/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1391075
Does anybody NOT like Dungeon Explorer? I bought it years ago just to use up the points left on my Wii VC, and it made me want to get a TG-16.

>>1391075
>All 3D Zelda games except for the Gamecube ones are shit
All two of them?

>>1391129
yep

>>1391116
Redditfags consider it the worst game on the TG-16.
>mfw seeing them say that

Atari Jaguar is one of the most under rated consoles, same with the virtual boy. both of them have some great games and excellent controllers

>>1391141
mah nigga

I don't really dislike any game series.

>>1391075
>All 3D Zelda games except for the Gamecube ones are shit

agreed. tp might be shit too, but i haven't really played it much.

>>1391185
TP has a few uncomforable parts, but it is fucking awesome on GC. Horrible on Wii.

>>1391190

It's pretty much the same fucking game except mirrored, and aiming with the bow is useable in the Wii version.

>>1391195
Opposite IMO. Aiming is awesome for me on GC.
>inb4 thread pruned for too much /v/ talk

>zelda 2 is better than zelda 1
>ys 3 is better than oath in felghana
>wario land 2 is better than wario land 3
>the sega master system is better than the NES

SMB1 > SMB2 > SMB3

>Retarded shit we don't have to explain: The Thread
Don't forget to sage.

>>1391239

if you want an explanation, just ask, and i'm sure people will be happy to give it to you. otherwise, please refrain from this kind of shitposting. thank you.

>>1391248
Not him, but it's really easy for these types of threads to get into arguments if you're not careful.

Anyway, I like Punch Out NES better than the SNES version

I don't really like Chrono Trigger. It's such a dull game and this is coming from an anon who love Dragon Quest.

It's not terrible by any means, it does have amazing moments that will always stand out in other games/in the genre. For example finding out about Lavos and fighting Magus in his castle are really damn great, but the game doesn't do a good job of making moments that should be interesting...well interesting.

I can't really explain it, but the game just falls flat to the point where it seems like it doesn't even want to try and it to me it felt like a chore to progress in the game just to get to the interesting parts.

But aside from that, visuals and audio are great.

I found Crash Team Racing and Diddy Kong Racing to be better than the Mario Kart games

Castlevania 64 is one of the best Castlevania games, and it's the most atmospheric one.

>>1391075
Goldeneye's multiplayer mode was unplayable.

sonic 2 is one of the worst games of all-time
ive played 3000+ games and its my lowest rated at 0.5/5

>>1392035
Why would you play it so much if you don't like it

JRPG is one of the worst genres. Turn based fighting is one of the dullest features in video game history.

>>1392042
i mean i played over 3000 individual video games, not sonic 2 3000 times

>>1392050
Ah, right.

Double Dragon isn't a good game
On average, modern games provide better experiences than retro games
Earthbound isn't as overrated as people make it out to be

8 bit music is horrible.

>>1391075

Master of Orion 2 is really kind of shitty. Not balanced well at all, and not just the starting bonuses. The techs really do have a hierarchy of what you'll need, and you almost always research in the same path every single game.


And the Antarens. They're less of a "cosmic menace" and more of a "ooh, loot!" The game works a lot better when they don't exist, except if you do that, than whomever finds Orion gets 4 super-techs and nobody else has a chance to catch up.

>>1391075
Guilty Gear is for weaboo tranny faggots, is extremely easy, and will never be taken seriously as a competitive fighting game.

Additionally, many scrubs who can't cut it in other, better games migrate towards it and then proceed to be insufferable cunts with a victim/superiority complex.

Fighting games are terrible and the people that play them are niggers either in body or mind.

>>1392076
What type of games do people play if they have a bigger soul?

>>1392082
Auto-correct.....

>>1392082

Custer's revenge, and similar titles.

>>1392076
People who don't like fighting games are of low intelligence, and prefer to play games which try as much as possible to be visual novels and may be completed by merely investing enough time rather than skill.

They are also obsessed with escapism and creating their own characters and worlds rather than conquering others in the real one.

>>1392091
Yeah, fans of fighters are so smart, what with having to buy a new edition of each game every year at the most or be cut off from the community.

>>1392091
Why not learn a real martial art/join the miltary rather than play games? Seems like a waste to say "I beat your ass....virtually!"

>>1392076

Fighting games, along with platformers, puzzlers, and shmups are the truest video games.

RPGs are just gussied up tabletop games.

Sports/Racing/FPS are only okay if they are window dressing for intricate gameplay. Simulations are utter shit.

