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inb4 shitstorm

>>1383567
Gosh, I hope not. I love both of them.

I just [spoilerlove Cross a little more

...even though Trigger's technically a better game

>>1383567
Gosh, I hope not. I love both games.

I just love Cross a little bit more

...even though Trigger is technically a better game

Final Fantasy X

>>1383585
FFX was great but it has nothing on the combination of Honne's art, Mitsuda's music and Kato's writing.

>>1383559
Chrono Cross was a huge mess, it's not worth arguing about it anymore

>>1383575

This

>>1383648
Yeah, but it was a gorgeous mess, OP's right.

And the answer is no, not until someone manages to succeed Yasunori Mitsuda.

>>1383559
If anyone was still capable of making games like that I wouldn't be browsing /vr/

Still waiting on Monolith Soft Kyoto's new game

Here we go agaaaaaaaaaaain (we go again).

I'm a CT fag fo life. FUCK CROSS. Cross can go eat 10 butts, 1 pussy, and 50 dix.

Oh boy, it's another Chrono thread. Let's try and keep this one positive, shall we?

I enjoy Chrono Trigger for its wonderful music, and I enjoy Chrono Cross for its beautiful vistas. The battle system for each game suits the overall tone well.

>>1383567
It's pretty obvious you're quoting yourself. Why don't you just trip if you love attention that much?

So uh, is this thread about Chrono Cross or beautiful games?

I haven't played Chrono Cross, though I tried Trigger and didn't really get into it.

Any fans care to sell me on the game? As difficult as it would be to admit IRL, I actually love being hyped up for a game before experiencing it.

>>1383843
>Chrono Cross or beautiful games

That's synonymous

Personally, I'd say Dragon Quest VIII outdoes that. The Katamari games on HD systems are really good-looking too. As for games also on the Playstation? I dunno, you might have me there.

>>1383901
Well, I can tell you why I liked it.

The game is beautiful in both art and music. The graphics are amazing for PS1, but what really makes them memorable is the art direction. Everything is organic, colorful and alive, a far cry from the sterile style of most games of the time.

The music is amazing, it has the best soundtrack of any game I've ever played. There's a thematic cohesion to the soundtrack that also manages to keep a wide range of emotions. Most people complain about the battle theme being annoying, and while it's not the best song ever it's a far cry from being bad in my opinion.

The plot is unlike that of most games. In Cross you're limited to a small region of your world, and thus the journey is more quiet and personal. Most NPCs like to wax about philosophy and many of them have an ethereal quality that I found intriguing. The story is well-planned both thematically and as a sequel to CT, but the pacing is way off. Think Xenogears off if you've ever played that. It also leaves many things up for speculation, which I think is cool but your opinion my vary. All in all, it's very dream-like.

The gameplay is miles ahead from ATB. Instead of waiting for a bar to fill, you have turns with certain stamina points. This lets you choose different levels of physical strength attack, use a customizable magic/tech system, or run away, all within one turn. You can run away from every single battle, even bosses. You also get 40+ characters to use. Some tie up with the plot, others are just for fun. You don't get EXP, instead battles build your stats up slightly. I thought it was really fun and there was always something new to try out.

I dunno, it's just a very memorable game. It feels rather experimental and unique. Most people who hate it hate it on the basis of not being exactly like CT, but if you really didn't get into CT you may want to try CC out. Watch the opening, it's the best game seller there is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=923fVDDwaHo

Is it even possible to make ocean/water themed games look bad?

there are the baten kaitos games for the nintendo gamecube

same art director and background painter (Yasuyuki Honne) as chrono cross

also most of the two ost is generic motoi sakuraba - there are a few pieces that seem to resemble / harken to the bgm in chrono cross

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc3GfVHluvE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK8cs3LMGhM

on that last one, control + F in the description to "Village of Abundance", skip to that

don't care for motoi sakuraba at all and not fond of the music in chrono cross but w/e

For people who like CC's tunes, I highly recommend the Kirite and Sailing to the World osts, both by Yasunori Mitsuda.

