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Did not expect such a heavy game.

Now it's hands-down one of my favorites.

>>1387168

>>1387168

>>1387226
underage please go you cant spam moves to win, I know you're just parroting the "downward thrust to win opinion" but that shit is so far off base. I'd love to see you take on one of them red cocksuckers with the axes with only downward thrust

>>1387242
This is the kind of response I expected.

I love how this game is just above any and all criticism despite being quite underwhelming for a Zelda game.

>>1387246
Nobody even mentioned Ocarina of Time, bro.

>>1387246

Zelda 2 has a weird history.

First it was
>Wow, this game is shit!
Then it was
>Hey guys, this game is actually pretty good!
Then it was
>GOTYAY BEST GAME OF ALL TIME
Now it's
>Nah, but seriously, this game is okay at best

It's like the Zelda cycle all contained within one game.

>>1387273
Hardly anyone said it was shit when it came out. You're full of shit.

>>1387325
I seriously wonder if the general consensus of DKC3 would be more positive if it was DK instead of Kiddie.

>>1387246
>underwhelming for a Zelda game

okay kid I see you have never stepped foot in the great palace.

Why is everyone having a pissing contest over Zelda 2 today?

>>1387340

Because hipsters think it's the greatest game ever when it's really just a pretty standard ARPG.

>>1387343
Tell me more about all the NES ARPGs that have zelda 2's combat.

Just because you can't into the game doesn't make it 'hipster'.

>>1387348

It's sidescrolling instead of a top-down view.

Wow, so unique and innovative.

No other NES game had sidescrolling combat.

>>1387246
>despite being quite underwhelming for a Zelda game.

Zelda fans are scum and their opinions on games are not taken seriously.

You know what games are underwelming? Most Zelda games. Z2 is like a breath of fresh air.

>>1387325

Someone romhack out the damn baby. Add DK.

>>1387343
As opposed to fanboys thinking it's shit because it wasn't a Zelda 1 map pack?

I firmly believe that Zelda 2 is a much better game than the original. Spell casting and dungeon crawling are much more intense than the original, and you don't need a fucking guide the whole way through, nor do you need to burn every fucking bush in the overworld to find secrets. The designers created a much more intuitive experience.

Can someone explain why Zelda 2 is always being compared to Dark Souls? Like, I've played both and I really don't get it.

>>1387365
That was the kneejerk reaction, and most have played it now and learned that it wasn't shit.

But saying it's the greatest game ever to compensate for the negative criticisms isn't much better.

>>1387367
You don't need a guide at all for the original. Sure, you'll probably miss a lot of the secrets since you're not given any clues, but it's totally possible to beat the game with just the map they give you.

They certainly improved that in Zelda 2 and later games though.

>>1387378

Zelda 2 is somewhat difficult.

That's about it.

>>1387378
any game that's relatively hard compared to modern games and has you lose progress when you die=dark souls now.

I just started playing DeS and it's enjoyable, but "make it more like Dark Souls" is still one of the most annoying and meaningless requests along with "what if platinum made it?".

>>1387376
>But saying it's the greatest game ever

No one is saying this.

>>1387387

In an industry where games that focus on mastering a combat system, and aren't afraid to say "You suck, get better", has become increasingly rare, those requests make sense.

People want to be challenged, want to get good at something, and feel that satisfaction when they beat a really tough enemy.

Right now, Platinum and From seem like the only developers that do that and are good at it.

>>1387343
>it's really just a pretty standard ARPG

You don't really have the right mindset. You have to keep in mind that there was no "standard ARPG" back then. You're looking at a late '80s game with mid 2010s eyes.

>>1387359
Who said I'm a Zelda fan? I haven't played any of the newer games. Zelda 2 requires a guide to get through unless you're take pride in the masochism of trial and error gameplay.

It's not terrible, but it's not particularly good or memorable. Zelda 2's fandom, though, might be even worse than the entire Zelda fandom just because this game is some kind of sacred cow to them. Even the best games aren't above criticism.

>>1387390
No one may be specifically saying this, but any criticism of the repetitive combat system is summarily dismissed as childish whining.

No one cares who says it's the greatest game of all time, but it should be okay to criticize this game without everyone getting their panties in a twist.

>>1387495

One of the more pleasant surprises I came across.
Didn't know what to expect going in. At first I wasn't impressed. I was all alone, went outside some town, fought some giant lizard, went back up to heal... after I figured out how to play, I was trapped in this adventure of magic and machine guns.

Why are some of the Zelda II fans on here so defensive?

>>1387498
OOT fans:
>Hey, so I like this game, but the Water Temple is pretty annoying, especially how switching boots requires going to the pause menu every time.
>I guess that makes sense, but I disagree. It's my favorite temple because of all the puzzles.

Zelda 2 fans:
>I like the intuitive combat controls, but it can get pretty repetitive, especially with having to select spells from the menu all the time
>underage please go you cant spam moves to win git gud faggot you probably never even played this game

>>1387508
More like
OOT
>fucking overrated shit you faggots only like this because of nostalgia

Z2
>it's shit because

>>1387505
Because it's a mediocre action RPG with enemy spam in lieu of clever dungeon design.

If it really was an indisputably good game like the first Zelda or the 16-bit one, every criticism of it wouldn't be barraged with insults and strawmen like at >>1387512

Even for a kid's game, it wasn't very good.

>>1387508
>OoT fans
>not the most defensive bunch because OMG GREATEST ZELDER NO FLAWS

>Hey, so I like this game, but the Water Temple is pretty annoying, especially how switching boots requires going to the pause menu every time.
>omg fucking meme spewing idiot nobody hated the water temple thats just a joke people won't stop making git gud

>>1387514
Hey, I'm just summing up most of the arguments I've seen on this board, I've never even played Z2.

>>1387512

>List flaws the game has
>Pretend they don't exist

I'm actually convinced most Zelda II fans haven't even played the game.

>>1387168
Not mine, but this is very accurate.

>>1387516
>>omg fucking meme spewing idiot nobody hated the water temple thats just a joke people won't stop making git gud
That complaint's never gotten that response on /vr/.

On the other hand, the response to the complaint about repetitive combat and spells in Zelda 2 is from actual responses in this thread. That wasn't even a strawman response.