>>1392094
you would say that wouldn't you, ya faggot

The N64 was a bad console. Previous third party devs either opted out of the console completely or barely made games for it, carts were outdated and limited the system terribly, the controllers were just weird, and there are only a handful of worthwhile games for it. Mind you those few games were extremely good, but there weren't many. Comparing it to every major console it was competing against at the time, as well as every other home console Nintendo had put out before and after the 64 (VB aside, if that's even a home console), it wasn't a good system.

>>1392101
Nigger, I've been boxing for 3 years.

Get in the ring instead of running your mouth.

In fact, all fighting game fans are better at mouth diareah then actual fighting. It's their form of escapism where suddenly they can take someone without getting socked in the jaw.

Justin wong is prime example.

Fuck Doom
Fuck Kirby's Dream Course
Fuck Excitebike

>>1392112
>Fuck Kirby's Dream Course
Yeah I didn't care for that one, which sucks because I love minigolf games. The other two you listed I find to be really fun.

Lttp is my least favorite retro zelda right now. It's not bad, but it's never engaged my and I've never gotten further than entering the Dark World. Still going to finish it someday, hopefully I'll enjoy it more then.

>>1391137
WHAT THE FUCK, its one of the best hucard games ever how could you not love that soundtrack. Man me and my friends would just smoke massive amounts of weed and play the most DE, then we would go outside smoke more weed walk around and talk about strats we wanted to use next time we played.

Nintendo should put out a good console so they can buy the rights to Geno and make his own game.

>I personally don't think it's worth finishing a game more than once.

Games I've already beat just feel too painfully redundant when replaying them. Due to this, most of my "favorite" games are ones I've only beaten once and have never touched again.

Also,
>I think the SNES and PS1 far surpass any other console despite never growing up with them
Far enough to the point that I don't really play any other consoles ever since playing games on those two consoles

>>1392160
I'm not even done talking about how good dungeon explorer is actually. People just think its some gauntlet clone but its so much more than that. You actually have to pick proper classes if you want to see the end of the game. My friend and I can beat the game without dying too we were doing a knome + princess run once and we decided I got all the agility drops, by the end of the game I was outrunning my own attacks we were laughing our asses off at that. Its a shame we dont live so close together anymore because I havent got to play with him in a few years and we wanted to do a high int warlock + thief run. Does anyone know how to get the bard to change into the hermit in the hermit house, my friend has done it before but we can never ever seem to pull it off.

CRT-filter fags are retarded. If I could play PS3 on a shit CRT from 98, why can't I play SNES on a modern screen?

>>1392197
So you never play a game twice and you only play two consoles, more or less. Do you fear you'll run out of options soon?

>>1392197
i hope you dont think you have the right to critique games then
you cant properly analyze something after one play/watch/listen

>Final Fantasy 8 has the worst battle system of all final fantasys

>>1392247
That's not exactly unpopular. FF8 is ridiculously unbalanced in anything but a no-junction run.

I like Symphony of the Night but think it's vastly overrated and feel like it has some pretty lazy design, namely the second half of the game simply being an inversion of the first half. People will tell me that it's not lazy in that they had to design he castle to be playable both upside down as well as right side up but really I think that's a lot less effort than making a larger castle with more unique areas to make a game of equal length. Virtually every SotN style Castelvania made after it has been better, particularly the Sorrow games.

>unpopular opinions

This is shitposter speak for "LOOKIT MAH TROLLANZ". Stop. Stop forever.

The NES games are overrated and pale in comparison to Journey to Silius and Power Blade.

Honestly the NES itself isn't that great and is only popular because of NoA's policies at the time.

The only good (retro) Zelda game is LttP, though I've only played a little of LA and haven't gotten to the Oracles yet.

Genesis had better music in general than SNES, not that SNES music was bad.

N64 is only liked because of its Nintendo/Rare games 99% of the time and aside from about 3-5 games they're not that great.

Both retro games and modern games are equally good and indie retroesque games aren't as bad as everyone says (other than indie games in general suffering from sturgeon's law).

>>1392489
*NES Mega Man games are overrated.

Tetris is shit and should go away. Tetris 2 is way better.

Mega Man 3 is one of the worst MM games.

>>1392312
if you cant handle opinions maybe the internet isnt for you
or you can just filter "opinion" =^_^=

the n64 looks wretched and will slowly be given less and less recognition over time whilst the snes and genesis will always be seen as uber art that was ahead of it's time (both systems had a HUGE library of shit however people only seem to mention the great games)

The playstation succeeded because it put out OMG EDGY blood operas like Resident Evil 1 + 2, with terrible controls, terrible dialogue, terrible gameplay, but enough blood to get edgy teens to pirate them.