>>1384049
>Most people who hate it hate it on the basis of not being exactly like CT
I hate it because I found it to be obnoxiously boring

Also vomiting a bunch of colors onto something does not make it beautiful

But maybe it's just me

>>1384401
Actually, hate is probably too strong. "Extremely underwhelming" would be more fitting.

As with Xenogears I simply cannot understand the level of praise it gets.

>>1384401
>Also vomiting a bunch of colors onto something does not make it beautiful

Someone better go tell nature to make things more realistic, where the fuck is my grey and brown bloom?

So recently I have installed 32bit win7 to the 2nd HHD of my rig and made an emulator environment containing lot of emulators like SNES and Amiga.

I have been wondering about Chrono Trigger a lot and sure want to play it. What you guys recommend? Playing Snes CT at first or this Chrono Cross (what is it exactly anyway, too lazy to wiki).

I got the CT rom already so probably will go with CT first but just wanna hear your thoughts.

>>1384409
Colorful things can be beautiful but simply adding color doesn't necessarily make something beautiful

CC might be colorful but it's hardly beautiful

>>1384412
Play Trigger first. Despite what butthurt Trigger fanboys might tell you, Cross is deeply rooted in Trigger - the events that lead to it happen in the first third of the game. Cross is also heavy on reflection and repercussions of one's deeds (or simply existence), including those that happened in its predecessor. Suffering through the slow ATB after Cross' stamina system would also be rather unpleasant.


>>1384415
>CC might be colorful but it's hardly beautiful
If it's so ugly, you surely won't have any trouble providing plenty of evidence.

>>1384468
>If it's so ugly, you surely won't have any trouble providing plenty of evidence.
People have already posted screenshots

>>1384472
So that's a "no".

>>1384412
>What you guys recommend?
what do you like more, B-movie time travel or pretentious nonsense

>>1384482
I haven't seen a single B-movie that had time travel as awful as Trigger

>>1383559
>Will there ever be another game as all-around beautiful as Chrono Cross?

artstyle was nice minus serge. dem pink socks.

overall though the story was not beautiful but rather a very convoluted one that was explained all too fast at the end of the game.

So yes, there will be, and has been many that exceeded it.

Trigger is a saturday morning cartoon written by an intelligent adult. Cross is a serious story written by a person with mental capabilities of a small child.

You can only take Cross seriously if you're a child and/or are stupid. It falls on it's face so many times during it's attempts at story telling. The dragons alone are some of the worst dives from artistic pretense to bottom-of-the-barrel-cliche I've seen in a video game.

The only truly good aspect of Cross is it's presentation. It's an imperfect game that's sometimes laughably bad, but graphics and music are simply top-notch.

>>1384524
>Trigger is a saturday morning cartoon written by an intelligent adult.

Then how did that "intelligent adult" make so many basic time travel mistakes?

>>1384528
>time travel mistakes
time travel isn't real bro

>>1384507
You can't really expect to be taken seriously with that level of hyperbole.

Trigger would be an endless loop without Cross introducing darkness at the end of time

>>1384532
It exists within the game and has defined rules which the author conveniently forgets/ignores when they don't suit him. That's shit writing at the highest level. Luckily he got better by the time he wrote CC or else we'd have another awful clusterfuck like CT.

>>1384534
There's no time travel in that movie

>>1384528
>Then how did that "intelligent adult" make so many basic time travel mistakes?
Since he was intelligent, he knew that time travel is impossible and that it's 100% artistic license and he should rather focus on storytelling. He knew that it was a literary device, and used it as such.

Trigger had the concept serve story. Cross has story serving the concept, which is a very basic and childish misunderstanding of how writing works.

>>1384545

>>1384545
>Luckily he got better by the time he wrote CC
Kato was not the only, nor main writer for Chrono Trigger. Even Horii himself wrote for it.

He was the one writing Xenogears, though, and sure as fuck that was just as much of a mess, especially disc two (in both cases).

