/vr/ - Retro Games

how well does nulldc work?

>>1385409
pretty good

I only knew how to play Ryu, Ken, and Sakura, but I fucking made this guy mad after beating him twice in a row. I kind of like not being able to play high-level Marvel vs Capcom 2. It seems kind of boring, actually.

what's the 2D fighter with the best animations? I played Mark of the Wolves the other day and it was sweet as fuck. Great game.

>>1385451
Any Guilty Gear past the first, I guess. X is technically /vr/.

>>1385451
Guilty Gear
but only the old PSX one is retro.
Last Blade 2 is also very good.

>>1385462
GGX is on the Dreamcast (and it's quite a bit better than the PS2 version).

>>1385420
That's why mvsc2 is shit. The first one was much better.

BERSERKER SLASH

>>1385481
way better

>>1385497
>mfw I've killed faggots with that

>>1385504

>>1385532
I fucking love Jim. So badass.

>>1385548
>jim

>>1385451
Third Strike

>>1385671
yes

>>1385497
>>1385504
Hell yes that move was hilarious.

In MvsC1, if you kill a guy, run into the corner just behind the tag team partner, and start the taunt while facing back, you can manage to lock him into blocking and do 100% chip damage. The other guy will normally block as he jumps in, falling into the fire which chips and blockstuns him. But since you are both facing each others backs, blocking (as well as advanced guard) will just push you both closer to each other. So you cannot break out of that hold.

I think the only way out of that trap is either to never block Jins taunt move, or to use advanced guard and then stop guarding - I think that latter makes it possible to get out of block stun for a split second, which you can use to stop blocking and get hit. But I'm not 100% sure on that.

>>1385462
Guilty Gear looks great, but the animation is stiffer than that which you'd see from SF3

>>1385746
you mean like this?
http://youtu.be/W0hd51p-fdc?t=5m49s

>>1385497
>>1385532
>>1385746

You are now aware that Jin is Capcom's Captain Falcon. In fact, they have similar attacks.

>>1385756

much better than guilty gear, but this is saturn game and those in general looked much more fluid than 2D PS1 games if they used the memory expansion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91X4mza5ejk

>>1385774
Jin's more awesome.

>>1385764
Something like that, except that if the opponent touches the ground, he'll have no chance for jumping out of the way, and will be completely stuck in the blockstun with no way to get out.
I think advanced guard could break the block but I'm not sure.

WE WANT TO EAT YOUR BRAINS

I always thought Death Bite+Hyper Megaman was the best team hyper combo. DEATH MEGAMAN, ACTIVATE!

>>1385776
Does that blonde haired girl with the blue and white outfit have Popeye arms?

TYPHOON
TYPHOON
TYPHOON
OOOOH
LIGHTNING ATTACK
TYPHOON
TYPHOON
TYPHOON
TYPHOON
LIGHTNING ATTACK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vwu6HXx6MY

>>1385451
Darkstalkers. Very golden age of animation style traditional cartooning, and lots of morphing and such that really takes advantage of the medium.

>>1386357
we NEED MORE

>>1385420

It is, its mostly Storm, Sentinel Magneto or Cable, super boring matches.

>>1388324
why do pros always pick sentinel magneto dr doom or storm

>>1385391
I just bought this game for the xbox, why is there 2 wolverines? i though their moves where gonna be different, but they are the same, damn i wasted 900 points.

>>1388991
>I just bought this game for the xbox

Are you some sort of time traveller. As for the Wolverines, if I remember right the one with Adamantium claws has better defense but Bone claws has better range

>>1388359
Because the top tier teams absolutely and completely blow all other teams out of the water.
If you're trying to be competitive at this game and actually win, picking any kind of low-tier hero team or even mid-tier team is simply not an option.

>Owned this game on my Dreamcast for over 2 years
>Just this week after grinding finally finished getting all the costumes and stages
Now to never play this game again

>>1389095
Do you have friends? That's a good reason to play a fighting game. Or you afraid of getting owned by servbot?

