/vr/ - Retro Games

At what point does a map count as a spoiler?

OP's map looks familiar but I can't quite recall what it is. Assist?

>>1465807
You are now aware that the lower left portion of the LoZ2 map is where the entirety of LoZ1 occurs. Don't believe me? Compare it to the LoZ1 map.

>>1465807

Looking at it like that the world feels a lot smaller than i remember it.
Also
>XP locations marked as xp, exp and experience
The map maker should make up his fucking mind.

Remember the dude that laser-etched the world map for Super Mario Land into his laptop

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46429967@N00/sets/72157612666668835/

>>1465819
I'm not seeing it, elaborate.

Zelda 1 map for reference

>>1465835
>>1465838
The location of the graveyard, Spectacle Rock, the lakes, and forest are very similarly placed.

>>1465815
I don't know what game it is, but just looking at it makes me think of a hint I read in a game magazine like a decade about "palm trees... and 8"

never even played the game but it's burned into my brain

>>1465814
It's a spoiler if it significantly removes some of the challenge. If a map isn't hard to navigate figure out in the first place, it's no big deal, but that's not the case for a lot of these old games.

>>1465815
>>1465846
I believe that's Seiken Densetsu: Final Fantasy Gaiden aka Final Fantasy Adventure.

>>1465871
I never realized that they fit together so well. I guess it makes sense to save space

>That moment when you realized all the levels in snake rattle and roll all fit together perfectly
>That other moment when you realized they spelled "nintendo gameboy" on the map
details man, shits nuts

>>1465947
What game is this?

>>1465986
oh shit what?!
that's awesome

>>1466008
Ambermoon

this makes me miss pre-internet days

Back in the day when technology was limited, it was popular for RPG's to come with fold-out maps that help you explore the game. Here's the companion map that came with Ultima 4.

And here's what the world actually looks like in-game.

Somewhat spoilery, because you're supposed to find the dungeons and shrines on your own.

It's amazing how small it all looks once you put it down on a single image. When you're actually in almost any of these worlds, it feels gigantic.

World and dungeon map for Joltima, the best Ultima clone on the TI-83 series calculator

I could look at these for hours

>>1466062
It's basic psychology. Content-gating also contributes to the illusion of worlds being much bigger than they are.

>>1465797
Full size won't fit so I had to lower it a bit

>>1466049
In Ultima 3 they expected you to even mark the cities and teleporters yourself.
The world was a lot smaller (64x64 vs 256x256) so you didn't really need the overland map.

>>1466098
It's interesting that Pokemon actually has a non-square map. I wonder if there's actually anything in the empty spaces? Maybe the buildings themselves?

>>1466102
>I wonder if there's actually anything in the empty spaces?
No, the game will fill the empty space with whatever the blank area object is for that area is if you get near it. So if you're in a forest and you noclip near the edge you will just see more trees since that's what the blank area object is for that specific area. Actually walking into the blank space will crash the game though. Although it is possible to traverse these areas without crashing using some crazy glitches.

>>1466062
Part of it has to do with how little you see at one time. You process 15 tiles at a time out of 2000, and combined with your character speed, it seems like a lot more than it is. It's amazing how big even Pokemon Red and Blue feel walking compared to biking/running (in FRLG)

>>1466125
Also the fact that you're constantly being stopped by random battles, trainer battles, little obstacles that you have to do a sidequest to pass, the gyms, etc.

Imagine using a cheat code to disable random battles, and bicycling around the world in Pokemon Red. It probably wouldn't even take ten minutes to cover all the ground in the game.

Or to use a non-retro example, Yume Nikki. You could spend hours exploring every little nook and cranny of that game, but once you know where everything is, it can be beaten in about twenty minutes.

>>1466020
la bible des pokes
son of a gun I had that shit it was insane

>>1466149
Knights of Xentar, eh?

Isn't that a hentai game?

>>1466130
You could say that about many RPGs too, the first Dragon Warrior/Quest is a pretty small map, but with all those battles, getting lost, and navigating the menus, it takes a hell of a lot longer than if you could just walk around freely.

>>1466153
Maaaybe.

Technically not, if you have the CD version and don't apply the NR-18 patch.

>>1466160
*compared to future entries of the series the map is small

>>1465986

Figured out the fit together 20-something years ago playing the game with no map, but the Game Boy bit is new to me.

/hr/ has a pretty good thread of these right now.
>>>/hr/1991866

Earthbound is another good example of maps that fit together into a larger whole. Full pixel map is too large to post here but it's on starmen.net

starmen.net/mother2/maps/

>>1466172
I especially like the 1999 map because you never really get a good look at the era in-game

>>1466181
I thought the 1999AD map wasn't even in the game files?