>>1384560
Still not as awful as Frog

>>1384559
Yeah nice try but shit storytelling makes a shit story, it's like establishing that vampires can't survive in the sun and then have a beach scene with Dracula because LOL VAMPIRES AREN'T REAL ANYWAY

chrono cross has no meaningful character development at all, never mind that 90% of the plot and events literally have NOTHING to do with anything, it's Radical Dreamers + some generic ties in with Chrono Trigger added as an afterthought

xenogears actually has character development

fei has a static and robotic personality that fits with the theme of the game - he is a catalyst to develop the other characters

a twist late in the game brings this development into question, this is quickly resolved and the plot moves into its final stages

a lot of this is muddied by the crappy translation - all of these games had bad / inaccurate translations, but xenogears was negatively affected the most

I thought we were talking about beautiful games, but then the Anti-CC Organization arrived.

>>1384606
>chrono cross has no meaningful character development at all

Stopped reading there.

>>1384619
>can't take it

>>1384606
tl;dr: MUH TRIGGER

>>1384623
>can't take it

So much stupidity in one post is clearly too much to take, I agree

>>1384560
You know what? Fuck it. Next time I'm not getting that dog in my party. Or any of the characters I don't like. Hell with em.

>>1384623
I'm not gonna read a long winded post because it's something you clearly have zero understanding about.

Chrono Cross had a myriad of character development.
Chrono Trigger on the other hand, hardly had any.

>>1384636

You mean the other way around.

Mojoy coming to terms with his origins showed more character development than the whole Trigger cast had

Cross and Trigger fans really hate each other, uh?

>>1384637
No, I don't.

In Trigger you have what, Frog and Magus having their little tiff's with one another, and Marle with her family. That's it.

In Cross you have things like Glenn and his legacy, everything concerning Serge, everything concerning Kid, Harle and her coming to understand she's a tool created by the Dragon God, Fargo coming to peace with his past and Nikki coming to terms with his heritage. There are dozens of other examples I'm leaving off, as well.

Not every single character in the game has a huge amount of development, but to say that Chrono Trigger has more than Cross if flat out incorrect. In terms of games with more character development than Cross, there really isn't that much out there.

You would know this if you actually played the game though, which most CC haters haven't. And if they did, they quit before finishing Viper Manor

>>1384645

Na, its just the autistic retards here, there's always been a faction of Cross fans that's loud and obnoxious because cause they "get" Cross and that makes them feel smart and anyone who likes Trigger is a dumb child or some shit.

These threads are generally worthless, its just trolls, trolling trolls, anyone mention of CT and CC should be banned on sight.

>mfw I recognized the element pattern I scribbled down from the Criosphinx

>>1384645
Na, its just the autistic retards here, there's always been a faction of Trigger fans that's loud and obnoxious because they didn't get Trigger 1.1 (nor did they get even the simplest Cross plot points, some even failing to understand the whole dimension thing) and that makes them butthurt and anyone who likes Cross is pretentious to them because obviously every story should be written that three year olds understand them (and fail to notice the glaring flaws).

These threads are generally worthless, its just trolls, trolling trolls, anyone mention of CT should be banned on sight.

Gentlemen, the one thing I don't understand is: why can't we legitimately shit on Chrono Cross without bringing Trigger up? It only gives Cross fangirlyboys reasons to shitpost, as opposed to actually arguing.

See:
>>1384624
>>1384569
etc.

I loved Cross even though it felt unfinished and rushed by the end. Still, I'm glad it was my first RPG ever, else I might've been playing CoD or some other shit now.

>>1384701
Even if it's not brought up the only respone Crossaders have is to scream about CT

>Comparing cross to what is essentially an entirely different game

>>1384701
>why can't we legitimately shit on Chrono Cross without bringing Trigger up?

Because there wouldn't be any reason to, it's an excellent game and the only "valid" complaints are IT'S NOT MUH TRIGGER 1.01

>>1384731
Good job proving that >>1384706 is all but right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmu8E8d1wtA

>>1384747
He has a point, though.

Almost all criticism about Cross comes from the fact that it isn't Trigger.

The music in Cross is great.
The atmosphere in Cross is great.
The battle system in Cross is great.
The characters in Cross are (mostly) great.
The plot is confusing as all fuck in parts, but overall is pretty good once it all comes about in the end of the game.