Jesus Christ!

>>1389135
They don't play console games

>>1389003
for some reason i never bought it, last weekend i came across it in a sale yard and bought it without a doubt. Wow i didnt noticed the difference about the adamantiun, that is a nice touch.

>>1388359
Because MvsC2 is awfully imbalanced. Almost all Capcom fighters are...

>>1385391
I thought he was screaming "GET IN THE GARAGE!" for the longest time.

>>1385391
I always thought he said PERSISTENT BARRAGE, but then again I make mistakes about character quotes often in fighters.

>>1389003
Why would he have bone claws? I thought Wolverine always just had adamantium ones. Wouldn't bones just be a shitty material for claws?

>>1389484
Mag Neato pulled the metal out of him one time and it was revealed that he could still pop his claws, the metal was just a coat on the bones he already had.

It was also a way for Capcom to fill up one more character slot easily.

>>1389519
CLONE OF MYSELF OF THE OTHER HALF OF THE BEFORE SELF

SPIDER STING

>>1389180
glad my friends and myself weren't alone.

Don't forget guile's "speech."

>>1389519
funny enough they had mostly no trouble filling the marvel half of the game, but the capcom half they were desperately reaching for non-SF characters. That's why they had to make Ruby Heart on top of using characters like Sonson and having all the joke characters being capcom (roll, servbot)

>>1388324
Do Cable players even use any other move besides Viper Beam?

>>1389180
best ever
(not jesus, but the other fictional character)

>>1390320
UNICLEATS

Yoga Flame!

>>1392595
human FART juice

MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDA

So, I heard you, uh, had a beef with our lord and savior?

>>1392679
THE WORLD

>>1390320

Javelin and Plasma Grenade have their uses

>>1392843
>>1392843
GET IN THE GARAGE

how do i play mvc2

>>1393891
roll your face across the buttons while masturbating the joystick furiously.

AW YU OKAY????

BASTAAAAAA WUUUUUUUURFFF

>>1393929
hey come on come on

>>1393929
>>1394540
GET SERIOUS

>>1394565
this battle is about to explode FIGHT

BANDATHA!

SONIKKU BUU!

>>1394625
SUMMER SALT!

>>1394612
GRAND UPPAH HAPPU DANRG

>COME ON! COME ON!
>HEY! HEY!
>COME ON! COME ON!
>HEY! HEY!
>COME ON! COME ON!
>HEY! HEY!
>COME ON! COME ON!
>HEY! HEY!
>COME ON! COME ON!
>HEY! HEY!

>>1394730

>>1394760
Does that actually happen in game, or are these custom sprites?

>>1394770
They're for real. Norimaro's only in the JP release of Marvel vs Street Fighter, though.

I'm surprised Norimaro is not a meme.

>>1394760
>Little girl
>Zangief

Guy has range in his tastes.

>>1394798
best taste

>>1390320
Hyper Viper Beam

>>1388359

Because the pile of unbalanced shit, but to be more specific.

Sentinel: Highest health total in the game, hardest hitting moves as well, nearly all of his specials can combo off his regular moveset as well or anyone else really, he can fit into any team pretty much. Even a piddly 10 hit combo from sent is enough to do like 50% of a lifebar to any other character that isn't Sentinel himself.

Storm: Can basically stay in the air forever, just float around, cast typhoon and mash jab to build meter(its as boring as it sounds).

Magneto: Has good rushdown and projectile game and his chip damage is absurd with magnetic tempest, even if you don't get hit by anything he can chip 20%-25% of your lifebar easy with one of his specials, he also has an infinite that's pretty brainless to do.

Doom: Kinda like magneto though more projectile heavy, in his case his projectiles have a lot of range and tend to fill the screen up, he also has good pressure with his foot dive since its entirely safe.