Parappa the Rapper has garbage-tier rhythm-game mechanics.
The devs managed to make up for it with Vib-ribbon's though.

Zelda 1 is a poorly designed game that is impossible to finish without some external guidance/knowledge.

>>1392801
It's because retro-hipsters hold Nintendo's stuff with insane regard. It's the reason why Earthbound is so popular: they're the only ones willing to pay that much for a game that isn't that rare and because of that, the whole SNES market is fucked up.

If you check out the Genesis and Dreamcast markets, you'll find something much more logical.

>>1393203
hahahahaha

>>1393413
I think that was sort of the point of old adventure games. You were expected to surf through Nintendo power and call their hotline to complete your quest fully. I think that's why people tend to think less of many old games; the only resource you need is the internet and it makes you wonder why they put things in games that you had to look up. You need the mindset of a kid in the 80s

>>1391224
>>zelda 2 is better than zelda 1
Agreed.

>>1392039
>Turn based fighting is one of the dullest features in video game history.
I thought this until I got into roguelikes.

>>1392097

>RPGs are just gussied up tabletop games.

Oh, wow, so they are exactly what they are intended to be.

>>1393456
That sounds like the mechanics of a shitty game to me.

>>1393456
Well it's a step above DLC. A very small step.

ITT attention seekers

FF games are terrible.
Genesis didn't have shit for games.
3D Zelda games were terrible.

Toad is the best character in SMB2.

>>1391224
Oh my god, those tasted like shit.

>>1392017
...are you dumb or do you have no friends?

>>1393703

>FUCK YEAH!

>>1393745
this shouldn't have made me laugh, but it did

I vastly prefer the Mario & Luigi games as well as the Paper Mario series over SMRPG. It's still a good game, but I just feel like M&L and PM were a lot more memorable in terms of presentation and game play, while SMRPG was just a watered down FF game with a Mario skin. Although, they're all pretty on par in terms of writing. I can actually think a few funny moments from all three.

I also don't get why Geno is put on such a pedestal. He was a decent party member from what I remember, but as a character there really wasn't a whole lot there I found to be all that interesting.

The N64 wasn't good.
3D platformers are a boring chore.
The GBA had on average the best game library of any Nintendo console.
The SMS was better than the NES.
Sonic is mediocre.
FF7 was the best Final Fantasy.

X6 is the best game.

Unload them you say? Okay.

>Zelda 2 is one of the best Zelda games.
>Donkey Kong Country series was a really dull platform game out down by a ton of its peers at the time and sold due to graphics.
>Zelda felt far more grand and content rich in 2D
>NES games are often more original and interesting then their SNES sequels
>Sonic 2 was more fun than 3 even though 3 had more exploration (3 was also good)
>Tekken 1 and 2 were shitty slow fighting games that were way over hyped.
>The N64 was fairly mediocre outside of party games
>Nintendo have made many of the same mistakes as their competitors and get forgiven by nostalgia that was earned as much by Capcom and Konami as Nintendo itself.

I don't like 2D Zelda games at all. I think Castlevania: Circle of the Moon is the best Castlevania game. I don't like turn based combat, and I only liked Pokemon because of nostalgia. I like the NES more than the SNES. I hate every PS1/PS2 controller design.

Earthbound was not fun

>>1392094
>why do you play games if you can do stuff in real life

>>1393842
I don't know why Geno is so popular. I found Mallow and even Booster far more interesting.

>>1393901
>Nintendo have made many of the same mistakes as their competitors and get forgiven by nostalgia that was earned as much by Capcom and Konami as Nintendo itself.

I think nostalgia is the only reason Capcom and Konami still exist.

Darkstalkers 2 is better than Darkstalkers 3.

>>1393959
That's not an unpopular opinion.

The following people are definitely wrong and I'd fite them irl
>>1391141
>>1392017
>>1392059
>>1393413
Not too bad for such a big thread. Most/the rest of you, I can accept where a decent gamer might feel the way you feel.

These two guys are just aggressively stating their obviously subjective opinions.
>>1392076
>>1392039
You shouldn't pile hate on your least favorite genres. All genres are valid if they have serious players.

That Geno shit, I assume is just trolling.

gamecube starfox games are the best anyone who says otherwise is fucking autistic.