The only issues the game has are the horrendous load times at parts and the pacing in the middle section of the game.

Go ahead, tell me issues with the game that ARE NOT related to Trigger or Trigger being "better". I'll wait.

>>1384794
Lame story that doesn't hook the player at all, really bad battle music, loads of rather lame characters.

I played the game when it was still rather new and it really offered nothing to induce me to complete it. And I actually beat FF8, which has more glaring flaws. But then, Triple Triad was more fun than CC.

>>1384794
You're skipping the bit where writing is a mess. The plot goes on various tangents and ends up nowhere. With every development the story gets deeper into a hole and is then excavated by further pseudometaphysics. Many main characters should not be there and would have been cut out of any professional script or merged with other characters - like Harle. Why is she there, story-wise? She's a non-character, and the plot has to take a very ridiculous turn to explain her very existence.

The problem, in a word, is that it reads as fanfiction. Fuck Trigger itself, forget about it. But the fact that all Trigger characters were killed is in itself fanfiction-like, trite, edgy and all-around ridiculous and unnecessary, and it's just one example of many.

>>1384794
>>1384817

>>1384836
>The plot goes on various tangents and ends up nowhere
Such as?

>Harle. Why is she there, story-wise?

Harle was created by the Dragon God as undercover agent in El Nido, who most likely used Schala's genetic template since DG is controlled by Time Devourer. She's ordered to retrieve the Frozen Flame and joins Lynx (who's working for FATE, the enemy of DG) because it's advantageous to her cause. Later on she joins you too, first to take advantage of you, but her affection for Serge (potentially stemming from her genetic template) messes shit up for her so she leaves the party to fulfill her mission (getting the flame) and eventually reluctantly rejoins DG.

tl;dr: she's an underling working for the bad guys, gets feelings for MC, leaves, tragic end.

>>1384836
>You're skipping the bit where writing is a mess.

>>1384794
>The plot is confusing as all fuck in parts
>the pacing in the middle section of the game.

I didn't skip that, at all.

>>1384887
You said it's overall good. It's not. It's a childish edgy mess for reasons listed in >>1384836 .

wasn't this thread about the art of chrono cross?

let's talk about how the character designer is a huge furry

>>1384836
>But the fact that all Trigger characters were killed

>Ayla died in her own time
>Frog died in his own time
>Magus is alive
>Crono+Marle are never confirmed to be dead

>Robo is alive and dies a tragic but dignified death
>Lucca gets presumably killed after refusing to assist Lynx

^ those two die to establish a deeper antagonism towards Lynx and build Kid's background, something clearly NEVER done before in other games. Also don't forget that the Chrono universe works with infinite possible realities, so their deaths might not even happen in some. What you're playing is just one version of the world. OMG SOOOOOOO EDGY

>>1384937
>killing characters to establish why a bad guy is bad
>Never been done before

>>1384929
He is? Give some examples.

>>1384937
>Also don't forget that the Chrono universe works with infinite possible realities, so their deaths might not even happen in some
is the silly pseudometaphysics I was tlaking about, yeah. It's unnecessary and stupid. As I said, a silly villain (Lynx) off-handedly killing off protagonists of the work that's being referenced is what I call "edgy fanfiction-grade writing".

What Cross does is throw together some happenstance and explain it all throught the ever-increasing parallel world bullshit - and then ending up with painfully cliche ancient elemental dragon hunt to add insult to injury.

>>1384969

basing it on him doing the designs for these games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solatorobo:_Red_the_Hunter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tail_Concerto

i bet he even begged Kato to include an anthropomorphic character in the game

fucking faggot

CC really was beautiful. It makes me happy just walking around in the game.

The OST is master race as well.

>>1384972
>unnecessary and stupid
The game is about parallel worlds and you call that unnecessary and stupid. This is like calling cake stupid for using cake ingredients.


>a silly villain (Lynx) off-handedly killing off protagonists of the work that's being referenced is what I call "edgy fanfiction-grade writing".
Why is someone being kidnapped and killed off-screen edgy? Why should protagonists from the prequel be treated differently? Why is Lynx "silly"? Not generic enough for you?