>>1466160
Yeah, I'm not knocking it, I'm just making an observation.

Most retro games (and modern games, for that matter) employed those kinds of tricks to make the world seem bigger than it really is, because making legitimately HUGE worlds just wasn't feasible with the technology at the time.

>>1466194
I think it is in the beta version. At some point in development they probably wanted The Day of Lavos to be an entire world like the other eras.

The most unique map ever in a retro RPG. I'm not even joking here. Does any other game use the real Earth map?

>>1466208
A friend of mine told me how he didn't have the map for Pirates so he drew one by hand and at one point realized it was actually the Caribbean.

>>1466218

>>1466218

>dem islets in the 1999 map ( >>1466194 ) and not in the 600 AD map ( >>1466172 )

>>1466218

>>1466218
>>1466227
What did they have in hueland? Monkey monsters?

http://l.j-factor.com/glider/Slumberland_1.png

>try to post
>Error: Image resolution is too large

>>1466218

>>1466286
>>krautchan

>>1466316
>yfw I'm actually a Brazilian joking around
Please don't be so serious.

>>1465806
Legacy of the Wizard, right? I just bought this cart today. Trying to avoid spoilers even if I've seen this map before. Looking forward to playing it.

>>1466130
man, I didn't even know that Yume Nikki had an ending. I just walked around and looked at stuff for an hour or two and didn't touch it again. Figured I'd leave it for another dark and stormy night.

>>1466218

When I was a kid I used to play this Korean MMORPG called Kingdom of the Winds; surprisingly quite a few people still play it.

I remember having my mind blown when I learned that the game's "world map" screen is actually historic Korea, and the two main kingdoms (Koguryo and Buya) were real kingdoms.

>>1466340
That's okay, it's really just a game about exploration. The ending is a cool bonus for when you've found all the effects, but really Yume Nikki and its clones aren't meant to be played with the mindset that you're supposed to "beat" it. You just walk around and look at all the cool weird stuff like it's a virtual museum.

>>1465845

Huh, I can see it now. Intradasting...

>>1465871

>Dat Swastika in the upper-right corner

>>1466487

>>1466491
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8D%8D
Educate yo'self.

>>1465942
The hall of heroes awaits!

>>1466102
The map isn't one big object. Each route is it's own individual thing.
It's probably not stored to look like that in the files.
Basically, when you change route, you're being warped to another area.
So really, there is nothing between the tiles, because stirred in the memory, it doesn't make a coherent map.

>>1466067

I know that feel, bro.

>>1466286
Don't remember the enemies, but I believe Terranigma had the Carnival going on.

>>1466218
Are there any other games that use the real Mars map? Or other planets for that matter.

>>1467591
...the real Mars has forests?

>>1466168
I know RCR merely imitates the aesthetic design of the NES, but it seems as if the NES did have a nice selection of colors. If only commercial NES games actually looked anywhere near that.

I really wish I could find the strategy guide with the huge version of this map intact.

>>1468526

The NES just couldn't do real YELLOW though.

(Master System on the left, NES on the right)

oh right, I cropped this one out from a strategy guide a while back.

Want to try navigate around Tokyo using it one day.

op my nigger is that final fantasy adventures

i want to say yes because i spent too god damn long trying to get opal armor at one of the shops on the vine cliffs

>>1468614
To it's defense, yellow isn't a very pleasing color, while that mustard/macaroni and cheese yellow is much nicer on the eyes.

Ganpuru Gunmans Proof

>>1468635
That's about as autistic as trying to work your way around California based on Fallout's map.

I doubled it so it was a little easier to look at, but every "pixel" here is a tile on the map... I hope that someday I actually will have the time and determination to get through this game and explore that world.

>>1467638
That's kinda scary. Why are there so many skulls and bones everywhere? Does this game take place in Hell, or Makai or something?

>>1469512
>yfw you realize Twoson is a pun on Tucson

>>1469521
No it isn't.
ONEtt
TWOson
THREEd
FOURside

>>1469543
Could Mozart still be alive?

>>1469559
lolwut

>>1469543
Regardless of whether or not it was intentional, it is, in fact, a pun.

