/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1410416
not as good as the first
weaker platforming
push forward to win

It's a sonic game.

one of the worst games of all time, it is the epitome of a rehash and shovelware
if it werent a pack-in it would have killed the franchise (and sega, too)
0.5/5

it rules

>>1410443
lel, this fucking janitor

no seriously there is a pretty obvious solution to this problem

>>1410449
What are you referring to?

Anyway, Sonic 2 was alright but not better than Sonic 1 or 3

It's my least favorite of the classics, including CD, but it's still very good.

fun game + great soundtrack

>>1410443
>>1410447
>>1410449
Trash goes on >>>/a/.

My favorite of the 16 bit Sonics. Faster pace than Sonic 1, doesn't have the huge unfocused levels of Sonic 3&K.

>>1410482
Unfocused?

>>1410465
As much as you've filled my Megaten folder can you please respect the rules of 4chan and stop avatarfagging with Naoto?

>>1410491

i post other shit too, i just got a ton of naoto pics

>>1410493
That guy's right though, avatarfagging is against the rules. Please stop unless it's relevant to the discussion.

one of the worst games of all time, its the epitome of a rehash and shovelware
if it werent a pack-in it would have killed the franchise (and sega, too)
0.5/5

>inb4 replies

one of the best games of all time
elevated the series, and sega, to new heights
much better than the 3d games, especially sonic adventure 2

>>1410510
>>1410524
Which one do I shoot!?

>>1410540
Oh shit, uh...

>>1410540
if you think sa2 was a good game, yourself

levels aren't as fun as 3 but the soundtrack is by far the best of any sonic game

>>1410484
Lots of wandering about with no sense of progression.

>>1410416
>Thoughts on Sonic 2?

great game much more pretty than the first one

>>1410416
My favourite Sonic game. Might be nostalgia, but I don't care. I played it constantly when I was a kid

The level select cheat was pretty clutch, too. Fuck Silver Sonic

>>1410540
You chose wisely.

Anyone who says those special stages were fun is a nostalgiafag of the worst kind.

>>1410691

>that image

Perfect.

3&K > 2 > 1

Each one got progressively better.

I think the smartest thing Sonic 2 did was introduce Tails as an invincible sidekick so you could play co-op with your little brother or sister and not have them whine about how the game cheats and how you let, no, made them lose. Meanwhile Super Mario has a tantrum encouraging extra life gifting system.

>>1414567
You're just doing it wrong. When I played with my step-sister, I used to keep her in constant fear of getting yelled at for inconsistent playing, so whining of all things didn't even cross her mind unless she played perfectly.

>>1414576
Wow, you're a fucking chode.

I think that tails was a great addition to the series.

It gave you an edge on bosses and something for your lesser skilled siblings to play cooperatively without constant game overs.

I think that Tails was overall a good addition to the series as well because it mixed up the gameplay in the series to include more exploration.

Sonic alone, it's just momentum based platforming, but Tails and later Knuckle's abilities brought in more environment exploration abilities.

>>1414576

And on which Christmas did she take her own life because of you?

I wish I could just play S3K with all of Sonic 2's music placed throughout. That would be the absolute best. Not that S3K doesn't have good music, it's just not absolute musical perfection like Sonic 2.

>>1410416
Decent game. Sequel to "Sonic the Hedgehog".

why dont sonic games sell for as much as mario games

>>1417670
Because they aren't on the SNES. No, really.

>>1417670

Because SNES is more popular therefore you have more chances to find a dumbass who will pay 30$ for a SNES cartridge.

It's honestly one of the only platformers I've enjoyed enough to play all the way through.

I cannot say this about a single mario title.

Gotta go fast.

>>1410551
You're a faggot and Sonic Adventure 2 may be my favorite game.

>>1410416
I think it is a good improvement over the first S3/K is always going to be the better game, but Sonic 2 was the biggest improvement over it's predecessor.

I thought the introduction of Tails was interesting. Playing singleplayer with two players was really fun for me. Over all I enjoyed the game and don't have many complaints.