Cable: King of chip damage with less effort than what Magneto needs.

The reason these character dominate the game is because they're beyond broken, no other characters can even come close to these guys, if any low tier hero is in your squad with these guys you pretty much lost. Marvel 3 is not different with Vergil, Doom, Spencer dominating the game right now.

>>1394794
Norimaro was incredible.

>>1394891
Zero is also very dominant in Marvel 3.

>>1394782
I think he means whether he does these poses in the game. I'm pretty sure he doesn't, although he may have these frames in completely different context.

I believe he does have hearts around his head when facing female opponents though.

>>1394891
i couldn't really understand not trying to be rude

>>1394627
charlie says "hubbafoo"

>>1394891

Marvel 3 isn't really dominated by any specific group of characters though. Vergil is very good, but his weakness is that without X-Factor he has very few safe moves. Doom can be pretty strong with certain assists, the FOLLOW MY LEAD with Amaterasu is beyond strong and his comboability is among the best, but alone he is just not a threat. Spencer is overall good but his air game is very weak and he can be beaten by both aerial and small size characters like Storm, Firebrand and Rocket Raccoon.

I'd say only Zero is the only really truly broken character because he has so many advantages and his disadvantages are easily covered. He moves fast, hits hard, has great comboability and meter gain, can one touch kill, has amazing pokes, safe DHC into Sougenmu and can convert off of pretty much any special attack, strong air and ground tactics and a smaller hitbox that gets him out of some combos. He even has a really good assist with Hadangeki when Sougenmu is activated.

>>1394907
Actually, those frames are from an unused hyper combo. You can't do it in-game, but the sprites are still in the data.

>>1395050

What terminology don't you get? I'd be happy to explain em.

>>1395110
rushdown, projectile game, chip damage and amazing pokes

>>1394625
sonic BRADE

>>1385391
I actually read it in Cal Dodd's voice... hah

>>1394782
I have a US PCB that I modiefied to allow for Norimaro to be playable. It's not that difficult. In fact it's outside of the protected area so you can do it even with encrypted ROMs.

In English-mode he has English speech balloons and his bathtub hyper combo only does 19 hits instead of 22. Otherwise he plays fine.

>>1395119

Rushdown: Generally categorized as a character that's always in your face and keeping pressure on you, forcing you on the defensive.

Projectile game: Character that uses projectiles to keep you away forcing you to come to him, someone like Sagat in SF for example or even Ryu in SF.

Generally most fighting game characters fall under these 2 categories, some can do both but are usually weak on one of the 2, there are exceptions of course, Kabal in Mortal Kombat can do both with scary efficiency.

Chip damage: When you block in most fighting games you tend to take a little bit of damage as well, this is called chip damage. It generally prevents a match from dragging on to long.

Amazing pokes: Certain moves in a character's repertoire that he can use to break through your defense, these moves can either connect outright or a player can use them to keep you constantly on the defensive, any character with amazing pokes usually means that that they're all safe, he can just keep blocking, manipulate your position with no danger to himself.

>>1395226
so basically they're like patterns? Interesting, i remember i played against this one guy who was telling me about how characters in fighting games have different patterns.

>>1395178
thanos weak

>>1393929
>>1394540
HEY HEY HEY

>>1394901
For what amounted to a celebrity publicity stunt, they did end up with a pretty amusing character. Apparently the artists were more into the idea than the executives, though. Just goes to show how much more sway the actual developers had back in the day.

>>1394625
>SONIC BOOM

>>1395178
The sound effect for his taunt is also turned into an engrish "SIGN PREASE" sample.

His autocombo does 19 hits vs 21 (not 22) I think, and only because they removed one of the sprites for whatever reason. The move cycles through a set of sprites twice, so one sprite removed = 2 missing hits. I think it's the sprite where he is begging from his father.