Chrono Cross >>> Chrono Trigger

/v/ is basically just /r/gaming. All the reddit vs. 4chan rivalry shit is just posturing; most people who come here and trash reddit are redditors themselves, and they shit post here and there equally

>>1394093
In agreement

>>1394115
I can attest that this is the only board on 4chan I visit; we fucking hate you guys on /420/, and we hate reddit even more. With all due respect of course.

-The original Nights: Into dreams for the Sega Saturn is the most imaginatively original game I've ever played. And quite fun.

-Sonic 3D blast was better than the mediocre game most people made it out to be. The Saturn version had an excellent soundtrack and beautiful graphics. The game play encouraged you to explore the areas and was fun to do so. Granted Sonic didn't move very fast, but it was still a fun play.

-Until Grand Turismo for the PS came out, Sega had the best racing games. The last great Sega Racing game I played was Sega GT online for the Xbox.

-Resident Evil 5 was a decent game, but not anywhere near as good as 4. The series seems to have taken a downturn when they got away from encouraging exploration and problem solving in favor of repetitive action gameplay.

-Crazy Taxi just isn't the same without the Offspring soundtrack.

-The Shutokou/Kaidou/Tokyo Xtreme Racer series of Genki racing games were hands-down the best of the best of the street racing sub-genera. Now that Genki Racing Project is no more racing games just aren't as good and imaginative as they used to be. (although I did like Forza Horizon; although it could be a big ridiculous as times, a la: "Yo, I'm the fastest racer, you can never be at my my level." WubWubWub)

-NeoGeo prices are ungodly stupid expensive.

-Shenmue and Grand Theft Auto have become very similar series as GTA has progressed since GTA 3. That being said, I still prefer Shenmue over it. Shenmue is closer to a masterpiece of it's time whereas GTA is too sensationalist (often to the point of being dehumanizing) to ever be considered a true contemporary, so I guess they may still be too far apart to compare. The only downside I can give Shenmue other than a lack of vehicular use is the quick time events can be a bit of a pain in the ass, especially when it catches you off guard.

-NEC threw in the towel way too early. Granted having their last console nearly dedicated to Eroge didn't help much.

>>1394115
omg le epic post one million upboats!

that shit doesn't go on here if a post has a ton of thumbs up its probably shit, fuck reddit

-Master System needed a pause button on the controller.

-Nintendo's contractual hoarding of third-party developers is the only reason Master System Failed.

-The Hornet from Daytona USA should have been a hidden unlockable car in the Sega GT series of games, just with simulated stock car handling and listed as a "Chevy Lumina", they also should have had courses from Daytona USA, Virtua Racing, and Scud Race.

-Most Saturn games are far too short. Although that probably has more to do with limited storage space on a CD-ROM than anything else.

-3DO/PSX/Saturn/SegaCD Road Rash was best Road Rash

-Although I like games that encourage exploration, I never really cared for Myst.

- Although Sega Saturn was one of the most underrated consoles ever while in production, now it seems to be becoming a bit over rated as it nears its 20's.

-The original Xbox had some pretty good gems for it. It'll be interesting to see how perception of the retro game community becomes of it as it ages. I will say though, that the things seem to become senile with age and remaining units may not have very many years ahead of them.

-RE Code:Veronica is my favorite of the series.

-Blue Stinger wasn't as shitty of a game as most people made it out to be. I actually enjoyed playing it. Not bad for a DC launch title.

-XBox 360 D-pad sucks for playing old 2D games.

-Nintendo's decision to forgo Sony's CD add-on for the Super Famicom is the absolute worst one they've ever made. Pissing off Sony in that manner is ultimately what's going to kill their console business. Sega was also foolish not to partner with them after Nintendo's dissing. If they had, there'd probably still be consoles with the Sega name on them.

-Sega should have partnered more with Microsoft than they had during DC era.

-I absolutely love the 32X, but that doesn't change the fact the loveable little mushroom wasn't a redundant piece of hardware.

-Driving Emotion Type S is an unplayable turd of a driving game.

>>1392017
I concur. Of course, I felt this way due to having been spoiled on PC FPS multi.

>>1394271
Is this a guessing game? Which one of these is the unpopular opinion?

Virtua Fighter for the 32X was more fun than the Saturn version.

>>1393674
>Genesis doesn't have shit for games
That's not an opinion. You're just wrong.
Retard.

>>1392057
Not that I dislike Earthbound, but it does feel a bit like the illegitimate butt baby of Spy vs Spy and Panic.

