/vr/ - Retro Games

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NEWS
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-If you feel like trying a new mod, give GMOTA a chance! Go check it here! http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=742401#p742401

-The past Awesome Games Done Quick featured a playthrough of Plutonia (Go 2 It included) and also a Doom 2 race which was a result of a bid war between that game and Ultimate Doom. To rewatch the Doom speedruns, go follow this link http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQcxg3SUqlYBoSYrpNJVu58GsoCXMREa1

-Guess who received an update? OBLIGE! Now it's in version number 6, and oh man things surely have improved; go check it here! http://oblige.sourceforge.net/forum/index.php?topic=307.0

-CACOWARDS? SURE, HERE! http://www.doomworld.com/20years.. Feel absolutely free to share your thoughts about the works chosen for this edition. And, well, they surely left a lot of stuff to discuss related to the decisions made on some wads...

-From the creators of Russian Overkill, here is to you The Guncaster! http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=37066 Give it a try if you want.

-ChocoDoom got updated in the 20th anniversary. Now you can play Heretic, Hexen and Strife too! Go grab each version of them here! http://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/Downloads

-Jimmy's Jukebox may be get a new update very soon...get hype!!! http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=29117&start=180

Anyone know what causes this? I recorded in Fraps, no resize, and took a screenshot in VLC, deinterlace off. Antialiasing is off in-game. It happens in New Vegas as well.

It's like it's got chroma subsampling, but it should be lossless.

Would someone please push Minigunner to update the Polished Skull link in his thread? If it's that damn good as I've been hearing, then damn, more people need to know about it!

Well, one guy played my maps. Why don't you give it a go?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pwqxfdgd191az6b/FourMaps.wad

>>1445946
>Not including Polished Skull
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85393552/Temp/Polished_Skull-Beta1WIP4.zip

>>1446108

Oh fuck I just realized

>pk3 inside a zip

must...contain...sperging

>>1446129
Well you already posted about it, what else is there to do?

Is there any doom streams that do pwads and stuff?

>need a spriteset of Samus, none of the existing custom sprites of her work for Doom
>"Hey, I've got a model of Samus in GMod! I'll just pose the fuck out of her, take screenshots of it, and draw over it! This'll be easy!"
>four hours later
>FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

I just played DM with my dad and I got blown the fuck out, and he was playing with only the keyboard, AA on low.
Time for sudoku.

>>1446218
That sure is a feel

>>1446218
>"I'll just take screenshots and draw over it!"
If it was that easy we'd have every monster from Quake in Doom by now

>>1446218
>implying this post is remotely helpful now that you already have so much done


It'll work 10 times easier if you pose her in front of a single color background you can easily magic wand out.

Also, you might want to disable ambient lighting. And center her in some sort of circle so you can get properly sized shots from the same distance away. IIRC there's some sort of cutscene camera path mod/tool for Gmod that might help set up the angles.


For that matter, why not just use the animation viewer in brawlbox (Smash Bros. Brawl editor) to get screenshots of the official nintendo animations?

>>1446218
you just caused yourself a world of headaches by not posing her against a blank colored background.

>>1446249
I'm 100% sure there's a map with a solid white room with neutral lighting in it too.

>>1446249
>you just caused yourself a world of headaches by not posing her against a blank colored background.

All of the greenscreen backgrounds I found weren't actually maps and coudn't be opened. For some retarded reason.

>>1446247
>For that matter, why not just use the animation viewer in brawlbox (Smash Bros. Brawl editor) to get screenshots of the official nintendo animations?

Wait. This is actually a thing?
I'm interested.

>>1446267
Were they props

>>1446275
Doesn't say, to my (limited) knowledge.

I'm assuming the box is a prop and the room is a map, though.

>>1446267
gm_construct has a white room that you can change the color of.

>>1446280

...but the room doesn't show up as a map in any of the categories, so.

>>1446281

FORGOT PIC

>>1446282

Iiiii did not know of this. I'll give it a shot, thank you.

Try me

>>1446314

Try me.

>>1446324
M-Muh bounty hunter waifu.

>>1446242
We do have every monster from Quake right now.

Didn't you play the Quake Ultra mod?

It's uses 3D sprites.

>>1446409
>3d sprites

>>1446420
I messed up.

I mean 3D models.

AEOD used 3D rips into sprites though.

>>1446324
Maor please.

>>1446426
Go google your moe shit outside of the Doom thread.

Anyone got any gifs or pics like this?

>>1446432
What if Berkserk packs are actually filled with spinach?

>>1446432
Oh and here's another one.

>>1446103
>MAP03
>too much backtracking
>cacodemon key traps outrunnable
>all that symmetry, same huge stairs, same huge elevators
I had good things to say about the first two but this map is killing my motivation to continue.

Plus, pic related, this entire room. 80% of this map needs to go.

The first two were pretty good rehashes, though.

>>1446552
why the fuck is your doom so blurry

>>1446556
it's opengl, makes things look disgusting
some prefer it for some reason

>>1446409
Those are called models, bro. If I wanted models, I would play Quake. I want well-done sprites of the Quake monsters. Like NMN's Vore.

>>1446552
Thanks for the feedback. It's a remake of an old Chex Quest map. But you're right, it's the weak link. Map04 is much better.

>>1446565
I prefer it to keep mouselook from making me feel like I'm on psychedelics, but I never noticed it was that blurry until now.

>>1446552
I forgot to mention that, ignoring the one pictured room, you have some fine use of textures pretty much throughout the rest of the maps. That, and your good placement of Things are the best parts of your wad.

>>1446575
You can turn off the blurryness in the settings.

And yeah, map03 is the weak link. I'm gonna overhaul it over the next few days.

>>1446432
Get the doom images folder in the link here http://pastebin.com/5sKRiJzS

>>1446565
disable the filters

opengl doesn't have to look like that

>>1446586
No wonder my eyes were hurting.

Hey, this room sure reminds me of Quake. I like it.

>>1446565
>>1446605
Here's that filter disabled.

>>1446615
oh yeah that's good

>>1446569
>web search "doom vore" hoping for wads that use that scary beast
>deviantart links everywhere
>instantly remember vore is a furry thing

At least I have ZDCMP2.

>>1446656
Just go to R667 and look in the monster repository for the Vore.

The Vore isn't used very often in Doom mods.

It's pretty much ZDCMP2, Accessory to murder and The Refinery.

>>1446662
>Just go to R667 and look in the monster repository for the Vore.

Heheheh...yeah, about that...

>>1446669
It's not there?

Well there's always Accessories to Murder.

>>1446671

The curious thing here is, when WildWeasel added her to AtM, everyone naturally went "NOPENOPE", and thus Ghastly in a fit of rage/retardness deleted it from the repo'

>>1446680
>People hated the Vore
I thought it was balanced.

But I never played the newst version of AtM.
I keep an older one where the combat shotgun is strong and sexy and Vores are the Revenant replacement.

>>1446662
>>1446669
>>1446671
isn't the vore a freedoom monster?