>What Cross does is throw together some happenstance and explain it all throught the ever-increasing parallel world bullshit
Again, the game IS about parallel worlds and their differences. That's like claiming oh huh Trigger throws together some happenstance and explains it all through ever-increasing time travel bullshit. Or Star Wars throws around some swords and explains it with ever-increasing force bullshit!


>painfully cliche ancient elemental dragon hunt
Sure was cliche of them to let you have the relics so you can hopefully defeat FATE for them and they can reunite across dimensions.

>>1384976
Oh wow, using the same logic, Toriyama is a gay pedophile

>>1385035

well i certainly can say he doesn't hate it...

>>1384524
> Trigger is a saturday morning cartoon written by an intelligent adult. Cross is a serious story written by a person with mental capabilities of a small child.
> yfw these are literally the same person

>>1385026
>The game is about parallel worlds
No, it's about Serge, hid dad, the cat and the sub-Sephiroth-grade villain. Parallel worlds is just a gimmick... that ended up becoming the awful crutch for the script. Everything is explained through it as if magical "explanation" is all it takes for the plot to be good, when nothing is actually developed or resolved.

>Why is someone being kidnapped and killed off-screen edgy?
That's the definition of edgy. It's done for effect, and the effect is weak; and it's not even required in the plot. It's jsut there: bam, Lucca's DED vilen is evil wow Crono gost ANCIENT EVEL 'PUTER A.I. super dimensional DEVORER AND DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGONS is what all the pretense of Cross end up with. Why is it all happening? Oh, right, because the setting allows all sorts of shit and everything is explainable. Happanstance? Premediated by 'puter. Which 'puter? The evil one from the parallel futurepast (and it's related to Trigger). As for the villain, he's OVER THERE. Also, he's killed Lucca. Lucca's DEAD! This is SERIOUS! She's not even a character in the story, and she's already DEAD!

>>1385042
"yfw" they are not. Kato was co-writing with three other, much more accomplished writers than him, including Yuji Horii himself. Trigger has nothing much to do with that dumb fuck. See Cross and Xenogears for the kind of shit he makes when he's given free reign. He thinks that throwing around pseudphilosophical words is clever, he thinks that edgy is cool, he thinks that hideously unresearched biblical references are fun - he's a child.

>>1385058
>Parallel worlds is just a gimmick

>crossing between worlds is one of the major mechanics
>game keeps droning on how one existence changes the world
>gimmick

Also Lucca's death is Kid's main motivation.. oh wait you're just a buttthurt triggertard BAWWWWWW MUH TRIGGER BAWWWWWWW Y CAN'T I GO SAEF THE WURLD AGEN DEY COULD JUST RECOLOR LAVOS QQ

>>1385058

how can it be about serge

he doesn't even say anything

>>1384969
Escaflowne.

>>1385075
"Major mechanics"? You just go to different towns now here, then there. It's not a mechanic at all.

The rest of your post is very noteworthy, though. Trigger is an incomparably better game, so makes sense you simply can't stop screaming about it like a silly little faggot. But you really should stop.

wrong picture

>>1384794
>The music in Cross is great.
some of it is, some of it isn't
>The atmosphere in Cross is great.
decent, sure
great? no
>The battle system in Cross is great.
the battle system is awful
it's the same pointlessly easy combat you see in most JRPGs except now you have to hit a lot more buttons to snooze through it
see: xenogears, another Katostrophe
>The characters in Cross are (mostly) great.
no, they're a hodgepodge of dumb shit
the only ones that are even likable are the joke characters
>The plot is confusing as all fuck in parts, but overall is pretty good once it all comes about in the end of the game.
the plot is eye-rollingly bad if you're over the age of 16

>>1384895
Nothing in Cross is edgy.

The characters from Trigger died in Cross because in one of the infinite realities (which was a big fucking aspect of Trigger, if you ever played it) they failed to stop Lavos.

You throw out "childish" and "edgy" but neither actually make sense in context to the game. Just because the game mentions off hand that in one reality (the one most of the game is set in) the heroes from Trigger failed in stopping Lavos doesn't mean the game is a giant fan-fiction. It's literally less than a paragraph of dialog and suddenly because of that the entire rest of the game is edgy, trite and ridiculous?