>>1394434
I just spewed some personal opinions off the top of my head, I don't necessarily know which ones may or may not be popular, they're just my random video game opinions.

>>1394271
>NeoGeo prices are ungodly stupid expensive

I'm pretty sure everyone, including collectors, would agree with you on this.

The Virtual Boy is a magnificent piece of hardware with a solid as hell library (counting imports).

I hate the entire mario brothers franchise. The first couple of games was cool, and the first kart racing, and mario rpg were fun. After that its just the same re hashed game every FUCKING YEAR. Call of duty puts out a new game every year and people complain about it. Mario releases a new 4 games every year and people shit their pants. Take off the nostalgia goggles and realize you have been buying the same fucking game every every year for 30 years now.

>>1394271
The PC-FX will always be my guilty pleasure.

Final Fantasy VII is awful. It's a rehash of FFVI's plot and gameplay mechanics except slower, grindier, uglier, and emotionally cold.

Pokemon is beyond shit-tier. It combines everything I hate in JRPGs into one revolting package: cutesy animu style, grinding, collecting, silent protagonists, TEH POWAR OF FRUNDSHIRP W/ MAH MAKE-BELIEVE AMINALS, and stats. Stats, stats, stats and elements and secret item/evolution combinations and FUCK ALL OF THIS SHIT. Has anyone ever made a Pokemon-like game in an action RPG style? I could see a pet monster game that uses Secret of Mana-style gameplay being awesome as long as it has some fucking character and requires some skills.

Fighting games aren't fun anymore because they cater almost exclusively to the most obsessive and competitive fans who are willing to master arcane mechanics. The Smash Brothers series is the best thing to happen to the genre ever since it's fun, accessible, and can be enjoyable for entry-level fans and competitive fans.

>>1392781
You're right. Even Inafune agrees with you. And so do I.

>>1392102
This. And even the good games look like complete ass. I know graphics aren't everything, but Jesus Fucking Christ, everything the N64 put onto screen looked like garbage.

>>1395572
Have you tried the mystery dungeon pokemon games? They don't feel anything like the regular ones do.

just for the sake of argument/discussion I fucking hate SSB series. The concept is fun, and the controls are good. Just the camera pisses me off to no end. It zooms in and out all the time and when you have 3 other guys playing couch co-op style that shit becomes unplayable. The camera don't know if it should pan in or zoom out.

Sure is /v/ in here

>>1395501
>Hate
>Mario
GTFO and never return. cunt

I dislike the RPG genre in general. I find it to be utterly boring as they usually come with terrible gameplay mechanics. I can't handle games with poor gameplay. For the story aspect, I'd much rather read a book or watch a movie or a television show. There isn't a single core RPG game I've ever liked. I didn't even like Deus Ex and I'll never understand why people think it's a classic with its boring, clunky gameplay and drab looking world. Furthermore I can rarely relate with pixelated characters. The only RPGs I've ever enjoyed are Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, both of which I loved, but those are action RPGs and are clearly gameplay focused.

On top of that, 99% of the time I don't play video games for story and feel that story detract games from their utmost potential. Usually if I'm not 'playing' a game, I'm not enjoying it. I expect to be pushing buttons and interacting, not watching cut scenes and sitting there waiting for them to be over. This is one of the reasons I prefer retro games. The only two games where the story actually suckered me in were Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening and Ocarina of Time... however that was more being enchanted and immersed in the world which the story made more tangible. The story in these games served as a backdrop and never really got in the way of the actual playing. I also enjoyed God of War's story as well come to think of it, but that was just an action-fest, destroy everything deal which I like and I loved Kratos' drama (shame about the unskippable cutscenes though). GTA V and Vice City were fun, too, actually, but as you can see the story in all of these are all secondary to the games. Oh yeah, Max Payne is another exception.

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>>1395654 [continued]
I don't like 'cinematic' games either although I guess many people here would agree with me on that. I see the original Metal Gear Solid as one of the most cancerous video games ever made for shifting the focus to story and cinematics rather than gameplay. I see MGS as the very beginning of the shift to cinematic games and one of the main reasons why video games are what they're like today. The game seemed to have as much exposition (or even more) as it did gameplay and I find that insulting. Though I don't hate MGS, I still think it's a cancerous game and a point in the industry where things started to change for the worse. It's funny because apparently MGS is a 'love it or hate it' series, but I stand in the middle and think that it's plain 'okay' because I enjoy its gameplay but I generally find its hole filled, anime inspired plot to be pretty damn retarded. I particularly can't stand the cheesy moments that the series is known for. Now if MGS minimised the story exposition (which wouldn't be hard to do really, Kojimi is a terrible writer and in desperate need of an editor) and had about five more hours of pure gameplay, then I would adore the game.