>>1446685
It's a Quake monster.
The three legged one with the tracking projectiles

>>1446687
Vores are weak as fuck in the new one. Archvile replacement, slower missile, and you can shoot it out of the air.

what's the name of that really cute enemy in quake with claws?

>>1446693
Shambler?

>>1446692
Ehhhh I wouldn't give it up for a weaker shotgun.

That combat shotgun was one of my favorite Doom shotguns by far.

>>1446693
Gremlins or Shamblers?

>>1446687

It's not like they hate the Vore, it's just that the bitch's hard. You either need to tweak her heavily to make her enjoyable, or at least in the way WW put her in his mod which is pretty much a monster randomizer.

>>1446685

Hah! They (FreeDoom) wish. The Vore is originally a monster from Quake who got a neat 2D sprite conversion for Doom made by NMN, which was a talented spriter who recently called it quits on modding to pursue IRL stuff

>>1446693

shambler?

I met doomguy (as in the guy who modeled for the cover) a couple of weeks ago. He was a painter in his college years who just so happened to be a bodybuilder in his teen years. He was studying underneath the guy hired to design the cover and the designer needed a model.

Doom guy was really cool. He doesn't play video games but he lives his life painting. He paints commercial work, portraits, package designs, kids books, pretty much anything he can get paid for. He's in his 50s and still pretty ripped.

He came to the library I work at to give speeches to kids about what its like to be a painter.

>>1446702
>>1446704
yeah the shambler! those are adorable as hell

>>1446707
That's pretty awesome. I'd be curious to see what he looks like.

>tfw monster is so easy you don't get an adrenaline boost and performance suffers and you die

>tfw monster is so hard you get an adrenaline boost and you kill everything and it's too easy

>>1446707
That's great.
I just noticed Doomguy has only one gun in the cover.

>>1446719
>just noticed
wait really?

>>1446710
his self portrait is at the bottom of this page. Not sure why he's dressed as a guy from the middle ages.
http://mikewimmerportraits.com/blog/?p=458

>>1446432

>>1446720
>>1446707
So what was his position/opinion regarding the cover art? Did he have any idea that he'd be on the cover of one of the most famous videogames of all time?

>>1446720

Someone should attempt to shoop a helmet on him just for shits n giggs

>>1446729
I don't think he did.

Like I said he wasn't really a gamer. Its just something he mentioned to get the audience attention. He was talking to a room full of high school art students

>>1445994
Fraps a shit

>>1446432

>>1446452
rip and tear your guts
you must contain spinach

>>1446721
Yes, I'm stupid. I never really looked at the other hand, I just assumed he had 2 guns from the thumbnail.

>>1445994
Fraps a shit, personally. It's not flexible enough. Either way, by default it records in YV12. There should be a "High Quality" tickbox that forces it to record in RGB somewhere.

Fraps is basically only relevant because it grandfathered itself in. If you want, you can look at some more modern recorders like Bandicam, MSI Afterburner, and Dxtory.

>>1445994
This a CS Shotgun?

>>1446775
>>1445994

Oh and I forgot, one alternative to screenshots in you can actually do is throw your lossless video into Sony Vegas and render the parts you want as PNG frames.

>Looking for random ass Doom mods one day
>Find something on youtube only
>It's The Specialists in Doom
>Some class bullshit
>Can't pick up ammo since there's no ammo drops
>Weapons are kinda shit overall

So close.

>>1446707
>He was studying underneath the guy hired to design the cover and the designer needed a model.

Reminder that Brom worked solo and so this guy is full of shit.

>>1446802
Brom did the cover for Doom 2, Doom was done by Ivan Punchatz, you silly goose.

I finally finished my first map ever and i need some testers, it's a E1M1 style map with way more mosters and shit.
What's the best site to upload for free the .zip and let people download it?

>>1446810
bayfiles?

>>1446810

I figured it out by myself, here's the link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h6r53f2yimvp1rn/Thanks%20for%20trying%20my%20map.rar

thanks a lot for giving it a try

>>1446778
Yes, the XM1014 which was the name of the Benelli M4 prototype.

>>1446781
I have no intention of doing a film-esque rip of the weapons like Donald's Half-Life Samsara addon. Doesn't feel right in Doom after growing up on WildWeasel mods.

>>1446775
I think I'll need to upgrade my softset.

I think I've found the right kind of levels that would fit Demonicron perfectly

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?file=levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/decay.zip

Any other wads that look like this mapset?

>captcha (and sort of spoilers): barony atalitj

>>1446882
Just needs shells flying out of it, shells being loaded into it, a muzzle flash and you're good to go.

>>1446882
Any plans for a pump action shotgun?

Can't ever get tired of pump animations.

Might as well post my progress so far:
>Gordon Freeman:
*Finished all slots (fists, pistol, I - VII)! I solved the fucking EGON weapon problem (creating a helix around a straight line in a 3D-room), THANKS A LOT TO /sci/ FOR HELPING ME OUT.Scroton is currently coding the squeaks (unique slot, inventory item that contains 3 squeaks). Thank you a lot Scroton!
*I still need to determine which HL weapon will be the instagib weapon. Anyone of you got an idea? Please no crossbow, there are already plenty of it in Samsara, and not the Barnacle gun. The Barnacle gun will be the Punchdrunk slot and is similiar to the chainsaw, but draws enemies towards you and is extremely strong (instagibs weak monsters like imps and zombiemans / shotgunners / chaingunners).
*Still missing: Tipbox, samsara pickup sprites, obituaries, weapon pickup messages (ACS one, 10 lines for each weapon).
*I have to fix the bottom part of the HUD, instead of displaying the amount of ammo in your backpack, the ammo in the magazine of your gun will be displayed. I also thought about creating something similiar to the Security Officers HUD (show how many bullets in the gun with sprites etc.)
*Heres an example video of all slots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zHQFMQK51A

>Aldus Kaden:
* Awwwww yes. I found an early beta of IPOG and the weapons are very different and the sprites too! I can now create new weapons for the punchdrunk/PD-unique and VII slot.
* Still missing: Weapon pickup messages (10 lines / weapon)

>Grondoval:
* Still missing: Weapon pickup messages (10 lines / weapon)
* Nuke sprites of all Heretic / Samsara / Chex monsters. (better not touch Strife, it easily breaks).

I am certain this will all be done within a week.

>>1446910
What's the melee weapon going to be?

>>1446882
SIG Sauer P220 is nearing completion. Muzzleflash, sight colour, finger position, and possibly other small details still need to be done.

>>1446894
Hands need a lot of work too.

>>1446896
If I find one I like I'll probably rip it.

>>1446901

take your pace and don't rush it. and for everything's holy, use another name to separate your work from Samsara Addons

>>1446914
Probably the knife.

>>1446916
> for everything's holy, use another name to separate your work from Samsara Addons
I wanted to name it something like Samsara_Donald_Addon_(version).pk3

>>1446916

He should give it a cool 90s expansion pack name.