>>1410416
my overall favorite one. didn't have as many obxious traps that forced you to reset the game like three and the levels never felt too long unlike sonic and knuckles. those sonic rush games came close to mastering this feel but the boost system made it to damn easy.
>dat soundtrack
>dem levels
>fucking second player tails co-op

>>1419990
When did 3 force you to reset the game?

Even if it did, it was most fortunate that it had a built in save system.

>>1420006
I think the one board I reset the most was somewhere in the casino zone in sonic the hedghog three. I know you had to time the jump but fuck that bullshit with a rack. klonoa 1 had better jump physics.

>>1420012
Beginner's mistake. It has nothing to do with jumping at all. You press up and down to move the platform.

Good memories playing Sonic 2. That spin dash was god damned essential and I could never go back to playing the first. Fun game with colorful levels and great music that has inspired countless remixes, that is until lava reef and ice cap came along.

Time to listen to the ending medly again for maximum feels.

>>1420006
There was the occasional bug where you could glitch through scenery and get stuck. The devs knew about the bug but couldn't find a way to get rid of it, so they added this bit in the manual about Dr. Robotnik's diabolical traps. I recall it being most common in Carnival Night.

>>1420012
Weird thing is nobody got tripped up by mushroom hill swing lifts. This thing was the bane of childhoods, but both are solved basicly the same way.

Honestly the first three games all play somewhat the same but feel unique. The second brought the sense of speed and flying through zones. Tails was unique for the time. How many games had a (basic) tag along helper with you before it?

>>1420034
Haha, I remember that bullshit. Back when reading the instruction books was something to do.

>>1410416
It's a sonic game

sonic games = shit

>>1420046
Even weirder is that nobody got tripped up by the boss of Marble Garden. As a kid, I knew how to beat the barrel because the Marble Garden boss tipped me off that moving up and down is sometimes necessary when it wasn't in Sonic 2.

>>1420046
The difference between the swing lifts and the carnival platforms is that there's no false sense of progress with any other method. You can tell jumping does nothing for the lifts so you try other things.

But people get so hung up on the idea that jumping is what they're SUPPOSED to do with the carnival night platforms they keep doing it, they just think it's supposed to be really hard and they just suck at it.

>>1420057
I think if you play with a friend, you can control Tails by his usual jumping to fly method. Which is what we did.

>>1420034
Yet they eventually fixed that bug in Sonic 3 & Knuckles. So much for that diabolical trap.

>>1410416

garbage like all other sonic games, except Generations

>>1420034
It's funny how well made yet still very buggy the classic Sonic games are. Like in Sonic 1, the title screen is supposed to say "press start button," but a glitch stops it. There are also the points in the game where Sonic won't curl into a ball when he jumps.

>those fucking special stages

>>1410691
>casualized speed

10/10

>>1422150
two bugs
wow
so glitch
such terrible

It was my favorite as a kid, but for some reason I'd rather play Sonic 1 or even Sonic 3&K today. Maybe it's because I played the shit out of Sonic 2 and nothing in it even remotely surprises me anymore.

The western cover art is still one of the coolest and most iconic of all time though.

>>1423715
why is he so mad about this 2 ?

>>1423731
The giant 2 is metaphor for his defeat in the first game. He's angry that there even is a sequel in the first place. This time he will finish the job and ensure Sonic never gets the chance again, hence why he's crushing it.

>>1420034
Yeah, that was because collision detection sucked shit and you sometimes got stuck inside walls.

It also happens in Sonic 2 at one point where the moving blocks in Chemical Plant can push you into the wall.

>>1423690
But it is casualized. In Sonic 1 you had a hard time building up momentum and had to maintain it. In Sonic 2, you do the spin dash and presto high speed.

The first game I ever played so it'll alway be an important one for me.
Played the shit out of it as a kid, recently got the Android version with the addition of Hidden Palace zone which is awesome to see after all this time.
My only complaint has always been the lack of map or story binding the zones together - as they began to introduce with Sonic 3.