>>1395654
>*Furthermore I CAN'T rarely relate with pixelated characters

>>1392059

>>1392112
>Fuck Doom
You are absolutely, 100% cor- an awful person, how can you seriously not like Doom? What's wrong with you?

>>1395679
If it meant to say that "I usually can't emotionally relate to pixelated characters very much", the "correction" gave it the opposite meaning. lrn2english, senpai

>>1396365
Yeah I fucked that up. Was half asleep when I typed it out/corrected it.

>mfw Trigger vs. Cross debates
They were both fun games, the problem is the feel is drastically different between both of them.

Also FFVI GBA>SNES>iOS>PS1

phantasy star 4, ff6,chronotrigger,ff7, and xenogears are the pinnacle of jrpgs, never to be reached again.

3d zelda blows nuts

dragon quests are all boring

I like Final Fantasy 5-6 Anthology on the PS1. I don't feel it's load times are really all that painful.

Sonic 3 Complete ia better than any port Sega will ever make of S3&K, even though it would be in HD.

Deadly Towers for NES is actually a good game. It's super big, very tough, but has everything you want in a Demon Souls like experience.

>>1396674
>Dq is boring

>Favorite series is clone fantasy

Every time lol

>>1392071
>allofmyboners.jpg
I don't even care that he's a commie

Only these come to mind

>Mario and Mega Man games, among few others, are the only NES games that can be stomached for anyone who didn't grow up in 3rd Gen
>Goldeneye is overrated as fuck, though its spiritual successors are good
>Super Metroid feels loose as fuck to control and Zero Mission on the GBA is better
>Some (but not all) of the SNES to GBA ports of Mario games were better than the originals or their All-Stars port they were largely based on
>Mega Man X1 is good, but not that good

>>1391224
I thought many on here and /v/ consider WL2 the better game, not-retro WL4 aside.

>>1397116
>NES game
>"demon souls like experience"
why are you still doing this

>>1395660

I agree on Metal Gear Solid being the father of one of the biggest problems in modern videogames, games that want to be movies, devs who want to be movie directors (and reviewers who want to be movie critics)

I believe Playstation was so successful because they found out that is what the average person wanted. Games to be like movies, cutscenes. Resident Evil, Final Fantasy VII, Metal Gear.

>>1397142
He plays for your team too.

>>1397234
Yeah, I completely agree with you.

>>1395594
>Mystery Dungeon
Babby's First Roguelike. Garbage.

>>1397437
>babys first
Still a fun little dungeon crawler ya elitist cunt.

>>1391075
PVM monitors are stupid.

I don't like Pokemon Snap. I think the gameplay is outdated and I don't understand why everyone says that it's underrated even though EVERYONE seems to sing it praise.

>CS 1.6 hasn't held up very well
>Mega Man 3 is alright, Mega Man 4-6 were breddy good, and so were 9 and 10
>Star Wars Pod Racing on N64 is shit. Mac version for life.
>Games ought to be fun

OP is a faggot.

Oh wait that is a popular one.

There is nothing on PlayStation that doesn't look and play better on other platforms. Even 2D games like Metal Slug and Mega Man 8 play better on Sega Saturn.

Zelda II is overrated and there are other games that handle the combat system better so it's a little more varied aside from mashing buttons and choosing spells.

I don't like the controls of Perfect Dark or Goldeneye 007, but maybe that's because I only played FPSs with a keyboard and mouse (or a trackball for Wolfenstein and Doom).

Konami and/or Kojima had no valid reason to half-ass the marketing of Snatcher and even less of a reason not to release Policenauts outside of Japan.

As long as I have Policenauts on the mind, that was fucking stupid to fan translate the PSX port instead of the Sega Saturn port, which supported the lightgun you use with Virtua Cop and Die Hard Arcade.

>>1398425
Who didn't like 9-10?

>>1398530
I've seen people shit on them for various reasons, the general consensus seems to be that they weren't as good as the earlier games. I can agree with that for 10, but 9 was just as good if not superior in a lot of ways to the originals, especially 3, which gets way more praise than it deserves imo.