>>1469543
That really doesn't stop it from being a pun on Tucson.

http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/Genesis/FaeryTaleAdventure-World.png

>>1469503
Are the cities separate screens or just menus? Are there teleporters or similar shortcuts?
My experience with Ultima 6 (1024x1024+5x256x256 tiles) was that the world was just too big to fully explore and appreciate
http://ian-albert.com/games/ultima_6_maps/

>>1465871
I like how the final dungeon in silver. The whole game you're exploring green, brown, teal dungeons, then suddenly bam, silver. It's a real "shit just got real" moment.

>>1465819
I guess that explains why the "kingdom of hyrule" had fuck all in the way of people.

>>1470021

Separate. Pic related.

And for Ultima 6, I agree to an extent; I still think it's a lot of fun to wander off and get lost in that game, but I can't see myself exploring every nook and cranny because it was one of the first open world, high interactivity games and compared to everything after it a lot of areas seem boring.

Ultima 7, which is a lot denser in terms of content and has a fuck ton of things you can do and interact with in the game world for no reason, holds up a lot better in my opinion. And the game world is smaller than U6 but still fucking huge, I'm playing that game casually right now, been playing for a couple of weeks and it still feels like there's loads out there I haven't seen and something new around every corner.

Dereth, the land of the MMO Asheron's Call (1998-present). It is a giant land mass on the world Auberean, and populated by many races and species of demihumans who were magically pulled from their own worlds. Each pixel is somewhere around 20 square meters, the game world is said to be 1,300 square kilometers (~500 square miles). It is one large contiguous world, with no zone boundaries or forced gating.

Dereth map upscaled to 2x (and split into 4 images) to allow for annotations. The world is filled with countless towns, caves, dungeons, houses, towers, forts, etc, all with their own little bits of lore scattered about. While NPCs provide tips, rumors, and chatter, they don't generally stand around handing out quests, instead the players are expected to seek them out by exploring the world and its many dungeons.

Fast travel, for those who don't wish to run through the miles of wilderness or along its roads, is accomplished by multiple complex networks of portals scattered around the world. Many towns are connected by "loops" of portals for easier access, though there are multiple loops such that you sometimes have to take a short hike to get on a different circuit. Portals to other places of interest are sometimes hidden atop mountains, inside dungeons, etc. Player magic users can also bind themselves to portals and summon them to allow their party to travel en masse. Portals feature heavily in the lore of the game, as it was out of control portal magic that was responsible for pulling the many varied unique races from their own worlds into Dereth.

The eastern regions of Dereth contain many player settlements dotting the wilderness, non-instanced, where houses, villas, and mansions, once acquired, allow you to mount various trophies and items on your walls and over the doors (with messages inscribed on them) for wanderers to view.

The NPC-run shops in the various towns have dynamic economies, and loot items you sell become purchasable by other players who visit that shop, which benefits lower level players who cluster in the towns near where the higher levels are adventuring, like excited commoners waiting to see what haul the city's heroes have brought back from the dungeon that day. For players who desire more advanced trading, the developers have actually authorized the creation and use of complex scripted unattended tradebots that gather in communal marketplace areas and allow players to buy items from the owners' stocks.

The large southwest portion of the continent is referred to as the Direlands and many different unique styles of geography, as well as the most dangerous varieties of monsters and some of the most difficult dungeons. Many people stepping through their first portal into the Dires meet a quick demise.

The game features a living storyline that changes the world across monthly updates to a degree that puts certain modern MMOs to shame. Past events have involved the abduction and attempted indoctrination of prominent guild leaders, the permanent destruction of the most player-populated city in the game, and an official monument of recognition dedicated to a group of players who actually subverted one month's planned story outcome with sheer determination, grit, and a lot of player killing. Oh, and the seasons change, too.

Amazingly the game is still running today, though unfortunately is quite difficult to pick up and play in today's era due to its massively dated graphics (they were fairly crude even during its initial release), ancient engine, and overall complexity and progression curve.

>>1470080
Some of the overland areas in VII were a bit too cramped for me, notably the initial path from Trinsic to Britain via Paws. Dungeons were too restricted by the mountains

I liked the scale in Ultima IX. There were things to discover off the roads and the towns were well spaced. It's a shame they didn't let you roam as freely as before. The engine was wasted with the needless segregation.

I'd love to have a print out of this.

>>1470106
Is there, uh, any way to play Asheron's Call on a private server or something similar? I have a thing for playing MMOs alone.

>>1469563
MOltres
Zapdos
ARTicuno

>>1470350
It's high enough resolution that you could get a nice A3 print done. Wouldn't cost that much

Then you could get it framed.

>>1472107
molTRES
zapDOS
articUNO
SUMmers
TENda

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>>1466035
this is some kind of journal with guides?