>>1395886
It was the bathtub one that was removed. Which is odd, seeing as it was already watered down from its original intention. Originally he was just sitting naked on a stool washing himself (Japanese people wash themselves off before they get in the bathtub). Also the sprite where he dresses as Mega Man was originally him dressed up as Kamen Norider (the Kamen Rider parody character that the comedian ho designed him plays).

>>1395904
KAMEN RIDER

>>1395079
sonic hurrrcane

>>1396023
UNICLEATS

>>1394612
He is actually saying Panda Paw. which is pretty stupid.

why was mvc2 soundtrack so shit?

>>1395849
marvel hated the fuck out of the idea
no wonder they never officially released that game in the west

>>1396476
>no wonder they never officially released that game in the west

wut

>>1396476
They did, they just dummied Norimaro out. Although I've heard the real reason Marvel didn't like him might have simply that he wasn't part of the contract, rather than having anything against the character himself.

>>1385391
hi

>>1396840

>>1385481
also, 2d background and 2d sprites like any Marvel comics game should be


why can't we get a Comix Zone style game in HD? well, I know why, it would cost too much but damn how I want one.

>>1396935
should of kept with the 2P

>>1396621
>Dat QSound intro tho..

>>1392609

Worse, curry.

>>1396648
He's technically still in the game though. He's just not selectable or fightable by normal means.

It's why there are sprite animations of him with English text. He's even in the ps1 port.

You just have to use a cheat system to use him. MAME and Final Burn Alpha have cheat systems for the arcade version; gameshark and emulator equivalent for ps1.

>>1397193

>>1394760
>>1394794
>>1394901
>>1395849
>>1397193
>>1397287

I recall downloading a version of Norimario for MUGEN where his vocal samples were INCREDIBLY scratchy. Was that due to poor sound ripping, or because they had to compress the samples for disk based consoles? I believe it's the former, as I have the Saturn version and he sounds much clearer.

>>1385671
Correct answer.

>>1397350
RIP

JUGGERNAUT PU-I'M JUGGERNAUT!

WE ARE VENOM
ONE FOR JJ

>>1399382
TWO FOR JOOP LOOP

>>1393929
>WURUF

>>1397324
I remember downloading that one myself. I wasn't even aware of what the deal with that character was at the time and thought he was supposed to be some alien life form trying to immitate japanese people or something.

>>1396468

Seems like Capcom was going more for a friendly party vibe, like "LOOK AT ALL THESE DUDES!" Rather than an epic crossover war.

>not blasting I'm gonna take ya for a ride in the whip
>not understanding how great the jazz was

C'mon step it up.

>>1396468
They wanted to take you for a ride.

>>1400602
aIN'T NOBODY TO DRY YOUR ASS CALL ME CRAZY BUT I WON'T LET YOU GOOOOOO INSIDE ME

>>1396468

You mean why was it the best?

>>1396468
because it was awesome

what was so crap about it

>>1400595

You realize they had that terribly inappropriate music because the game was so rushed right?

Same with the stages making no fucking sense.

>>1396023
its sonic pouken, get it right

>>1400986
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9_GshCbq-0

>>1400958
>inappropriate
but that's mahvel, baby

why does guile sound australian in this game

>>1385462
i bought guilty gear from the psn store thinking it was the game that had morrigan in it, lel.

>>1401831
>The spiritual successor to Street Fighter II is now "that game that had Morrigan in it"
>And people get it mixed up with a completely different game from a completely different company

>>1402087
Those would be special feels indeed if I were a Darkstalkers fan.

But since I'm not...hearty lel.

>>1402293
i'm not attracted to MORRIGAN

>>1402576
I don't understand this post. I was just saying I have no special fondness for Darkstalkers.

Might have been someone else who only remembers it for Morrigan, maybe >>1401831.

>>1402087
vampire savior is the best fighting game ever made, kids won't understand but that's ok they don't deserve good fighting games

>>1396468
BEST SONG IN MVC1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiRrFH6Kg98

>>1402670
Night Warriors is good too. It's sort of the Alpha 2 of the series. I'm glad they included both in Resurrection.