How old are you? You seem like someone that just discovered these words and try to make a point by using them when they make no sense in the context of things.

Face it, as much as CC fans say people hate it because it's not CT, CT fans say they hate it and can only quantify why they hate it by bringing up how it isn't CT. In reality it's a great RPG. Great music, art style, atmosphere, battle system, characters, and an interesting story if you can understand what is actually going on.

>>1385068
Kato was still Trigger's head writer. Horii only contributed the initial story draft.

Also Kato was only a co-writer for Xenogears, most of the writing was done by Takahashi and Saga. To see what Kato contributed compare Xenogears to Xenosaga. I'll wait.

>>1385087
>>1385091
That was a nice effect, though. I still rememebr the moment I pushed the d-pad and Lynx ran instead of Serge.

>>1385089
>"Major mechanics"? You just go to different towns now here, then there. It's not a mechanic at all.

>X is not found in world 1
>X is found in world 2
>not a mechanic

meanwhile

>X is not found in time period 1
>X is found in time period 2
>OMG TOTAL VALID MECHANIC INTEGRAL TO THE GAME

Triggertards, gentlemen!

>>1385087
>>1385091
I see what you did there

>>1384976
What you got against Tail Concerto?

>>1385091
Why did someone transplant the head of a baby onto a grown man? This game is perverse.

OP here, I don't come to /vr/ that often so I had no idea that mentioning a Chrono game starts a huge flame war.

Grow up people, I love both games for different reasons and I love that they're so different, and so should you.

>>1385096
I never claimed it was an important mechanic in Trigger. You're just imagining things now. It's just an interesting gimmick: things on one JROG "continent" influence things on another one. It's only used for a few puzzles an an artistic effect in Trigger, and to save budget in Cross.

>>1385035
Seriously, people need to learn that artists draw what they get paid to draw, and the more things they can draw the more likely they'll get hired as an illustrator or character designer.

I bet he thinks that Takehito Harada is a shota-loving lolicon with a thing for huge tits.

>>1385107
Head transplants are a Chrono tradition

>frog head on small child body
>tranny head on shaved cavewoman body
>football on little girl body
>trilobite on barrel body
>girlhead on midget body
>Goku head on another midget body

No one ever talks about how great the NPC dialogue was in Chrono Cross. Every random villager or soldier walking around has some interesting bit of lore or philosophical rumination to share. Combined with the god-tier music and art, it really helped sell the feeling of getting lost in this beautiful, dreamlike, melancholy world.

>>1385141
>philosophical rumination
that's a nice euphemism for pseudointellectual blather

seriously if you're getting philosophy from a JRPG you need to go back to elementary school and just... start over from scratch.

>>1383559
>Will there ever be another game as all-around beautiful as Chrono Cross?
Yes, Legend of Mana

>>1385149
Oh, chill out ya hater. I'm a fucking philosophy student and I can still appreciate Chrono Cross's dreamy animu ponderousness for what it is.

Also uh, the plot actually does at least lightly touch on some moderately interesting philosophical issues in a roundabout way, e.g. the implications of multiple worlds theory (which I learned about from the game) on topics like determinism/free will, causality and identity.

>>1385160
Is it accurate to say that Legend of Mana is to Sword of Mana as Chrono Cross is to Chrono Trigger?

Also, help I can't figure out how LoM works and I'm stuck on the first dungeon

>>1385149
>the medium dictates the depth of the message

>>1385168
it has nothing to do with the medium and everything to do with the hacks that write for these games

>>1385167
Secret of Mana is Sword's sequel, so not really. LoM has nothing to do with them directly story-wise, AFAIK.

Well, LoM doesn't really have a story, it has a theme and explores its variations and facets. Also read up on some artifact placement guides on GameFAQs, or you'll regret it later.