>>1446918

If you're going for a CS-themed weaponset, you gotta make the knife make the player move faster.

>>1446910
What will you do when it comes to explosives and big weaponry?

>>1446946
Find models that look similar to CS:S and photoshop the CS:S terrorist hands onto it in the unsized image and then scale it down, probably.

>>1446958
Could always use STALKER resources.

>>1446973
Not looking forward to animation Bulldog 6 and RPG7 looks really busy. That won't turn out well scaled down unless I remove huge chunks of it and simplify it before scaling.

>>1446980
http://css.gamebanana.com/skins/15278 Maybe?

>>1446980
Does Counterstrike even have rockets?

Never got into the games at all.

>>1446987
Supposedly there's a grenade launcher but I haven't seen in it the few hours I've been playing in Dust.

>>1446990
I don't remember one of those and I played plenty of CS1.6
what I do remember are flashbangs and smoke grenades, fuck those things

>>1446987
>>1446990
Nope.

>>1446921

Heh, not that guy, but that makes it sound like donald duck is going to be a playable character in samsara

>>1446921
also to add, you might even want to go so far as to put not_by_jesh_and_gang in there

>>1446774
>>1446721
>>1446719

you're probably thinking of the in-game splash screen, for whatever reason this always comes up with people not realizing there's two different official versions people have seen

>>1446980
Well the Bulldog 6 would match the weapon theme maybe.

Any planned assault rifles?

>>1446982
No reload animation, got a texture glitch anyway.

>>1447035
I saw a RG-6 once for CS once but the link was dead

>>1446980
How about the Killing Floor grenade launchers?

>>1446882
Not a bad rip, but I never liked how Counter Strike had left-handed guns like that.

>>1446432
>>1446461
>>1446731
>>1446747
it feels like im in 2005 again

>>1447012
yea,that's lame,we should get scrouge Mc Duck in samsara

>>1447079

I miss YTMND

>>1447079
Requesting Doomguy's head on Picard, and Chunk replaced with a Mancubus.

>>1447086
It's still around (though I get what you mean).
It was... a particular place.

I have a question about DoomRL arsenal
Do i have to upgrade GZDoom to run it?[GZ is in 1.7.1 and Z is in 2.6.1]
because i get this error
>Script error, "DoomRL Arsenal Beta 6.wad:DEC_NAPA" line 2502:
Invalid state parameter nodelay

>>1447115
Probably?
Get one of the dev builds.

>>1447115

>1.7.1
>2.6.1

Yyyyyep buddy, you're like one year behind stable releases

However, like >>1447121 said, you'll need a devbuild for DoomRL Arsenal

>>1447125
what dev build?

>>1447131
nvm fixed it,upgrading GZ and Zdoom worked

Mike12, will you ever record yourself drawing a weapon? I'd like to see how people go about spriting live.

>>1447165
I second this.

I'm a fucking retard who posts things in old threads.

anyways. You guys think I'm on the right path with this? I just need to get that doomguy recolored to match Baratus' gauntlet and make the shooter part look slightly less like a shotgun

>>1447172
yeah you could paint over that and it'll look right when paletted

>>1447175

I don't know how to do palletes, plus being colorblind is putting a damper on me getting colors more accurate

>>1447178
Didn't even know you were colorblind, which puts your efforts into perspective.

>>1447172
You should probably push the gun barrels up a bit further along his arm.

He could risk shooting his knuckles right now.

So good

>>1447204
wuzzat?

>>1447205
http://css.gamebanana.com/skins/116502

This Duke Nukem looking Remington 870.

Needed a pump-action.

>>1447198

I'm making it a single barrel shooter right now. Mechanically it's still gonna be the same weapon, I'm just giving it a different look to suit Blaz's beefy nature.

if I post just that clenched fist can someone make it match Baratus' gauntlets?

>>1447205
Looks like a Super-Shorty 12-Gauge.
Pretty nifty little things all in all.

I wish that Serbu would build some guns on Itacha M37 receivers, that'd give it wonderful clearance, as well as making it ambidextrous.

>>1447204
>>1447215
Those shotguns are made for midgets or something

>>1447216
They're made for people trying to hide shotguns.

>>1447217
..Midgets, exactly.

>>1447215
I prefer longer barrel shotguns.
Like anything in Resident Evil for example.

Or those funky russian ones where you push the pump forward instead of back towards you.

>>1447223
The shorty likely kicks really hard, and can only hold like 3 rounds or something.

>>1447208
The Duke Nukem shotgun was a Winchester 1300 Defender, with Tac-Star grips, like pic related (except it also had a heat-shield).

I want one some day, I'll pay an engraver to put the radioactive sign on the side of the receiver even.

>>1446432
Wait... is that a ham.. with hebrew writing on it?

>>1447227
It's all bull meat.

>>1447223
Well, it'd depend on the application, but I'd ideally want something with like 10 or 12 inches of barrel, which would make the gun short, maneuverable and lightweight, while still having a good bit of velocity to it.
That, and a full stock.
So basically, the Supershotgun.

For any pump, I'm content with a 5 or 6 shot tube, with the barrel extending just one or two inches beyond the magazine tube.

>>1447227
Kosher cut.

>>1447234
I've grown really attached to over and under shotguns recently.

And just russian weaponry in general.
Thanks STALKER!

>>1447237
I always preferred side-by-sides for their classic, wide look, but an over-under is indeed slimmer, and probably easier to aim with.

11 days

>>1447246
I'm not sure what it is but over-under just looks so great.
Side by sides too.

And magazine loaded shotguns.

>>1447252
I've been away and have missed much, how has this project been coming?

>>1447252
Allegedly

>>1447258
>how has this project been coming?

no idea, all I'm going on is

https://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1432065/#1434516

and after reading that I realize I thought it was the 15th for some raisin but it's actually the 18th. So it's actually 13 days in ~30 minutes.

Viralling my shitty mod in case there are some people here that haven't seen it yet or aren't aware it got a giant update last august.

If you played it before last august but not afterwards then a lot changed and it got a lot faster and more streamlined:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6fk-rugoro

http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4379

>>1447258
>how has this project been coming?

It hasn't.

>>1447302
>>1447258

It got released, dunno if you were here for that.

We're waiting on the next update now.

>>1447302
Yea, I know that feel...

>>1447258
Next release maybe this month.
Mech confirmed.
Might have lots of weapons in next version

>>1447306
what the hell is this

looks awesome

>>1447332
The level is Dawn of Reality. Big ass city level with tons of unique textures. I loved it.
Sprites and guns are my junk.

>>1447342
Nice hands, where are they from

>>1446078
No need. I just updated the thread with the new link.

>>1447367
made them myself from photos.

>>1447378

That's pretty high quality stuff.

>>1447379

I like your mod. Please make more stuff in the future

>>1447378
Turned out really good

>>1447379
last thread was polished skull general

>>1447380
>>1447383
http://www.mediafire.com/download/s2uouivsk0a0h8a/lydia.zip
Thanks guys! Feel free to fart around with them if you like.

