're a scanline fetishist.

>>1471128
Another pic to show off those sexy legs.

>>1471102
>The extra unwanted signal on the wire both reduces the bandwidth available for chroma information
Composite is a bandwidth reduced Luma (brightness) signal with chroma (color) added.
Chroma is a sinewave at color subcarrier frequency (NTSC 3.57Mhz and PAL 4.43Mhz).
Which changes it's phase depending on the color and the amplitude depending on the saturation.

>causes interference in the picture.
Unshielded wires cause that, interference is the effect of the magnetic fields that neighbor wires can generate if a significant current is flowing (inductivity).
If no current flows then there's no magnetic field because there isn't a load resistance (in that case: 75ohm termination).

I bet you don't know how these signals in a oscilloscope, because if you did then you would gave such a nonsensical reply.

>>1471136
>would gave such a nonsensical reply.
*wouldn't
I always keep noticing a typo after i post.

>>1470876
Oh, sorry, I just got back from the dump. I even took a 9-iron and drove a hole into the screen for good measure before I dropped it off. I never would have thought to donate it to Goodwill. Uh-oh Spaghettio's, lol :p

>>1471136

Running signals at different frequency/amplitude doesn't save you on a wire, where electrons must still physically share space. You have a bandwidth ceiling you cannot get around.

I have a Rigol and occasionally hook it up to AV to diagnose issues in old systems or cables, but I'm not sure what you think the graph is supposed to demonstrate in regard to shoving the wrong signal into a console's input.

Interference in the picture doesn't necessarily mean outside EM interference on the wire. The set is reacting poorly to what it's reading and adding artifacts to the output. Pic related.

>>1471136

Thanks poindexter we all have access to wikipedia too.

>>1470906
>PVM-1271Q
Is that the inky PCB in it?

>>1471175
*only, not inky wtf

Also, I wouldn't just start dicking around with too many pots all willy-nilly.

>>1471160
What i said was pure experience.

>Running signals at different frequency/amplitude doesn't save you on a wire
Originally i said:
>I don't see why using composite as chroma substitute is bad, it's almost the same thing.
as reply to:
>That cable doesn't have composite so you should be fine. The manufacturer couldn't "borrow" a wire from it.
I think you didn't read my posts correctly, because i only meant the chroma signal.

However, i had little interference problems with my homemade cable.
A few internal wires (the cable ends in a box) like 5 cm long were unshielded.
Look at the sky, there's a slight diagonal pattern.

>>1471196
Here i replaced all unshielded wires against shielded ones, the pattern is completely gone.
Ignore brightness/contrast difference, i was messing around with the setting of my capture device (has YUV input).

>>1471180
The other board is only HV stuff I believe.

>>1471218
Please post photos of them all if you can. I think I might be able to identify it.

>>1469904
>>1471080
>>1471196

You don't want to shove composite into the chroma pin on your TV's S-Video jack. The TV will do unpredictable things with it.

Speaking from experience a couple years ago with shitty Chinese Multi-AV cables going to a Sony Trinitron. They gave me rolling diagonal lines in the picture on all three consoles (SNES/N64/GC). I cracked open the Multi-AV connectors on the cables and swapped the pins to give the S-Video the proper pinout. This eliminated the problem, and the wires on these shitty cables weren't even shielded. The composite connector no longer works because the corresponding pin on the Multi-AV connector is now pulling chroma from the game console instead, but if I ever want composite I've got plenty of composite-only cables.

>>1471218
>>1471226

Service manual:
http://elektrotanya.com/sony_pvm1271q.pdf/download.html

Careful, it's schematic-heavy.

>>1471247
Here is the pincushion portion of the board.

Someone on the internet apparently had an issue with the pin adjustment not working, and fixed it by replacing transistor Q-806. If you are having trouble locating that portion on your PCB, finding the transistor labeled Q-806 (the label is silkscreened onto the board) would be a good way to make sure you are in the right section.

>>1471269
Thanks, I'll take a look at the board and try to find that area.

>>1471239
>The TV will do unpredictable things with it.
There should be a highpass filter on the chroma input which blocks potentional low frequency parts like luma and sync.
I just checked the schematic of my TV, i found a bunch of resistors and capacitors between the chroma processor and the chroma pin of SCART 2.

>They gave me rolling diagonal lines in the picture on all three consoles
Sound like the chroma signal interferes with the luma signal.

>The composite connector no longer works because the corresponding pin on the Multi-AV connector is now pulling chroma from the game console instead,
>I cracked open the Multi-AV connectors on the cables and swapped the pins to give the S-Video the proper pinout.
>This eliminated the problem
Weird, because i honestly don't understand this.
Maybe the chroma decoder of your Trinitron just dislikes low frequency parts on the chroma input.
I can think of that a DC offset (luma+sync) on the chroma input can cause a parasitic/unintended current inside the chroma decoder, which could leak into the luma signal. But other than that i'm clueless why your fix actually worked.