>>1387527
>That complaint's never gotten that response on /vr/.
pffffahaha

>>1387508
>especially with having to select spells from the menu all the time

That's good though. How else would you choose spells fag lord?

>>1387531
What if combat was a little more complex than using the sword, key items, and spells?

>>1387529
Let's get links to the archive, then, since you're so sure it's gotten responses like that. I've already got the examples of defensive fandom in this thread alone.

>>1387497
because those claims are unfounded and wrong.

seriously stop being such a fucking casual

>>1387534
>because those claims are unfounded and wrong.
Like I said, it should be okay to criticize games without people getting all flustered.

>>1387495
>Zelda 2 requires a guide to get through unless you're take pride in the masochism of trial and error gameplay.

You're either really stupid or you didn't play Zelda 2.

I think it's both.

>>1387521
because the flaws are always just some stupid bullshit with absolutely no grounds. "WAHHH the combat is repetative even though all enemies have different behaviour and you get a bunch of different moves to do with your sword" Seriously its not repetative thats just what the haters say because they have no real arguments to back up their hateboners. The dungeons aren't bad because of enemy spawn patterns either the only things that get spammed are the floating heads and other small shit. Anything worth XP isn't spammed at you. Nobody ever said zelda 2 was the greatest game ever its just your complaints have nothing to back them up. You just make up shit that doesnt even happen to try and justify your hatred.

>>1387545
>Like I said, it should be okay to criticize games without people getting all flustered.

>Be wrong
>People tell you you're wrong

How is this flustered?

>>1387553
>Subjective
>wrong

>>>/v/

>>1387545
calling a combat system repetative that has much more depth and most of the NES library is just wrong though. You actually have to plan your attacks and have a strategy to get through parts, its the opposite of repetative you can just brute force your way through the game like the trash you think is oh so much better. Zelda 2 isnt beyond criticism its just 99% of the complaints on here are just casuals being casual.

>>1387548
>You're either really stupid or you didn't play Zelda 2.
I don't know what game you played, but Zelda 2 requires a guide for the first time through.

>inb4 hurr durr I knew everything from the start

>>1387556
>The combat system is repetitive

That's an objective statement moron.

>>1387563
>but Zelda 2 requires a guide for the first time through.

Why?

What in the game can't you find without a guide?

>>1387564
It's an opinion, just as saying whether or not the game is good is an opinion.

>>1387567
But it clearly has no flaws, and if you find any, it's just because you suck at everything.

>>1387551

I don't hate the game. No one here has said they hated it.

But it's not fucking perfect, and it does have flaws. Ignoring them doesn't magically make the game better.

>>1387567
>and it does have flaws

It does. Repetitive combat is not one of them.

>>1387569
Dungeon maps. The maze. Item locations.

>>1387570
>>1387551

>It's not the best game
>It has no flaws

Yeah, okay

>people on /vr/ who hate on Zelda 2 don't know jack about it
>people on /vr/ who defend Zelda 2 don't know jack about it either
>tfw you'll never have an in-depth discussion on /vr/ about any aspect of Zelda 2

I wish I was born a DOOM or Super Metroid fan instead.

>>1387516
>omg fucking meme spewing idiot
Nobody reacts like that though

>>1387558
How does it matter how much depth it has? It's still repetitive to mind-numbing levels.

>Zelda 2 isnt beyond criticism its just 99% of the complaints on here are just casuals being casual.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/hair-splitting

>>1387536
>Let's get links
http://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1292658
http://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1204651
http://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/666889
http://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/642509
http://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/492161
http://archive.foolz.us/vr/thread/1384152

>>1387573
>Dungeon maps. The maze. Item locations.

You don't need a guide for a single one of those things.

>>1387579
>hurr durr I knew everything from the start
Called it.

>>1387574
The first one was sarcasm, in case you didn't read what was above it.

>>1387578
You spent five minutes filing through threads on Foolz, missing the point about how defensive Zelda II's fandom is just from the responses in this thread. You're so smart for finding stupidity in a 4chan archive.

>>1387583

I'm still waiting for a group of hipsters to pop up and say Simon's Quest is actually the best Castlevania and was way ahead of it's time.

>>1387584
Who the fuck are you quoting? What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you so bad at games you NEED maps of dungeons? Holy fuck. Do you know how many people DIDN'T have maps for dungeons for any of the Zelda games and still beat them?

The dungeons in Zelda 2 aren't even overly complex like some later dungeons in the series, with the exception of the Great Palace and if that's the case you just try different ways each time until you have the path to Thunderbird down.

>>1387498
saying git gud just makes you sound like a /v/tard

besides why would I desire to get good at such an overwhelmingly meh game? there's fucktons of better ones out there

>>1387591
>OoT baby gets defensive
>guy calls him out on it
>N-no you're defensive OoT is flawless only a LOSER would go and find proof to back up his claims!

You just got Ocarina of TOLD.

>>1387590
>implying it wasn't

Item shops - check
Multiple paths - check
Do stuff in (almost) any order - check
Unlimited lives/continues - check
Static bonuses from equipped items - check
Level system - check

It was an omen of what was to come Anon. The prophetic foretelling of the Metroidvania series.

At least zelda 2 doesn't run at 15 fps.

>>1387591
>Zelda 2 fandom
>Defensive

Gee I wonder why? You dont think its from all the unnesscary hate it gets? Nobody is saying its the best game ever the way you fags talk about it makes it seem like shovelware, its a good solid NES action RPG its not boring and repetative, its just a well made game in the same league as metroid and kid icarus.

>>1387553
>seriously stop being such a fucking casual
I would say he sounds pretty bootyblasted

>>1387591

>>1387226 calls (the combat system, assumedly) spam
>>1387242 explains why he thinks it's not
>>1387246 goes into meta-whining mode about how people disagreeing with him means he's not allowed to have opinions.

Just as a thought exercise I'll assume you're the same person who's been posting throughout the thread. If having people disagree with you is defensiveness, why did you even post to begin with? Why come to this board and post in a thread about video games at all?

>>1387558
>you only really do one thing in the game but you can do it a lot of different ways!

>>1387340

Holy fuck this

It's like some retard got here fresh from legendofzelda.com or some shit

>>1387613
>you only really do one thing in the game but you can do it a lot of different ways!