Why do people say OpenGL looks bad? I think it looks pretty damn good.

>>1447389
because other people have taste

[ ice cold ]

>>1447389
I personally love OpenGL, because not only does it allow for freer movement and orientation, but it displays more colors, it lets me better see the beautiful graphics, no longer are they pixelated and reduced in color off in the distance, but I can have a dark environment where whenever I see something lit up by fireballs and gunfire, it's beautiful.

>>1447389

It's just the simple divide of looks prettier versus more retro.
Some people want their retro game to look retro. Others want some more updated visuals.

In short, you shouldn't care because >opinions

>>1447105
I would, but I can't find a sprite sheet with transparency of Doomguy's status bar face for the life of me

Google has betrayed me

>>1447434
It should be in any doom.wad, doom2.wad, tnt.wad or plutonia.wad

>>1447440
It's all individual faces, though, as opposed to a sheet

Oh well, it's not that many I need

>>1447406
You act like software mode will somehow pixelate the distance more. It won't. That's your resolution.

Personally I've always been against the GL renderer because, back in 2006ish when I first got into ZDoom, I was using a toaster and it wouldn't run gZdoom in OpenGL.

>>1447446
Fuck, you're right about that.
Well, it's the colors really, I just find OpenGL to represent the visuals so much better. Also, I can look up and down, which not only gives me tactical opportunities, but allows me to study every nook and cranny of a level.

Also, I can't say that I understand that justification.

i just played Going Down E1
Holy shit i never tought that low tier enemies could be that dangerous

>looking up and down in software mode

>>1447446
Not that guy, but I think I know what he means. He means aliasing and off-colours due to the 8-bit palette in Software.

With 4x or more anisotropic filtering, the sprites can look crisp and still look smooth in motion without the pixel scattering in the distance.

That pixel scattering also really, REALLY fucks with video encoding if you do that sort of thing.

>>1447456
Sprites and textures can look crisp and textures will look smooth in motion*

Another really old comparison shot.

>>1447463
What was that wad called? It was the shit.

>>1447456
You can set different magnification and minification modes in GL, though. I usually play old shooters with GL_NEAREST magnification and GL_NEAREST_MIPMAP_LINEAR minification.

>>1447470

Samsara?

>>1447470
>>1447474
No, Armageddon Invasion.

>>1447478
>>1447474

Samsara WITH Armageddon Invasion.

>>1447478
Samsara is running in the canyon shot too alongside Armageddon Invasion.

>>1447471
Yeah, but the guy was talking about Software vs. GL. I was just showing what the difference looked like for distant and oblique textures and Software's limited colour palette (Doom MAP05, imps in the dark turn grey, etc.)

Here's a random screenshot I took for something.

>>1447342
This map is really cool.

>>1447474
No, I know that. But thanks anyways.
>>1447478
Cool, thanks.

>>1447498
I know right? It's full of surprises and fun. I need to replay it and find all the secrets. I only found 44% of them.

I'm done, what tweaks could I make?

I know the Mancubus head may look retarded, zooming in on it made things confusing as fuck

>>1447531
Hahaha! Oh god, I love it, I wasn't even expecting the ouch-face, that's a damn perfect addition!

As for the Mancubus, I was kind of just picturing the Mancubus sprites, being pain/stun locked by Doomguy's rapid fire.

>>1447538
So like the whole sprite, flickering between his idle and pain animations?

The bullet impacts may have to be the Doom blood particle effect, what do you say on how I should do this?

>>1447545
The bullet impacts would be the blood spurts, I was going to suggest it, but i wasn't sure of how easy it would be.

Basically, you could superimpose the Mancubus frames over some simple background (a wall texture or screenshot from the game, whatever really), and just have the Mancubus twitching in pain.

>>1447549
>Basically, you could superimpose the Mancubus frames over some simple background (a wall texture or screenshot from the game, whatever really), and just have the Mancubus twitching in pain.

I think that subtracts quite a bit from the original GIF, though. After the bit with Doomguy Stewart, you would then have a cut to a Mancubus on a plain background who is as well animated as the actual game and the blood spurts, as opposed to the original where you can see the environment getting messed up by bullets in multiple frames.

I think laying over the full Mancubus sprites over Chunk may work, might give it a try

H-hi

D-d-do you like anime?

>Open up BURL_TUMD.pk3 in SLADE
>Find this

Not to cause any drama or anything, but I found it funny

>>1447572

I think that's somewhere in the game actually.

Also I want to make this look kinda fancy and give a neato firing animation, anyone have any ideas?

>>1447581
nigga that looks like an arm mounted bong
which is kinda cool but you can't kill demons with that shiz

>>1447586

That looks like a bong to you?

>>1447581
Its filename has the word boss on it, so I'd imagine it would be the post-MAP30 screen.

As far as the gun on wrist thing goes, maybe some hand gestures (ie - pointing the index finger) or wrist bending downward to fire it?

>>1447581
I kinda like it, and maybe it's the sleep deprivation talking, but it almost looks like he failed to punch a rocket out of the air, and it's now heading straight for his face.

The color almost makes me think of Wolfenstein 3D. Hey, maybe it is a bong, and I've had a hit?

>>1447581
>>1447590
That's a very bright color for an arm cannon.

>>1447590
Not him but it looks kinda weird.
Anyways, I don't really have ideas for the firing thing, sorry.
>>1447593
>but it almost looks like he failed to punch a rocket out of the air, and it's now heading straight for his face.
Woah, I see it too now.

>>1447389
Texture filtering looks terrible.

>>1447591

I could have him clench his fist when firing

and now I see the rocket thing now, fuck all of you guys.

>>1447598
Fucking this

>filters in a game that largely consists of sprites

I play with OpenGL all the time and the game looks better when every sprite and texture is untouched by fitlers, when you shove on a whole bunch to make it smooth it's fucking hideous

>>1447306
Any chance you can tell me where you went right after this part? I opened the door to the next room, fought all the ghosts, then walked around the house humping the walls for awhile and nothings changing. There's a barred door and I needed the red key to get in house so I'm assuming I don't need to go outside again to clear this area.

here's what the idle sprite would look like, once I get a general shape I'm happy with I'm gonna work on making the barrel all fancy looking and put a gem and shit on it.

>>1447603
>>1447615
Looks better with the darker colors.

>>1447620

I agree, I think I'm onto something here, at least the idea of it. needs a lot of work though

>>1447598
It does, it really really does, it can seriously squander some of the more intricate spritework.

I play OpenGL to get a better look at the graphics, not to make the game feel like I've lost my glasses.

>>1447603
It looks like part of the gauntlet now, so it doesn't look like he's about to be rocket dildo'd in the face anymore.

>>1447625
I kinda dig it.

>>1447636

If I get this good I'm gonna change at least the standard uncharged projectile, but the buster shots work well for his charge attacks.

