/vr/ - Retro Games

Because it's overrated.

>>1406537
Gimmick or Mario?

Super Mario Bros. was 7 years older, by the time Gimmick! was released SMB had already cemented its place.

>>1406538
Gimmick

Every few weeks there's a thread extolling the greatness of this hidden gem.
It's an average game with slippery controls and average pastel colours.

>>1406553
This.

It was originally revered in the NES community for the technical aspects it took advantage of. This is not readily apparent to average players. In turn it created a kind of mystique around Gimmick! which snowballed and now it's resulted in it being overrated by everyone.

>>1406535
Because the NES Mario games are actually good.

>>1406535
One of them invented the sidescroller.
The other didn't.

One invented side scrollers.

The other one is a Megaman clone with a cute critter.

>>1406591
>Megaman clone
You've got brain damage.

it's got the big three when it comes to being cool to like among hipsters:
>not released in america 4 muh weeaboo appeal
>rare to boot so physical copy collecting ensures even bad/mediocre games get extremely popular (little samson anyone?)
>has good grafix

It was too Gimmicky

I like Gimmick! but i dunno, man. Don't think it qualifies as a "timeless classic" or whatever.

>>1406553
Thirded

>>1406702
i<3u

>>1406553
>every few weeks
>mario has a thread nearly every day
Gimmick's controls felt extremely tight to me, maybe even too tight (as there was no fucking running and it felt like I should be able to run), I don't understand why you feel that way. The only problems I can think of in this game is that it awards players for learning the games mechanics, for example, star hopping across level 4 ; learning the level, another example, three additional lives in the secret on the first screen of the game ; and how short the game is. It is a solid platformer that rewards you for learning how to play, so I think it should deserve its following just like other good NES games.

>>1406587
>>1406591
>they think Mario invented the sidescroller

Are there any good romhacks for this game?

>>1406591
>One invented side scrollers.
I think the word you're looking for is 'refined'. The NES also had the hardware to make it really awesome at the time, too

I like Gimmick a lot. The star thing is fun to use and the music is good as well. In addition, it is very technically advanced for the Famicom.

Because if it weren't for the great presentation there would be nothing good about it

>>1406591
>invented side scrollers

Weeaboo hipster "hidden gem."

Protip: The thing about "underrated" is that once you call something that, it no longer is.

See also, Overhara Kawrated.

It came out in 92.

>>1406587
>>1406591
What is pacland shitlords?

>>1406873

Think you can try to express yourself without meaningless buzzwords there, champ?

>>1406873
>See also, Overhara Kawrated.
Which is a fucking great game, but yeah, meets the aforementioned hipster trifecta, and the unfortunate trend with all these games, as evidenced by this thread, is that some loser out there decides they need to bring this game the honor it "deserves" like they were white knighting, all the time.

Actually, I'm surprised there aren't more Ufouria threads. That's another game that should fall squarely into this category.

>>1406881
What is Jump Bug, faggot? Answer: no one cares.

It only really shines when you go balls deep into it mechanically, which is not something most people will do. If you don't bother exploring the star mechanic or getting the best end it's just a good if short platformer. Hell I doubt most people even do the best end without heavy save state abuse.

Also according to this thread liking anything even remotely obscure or japanese makes you a hipster weeaboo now which is obviously detestable and ruins the game by association.

>>1406873
>The thing about "underrated" is that once you call something that, it no longer is.
no one ever fucking said it was underrated, and no one is saying that it isn't overrated either. its a good game, i just wish its thread wasn't started as a shitty subjective flamewar.

>>1406873
How is Umihara overrated? It's not that popular and I hardly see threads about it.

>>1406767
>Mario
>Final Fantasy
>Metroid
>Sonic
>Zelda
>etcetera

These are very popular and established series' with many games and many merits. Characters, stories and themes aplenty to be discussed, dissected and theorised.
Gimmick is a cute little game with no story and little character that is very short and was somewhat obscure after its release. There is only so much you can say about Gimmick and it has been said ad infinitum.
Whether you like the game or not; it is no longer hidden, it is no masterpiece.

>>1406892
its an auto scroller, Defender is also older with scrolling but I was referring to the mario style which you can tell was influenced by pacland, which was a hugely influential game back in the day.

>>1406909
That's true. There's no debating the innovation of Pacland, but its circle of influence is completely overshadowed by SMB in the same way as Quake overshadowed Ultima Underworld (with respect to 3D techniques rather than genre).

>>1406553
>slippery controls

he was talking about the game, not ur mum m8

>>1406903
It had its run of people trying to hypercorrect for its obscurity a while ago, and so its time has passed. Gimmick is still fresher.

>>1406905
Gimmick is also popular. I know, I know, it is crazy. A game you try to hammer into everyone's head as underrated has a fanbase. I never said that the game was underrated, or hidden, or even a fucking masterpiece, so why do you continue saying it is? When those games were on the NES, their story was extremely limited too. Story and character descriptions by no means makes a good platformer, and to say Gimmick doesn't have its own theme is just stupid. Mr. Gimmick didn't have a sequel, and wasn't popular when it was released, because of how late in the NES's life it was released (note, Japanese would have already had an SNES two years before this game came out), and was also not released in many countries. As a result, it wasn't as popular. So go ahead, to one of the many Mario, Final Fantasy, Metroid, Sonic, and Zelda threads, or hell create your own, instead of shitting up this thread because the game this thread is about isn't like all the games you love.