>>1402751

wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMtWq2kA_nc

you're only half right since the entire track is fucking god tier

>>1403178
oh yeah HOW CAN I FORGET

>>1402087
im an SNK fan, also who are you qouting

>>1402087
I, too, know this feel.
Hell, I even bought Darkstalkers: Resurrection. Fat lotta good that did towards a sequel.

>>1403178
All of the CPS2 Capcom fighters had God tier staff rolls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_f_VGdsOKo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St8OwOYqiQc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYG3wbJgNmg

ARE YOU READY, TRUE BELIEVERS?!?!?

ARE YOU READY FOR A NEW CHALLENGE?

DON'T MISS OUT ON THE ENJOYMENT OF A LIFETIME!

>>1403794
WELCOME TO THE ADVENTURE

>>1403794
THIS IS XMEN VS STREET FIGHTER

>>1402087
>>The spiritual successor to Street Fighter II
Elaborate on that.

>Kid told me you could unlock Akuma in Children of the Atom (He called him the "Black Karate dude" since he was still nameless
>Don't believe him cause it sounded dumb
>He was right

You guys ever find an authentic hacked Champion Edition cab?

>>1405694
Authentic? I found a cabinet with Rainbow Edition in it once. The cab itself was identical to your average CE cab. It was fun but the owner ended up selling it to someone.

>>1385774
Both are my mains. love it. Those fucking punches

>>1405463
Back in 1992 when it became clear to Capcom that Street Fighter 2 had sparked an incredible boom for the fighting game genre, Capcom was thinking to themselves "Well,what do we do next?" And a Capcom USA employee suggested "Why not do a fighter based on movie monsters?" So in addition to making more updates to Street Fighter 2, they spent the next few years making Darkstalkers, which took the basic mechanics from Street Fighter 2 and expanded on them.

>>1406102
AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT DARKSTALKERS

>>1405692

>>1405429
WRONG!!!!!!

only happened with marvel vs street fighter

never with xmen vs street fighter

>>1403627
what's wrong with you leaving out the very best one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AunzQCWmiJw

>>1407363
no

>>1408209
The intro part that you replied too

>>1408216
it says it when you put in a quarter

sup

>YFW you saw this for the first time

>>1409513
Holy shit! Is that Shen Long?

>>1409895
defeat him to stand a chance

Damn shame how Capcom forgets there are other series/characters that can be used in crossovers.

"Kung-Fu Wolfman? Fuck that guy!"

>>1410783
More like "they forget they have other series that can be used for things besides crossovers".

>>1394625
Sonic Kapur!

>>1410851

>>1392679

Why is every character in JBA stanced like they have some horrific debilitating spinal injury

>>1395226
Hey man good explanation.

I forgot people dont play fighting games

>>1385504
What game is that?

>>1410983
probably war thunder or something

>>1410783
>TFW we never got the PS2 collection

>>1411080
All of the graphics are interlaced in that one anyway. Apparently hardcore fighting fags who bought it had a fit over it.

>>1411096
What does that mean?

>>1411096
I've never heard anything but good things about the PS2 version from hardcore players. It was the most accurate port prior to Ressurrection, and is still the most complete and fully-featured one.

>>1411105
They bitched about frames, timing, and what not.

>>1411080
I have that one. It's pretty nice, and only cost about 15 bucks to import, at the time.

>>1385391
Does the 2D pixelation bother anyone? I'm curious because a lot of people bitch about playing DC 2D fighters through VGA and this screenshot is very accurate to how it looks, but it never bothered me.

>>1411335
no

>>1411335
it shouldn't

>>1411335
You prompted me to actually look at the image now, and I gotta know, what the fuck is Wolverine doing in that shot? I can't figure out his posture at all.