Added a bit of shading

>>1447640
You need to add some of the purple from the wrist piece to the glove, it looks super copy/pasted right now. Other than that, nice work!

>>1447645

Well thanks Marty, I'll see what I can do, also I thought that was blue, being colorblind can be a bitch.

>>1447646
Ah damn, I forgot that you had mentioned that earlier. If you're still working on it tomorrow I might try to give you a hand.

I hope this is what Marty meant

>>1446901
looks great, what's Gordon's health/durability going to be like? He was pretty frail without armour but with the full HEV charge you were a god damn tank and could take an RPG blast head on and still walk away. Is it possible to change how much armour protects for a certain character? I think the suit's protection protected 2/3 of an attack's damage, but I'm not 100% certain.

>>1447572
It used to be the intermission pic, but people complained so I moved it to the background of the casting call at the end of the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZjCjt-MBDE

The Real Guns Hardcore / RGA shit looks dumb but damn that muzzle flash is cool.

>>1447879
it wouldn't be bad if it wasn't for the regen health and hitmarkers

Anyone have one of those wad recommendation pics?

Do you listen to music while you doom?

A

>>1447903
Knock you out by Black noise or Just dance. On repeat.

>>1447903
the ost, how could you not

>>1447926
I got tired of it after a while.

>>1447903
RULES OF NATURE

I've been playing Congestion 1024, a 2005 megawad made of small maps where, in each map, the playfield doesn't have to be bigger than 1024x1024

while the concept is good, some layout ideas interesting, holy shit is gameplay horrible in some maps. I'm giving up now because I'm just SICK of incredibly cramped area with no way to move a single inch when being shot at and SICK of having 20 enemies spawn all around you when you are in a very small room, as well as making them spawn in the exits JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN'T GET OUT AND DIE

To Michael Philleo who did map 23 : Fuck you, and congratulations because thanks to your bullshit I'm not going to play the 9 remaining maps. I knew your map was going to be shit right at the start when the player has to perform a jump to get a semi obvious secret even though no jump was needed in every single map beforehand. You were far from the first map to have shit gameplay in this episode (due to the size limit constraint) but yours was the worst.
I'm leader in a 20+ small maps project like this for Duke Nukem 3D and I'm going to make damn sure no bullshit like this is going to happen in that.

I just started playing Pirate Doom for the first time yesterday. The sounds are eh, some of the weapons (the shotgun in particular) look kind of weird all in all it's an okay wad in everything except for one. The level design is GODLIKE. Whenever I finished one level, I was practically shaking, waiting to see what awesome idea was going to be seen in the next map.

TL;DR: Pirate Doom is fucking amazing due to fantastic level design.

>>1447934
Grab the Doom Metal WAD from the Brutal Doom pack. It works for most of these fancy-pants WADS we're getting nowadays.

For Project MSX, I just turned the music off. It worked well.

Tenentr00Anderson you sad, sad fuck

http://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1432065/#1437989
http://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1437957/#1438063

https://www.youtube.com/user/SGtMarkIV/discussion?lc=z132fl1optajdbe4d04ccnmotq2hfn4zbqc0k&google_comment_id=z132fl1optajdbe4d04ccnmotq2hfn4zbqc0k

the most ironic thing here is that you seem to care that much about crediting people, when you ripped off quite a bit of stuff for a certain, well known politically incorrect wad that got famous out there

toppests of lels

Report and hide.

>>1448067

look, i'm aware I'm breaking the rules for posting that, the deal here is that if we're going to assume responsabilities for stuff we say, we need to back our shit up. that fucker should be glad not to be in jail at this moment considering the kind of work he uploaded

>>1447165
>>1447170
Yeah, can probably do it sometime when i'm on more of a roll.

>>1448068
what?

>>1448076

try googling his username, just so you can check what WAD i'm talking about.

>>1448079
>>1448068
>Tenentr00Anderson

So he made Chris Dorner's Last Stand, huh?

Spoted this on the zdoom forums along with some Alucard sprites

>>1448106

Dayum son

>>1448106
also Death

>>1448151
Trippy

>>1448164
>>1448151
Eternal does some really interesting maps. DTS-T also has some very fantastic maps.

>>1448106
>>1448110
Who made it tho

Hey /vr/dg I need a nice high res image of the Doom keyboard controls. I found this one for Doom 3, but fuck Doom 3! I need this for Doom 1/2.

>>1448360
Doom 3 was an okay game. It just wasn't a Doom game.

>>1448375
its still scary and fun if you turn all the lights off and get in the mood for it

system shock 2 did most of the things that doom 3 did better though

>>1447952
cute cacodemons with bandanas too
can't forget about that

>>1448360
Why? What about, high resolution text? Mine is a blanket for all of the official Doom engine games.

Keyboard
W Forward
A Strafe left
S Backwards
D Strafe right
F Use
Q Previous weapons
E Next weapon
2 Previous Item
3 Next Item
R Use item

Mouse
Left click Fire
Right click Secondary fire

>>1448378
The Dead Space games also make a better Doom 3 than Doom 3 did and an entire trilogy of them came out in the time it took id to make Rage.

>>1448360
I don't think there is one. Doomwiki has the default controls for doom, you could try making one yourself.
I don't think anyone used default controls anyways. , and . to sidestrafe is kinda weird (though you get used to it after a bit).

>>1448389
Is it just me, or when there is jumping involved, do you guys use the "E" key to jump? I like to use the Spacebar for actions in Doom. Dunno why.

>>1448402
I've always done E for Use and Spacebar for jumping. Blame the Source engine.

>>1448404
I tried doing that, and I do it for any other game. But in Doom it just feels... weird...

>>1448272
check the spriting carnival thread on zdoom

>>1448402
There is no jumping involved in Doom.

>>1448410
I'm talking about WADS where jumping is involved. They do happen.

>>1448389
Similar to this, but with Q and E to change item instead, and ctrl to fire and arrow key to look around.

>>1448272
>>1448106
>>1448110
DrDoctor

Credit shit you fuckass.

What is the best way to play doom on a modern pc?
Zdoom?
GZdoom?
Doomsday?

>>1448414
` idclip/noclip/kitty

>>1448439
GZDoom all the way. Be sure to turn off filters!

>>1448439
gzdoom sans filters

>>1448439
GZDoom
No filters
Add dynamic light if you want but its not recommended for toasters

>>1448439
GZDoom.
Get perkristian smooth weapon animations and the PSX sfx too.

>>1448439
Prboom+

>>1448459
http://crud.toshiba-3.com/doom/psxs.zip

>>1448467
Prboom+ dev pls go
>>1448473
Oh yeah, use this one. The others have a shitty reverb thing that is annoying.
And here http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=32628 you can get the smoother animations.

>>1447903
I pop a tab of adderall and listen this while I do decorate or mapping:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-S0T4xTdLY

>>1448442
>>1448445
>>1448453
>>1448459
GZdoom is what I thought, Wasn't sure if there was anything better.
I'll look into prboom+ for shits and gigs too

>>1448487
prboom is useful if you have a toaster and the urge to play slaughterfest

>>1448481
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxRe8tBh7ss

>>1448491
so basically its the most efficient of the source ports than.