I think you just described a lot of awesome games idiot.

>>1387325
what about Kiddie does everyone hate?
i think i liked 3 a little more than 2, but maybe thats cause 2 is back breaking hard.

>>1387604

It fucking baffles me how "Metroidvania" became a thing.

Castlevania has fuck all in common with Metroid.

>>1387604
>Item shops - check
>Multiple paths - check
>Do stuff in (almost) any order - check
>Unlimited lives/continues - check
>Static bonuses from equipped items - check
>Level system - check
I fail to see how any of these enhances the gameplay in the slightest or tweaks the formula for the better, in fact a lot of this shit is what ruined the game for most. And metroidvanias are droll button mashers devoid of any thoughtful level design and challenge, the rpg elements especially make those kinds of games retardedly easy, like to the point it's insulting to me.

>>1387617
I didn't particularly hate kiddie, I thought his bouncing on water schtick was rad when I first played it. Overall I just liked the game a lot less than 2. Fuck the stupid gimmick levels.Fuck the elephant especially.

>>1387618
It's from comparing SotN and Super Metroid more than Castlevania in general.

>>1387615
Except I'm only making reference to a complaint about zelda 2, not "a lot of awesome games". I'm talking about a single game here, try and stay focused timmy, time for your adderall

>>1387618
and people use the term "metroidvania" to describe EVERY ADVENTURE PLATFORMER. Someone called fucking uforia a metroidvania yesterday, what a fucking mongoloid.

>>1387613
Huh, by that criteria most games are repetitive.

My biggest childhood disappointment.

>>1387617
I don't really have strong feeling one way or the other about Kiddie, but I felt like 3 not having DK or Diddy wasn't right. I know it's kind of a dumb thing, but it did bother me back then. The game is alright, though.

>>1387631
>ADVENTURE PLATFORMER
hahahaha, I can't believe people pushing this

>>1387609
>You dont think its from all the unnesscary hate it gets?
Are you kidding? No one is allowed to criticize this game on /vr/ for any reason, especially repetitive combat. Look at how much one opinion set everyone off.

Anyone who didn't love this game sucked at it, or uses guides or any kind of hints like a casual, or just hates any kind of difficulty in gaming.

>>1387642
If you criticized actual flaws like having to restart at the temple every time you get a game over, or how easy it is to cheese the EXP system to get to max levels, then yeah, I think people wouldn't have minded.

>>1387631
They've have been doing it for years, ever since SotN came out.

People hardly ever use 'adventure platformer' or 'exploration platformer' anymore. It just doesn't roll of the tongue as well.

>>1387631
>ADVENTURE PLATFORMER

What a shit name.

>>1387580
its never too late to switch
tbh i love the zelda games but aside from a select few they were never like mind bending WOAAHHH. i think Lttp was my favorite, but i like the first one. never played 2 though.
Lttp 2 thoughts?

>>1387642
>>1387641
>>1387631

This board to going to fuck like it's going out of style and it's depressing

I hope you enjoy my first and last post in a Zelda thread.. ever. Here it goes.

/vr/, you know good and well it's a fucking mistake to try and talk to other Zelda fans (or fans of any popular game series for that matter) They'll twist everything you say and try and tell you what you mean, when you're the one who said it. I never ever share my opinions on the games because the fanbase is full of retards. I just like to play them. Reading what you say isn't worth it and my time could be spent on something better.. like playing video games. People like me are outspoken by the crazy zealot children you see in every discussion. The problem with having the "I gotta prove somebody wrong" mentality is that EVERYONE has it, the smart people, the stupid people, etc.

i will never openly express joy for a Zelda title because of threads like these. It's the merry go round that I've sat down and watched a million times over and over and for some reason, I actually kind of enjoy seeing you argue yourselves into trenches meanwhile I'm in my element just enjoying what the games are willing to give me. Why care about someone's opinion when you can pop the game in and play it?

and no I'm not going to tell you what my least favorite game is, and what my favorite game is because that's all it takes to get shat on. There is no civil discussion about this franchise, ANYWHERE. You goddamn lamebrained peons will argue yourselves into extinction.

>>1387642
because its not repetative play it maybe sometime its got a lot of depth for an NES game

>>1387582
i have this problem with Metroid. i like how even small enemys require a good amount of effort, like them just being below your shot line. on the other hand, going to the first hideout and everything wrecks you to start over with 30 energy can be kinda bogus.

>>1387657
Man, get a load of this faggot.

>>1387657

Replace every instance of "Zelda" in that post with "Final Fantasy" and it'll still be true

>>1387639

here we go:
so they're finally here performing for you if you know the words you can join in too put your hands together if you wanna clap as we take you through this monkey rap

>>1387567
yes, but fags here got the flaws all wrong. that's all

>>1387624
how could you not being a lephant! they are pretty gimmicky, thought it was trying to throw new things at you constantly so you'd be on your toes?

>>1387590
It has its share of problems but really isn't half as bad as everyone says it is.

>>1387673

It's a shit

Just like you

I don't know why I can't find any google shopping results for "coffee enema".

>>1387590
Simon's Quest is actually the best Castlevania and was way ahead of its time
nah just kidding I never even played it

>>1387657
Beautiful speech.

It's the Zelda fanbase what actually drove me away from going to forums, the english-speaking community is filled with zealot children as you said, whilst the spanish community reeks of idiots. Just plain stupid idiots.

I love the games, and that's all I (or anyone who likes them) need(s), not a community of fools.

>>1387639
god i fucking hated DK 64. switching characters every thirty seconds was a pain in the ass. I know i could just do one run with a character, then do separate runs, but if im going towards one banana and i get a diddy road block, i wanna go get him to continue.
TLDR banjo is just better at the collectathon genre, but DK is still okay. depends what you had and grew up with.

>>1387657
>buttblasted OoT fan detected

>>1387634
They are.

>>1387646
>If you criticized actual flaws like having to restart at the temple every time you get a game over,
Anyone who mentions that gets called an OoT babby who needs to git gud. No one is allowed to criticize any aspect of this game on /vr/.

>>1387703
>Anyone who mentions that gets called an OoT babby who needs to git gud.

Huh, you're the only who quoted that post. No one else complained about what I said.

>>1387703
>No one is allowed to criticize any aspect of this game on /vr/.