>>1406767
>three additional lives in the secret on the first screen of the game
what?

>>1406909
>>1406881
>>1406779
It never ceases to amaze me just how far back you can track different elements used in games.
Thanks to this thread I went and read up on the history of first person perspective games, and ended up in 1975 (instead of Atari 2600, where I thought it started).

I guess if there's one thing the 8-16 bit era accomplished better than any other era, it was to knock almost all previous gaming history out of the mainstream "sheep" memory.

(And I was >>1406587 so I guess I too have been too caught up in the home console era to understand how far back most features really go. I'll go and repent now.)
Not going back to /v/ though, never were there in the first place.

>>1406956
Here is a hint. NOTE: SPOILER (kinda).

>>1406976
Oh, but that only give you two extra lives.

>>1406976
Isn't that just the jump point for the first hidden treasure?

>>1406535
Wasn't it only released in Japan and Scandinavia? I think that seriously crippled its appeal.

>>1406980
>>1406982
Sorry my mistake. It has been a few years, yeah it is only two.

Marketing.

>oh god he doesn't want to bury his face between Boobihara's tits, he must be a troll

>>1406881
>shitlords
Why

id assume because it didn't get a wider release and its rare. mario had more exposure than just japan and scandanavia or where ever the fuck else it was released.

>>1407028
>Why
Why

>>1407012
Tits? She's like seven years old, what the fuck

>>1407074
Since when was she 7?

>>1406946
Jesus Christ you're one fucking overly defensive wanker. Can you even read and comprehend the words and sentences that have been typed in the OP and the ensuing replies?
There's more than just you and me contributing to this thread pal.

>>1407078

>>1406535
Gimmick came out at the end of the NES's life, sold poorly in Japan, and never got a localization or port.

It was completely unknown in the US until a few years ago.

Gimmick is really good for an NES game but it was released at the same time as Genesis and SNES games. It had a target to shoot for imitating on inferior hardware and it made a really good attempt.

there's a bit of a barrier in terms of difficulty

mario games had masterful difficulty curves where the first few levels would teach you basic mechanics and the latter ones would prove more challenging, enough to get casual players motivated to finish the game.

gimmick wrecks your shit throughout the entire course of the game and, even though it's very rewarding difficulty, most would give up on the game after about 20 minutes of dying on the first 2 levels

>>1407213
>mario games had masterful difficulty curves where the first few levels would teach you basic mechanics and the latter ones would prove more challenging, enough to get casual players motivated to finish the game.
Isn't that what is usually called the "rule of 3"? (I'm seriously asking, I never heard this term before /vr/)

>gimmick wrecks your shit throughout the entire course of the game and, even though it's very rewarding difficulty, most would give up on the game after about 20 minutes of dying on the first 2 levels
Meh, Gimmick's difficulty lies more in the "if you don't find a treasure on all stages you get a bad ending" for me. The regular game is pretty easy imho.

>>1407221
dunno what the rule of 3 is

i meant that the game is much more punishing for those who don't play that many retro/generally difficult games

part of mario's appeal is that anyone can pick it up and be pretty good at it in a minute. with gimmick, it takes time. and it's a lot easier to blame the game on that one. rather than "i'm no good at this game", it becomes "this game is unfair"

the treasure issue just adds to that. when i've told people about gimmick's system for unlocking the final level, the reaction has always been the opinion that it's unfair

>>1407074
>>1407075
Umihara has always been 19, but the new game has some kind of time travel mechanic, so there's adult Umihara and child Umihara.

Trip World is better

>>1406535
I played the game expecting shit

but wow, I love it. The music... those graphics...

>>1407253
Still, I don't see a reason to jack to her

people will masturbate to any female character that has tits (or doesnt) and it's silly

>>1407285
>people will masturbate to any female character that has tits (or doesnt) and it's silly
>silly
I think the word you're looking for is "4chan".

>>1406903

It's not. Retards don't know the definition of overrated. They just think that any game they don't really care for shouldn't be a common subject of discussion.

>>1407269
If only Trip World had the star mechanic...

>>1406903

it's not overrated, except by a few people on /vr/ who think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and refuse to listen to any sort of critique towards it

Because it was released too late, in too limited region, without enough advertising and paid 'journalists' (remember that pro review with the guy saying the game has only 3 stages? Well you see right when you turn on the game how many stages it has, so he didn't even play it)

>>1406535

Because it was never released in the only country that matters.

>>1409260
That image almost makes me mad because it makes no god damn sense. It would actually be at least vaguely funny if it was UK guy walking Australia, New Zealand and Ireland dawgs.

>>1409251

phhhhh only 3 megabits? not enough power to go sonic fast with those kiddiebits.

>>1409295
>expecting anything on 4chan to make sense
>especially from /pol/ and /int/

>>1409251
EGM?

>>1409251
>asspull reviews
>one person actually played
So like today, then?

>>1407253
I've only played the SNES one, and I guess it's been a while, but I remember thinking she was very young, certainly not a teenager.

>>1409387
Yeah, but they're actually using a 5 to mean the middle!

Mario actually got released outside of Japan and Scandinavia. That kinda helps when it comes to getting people to play your game.

>>1407098