>>1448491
Why not just disable shit on GZdoom?
Should be the same thing.

>>1447531
I fucking love you guys...

>>1448495
>>1448491
Wouldn't that be chocolate doom?

>>1448506
Chocolate Doom and others aren't as optimized as prboom.

If you have a discrete graphics card and want to play elaborate architecture levels and have it run better, play with PrBoom GL

If you have a discrete graphics card and want to play elaborate architecture zdoom levels and have it run better, play with GZdoom

>>1448496
>Why not just disable shit on GZdoom?

Try disabling stuff for Nuts.wad. Now play Nuts.wad in PrBoom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLrpnQsoy6o

>b-but what about a non-joke wad?

Sure, go and try the same stuff with Hellbound's MAP29.

>>1448516
there's Slaughterfest 2012 MAP 27

>>1448516
Holy shit man.
Okay, downloading.

>>1448525
>>1448516

Aaand of course let's not forget Planisphere 2

>>1448532
>mfw

>>1448537

I'm on it, don't sperg

>>1448542
too late

>>1448547
>>1448542
>>1448537
>>1448532
I don't get it.

>>1448550
anon posted a thumbnail, then an anon posted an image that's really small like hey you posted a thumbnail and then anon said they're on it but then someone else posted the full image

>>1448550

See that? It's New York son

New York in Doom. How many videogames out there can claim themselves to have entire cities reenacted?

>>1448547
>8. Puticlú
>Mfw

>>1448557
the last of us, go! go! nippon!, yakuza 3, metroid prime, yakuza 4

>>1448560
>the last of us
not at all matey

someone send the super best friends a cd with gzdoom and plutonia on it with an ini with filters turned off

>>1448562
the buildings are there they just moved

>>1448567
it's not a whole map you can explore though

>>1448563
That would be great.
>To the Zaibatzu
>From a bunch of nerds on 4chan

>>1448557
Spiderman 2, and the other Spiderman games to a much lesser extent.

>>1448579
I am trying to register to best ever so I can host LAN servers with a friend by following the directions on its site. I registered, and now I am trying to log in through the identify command, and then register to best ever by messaging BestBot. I am confronted with "<BestBot>: Your account is not logged in properly to the IRC network. Please log in and re-query.". I tried logging in again, but it already said I was logged in. I am relatively new to IRC, could anybody help me out?

>>1448579
>>1448640
Sorry, didn't mean to quote.

>Hideous Destructor has randomized sizes for enemies and flora
Huh. That's pretty neat.

>>1448648
Forgot pic, fug.

>>1448648
I like how enemies fire at the place they last saw you if you hide behind a wall or something. Wish more wads did this.

>>1448481
>not being this fresh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g95KabBPNRk

Do you guys use the resize thing in GZDoom?
>>1448642
And you quoted again you goofus.

>>1446282
how the fuck do you change its colour?

*Sneezes into thread*
Any mods with a focus on disease control and prevention?
Even hazmat suit levels where you can't get your suit torn.

>>1448037
whenever I try to bootup pirate doom I get a bunch of exclamation marks everywhere that don't do anything. do I need to redownload it? also the zdoom command line or whatever before it boots says a few map errors that go too fast for me to read

>>1448687
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=32674

Pirate Doom! A GZDoom TC (...)

>>1448679
The fucking color tool, just like recoloring a prop. It's been years since I booted up the GMOD though.

>>1447172
>Ballistic Fist
YES YES YES

>>1448695
XWeapons does have Ballistic Fist in it.

For real.
And some decent guns in there too.

>>1448707
ballistic fist was originally ripped whole from ww-cash2 so check that out when it's released publicly

>>1446409
How the fuck did that .wad, Paranoia, and Hunter's Moon get actual 3D in DooM?

>>1446424
Most of those were taken from existing .wads, though. Someone ported Painkiller and Bulletstorm weapons to ZDooM, hence their presence in the latest AEOD.

(I'm kinda hoping they add the ROTT2013 and SW2013 weapons to the next update)

>>1448691
damn I still get the errors in zdoom. imma try it in zandro

>>1448741
wtf

>>1448746
GZDoom, nigger.
Not zdoom, not zandronum. GZDoom.

>>1448746
Make sure it's the latest version of Gzdoom. Chances are you're using something out of date

>>1448752
alright alright. I just hate having to fiddle the settings from blurry to normal

>>1448756
It doesn't even take that much effort to set the texture filtering to nearest (mipmapped).

>>1448756
>alright alright
Did you think >>1448691
>A GZDoom TC
>A GZDoom
>GZDoom
was just for shits and giggles? lrn 2 red fagit

>>1448360
I just use WASD with arrow keys to turn around. rctrl is to shoot and kp0 is to altfire.

Make sure to have k_mergekeys 0 so you can separately bind right and left ctrl/shift/alt/etc keys. Seriously have no idea why it's not default.

>>1448640
Cannot delete these posts due to their age, but I found the problem. I tried registering through Pidgin IRC client then through Doomseeker built-in IRC client once I found out that Pidgin didn't support BestBot. Had to delete account and then re-register.

>>1448758
I downloaded it like a week ago or so.

>>1448768
>lrn 2 red
fair enough. I didn't

>>1448767
yeah but the text still looks like shit. how do I fix that one? also what about the lighting? help me out man

>>1448767
What does that do?
>>1448779
You mean it looks blurry and shit? Got to options, display, opengl, textures and disable antialiasing and anisotropic filtering, I think. The text will look, uh, pixelated, I guess?
Activating the resizing things makes things look smoother. It's pretty nice.

>>1448801
I hope you're retarded. Anisotropic filtering makes things LESS blurry at a distance, there is no antialiasing. Linear/bilinear/trilinear filtering makes evrerything blurry and the he resize makes everything look like a fucking pastel painting

>>1448661
All the little TECHNOLOGY moments in HD really make up for its tendency to make average Doom maps nigh unplayable.
>zombies can bleed out when wounded
>all weapons are automatically reloaded in between levels
>cloaked spectres can still be hit and their corpse will fade in if you manage to kill them
>decorative marine corpses can be revived by enemies
>weapon length and weight are both simulated
>using the rifle scope only zooms in the crosshair

>>1448812
I am, apparently. Ya, I meant the linear things I got them mixed up.
You get used to the resize. Also I haven't tested it but without the filters I think it looks better.

>>1447903

I've been listening to the Plok soundtrack while working on shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzzVnX7O1oQ

>>1448695

Sorry pal, it's just gonna be an arm cannon, it'd be senseless to give Blaz TWO melee focused weapons.

That being said I want to make a proper ballistic fist in the future.

>>1448826
>there will never be a doom plok tc

>>1448834

Would you believe I was thinking of how that would work in Doom? The limb firing part would be easy, just use a_jumpifinventories to check to see which limbs you got, and if you're missing one, fire the next on the list.