For all your bitching you're the only one pushing this

Adopt a trip so I can filter you already

OP here.

Next time I make a played expected got thread, I'll make sure not to start with a Zelda picture.

>>1387269
Hold on now, that ain't right.
Kwirk's puzzles are pretty challenging and require thought.

>>1387680

>>1387215

hahaha

>>1387656
It used to be that /vr/ only got this vitriolic over zsnes and shader arguments.

>Hey guys, I like thing, do you like thing or similar thing? Discuss.
>FAGGOT, THING IS LITERALLY SHIT AND YOU'RE SUB-HUMAN IF YOU DON'T THINK SO
>I don't think so, because example
>SO I GUESS I'M JUST NOT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE THING, WAH

What the fuck? What happened to explaining your views and actually trying to discuss shit instead of having a great big hatewank?

>>1387686
>It's the Zelda fanbase what actually drove me away from going to forums
For me, as a whole the more radical side of the Zelda fanbase drove me away from the series altogether. Haven't played anything since Twilight Princess (which I didn't even finish) because for me it was better to have simply not played any of the new games at all than have to deal with the sect of fanboys/girls who were at my school at the time.
Let me tell you, they were terribad to have to deal with. If you gave them any leeway they would just run with it. I was too much of a young beta at the time to know to not even converse.
>Hey anon you like Zelda right??
>I suppose yeah, Zelda's nice.
>OH MY GOD ANON HAVE YOU PLAYED TWILIGHT PRINCESS YET? OH MY GAWWWWD IT'S SO CUUUUTE
>Oh, uh, no, I don't have a Wii actually (I had the GCN version but that wasn't their business)
>OH YOU DON'T? ANON YOU SHOULD GO BUY ONE RIGHT NOW JUST FOR THE GAME. IT'S SOOOO CUTE! I WISH ZELDA WOULD JUST FUCK LINK ALREADY THEY ARE SUUUUCH A COUPLE
>Uh, okay. I'll think about it.
>OH UNTIL YOU HAVE A WII HOW ABOUT YOU COME TO MY HOUSE? WE CAN PLAY TOGETHER XD
>Haha, I think I'm good.
>NO, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ANON! YOU HAVE TO! IT WILL BE THE BEST GAME YOU HAVE EVER PLAYED!
>Oh, wow, you sure about that?
>YES! I'M COMPLETELY SERIOUS! NOT EVEN EXAGGERATING!
A week later
>HEY ANON YOU LIKE NARUTO???
The week after that
>HEY ANON DO YOU KNOW WHAT HENTAI IS??? IT'S SO AWESOME!!!

The best way to hide your power level is not to have a power level at all.

Fast forward to freshman year at uni where one of them happened to also attend
>just got out of a lecture, walking across campus in a crowded area
>OH HEY THERE ANON LONG TIME NO SEE ME AND MY TRAP BOYFRIEND ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME "SEXY TIMES" AT OUR APARTMENT DO YOU WANT TO COME? HIS DAD GAVE HIM BEER SO WE CAN GET DRUNK
>he drops out before the year is even over

>>1387745
>calling it a phone
>not calling it a denwadesu
-1/10 would not purchase

>>1387714

yes :(

some of the actual on-topic messages were pretty good though, a person just has to skip all the pictureless messages and Princess Sevenleaf and it's a pretty decent thread

>>1387745

/v/ has invaded.

>>1387747
Holy shit, what kind of school you went to, how do you people even find people like that!?

Uuuggh...
>Being mexican
>Loving Zelda and vidya in general
>normalfags everywhere
>elitist kind, if you don't like soccer you're a faggot
>it was an era where enjoying anything "nerdy" (having interest on computers, the internet and, of course, vidya, made you a loser already.
>being the "Zelda boy faggot" for years.
>2003 after becoming more savvy of the net after lurking since 1998

Me: Oh hey, this might be nice, a forum with other people that like Zelda. I need people to talk to.

>Started out good.
>After a year gone downhill
>Blamed it on the average spanish-speaking comunity being, for the most part, hulking morons.
>Go to english Zelda forum
>Fucking obsesive psychos.

One just can't win.

Nowadays I just enjoy the games and mind my own business.

>>1387804
I've actually been thinking that the past few days.

Is /v/ raiding us, so to speak, or people just can't refrain from shitposting?

Holy fuck this thread

>>1387747
Why didn't u fug

>>1387657

When you're right, you're right. I applaud your honesty. The truth of the matter is that no one will ever agree on what the best and worse Zelda games are, because there are too many different factors at play. Far too many to count. One of the most common factors is age when played. The second most common factor would be whether it was supported in your friend circle or not.

>>1387745
All venues for discussing videogames are doomed to this.

>>1387662
>>1387657
This is what it's like for any long-running franchise with regular releases.

>>1387745
>What the fuck? What happened to explaining your views and actually trying to discuss shit instead of having a great big hatewank?

As much as I hate e-celebrities and this creepy fat fuck, the guy has a point.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/8649-Joy-Begets-Anger

>>1387863
I dunno, I think another key ingredient is that the games also have to vary quite a bit from title to title.
If some series as a whole is pretty samey, then that obviously results in a much less fragmented fanbase, and as a result you have much less heated arguments.
About the only exception to this I can think of is Pokemon, where the games are all very much the same, but people still find ways to argue about the most inconsequential bullshit.

>>1387273
>>1387318
That would be Majora's Mask.

I think most people on 4chan aren't old enough to really remember when Majora's Mask was new, but it was pretty poorly received.

>>1387923

I thought it was the fucking shit when I got it for Christmas that year, so did all my friends.

>>1387923
No it wasn't.

>>1387923
I recall it not being poorly recieved but rather... It being all over the pace, some thinking it was amazing new thing, other people bashing it for not being OoT 2.0

>>1387923
Whatever you say.

>>1387932
Nice photoshop asshole.

>>1387923
I was in grade 5 when It came out and me and all my friends loved it. People always whine about having to do the same shit over and over even though days 1-3 all have very different events and completing them in your journal you get a sticker so you dont have to do that shit again, something every fagget hater seems to forget. I can understand hating it but a lot of complaints are unjustified and the case with zelda 2.