>>1420021
>ending medley

I hear you man, I hear you.

>>1423780
>the lack of map or story binding the zones together
Yeah, definitely one of Sonic 2's weak points. Even Sonic 1 had a sense of chronological progression and connectedness due to the shifting time of day.

>>1423780
>they began to introduce in Sonic 3
lolno, sonic 1 did it first
sonic 2 is so sloppily thrown together that it has zero flow

>>1423816
How did I not ever notice this?

It's a very good game with a fantastic soundtrack. Love me some Oil Ocean zone.

>>1423816
I'm not sure if I follow the image. Is it that the background of a level is the next level in the game?

>>1423846
morning -> noon -> afternoon -> evening -> night -> midnight -> early morning
the scrap brain pic is bad

>>1423846
The time of the day progresses from day to dusk to night.

Which is about the ONLY order the levels can be connected to each.

>>1423846
No, it's that the levels begin in the early day and end at night, in order. So it feels like Sonic completes his quest in a single day.

>>1423853
>>1423854
>>1423857

Oh!

I'm an idiot. And that's really cool. I never noticed that. I like little touches like that.

>>1423816
Ha! You know, i'd never really noticed that before but it makes perfect sense looking at it now. I was always aware that the game got darker in palette as it went along (Labyrinth excepted) but I guess it never clicked with my childhood self.

>>1423838
Yeaaah boi. Oil Ocean is some gansta fly shit.

>>1423838
>>1423926
people actually like oil ocean?
its butt ugly and probably the worst zone in the series

>>1424084
I always loved the colour palette - the orange sky with the sun setting offset against the blackness of the oil - pure quality.
It's one of those zones that I hated as a kid because it was fucking hard. Going back as an adult, I enjoy it a lot more and it's still genuinely challenging.

>>1414567
>>1414576
>>1414691
oh wow how did I never know about this feature?
is it in S3 too?

>>1424510
Yes it is.

>>1424709
I never got it to work; only competitive

>>1423715
I believe the guy who did the cover art for the western releases recently passed away.

>>1424920
probably from hypertension or some similar stress-caused illness.

>>1424913
If you play as Sonic and Tails, the 2P controller can pick up and play as Tails at any point. If they don't, or if the 2P leaves it alone for a few seconds, the AI will control Tails and generally just mimic the 1P behavior. You can do this in Sonic 2, Sonic 3 and Sonic 3 & Knuckles but not Sonic & Knuckles standalone. You can also set it to do a Sonic or Tails solo run. If you're good enough to use 2 controllers on your own or have someone to play 2P for you, there are several extra areas in S3&K that you can get to by having Tails fly Sonic to them, or by flying there as Tails solo. In Sonic 2, Tails cannot fly while under player control.

>>1410691
>The Genesis invented future DLC
>the Genesis became EA's bitch

Nintendo was trying to stop it.

>>1420034
>It's not a bug, it's a feature!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4LqtlarVGg
>that bit at 0:35

If you had a little brother and a genesis when this came out, every night was a night of fun

>>1425121

dat break down

>>1410416
Best Sonic game and the only I still bother playing every now and then.

>>1422150
Don't forget how you can outrun the scrolling, hit the bottom of the screen, and die in Green Hill Zone Act 1 if you're going too fast through those S-tunnels. The only way to do it is by jumping at a certain point in the loop so you can add your jump momentum to your speed, but that's my favorite way to go through loops, so I found this bug INFURIATING.

>>1425132
I played with my sister and agree.

>>1410416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCcJnffie48

Nothing more needs to be said.

>>1422150
The title screen actually looks worse with the "Press Start Button" text, but maybe that's just me.
>>1411071
I'd rather play the special stages in Sonic 3D Blast than Sonic 2 or 3&K.