>>1398547
I haven't played 10, but 9 is easily up there with the better classics. All the levels are cunningly designed and the music is great. I agree with you on 4 at least, being great, too. Though that might just be the fact that I played the most of it back in the day.

I don't really like Link to the Past or any top-down Zeldas much or Mario sidescrollers.

>>1398621

You're either lying, or fucking crazy.

>>1391141
Name me one great exclusive game for Atari Jaguar.

>>1393842
Super Mario RPG was the basis for Paper Mario and Mario&Luigi. But I'll agree that PM and M&L are superior, expecially since SM RPG hasn't aged well.

Alundra is an average, incredibly overrated Zelda-like game which is mainly praised from Sonyfags and people who have never played any other Zelda except from the two ones for NES.

Mega Man is more fun when it's easy. That's why MM2 is the best one.

Banjo tooie is the best collectathon of all time

Bubsie 3D is enjoyable in a way

Earthworm Jim 2 is my one of my favorite platformers, aside from the classic sonics

Castlevania 2 (properly translated) > Castlevania 1

>>1393938
I haven't played so much this game but I found Mallow really forgetable. While I'm not crazy about Geno he's kinda interesting. As about Bowser he has a bigger impact in Bowser's Inside Story (aka Bowser And His Bitches).

>Earthworm Jim 2 is my one of my favorite platformers
How's that an unpopular opinion?

>Super Metroid feels loose as fuck to control and Zero Mission on the GBA is better
Finally! Another person who can understands me.

>>1398926

Not him but SM with ZM physics would be elder god tier.

>>1394271
Even when I first played Gran Turismo I found it really boring with the graphics and the soundtrack being its only good points. Sega's retro 3D racings from the other hand...I love them even today.

>>1398929
I agree. The atmosphere of SM is kickass even today. Such a shame that the fun is ruined due to the controls and the lack of viewing the maps from other areas.

All the Mega Man games (1-10) are good and worth playing. None is a masterpiece. None is much better than the rest.

>>1398920
Most people argue that Earthworm Jim 2 is not one of that guy's favorite platformers

I can't stand the phrase "overrated". It reeks of self-importance. You're not privy to some secret about your pet "overrated" game that makes it objectively bad and everyone who likes it wrong, you jackoff. You can dislike good things, it's okay. Just say it.

>>1398920
Change that to
>earthworm Jim 2 is one of the greatest platformers ever

>>1398993
Nope, we dislike mediocre/awful games that some people think they are awesome while at the same time they make fun of games which are really awesome.

>>1399051
>Nope, we dislike mediocre/awful games that some people think they are awesome
>we

stop that shit

>>1398993
Final Fantasy 7 exists though, so you're just bitching at the wind pretty much. sorry bro

>>1392239
Not the one you're responding to, but games take a long time when it's not a priority. At my rate of play, those two consoles' JRPG libraries would keep me occupied for a decade at least—and that's only counting first play-throughs. (New Game Plus?! You kiddin' me?)

My favorite Final Fantasy is and always will be VIII

The N64 was a good console with amazing 3D graphics for its day, as excellently shown in early titles such as Wave Race, Pilotwings 64, and Mario 64 (ever played with the stunning Mario face demo?). While the texture maps don't exhibit the ultrafine, photorealistic sharpness of the latest Valve title, the console's graphics held up easily against early PS2 titles and have since aged gracefully, with poignant and warmly remembered features like walls encircling the level, textured to look like forestry. While the naysayers will readily concede that there were a few good titles for the console, in fact it had scores of great games with technically advanced, at some times revolutionary, design aspects: the stunt mode of San Francisco Rush, where the object is to propel your vehicle as high into the air as possible and then land tires-first; the enemies in Turok 2, who actually have good AI, react to injuries specifically oriented to the site of the injury, and may have polygonal arrows sticking out of them if you happen to have gotten a hit; generally, 4-person multiplayer on a shitload of titles, no extension device needed; and realistic lens flare (several titles). The high-quality graphics enabled cut-scenes on the fly, making use of in-game resources, while other consoles' low resources forced developers to pre-render the sequences on a more powerful computer (e.g., the N64), then lay a massive video file into the media. (Give developers the virtually limitless capacity of a CD-ROM, and suddenly they are developing single games spanning three or four discs due to FMVs—go figure). Finally, the controller design was before its day, as the analog stick + C-pad combo of Turok (later, Goldeneye's 1.2; Turok 2) was the first console approximation of the WASD/mouse control style of FPS games). Goldeneye actually lets you use the analog sticks of two controllers to control a single character. Go stick that into your pipe and smoke it.