>the wires on these shitty cables weren't even shielded.
That's a serious problem, i'm sure that this made your problem worse.
But my homemade cable is based on a Multi-AV plug which came from a RGB cable which was also unshielded. Also a single ground wire isn't good either.

>>1471305
It's a KV-27FS100L, which you'd figure should have a filter. Long story short, don't feed it anything extraneous.

>i'm sure that this made your problem worse.

Interference from the lack of shielding is there, but it's extremely minor compared to what it was doing with the composite signal.

>>1470862
My PVM (very old) has a mono speaker.

>>1471320
>It's a KV-27FS100L, which you'd figure should have a filter.
I just checked the schematic:
D231 RD9.1EW-T1 to ground (zener diode for overvoltage protection);
R227 75ohms 1/10W to ground (termination);
C302 100nF 50V (coupling capacitor) between the S-Video input and IC001 M65582MF-100FP MICRO/Y-C-J/COMB (that IC does most of the work).
There is nothing else.

Another good reason to have a good old 90s Trinitron, like the one i own.

>TL;DR; You just got rekt. Your TV does not have a highpass filter on chroma in.

>>1471357
>Your TV does not have a highpass filter on chroma in.

Not too tore up about that. At least my tube has younger phosphor with low hours on it, and there's no reason to be feeding it signals it isn't expecting in the first place.

>>1471357
>TL;DR; You just got rekt. Your TV does not have a highpass filter on chroma in.
I believe anon's whole point was that it is highly preferable not to feed junk into any given display when possible. Your reply:

>There should be a highpass filter on the chroma input which blocks potentional low frequency parts like luma and sync.
Well, you were wrong, weren't you. There wasn't one, was there. So let's all just learn from the wrongness of your assumption that (a) the other anon shouldn't have agreed with you just to shut you up and (b) it's smarter not to feed a junk signal to any given display than assume, as you did, that it's okay.

>>1471363
>and there's no reason to be feeding it signals it isn't expecting in the first place.
Your TV is quite intolerant when it comes to input.
A sign of quality is when a device gets a off-spec signal and tries to make the best of it.
But my theory of parasitic/unintended current seems to be quite correct in that case.

I'm right now wearing Sony MDR-RF4000 wireless headphones, and expected some serious quality when i bought it because it's a Sony. I realized that it was total garbage (electrical), when i opened it and analyzed the circuits (because of malfunctions). But i managed to fix it in the end.
I will never buy a Sony product from the 2000s (or newer) again. When my TV breaks (i highly doubt that) then i go on a journey to find a another Trinitron from the 90s.

>>1471392
>Well, you were wrong,
Yes, i think that my theory about the parasitic/unintended current was right.

>junk signal
>composite
Very ironic statement, when i consider that some anons use that to play their games.

>>1471427
>some anons use that to play their games

And we pity them for it.

>>1471427
>i think that my theory about the parasitic/unintended current was right
Then you're simply agreeing with everything being said and you're not #rekting anyone. If arbitrary displays can't be expected to filter chroma from composite, avoid feeding composite over chroma. This is how and why it's obvious that anon's cable fix would work.

>Very ironic statement, when i consider that some anons use that to play their games.
Well presumably they're not intentionally force-feeding it into S-video jacks like dummies.

>>1471269
None of the pin adjustments had any effect on the image so I'll try replacing that q-806 transistor.
>>1471226
Here

>>1471673
OK, good luck, hopefully it solves the problem. That is apparently a rather old model monitor, so you might consider doing a cap kit while you've got it taken apart.

>>1471690
Is that replacing all the caps or only certain ones?

>>1471713

May as well do all the electrolytics while you've got it open. Even if some of the old caps are still good, they won't be far from the end of the line.

Hey /CRT/ the op shop I work at just got two fairly large CRT's in which should I choose?
The 27"panasonic quantrix F (100 Hz)
Or
The random hitachi whose name I do not know (pic related)
They're both free only got room for one
Also they're Australian if that makes a difference

>>1468408
RetroArch has had a DOSBox core for a while now.

This is CRT Geom Halation showing the status screen of Vagrant Story.

For comparison, would anyone be willing to do a CRT shot?

>CRT monitor @240p
>Original hardware, RGB, CRT TV

I am most interested in whether the level of pixilization is similar, and how different, when viewed at a distance does the shader compare to the real thing.

>>1471823

>>1471787

Widescreen TVs aren't great for retro vidya because they have to do digital processing on the signal.

>>1471826
CRT monitor @240p > digital camera > LCD screen
is going to look pretty close.

I'm in emugen right now and I could have already set up my CRT monitor to do it, but I don't feel like it.

>>1471801
speaking of that, has anyone ever gotten that to work? I've never gotten anything to run on RA Dosbox.