>>1385167
>Is it accurate to say that Legend of Mana is to Sword of Mana as Chrono Cross is to Chrono Trigger?
Legend came before Sword
>help I can't figure out how LoM works and I'm stuck on the first dungeon
git gud

>>1385175
>>1385181
Yeah I meant Secret of Mana not Sword, whoops

>>1385174
Never played Xenosaga, eh?

>>1385192
> Xenosaga
Not sure this does anything to disprove the "written by hacks" assessment

>>1385192
bad animu in game form

>>1385185
Sword is a remake of the first secret of mana for gameboy. If there is a timeline at all, it's probably Dawn -> Children -> SD3 -> FFA/Sword -> SoM

LoM could take place way after, with the tree popping into existence without needing a seed.

>>1384524
*tips fedoeaaa*

>>1385196
Yup. Never played it.

>>1385203
The tree existed in LoM prior to the games beginning, it is turned into an artifact along with the other places

>>1384630
B-But Sergie-Poo~!

who was your team upon first completing the game guys?

>>1385212
WELL THEN I DON'T KNOW. Maybe after Children? Doesn't make much sense either, because the tree would've just used sproutlings as failsafes in the other games too. SoM seems to be the end, unless Randi has special "seeds".

>>1385239
Serge, Kid and Fargo, I'm a huge RPG thief

>>1385192

I did, played that fucker to completion, story was shit so I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove. Unless this is another "Its so deep and you just don't get it man" type posts.

I think what I love the most about this thread right now is how the tripfag has managed to present a good argument, without resorting to name calling or bringing Trigger, and the one that claims to hate it is the one flying off the deep end, usimg personal attacks and other /v/ approved buzzwording.

Seriously, fuck these arguments, I urge everyone to report the OP and get this shit thread off the board.

>>1385239

Karsh and Glenn.

>>1385269
>the tripfag has managed to present a good argument

Where exactly?

>>1385196

says you

there are quite a few, op. Chrono Cross is beautiful though

>>1385282
Xenosaga has the deepest lore

>>1385239
Kid and Steena.

>>1385239
Viper, Radius and Serge IIRC

>>1384125

have you seen Zelda Wind Waker? it is the same color blobbed texture copied and pasted literally thousands and thousands of times

>>1385160
i have never cleared this game
every time i get a few hours and stages in, and then things stop happening.
doesn't matter what i do, the quests just stop coming in.
Its always right after the plant runs away too.

>>1384645
i like both

>>1385336
I don't think it looks bad... it's a pretty efficient compromise if you know how games are made

>>1385263
My ninja
Sometimes Id throw Glenn in there too

>>1385428
>O
Nah man, it may be memory efficient but it looked really lame and lazily made.

The Game Cube could do (and did) much better.

All you faggots achieved was that I'm going to replay and enjoy both.

http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/chrono_cross_script_a.txt

This should be very useful for all the ADD kids who apparently skipped through all the dialog and now don't understand anything.

>>1386543
>External Link Disallowed

>>1386554
>http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/196917-chrono-cross/faqs
Scroll to full game script.

>>1386558
nobody is gonna read it man, stop trying to push that shitty game

>>1385336
Nope, there are different seas
But still what do you expect
It's a fucking sea game

Polite sage for not /vr/ and slightly off-topic

>>1386562
Butthurt Triggertard with ADD detected

>>1386554
When did htey disallow txt linking? Fucking faggots.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/196917-chrono-cross/faqs/37862

>>1386574

but that is literally the only variation: "wind" and "no wind"

that image is even blander, it's a solid single puke color with no detail at all

>>1386720
You can't seriously claim Wind Waker looks bad.

I hate the fucking game, but one thing it has is the visuals. Perhaps it the best-looking game I've ever known, even though it's boring, formulaic, stupidly whimsical and an overall further bastardization of the series.

In a word, saying that WW is technically unimpressive (as you ahve) is like saying that Daggerfall is tiny. It's just objectively wrong, period.

Trigger and Cross are both excellent games. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a case of terminal shit taste and should just kill themselves.

>>1384563
Xenogears was actually good though

>>1386892

This.

One of these days, I'm going to replay CC and then every other PSX RPG that I can remember. (Considering the vast amount, I'm probably looking at a few years of game time. ;_;)