I really like zelda 2 storming the great palace was amazing going through the valley of death all the way to the fucking hardest dungeon in the game was amazing. Everything in that game is super aggresive and out to kill link the hero from the first game they are now aware of. I like the sense of accomplishment you get from beating parts of the game like death mountain because you know the game isnt fucking around and you conquered what it tried to throw at you. It isnt perfect or anything but calling the combat boring as a reason to dislike it is just plain wrong

>>1387932
>miyamoto is the george lucas of video games, and zelda is his star wars
Weird to think back to a time when this was a compliment.

>>1387939
People just freak the fuck out whenever a timed element is used as a major element of the game, even though it's always lenient, and in MM's case, not really a limit.

>>1387508

literally all oot complaints i've ever seen: "god damn i can't skip this fucking text!" or "i have to PAUSE the game to switch equipment!" it's like you guys have rampant adhd or something and have no patience whatsoever

zelda 2 has mazes caves w/ dead ends and there is NO LOGICAL PROCESS AT ALL to know which when leads to the exit

the last dungeon has shit you have to fall through and there is no way to know which one leads to the final boss and which one you'll have to backtrack out of

in zelda 1 push a wrong block, nothing happens, well try another one in zelda 2 OH FUCK I NEED TO GO BACK THROUGH ALL THIS SHIT AND FIGHT THE SAME 3 ENEMIES ALL OVER AGAIN xrepeat 20 times

>>1387932
Magazine reviews are bought; the proof is in the sales numbers. Nobody gave a shit about Majora's Mask when it was new; to date it's the second-worst selling console Zelda next to Link's Crossbow Training.

>>1387932
The British N64 magazine I read at the time, their only complaint was that there was no fishing game.

>>1387949
worst selling doesn't mean shit when that's still in millions.

>>1387949

that's because it required the expansion pack

i know cause when i was younger i didn't ask for the game either when i could get 2 games for the price of 1

>>1387949
...alright, reviews are out of the question, understandable how you could feel that way, since the game was more or less universally well received by the media.

It's still one of the top 10 best selling N64 games, however, which is pretty far from being "poorly received".

>>1387189
i played that game when i was 5
Needless to say it was the most depressing thing i had seen, i was used to Mario and Zelda.

Try playing Terranigma and soul blazer next, they are pretty good too.

>>1387949
Considering how remarkably well it sold despite the N64 being on the way out (The Dreamcast and PS2 were already out when MM was released in Japan, and in the US MM and the PS2 were released the same fucking day), I'm going to have to say that you are full of shit. People definitely did care about the game.

>>1387617
The only two levels that ever made me rage were Klobber Karnage in DKC2 and the Anubis Rex boss in Pac-Man World.
>>1387617
My theory is that, since SMW2 and DKC3 were released near the end of the SNES, people would first play as Yoshi, get annoyed at Baby Mario's crying, and then the idea of "baby protagonist in games = annoying" would crystalize when they played DKC3 and see Kiddy for the first time.

TL;DR people project the excess hatred generated by Baby Mario onto Kiddy.

>>1387959

I've beaten Soul Blazer, and currently I'm finishing Lufia and the Fortress of Doom, but next on my hit list is Terranigma. I've tried starting it about 3 times but I just can't get into it, despite how great I hear it supposedly is.

>>1387967

that is a weird and highly convoluted theory

i think most people just babies, not necessarily a specific connection between the two

different art direction and bgm might also contribute

honestly i don't like the second game at all, the design is better in 1 and 3 and i really don't care for the dramatic / melancholic soundtrack and atmosphere

>>1387745
>That cell phone case

>>1387329
>>1387363
>Character with Diddy's movesets
>HURR DEY SHOULDA ADDED DK INSTEAD

>>1387948
the unskippable text is pretty fucking bullshit though, the only fags who want to watch those same cutscenes over and over are just fanboy scum. Hearing the deku trees speech for the 5000th fucking time gets a little grating

Two years too new, but what the hell.

>>1388004
If you want to feel like the expected, try regular Ghouls n' Ghosts.

>>1387773
Ohhh shit I'm gonna rage

>>1387873
Since this thread is already shit, I don't mind going off topic. Who the hell is the guy in the picture? I've been seeing him everywhere here.

>>1388039

some japanese electrician or something he's paid to play video games for a television program

>>1388039
Arino. He's a japanese comedian and the face of a show called "Gamecenter CX" about him challenging various (usually retro) games, as well as other segments such as visiting arcades.

>>1388039
Host of the best show about retro video games since Icons.

>>1388017

Whaaaat? You didn't like SH2?

Honestly I think /vr/ is still good as long as no one tries to discuss Zelda or Castlevania. Those are the only threads that have been awful to be honest

>>1387814
>Mexicans
>hulking

>>1388008
This isn't a game, IT'S A GODDAMN BOOK! WE HAVE TO READ TO BEAT THE LEVELS?

You are my nigga.

>>1388068
>North-center of Mexico, where most boys of a higher social status are actually tall, and rather buff out of pure vanity. Nowadays they're YOLO faggots with fake tans, trying too hard to be americans.

>>1388068
I meant the spanish speaking-comunity in general, not just Mexico.

>>1387820
Just assimilate them. Be steadfast to /vr/'s core values and maturity level. It's easy.


Just remember that these games that we're discussing came out long enough ago that we who have the most experience with them are grown ass men.

>>1388078

The man speaks truth.

If someone is being a dick to you, just remember that arguing on the Internet is like eating with your asshole -- it's unflattering and gross and accomplishes nothing.

>>1388078
>Be steadfast to /vr/'s core values and maturity level.


This is why I come to /vr/, especially earlier on, we could have actual good threads about games we loved as young lads.

Something ever since, as anon said, just went to hell as soon as Zelda or Castlevania are mentioned....

>what about Kiddie does everyone hate?
He's a lame, downgraded version of Donkey Kong. Diddy and Dixie had their own advantances. What did Kiddie Kong got? Nothing.

Thank godness we never saw him again since Nintendo realised later that nobody liked him.

>>1388008
ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION SHIGERU MIYAMOTO ???

>>1388008
>>1388070
>>1388092
Is there a reference I'm not getting?

>>1388094

some old ass youtube video i remember seeing in high school

>>1388082
Because it attracts kiddies.