Now changing the player's height and forcing him to bounce around when he throws his feet would be tricky

>>1448837
I'd believe it, can't imagine why you'd lie to us about it.

>>1448851
>can't imagine why you'd lie to us about it.
He wants the modern PLOK audience

all the good servers in zandronum are fucking waitlisted. why cant servers handle more than 3 people playing at a time. fuck

>>1448648
I thought Baubins were all the same size, but I guess the size/height randomizer isn't as severe as the Imps. I fucking hate it when my shotgun blasts flies way over the head of a midget imp and I get set on fire.
>>1448661
I like how the hesitate for a bit when they're going to clear a corner they know you're around, or how they look over their shoulder if they hear your footsteps.
>>1448815
>realistically replicating what you'd actually do if your dumb ass kept your gun out as you ran against a wall or moved your shotgun too fast around a corner
>catching your barrel on the corpse of the dead body you're searching

I kinda wish the author would replicate Far Cry 2/3/Crysis item grabbing, as in the hand physically grabbing the items off the ground.

The flavor text for the weapons is also amusing.

The only thing I don't like are the shotgunguys being pain/bleed resistant.

Do you guys think a Doom WAD will ever have a good story? I've played like... one. And it was a horror mod. I forget what it was called.

The reason I'm asking is because I would like to take part in a WAD project, but all I can do is... well, write stuff.

>>1448925
>Do you guys think a Doom WAD will ever have a good story?
Nope.

Doom can do anything but story.

>>1448925
The Doom 3-style .wad, Cold as Hell, or Unloved?

The thing is that DooM (despite the original story) is really built to not be story-heavy - even the .wads that imply there's a story to you exploding demons (Epic, Zen Dynamics, Unloved, Winter's Fury, etc.) have it take a backseat or only imply it through screens, like Epic.

Cold as Hell was pretty different, at least, and that had to rely on Bioshock/System Shock-style pickups.

>>1448936
It was Unloved.

Name me 10 wads with "story".

>>1448940
Action Doom
Action Doom 2
Unloved
Cold As Hell
Winter's Fury
Uh...
Um...

>>1448940
Action Doom
Action Doom 2
Urban Brawl: Dead of Winter
Unloved
Cold As Hell
Massmouth
Massmouth 2
Winter's Fury
RTC-3057
Space Station Omega
ZanZan
Community Is Falling 3
Phocas Island 2
Zen Dynamics
Foreverhood v1.0

>>1448940
Action Doom
Action Doom 2
Cold As Hell
Winter's Fury
DTS-T
Daedalus...

>>1448953
This guy beat me to it

>Urban Brawl: Dead of Winter
Isn't that just a mod for Action Doom 2 to make it winter/holiday themed?

>>1448957
>Isn't that just a mod for Action Doom 2 to make it winter/holiday themed?
Nop, it comes with new maps, go play it.

>>1448953
>Tfw I've played most of those but forgot about them

God, I loved Phocas Island and Massmouth.

>>1448940
Breaking Doom

But that's in secret alpha...

>>1448940
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=37843

>you are now aware that some day the community, and this thread, will die

Adapted the muzzle flash actors from Real Guns Hardcore http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=29150 to the weapons instead of a normal muzzle flash sprite.

Not sure about it, looks a bit too smooth.

>>1449001

>the community
>dying any time

The ones that should die are us, not the hobby

>this thread

well, we make another one; just like we've been doing for almost a year

what's the point of your post?

>>1448938
The thing about Unloved's story is that it's mostly in the atmosphere. Nothing explicitly stated.

Name me 10 wads where you play as a monster.

>>1449002
I don't see the smooth.

Have you checked Russian Arsenal's muzzle flash?

>>1449018
Doom: Rampage Edition

>>1449019
Yeah. It's neat but it also looks like a wide-spaced trail of asterisks.

Also Russian Arsenal is outdated, current is Russian Arsenal Revised. http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?file=combos/rusarsr.zip

>>1449046
I meant that one you linked, my bad.

Will there be russian weaponry in your mod?

>>1449054
I won't be looking for weapons of specific nationalities to add. If I find a Russian one that interests me it'll get added.

>>1449018
You can possess shit in Satanic.
Aside from that, I dunno.

>>1449018
ZanZan
Massmouth 1-2
Doom: Rampage Edition
A Better Wad Pulled Out Of My Ass

>>1449079
ghouls vs humans or whatever it's called...

>>1449001

Does stating the obvious make you feel smart?

Nothing lasts forever. Nothing.

>>1449001
Not while we have a dark knight around.

>>1446831
Sorry for the late response but that was pretty good. Too many hitscanners imo but it had a nice structure. I liked the use of different themes. Overall a very good first attempt.

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=750279#p75027

Okay so, people complaining about the Vore drove Ghastly to remove her? Well, shit, if we were to remove monsters out of legit complains, the Shadow shouldn't be existing on Realm667 and the internet at all

>>1449279

and just because I love hitting the Submit button 2fast, here, a poll I forgot to include

pls check errybody

http://strawpoll.me/1266055

Is it worth it learning how to play Hideous Destructor? It's a huge pain in the ass so far.

>>1449287
Many Doom maps are outright unplayable with it.
Just get arma or something.

>>1446831
Forgot about this. Just tried it.

> clearly named MAP01
> gives you shotgun RIGHT AWAY

I hate this shit. I've always hated this shit. It screams, "I don't know how to make an engaging or tense encounter with just the pistol." Fuck you. Make me work for the shotgun. Make me feel like I'm just about to quit the level because I've spent so fucking long without the shotgun and I NEED IT GOD DAMN IT and then right at that exact moment, I get it.

And if you ARE going to give me the shotgun right away, then give me a BOX of shells. Make it clear that that's what you're doing. Because otherwise, I'm going to run out before I finish killing all the Imps.

> hordes of monsters right out of the gate
> no health spread around besides 2 stimpacks
> even on HMP

Did you even balance this for other difficulties? Not everyone plays on Ultraviolence; difficulty levels were invented for a reason.

> so many monsters they mostly just infight
> so many that it's literally impossible to just run past them

Some players like to go for low-kill or even pacifist runs. I know I do. I don't like to sit around killing 20 monsters just to get through a fucking hallway. Throwing 20 hitscanners and pinkies at me isn't challenging, it's cheap and it's boring. Make an interesting encounter. Think about what equipment and weapons the player has at this point, and how the monsters are supposed to engage with the player with that knowledge.

Right off the bat, I would take away the shotgun, and halve the Imps in the initial room. I'd also make it so there isn't a horde of them that comes out behind you while I'm dealing with a pinky popping out of the door. This level would be IMPOSSIBLE to speedrun or low% run. Take that into consideration. Instead, make the player fight the Imps with the pistol (a harrowing encounter if there ever was one) and put the shotgun on the pentagram to entice the player to step onto it--I almost missed it the first time because I thought it was detail.