>>1411702

>>1411723

>>1411702
Looks like he's swinging his left arm so hard that his waist has turned around 180 degrees. Yet his neck is twisted in such a way that he's still vaguely facing forward. At the time Capcom was making Darkstalkers and Children of the Atom they were really honing their animation techniques, so they did some pretty exaggerated, rubbery cartoony-type stuff.

>>1411726

>>1411728
>>1411728

>>1411726
True enough. It looks good in motion, but the frame still weirds me out.

>>1411754

That feel when MAME still doesn't have Naomi/Atomiswave support and we still need to rely on Demul.

>>1411836
MAME hates opengl, maybe we can try convincing them to make a new software engine that has opengl equivilants.

>>1392679
WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>1393929
POWAH WAVE!
BUURN KNUCKUH!
POWAH WAVE!
BURN KNUCKAH!
POWAH WAVE!
CRACK SHOE!

>>1410945
no it isn't

>>1385497
>>1385532
>>1385746
>>1385782

Even 4chan acknowledges Jin's awesomeness.

>>1411870
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meeayMIkjBQ

>>1411886

>>1412325
DIO

>>1385481

>That's why mvsc2 is shit. The first one was much better.

If you've ever played somewhat decent high level MvC1 you really wouldn't say that so be thankful you never did. MvC2 is far better for casual play than MvC1 is in this regard because so many more viable mid level team combinations.

MvC1 can pretty much almost be boiled down to "Get 2 meters, qcb, HP+HK: the game" especially with particular teams like Strider/(Gold)War Machine. There goes like 25-30% of your life in chip damage with War Destroyer+Legion double super during the duration repeatedly. And then they build up 2 meters again within 12 seconds or less and it repeats again. Not even joking about that either, meter can build extremely fast in MvC1.

>>1412904
KOKO DA

I prefer MVP if only because it has nice 2 backgrounds instead of those terrible generic 3D ones that clash with the sprites in an awful way.

>>1412943
Christ I need to pay better attention to autocorrect. I meant MvC1

>>1412960
but the swamp level and clocktower are the best stages in mvc2

>>1412987
SWING WITH ROMNEY

actually you know, i just play fighting games for fun so i don't know what that guy said about chip damage and goldenwar machine, no i don't worry about that i just worry if i can pull off a good combo

>>1413538
oh

>>1412904
DIO

HOW

>>1392713
yeah. rival schools was awesome. it's nice that it's on PSN+ in japan too.

>>1420000
QUADS

So, who would you guys recommend using in SF1? Is there an official tier list? I don't want to be unfair.

>>1425105
no

>>1425105
Birdie

He fights better when he's sick.

>>1425105
...
You can only use Ryu and Ken in SF1

>>1425146
I think that's the joke.

>>1425151
the joke, my head, etc
ok then.

"Optic Blast!" - Cyclops
"Hadouken!" - Ryu
"Burka-ka-ra!" - Wolverine

>>1425185
BERSERKER BARRAGE

>>1385451
Street Fighter III: Thrid Strike has badass motherfucking animations. JoJo's Bizzare Adventure had a nice story mode and the animations were nice.

I wish Red Earth would of had a Dreamcast port.

>>1426613
SFIII3S has the slickest animation ever. It makes the game feel so much more fluid.

>>1426637
the animation quality can even be as far as considered better than Street Fighter IV.

The subtle clothing animations made it too real.

>>1426641
and BOOTY

>>1426751

I guess this is one of those rare examples where shit's not up for debate, the animation quality is insanely good.

>>1427814
Unfortunately they spent so much on it that they didn't see any profit until a decade and several rereleases later.

>>1427980
it's like "WE JUST REALIZED TIL NOW"

>>1394794
That needs to be a 4chan banner right there

>>1426641
i really wish they hadn't gone to 3d for streetfighter. It's still not ready. They went full AO and everything looks muddy.
KOF XIII is more what i was hoping for.