Its really as simple as that. Yeah some Zelda/final fantasy fans can be mature, but realize /vr/ covers the two titles of those series that opened floodgates.

After this thread I will never post in a Zelda thread again and neither should anyone reading this. It's just for the best.

>>1388101
To further this point, its the exact reason we as a community need to push against sixth Gen includement until wiiu/ps4/xbone are being obsoleted by their successor.

I often wish 4chan was like 420chan where you can just tick 'no bump' and the thread doesn't get bumped. that way awful troll/unnecessary threads usually disappear really quickly.

>>1388117
You mean for OP to do for the whole thread, or for individual posts? Because we have sage for the latter.

This. Seriously though, Zelda 2 is very fun and the art style and sound effects/music is awesome. the sound of an attack being deflected off of armor is just superb and satisfying. It is challenging though, sometimes frustratingly so. The thing with classic games though is you stick with it until you get good. If I had one major complaint, it's that the bosses were kinda uninspired.

>>1388121
Well, I guess what I really meant was that I wish everyone on 4chan would just sage when threads are utter horseshit.

I remember not long ago somebody made an obvious troll thread on 420chan saying how legalisation is a terrible idea because it will make everyone unproductive. Literally all the replies were just like "Obvious troll, nothing to see here, nb" and the thread disappeared into the ether in no time.

>>1388094
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgTZdQ-u5Hc

>>1387325
I played this as a 10 year old and never was bothered by the kid until /vg/ told me how annoying they found him. Now I think that too and can't play the game.

Cheers, /vg/ lads.

This thread is proof that Zelda fans are the most childish, retarded reddit-fodder on the internet.

You make Sonic and Kingdom Hearts fans look fucking reasonable.

It's not even so much threads like this, it's the constant talking about this fucking franchise I can't stand. I just don't get why it's so popular.

>>1389023
>I just don't get why it's so popular.

'cause it's baby's first adventure game

>>1389023

You are just as bad as every other fucker in this thread

"zelda 2 combat has depth and isn't repetitive at all"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioHqz6TBYK4&t=1m44s

>>1389052
>cheating

>>1389063

cheating must mean "using the most intelligible and effective strategy"

>>1387363
Then the game would just have weird pedo overtones.

>>1389023
>stop liking what I don't like
>>1389042

He is the worst fucker in this thread,

>>1389070

I bet you're the kind of fag who hides behind the ribcage where Flamelurker can't hit you at all

>>1387597
You know, that's fair.

I think Zelda 2 is a great game, but none of us can help it if you don't agree. I don't like how quick some people are to scream CASUAAAL when you don't like it.

>>1389021
>letting 4chan sway your personal opinion

holy shit dude, I think you need to have your head checked out

>>1389074

listen to this scrublord >>1387498

>>1389080

IF your complaints are that it's too punishing, then it's a perfectly acceptable complaint

>>1389084

I'm confused about what you're trying to communicate

>>1387597
You don't have to "git gud", it's a fucking stupid thing to say. You just have to see the game for what it is and enjoy it. If you don't, fine, but at least give it a chance because it's really, honestly, genuinely fun.

The demo was just combat.

>>1387515
We are victims of the same fraud, fucking misleading covers.

At least I wasn't foolish enough to expect the original arcade experience.

>>1389168

That shit ain't retro

iirc, someone once theorized that the water temple is remembered as difficult because it forces the player to cumbersomely switch between boots, which breaks up gameplay constantly, as well as explore a complex labyrinth. these two factors combine to become an unpleasant experience.

>>1389184
>complex

That's what the map is for. You'd think they'd check it when switching boots.

>>1389191
Yeah, but it's still difficult to navigate. Hence, boots.

ITT : Zelda fans and a shithead tripfag at their autistic best.

>>1389184
Don't forget the constant "I have to play a flute instead of just HITTING A SINGLE BUTTON" to change water levels

The fucking Ocarina is the WORST part of Ocarina of Time.

>>1389184
I don't know why some people are so militant about defending the Water Temple, when even Nintendo admits that the boots thing was bullshit.

>>1387814

your name wouldnt happen to be Macias would it?

>>1389225

>dem vortexes in the water

ALL OF MY HATE

>>1389225

no it was changed because it is a child friendly series and complex thinking is not child friendly

same reason why this dungeon in zelda 3 was altered; too complicated for childish minds

>>1389291
What the hell are you talking about?

Nintendo didn't change the water temple. They just made it so you don't have to open the menu every time you need to switch boots. That has no impact on any of the game's challenge or "complex thinking."

>>1389291
Wasn't the only change of the ice dungeon to remove a bug that made it unbeatable?

>>1389302

if i remember correctly they actually designed the dungeon so that if you messed up and used a key in the wrong place you couldn't beat it all, so after the original release they added a spare small key to it just in case

>>1389184
>>1389291

I played it long ago as a kid and had no problems with it at all. Puzzles were one of the things that made Zelda games interesting.

>>1389389
He was being facetious.

Okay, this is probably a stupid question but ...
What's wrong with Zelda fans ? I've never really spoken to any of those. Are they weird ? Are they like bronies or something ?

>>1389415
Probably a divided fanbase.

And hell, that the Zelda threads on /v/ are pure autism.

>>1388017
3 is better but this is a /vr/ board

>>1387215
So wait, is that a good thing or a bad thing? I have never played Zoda's Revenge but I'm working on the first.

>>1387497
I suspect the main problem is that so many people think that it's a bad game because they either were bad at the game or (more likely) they watched humorous internet review videos and took from that the opinion without considering the embellishment that occurs in all humorous review videos to make it more entertaining, and the second really feeds into the first. I like Zelda 2 a lot, but I won't call it the best game ever, probably not even the best Zelda game. If anything, the knee-jerk reactions and defensiveness of people on here over Z2 is simply a loud shocking announcement meant to get people to stop shitting on it and consider that it might actually be good. I don't really condone such stuff but I understand why people do it. I only worry about it devolving into /v/-like mindless worship which disregards all personal taste and opinion for a 'you like it or you're shit' sense of hostility/superiority.

/thread

>>1387168

>>1389415

zelda fans are basically on the same tier as bronies and sonic fans p much, but not so much in the ways displayed in this thread. /vr/ just has a serious hardon for defending mediocre games that get bashed constantly like dkc3 and z2

>>1387773
Two of the best games ever.
These should be required playing Vidya 101.