>>1449292
Jesus, seriously. What the fuck are Cacos doing outside of the FIRST HALLWAYS IN THE GAME? While I'm trying to fight like 8 imps and CHAINGUNNERS?

Slow the fuck down, mac. Don't bust those fuckers out until at least the second level, maybe even the third. Learn to pace yourself.

>>1449297
nah man this is like that episode where naruto shadow cloned himself to train leaves and when he kept fainting he acquired all of the knowledge

with each death you gain 20 times the experience of a player going through an easier map

believe it

>>1449303
No it isn't, because I literally die there every time. I finally gave up and resurrected and then once I managed to get the chaingun, it became (slightly) easier. Except there wasn't much god damn ammo for the thing.

> expecting me to give a fuck about Naruto
What are you nigger, 12?

> pic related
This "random teleporter in the exact middle of a hallway that takes you outside" shit is for the birds. Draw a fucking door. Don't throw teleporters in the middle of hallways; players run into them when they're trying to get to fucking doors.
Why does it reveal a secret, especially when it's in plain sight? Could it be that there are no other secrets in the map?

>>1449313
why can't you handle this

>>1447531 Here, post me more gifs I can shove Doomguy's face on

Going to work on this one shortly, maybe add a BFG or SSG in the pizza box

>>1449313
It isn't immediately obvious that you're "supposed" to jump in this map, so the player can have a moment here where they think they're actually stuck. Either way, jumping will probably get them capped by a fucking Chaingunner or shotgunguy, because there are two of each literally right next to where his head pops up. Extend the hallway around the pillars. Let me walk around.

>>1449317
I can "handle" plenty. I've beaten lots of hard maps. I like difficulty when it's fair and I don't feel like my time is being wasted, and when the creator of the map takes comments and criticism into account instead of going "well u just must suck at the game lol"

No, fuck you, I am plenty good--you created a stupidly unfair map. You asked for feedback, and I'm giving it to you--your monster and item placement sucks dick, and you don't know how to use teleporters or secrets.

> pic related
I don't even know what this little mini-crusher is supposed to be here for. This is also the point in the map where I gave up actually trying to beat it legit because I couldn't find the red key, and I was frustrated by being killed constantly.

>>1449317
> flats used as textures

It's clear now that you're designing this explicitly for ZDoom and I'm not sure that's the right move for a "first map." Maybe you should stick to vanilla until you learn the ropes a little bit.

I noticed on another of my playthroughs that it loaded an ACS file--for fucking what?! There is nothing in this map that isn't possible in vanilla.

>>1449324
Why are you so angry?
How do you even know that was the creator?

>>1449328
Oh, PS, those flats are even upside down. The grey parts are supposed to be keyboard-type panels. Someone would have to be standing up with their arms over their heads to use those computers. Good jerb, retard.

> pic related
Why didn't you just come out and say you were making a Plutonia map? Overuse of chaingunners, multiple revenants, weird teleporters, it's all here!

>>1449329
I assumed I was in an A-B conversation, because why would anyone else give a shit about what I think about this guy's map?

On the offchance that it isn't, though, well--sorry, map creator guy, your map still has problems but if you're not being a dick about it then you probably don't deserve vitriol.

I don't think I was ever over 50% health legit in the map

>>1449334
I love HTH2

>>1449329
haha this guy reviewed some of my maps a week ago, i think i got off pretty lightly haha

>>1449334
Now this looks like someone who knows how to make a pistol encounter.

Learning how to do a pistol encounter is really one of the most important cornerstones of Doom mapping. Because, traditionally, every map should be beatable from pistol start. If the player is going to get mauled in the first ten seconds without a shotgun, don't give them a shotgun--take down the horde at the beginning a few notches.

>>1449336

>>1449337
Are you 1994shit?

>>1449341
yeah

>>1449342
Yeah, see, you didn't have nearly the amount of problems this guy does. You threw a lot of monsters at the player, but at least you give him an appropriate amount of weapons and ammo, 'and' you made him work for it. Your maps? Far from the unplayable trash this guy has.

>>1449292
> "I don't know how to make an engaging or tense encounter with just the pistol."
There is no way to make pistol battles feel tense.
Good players are going to switch to the fist because punching hurts more.

Zombiemen are too weak to be a concern.
Shotgun guys give you shotguns(Which you seem to HATE)
Imps aren't difficult enough.
Same for Demons.

>>1449372
Put tons of imps behind a fence in your way.

Problem solved.

>>1449376
Then why not just run past them?

>>1449380
>in your way
Sure, you *could*, but you can say that about any enemies anywhere, whatever you have.

That's what speedruns are about.

Or you could script that the way forward only opens when you kill the imps in a modern sourceport.

Seriously. Think big.

>>1449380
Not that Anon, but that's not negative. Allowing the player to avoid conflict allows for smart players to conserve ammo and for low%ers/pacifists to play in their own style.

>>1449380
let the player do that if they want to? you can finish most doom maps without killing a ton of monsters if you really want to

>>1449389
It wasn't meant to be a negative.

But really though, nobody is going to dick around and shoot things down with the pistol of all things.

Nobody likes the Doom pistol. It's really slow and weak. The definition of a pea shooter.
It's weaker than just punching things.

And being forced to fight things with it isn't going to be any interesting considering how good players who play Doom are.
If it was Duke's pistol then maybe I can understand pistol battles. At least Duke's pistol had a good rate of fire on it to hide it's weakness a tad.

If I find myself stuck with the pistol for any extended amount of time in Doom I will either beeline it to a shotgun or punch the shit out of everything.

>>1449393
>>1449389
Neither of these gives a way to make a pistol battle feel tense.

If anything it gives a way to bypass using the pistol

>>1449389
seriously, forcing the player to go though the level in a specific way is what leads to stuff like call of duty

think of a level more as a problem that the player has to solve however he wishes rather than a sequence of rooms and events that he has to go though in a specific order

>>1449393
>>1449389
>>1449404
But guys, the conversation isn't about skipping enemies.
It's about being forced to use the pistol

>>1449407
So the issue is just that the pistol is boring regardless of playstyle?

You want interesting level starts? Give the player a plasma rifle and JUST enough ammo to get to the shotty. I never see ammo limited plasma starts, and it's a damn shame.

>>1449415
Pretty much.

And it's damage output is just too low, it wasn't really made for combat from the feels of it.

I'd rather have a level focused on punching things with Berserk than a level focused on shooting things with the pistol.

There's only been one or two times where a pistol focused battle has been any interesting, and that's because of good placement of explosive barrels to be used.

>>1449372
Imps are entirely difficult enough if there are a handful of them. Fighting three or four imps with only a pistol can be a perfectly good way to challenge a player in the first room or two of a map--especially in the first level or two.

Personally, I always start the player off with two or three Zombiemen to mow down just to give them enough ammo to start a small pool.

If you were meant to have the shotgun from the beginning, they would have given it to you, like in Quake.