>>1399113
>the console's graphics held up easily against early PS2 titles

>>1393842
people like his theme, i think.

i used Bowser and Mallow or Princess.

>>1398512
>I don't like the controls of Perfect Dark or Goldeneye 007
Try this: http://goldeneye.neocities.org/

>>1395501
The first 4 mario games on the nes/famicom are great. SMW was great, too. After that, SM64 was good but nothing special and the new super mario bros seres is in fact a rehash. Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 brought Mario back to his original splendor. Oh, and all mario RPGs are awesome as well.

What a retarded thread.

All you guys do is bait with obviously shitty opinions.
Don't you have something better to do, like, talk about games you like?

>>1399428
Its more like we discuss opinions and views that otherwise would start autism wars. We are all agreeing that these are opinions that most of the world would consider shitty.

>>1392252
My nigga. AoS is the best metroidvania. SoTN is good in it's own way but it was too damn easy with some pretty boring areas, that seemed really fucking small, such as the library. They'd have tiny areas where you'd reach a dead end, have to go find some relic like the bat transformation somewhere else and backtrack to said tiny area to finish what's left of it (not much)

People on here often say that SoTN killed the series and that all the games it spawned were awful but AoS is damn greaf. DoS and even HoD were pretty alright too.

>>1393423
But if you look at the Saturn market...

>every PAL or NTSC-U game £60 - £120
>every NTSC-J copy £5 - £20

I never got that.

Action platformers are not fun games.

>>1399476
Nip kids are much more careful with their possessions whereas USA and EU kids destroyed all their boxes and cartridges.

Doom was shit; it wasn't until Unreal Tournament that the FPS genre started coming into its own.

Zelda made the jump to 3D poorly. While OoT was a fun game, it hasn't aged nearly as well as, say, Link's Awakening.

Speaking of Zelda, the art direction in Wind Waker sucks, and "toon" Link is a cancer.

No 3D Mario game has ever been good.

LCD is in every way superior to CRT.

>>1399494
>LCD is in every way superior to CRT.
But that's just factually not true. There's no "opinion" here, you're just baiting. No LCD will ever have more than a single native resolution.

THIS WHOLE THREAD

>>1399113
>the console's graphics held up easily against early PS2 titles and have since aged gracefully

Everything else you're saying might be right, but I gotta call this out. Most n64 games use primitive modeling techniques that don't have to do with the console limitations; Mario's limbs are all made of separate spheres, to name an example. 3D modeling in the context of games was a new thing, and many artists struggled to make things look good. Later n64 titles got better though, like Conker and Banjo.


The Nintendo DS had around the same limitations as the n64 did. (at least graphically)
The Mario 64 remake still managed to look better than the original, and It's because their modeling technique improved since 1996.

I wrote this up when I was tired, but I hope I got my point across. I have no other problems with the rest of your post, just that sentence

>>1399494
Have you played Galaxy 2?

>>1399113
I wish I could like the N64, I really do, but beyond the really obvious titles (Zeldas, Banjo, Pokemons, Mario Kart, etc) there wasn't a whole lot on the system that's worth playing, imo. Not that the PS1 made the jump to 3D any better, both consoles graphics objectively look atrocious, but the PS1 had a handful of titles that kept the 2D perspective, or only used the new capabilities sparingly, while Nintendo went head-first into 3D and never looked back. There's also the issue of the controller, while I agree that the analog stick was a major advancement, (of course it's just an evolution of the joystick on arcade machines/Atari controllers, and some NES controllers had them, but I'll ignore that for now) but it simply isn't functional. It isn't designed for human hands, and there was absolutely no good reason to have the controller in that orientation. The Saturn 3D controller did it right releasing the same year as the N64. The fact is I have about a dozen N64 games, and that's probably all I'll ever have, because it's a console steeped heavily in nostalgia. If an up-and-coming company had released the system with the exact same quality of games, but without the Nintendo name on it, it would be considered a silly little relic, like the 3DO or Atari Jaguar.

>>1392247
I'll top that with
> Final fantasy VIII is one of the worst FF games and a mediocre RPG

>>1393870
>FF7 was the best Final Fantasy
How is this unpopular? Most people say 7 or 9

>>1398672
>Zelda is an incredibly overrated game series which is mainly praised by Nintendrones and people who have never played Alundra
Fix'd

Played LttP, Minish Cap, Phantom Hourglass and Alundra is still king imo.