>>1387590
It's definitely not the best Castlevania, or even a very good game, but it was way ahead of its time. It's aged like milk, though.

>>1389513

>>1389517
stop fucking calling it mediocre you're just baiting. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its mediocre you fuckin idiot. Its better than 90% of the NES library which is above mediorcre. Nobody is a fanboy and calling it GOAT its just you underage scum come in here and say stupid shit like that and get a whole flame war going.

>>1389639
is there a single good hokuto no ken game?

>>1389654
The nes ones are alright even if repetitive as fuck.

>>1387196
>no eyeballs
mate guardian legends is eyeballs the video game

>>1389517
M-M-M-MAXIMUM OVERBAIT

>>1389513
What is that game in the top right? I forget it's name. Looked interesting as fuck.

>>1387273
Zelda II's history really goes like this:

First it was
>Wow, this game is awesome!
Then it was
>That game was pretty cool!
Then it was
>Ocarina was my first Zelda game, why is this so weird?
Now it's
>BLACK SHEEP OF THE SERIES! WORST GAME EVER! FUCK ANYONE WHO DISAGREES!

>>1389723
Yume Nikki

>>1389641

there's something innately hilarious about me saying a game is just so-so and you shitting your pants and screaming about how HORRIBLY WRONG i am, while still managing to call -me- the one that's underage

>>1389746
dude you're just baiting though it's not a so-so game. Its a well crafted above average game that you don't like. Stop trying to present your opinion as the facts like a child.

>>1389749
>Your opinion is wrong because it goes against my opinion!!!!!!

So I'm not that guy, but I've thought Zelda 2 was mediocre ever since I got it new in box when it was relevant.

>>1389752
Nice try junior, please refrain from using words that you do not understand. I have created this image to help expand your knowledge of the vocabulary you use. Pic related does not apply to zelda 2, these aren't opinions this is fact. There is nothing wrong with the quality of the game just because you do not enjoy it does not take away from its quality.

>>1389768
>not very good

>>1389795
>neither good nor bad
Lrn2greentext your own images you goof.
it is a good game though, its well crafted the mechanics make sense and its easy enough to figure out how to play it. A mediocre game would be a flawed game like 8 eyes. 8 eyes is an enjoyable game but it has many flaws that keep it from being a good game. Zelda 2 doesn't have any glaring flaws like that it was well crafted.

Played this because of /m/ and /vr/. Thanks guys.

>>1389497
Mother 3 was a piece of shit game for crybaby emos anyway.

>>1389823
so was mother 2, the only people who like that are feelsfags

>>1387591
I know I'm late to the party, but I'm just now reading through the thread. I just wanted to say that you got fucking rekt, little kid.

lulz

>>1387745
/v/ happened.

They're still asspained beyond belief that /vr/ even exists. It was created solely to be a slap in their faces, and they know it. NEET nerds will be NEET nerds.

>>1389854
why do they care if /vr/ exists or not?

>>1389823
Fuck u and ur bait

It's my favourite JRPG, I'm guessing you didn't play it and are just hating on [some aspects of] the story that you read about.

>>1389858
>NEET nerds will be NEET nerds
^That sentence alone by anon is the answer you seek.

>>1389858
Because they were literally told that their constant "hateboner threads" and "wallowing in their own filth" were the reason for /vr/'s creation. That /vr/ was a place where people who actually wanted to talk about games could come to "escape" the shitfest.

All that said, do you really think loser NEET nerds want to accept a "loss" like that? All their bullshit is useless without an audience.

>>1389454

Bumped for curiosity, I love Bill and Ted

>>1389923
thought this game was complete shit

>>1389654
The Arcade/PS2 fighting game is good.

>>1389926
Aw man it was. Music was quite nice though.

>>1389930
cool ill look into it.

>>1389658
I was specifically looking for good haha, even the genesis one is alright too. The master system bastardized american version is supposed to be good though black belt i think its called. Its a shame all fist of the north star shit was removed.

>>1389157
that game's multiplayer is a lot of fun though.

>>1389872
Its funny though, lately we've been getting more shitposts as /v/ gets a few less, but I digress because Meta isn't /vr/

>>1389517
where did YOU learn to bait

>>1387501
great game but my god its depressing haha

Found out recently that it's not actually an FF game, they just branded it that to help sell it. It's actually part of the SaGa series

>>1389076
anything other than a pile of shit in the "what I got" section of that picture is inaccurate.

>>1387501
>>1390521
I only knew it was a SaGa game because I played Saga Frontier first and noticed the similarities after playing the first couple of FFL games (mainly how the monsters and robots worked).

>>1387657

TL;DR

>>1389154
Chiller

>>1387352

i realize i'm kind of late with this, but i'd just like to point out that you're a fucking idiot.

>>1387584

YOU DON'T HAVE TO KNOW IT YOU STUPID FUCK, YOU FUCKING FIGURE IT OUT, HOLT FUCK!

>>1389502
Oh, fuck! I love Picross!

I don't feel like making a picture
>What I played?
FF6
>What I expected?
Something similar to FF4
>What I got?
Lord of the Rings.

>>1387657
copypasta anyone?

>>1389454
>>1389882
Oh hey, this thread's still going. For me personally, it's a positive. Startropics 2 is a fantastic game and it saddens me that the franchise has been abandoned.

Definitely play it sometime.

>>1391603
In what way is FF6 similar to LotR? I'm rather curious.

>>1389854
>click on /v/
>see this thread
>see people acting like jaded asshats
>see this post
>realize I'm not on /v/
>I'm on /vr/
Shit, the atmosphere of this place certainly has changed since day 1.

>>1387215

it's funny because the 8bit sprite

for the main character looks like ted

>>1387515
I used to have this game on Genesis. Loved hearing the fart noises on the 'repeat the pattern' level with Donald's nephews.

why the fuck does everyone compare everything to dark souls fucking stop

I love Adventure Island, but nothing could possibly live up to that evil dinosaur guy on the cover.

>>1387639
>that voice that says "GET OUT"
I shit my pants every tiem

>>1393095
Because they're like 18
It's even more obvious when someone says something like they expected Zelda 2 to be unplayable

>>1396294
why...why can I smell it through my monitor?