It's way too easy to go fast. I mean, the first game is by no means hard, but it required a little effort and memorization to keep your speed up. All the new obstacles in 2 feel insubstantial, a lot of the enemies are placed so they aren't in the way and don't have to be dealt with, and you don't need to think about your momentum as much because of the spin dash. It's just not as satisfying to play as the first game.

>>1427643
Sonic 2 can also do that, there's a point in Chemical Plant where you can trigger it every time.

Just reached scrap brain zone in sonic1, its underwhelming and boring compared to any nes megaman

It's great, better than CD but not better than 3&K.

I don't know why but the overall graphics of 2 is too strange compared to 1 and 3&K. I don't know what it is, everything looks more washed out, I can't really explain it.

>>1430014

>>1430062
It's not an exciting game to finish, especially because, if you take your time, you can get tons of extra lives and continues. All the fun is in figuring out how to beat the levels quickly.

>>1430014
You're full of shit. Sonic 2 was a game dedicated to the concept of encouraging someone to go fast so that you can punish them for it. Sonic 1 was just regular honest platforming with slope mechanics added.

Sonic 3 & Knuckles was for going fast without being fucked over for it, but the many paths made up for the lesser challenge.

>>1430093
We obviously agree that it's easy to go fast, though I disagree that a game as lenient as Sonic 2 is in any way dedicated to punishing the player.

>>1430093

>the concept of encouraging someone to go fast so that you can punish them for it

Isn't that a contradiction? Like, you're encouraged to move fast, but when you move fast you get punished, so you're basically being told not to go fast at the same time? Are there people who play Sonic 2 slowly?

>>1430065
In what order did you first play the series?
Backwards no doubt

In my opinion it's underrated.
Regarding level design i prefer 1 and 3, but damn, the soundtrack and the boss fights are WAY better than than the other two games.
Don't lie, robot sonic and death egg robot were very fitting final bosses, and fun fights too.
Tails is kinda hit or miss. I found it fun to have him by my side, but i can't say there were not frustrating times.
Overall, i liked it more than the 1st game, inferior only in level design.

>>1432274
And you can always omit the computer controlled Tails if you swing that way.

I wouldn't say it is underrated at all, just that on here /vr/ tends to consider Sonic and Knuckles + Sonic 3 as a single game and hold it as the pinnacle of the original releases. Whereas on gaming sites (such as MobyGames) that rate the single games as they were released, Sonic 2 is generally seen as the best.

love it.

>mfw that final boss music

It gets stuck in my head regularly and i'm not even a sonicfag

>>1430065
>I don't know why but the overall graphics of 2 is too strange compared to 1 and 3&K. I don't know what it is, everything looks more washed out, I can't really explain it.
I disagree on this being a bad thing; S3&K was more colorful but the result was it being a lot messier. S2 was a lot cleaner and more pleasant visually.

>>1430078
Told.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa0giRkQdQM

>there will never be a Sonic Heroes 1 + 2 + 3 + K romhack

>>1410416
It was my alpha.

It's my favorite though it has a really stupid difficulty curve. The game is one of the easiest in the series until you reach Mystic Cave and then decides out of no where to get hard. I got not issues with it being hard it's just the difficulty spike goes way up out of no where instead of gradually increasing.

>>1410416
first sonic i played, made me want to get a genesis.

never got one, didnt regret it.

this will be a similar trend for all the sega consoles. I wanted a saturn so hard. and then i didnt get one. turns out the playstation gave me more fun and variety than the saturn ever could.

then came the dreamcast. the notion of native online game support was riveting. PSO was such a cool idea.

then i got diablo 2, tiberian sun, and Jedi Knight DF2.

and I never once regretted my lack of sega. seems my parents made the right choice sticking to nintendo

>>1423827
sorry. i meant to say Sonic 2 is the greatest game I ever played. to be honest, no other sonic game can compare. sure, sonic 3 + Knuckles is a masterpiece, but sonic 2 is a single cartridge and is simply wonderful. all of the levels are well thought out, and the only one that annoys me is the sky chase, only because it's just kinda slow.