>>1396324

>>1396294
im eating, you asshole

>>1395601
I remember playing Zelda 2 for the first time in like '98 it must have been.

I liked it a lot.
Only when I got the internet at my house did I learn it isn't a well loved Zelda.

>>1395601
I'm 19 and I don't even like Dark Souls
I don't get why /v/ has been blowing their load over the game for like a year now
I mean it's not a bad game but I sure as hell just personally don't like it

>>1396328
but anon, did you like Carmen Sandiego?
I did. Which actually made Mario is Missing a pleasant surprise...and that soundtrack..oh god so good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SUytGFatWc

>>1396328

>>1387269
nobody even mentioned majora's mask and wind waker bro

>>1389513
OFF is what I thought Earthbound would be like before I played it. interesting

>>1396519

>>1389923

Uh, what? You played W&W 2 and got W&W 3?

>>1396583
That's one thing I really loved about FF3 and it's hardly ever done. Everyone shared in the spotlight fairly equally.

>>1394687

well... he's a rhino isn't he

Bigger template here

>>1388039
he is /vr/'s lord and master...also Captain of our 4chan CUp Team
>goto GameCenter CX general for more info

>>1396328
That was me too

>>1387573
I beat the game just a few months ago after starting it up last year. I admit that I used a guide twice, and it was to find the mirror and to find the last spell. While I still think that the mirror is bullshit, I later found that there were NPCs who told you about where to find the last spell. I simply didn't pay enough attention, forgot to write down NPC dialog, and instead of retracing my steps I just got lazy about it. Had I really tried, I could have beaten it without ever looking at a guide. I certainly didn't need a guide to find the dungeons, or to navigate the maze (seriously, ever heard the rule that any maze can be escaped by only taking right turns?), and finding items was as easy as exploring the overworld and dungeons. It wasn't always easy, but that's when you make maps. I certainly did that for the great palace. I don't get why people can't just figure stuff out. It's an exploration/puzzle game on top of an action game. Isn't that what Zelda is about?

>>1387619
That's why you play Level 1 challenges. Otherwise, yeah.

>>1387863
Except for mario. The most you'll get there is people shitting on NSMB which is pretty well justified anyway.

>>1387948
What's so bad about experimentation having a heavier cost? The only one that was really that bad was the Great Palace and you could continue there. The sixth dungeon was bad too at times, but by that point in the game you don't have much issue getting places.

>>1389103
I don't even think it's that punishing really. The game doesn't delete your file or something when you die in a dungeon. Maybe you game over and go back to north palace, it's not a big deal. By the time you're at the hard dungeons, you can get to them in literally a few minutes of battle-free walking. The only one you can't reach like that is the Great Palace, and they give you a save point there.

I still love it though.

>>1387501
>>1390521
Anyone else remember that standup comic chick in the early 2000s who had a bit about this game?

>>1389442
>SA watermark removed

why do people take the time to remove watermarks, that strikes me as an overwhelmingly autistic thing to do

I'm sorry

>>1387505
mental gymnastics to hide hipster faggotry. same with genesis > snes anons.

>>1387516

I played OOT for the first time a few years back.
The water temple made me ragequit. I hated it and everything about it.

>>1397279
>replying seriously to a post from a dead five day old shitflinging contest

>>>/v/

>>1397207
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqEbAcluIJE

Whole thing is kind of related, but the FFL bit is at 3 minutes in.

>>1397318
>five day old anything
>/v/

marathon was a extreme surprise to me.

>>1397432
an* i fucked up with the spelling.

>>1397396
That's the point.

>>1387168

>>1397485
Not retro

>>1397490
There

>>1387773
I disagree. Maybe if Castlevania didn't break after you knew what to do. And I mean, I know I can do things like a naked Alucard run or something, but why do I need to cripple myself to have any fun? It's still atmospheric and deep enough that I replay it relatively frequently, but Metroid is just a plain better experience when it's not your first or second run through the game.

>>1397432
Did you play the marathon remakes?

I'm thinking I' should play Marathon soon.

>>1389821
>tfw the creator wants to give it a remake so bad but nobody in Japan even seems to remember it.
>tfw Buriki Daioh could have been in SRW and Jam Project even made a cover for its theme for it but it never happened.

Goddamnit all

>>1387773
What a fucking awful opinion.

>>1397620
>creator wants to give it a remake

That's news to me. And makes it even worse. Probably the most underrated game in the SNES (well, SuFami, but whatever).

>>1397635
Friend of mine mentioned the fact several times as he was streaming himself playing it. Not sure where he got the info though.
The creator also thinks episodic releases of the chapters (like how some telltale does their games) would work out better for a remake. I can kinda see where he's coming from.

>>1397221
YES! This. It's an OK game, but why does everyone pop a boner over it?

Changed the Template a bit and I think I better explain it.

As a kid I -never- used Relm, as a kid all I used was Sabin, Edgar and whoever else. But never Relm. And my copy of FF3 is version 1.0. As an adult I thought why not, she has the highest magic stat.. might as well use her. 40 hours into the game, after farming Genji gloves for everyone on the floating isle, in the middle of the World of Ruin and thought while searching for Locke with 3 teams.. ill try Sketch out.

My save was gone.

Yes the connector pins were clean, because I cleaned them
Yes the battery still held saves as the other saves were not effected

After a few days of depression I got back into FF3.. did I hate Relm? no. Did I ever have her cast magic again? no.

I gave her +Str Espers, Offering, Genji Glove, cant remember the name of the equipment but it was str based and 2 Man Eaters. She one shot Kefka at the end.

>>1397196
>johnnie brabo

kek, I see what you did there

>>1396857
Yeah this. FF logic dictates Locke should be the main character (blonde thief with a mysterious past and a love interest), but he definitely isn't.

Terra's on the box, but again, isn't really played as a main character.

Celes comes close, but its only for like half the game.

I'ts actually pretty refreshing, looking back

>>1396519
Kefka is a one-note villain, but what a deafening, blood-curdling, hair-raising note it is.

>>1389923
haha

>>1397591
Wait, which ones? Care to explain?

>Played
Chrono Nigger
>Expected
FF: DBZ Edition
>Got
FF: Time Traveling Edition (Now with not-shit combat!)